Perfect review mate. Dell should change this laptop design from stone ages to improve the cooling. Selling us same old throttling laptop at such a hefty price is just not fair.
I managed to keep the GPU at 1700Mhz even after an hour of Watch Dogs 2. Running that frequency at 0.8V and disabling turbo boost is what works best for me. In more CPU-biased games, I would change that of course. But by far most games want more GPU from this XPS 15. The other option was GPU at 0.7V, where I managed 1440Mhz stable and didn't disable turbo boost. But even then the GPU would downclock sometimes to 1320Mhz or so. Running on -125 core/cache as any more would be unstable. Disabling turbo boost: -1fps, undervolt/OC GPU: +3/4fps from 40fps baseline
Hi Jarrod. I have the same xps laptop that you have. And the thermal throttling issue is what brought me here. Playing valorant or FIFA 19 in it is not that bad. Except for those times when for 5 to 7 secs there would be a huge fps drop and than it gets back to normal. However the temperature is concerning since it might reduce my battery life. So i decided to get a cooling pad. Since the fans below intake air from outside, i am thinking of getting a cooling pad that gives out air from the above. Just wanted to take some advice regarding this. And also some recommendation would be great. Also would it be good to undervolt the laptop to prevent those frequent fps drops? Thanks. Great video btw.
Thank you for the video, this reminded me of my situation. I have dell xps 15 with i7-8750H and gtx 1050 ti. Gaming on this machine is a nightmare. The GPU thermal throttles at 75 celsius and the whole system is plagued with power limit throttling regardless of how I undervolt or underclock things. Tragic, to be honest. At least there is a fix to power limit throttling, albeit a very clumsy one. The GPU throttling at 75 seems like an impossible thing to fix though.
Would you share how you dealt with the power limit throttling? I have the same laptop( 9570) and playing cpu intensive games such as BF1 is horrible experience with stuttets and temperatures all over the place.
@@INsPiRoN1104 Every time you start windows, open device manager and delete everything related to intel dynamic platform and thermal management: general and processor participants and the manager.
No, it costs over $3000 in my country for the cheapest model and the channel is too small for Apple to care about so no way of borrowing a review unit.
My XPS 15 7590 with the i5-9300h has none of the issue you mentioned let alone the fact it stays cooler at 75-90 degrees during a cinebench run at 4.0ghz.
hi, so i just bought the new dell xps 15 (same as vid but different specs) with i7 core and 16GB ram, and only full HD display. Would u say its worth overclocking, undervolting? i am noob at this stuff so ya.
Yeah undervolting the CPU can help you get some extra performance out of it when under heavy multicore load. Here's a guide on how to do it: th-cam.com/video/yNt9L3BWOFo/w-d-xo.html
@@2009Windows7 That's a monster undervolt. What CPU are you running?.. From my testing, you can undervolt, but the power limit throttling will still kick in after a few seconds/minutes.
I have seen a lot of other temp results of XPS 15 7590 on load and it looks like you might have a unit with quality control issues. I have mostly seen this model hit around 90-95C (with no undervolt) at 3.5-3.9Ghz instead of you hitting 100C at 3.5Ghz. Maybe the heatsink wasn't mounted properly or it has a bad thermal paste application. At this state even the MSI Prestige 15 performs better than the XPS 15. Anyway, great video as usual Jarrod.
Dell also includes additional VAR heatsinks but they only put them on the i9 systems stating they do not believe they are required on the other systems. Why not put them on the entire lineup??
Is there a thermal issue with gracphic card? If not i would go for it. I was testing the 9570 and 7590 the fan worked like crazy, very noisy and hot while open game. I know it’s not a laptop for game but just a very light game that’s ridiculous. I would like to know if the xps 15 is fine without graphic card
I'll discuss the issues in the review video next week, but basically it uses PWM to adjust brightness so possible eye strain, it's glossy so reflections can be distracting, and burn in is possible long term, however all of these are "maybe" issues. It looks very good, bright, and good colours and contrast otherwise.
Because it's still hitting the same throttle limit, however the clock speed is higher with the undervolt. Undervolting may not always remove all causes of throttling, but it will still boost performance if throttling is taking place.
I would love to see Dell starts using AMD upcoming 7nm cpu-s, the temperatures would be cooler and just imagine when ssd batteries start to be widely used... the future will be a lot interesting, i love your videos :)
Do you (or anybody reading this) recommend the surface book 2 (i7, 16gb, GTX 1050) Over the XPS 7590 (i7, 16gb, GTX 1650)? Consider that I'm able to get the SB 2 at $1200, brand new. And the XPS 15 at $1500, also brand new. I will be using this for engineering stuff like CAD, FEA ( solidworks), ansys .... I know something like thinkpad P series, with Quadro would be better for me, but my budget doesn't exceed $1500
Not really, it's pretty expensive for me to buy and they don't want to lend me one, I guess the channel isn't big enough for them to care yet so I get ignored 😛
Hey Man! I just bought a Dell g7 7790 with i7 9750H and a RTX2060.. No matter what I do it gets to 100°C on stress test and pretty much go up to 80-85°C out of nowhere. Do you think I should replace it?
I had the same system but with an RTX 2080 and had the same concerns. I liked the system design but performance was subpar for an RTX 2080 and the results were more aligned with an RTX2060 so I returned it.
@@petersonfamily6223 well I got my setup for around $1000.. I can't get anything a like for that price where I live.. this setup is around $1700 here in Mexico and anything alike is around that or more
@@cristobalaquino9946 Great price. I am in the same boat I have $1000 + of Dell Rewards to use before they expire and every system I have gotten from Dell has had issues. I had high hopes for G7 and loved the Keypad and ports on the back design but paying almost $800 more for an RTX 2080 to get RTX 2060 performance was unacceptable. Still checking out systems at Dell and Good luck with yours.
The Dell G series is just hot, I got similar in my G5 and G7 review, think G7 was a little lower though. Have you tried undervolting? Basically they give it high power limits so it performs better but this comes at the expense of higher temperatures.
I'd pay more for the Aero, so easy choice for me. Higher power GPU, CPU will run at a higher power limit so better performance, bigger battery, otherwise similar feature set (OLED option/SD slot/Thunderbolt).
How's the i9 with the 1650 do compared to let's say the aero? Trying to see if the 2080 or even 2070 helps with performance I do a lot of color grading and drone footage so not sure if the 1650 would hold me back
I haven't had the XPS with i9 to test, but I speculate in this video that it probably wouldn't go too well given the i7 can't really be fully utilized. I'd expect the i9 in the Aero to do much better. Not sure what software you're using, maybe if something like Resolve the GPU would matter more, but for Premiere it hardly changes much and mainly affects the export phase.
@@JarrodsTech that's what I was thinking! Yeah tough call for me because I'm trying to see what's good for my needs. I do a lot of speed ramps. Warp stabilizer. Color grading. Rarely do I use after effects but I do want to do that in the future.. Looking at the msi p65 with the i9-9980h 1tb (it's two 512ssd) and either the 2070 or 2080. Or just get a razor. Or fxk it Macbook 16 with the highest GPU and the i9 😅
@@Marlonorellana HEY Marlon . I was planning to get an XPS and my requirements are similar to yours. Which one did you go with? Any suggestion from your side would be great. Thanks.
The conclusion of the full review, is basically no, when there are other options that perform better and offer the same features - eg Eluktronics MAG-15 or Gigabyte Aero 15.
In quiet and cool mode , cpu is thermal throttling or power limited. Even its in ultra mode, the clock speed never hits 3.8-3.9 Ghz which has similar performace with macbook pro 16. It shows thin laptops such mbp or xps cant express all the potential of a great cpu
Would the i5 variant with the 1650 fare better? Ive read in an older review with the 8300h, is that the cooling system has no issues with the i5. Please answer.
the cooling system doesn't have any issues here the problem is that Dell limit the power too harshly so that the six core CPU can't perform. this could be less of an issue with the quad core version because the same power limit will be available to less cores.
Too bad I didn’t see this review before buying it!!! 😱😱 Will continue testing mine. Its fans go crazy only by opening the internet an having some websites opened at the same time 😓😓
Jarrod please do check out the lenovo ypga s740 14 , i cannot find a good review of it anywhere and judging by the specs it looks really good. A review or an overview woul be greatly appreciated
Lenovo are very difficult for me to get review units from, so don't count on it, but I have already asked for it and the 540 (managed to get the 340 somehow).
Do a fresh install of windows 10 pro to remove all bloatware, only install the drivers, dell cinema and max audio stuff and I noticed my Inspiron 15 7590 run a lot cooler, I also changed the nvidia 3D settings to run instead of cpu and have noticed a smoother UI at cooler temps
I don't think that would greatly affect my results as those weren't actively hitting it with load compared to my stress tests, but either way I want to test in the out of the box config that most people would use.
Jarrod'sTech I noticed the laptop didn’t run as hot, maybe you could try it and let me know what u think, I’m not that into testing etc but I watched your video as I’ve recently purchased a laptop after 10 years 😂
I've been looking at this for 1080p (occasional 4K) video editing/after effects, would it still be a good buy? I don't plan on gaming much, maybe Overwatch or CSGO.
I don't think so, I mean it will work ok, but for this money you can get an Aero 15/Mag-15 which will do the job better - this is basically my conclusion for the XPS 15 review which is scheduled for Monday.
I don't know if you are still interested but anyways, I bought this pc half an year ago and use it everyday a lot of hours for heavy graphic design, 3d design, premiere and after effects and it really has beast performances, i never had a single second of lag since i bought it. As long as you need a laptop to use as a workstation this is for sure one of the best choices, it really has unbelievable performances for a laptop trust me.
@@lucabedetti5716 I am so glad i found your comment. this is what I wanted tot know. Im not using this for gaming but for what you are talking about. any recommendations on how best to use this?
Hi Jarrod, I have a question on my 7590, very similar to yours aside from the RAM and SSD. I have a -125mv undervolt on core and cache. Have the GPU running at 0.8V at 1680MHz. Disabled turbo boost (so now 2.6Ghz) in my Throttlestop Game profile to give GPU some headroom. CPU / GPU temps are 76 / 68 after prolonged Watch Dogs 2. However, there is a new problem. The CPU throttles for no apparent reason, see screenshot. What could be causing this? CPU and GPU temps are nowhere near throttle temps... The CPU is at 20W and less than 80C before it decides to throttle down from 2.6 to 2Ghz and +-15W. Running the GPU at 0.7V at 1440MHz makes the CPU throttle less, but it still does sometimes. Thanks so much for your help... Screenshot: ibb.co/g3Nj2fn
Looks like the CPU is running at 15W, that's what I mentioned in the video happened to mine too. After a few mins it dropped down from 30 and settled at 15w, which is honestly quite low and weak for an i7 CPU, even when the temps are fine the Dell BIOS seems to just prefer this to keep it running cool so that the fans don't have to spin up, rather than making it louder they seem to preference making it perform worse, which is one of the reasons I don't recommend it in my full review video (coming out next week with more details).
@@JarrodsTech Yes I did see that 15W preference in your video. Yesterday I noticed it didn't throttle down and stayed at 2.6Ghz, +- 18W, even after an hour of Watch Dogs 2. So it depends on the BIOS' mood of the particular day apparently ;) So, for me, it works well for prolonged gaming... thinking of doing a repaste as well. And I am running the optimized fan profile, not even ultra performance.
olivierhacking when it throttles to 15, try removing your Undervolt and/or removing turbo limit and see if it changes the profile. I’ve found what works best is to lower the clock speeds to 3 ish rather than disabling turbo boost.
Hi, plz help me in cooling my dell G5 5587 on ultra performane(i7 8750h)....undervolting helps to reduce temps to 90 degress Celsius...(my room temp is 25 degrees)
You might want to try to under bolt your gpu most the time the CPU share heat pipes I use msi after burner look up a video on it. If that dose not bring down the temps enough you could down load Intel extreme tuneing utility and limit the power to 35 or 25 watts. Last resort would be to take it apart and put new thermal paste or liquid metal on it.
@@muk6597 I think it will help but it depend on the laptop some its 3c and some 11c but you could have bad thermal transfer from the CPU to the heat sink then a cooling pad would do very little around 1 to 2 celcius. if you can find one cheap you could try it out see how much it helps. The i7 8750h run very hot in most laptops because it's hard to take a lot of heat away from such a small space. The gpu uses more power but it has better thermal transfer because it has more contact with the heat sink. If a cooling pad dose not work as much as you would want there is not a lot you can do. Takeing apart a laptop is very risky if you dont know what you are doing. Could always try the ixtu(Intel extreme tuneing utility) and limit the watts not as good performance but will make your laptop last longer. Good luck with what ever you try :)
If you've already undervolted CPU and GPU, next steps are using a stand/cooling pad, lowering ambient room temp (eg airconditioning), cleaning out dust, or changing thermal paste, that's about all you can do.
Unfortunately HP don't send me review units and they cost too much in my country for me to buy just to review, sorry. I've tried everything to make this happen. I've sent countless emails to every address I can find, made phone calls, even met with their staff at various events and exchanged business cards but nothing has come of it, so I can only assume they're not interested.
I only have a Y540 with 1660 Ti so it doesn't make much sense to make a dedicated comparison video, I've tested many of the same games on my Y540 in this video though so you could just compare the results: th-cam.com/video/KqoyLLXaRMc/w-d-xo.html I probably won't be able to get my hands on a 1650 Y540.
I have the precision 5530 and it s just the same device of xps. Everything is same exept the cpu. Mine one has a zeon processor and I tried every poisbble way to keep it under 80 degrees and no way. if you want booth performans and the no fan noise. İt is imposible. When you disable hyper trheading or turbo boast, it s then becoming a normal laptop can not even play 4k 60hz video without fan noise again. Even there would be lag or freeze on the video when it is fullscreen. So I ask to myself, If I need to make it slower not to make it go extreemly hot, why did not I buy a regular half a price laptop. I know you are telling me that this much amount of problem need formatting and clean fresh installing. but no. Still my device is getting hot like an oven. Somethimes I can not put my hands on it to type something. I also have themal camera pictures. I called the service to solve this thermal issue, nop. They act like they are not facing this problem. But I know all of their unit has the same problem. They have engineering fault on this device. And they are talking about thermal efficiency in their new device advirtisement. Thats why I am posting this same comment to every single dell thermal issue video. I will definitly not buy dell product anymore. No way. Not to my company anymore.
Lightweight, thin, great screen, not meant for gaming. I love to play games, but as a video editor this is more essential to me than buying a gaming laptop. Specs wise it is enough.
I thought it had an extra heat pipe, not sure where I heard that though. Thanks for all these great reviews, looking for a new work laptop and this is really helpful. Think I'll wait for more gen 10.
@@nwbasson In his video it showed the i9 cooling configuration. I'm surprised it was on a unit with an i7, but Dell PR must want reviews showing lower temps and higher performance, so they custom built the i7 review unit with the i9 cooling.
listen this dell is really noisy, and a lot of people return it because the fan start to work for no reason even if you are just reading a newspaper. A 500 usd laprtop works better than this
@@JarrodsTech Your i7 review unit had the i9 cooling system, and who knows what other changes Dell made to that review unit so that is reviews better. My unit definitely does not hold a 4GHz boost for 3 minutes, sometimes it's only a few seconds.
They should have just used lower specs if they can't utilize it properly but they just want to insert buzzwords like latest chip to sell the laptop. Such a disappointment. Also half a kilo heavier than MSI Prestige at about 2.1 kg, almost as much as Acer Triton or even heavier.
Jarrod'sTech So even if the i9 has thermal issues so does the i7? Because I’m getting the same one u have but the 4K touch for video editing such as after effects
Perfect review mate. Dell should change this laptop design from stone ages to improve the cooling. Selling us same old throttling laptop at such a hefty price is just not fair.
Cheers!
@@JarrodsTech this is the key reason Im not upgrading my device on the XPS tree anymore. Just ordering my XMG (Eu MAG-15) :)
Are there any alternatives that don't have a gamer aesthetic besides the 16 inch MBP?
I managed to keep the GPU at 1700Mhz even after an hour of Watch Dogs 2. Running that frequency at 0.8V and disabling turbo boost is what works best for me. In more CPU-biased games, I would change that of course. But by far most games want more GPU from this XPS 15.
The other option was GPU at 0.7V, where I managed 1440Mhz stable and didn't disable turbo boost. But even then the GPU would downclock sometimes to 1320Mhz or so. Running on -125 core/cache as any more would be unstable. Disabling turbo boost: -1fps, undervolt/OC GPU: +3/4fps from 40fps baseline
Nice, thanks for sharing your results!
Very interesting, thanks Jarrod! I have the Inspiron 15 7590 (9750H, gtx1650) and have noticed similar behaviour.
No problem! Thanks for mentioning that, as someone else said the results seemed wrong so it's good to hear someone with a similar experience.
Hi, Jarrod! This is so succinct and thorough -- I wish the tech experts at my company were anywhere near as informative!
Wow, thanks!
Recently found your channel, love your reviews.
Welcome to the channel!
Can you make a video on the black friday deals and your recommendations 😁😁
Maybe, not sure I'm really good at it so we'll see.
Hi Jarrod. I have the same xps laptop that you have. And the thermal throttling issue is what brought me here. Playing valorant or FIFA 19 in it is not that bad. Except for those times when for 5 to 7 secs there would be a huge fps drop and than it gets back to normal. However the temperature is concerning since it might reduce my battery life.
So i decided to get a cooling pad. Since the fans below intake air from outside, i am thinking of getting a cooling pad that gives out air from the above.
Just wanted to take some advice regarding this. And also some recommendation would be great.
Also would it be good to undervolt the laptop to prevent those frequent fps drops?
Thanks. Great video btw.
Thank you for the video, this reminded me of my situation.
I have dell xps 15 with i7-8750H and gtx 1050 ti. Gaming on this machine is a nightmare. The GPU thermal throttles at 75 celsius and the whole system is plagued with power limit throttling regardless of how I undervolt or underclock things. Tragic, to be honest. At least there is a fix to power limit throttling, albeit a very clumsy one. The GPU throttling at 75 seems like an impossible thing to fix though.
Would you share how you dealt with the power limit throttling? I have the same laptop( 9570) and playing cpu intensive games such as BF1 is horrible experience with stuttets and temperatures all over the place.
@@INsPiRoN1104 Then dont game on the XPS lol. Its not a gaming laptop. its like a macbook, used for productivity.
I don't understand why people game on ultrabooks or laptops in general. you can make a gaming pc for like $500 and play most games.
@@INsPiRoN1104 Every time you start windows, open device manager and delete everything related to intel dynamic platform and thermal management: general and processor participants and the manager.
why companies dont make a laptop that can game and look minimalist excluding razer etc. because it is super expensive
Asus Zephyrus S and M, MSI GS65 (price between Asus and Razer). There are options lol
@@danis.9326 still expensive af
Obsidian Destroyer try zephyrus g, only slightly expensive than a same spec one
Costs more I guess, there are other options like the Aero 15/MAG-15.
Nice, hope manufacturers also send you more thin and light laptops for reviews too, not just gaming laptops!
I hope so too!
Jarrod, will you be reviewing the new 16inch MacBook Pro?
No, it costs over $3000 in my country for the cheapest model and the channel is too small for Apple to care about so no way of borrowing a review unit.
Thanks for testing!
Has the Lenovo X1 Extreme gen 2 better cooling?
Honestly no idea, I've never had the chance to test that model out.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks for the reply :-)
You are the best laptop reviewer that I know. Love you from Vietnam
Cheers
My XPS 15 7590 with the i5-9300h has none of the issue you mentioned let alone the fact it stays cooler at 75-90 degrees during a cinebench run at 4.0ghz.
Which one do you prefer between XPS 15 7590(4k) vs msi prestige 15(4k)? I mean i want to make a purchase between these 2.
Prestige for CPU power, XPS for GPU, but overall I prefer Prestige.
hi, so i just bought the new dell xps 15 (same as vid but different specs) with i7 core and 16GB ram, and only full HD display. Would u say its worth overclocking, undervolting? i am noob at this stuff so ya.
Yeah undervolting the CPU can help you get some extra performance out of it when under heavy multicore load. Here's a guide on how to do it: th-cam.com/video/yNt9L3BWOFo/w-d-xo.html
Would a cooling pad fix the throttling? I am a console gamer so I'm having trouble understanding with the data you're presenting
Undervolting the CPU by -250 core and -140 cache does wonders on the XPS 15 7590 for me, also Id just allow the laptop to have more air by lifting it.
@@2009Windows7 That's a monster undervolt. What CPU are you running?.. From my testing, you can undervolt, but the power limit throttling will still kick in after a few seconds/minutes.
I have seen a lot of other temp results of XPS 15 7590 on load and it looks like you might have a unit with quality control issues. I have mostly seen this model hit around 90-95C (with no undervolt) at 3.5-3.9Ghz instead of you hitting 100C at 3.5Ghz. Maybe the heatsink wasn't mounted properly or it has a bad thermal paste application. At this state even the MSI Prestige 15 performs better than the XPS 15.
Anyway, great video as usual Jarrod.
This is happening to my g7 7790 ): 100°C on 3.6 without undervolt and 100°C on 1.25 UV
Dell also includes additional VAR heatsinks but they only put them on the i9 systems stating they do not believe they are required on the other systems. Why not put them on the entire lineup??
Hmm not sure, do these other tests go for long term? I can hit those briefly initially too.
Is there a thermal issue with gracphic card? If not i would go for it. I was testing the 9570 and 7590 the fan worked like crazy, very noisy and hot while open game. I know it’s not a laptop for game but just a very light game that’s ridiculous. I would like to know if the xps 15 is fine without graphic card
Not that I recall with the GPU specifically, but that would be adding in heat to the system so I'd expect better results without dGPU.
Did you have any problems with the OLED panel?
I'll discuss the issues in the review video next week, but basically it uses PWM to adjust brightness so possible eye strain, it's glossy so reflections can be distracting, and burn in is possible long term, however all of these are "maybe" issues. It looks very good, bright, and good colours and contrast otherwise.
Why were the temperatures the same for both the normal stress test and the undervolt stress test?
Because it's still hitting the same throttle limit, however the clock speed is higher with the undervolt. Undervolting may not always remove all causes of throttling, but it will still boost performance if throttling is taking place.
I would love to see Dell starts using AMD upcoming 7nm cpu-s, the temperatures would be cooler and just imagine when ssd batteries start to be widely used... the future will be a lot interesting, i love your videos :)
Yeah that would be interesting! Thanks!
Do you (or anybody reading this) recommend the surface book 2 (i7, 16gb, GTX 1050) Over the XPS 7590 (i7, 16gb, GTX 1650)? Consider that I'm able to get the SB 2 at $1200, brand new. And the XPS 15 at $1500, also brand new. I will be using this for engineering stuff like CAD, FEA ( solidworks), ansys .... I know something like thinkpad P series, with Quadro would be better for me, but my budget doesn't exceed $1500
Is there any chance of you reviewing the xiaomi gaming laptop 2019 version?
Not really, it's pretty expensive for me to buy and they don't want to lend me one, I guess the channel isn't big enough for them to care yet so I get ignored 😛
Basically xiaomi sucks
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Hey Man! I just bought a Dell g7 7790 with i7 9750H and a RTX2060.. No matter what I do it gets to 100°C on stress test and pretty much go up to 80-85°C out of nowhere. Do you think I should replace it?
I had the same system but with an RTX 2080 and had the same concerns. I liked the system design but performance was subpar for an RTX 2080 and the results were more aligned with an RTX2060 so I returned it.
@@petersonfamily6223 well I got my setup for around $1000.. I can't get anything a like for that price where I live.. this setup is around $1700 here in Mexico and anything alike is around that or more
@@cristobalaquino9946 Great price. I am in the same boat I have $1000 + of Dell Rewards to use before they expire and every system I have gotten from Dell has had issues. I had high hopes for G7 and loved the Keypad and ports on the back design but paying almost $800 more for an RTX 2080 to get RTX 2060 performance was unacceptable. Still checking out systems at Dell and Good luck with yours.
The Dell G series is just hot, I got similar in my G5 and G7 review, think G7 was a little lower though. Have you tried undervolting? Basically they give it high power limits so it performs better but this comes at the expense of higher temperatures.
@@JarrodsTech thanks for replying! Yeah I tried undervolt but I was stuck in the same temps, maybe I just don't know how to do it
MSI Prestige 15 or this XPS 15 7590?
I was about to ask the same 🤔
You guys should watch the MSI Prestige review. The answer will be clear as day.
@@naveennath567 I did and I think the MSI is a better bet but I wanted to know his opinion since he's tested them in person.
Wait for USB 4
@@zanman7369 okay im goind to wait xD
I wanted to know which would you choose xps 15 for 100 dollars less or gigabyte aero 15 classic ( 4k ips 1660ti) for 100 dollars more
I am into gaming but have not played in a proper gaming laptop yet... So 60fps now would suffice me ... I need a laptop that is portable
I'd pay more for the Aero, so easy choice for me. Higher power GPU, CPU will run at a higher power limit so better performance, bigger battery, otherwise similar feature set (OLED option/SD slot/Thunderbolt).
Which one work more and have big battery: MSI Prestige or this DELL?
You'll have to check the battery life results in my MSI Prestige and Dell XPS reviews to compare. I can't remember the result off the top of my head
Was this done with the new bios update?
How's the i9 with the 1650 do compared to let's say the aero? Trying to see if the 2080 or even 2070 helps with performance I do a lot of color grading and drone footage so not sure if the 1650 would hold me back
I haven't had the XPS with i9 to test, but I speculate in this video that it probably wouldn't go too well given the i7 can't really be fully utilized. I'd expect the i9 in the Aero to do much better. Not sure what software you're using, maybe if something like Resolve the GPU would matter more, but for Premiere it hardly changes much and mainly affects the export phase.
@@JarrodsTech that's what I was thinking! Yeah tough call for me because I'm trying to see what's good for my needs. I do a lot of speed ramps. Warp stabilizer. Color grading. Rarely do I use after effects but I do want to do that in the future.. Looking at the msi p65 with the i9-9980h 1tb (it's two 512ssd) and either the 2070 or 2080. Or just get a razor. Or fxk it Macbook 16 with the highest GPU and the i9 😅
@@Marlonorellana HEY Marlon . I was planning to get an XPS and my requirements are similar to yours. Which one did you go with? Any suggestion from your side would be great. Thanks.
@@rahulrajeev3731 I haven't tried the xps but I did try the Macbook pro 16 and I actually enjoyed it way too much!
@@Marlonorellana oh good to know.
Still recommend this for content creators? Debating on picking this up on black friday
The conclusion of the full review, is basically no, when there are other options that perform better and offer the same features - eg Eluktronics MAG-15 or Gigabyte Aero 15.
There’s something wrong with my unit. Gpu reaches 68C with 40W then it power limit throttles to 30W.
In quiet and cool mode , cpu is thermal throttling or power limited. Even its in ultra mode, the clock speed never hits 3.8-3.9 Ghz which has similar performace with macbook pro 16. It shows thin laptops such mbp or xps cant express all the potential of a great cpu
It depends on the machine, the MAG-15 is similar in thickness and performs much better.
Would the i5 variant with the 1650 fare better? Ive read in an older review with the 8300h, is that the cooling system has no issues with the i5. Please answer.
the cooling system doesn't have any issues here the problem is that Dell limit the power too harshly so that the six core CPU can't perform. this could be less of an issue with the quad core version because the same power limit will be available to less cores.
+Jarrod'sTech Are there any workarounds? Also would limiting the TDP to that of U processors help, also editing the gpu voltage curve?
+Jarrod'sTech And also what about disabling two out of the 6 cores in the 9750h, assuming games dont use all cores right?
Please do a laptop list for 2019 before the year ends. :)
I will.
Before blackfriday starts))
Too bad I didn’t see this review before buying it!!! 😱😱 Will continue testing mine. Its fans go crazy only by opening the internet an having some websites opened at the same time 😓😓
Mine too. Ever find a fix? Ruining my purchase as well. Laptop overheating
@@III_Eagle_III not really, but mine doesn't go so hot anymore. It seems it's adapting haha (also is autumn and is not as hot hahaha)
@Wulf oH, NO!!! Mine wasn't specially cheap for a 2 year life! Hope it lasts longer!
Jarrod please do check out the lenovo ypga s740 14 , i cannot find a good review of it anywhere and judging by the specs it looks really good. A review or an overview woul be greatly appreciated
Lenovo are very difficult for me to get review units from, so don't count on it, but I have already asked for it and the 540 (managed to get the 340 somehow).
Ohh i get it. It's okay i just liked its specs and wanted a comparison with the razer blade stealth
Can you sharr your undervolt setting on this?
Mentioned in the video, but in the end, useless because results will vary by chip and there are no global settings.
Do a fresh install of windows 10 pro to remove all bloatware, only install the drivers, dell cinema and max audio stuff and I noticed my Inspiron 15 7590 run a lot cooler, I also changed the nvidia 3D settings to run instead of cpu and have noticed a smoother UI at cooler temps
I don't think that would greatly affect my results as those weren't actively hitting it with load compared to my stress tests, but either way I want to test in the out of the box config that most people would use.
Jarrod'sTech I noticed the laptop didn’t run as hot, maybe you could try it and let me know what u think, I’m not that into testing etc but I watched your video as I’ve recently purchased a laptop after 10 years 😂
I bought the same model as this but the temperature is above 50c without running any application is that normal or should I return it.
Not something worth worrying about, that's not going to cause any problems.
@@JarrodsTech appreciate it best TH-camr
Would a cooling pad help?
I've been looking at this for 1080p (occasional 4K) video editing/after effects, would it still be a good buy? I don't plan on gaming much, maybe Overwatch or CSGO.
I don't think so, I mean it will work ok, but for this money you can get an Aero 15/Mag-15 which will do the job better - this is basically my conclusion for the XPS 15 review which is scheduled for Monday.
I don't know if you are still interested but anyways, I bought this pc half an year ago and use it everyday a lot of hours for heavy graphic design, 3d design, premiere and after effects and it really has beast performances, i never had a single second of lag since i bought it. As long as you need a laptop to use as a workstation this is for sure one of the best choices, it really has unbelievable performances for a laptop trust me.
@@lucabedetti5716 I am so glad i found your comment. this is what I wanted tot know. Im not using this for gaming but for what you are talking about. any recommendations on how best to use this?
Hi, what configuration do you use in heaven?
It's all listed at the top of the graph
Req : dell inspiron 15 7590 i7-9750H, please
may be compared with prestige 15
Maybe if I have time. Prestige 15 will probably win though, much better CPU performance.
Prestige 15 is better?
In terms of CPU performance? Yes, maybe not GPU as it uses Max-Q.
@@JarrodsTech thx a lot
Hi Jarrod,
I have a question on my 7590, very similar to yours aside from the RAM and SSD.
I have a -125mv undervolt on core and cache. Have the GPU running at 0.8V at 1680MHz. Disabled turbo boost (so now 2.6Ghz) in my Throttlestop Game profile to give GPU some headroom. CPU / GPU temps are 76 / 68 after prolonged Watch Dogs 2.
However, there is a new problem. The CPU throttles for no apparent reason, see screenshot. What could be causing this? CPU and GPU temps are nowhere near throttle temps...
The CPU is at 20W and less than 80C before it decides to throttle down from 2.6 to 2Ghz and +-15W.
Running the GPU at 0.7V at 1440MHz makes the CPU throttle less, but it still does sometimes.
Thanks so much for your help...
Screenshot: ibb.co/g3Nj2fn
Looks like the CPU is running at 15W, that's what I mentioned in the video happened to mine too. After a few mins it dropped down from 30 and settled at 15w, which is honestly quite low and weak for an i7 CPU, even when the temps are fine the Dell BIOS seems to just prefer this to keep it running cool so that the fans don't have to spin up, rather than making it louder they seem to preference making it perform worse, which is one of the reasons I don't recommend it in my full review video (coming out next week with more details).
@@JarrodsTech Yes I did see that 15W preference in your video. Yesterday I noticed it didn't throttle down and stayed at 2.6Ghz, +- 18W, even after an hour of Watch Dogs 2. So it depends on the BIOS' mood of the particular day apparently ;)
So, for me, it works well for prolonged gaming... thinking of doing a repaste as well. And I am running the optimized fan profile, not even ultra performance.
olivierhacking when it throttles to 15, try removing your Undervolt and/or removing turbo limit and see if it changes the profile. I’ve found what works best is to lower the clock speeds to 3 ish rather than disabling turbo boost.
What are other choices?
MAG-15/Aero 15 would be alternatives I'd look at in terms of similar features.
Is this with the latest bios?
Yes.
Hi, plz help me in cooling my dell G5 5587 on ultra performane(i7 8750h)....undervolting helps to reduce temps to 90 degress Celsius...(my room temp is 25 degrees)
You might want to try to under bolt your gpu most the time the CPU share heat pipes I use msi after burner look up a video on it. If that dose not bring down the temps enough you could down load Intel extreme tuneing utility and limit the power to 35 or 25 watts. Last resort would be to take it apart and put new thermal paste or liquid metal on it.
@@sabcoak846 my gpu temps go to max 65 degrees celsius.....will a cooling pad help in reducing cpu temp?
@@muk6597 I think it will help but it depend on the laptop some its 3c and some 11c but you could have bad thermal transfer from the CPU to the heat sink then a cooling pad would do very little around 1 to 2 celcius. if you can find one cheap you could try it out see how much it helps. The i7 8750h run very hot in most laptops because it's hard to take a lot of heat away from such a small space. The gpu uses more power but it has better thermal transfer because it has more contact with the heat sink. If a cooling pad dose not work as much as you would want there is not a lot you can do. Takeing apart a laptop is very risky if you dont know what you are doing. Could always try the ixtu(Intel extreme tuneing utility) and limit the watts not as good performance but will make your laptop last longer. Good luck with what ever you try :)
@@sabcoak846 thank u
If you've already undervolted CPU and GPU, next steps are using a stand/cooling pad, lowering ambient room temp (eg airconditioning), cleaning out dust, or changing thermal paste, that's about all you can do.
are you sure that's a 7590? it gets really hot when gaming and CPU reach crazy temps!
Yup. Own one myself and it gets
really hot, also probably because of the chassis of the computer being pretty bad thermally.
Please review the HP Pavilion
Unfortunately HP don't send me review units and they cost too much in my country for me to buy just to review, sorry. I've tried everything to make this happen. I've sent countless emails to every address I can find, made phone calls, even met with their staff at various events and exchanged business cards but nothing has come of it, so I can only assume they're not interested.
Can you please make a y540 vs xps15 in gaming?
I only have a Y540 with 1660 Ti so it doesn't make much sense to make a dedicated comparison video, I've tested many of the same games on my Y540 in this video though so you could just compare the results: th-cam.com/video/KqoyLLXaRMc/w-d-xo.html
I probably won't be able to get my hands on a 1650 Y540.
@@JarrodsTech ouh okay thanks man keep up the great vids! 👍🏻
I have the precision 5530 and it s just the same device of xps. Everything is same exept the cpu. Mine one has a zeon processor and I tried every poisbble way to keep it under 80 degrees and no way. if you want booth performans and the no fan noise. İt is imposible. When you disable hyper trheading or turbo boast, it s then becoming a normal laptop can not even play 4k 60hz video without fan noise again. Even there would be lag or freeze on the video when it is fullscreen. So I ask to myself, If I need to make it slower not to make it go extreemly hot, why did not I buy a regular half a price laptop. I know you are telling me that this much amount of problem need formatting and clean fresh installing. but no. Still my device is getting hot like an oven. Somethimes I can not put my hands on it to type something. I also have themal camera pictures. I called the service to solve this thermal issue, nop. They act like they are not facing this problem. But I know all of their unit has the same problem. They have engineering fault on this device. And they are talking about thermal efficiency in their new device advirtisement. Thats why I am posting this same comment to every single dell thermal issue video. I will definitly not buy dell product anymore. No way. Not to my company anymore.
If i get the core i5 9300H will i still get thermal issues?
I don't know, probably. To be clear, the issues are not thermal, but power limitations put in place to prevent it getting hot.
I heard about the BIOS update will fix this issue. Is that true ?
Why do people buy this laptop? There are plenty of same weight gaming laptop that just out spec this guy
Lightweight, thin, great screen, not meant for gaming. I love to play games, but as a video editor this is more essential to me than buying a gaming laptop. Specs wise it is enough.
Not sure, there are better options for less money - which is basically my summary in the upcoming review.
This or Macbook pro 16?
Never used the MBP so can't fairly say sorry.
Personally, I would go with neither.
No heat sink over the VRAM???
hmm
On the i9, they do have one, but not on the i7 and i5...
The heatpipes are over the VRAM on every model of this XPS.
Does the i9 have better cooling than the i7?
I haven't had one to confirm, but doubt it, would likely be exact same chassis.
I thought it had an extra heat pipe, not sure where I heard that though. Thanks for all these great reviews, looking for a new work laptop and this is really helpful. Think I'll wait for more gen 10.
@@nwbasson In his video it showed the i9 cooling configuration. I'm surprised it was on a unit with an i7, but Dell PR must want reviews showing lower temps and higher performance, so they custom built the i7 review unit with the i9 cooling.
considering the frequencies... it better be cool lol
Yeah 🤔
It still says No views for me. That is obviously a TH-cam typo. I think they mean Million views. Silly TH-cam!
Haha, yeah shows as none for me too, I was getting worried til I saw the comments coming in 😅
Not Design for gaming?
It's not advertised as a gaming laptop, there are cheaper and better options for that, but as I showed in yesterday's video it's definitely capable.
@@JarrodsTech hmm okay
coil whine ?
Not that I noticed, or I'd have mentioned.
@@JarrodsTech thanks, appreciate the reply!
@@dtarasiuk There's a whine/hum for sure, but it's quite low so audible when the fans are at very low rpm.
listen this dell is really noisy, and a lot of people return it because the fan start to work for no reason even if you are just reading a newspaper. A 500 usd laprtop works better than this
🤔
mine stays at 4Ghz for like 1+ minutes.
What workload?
I use cinebench or Intel XTU stress test
@@JarrodsTech Your i7 review unit had the i9 cooling system, and who knows what other changes Dell made to that review unit so that is reviews better. My unit definitely does not hold a 4GHz boost for 3 minutes, sometimes it's only a few seconds.
WOW
😵
Prestige 15 Much Better And Value For Money.
Could be.
Btw I like your videos
Thanks!
Damn
😎
so gaming laptop (a chasis) is a gimmick lol :D
I guess, yeah, just means laptop with a GPU, easy to market. Slap on some edgy designs to sell it and you're done.
@@JarrodsTech 😂 yeah like the new cybertruck,😲
Intel, nvidia Monopoly game , with the manufacturing is the audience cheering 🤣
@@lou007 amd is also a monopoly game. so is toyota and every other company if you really wanna get that deep
They should have just used lower specs if they can't utilize it properly but they just want to insert buzzwords like latest chip to sell the laptop. Such a disappointment. Also half a kilo heavier than MSI Prestige at about 2.1 kg, almost as much as Acer Triton or even heavier.
Yeah I agree and yet they also offer it with the i9 🤔
just buy the i5 version... problem solved.
Not really 😓
Jarrod'sTech So even if the i9 has thermal issues so does the i7? Because I’m getting the same one u have but the 4K touch for video editing such as after effects
Dell will sell this when the number of the travelling rich female video editors exceeds the number of gamers.
🤔
Why am I not surprised probably get better fun using google stadia
I don't know, it does still play games quite well, depends how much you care about input lag I guess
I am experiencing massive frame drops while gamimg cn someone help
Update your BIOS.
Looks smexy
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Fking ass Dell... XPS or any we need dual m2 ssd raid , two usb-C ....
:(