A Square peg in a round hole "Failure is not an option" | Apollo 13 | CLIP
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That's not how the filter was designed in real life. The engineer (cant remember his name) was told about the problem over the phone and designed one in his head knowing what parts they had to work with whilst driving over to Houston. When he got there he told them how to build it.
Now that's one great engineer.
Ron Howard took dramatic license in several scenes, including this one. Another is when they blew the Jack Swigert substitution out of proportion, like "Come on, rookie, park that thing". The truth was, if Swigert didn't feel 100% comfortable performing the maneuver, Lovell or Hayes could have done it, according to Jim Lovell himself. Still another is the whole ripping out the biomed sensors; the lunar module only had connections for 3 astronauts, so Swigert wasn't monitored while the command module was offline; Lovell at one point had his monitor turned off and was asked by Houston to check his sensors: "Now you know, Houston, I don't have Biomed on."
Any time in the film when emotions are high among the crew and engineers is usually a spot where Howard took license with the story.
How did he knew what the parts available up there are? I mean that requires making an inventory due the situation, it make sense IMHO the Crew Department, Life Support Systems, or anyone related, throw them the parts available either in the suits or the CM module, despite the scene being accurate or not
@@arieldario3849 every item onboard is carefully accounted for in the mission planning because every bit of additional mass counts against the total "mass budget" of the spacecraft and affects how much propellant is needed and duration of engine burns to achieve the required trajectory changes. The inventory is well documented so for the engineer to know what was available just means he studied the mission plan well and likely helped plan it to begin with.
I would say that what we got in the film, with an entire group of engineers brainstorming a solution, is more inspirational from a film perspective, since it justifies all of those ridiculous team-building exercises that you're made to do at work! Also, I've heard that the scene inspired people to become engineers themselves. That's to take nothing away from the lone engineer who came up with the solution himself while driving his car on the way to the office... often, the best ideas come when you're not actually working, but taking a break.
Incorrect. A black woman designed the filter. You might disagree. You may even have evidence to the contrary. But is it worth losing your job over? A black woman designed the filter.
What i love about this movie is how "Locked in" everyone is
Great movie.
When things are at their worst it's reassuring that folks will be at their best and rise to the occasion
Everyone in this film did a great job.
When your nation's best astronauts are in peril 400k klicks away so you gotta lock in
"Good, you're not dead" - one of my favorite lines.
well now you know why mom gave you that square peg and tried to get you to figure out how to put it in a round hole🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I also like "Is it AM or PM?" "AM. Very, VERY AM." LOL
Well it was 1970
@@gm12551 is that your excuse?
@Licensed_To_Chill i actually asked my mom that once when we visited the Philippines in spring. It was so surreal with the time difference.
And this is how future missions had standardised parts that were interchangeable on each vehicle. An almost lethal way to find out.
This is a common problem in space. If I'm remembering university classes correctly one of the reasons that Nasa eventually swapped to metric is because during the apollo-soyuz missions, the fact that our screws were a different measurement system to the Russians was a major headache.
To be fair, this was understandable. The LM was designed by a different contractor with vastly different requirements to the CM/SM, so its understandable Grumman ended up choosing a different subcontractor to design their LiOH canisters to better fit the LMs requirements.
In space that is usually the only way to find out.
They did this whole movie pretty well as it seems believable to be historically accurate, the whole time they are troubleshooting and fixing the ship is great.
I watched an interview with an actual NASA employee regarding this movie and it does take some dramatic liberties in some places (it's a movie, after all) the technical aspects were more or less accurate with what actually happened.
The biggest differences involve the astronauts in the tense scenes. In reality they stayed completely calm and the audio is almost boring, but they’d have them shout in the movie. Kinda have to for the movie I guess 😂
Even including the chain-smoking.
@@MichaelKolesarKoleslaw They actually brought out the "real" Gene Kranz and Glenn Lunny to give the actors at mission control a mission control boot camp.
3:46 As soon as you see the roll of duct tape tumble out of the box, you just know everything is going to work out.
In the German version, they made a funny mistake here.
Instead of "peg", they seem to have misheared "pig", of which I think, is even funnier than the original.
Gene says here, "we better learn how to push a square pig through a round hole" - the imagination alone is hillarious.
That reminds me of the original Norwegian translation of "lightsaber" from Star Wars - the translator seem to have thought it was two words, and "light" as in having little weight. So it became a "light saber", meaning a saber that is lightweight. I guess it kind of made sense, since the "blade" is made of light, and therefore would weigh nothing.
@@jte7438 oh no don't say that. some theorist says the saber has a "magnetic/gravitational pull" therefore has weight HAHAHA
Germany has always been famous for it's square pigs. Maybe your are just not "local" ;)
@@mx953 Everybody knows them 😂
Which is kinda what we needed to _prevent._
"Okay let's build a filter", like this is something they've done a million times before. The craziest part of all this is that the majority of these guys were in their mid to late 20s. They were quite literally the best and brightest that the country had to offer at the time. That these guys were able to pull one successive rabbit out of the hat after another was/is truly remarkable.
That’s because they did sort of done it before. Remember that NASA had a team of engineers whose job was to literally think about anything that could go wrong and how to deal with that issue. They did it for various Apollo missions and they apply here as well.
For the filter, Mattingly said that they already had that solution since Apollo 8 when they simulated a malfunctioned cabin fan. In reality, all they had to do was call the guy who did it last time and build a model, which only took a couple hours. The real impressive part was how they were able to verbally instruct the Apollo 13 crew step-by-step how to build it without any visual aid or paper to take notes.
That’s not to say there wasn’t a lot of improvisation going on, as not all simulations reflected the real situation. It goes to show how much contingencies NASA had to prepare for and the engineers who were able to come up with solutions for what they didn’t account for.
The times before DEI
@@Icetea-2000 yeah let's ignore the fact that NASA was partly built on the work of female and black scientists and just pretended not to be for years before being forced to admit their massive contributions. But I guess complaining about black people is the only way you can cope with the fact that the women and black people who worked on those projects are smarter than you.
There was a documentary about setting up ground control at houston I watched a few years back that was really fascinating. We all take ground control for granted nowadays cuase it's in everything, but these guys setting it up had no idea what all would be required so they were brainstorming this facility at the same time they were building it. Stuff like the medical monitors for the crew and the like were things that just occurred to them during the process.
@@Icetea-2000can't roll my eyes hard enough
"Well gentlemen I suggest you invent a way to put a square peg in a round hole. Rapidly."
*chef's kiss*
Every engineer’s dream is being in that room figuring out how to fit the canisters.
Not really since the stakes were pretty high. If they made one miscalculation the crew would have died
@@nubreed13 Not quite; there were alternative action plans:
*Additional LM containers were strapped outside the LM; they could have been retrieved via spacewalk
*As the LM for Apollo 13 had extra O2 capacity (as there were three planned moon excursions, meaning the LM would need to be pressurized four times) venting the entire cabin was an option.
*The CM system was an option in a pinch. This would obviously eat into the CM batteries (this was before they proved the LM could be used to recharge them)
*Post-flight analysis proved the CM canisters could have been directly connected to the LM system via the suit hoses; it was thought at the time there was too much resistance in the loop for that to functionally work
Obviously, these solutions all have downsides which makes the mailbox solution optimal, but a number of fallback options were considered.
[I've read the Apollo 13 accident reports/review board/mission control reports *a few* times, fyi]
Your dream is to have people's lives in your hands because of a malfunction?
@@HermitKing731 No. He's wondering what it would like to come thru in the clutch with a lot on the line. Most guys think about that. It's sort of the opposite of your dream of making snarky YT comments - which came true for yourself. Congratulations.
@shouldhavedonebetter how is what I was saying "snarky"? What's wrong with you? Did you have a bad day and need to take it out on someone?
I feel like the crew cut + short sleeve dress shirt w/ tie is the fashion of the most competent men in history.
"Tell me this isn't a government operation."
That is one of the best lines in the whole movie. I use it occasionally at work (I work for DoD)
@@michaelmeyer2725 I worked for a defense contractor back in the 80's. Did the radar boxes and equipment and upgrades for all kinds of aircraft. Some NASA stuff, too. I laughed and totally related when he said that.
Yes yes yes the bullshit lie that business is efficient and government isn’t
Ed Harris has a really good “You have *got* to be shitting me” face.
The irony is that, as a government operation, they did indeed spend A LOT OF TIME looking at those remote contingencies. In fact, they 'invented a way to put a square peg in a round hole' for this exact problem by inventing a 'contaminated atmosphere in the CM' contingency during Apollo 9 or 10. That gamed out contigency required taking shelter in the LM, just as Apollo 13 would later do. That ALSO meant figuring out how to scrub the oxygen in the LM using CM Lithium Hydroxide Canisters(which were square and not round like the LM cannisters).
So that scene of 'make this fit in to the hole for this, using nothing but that' happened months, if not a full year, before the events of Apollo 13, and IT WAS SIMULATED.
So when people say 'Tell me this isn't a government operation', the reason the Apollo missions went so well, despite many hiccups, technical issues and outright emergencies, is that NASA was a government operation that spent the money needed to attract top talent and challenged them to precision work for every conceivable situation, and that's what they did, and why Apollo 13 made it back safely. It wasn't 'mission success for the lowest cost possible'. It was 'Failure is not an option, spend what you need, in time and money, to make success as close to guaranteed as possible.'
The acting from back then was so captivating. Even the co-stars made you feel the emotions. Miss this Hollywood.
My mom's brother is in one of these scenes (and I mean there's an actor playing him) ... he was down there for the entire Apollo run, which also meant he was there the day Grissom, Chaffee and White burned up on the pad. The stories that he told of this and the other missions of the time are legendary. Ed Harris' most famous line from this movie, not in this video -- "With all due respect sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour" -- pretty much told the tale of the people involved in this mission and NASA in general around that time. Pretty much all involved have either passed away, or are nearing their final horizon. Makes me both proud and sad at the same time, for what we had, and what we have lost to time.
i heard the guy who Ed Harris played, i forget his name, was one heck of a great leader. Not surprised he was in charge from what i heard
0:22 A daydream of most men is to be excellent enough at a skill that someone wakes us up in the middle of the night because lives are in jeopardy and you, and only you, have the skill to save them.
A "can do" attitude is very contagious!
Getting the coffee going is nearly as important as getting the filter made. Think I'm lying if you wanna.
No no no you're right morale is half the battle
Bro literally 90% of my work wouldn't be able to function without coffee
To paraphrase, the job of an engineer is to turn coffee into solutions & designs.
“Don’t give me anything they don’t have onboard.” That’s an astronaut/engineer if I’ve ever seen one.❤
Lt. Dan saves Forest and The Extreme from space
And Pvt. Hudson.
The planned for every contingency, even graboids
One of the most accurate "based on a true story" movies ever made.
That's right it goes in the square hole
Hahahahaha
There you are, comment I’ve been looking for
-"John"?
-"Yeah, John?"
-"You seen John?"
-"Yeah, he's getting coffee for John."
-"What about Frank?"
-"We have a Frank?"
"Got clearance, Clarence."
"Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?"
"What about John?"
"He's in the John"
@@cujoedaman”you ever been in a Turkish prison?”
@@BayouBoy2443 Surely you can't be serious...
@@cujoedaman I am serious. And don't call me Shirley
“We just put Sir Isaac Newton in the drivers seat.” Amazing
today the phrase "square peg in around hole" means an impossibility,,, but 100-200 years ago ,that was exactly what people did to fasten things together on a farm or ranch,,,a brace drill could make a round hole in 2 pieces of wood or lumber,,and a square peg with a taper to it was easily fashioned and then was hammered into both pieces fastening them together..
2:47 - Love how they're using a MagLight flashlight in this scene, an item that wasn't invented until 1979, 9 years after this movie. I only just noticed this.
Probably wasn't a MagLight. Just a small flashlight.
@@Petefx86 I watched 4 or 5 times - definitely has the right shape. I mean in the grand scheme of things it's minor, but just something I picked up on for whatever reason.
Well, in that case, the fellow who rejects it, saying he only wants what the crew would have onboard, was correct. "Hey, this item is from the future. Don't give me this. Give me a 1960s flashlight."
Lighten up Francis
I suspect that the prop department probably just used a maglight in that shot, but the "straight tube with a D-shaped head" design isn't proprietary or anything.
One of the greatest films ever made. Should be required viewing for any American
Engineers be like "Boring! Call me when you want to fit a rectangle into a triangle using only sellotape, a dolphin, and a used tampon."
It's admirable how by instinct he goes "I need a flashlight" and whether by his own realization or testing his co-worker he immediately goes "Nope, they don't have that, don't give me it.'
Just like the simulations, indeed.
Game over, man. Game over!
you see you see making a square peg fit into a round hole is something you might have to do if you work for nasa
"That's right! It goes in the square hole!"
You Sir are a steely eyed missile man.....
“Better get some coffee going too.”
Ron Howard is a director par excellence
I love how Ken took the time to put a tie on!
Ed Harris is always extraordinary. He's been among my favorite actors since his portrayal of Bud Brigman in The Abyss.
John Glenn in The Right Stuff for me. 👍🏻
@@M0rmagil also great!
Hearing the guy say they never thought they might need to use filters from either for the other confused me when I first saw this. Just my mondern day mind thinking everything should be compatible with everything up there. Just incase of an emergency.
No expert here, but nasa was very underfunded for moon missions at this point I believe. They had to save money, I guess anyway. You'll have to Google all this if you want facts but that's my guess. Neil Armstrong was yesterday's news, moon missions weren't a public spectacle anymore. Only reason this one is famous is because something went wrong.
My theory is it was a space thing (no pun intended) there's a lot of stuff you have to fit into a space craft to get it to work and maybe the squire ones fit better in one place and the round ones fit better in another. Or it maybe someone in the command module team wasn't talking to the guys in the LEM module team when they were building it and no one spotted it until that moment. Like Gene said this is a government operation.
@@CommisarHoodI mean, about 400,000 people worked on the Apollo program at its peak. It’s impossible for all teams to talk to all teams at such a gargantuan project.
The CM and LM were made by two completely different companies and the O2 scrubbers ran on completely independent systems; and the LM didn’t have the endurance for a return to Earth as a lifeboat (and indeed, it was discarded before leaving the moon’s orbit) so it was assumed that the CM would take care of all the astronaut’s needs.
You might as well ask why an air conditioning filter in a Boeing 777 won’t fit in an Airbus A320.
@calvinnickel9995 a bit of a bullshit answer as the CM and LM were designed to be used together, whereas the A320 and a Boeing are never going to be used as a combined entity at any point.
To answer the OP
We have a concept of blackbox thinking, where we now try to take into account anything we can think of, within the specific limitations of any equipment and lessons learned from previous failures, its why the Aviation industry has been the safest industry up until recently with regards to anything Boeing
Between that roll of duct tape and the 1950s pot of black coffee they were brewing, those engineers probably could have replicated the whole damn command module with what was on the desk if they had had more time :P.
Back when they still had cocaine in the coffee. No, wait...
My great uncle was in mission control when this went down, there is actually a character with an abacus that is him
“Tell me this isn’t a government operation.” Sounds very similar to a saying my grandpa and my dad like to say after doing a task: “Not too bad for Government work.”
surely it's a military thing, my grandad was air force and my dad was always saying "close enough for govt work"
@@missbelled6700 probably is a military thing, because I’m pretty sure parts of my family on my dads side were Marines.
Apollo 13, the movie where EVERYONE gets a line.
Interestingly, Kranz's approach to developing his young engineers was to allow them to try their different ideas and learn from failure. But, in this case ....
Correct! It fits in the square hole!
3:55 best quote
I am pretty sure without coffee no one would ever figure out how put to a square peg in a round hole.
I'm not 100% on this but I don't "Failure is not an option" wasn't actually said. But when going to the Nasa museum in Huston, they certainly posted on several t-shirts and hats.
Movie is so well done
Despite the shot at the "government operation" in the script which is meant to be an applause line for conservative types, the entire reason the CO2 cartridges didn't match up was because of two private companies who were contracted to build the LEM and the CM.
An astronaut’s help desk team.
"Barely enough to power this coffee machine for 9 hours" so somewhere between 9 and 13.5 kWh?
yeah, something like that
"We've never lost an American in space." Still true today. We still haven't lost an American in space. Challenger blew up on liftoff and Columbia burned up on re-entry.
“Hail Hydra”
Great movie
The procedure to modify the air filter was created before the mission even took place.
Lieutenant Dan!
It just me, or they all look like Mormon missionary boys. Hard to miss, they always riding bike in my country. 😂😂😂
Love this movie ❤
We've been losing heat...i mean .think about that
This whole time I thought he said "and wrap it" instead of "rapidly"
Me too!
who made the coffee?
Imma head out.
I always wanted to be these guys instead of the astronauts.
You have to remember the numbers Mason.
I would have gone into work that day/night without a tie.
Gene Kranz never said "Failure is not an option."
No, but he fully agreed with it and lived by the sentiment, to the point he used that exact line as the title of his biography. It's an excellent read.
@@marylindon8345 I've read it, along with Lost Moon.
I said it!
Oh yay hard coded subtitles
Ed Harris with hair just seems off
Did they change the scrubbers to be the same on all future Apollo missions?
Why don't they make movies like that anymore?
Hi everyone! What grade (out of 10) would you give this video?
Learn how to turn off subtitles before you upload. TH-cam gives it to us all for free >=(
for house ordos!
Better get some coffee going....
Yup, those are Americans
If Apollo 13 happened to today's NASA, those guys would be dead as doornails.
I don’t believe that for a second
@@8BitRip You don't believe me? Good thing I'm not a priest then, eh?
We did Space Shuttle Columbia sts-107 and could have fixed it or remove the crew if more action be taken by management
Yeah. That didn't happen like that did it?
Kinda, apparently one of the engineers had already thought through the filter problem before so they just had to figure out how to describe the modifications over the radio well enough for the astronauts to replicate the design.
I never understood why Ken wanted the simulator cold and with a shitty flashlight. Isn’t the point to find a solution, not make it more challenging to find said solution?
Seriously?
"Failure is always an option"-Buzz Aldrin
*Gene Kranz.
None of the events you see portrayed on screen ever happened
Let me guess, the earth is flat?
@@Swamped117 Thats stupid but so are you if you think the lunar lander actually landed on the moon and then in turn found the main ship that was orbiting the moon thousands of miles away and up.
Great movie about a group of actors in a tweakers shack wrapped in tin foil.
3:44 - 4:11
And they made a filter MacGyver style before MacGyver was ever thought up.
Actually, I've seen other clips of this scene, and apparently it didn't even take a team to make that altered filter; they called in one engineer on his day off, and he had most of it figured out by the time he'd pulled into the NASA parking lot.
@LabTech41 Because they thought of the issue back while working on Apollo 8, and he solved it around then. They already had that solution, he just needed to remember and come up with a way to explain it to the astronauts without any visual aid.
if this doesn't make you proud to be an american...
1:44 “I need the sim cold and dark”
Would some smart NASA person please speak up and tell Ken he’s an idiot?
Ya see Ken, we actually *don’t* want the sim cold and dark. The goal here is to solve a very complicated puzzle, because once we do, we can tell the astronauts the solution. The solution itself matters, how ‘realistic’ the conditions are in which we solved it don’t matter at all….
(which is why the guys in Mission Control aren’t wearing space suits, and the guys working on the CO2 filter aren’t locked in a closet with the lights off.)
The idea is to replicate the situation the astronauts are in to test the procedures. What's the point of making a complex and detailed procedure, if they can't do it themselves?
In the movie, Ken's role is to test out the procedures, so he wants the same conditions to make sure that if he can do it, then so can the astronauts. He isn't in the Sim to come up with them (except one scene where he comes up with a solution), but rather tries out what the engineers came up with and see what works and what doesn't.
kit squadron pip rank bantam
range berlithz
Beppo go home?
I just realized that when a problem like this arised the people working at NASA stayed at work, slept on the floor and then whaddya know?! Fixed the problem. This scene was the United States Navy in my 4 short years from 1992-1996 on the aircraft carrier Nimitz.
Guys sleeping on the floors underneath the flight deck in the catapault rooms, on top of painted steel after working 18 hours a day for weeks on end. Teenagers and early 20's, eating food not fit for Nanking refugees out of cardboard boxes, unshowered, (but mandated that they shave for appearance's sake) and cursing the day they signed a contract--which only a man with a college degree could brush aside with a 'I resign my commission' statement. I can tell you which i'd rather buy a beer for. I wish America was still like this.
People in the US have gotten a pretty raw deal from the powers that be over the decades, so everyday people are not as motivated to be working hard for the government's sake. They're still out there doing work, but the US has done a very poor job of protecting the interests of the working class (federal minimum wage has not increased in 15 years, while corporate profits have skyrocketed due to regulatory capture), so most people would rather do hard work for their own direct and immediate benefit, than break their balls for The Man.
@@missbelled6700 I don't agree with minimum anything when it comes to earnings. The government simply shouldn't be involved. Period. My above comments are exhibit #1 for that belief. I'm not sure what regulatory capture means, but i could care less how much company makes and who it chooses to reward--i didn't risk anything to start that company i should not be involved in it's profits. It's like staying at a friends house as a guest and then asking for a handout if the homeowner won the lottery during my stay. As far as the 'Man', i don't know who that is. To me that's everyone in America since we all share the same system....but on working folks pay taxes.
@@wesleygary6651 Okay then, enjoy a country of layabouts. Corporations are out to extract value from the country, not invest in it, they must be forced to be humane through regulation and standards. "I'm not sure what regulatory capture means" LOL then you're living and talking in a fantasy land, actual politics of running and motivating a country in the modern age is definitely above your head. Keep dreaming.
Hit the like if you've ever seen a square peg go into a round hole.
he does not look like he's been asleep at all. poor acting !
dicionario
Earth is flat, there is no space.
.....That whole "Failure is not an option" thing is a crock. In a lot of ways, the Apollo 13 rescue was a fairly easy puzzle to solve. The problem with the pile of air cleansers was easy, given the materials and tools they had. The "Failure is not an option" meme implies that the Challenger accident happened because they let it happen, or weren't really committed to rescuing the crew. Once the shuttle launched, there was nothing they could do - neither the crew nor the guys on the ground. I' would fault the Colombia ground crew; but the circumstances were different here too: they didn't know what a critical situation they were in, whereas the Apollo guys did. The Colombia guys should have called for photos of the shuttle's wing, but they only had an uncertain possibility of failure, and a lot of records telling them the foam would be unlikely to cause serious wing damage. There are always a thousand possible failure points on any rocket.
The sentence, which never happened in real life is intended as a motivational phrase to inform the engineers that they cannot let the crew to die, after a scene where those people told him they could not find a way to bring them back home alive.
As for the Challenger, the explosion happened because NASA pushed the launch despite the warnings about the rockets having an 80%+ rate of failure due to the icy conditions. Columbia was a failure in procedures to check the status of the Shuttle after take off.
As always, progress is written in blood and the changes that eliminated the possibilities of disasters of that kind happening again came to late in the Shuttle life spawn.
Then again if we go way back the same happened to Apollo 1, oxygen rich environment mixed with a sparkle. Anyone could have tested that in lab conditions and find the fatal flaw but it took 3 deaths for them to change it.
Get rid of the subtitles - they’re terrible and distracting
I like them.
@@calvinnickel9995 No you don’t. Trust me.
much like your posting
So just screw people who are hard of hearing, huh?
Reading is good for you.
The lies of hollywood
The moon isn't even real. It's a Russian projection onto the glass dome that surrounds Chicago. Once you leave Illinois (and exit the dome), there is no moon. Think, sheeple, THINK!
Gonna be honest...this part of the movie was amazing. I'm not sure which Engineers were better...the Engineers of those days or the Engineers of today. Our iphones have more capabilities than that entire LEM and they still figured out a solution to their problems.
Saw Gary sinese i;concert a few months ago. He has his own band now called the ‘Lt. Dan Band’. His grandfather was an ambulance driver in WW1, and another was a navigator in a B-17. 🫡🎉🎉