@Stephen Qualio that can be said for all the Dr.Seuss movies. Remember live action cat in the hat? I can give the live action Grinch a pass cause it had people who knew what they were doing for the most part. But after that it all went down hill. And it all came full circle with the cgi grinch movie. Honestly this is the same kinda feeling I have for the Disney remakes.
The fact that a movie about greed was made by Illumination, a company that milks the minions to death and cares about money instead of quality is ironic.
In the original, the oncler wasn’t a bad guy but rather a fellow flawed human who ended up letting pride and greed blind him for a while until it was too late. To me at least, it was supposed to show how we too are very capable of making his mistakes. It’s easy for us to get caught up in it all and end up hurting something or someone even if we didn’t mean to as we are flawed beings. Therefore, it’s important to be humble and give back from where we took. I wish the remake could have embraced the original’s darkness but they wouldn’t because it’s a greedy corporate entity.
And the 1972 short nailed it by having the once-ler point out that humans do it regularly to the point that to stop would ruin their lives to which the lorax had no solution to
Literally the whole point was to be better than greedy corporate entities and then those same people turned the movie into a cash grab. Also, fun fact, the Lorax was used in car commercials after the movie was released ( I’m talking about the 2012 movie and Lorax btw )
The issue with that, is that it’s already happening now, in which industries aren’t being held accountable for all the pollution and instead people are being told to stop using straws as if they make up the majority of all the pollution.
What is important to note about The Lorax book is that the Onceler actually brings up very good arguments that the Lorax admits he doesn't have an answer to. IT is an environmentalist book, but it shows that there are still two sides to the issue and that a "right" answer is far more complex than saying "industry bad." I think that very few people understand that.
I feel the entire thing with giving Onceler a face COULD have worked if they did something to somehow make him 'Faceless' by the time he's Biggered his company. My Idea is that he starts off as the Oh-fuck-we've-summoned-tumblr character we know and tolerate. Then, as he cuts more trees and makes more money, he slowly obscures his face with accessories; nothing to start, before suddenly a scarf, sunglasses, and then the top hat to fully shadow his face. Symbolic of how he starts as a unique person with a good intent, before becoming just 'That greedy, unseen businessman who sells thneeds'.
I love his editing so much. He could just be talking about like the most devastating event in humanity and then 10 pictures of among us and Kanye would pop up with almost as many sound effects as hazbin hotel
I like how Dumbs tries to convey how beautiful and legendary the original adaptation is in the most serious tone while a video of a drunk guy falling over a refridgerator while being accompanied by music which sounds like a cat trying to swallow a working lawnmower plays in the corner
If you think about it, the Onceler is a pretty bad business man. Him cutting down the trees wasn’t neccessarily his problem. It was that he never planted any trees. If he was on the true sigma-male-hustle he would’ve made sure he had plenty of resources.
yknow, this movie had the potential to be a decent adaptation of the book. Maybe instead of making the main character some brat whos family can obviously afford to live in thneedville, maybe focus on a character who isnt able to afford to buy the clean air constantly, and make them actually want to improve the environment instead of him trying to impress some boring girl. idk just a thought
His original motivation in the Thneedville demo was better imo. He wanted a tree bc he wanted to be the coolest kid on the block, and was really greedy
Hear me out: since the lorax and knockoff minions threw a funeral for a tree, when they were all cut down it would be the equivalent of witnessing the holocaust
like that one scene from "life is beautiful," where the dad is taking his son back to their room in the concentration camp, and he stumbles across the stacked piles of naked corpses. Man that scene freaked me out as a kid.
All jokes aside, that car commercial bit is just sad. The fact that a pro-environmentalist film is used for this cross-promotion just proves that Illumination put no thought or effort into adapting the book, and couldn’t care less about its message. It feels like a giant crap on Dr. Seuss’ legacy.
When I read the lorax book as a kid I used to be scared of the onceler because I thought behind his curtain he was a horrible nightmare creature because we never saw his face.
Ikr, even though I find the Movie Onceler kinda weird because he is an adult with child's face(i don't know how people find that attractive), but with the book is worse
Hot take here, but the Onceler's face being shown wasn't the problem. The point they were going for was that the Onceler was just your average guy, that he could've been anybody - and that even the seemingly most innocent person can turn into a monster when greed gets the better of them, which, in theory, is a really good message to convey, one very in line with the original book's themes and messages. The problem lies within the execution. "Biggering" would've driven that point home perfectly, showing that the Onceler had turned into a ruthless megalomaniac beyond the point of redemption, who was aware of exactly what he was doing and didn't stop regardless. "How bad can I be" on the other hand paints him as a mostly innocent goofball who mostly destroyed the environment on accident (oopsy) and make us believe that he was not aware of the consequences of his actions. The lines "who cares if a few trees are dying" vs "who cares if some *_things_* are dying, I don't wanna hear your crying!" drives this come perfectly. And you gotta keep in mind, it wasn't just this one song. It would've felt extremely out of place to have just one song be this dark and gritty, so the rest of the movie most likely would've followed suit in terms of tone. But of course, the corporate higher-ups denied this for two reasons: 1) It was "too dark for kids," and likely would've caused the movie's age rating to go up. This would've meant a smaller target audience, and less toys being sold. It's bullshit, obviously, but if the kids were made aware of the exact scummy business tactics these people were trying to abuse, that could've damaged their sales, and we can't have that. 2) The higher-ups who came up with that first BS excuse felt called out by the movie. It made them uncomfortable just how much of themselves they saw in this version of the Onceler, didn't want the world to see them for who they really are, felt exposed by it, so they made them scrap it. TL;DR: A movie about corporate greed got destroyed by corporate greed. It's a joke that practically writes itself, and yet for some reason, I don't really feel like laughing.
Don’t forget Tadashi x Once-ler, but even the Once-ler Fandom was confused as to why the hell it was there. Honestly it seems like every 2 years someone has to edit teh Once-ler wiki to something cursed, first Tadashi now Dream. I’d like to kindly exit this drug train now please.
@@yer_yer6795 there are pictures in the video where the Onceler and Dream (Minecraft TH-camr) are in a rather sexual position. Both characters seem to enjoy said position. This is a ship. Yet even though it is one hell of a cursed ship there are things in the video that are even more cursed than this image. I hope this helped
Biggering: * exists* Illumination: nah nah, they don’t need such a good song *takes it out of the movie but puts it onto TH-cam to show it as a demo * The viewers/fans: *hahahahaha, don’t worry, we got you covered *casually makes amazing animations for such a crappy movie **
To be honest, I'm still kind of glad they just released it as a demo. They could have easily just have let it rot with the public never even knowing of its existence.
They said it was too dark for kids. When I first watched the movie as a kid, I did not understand that the Onceler was supposed to be a bad person, because the songs were so upbeat
Original idea: *Save the trees for the future of the world, and a bunch of really genial messages for humanity* The Lorax 2012: *h0rny boe tries to get a tree seed for girl*
I hate them for not putting this masterpiece (biggering) into the film, this guy was singing with his whole soul the DEMO, so it means it could be better. But no, how but can i be comes in
What makes me sad is this movie covered up the serious message with colourful visuals and goofy characters. The "protagonist" - Ted - doesn't give a shit about trees, he just wants to get the girl.
They should play the old hand drawn one instead, I saw it thanks to one of my online classes and it's way better at being realistically morally gray and all. But I'm not against you using Biggering if you prefer.
Imagine this. The opening number is cheery, but as we go through the movie, we discover that the people signing were more upper class, people who could afford stuff like air. Imagine if as Ted is sneaking out, he sees poor and homeless people, and they are suffering and begging for a bottle of air. It would give us an ACTUAL dystopia, humanize the protagonist, and show just how dangerous corporations can be not only to the environment, but to the people too
another way is that the song at the start is just them faking their happiness bc ohare was coming there and when it finished they would start to cough violently and look miserable ANOTHER way is to straight up use the demo song and still do the whole coughing thing but this time the entire song was a presentation for o'hare as he was coming to sell the air but then ted asks about the trees, which leads to teds mom taking him out so he stops sayig that to the most powerful man in the town
"Well id probably marry him on the spot" Zack the Mary Sue: hehe yeah boi Edit: the reason why i called Zack a Mary Sue is cus during the final song everyone one agreed with him expect the villain He was the bad guy (along side being the bad guy but we ignore that)
Donkey Kong exists in the Lorax Universe, that means Mario exists too because that was both Mario and Kong's debut game. Know what that means? Nintendo exists. Nintendo publishes a game called Legend of Zelda. Guess what? Link appears is Soulcalibur 3. That means the Soul Series exists. Keep that in your head. Kratos appears in Soulcalibur: Broken Destiny. Kratos is from God of War which is an exclusive to the Playstation by Sony. Sony exists. Going back to the Playstation and God of War, it got it's start on the PS2. There is a certain game on PS2 that is from a worse movie. The Cat in the Hat is a 2003 2.5D platform game for PlayStation 2. That means Dr. Seuss made the book which was then adapted to film and then into a game. Dr. Seuss made a little book known as.... _the lorax_ That means they live in a world where their fates are already known. _They know they're not good_ I rest my case.
And by Kratos existing in Playstation All Stars this connects not just that game to Lorax but also by Heihachi Mishima being in that game and in Smash stage/Mii this makes every Smash Franchise and entire Tekken series connected to Lorax who connects with Street Fighter who connects with Marvel who connects with DC WHO MAKE ALL OF THIS CONNECTED TO FORTNITE AND EVERY FRANCHISE IN THAT GAME
This movie to me is like chicken little. I only liked it as a kid cause I grew up with watching both of these movies a lot, but I didn’t realize how bad both of them were until I recently looked back at them. Lorax was actually a lot worse than I thought.
Tom & Jerry: Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is the bastardization of Roald Dahl’s Magnum Opus and Illumination’s The Lorax is the bastardization of Dr. Seuss’s Magnum Opus
I personally think Roald Dahl's Magnum Opus was the Witches. Oh, wait that recently got bastardized too. Poor Dahl. No wonder he had such an anti tv mindset.
8:15 I cannot even begin to tell you how utterly refreshing it was to hear someone FINALLY getting the terminology right and blame corporatism instead of the usual blame thrown at capitalism. That honestly just made my day.
Thinking about it, i think i know how they could have made biggering fit the oncler in a relatable way. In the beginning of the movie, before the oncler finds the trees, he's attacked by a bear or something, he swings an axe, but its too small to reach, he goes "I need a bigger axe! I need a bigger axe!" finds he packed one, and somehow manages to drive off the bear. I think this small change would both tie in his need to "bigger" and his disregard for nature nicely
Having to look at a Onceler cosplayer in 2021 caused me so much physical pain, oh god. At least we had Danny DeVito in the film. That’s the best we’ve got.
Same I was only like 6 when the movie was released but seeing the onceler be liked like this hurts I guess the only upside to me about the onceler is that I like the shade of green his suit is.
Being a fan of Viziepop's creations, I thought I've already seen enough Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss/Zoophobia's memes and jokes to resist when they pop out; but everytime that gif with Charlie dancing and the: "Death to Israel" near pops out of nowhere, I just keep losing the lungs from laughs😂 Jokes apart, I'm with you on this, especially the excuse of love story to motivate the boy, it's not the first time an adaptation has this situation, take Netflix's "Watership Down" series, they took away the scene in wich Fiver alone finds his brother and was trustful in the fact that he was still alive... to give screentime to the girl for a romance story rushed as fuck: they see each other one time and they istantly go with the: "Oh, I knew you would come back for me" and then again, after a few only line of dialogues, they already start to talk like a couple and while someone could argue that rabbits fuck non-stop, yes, they show to have still animal instinct in the books, but there is another love story that is handled well and it's far more realistic and isn't rushed and unnecessary slapped in your face instead of giving space to the protagonists, not to mention that they put it there for the cliché of the weak damsel in distress that needs to be saved before growing up a spine (and there were already strong females characters in the books, the one that is the real mate of the protagonist in the books for example) and change other parts of the plot that could have been modified in less clihcé-filled ways. I'm with you evem on the fact that "Biggering" should have been in the movie, I've seen many animations mixing togheter *perfectly* some of the movie's Oncelor and even some of the one in the book! That makes you angry only 'cause you see that he as a villain had potential and the movie had a really big potential too (just thinking about the many things that could have been changed in something better makes you want to destroy illumination, a bit more of attention especially on the villain and the Oncelor real self and we could have a movie that, even if changing the original plot, can have it in too and be still a good movie). Now time to watch other reviews from your channel, I admit that I was at first a bit fearful of finding another youtuber that goes for: "I don't like one thing about this movie, so it sucks and who enjoyis it must die of cancer!", you know, it's pretty hard to find someone that doesn't do that and tries to stay as objective as it can, but your "Alpha&Omega"'s revies just hypnotized me (and made me feel a bit ashamed of the board on Pinterest I once created in Lily's honor😂)
I love how they made biggering and this song could have saved the whole entire movie but instead nah it's too dark and said they made another song that was pretty lame
bigmac 1014 --- sadly it wouldn't save the movie, since to save it we need to remove the whole """"distopia"""" set-up which is really pointless... and also make The Onceler faceless.
Biggering:"because the customers are buying in the money multiplying in the pr people line in the lawyers are denying who cares if some things are dying I don't want to hear your crying" Illumination: oh hell no
ngl the cosplayer at the beginning is actually really cool and knows full well being a sexy onceler thirst trap is unbelievably cursed but finds it hilarious
I loved Biggering and I still listen to it every now and then. It’d be pretty nice if they remade The Lorax into a musical maybe. The songs would have a more dark and dismal tone to really make the audience feel the weight of the story’s message
Ok, I'm willing to defend illimination's attempts to make the oncler "relatable". Showing the onceler as a person, not the faceless thing we saw in the book and original movie, is an attempt to dispel the myth that all corporates are unrelatable douchbags. You're meant to see yourself within the onceler and see yourself in his decent to villainy. however, since corporate meddleing happened, the entire purpose of giving the onceler a face was shipped to marketing. what a fucking shame.
i think it would've worked a lot better if they actually took the faceless route after he became successful, showing that this is something that could happen to anyone while also still giving him time to be a normal guy- and o'hare really shouldn't have been there either, because he's played 100% straight and just makes the whole dichotomy worse.
Honestly, when I look back at this, the Once-ler’s face being shown does take away from the ambiguity, but I always thought it was meant to humanize him more, showing that any of us could’ve become the villain in a story like this (though they could’ve done without the guitar and family thing). Other than that, yeah, I guess I always did love the original more than this.
@@BabyGirlTiny Honestly it's a double edged sword. To quote Nostalgia Critic though before the Onceler got his personality revealed: "At the VERY least, they're making him timeless". Effectively, if in an AU we got a good Lorax movie but the Onceler had a face, one would need his personality to follow the book and be broad enough so that one could fill his shoes - effectively, being relatable in any time period. None of this 'guitar playing' unless its a hobby he's trying to learn. One idea I thought of was an added in line: The onceler is just a nobody, a guy from a small town just eager to make his mark in the word and finding inspiration in order to achieve said goal. Yes the impact of the original faceless idea of the Onceler is lost, but it would still be respectful to the source material if done right. The trick would be to make it so that despite having a 'face', you could change that face still and the Onceler would still be 'anybody' - and as someone else has stated one could thematically make his face appear less and less (but that would require some expert camerawork / animation to make that work). But the grave mistake done was giving the Onceler an ACTUAL face; not a general 'one size fits all' face and personality that one could presume could've come from anybody, but some rad 2000s guy playing a guitar being driven by his family to make more money while stating 'oh how bad could I be mang'. It's a damn shame, the idea COULD of worked but it's all corporate and pandering and on the nose. Hell, the one line I wish they KEPT was the whole argument with the Oncler and Lorax about shutting down his factory: "And what would you have me do, fire all of my workers?" as others have said it was really impressive The Lorax managed to strike a balance of both sides having very valid points, where the conflict wasn't black and white. Not this film, sadly. This film spat in its face.
"This doesnt even make sense on a creatively bankrupt level" is actually a fair statement. You probably could narrow down the story to 3 Character maximum and you dont even have to fully 3D-model and animate one of them. It took more money and effort for them to do this then to do it correctly.
I actually enjoyed this movie when I was in my impressionable years as a kid until I eventually forgot about the movie. The only time I was reminded of the movie was when the "let it die" meme took place. To sum it up, I'd say this movie is forgettable like most animated movies specifically made for children along with the likes of Rio.
I remember one of the director's actually saying that the Oncelor being given a face and personality is to give off the message that anyone can become the Oncelor because busineessmen and CEOs are still human and can be anyone. Personally I actually like this decision. Too bad it's the only thing I like.
To give a counter-argument, I think the original did this way more effectively *by* making him faceless. By making him faceless, you can apply anyone onto him, including yourself. By giving him a face, you're not looking at yourself or a man who you could become, you're looking at a pre-existing pre-baked character, and that dissonance is what ruins the 2012 version of the character for me.
@@dumbsville Understandable. I'd also like to note that I feel like the movie has also so much more wrong with it when you take into account the context surrounding its development, hypocritical messages, oversimplification of the issues presented in the film and Illumination as whole. There's stuff like Thneedville which I actually didn't think was that bad an idea but they never go into detail how the fucked up comodified society affects those who can't afford the commodities, or the consequences for the fact they literally need to buy air (there are these two fantastic videos by Drawpinion Dump and The Squad discussing the issues that The Lorax refuses to accept or tackle) or if they have breathing issues for that matter amongst others. It doesn't help that one of the lyrics in 'How Bad Can I Be' is "And the PR people are lying and the lawyers are denying" yet Illumination does literally that in their ad campaigns for the film. The implications are truly just depressing honestly and only adds to the reasons that this film and Illumination are a garbage fire.
@@dumbsville counterpoint, by not showing a face you turn him in to an entity that may as well doesnt exist. If you can't see him, whose to say he's even real? Most of these evil people aren't faceless,, you see them.. having him hide in the shadows makes it out to be that its just some person hiding in the shadows when thats not true. You don't know who he is so you can say he's real or that he can be anyone because people have faces and you see them.
I remember watching 70s cartoon back in the early 90s, how dark it was, and how sad it made me feel, especially at a time when it was very important to save the environment. This movie just made me feel so grimy.
The moral lesson is: break as many laws, harm as many people, risk your life and your family's safety; all to get some pussy. That way everything will be okay in the world
I think this movie has a lot of good ideas and added things to the Lorax like developing the Lorax and Once-Lers relationship. The animation is also amazing and the art looks so Much like Dr Seus. I think the soundtrack like Funeral for a Tree are really good! The problem with this movie is that they completely ruin the whole point with O’Hare. The Once-Ler can be redeemed but O’Hare can’t for doing the same thing. They need trees, but everybody in Thneedvile seems to be doing good with O’Hares air. In conclusion, How Bad Can I Be go brrrr funny song hahahaha
i think the lorax and onceler's friendship could have been better if it was a criticism on corporations that harm the environment lie and say that they actually help it it could be a sort of fake friendship that is also a metaphor for that, but once the lorax notices this, its too late he is already biggering (cut song from the lorax 2012)
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The beginnings giving me flashbacks to when Tumblr was obsessed with the Oncler.
And now Loki is literally the Once-ler, he even made out with himself
Those were dark times
The Ounceler is way cooler
Fun how the internet works
@Stephen Qualio that can be said for all the Dr.Seuss movies. Remember live action cat in the hat? I can give the live action Grinch a pass cause it had people who knew what they were doing for the most part. But after that it all went down hill. And it all came full circle with the cgi grinch movie. Honestly this is the same kinda feeling I have for the Disney remakes.
Onceler: "How Bad Can I Be?"
Me: Illumination bad or regular bad?
Illumination: Yes
Lol
In the words of Gogeta, "THEY'RE BOTH SHIT!"
tbh i really like the movie. its pretty good imo.
@@quisty6492 it's trash.
@@Zokalex I can have my opinion and you can have yours
"the onceler turns into a hazbin hotel character"
Bruh, which one
every single one
"The gay one."
"DO YOU HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA HOW LITTLE THAT NARROWS IT DOWN?"
@@endauldiagrumit I have no words
Alastor pfffttt
Wym they all look the same
Movie: Greed is bad
Also movie: Has like a million advertisements
The fact that a movie about greed was made by Illumination, a company that milks the minions to death and cares about money instead of quality is ironic.
There’s an irony of Lorax branded diapers, because illumination sure did shit on the meaning of the Lorax.
Wait aren't the production and marketing teams separate
@@crimsondynamo615 Alright, I'm not gonna lie, you got me with that one
Lol
In the original, the oncler wasn’t a bad guy but rather a fellow flawed human who ended up letting pride and greed blind him for a while until it was too late. To me at least, it was supposed to show how we too are very capable of making his mistakes. It’s easy for us to get caught up in it all and end up hurting something or someone even if we didn’t mean to as we are flawed beings. Therefore, it’s important to be humble and give back from where we took.
I wish the remake could have embraced the original’s darkness but they wouldn’t because it’s a greedy corporate entity.
And the 1972 short nailed it by having the once-ler point out that humans do it regularly to the point that to stop would ruin their lives to which the lorax had no solution to
Literally the whole point was to be better than greedy corporate entities and then those same people turned the movie into a cash grab. Also, fun fact, the Lorax was used in car commercials after the movie was released ( I’m talking about the 2012 movie and Lorax btw )
@@brookewilliams2041oh it was obvious you meant the 2012 version
The issue with that, is that it’s already happening now, in which industries aren’t being held accountable for all the pollution and instead people are being told to stop using straws as if they make up the majority of all the pollution.
@@BabyGirlTiny sad isn’t it
“Biggering” And Ted not being a simp could’ve made this movie a masterpiece
And also, bring back the old concept of ThneedVile as an actual dystopia.
@@Plumpus3545 it is literally a COMPANY town. How did no one think to run with this?
@@wildfire9280it’s funny how the original demo of Thneedville sounded like a dystopia 🤦♂️ while this is just too happy for a “dystopia”
evil ted be like: "F̸uck her! I'm planting it because of those damn prices!"
And don't forget onceler not being pressured by his evil family
What is important to note about The Lorax book is that the Onceler actually brings up very good arguments that the Lorax admits he doesn't have an answer to. IT is an environmentalist book, but it shows that there are still two sides to the issue and that a "right" answer is far more complex than saying "industry bad." I think that very few people understand that.
Yeah shows that there is no permanent solution
@@LucarioBot "there is no permanent solution" is a permanent solution
@@Resi1ience no it's not
Stop trying to be deep
@@Resi1ience What you said made no sense at all.
@@Resi1ience i didnt win i merely failed to get victory
The fact that we got “How Bad Can I Be” over “Biggering” says a lot about society.
I wish we got both in the movie, we get “How Bad Can I Be “first and then we get “Biggering” as a more evil reprise of “How Bad Can I Be”
we live in a society
I guess it hit too close to home with Illumination.
@@Rammni facts
@@IcyDiamond that could've actually worked.
The original 1972 movie was actually personally overseed by Seuss himself. After he died his wife allowed for WAY more merchandise.
The protagonist in this wanted to plant a seed, but not a truffala.
Have I seen you before, or am I just thinking of another user with the exact same Waddledee PFP?
Lol I love that pfp. Waddle Dee is the G.O.A.T
@jbiehlable if it exists there is
I feel the entire thing with giving Onceler a face COULD have worked if they did something to somehow make him 'Faceless' by the time he's Biggered his company.
My Idea is that he starts off as the Oh-fuck-we've-summoned-tumblr character we know and tolerate. Then, as he cuts more trees and makes more money, he slowly obscures his face with accessories; nothing to start, before suddenly a scarf, sunglasses, and then the top hat to fully shadow his face. Symbolic of how he starts as a unique person with a good intent, before becoming just 'That greedy, unseen businessman who sells thneeds'.
You don’t need to start him out with a face just show how consumers motivate his bad actions
Or he could just wear a hood over his head that hides his face
maybe if the movie showed the guy only from up, left, right, and back it would work? but im an idiot when it comes to this so i cant tell
6:33
That transition was incredibly disturbing but incredibly smooth and it shouldn't have been.
HELL NAAAAW💀💀💀
I love his editing so much. He could just be talking about like the most devastating event in humanity and then 10 pictures of among us and Kanye would pop up with almost as many sound effects as hazbin hotel
Accurate XD
With the loudest sound effect being a metal pipe falling on the floor
And when something is supremely unfunny it’s the Kanye picture with either “NOBODY’S LAUGHING” or a sitcom laugh track
I love the editing as well specially the kissing niggas.
With fat Stewie Griffin in a suit
I like how Dumbs tries to convey how beautiful and legendary the original adaptation is in the most serious tone while a video of a drunk guy falling over a refridgerator while being accompanied by music which sounds like a cat trying to swallow a working lawnmower plays in the corner
Welcome to generation Z
We're take things humorously, but we're also deadly serious.
if the original is so powerful, can it beat goku tho?
Yes
@@nolanthel0ser669 cring
Swallowing a lawn mower? Were you watching me last night?
If this was realistic and set in 2021, Zach would have just stole his mom's credit card to pay for Taylor's OnlyFans account.
"That one didn't quite age so well."
-i forgor
@@Thebooooy Jontron?
@@anib8863 indeed
Pretty much on theme as Ted (or anyone else) couldn’t go outside back then
TaylorTitFck
Can't believe this film's set at Sneed's Feed and Seed, formerly Chuck's.
I didn’t get that joke for so long
*Reads this, then thinks of Seed of Chucky for some reason*
Sneed Chucking
(formerly Buck Breaking)
we sneedposting now, take a sip of that Kaisercino
@@Greystar2426 this is the part where you boogie
this is the part where you dance
If you think about it, the Onceler is a pretty bad business man.
Him cutting down the trees wasn’t neccessarily his problem.
It was that he never planted any trees.
If he was on the true sigma-male-hustle he would’ve made sure he had plenty of resources.
Also his family sucks in every possible way. Like if he actually planted the seeds they would Take them out from There just because they can bruhh
Well, although that's true, He fucked up the environment with pollution in the air and sky
That point is surprisingly covered in the original short and book, that the trees take a long time to grow, tho prolly could of planted some
@@coffeejunkie7954 or... you know... cut a few down to start, then.. harvest the fluffyness which will regrow to make the thneed.
Guys chill, he has the big dumb
yknow, this movie had the potential to be a decent adaptation of the book. Maybe instead of making the main character some brat whos family can obviously afford to live in thneedville, maybe focus on a character who isnt able to afford to buy the clean air constantly, and make them actually want to improve the environment instead of him trying to impress some boring girl. idk just a thought
Could be on to something not gonna lie
I convinced myself that the oncler is just blm ✊🏿 as a person but worse
The character that Zac Efron plays is just trying to bring trees back for a girl. Wow. And I thought Kid Flash from Young Justice was a huge simp.
Fuck I never even thought of that. Now I'm pissed off again
@@madcap3450 Why are you mad?
@@johnoconnell5004 because Wally's dead.
A true simp solving global warming for his cummies
His original motivation in the Thneedville demo was better imo. He wanted a tree bc he wanted to be the coolest kid on the block, and was really greedy
The Onceler: How bad can this possibly be?
Dumbsville: *yes*
Lol
Lmao
Lol
Hear me out: since the lorax and knockoff minions threw a funeral for a tree, when they were all cut down it would be the equivalent of witnessing the holocaust
like that one scene from "life is beautiful," where the dad is taking his son back to their room in the concentration camp, and he stumbles across the stacked piles of naked corpses. Man that scene freaked me out as a kid.
He is the Clorax, he speaks for the bleach.
The bleach says : Drink Me.
yee
@Mary Dan idk, but we can change it for the better!
I would prefer that.
He is Ajax, he speaks for the soap
Dumbs is determined to go after all the fandoms from 2010
And I am all for it
Roxas Deviluke --- Well Gachimuchi will probably be the exception to the rule.
But will he go after the DC Animated Universe fandom next?
He’s on a one man crusade
Wait till the Oncelings get word of this video.
Your editing made my Onceler fandom PTSD worth it, subscribed
“I am the lorax, I speak for the trees”
“If you f ing liter, I’ll break your knees.”
What if I'm armored?
Can he break my knees?🤔
SCP 173 must get along with him...
@@peepeepoopoomyguy7457 yes. there's no escape from the lorax, who speaks for the trees and breaks knees
Fortnite balls
"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees"
"I don't know what they say, they speak Vietnamese"
All jokes aside, that car commercial bit is just sad. The fact that a pro-environmentalist film is used for this cross-promotion just proves that Illumination put no thought or effort into adapting the book, and couldn’t care less about its message. It feels like a giant crap on Dr. Seuss’ legacy.
Agreed
Every adaptation honestly is, his books aren’t meant for theater adaptations.
*flashbacks to the Ginch pistachio nuts ad…*
@@A_ghost_leviathan The straight animated adaption from back in the day that we already had was pretty much perfect already.
Well, it was made by a company, of course they would make a desperate attempt to cover their tracks
The fact that they removed biggering is triggering
When I read the lorax book as a kid I used to be scared of the onceler because I thought behind his curtain he was a horrible nightmare creature because we never saw his face.
Me too! I was 11 when I watched the movie in theatres and honestly, I couldn't take the Once-ler seriously just based on his character and appearance.
yeah I would skip the oncler pages because I was scared of him
Ikr, even though I find the Movie Onceler kinda weird because he is an adult with child's face(i don't know how people find that attractive), but with the book is worse
I like Mr. O'Hare, not as a character, but because of the funny bowl cut hair
no he is hot as hell
@@superfardman4332 ew-
@@superfardman4332 please go outside and touch grass
@@tamanone7918 go touch grass
Hot take here, but the Onceler's face being shown wasn't the problem.
The point they were going for was that the Onceler was just your average guy, that he could've been anybody - and that even the seemingly most innocent person can turn into a monster when greed gets the better of them, which, in theory, is a really good message to convey, one very in line with the original book's themes and messages. The problem lies within the execution.
"Biggering" would've driven that point home perfectly, showing that the Onceler had turned into a ruthless megalomaniac beyond the point of redemption, who was aware of exactly what he was doing and didn't stop regardless.
"How bad can I be" on the other hand paints him as a mostly innocent goofball who mostly destroyed the environment on accident (oopsy) and make us believe that he was not aware of the consequences of his actions. The lines "who cares if a few trees are dying" vs "who cares if some *_things_* are dying, I don't wanna hear your crying!" drives this come perfectly. And you gotta keep in mind, it wasn't just this one song. It would've felt extremely out of place to have just one song be this dark and gritty, so the rest of the movie most likely would've followed suit in terms of tone.
But of course, the corporate higher-ups denied this for two reasons:
1) It was "too dark for kids," and likely would've caused the movie's age rating to go up. This would've meant a smaller target audience, and less toys being sold. It's bullshit, obviously, but if the kids were made aware of the exact scummy business tactics these people were trying to abuse, that could've damaged their sales, and we can't have that.
2) The higher-ups who came up with that first BS excuse felt called out by the movie. It made them uncomfortable just how much of themselves they saw in this version of the Onceler, didn't want the world to see them for who they really are, felt exposed by it, so they made them scrap it.
TL;DR: A movie about corporate greed got destroyed by corporate greed. It's a joke that practically writes itself, and yet for some reason, I don't really feel like laughing.
Yap yap yap
“The Lorax is the worst adaptation.”
Cats: The Musical Fans: “Well, about that-”
Oh god, Rusty, look away from the movie
Warrior cats is everywhere, but you don't notice until you are one of them
Avatar the last airbender fans: About that
Percy Jackson fans: *internal screaming*
Super Mario fans: ...
I love how evil illumination was at that time. The once ler literally did what his mom asked him to do but when he does it she gets disappointed lmfao
The fact that the Dream x Onceler isn’t the most cursed thing says something
Don’t forget Tadashi x Once-ler, but even the Once-ler Fandom was confused as to why the hell it was there. Honestly it seems like every 2 years someone has to edit teh Once-ler wiki to something cursed, first Tadashi now Dream. I’d like to kindly exit this drug train now please.
Bruh Moment
It confuses me
I need context, can someone extend the explanation or just, you know, happened?
@@yer_yer6795 there are pictures in the video where the Onceler and Dream (Minecraft TH-camr) are in a rather sexual position. Both characters seem to enjoy said position. This is a ship. Yet even though it is one hell of a cursed ship there are things in the video that are even more cursed than this image.
I hope this helped
Biggering: * exists*
Illumination: nah nah, they don’t need such a good song *takes it out of the movie but puts it onto TH-cam to show it as a demo *
The viewers/fans: *hahahahaha, don’t worry, we got you covered *casually makes amazing animations for such a crappy movie **
Ayo? What animations you talking about? This is interesting to hear
@@ultrachadstinctgoku7579 i think they mean the fan animatics of the song
@@hastiborhani3492 oh I see
To be honest, I'm still kind of glad they just released it as a demo. They could have easily just have let it rot with the public never even knowing of its existence.
They said it was too dark for kids. When I first watched the movie as a kid, I did not understand that the Onceler was supposed to be a bad person, because the songs were so upbeat
Original idea: *Save the trees for the future of the world, and a bunch of really genial messages for humanity*
The Lorax 2012: *h0rny boe tries to get a tree seed for girl*
are you spanish
i fucking love this man’s editing and sense of humor jesus christ
I hate it.
@@cartoongamegirl3335 cool story
Agreed
@@cartoongamegirl3335 hazbin hotel fan hazbin hotel fan
Yeah, but his opinions are still trash XD
Illumination: bad environment is bad
Also illumination: makes millions of minion plastic bottles
I hate them for not putting this masterpiece (biggering) into the film, this guy was singing with his whole soul the DEMO, so it means it could be better. But no, how but can i be comes in
What makes me sad is this movie covered up the serious message with colourful visuals and goofy characters. The "protagonist" - Ted - doesn't give a shit about trees, he just wants to get the girl.
tbh, it'd be a whole lot better if Ted had an actual reaction and thought and emotion over the world being fucking awful with no trees.
I have this movie play every year at school because of its “message” god help me….
Aah so that's why the Once-ler fandom never died out :O
flex on them by playing biggering
@@sarinabina5487 Imagine the school's pep rally doing this XD
They should play the old hand drawn one instead, I saw it thanks to one of my online classes and it's way better at being realistically morally gray and all.
But I'm not against you using Biggering if you prefer.
@Strawberry Orphan what are you talking about the movie was nothing BUT a cash grab
the love interest was the worst part like man simped so hard he brought back an almost extinct race of trees for a kiss on the cheek
"For every Half-Life there is a Hunt Down The Freeman"
Now this is the kinda lines that seperate cringe "haha randomfunni" reviewers from based ones.
“The aliens are coming, we’ve been compromised” -Pyrocynical
Hunt Down the Freeman's very existence is pointless when Half-Life: Opposing Force exists, a game where you well... Hunt down the Freeman.
The ending of lorax movie is an absolute insult to people who actually know the book or watched that 25 minute special.
The original was too dark though
@@tidepodpadthai2633 they still could have gotten the message across instead of pissing all over it
Imagine this.
The opening number is cheery, but as we go through the movie, we discover that the people signing were more upper class, people who could afford stuff like air. Imagine if as Ted is sneaking out, he sees poor and homeless people, and they are suffering and begging for a bottle of air. It would give us an ACTUAL dystopia, humanize the protagonist, and show just how dangerous corporations can be not only to the environment, but to the people too
another way is that the song at the start is just them faking their happiness bc ohare was coming there and when it finished they would start to cough violently and look miserable
ANOTHER way is to straight up use the demo song and still do the whole coughing thing but this time the entire song was a presentation for o'hare as he was coming to sell the air but then ted asks about the trees, which leads to teds mom taking him out so he stops sayig that to the most powerful man in the town
"Well id probably marry him on the spot"
Zack the Mary Sue: hehe yeah boi
Edit: the reason why i called Zack a Mary Sue is cus during the final song everyone one agreed with him expect the villain He was the bad guy (along side being the bad guy but we ignore that)
I'm pretty sure the term is gary stu when comes to overpowered male characters.
@@johnoconnell5004 I don’t even think we can call Zack a Gary Stu.
@@johnoconnell5004 oh never heard that term but ok
Ur pfp
@@orthoshroud8453what is liking anime a bad thing?
Donkey Kong exists in the Lorax Universe, that means Mario exists too because that was both Mario and Kong's debut game.
Know what that means? Nintendo exists.
Nintendo publishes a game called Legend of Zelda. Guess what? Link appears is Soulcalibur 3. That means the Soul Series exists. Keep that in your head.
Kratos appears in Soulcalibur: Broken Destiny. Kratos is from God of War which is an exclusive to the Playstation by Sony.
Sony exists. Going back to the Playstation and God of War, it got it's start on the PS2.
There is a certain game on PS2 that is from a worse movie.
The Cat in the Hat is a 2003 2.5D platform game for PlayStation 2.
That means Dr. Seuss made the book which was then adapted to film and then into a game.
Dr. Seuss made a little book known as....
_the lorax_
That means they live in a world where their fates are already known. _They know they're not good_
I rest my case.
So what you mean to tell me is that We could have a rap battle between donkey Kong and The Onceler
I thought you were also gonna add Illuminati confirm and Half Life 3 Confirm.
Dude how tf did you cracked the case
Dear god
And by Kratos existing in Playstation All Stars this connects not just that game to Lorax but also by Heihachi Mishima being in that game and in Smash stage/Mii this makes every Smash Franchise and entire Tekken series connected to Lorax who connects with Street Fighter who connects with Marvel who connects with DC WHO MAKE ALL OF THIS CONNECTED TO FORTNITE AND EVERY FRANCHISE IN THAT GAME
This movie to me is like chicken little. I only liked it as a kid cause I grew up with watching both of these movies a lot, but I didn’t realize how bad both of them were until I recently looked back at them. Lorax was actually a lot worse than I thought.
well what's even worse is mainly i did a lil research on chicken little, and uhhhh...., it's gonna be complicated
I feel the same way about this flim.
Bro Chicken Little is a cinematic masterpiece
I just enjoy how 85% of the video is basically 21st century humor.
I just enjoy how 100% of your pfp is 21st century humor
@@frankhorriganfromfallout2 Spy jumpscare (very scary!!!1!1!1!)
@@frankhorriganfromfallout2
I have not seen any real Gen Z memes, only mocks of them. Or i am a pre-Gen Z guy, who encounted IOS Mirror's Edge.
The only saving grace the movie would've had was the biggering song the Once-ler was supposed to sing, but no, Illuminations wanted a meme
no, the Last Airbender movie was the worst adaptation
at least this one TRIED to entertaining, even if just by a small, barely noticeable margin
And at least they pronounced their names correctly
@@amphibiansriseup596 i am aung
@@EffectIdk Fun fact: According to Xiran Jay Zhao, that's actually how you would pronounce that in Mandarin.
Your profile pic is my phone background
@Hollow Donkey Avatar "tried" to do its research lol
Tom & Jerry: Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is the bastardization of Roald Dahl’s Magnum Opus and Illumination’s The Lorax is the bastardization of Dr. Seuss’s Magnum Opus
But Tom and Jerry Chocolate Factory had some funny memes.
I personally think Roald Dahl's Magnum Opus was the Witches. Oh, wait that recently got bastardized too. Poor Dahl. No wonder he had such an anti tv mindset.
I could’ve sworn Seuss’s magnum opus was Cat in the Hat, which was also bastardized and HORRIBLY.
@@justin2308 At least The Cat In The Hat had the advantage of being entertaining because it's basically so bad it's hilarious
At least the facial expressions in the lorax are watchable
*cough*
Bros editing is damaging to my ADHD but I can’t stop watching 😭
8:15 I cannot even begin to tell you how utterly refreshing it was to hear someone FINALLY getting the terminology right and blame corporatism instead of the usual blame thrown at capitalism. That honestly just made my day.
Yeah, you do not know how many people I've seen call The Lorax anti-capitalist, when it's actually its anti-corporate.
WRONG the correct term is anti-consumerism
@@LucarioBot we shall all return to monke, then the corporations shall have no consumers, therefore they will stop existing
@@LucarioBot Correct!
@@f1shyspace all society pales before monke
I remember watching the really old animated version of this back when I was in school. That one was better in every single way.
Maybe I should have watched that instead of the 2012 one in primary.
Hm, at least the new one has a good cast.
5:30 because showing his face is much easier and takes less effort than creatively hiding it.
The Lorax: I’m the worst adaptation ever
The Last Airbender: *P A T H E T I C*
The cat in the hat: *laughs*
Day Z: amateurs
Others: what?
Day Z: AMATEURS!
Mulan 2020, Artemis Fowl 2020, and Cruella 2021: Forgot something?
The Ah-vatar
I’m Ong
Master Eeroh
(Whitewashed Katara and Sokka)
M Night Shaymalan’s downward spiral
Dragonball Evolution: Hold my Chichi.
Death Note Live Action: *Willam Dafoe Ryuk laugh*
Damn lorax is deeper than everyone would think.
Thinking about it, i think i know how they could have made biggering fit the oncler in a relatable way. In the beginning of the movie, before the oncler finds the trees, he's attacked by a bear or something, he swings an axe, but its too small to reach, he goes "I need a bigger axe! I need a bigger axe!" finds he packed one, and somehow manages to drive off the bear. I think this small change would both tie in his need to "bigger" and his disregard for nature nicely
God I love creators like you who edit in the elusive "adhd" format.
Instant sub
“I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees”
“Get back to your country, or I’ll crush your knees.”
I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees.
_For some fucking reason, they’re speaking Vietnamese._
5:52 He doesn't have just the ability to play guitar, he has the ability to play it without connecting it to a speaker
What was the name of the song at the end of the video?
Now that is one rad dude 😎
The only thing good about this movie was "How bad can I possibly be"
Biggering is way better
@@zezao-chan6766 Yup, it’s a shame how bad can I be replaced it. It was really good.
@@zezao-chan6766 it’s even funnier to think even the best part of the movie is outclassed by something else
@@zezao-chan6766 nah
@@whatdidyoujustcallme6242 It is. lol
Having to look at a Onceler cosplayer in 2021 caused me so much physical pain, oh god.
At least we had Danny DeVito in the film. That’s the best we’ve got.
Same
I was only like 6 when the movie was released but seeing the onceler be liked like this hurts
I guess the only upside to me about the onceler is that I like the shade of green his suit is.
@@mememologies7363so you weren't online during the onceler craze...good. he was the Sans of 2012.
@@lotus_flower2001 *shivers remembering solar sands video on the deviantart fanart*
10:39 and the fact a truffula seed was supposed to take 10 years to germinate
Horton Hears a Who by a Blue Sky was a much better Dr.Seuss adaptation
and Green Eggs and Ham
@@kittykittybangbang9367 agreed
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Wait what? When did they get a movie?
@@KAIsibs not a movie a Netflix cartoon, it's really good
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Really? Didn’t know that
Being a fan of Viziepop's creations, I thought I've already seen enough Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss/Zoophobia's memes and jokes to resist when they pop out; but everytime that gif with Charlie dancing and the: "Death to Israel" near pops out of nowhere, I just keep losing the lungs from laughs😂
Jokes apart, I'm with you on this, especially the excuse of love story to motivate the boy, it's not the first time an adaptation has this situation, take Netflix's "Watership Down" series, they took away the scene in wich Fiver alone finds his brother and was trustful in the fact that he was still alive... to give screentime to the girl for a romance story rushed as fuck: they see each other one time and they istantly go with the: "Oh, I knew you would come back for me" and then again, after a few only line of dialogues, they already start to talk like a couple and while someone could argue that rabbits fuck non-stop, yes, they show to have still animal instinct in the books, but there is another love story that is handled well and it's far more realistic and isn't rushed and unnecessary slapped in your face instead of giving space to the protagonists, not to mention that they put it there for the cliché of the weak damsel in distress that needs to be saved before growing up a spine (and there were already strong females characters in the books, the one that is the real mate of the protagonist in the books for example) and change other parts of the plot that could have been modified in less clihcé-filled ways. I'm with you evem on the fact that "Biggering" should have been in the movie, I've seen many animations mixing togheter *perfectly* some of the movie's Oncelor and even some of the one in the book! That makes you angry only 'cause you see that he as a villain had potential and the movie had a really big potential too (just thinking about the many things that could have been changed in something better makes you want to destroy illumination, a bit more of attention especially on the villain and the Oncelor real self and we could have a movie that, even if changing the original plot, can have it in too and be still a good movie).
Now time to watch other reviews from your channel, I admit that I was at first a bit fearful of finding another youtuber that goes for: "I don't like one thing about this movie, so it sucks and who enjoyis it must die of cancer!", you know, it's pretty hard to find someone that doesn't do that and tries to stay as objective as it can, but your "Alpha&Omega"'s revies just hypnotized me (and made me feel a bit ashamed of the board on Pinterest I once created in Lily's honor😂)
Canonically speaking, it makes a lot of sense why Charlie would have a deep contempt for Israel
@@kovacthesaggy4014 because shes based thats all
Based
My favorite joke is the Death to Israel joke and I'm from Israel😂😂😂
TLDR
You gotta admit the animation quality on hazbin was pretty pog my guy
Ah yes, my favorite Dr. Sus character: Trent Reznor
@Ethan Rubi 😂
I love how they made biggering and this song could have saved the whole entire movie but instead nah it's too dark and said they made another song that was pretty lame
bigmac 1014 --- sadly it wouldn't save the movie, since to save it we need to remove the whole """"distopia"""" set-up which is really pointless... and also make The Onceler faceless.
@@falendemo546 yeah
I came here to say, we should have gotten the song biggering
“Worst Adaptation Ever?”
The Last Airbender and Artemis Fowl
World War Z also exists
Yeah, at least if you pretend the Lorax is a Original Movie, it is ok
“one of the worst”
Honestly, I think it’s only slightly not as bad.
@@pashagrisenkovs7927 world war z is a great movie
Usually original material reference is edgy garbage
The only good thing about this movie is that Danny devito voices the lorax
Biggering:"because the customers are buying in the money multiplying in the pr people line in the lawyers are denying who cares if some things are dying I don't want to hear your crying"
Illumination: oh hell no
The fact that DeviantArt chose the Onceler over the Lorax makes me even more pissed off.
It was all over the internet
@@sadtimesalways b-b-but- SHUT UP POOPYHEAD.
@@LegoSkellyDude
Lo-Lorax Ojisan… wh-what are you d-do-doing here ( 💧бшб)👉👈
@@sadtimesalways You better stop right the (VINE BOOM) now
ngl the cosplayer at the beginning is actually really cool and knows full well being a sexy onceler thirst trap is unbelievably cursed but finds it hilarious
9:40 and then they change their names or change their minds (I forget which one) and leave the fucked up place behind but they’ll know they’ll know
I loved Biggering and I still listen to it every now and then. It’d be pretty nice if they remade The Lorax into a musical maybe.
The songs would have a more dark and dismal tone to really make the audience feel the weight of the story’s message
All in for a rock opera adaptation of The Lorax. It has potential
i would fucking love a lorax musical that followed the original story
"she's not some girl!"
"She's a femboy!)
Had me laughing way harder than it should have
Yup, I almost burst out laughing too
I swear to god Dumbsville just makes these videos as a dumping ground every gen z humor meme he has in his camera roll
The amount of Trent Reznor images in this video terrifies me.
@Depth Jacks it was impressive, yet intimidating
Ok, I'm willing to defend illimination's attempts to make the oncler "relatable". Showing the onceler as a person, not the faceless thing we saw in the book and original movie, is an attempt to dispel the myth that all corporates are unrelatable douchbags. You're meant to see yourself within the onceler and see yourself in his decent to villainy. however, since corporate meddleing happened, the entire purpose of giving the onceler a face was shipped to marketing. what a fucking shame.
good point
I agree
So basically Elon Musk?
Yeah, i actually like the idea of giving the onceler a face and making him an everyman before he comes a greed driven villain
i think it would've worked a lot better if they actually took the faceless route after he became successful, showing that this is something that could happen to anyone while also still giving him time to be a normal guy- and o'hare really shouldn't have been there either, because he's played 100% straight and just makes the whole dichotomy worse.
This movie getting popular as of recently says a lot about people’s current tastes.
YEEEEAH
@@notwwwansik and thats not a good thing
I don’t think they liked the movie
Honestly the “that’s a woman” joke was pretty funny
the delivery was good, I think that’s what sold it
it's said by Dany Devito. Of course it's funny
That is the only thing that sticks to me from this.
I heard it, while reading this.
Dumbsville: The LoRAx IS thE wORsT AdAPTatiON EVeR
Meanwhile Percy Jackson movies:
I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you
Aww I like Percy Jackson movies
Meanwhile, romeo and juliet (1996): i am unlimited parallel universes ahead
Haha funny Reddit joke 🤣🤣🤣
@@catcat7910 And I sorta like Lorax movie.
Read the books and you will just feel how bad the movies are
@@evanorizamen3619 iwill
Why once-ler looks more like a rockstar than a vilian😂😂😂😂
🎶HERE COMES THE ROCKSTAR🎶 hahahahahaha!
Joykis are waaaay better than theese
I forgot this movie existed until I saw the memes of it a few years ago.
I even forgot I saw it in the theater
Honestly, when I look back at this, the Once-ler’s face being shown does take away from the ambiguity, but I always thought it was meant to humanize him more, showing that any of us could’ve become the villain in a story like this (though they could’ve done without the guitar and family thing). Other than that, yeah, I guess I always did love the original more than this.
But that’s not a really good idea. Sure anyone could become like the onceler but it’s taking away the face of the actual people.
@@BabyGirlTiny
Honestly it's a double edged sword. To quote Nostalgia Critic though before the Onceler got his personality revealed:
"At the VERY least, they're making him timeless".
Effectively, if in an AU we got a good Lorax movie but the Onceler had a face, one would need his personality to follow the book and be broad enough so that one could fill his shoes - effectively, being relatable in any time period. None of this 'guitar playing' unless its a hobby he's trying to learn. One idea I thought of was an added in line:
The onceler is just a nobody, a guy from a small town just eager to make his mark in the word and finding inspiration in order to achieve said goal. Yes the impact of the original faceless idea of the Onceler is lost, but it would still be respectful to the source material if done right. The trick would be to make it so that despite having a 'face', you could change that face still and the Onceler would still be 'anybody' - and as someone else has stated one could thematically make his face appear less and less (but that would require some expert camerawork / animation to make that work).
But the grave mistake done was giving the Onceler an ACTUAL face; not a general 'one size fits all' face and personality that one could presume could've come from anybody, but some rad 2000s guy playing a guitar being driven by his family to make more money while stating 'oh how bad could I be mang'. It's a damn shame, the idea COULD of worked but it's all corporate and pandering and on the nose.
Hell, the one line I wish they KEPT was the whole argument with the Oncler and Lorax about shutting down his factory: "And what would you have me do, fire all of my workers?" as others have said it was really impressive The Lorax managed to strike a balance of both sides having very valid points, where the conflict wasn't black and white.
Not this film, sadly. This film spat in its face.
that would be fine if they didn’t just make it the family’s fault anyway since they’re the ones who pressure him to start cutting down the trees
That's actually why he DOESN'T have a face in the other adaptations: it's meant to symbolize that he could literally be ANYBODY.
The oncler is like antifa
They give themselves a face so innocent 😇 so no one knows their bullshit but nobody stupid enough to fall for this shite
"This doesnt even make sense on a creatively bankrupt level" is actually a fair statement. You probably could narrow down the story to 3 Character maximum and you dont even have to fully 3D-model and animate one of them. It took more money and effort for them to do this then to do it correctly.
I actually enjoyed this movie when I was in my impressionable years as a kid until I eventually forgot about the movie. The only time I was reminded of the movie was when the "let it die" meme took place. To sum it up, I'd say this movie is forgettable like most animated movies specifically made for children along with the likes of Rio.
Yeah but Rio fucking slaps
I actually like watching Rio
Difference is that rio was somehow *good*
Wait I remember this movie but I completely forgot rio existed. Huh?
@@pennsy6755 I never said that Rio was bad, I am just saying that most kids animated movies are forgettable.
Onceler: i never meant to hurt anybody.
Lorax: no one ever does (gives him choice to shoot lorax or himself)
Seeing Trent Reznor randomly appear on screen twice in the first 3 minutes has made me double over laughing for some reason
As someone who lives in Ohio I can confirm the landscape is on par with the desolate wasteland that is the aftermath of the deforestation in The Lorax
Yeah I live in Toledo and yeah your right
I remember one of the director's actually saying that the Oncelor being given a face and personality is to give off the message that anyone can become the Oncelor because busineessmen and CEOs are still human and can be anyone.
Personally I actually like this decision.
Too bad it's the only thing I like.
To give a counter-argument, I think the original did this way more effectively *by* making him faceless. By making him faceless, you can apply anyone onto him, including yourself. By giving him a face, you're not looking at yourself or a man who you could become, you're looking at a pre-existing pre-baked character, and that dissonance is what ruins the 2012 version of the character for me.
@@dumbsville Understandable.
I'd also like to note that I feel like the movie has also so much more wrong with it when you take into account the context surrounding its development, hypocritical messages, oversimplification of the issues presented in the film and Illumination as whole.
There's stuff like Thneedville which I actually didn't think was that bad an idea but they never go into detail how the fucked up comodified society affects those who can't afford the commodities, or the consequences for the fact they literally need to buy air (there are these two fantastic videos by Drawpinion Dump and The Squad discussing the issues that The Lorax refuses to accept or tackle) or if they have breathing issues for that matter amongst others. It doesn't help that one of the lyrics in 'How Bad Can I Be' is "And the PR people are lying and the lawyers are denying" yet Illumination does literally that in their ad campaigns for the film.
The implications are truly just depressing honestly and only adds to the reasons that this film and Illumination are a garbage fire.
@@thelegendaryman5504 the good citizen does not share his oxygen
@Simple Weirdo oop i'll link it real quick here th-cam.com/video/bZGy8snXrY8/w-d-xo.html
@@dumbsville counterpoint, by not showing a face you turn him in to an entity that may as well doesnt exist. If you can't see him, whose to say he's even real? Most of these evil people aren't faceless,, you see them.. having him hide in the shadows makes it out to be that its just some person hiding in the shadows when thats not true. You don't know who he is so you can say he's real or that he can be anyone because people have faces and you see them.
I remember watching 70s cartoon back in the early 90s, how dark it was, and how sad it made me feel, especially at a time when it was very important to save the environment. This movie just made me feel so grimy.
The theme of the story isn’t to protect the environment. Its to simp as hard as you can, and everything will turn out fine.
The moral lesson is: break as many laws, harm as many people, risk your life and your family's safety; all to get some pussy. That way everything will be okay in the world
I like that one meme that came from the movie where the villain sings, "Let it die. Let it die! Let it shrivel up and die!"
I think this movie has a lot of good ideas and added things to the Lorax like developing the Lorax and Once-Lers relationship. The animation is also amazing and the art looks so Much like Dr Seus. I think the soundtrack like Funeral for a Tree are really good! The problem with this movie is that they completely ruin the whole point with O’Hare. The Once-Ler can be redeemed but O’Hare can’t for doing the same thing. They need trees, but everybody in Thneedvile seems to be doing good with O’Hares air. In conclusion, How Bad Can I Be go brrrr funny song hahahaha
i think the lorax and onceler's friendship could have been better if it was a criticism on corporations that harm the environment lie and say that they actually help it
it could be a sort of fake friendship that is also a metaphor for that, but once the lorax notices this, its too late
he is already biggering (cut song from the lorax 2012)
Dumbsville didn’t add in any sound effects
It’s actual audio clips from him trying to record a commentary while a chaotic party happens in the back
Hazbin Hotel and Metal Gear are to DumbsVille what Breaking Bad and Dark Souls are to Pyrocynical… a fucking goldmine
Very true.
I don’t watch these channels much but are those negatives
You’re so right omg