These “top tier” videos are 11.0+ fighters. Anything lower can regularly fight in the 9.0 bracket and that gameplay is drastically different and is not top tier at all.
I kinda miss the time where the mig21bis and f4e were the top dogs, i feep like that was the peak of super sonic top tier. Many people consider the sabre time to be peak but i didn't play the game back then and i had most fun with the f4e probably
Sabre vs mig15 vas the peak definitely. Mig17 and hunter added some new elements to that eternal war, so they were welcome, but this missile slinging bullshit made the playerbase much less skilled all over., Not to even mention the toptier premiums
@@friday3001 yeah I gotta agree, I miss the old top tier. I do still think its cool how there's more and more modern vehicles in the game but I don't like the current execution of the late gen 3/early gen 4 top tier. Never mind the complete mess that is rank 6, worse than 7 IMO
@@friday3001 sim has sabres vs mig17s still :D. Though gaijin as usual, decided to mess with the last fun bit of air combat and introduced super sonics up to 10.3 to the balance. But, top tier between 9.3-11.3 is on a rolling br system throughout the week so you can still enjoy sabre vs mig, just 2x a week instead of any day now.
The single saving grace of the Kfir C.2 is that it can get Python 3s in the future. Obviously it wouldn't quite fix the issue as the aircraft can still only carry 2 missiles, but having the 2 missiles be that potent will at least give it something to work with.
@@xavsul9108 Practically speaking the C7 is just a C2 but (slightly) better in every way shape and form, so yeah. For if it is actually a good plane, no. Its basically the same experience you get playing the C2, but you have a slightly better chance to kill someone not paying attention. Imagine a Mirage 2000, strip away everything good about the M2k except the speed and turn performance, and you get the Kfirs. I still love them though
As someone who just spaded the F-4EJ 2 weeks ago, it was a nightmare to do. It’s decent at altitude, but the Aim-7Es aren’t that good, and the radar sucks. The aim-9ps also are really only good in top-down scenarios. It was not a fun time. Now the EJ Kai with Aim-7Fs and a PD radar is wonderful and usually guarantees 4 kills.
Still gotta use the same things you learn with the EJ when you use the Kai. The 7Fs are chonky weights and getting caught in any defensive scenario usually means youre going to be dead
Yeah, 7F's and PD radar are going to be insane on any aircraft. Not as much of a monopoly as they once had, with the Mig 29 and R27 ER's, but still atleast 1 kill per game, and 3-4 on a good game.
They further buffed the agile eagle flight model. Try playing the F-4F and F-4E like an F-5 and it is very effective. It can now hang with the F-5 in a dogfight especially if you use the vertical.
The only reason DEFAs/ADENs are bad is because there's a bug with them that causes their HE rounds to do basically zero AOE damage to surrounding components, even Russian 20mms do more. You can test it in the hangar Connecting a 30mm HE round should be basically game-over for most targets but Gaijinn has ignored this issue for over a year
WT always had the most random and inane errors/bugs with air cannon ammo. For a long time Hispanos were underperforming because their SAP-HE rounds had a fuse ten times too long (probably due to a typo) meaning it just acted like solid AP instead of actually blowing up within the target airframe
what I don't get is that they dropped the mirage 3's down to 10.3 as they underperformed but then left the j35d, that has less missiles, at 10.7. It makes no sense.
@@harrywright6544 the J 35D actually has 1 more missile but they're 9Js so they're shit. its basically the mirage 3C(no flares or rwr) but with worse but more missiles.
@@zahnatom lmao no, it is not worse than the 3C. The J35D might suck right now but it has no business fighting 9.3s. Id rather they leave it where it is or straight up replace it with one that has flares.
@@jaek_898 u want to know funny thing? there ain't much 9.3 planes (few f100, 21f13, j7II, cl13b, 2x lansen, j34, EEL) and most of the time they fight in much more populated 8.0-9.0 or 9.7. Also 21MF and 21SMT or F5C that are better in most fields are 10.3. So yeah Draken does have bussines at 10.3.
I used the Kfir C2 to grind basically half the Israeli tree and then used the mirage and C7 for the rest. The 2 missiles of the c2 were quite lackluster but the flight performance really helped. Ur faster than most on the deck and if u drag ur enemies to a secluded location, you can dump all your energy in a 1 circle fight and you have about 2 good turns to get guns on. Its a weird plane and takes a ton of discipline. U either have to play it fast and super passive or dump ur energy and be super aggressive and you need to know when exactly u need to be either. Once u get used to the kfir, its a pretty fun plane.
Step below mid would be dogwater I think that’s the word you’re looking for. Also kill at 9:25 me personally idk if a mid missile could do that but just my opinion.
@@borderinginsane1783 it was like spazzing out tho normally missiles that turn horribly just barely turn but that one was able to switch its flight direction like 3 times very quickly
The C.2 being where it is is completely right even though I like the plane. It was fun for exactly one week before the F-14 came into the game. My C.2 has since been relegated to the "planes I basically only use in customs" list.
Hey, besides the run-of-the-mill top5 videos you should try going in-depth on either your top performing statistically or personally. I've noticed over the years playing I do stuff with my favorite aircraft that others don't. Some of it good and some not so much, but all teachable moments nonetheless. I feel like the list videos do so well because new players are always joining and they are more likely to watch the more recent video giving info on a plane they're aiming for or a plane they currently have. Anyway, good luck with your channel, and like me your severe War Thunder addiction.
The only good thing about the C.2 is the payload, it has a lot of bombs and rockets. But since this jet came, my opinion is the same. It should be 10.7.
I kinda like the Mirage 2000’s DEFA 554s. The rate of fire is better but not like the water pistol losing you a lot of trigger time, and it seems that the damage is also somehow improved. Muzzle velocity still kinda sucks though.
Seeker Head at the beginning of the video: “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion” Seeker Head when someone says they like DEFA’s: “Your opinion is wrong and invalid” 😂
Should probably say top 5 worst top tier planes, cuz I’m pretty sure the me262 and the he 162 are a couple of the worst jets being the earliest iterations of jets in history
Both Kfirs are overtired and in a dire need of Python 3s. I have no idea how Gaijin isn't giving them their historicly accurate missiles seeing how mid the Harrier GR.7 is with 4xAIM-9Ls.
Still weird how the F5E is 11.0 , 2 IR AIM9 with mid performance vs a BR filled with radar guided missiles with tons of ammunition vs gun focused dog fighter feels weird. Really would like to see it drop to 10.7 at the minimum so it wont have to take on Mig-29s and F16s.
Holy shit, Chillstep for transition music and outro. (Im new to the channel.) What a welcoming surprise c: Not many people listen or even know of Chillstep. Nevermind in 2022. That really put a smile on my face c:
F4C is the worst phantom missles are okay but they arent compatible with its radar it has a external 20 mil and it burns fuel quickly not only that its heavy and slow not only that it faces 11.0 with no chaff.
The Mirage F1's engine is bugged, you can supercruise for some goddamn reason, but it doesn't actually help it in any way (it doesn't help you get away in a pinch, since you accelerate so slowly)
Out of the ones i've played (which isn't many), one of the worst jets i've played has to be the J21 jet retrofit. The J21 is a pretty mediocre plane overall even as a prop. It has piss poor armament for its BR, it can't outturn or outrun most foes, and it has awful acceleration. To add insult to injury, the jet version manages, somehow, to be even worse.
I think the F104j is worse then the F4ej tbh. the f-104j has no flares, is not as fast as the s model, has 4 aim9Ps at 10.7 and is not able to manouver that well. Where as the ej is lighter then the F4e and can out dogfight it in a rate fight.
Man good thing I watched this video I’m still in early WWII era so I’m close to getting jet powered planes but this made me realize I should stay on the path of the F-14
I own the F-4EJ and it gets Aim 9Ps if I remember correctly which are nice cause they work with radar but since the radar only works at like 1.5km - 2km on the deck and since it picks up lots of ground clutter forget trying to use it if your radar is pointed down.. You can get lucky with the Aim 7Fs if someone isn’t paying attention or doesn’t have an RWR.
The F-4F Early is far worse than the F4F. It has all the faults of the F4F plus -NO Radar Missiles, NO Flares (at 10.3) and no Ballistic Computer. And all that for sitting at a very slightly lower BR. But the Mig-23BN us far worse than both of them. No Missiles at all, no flares, you have 1x AGM manually guided missile, rockets, gunpods, and iron bombs. Furthermore its slow as hell, cant turn, cant climb and because the plane is huge, its a perfect target. Its suppose to be a bomber but its lack of any type of self defense just makes you a target.
There's a load of really 'bad' jets out there, F1C included but it's more a BR issue than bad aircraft. As some aircraft would be pretty good but are made fairly useless due to Gaijin's 'useless' and inappropriate BR methodology. [Going off topic slightly] As mentiond I'd agree with the F1 at top tier, but for me, most 'bad jets' are at slightly lower BR's like the Hunter F6, a great plane at the wrong BR ...pretty much a sitting duck (I know it has great, albeit short range missiles but you have to wait for others to make mistakes to use them ...and that's normally too late). Virtually all jet bombers (Vautour, IL28, Canberra, Buccaneer etc), you can sometimes earn a bit of SL but more often than not, you end up mixing it with more agile supersonic missile armed fighters. The Venom spoilt by a dumb BR rating. All really could do with a .3 BR reduction.
While the f4EJ is not that good on its own it has some kind of cursed power that made me face 9.3/9.7 in that plane like 3/5 times when i played and on that br you can guess what happends.
personally I like defas very much, i used them mainly to destroy heavy & medium tanks and pillboxes I got very used to those cannons simply because i like ground pounding in jets who has defas
F2H banshee should be 7.7 coz the guns are shotguns, the stock flight preformance is worse than a super prop and at 8.2 it gets nailed by missiles in an uptier
Flip around the positions of the F-4F and the F-4EJ and I'd completely agree. As far as my playstyle goes, while I value Agile Eagle a good bit, I value higher kill potential more. While the Aim-7E's may not be great as far as Fox-1's go, it's still something that can at least force your opponents to defend, if not still kill them. While the Japanese F-4's may not have Agile Eagle, they aren't exactly slouches for maneuverability since while they have less instant turn potential, they will stay in their optimal speed range for a few seconds longer. Managed to pull some crazy shit in my EJ Kai, but I wouldn't go to any length to say the standard EJ is good...
Tbh F-4F Phantom only hits her highest peak around 1990-2011... I mean the F-4F(ICE) is basically Germany's F/A-18, cuz it has AIM-9L, AIM-120 AMRAAM and APG-65 radar. 🤔
I played the F-5A (USA) alot while grinding for the F-5E and in my expierience at top tier the change to gameplay is only having to dodge pheonixes, PD missiles and all aspect IR missiles. While it certainly wasn't enjoyable to have poor missiles and not super good engines the F-5A can still use guns when the early missile fight slows down to allow for some dogfighting. The only limitation the F-5's overall are the two missiles and the slower speed, so if the F-5A got better missiles I'd believe it to be a better jet than second worst, just my opinion, of course i can't reliably uptier the F-5A besides playing the E with worse missiles and upgrades taken off
huh where is f104j and generally f104? i know it is at 10,7 but it meet f14s all the time, don’t turn at all and have no flares… and i almost forgot when you try to turn you literally bleed 100km/h/s
Me-263 squad jet ....hella slow ...but it does have a good gun so I suppose if you had good coverage you could pound ground targets or bombers while everyone else dogfights with the agile fighters.
I absolutely hate F-4c and e. E has weak radar, can only lock high targets for its sparrows. And when you do launch the sparrows, they inatantly loose track the second the enemy uses chaff or flares. And, while you are tracking the enemt as the missile goes toward them, you are left in a position where tyou're nose is pointed up, and enemies can easily swarm and destroy you. Additionally, its borderline impossible to dodge many of the missiles fired at you, as most enemies will have better radars and missiles. Even flying 100 meters off teh ground, using countermeasures, and pulling aggresive maneuvers, mig23 missiles always hit without a problem. Additionally, you are constantly uptiered to fighting mig29's and f-16's. Essentilly, at 11.0 and above, most planes are faster than you, more maneverable, better radar, and better missiles. the f-5E has way better performance at 11.0 and above than f-4e.
I feel like F-4F is just a CAS platform. Its a decent platform with Mavericks, bombs etc. So german boiz, dont complain about lack of CAS, Italy's top br cas is a 104
yeah but then on the flip side 10.3 can go as low as 9.3, and that will offer completely different gameplay and really screw up how you determine what’s balanced at what particular match maker, uptier/downtier. Making it 11.0+ really simplifies that
You saved me some money with this video, i was considering purchasing the Kfir C2, but now i changed my mind. What is the best jet to buy on the Gaijin marketplace?
MiG23MFcan be fun but it’s not particularly great, mainly bc it has 12 countermeasures. not too many great marketplace jets, the premiums aren’t fantastic either really but u don’t get a choice. F5C is probably as good as it gets
I’m a phantom fan but so far all I’ve seen of the phantoms in wt is that they’re garbage, I was grinding the F4-F but I guess that’s come to an end, does any country have a decent phantom?
the F-4F should just receive the AIM-9L's it carried IRL. It would make up for its limit of four missiles and complete lack of SARH missiles, even if it means a bump up to 11.3
These “top tier” videos are 11.0+ fighters. Anything lower can regularly fight in the 9.0 bracket and that gameplay is drastically different and is not top tier at all.
the among us car 23.7 gaijin please
hey man you forgot to name the #1 worst jet... it ends at #2 for some reason so its actually top 4 worst jets in war thunder
What could be worst than the f5 at 11.0 the hunter f.6 at 10.0
The top 5 mehhhhh 🤷♂️ airplanes
@@boxofbytes what?
Video idea: Top 5 missiles
Yesss!!
Don’t worry, that’s already coming
@@SeekerHead yeeeehawwwww
Is it just the Magic 2 listed 5 times?
AIM-7F KING 👑
I kinda miss the time where the mig21bis and f4e were the top dogs, i feep like that was the peak of super sonic top tier. Many people consider the sabre time to be peak but i didn't play the game back then and i had most fun with the f4e probably
Sabre vs mig15 vas the peak definitely. Mig17 and hunter added some new elements to that eternal war, so they were welcome, but this missile slinging bullshit made the playerbase much less skilled all over., Not to even mention the toptier premiums
@@friday3001 yeah I gotta agree, I miss the old top tier. I do still think its cool how there's more and more modern vehicles in the game but I don't like the current execution of the late gen 3/early gen 4 top tier. Never mind the complete mess that is rank 6, worse than 7 IMO
@@friday3001 bro you know good and well you were not there stop BS'ing
@@niggalini its honestly just compression ruining top tier at this point.
@@friday3001 sim has sabres vs mig17s still :D. Though gaijin as usual, decided to mess with the last fun bit of air combat and introduced super sonics up to 10.3 to the balance. But, top tier between 9.3-11.3 is on a rolling br system throughout the week so you can still enjoy sabre vs mig, just 2x a week instead of any day now.
The single saving grace of the Kfir C.2 is that it can get Python 3s in the future. Obviously it wouldn't quite fix the issue as the aircraft can still only carry 2 missiles, but having the 2 missiles be that potent will at least give it something to work with.
Am a be real it would make it worth getting somewhat but overall the c7 is just way better to get
@@xavsul9108 Practically speaking the C7 is just a C2 but (slightly) better in every way shape and form, so yeah. For if it is actually a good plane, no. Its basically the same experience you get playing the C2, but you have a slightly better chance to kill someone not paying attention. Imagine a Mirage 2000, strip away everything good about the M2k except the speed and turn performance, and you get the Kfirs.
I still love them though
This came true lol
Looking back, you are correct. It does get python 3s as of now. Only 2 though
As someone who just spaded the F-4EJ 2 weeks ago, it was a nightmare to do. It’s decent at altitude, but the Aim-7Es aren’t that good, and the radar sucks. The aim-9ps also are really only good in top-down scenarios. It was not a fun time. Now the EJ Kai with Aim-7Fs and a PD radar is wonderful and usually guarantees 4 kills.
Still gotta use the same things you learn with the EJ when you use the Kai. The 7Fs are chonky weights and getting caught in any defensive scenario usually means youre going to be dead
Yeah, 7F's and PD radar are going to be insane on any aircraft. Not as much of a monopoly as they once had, with the Mig 29 and R27 ER's, but still atleast 1 kill per game, and 3-4 on a good game.
They further buffed the agile eagle flight model. Try playing the F-4F and F-4E like an F-5 and it is very effective. It can now hang with the F-5 in a dogfight especially if you use the vertical.
People be underestimating the f4f rn
The only reason DEFAs/ADENs are bad is because there's a bug with them that causes their HE rounds to do basically zero AOE damage to surrounding components, even Russian 20mms do more. You can test it in the hangar
Connecting a 30mm HE round should be basically game-over for most targets but Gaijinn has ignored this issue for over a year
Why would they ever correct it?
That might cost them money!
WT always had the most random and inane errors/bugs with air cannon ammo. For a long time Hispanos were underperforming because their SAP-HE rounds had a fuse ten times too long (probably due to a typo) meaning it just acted like solid AP instead of actually blowing up within the target airframe
Yeah that issues annoyed me quite a lot but oh men when those shots connect they hurt like hell
Same issue happen to all 30mm cannons for some reason. 37 and 23 are much more stable in terms of damage.
The velocity also sucks.
was gonna mention the J 35D but then realised that its luckily only 10.7 and not 11.0(even though it should be 10.3)
what I don't get is that they dropped the mirage 3's down to 10.3 as they underperformed but then left the j35d, that has less missiles, at 10.7. It makes no sense.
@@harrywright6544 the J 35D actually has 1 more missile but they're 9Js so they're shit.
its basically the mirage 3C(no flares or rwr) but with worse but more missiles.
@@zahnatom lmao no, it is not worse than the 3C. The J35D might suck right now but it has no business fighting 9.3s. Id rather they leave it where it is or straight up replace it with one that has flares.
@@jaek_898 u want to know funny thing? there ain't much 9.3 planes (few f100, 21f13, j7II, cl13b, 2x lansen, j34, EEL) and most of the time they fight in much more populated 8.0-9.0 or 9.7. Also 21MF and 21SMT or F5C that are better in most fields are 10.3. So yeah Draken does have bussines at 10.3.
@@Morfeusz1895 hm, yes, cherrypick the SMT/MF as examples which are obviously 10.7 worthy, or the F5C which is way slower and has much worse missiles.
I used the Kfir C2 to grind basically half the Israeli tree and then used the mirage and C7 for the rest. The 2 missiles of the c2 were quite lackluster but the flight performance really helped. Ur faster than most on the deck and if u drag ur enemies to a secluded location, you can dump all your energy in a 1 circle fight and you have about 2 good turns to get guns on. Its a weird plane and takes a ton of discipline. U either have to play it fast and super passive or dump ur energy and be super aggressive and you need to know when exactly u need to be either. Once u get used to the kfir, its a pretty fun plane.
Damn I was hoping you’d troll and fake the viggen as the worst plane
I was hoping the AJ 37 would be included because it deserves to be but it’s not 11.0+ so it’s okay.
Step below mid would be dogwater I think that’s the word you’re looking for. Also kill at 9:25 me personally idk if a mid missile could do that but just my opinion.
I mean the F-5 turned directly into the 9J's flight path meaning it had to barely turn
@@borderinginsane1783 it was like spazzing out tho normally missiles that turn horribly just barely turn but that one was able to switch its flight direction like 3 times very quickly
high iq play putting the viggen in the thumbnail
My man’s woke up and said, I want some drama today…
Would be interested to see this but with slightly lower brs (10.0-9.0, etc.) good vid though but now i feel bad grinding the f4f for cas lol
Just use the mig21with CCIP on the s-24s
The C.2 being where it is is completely right even though I like the plane. It was fun for exactly one week before the F-14 came into the game. My C.2 has since been relegated to the "planes I basically only use in customs" list.
Hey, besides the run-of-the-mill top5 videos you should try going in-depth on either your top performing statistically or personally. I've noticed over the years playing I do stuff with my favorite aircraft that others don't. Some of it good and some not so much, but all teachable moments nonetheless. I feel like the list videos do so well because new players are always joining and they are more likely to watch the more recent video giving info on a plane they're aiming for or a plane they currently have. Anyway, good luck with your channel, and like me your severe War Thunder addiction.
The only good thing about the C.2 is the payload, it has a lot of bombs and rockets. But since this jet came, my opinion is the same. It should be 10.7.
I kinda like the Mirage 2000’s DEFA 554s. The rate of fire is better but not like the water pistol losing you a lot of trigger time, and it seems that the damage is also somehow improved. Muzzle velocity still kinda sucks though.
554's are a bit faster than other defas if i'm not mistaken, still shit tho
Seeker Head at the beginning of the video: “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion”
Seeker Head when someone says they like DEFA’s: “Your opinion is wrong and invalid” 😂
Should probably say top 5 worst top tier planes, cuz I’m pretty sure the me262 and the he 162 are a couple of the worst jets being the earliest iterations of jets in history
There’s a title/thumbnail meta for YT i’m trying to stick to
@@SeekerHead that makes sense.
You can excuse the F4EJ simple because it LEADS to the Kai (who will likely see it’s AAM-3s soon in the future)
Also the su22-m3 is at 11.0 and with only six R60 and only 12 countermeasures and bad maneuverability and no radar missiles is just outrageous.
test the german one its weight more and has a weaker engine but more counter
measure
Both Kfirs are overtired and in a dire need of Python 3s. I have no idea how Gaijin isn't giving them their historicly accurate missiles seeing how mid the Harrier GR.7 is with 4xAIM-9Ls.
Can you do a worst jets involving planes like the Super Mystere and similar?
Still weird how the F5E is 11.0 , 2 IR AIM9 with mid performance vs a BR filled with radar guided missiles with tons of ammunition vs gun focused dog fighter feels weird. Really would like to see it drop to 10.7 at the minimum so it wont have to take on Mig-29s and F16s.
Holy shit, Chillstep for transition music and outro.
(Im new to the channel.)
What a welcoming surprise c:
Not many people listen or even know of Chillstep.
Nevermind in 2022.
That really put a smile on my face c:
Lmao i love the viggen in the thumbnail just to piss off the sweden cult
I bet the Viggen cult saw that thumbnail and came in armed to the teeth, ready to put you on the cross lol
I wanna know your opinion on the FGR.2
show all the planes on the tech tree.as a new player it would make it so much easier to learn about the jets while watching
You really did us dirty by putting the viggen in the thumbnail.
3:14 seeker head easter egg 😱
Really surprised the FGR2 isn't on the list given its aim9G's and terrible flight performance
F4C is the worst phantom missles are okay but they arent compatible with its radar it has a external 20 mil and it burns fuel quickly not only that its heavy and slow not only that it faces 11.0 with no chaff.
I know it's not supersonic, but what do you think of sea harriers?
Honestly, I'm glad to hear your having fun making the videos, that's the most important part 👍
I like how you always preface opinion and you are less angry than spookston
The Mirage F1's engine is bugged, you can supercruise for some goddamn reason, but it doesn't actually help it in any way (it doesn't help you get away in a pinch, since you accelerate so slowly)
the f-5 at 4:00 really does not know how to dogfight
Out of the ones i've played (which isn't many), one of the worst jets i've played has to be the J21 jet retrofit. The J21 is a pretty mediocre plane overall even as a prop. It has piss poor armament for its BR, it can't outturn or outrun most foes, and it has awful acceleration. To add insult to injury, the jet version manages, somehow, to be even worse.
Would say all, by just their repair cost.
Pretty rough when two isn’t enough to cover the cost.
Expecting the MIG23M
Same
Huh? The MiG-23M and MF are still great
I think the F104j is worse then the F4ej tbh. the f-104j has no flares, is not as fast as the s model, has 4 aim9Ps at 10.7 and is not able to manouver that well. Where as the ej is lighter then the F4e and can out dogfight it in a rate fight.
Love the thumbnail :D Great video once again, really like these kind of videos, hopefully you won't get bored doing them
Bro where did u get this Pakistani camo
Man good thing I watched this video I’m still in early WWII era so I’m close to getting jet powered planes but this made me realize I should stay on the path of the F-14
Could you do a review on the f8e, or best close range dog fighters
J7E F5s F8 A10
What is agile eagle in referring to the F-4?
an upgrade program that for phantoms meant leading edge slats that drastically improved maneuverability
I own the F-4EJ and it gets Aim 9Ps if I remember correctly which are nice cause they work with radar but since the radar only works at like 1.5km - 2km on the deck and since it picks up lots of ground clutter forget trying to use it if your radar is pointed down..
You can get lucky with the Aim 7Fs if someone isn’t paying attention or doesn’t have an RWR.
The F-4F Early is far worse than the F4F. It has all the faults of the F4F plus -NO Radar Missiles, NO Flares (at 10.3) and no Ballistic Computer. And all that for sitting at a very slightly lower BR.
But the Mig-23BN us far worse than both of them. No Missiles at all, no flares, you have 1x AGM manually guided missile, rockets, gunpods, and iron bombs. Furthermore its slow as hell, cant turn, cant climb and because the plane is huge, its a perfect target. Its suppose to be a bomber but its lack of any type of self defense just makes you a target.
There's a load of really 'bad' jets out there, F1C included but it's more a BR issue than bad aircraft. As some aircraft would be pretty good but are made fairly useless due to Gaijin's 'useless' and inappropriate BR methodology.
[Going off topic slightly] As mentiond I'd agree with the F1 at top tier, but for me, most 'bad jets' are at slightly lower BR's like the Hunter F6, a great plane at the wrong BR ...pretty much a sitting duck (I know it has great, albeit short range missiles but you have to wait for others to make mistakes to use them ...and that's normally too late). Virtually all jet bombers (Vautour, IL28, Canberra, Buccaneer etc), you can sometimes earn a bit of SL but more often than not, you end up mixing it with more agile supersonic missile armed fighters. The Venom spoilt by a dumb BR rating. All really could do with a .3 BR reduction.
What about f104g? it goes against f14s omost every single time and it only gets aim-9js
please read
While the f4EJ is not that good on its own it has some kind of cursed power that made me face 9.3/9.7 in that plane like 3/5 times when i played and on that br you can guess what happends.
personally I like defas very much, i used them mainly to destroy heavy & medium tanks and pillboxes
I got very used to those cannons simply because i like ground pounding in jets who has defas
F2H banshee
should be 7.7 coz the guns are shotguns, the stock flight preformance is worse than a super prop and at 8.2 it gets nailed by missiles in an uptier
Hey i recognise that guy at 0:21
The compression is the problem I don’t even play top tier anymore it’s no fun
Yeah haha... imagine having only DEFAs to dogfight superior planes... haha... yeah...
**looks over at G.91Y at 9.3**
for me im really hating the A32A at 9.3 its a good jet to take into tanks but in air it feels sucky had to resort to air arcade to spade it
Flip around the positions of the F-4F and the F-4EJ and I'd completely agree. As far as my playstyle goes, while I value Agile Eagle a good bit, I value higher kill potential more. While the Aim-7E's may not be great as far as Fox-1's go, it's still something that can at least force your opponents to defend, if not still kill them. While the Japanese F-4's may not have Agile Eagle, they aren't exactly slouches for maneuverability since while they have less instant turn potential, they will stay in their optimal speed range for a few seconds longer. Managed to pull some crazy shit in my EJ Kai, but I wouldn't go to any length to say the standard EJ is good...
The F 4 F is my favorite top tier. you have to play it differently then the other fighters and with the two external vulcans its great in head on.
All of the 10.7 F-104's with no countermeasures are worse than everything on the list
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Tbh F-4F Phantom only hits her highest peak around 1990-2011... I mean the F-4F(ICE) is basically Germany's F/A-18, cuz it has AIM-9L, AIM-120 AMRAAM and APG-65 radar. 🤔
I played the F-5A (USA) alot while grinding for the F-5E and in my expierience at top tier the change to gameplay is only having to dodge pheonixes, PD missiles and all aspect IR missiles. While it certainly wasn't enjoyable to have poor missiles and not super good engines the F-5A can still use guns when the early missile fight slows down to allow for some dogfighting. The only limitation the F-5's overall are the two missiles and the slower speed, so if the F-5A got better missiles I'd believe it to be a better jet than second worst, just my opinion, of course i can't reliably uptier the F-5A besides playing the E with worse missiles and upgrades taken off
You should do top 5 WORST premiums. Any br
This was just a list of my favorite planes
huh where is f104j and generally f104? i know it is at 10,7 but it meet f14s all the time, don’t turn at all and have no flares… and i almost forgot when you try to turn you literally bleed 100km/h/s
wdym? the F-104s have awesome energy retention. if you put it in a 5 degree dive, it gains 200kph
CL-13 , A5 sabre, me 262 (all), p 47 M, mig 15
The worst aircraft is literally every single prop plane in the entire game idk how people use them
AHAHAHHAHA as kfir former player.... I totally forgot it until you talked about it XD Shame as it is a good one except for missiles ^^'.
I actually have had a great amount of luck with the DEFAs in head on passes.
Do worst to best tier 7 aircraft for each nation
Me-263 squad jet ....hella slow ...but it does have a good gun so I suppose if you had good coverage you could pound ground targets or bombers while everyone else dogfights with the agile fighters.
As an EJ Kai enjoyer, I'm insulted that you put on the default skin for the it and not the normal EJ 😥😥😥
I’m gonna use the phantom when I get there because I love the plane irl and I don’t really care if it’s not that good I’m a make it god damnit 😂
I absolutely hate F-4c and e. E has weak radar, can only lock high targets for its sparrows. And when you do launch the sparrows, they inatantly loose track the second the enemy uses chaff or flares. And, while you are tracking the enemt as the missile goes toward them, you are left in a position where tyou're nose is pointed up, and enemies can easily swarm and destroy you. Additionally, its borderline impossible to dodge many of the missiles fired at you, as most enemies will have better radars and missiles. Even flying 100 meters off teh ground, using countermeasures, and pulling aggresive maneuvers, mig23 missiles always hit without a problem. Additionally, you are constantly uptiered to fighting mig29's and f-16's. Essentilly, at 11.0 and above, most planes are faster than you, more maneverable, better radar, and better missiles. the f-5E has way better performance at 11.0 and above than f-4e.
All the hate on the AIM-9P, and I like them just fine on the F-5E FCU. Did they change them since the video, or am I just wrong?
You forgot to make a chapter for No 4 the F-4F.
I feel like F-4F is just a CAS platform. Its a decent platform with Mavericks, bombs etc. So german boiz, dont complain about lack of CAS, Italy's top br cas is a 104
Give the F5-E AIM9-Ls : change my mind
Praying mig21 isn't on here as its what im grinding for
My personal definition of “Top tier” is anything that can be upteard to face the highest br vehicle. There for right now top tier is 10.3-11.3
yeah but then on the flip side 10.3 can go as low as 9.3, and that will offer completely different gameplay and really screw up how you determine what’s balanced at what particular match maker, uptier/downtier. Making it 11.0+ really simplifies that
It's 'Tier' not 'tear', tear can mean either tear drop, or tear, as in rip.
I know it's dumb, and English is weird but yeah, it's 'tier'.
Idea: Top 5 meme vehicles.
very nice video, please top5 missiles
is nobody gonna notice that at 11:00 some dude just rammed a phoenix fired by the f 14?
You saved me some money with this video, i was considering purchasing the Kfir C2, but now i changed my mind. What is the best jet to buy on the Gaijin marketplace?
MiG23MFcan be fun but it’s not particularly great, mainly bc it has 12 countermeasures. not too many great marketplace jets, the premiums aren’t fantastic either really but u don’t get a choice. F5C is probably as good as it gets
Why does everyone seem to try(and succeed) to dodge IR missiles with full afterburner?
Yes! Top 5 missiles! Good call! Tomorrow you said? Sold!
F4F Early shoild replace the tech F4F, has no flares or chaff, no CCIP and has only fox2s as well
DEFA's are actually the toppest of top tier weapons at top tier.
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the f-4c is the worst flying tank that exsists
The step below mid is just bad, I don’t think there is any gen z slang for that.
Kfir C.2 is so bad i think the whole tech tree doesn't even deserve to exist.
Top 5 worst planes in the game: anything in rank V
What about the German "mig21 sps-k"?
If ya do top 5 worst top tier tanks don't forget to put the m1128 on the "worst" :v
I love the defa canons. I have an easier time aiming them
I’m a phantom fan but so far all I’ve seen of the phantoms in wt is that they’re garbage, I was grinding the F4-F but I guess that’s come to an end, does any country have a decent phantom?
EJ Kai is okay, it has the possibility of receiving upgrades but unlikely
I finish grinding the Israeli aviation tech tree and I’m happy, then I saw this video and I was like: ‘oh sick’ and watched it. Then I saw kfir :(
kfir c7 is a good bit better than the c2
@@SeekerHead that cheered me up a bit, but now im wondering if i should grind USSR or USA aviation
@@CatWarThunder both are good picks
@@SeekerHead yay okay
the F-4F should just receive the AIM-9L's it carried IRL. It would make up for its limit of four missiles and complete lack of SARH missiles, even if it means a bump up to 11.3