I disagree, I think it’s a beautiful watch with a good price, I don’t think it’ll hurt Vacheron Constantin. I walked into their boutique and tried the watch on, it is a Vacheron in every way and I loved it.
Nearly 4 years later and the entire FiftySix line (and especially the self-winding) continues to sell well - I love mine. The date window is actually very well executed. The center of the digits is evaluated for each date individually - if you look at the movement shot you see what I mean - the 11 is pushed more to the righ vs 10 and vs 12 so that it looks perfectly centered in the date window aligning perfectly centered with the minute railroad track on the dial. I also like that the font on the date wheel is the exact same of the numerals. That kind of attention to detail is just wonderful. I see the date window as "integrated" rather than pushed out of the way. I love they even put a marker next to it. It's just a complete package and I love wearing that watch.
@@RickyRicon2023 I have the silver dial one, added the bracelet for a sportier look. But currently wear it on the alligator strap in light brown from Vacheron, looks brilliant.
Hello Christian, I think you completely miss the point. This collection is meant to bring a new and younger audience to the brand and it is. The watches were well received at SIHH. Now the Fiftysix selfwinding in steel is the only one that doesn’t use the Geneva hallmark, but it does use the Cartier MC movement with the Vacheron finishing and a hand finished rotor. As for the dial, it’s actually has hand applied white gold markers and hands. The dial is a beautiful two tone sector style dial. The case is conservative, but has mass market appeal. Pricing is great starting at $11,800 and I’m sure there will be discounts to be had making this very attractive. Personally for me this is a great proposition and I’m definitely on board.
Hey man! I totally get the point. But I think part of being one of the 3 most prestigious manufacturers in the worlds also comes along with being able to make no concessions. Me to VC: "wanna be a big shot? Dare be a member of the holy trinity? Then get ready to be help to an incredibly high, uncompromising standard. Because that's part of the deal"
Theo and Harris I completely agree with what you’re saying, however that doesn’t keep the doors open and the lights on especially when your competition is Patek and AP. Also remember VC hasn’t always used the Geneva hallmark on every watch all the time. So this is nothing new. Think about how many people this will bring to the brand.
I think the point was missed in this video. VC hasn't always used Geneva hallmark movements. I also don't think that charging a high price is mandatory to be in the top 3, especially because a brand is trying to spark interest and 11k for a watch is not necessarily accessible. If you look at their history they have always offered a range and were in the Trinity due to achievements not price tag. Also, recommend seeing these watches in person.
IMO, VC did a good job in a time where PP is now increasing 20% of steel Nautilus watches. The esthetics of their new 65 watches are great when you see the actual watch instead of the pictures. Was always want to get a Complete Calendar Complication from a renowned holy trinity brand with a reasonable $23K.
I find most of the points made in the review to actually be quite the opposite. While some may reject VC's new Fifty-Six, I think it will be rewarded by the Market Place over the long run. 1) A Boring watch? Everything about it is actually a very different watch for VC. The watch is very interesting and has a lot of personality. 2.) Vintage styling is wrong? While it may be different than VC's plain styles, it has a conservative, familiar look to it, that one would expect of a watch in this class. I find it to be in the same vein as a Patek Calatrava, and it should also hold up well over time. 3) Movement is "in house" to the Group, but not proprietary to VC? Somewhat against the trend, but shouldn't really be an issue. While it is sourced from Cartier, and finished at VC, this is what AP, PP and VC have been doing with sourced movements from JLC, Frederique Piguet, and Lemania on high-end models for many years. 4 ) Movement doesn't have a Geneva seal? Well, neither do many fine brands, including PP and AP. Quality standards are evolving and the Geneva Seal is not as important as it once was. 5) Case is stainless Steel? Yes, but it is still available in Gold, if it makes you feel better to pay more. But, steel has been offered in far more high end brands for decades, and is no longer really anything to criticize. Royal Oak, Nautilaus, VS Overseas all offer SS at much higher prices. 6) Price is too low for the Brand and type of watch? You could just as easily argue that similar brands and watches' prices have escalated out of control and are now too high! This watch is almost twice the price of the closest thing at Richemont, the Jaeger Lecoultre Master Control, so it's not exactly bargain pricing. In any case, most people would consider anything over $10K to be ultra luxury pricing. At $12K in steel, the fifty-six in 18K gold is a 50% premium at $19K, as to be expected. So the pricing seems to fit within the ultra luxury range.
I have to say that on this one I disagree and you got the name of the watches wrong.😉 The blue dial versions are particularly beautiful modern luxury watches every bit a VC.
Vacheron has been out-hustling everyone short of Lange in the past few years when it comes to innovative, high-end watches, and they still aren't the byword for luxury that Patek and AP have become. If AP can be the talk of the music industry for selling a $21,000 steel time-only watch, Vacheron can put their Traditionelle movements in spruced up Seiko cases and make their way back into the public consciousness. The FiftySix triple calendar almost competes with the Patek 5205, stylistically, and it's a much stronger design to contest Patek on than the overcrowded steel sports watch category.
Sometimes i find these rants are the episodes i turn off. Personal bias can go a long way my friend, and these watches were incredibly well recieved at SIHH. This line is an answer to a need for more accessible price points from the holy trinity. This means some sacrifices for fit and finishing along the way. The same design cues you bash on this watch, you have praised on others (attempting a modern take on vintage, etc) and I think you should save the "hard" opinions for watches you've at least seen in the metal. Thank you for the content regardless! Still a big fan.
Love Theo and Harris but he is off the mark on this. These watches are great and needed for VC. Theo and Harris hating this. What is a Vintage Rolex Watch - BORING!
Well of course buy what makes you happy. The FiftySix line from sihh2018 is actually really nice and beautifully finished pieces. Geneva hallmark stamps starts from the Day-date complication but unfortunately not with the date only complication but I don’t see the difference though. Here in OZ the day-date is retail for 25,600$aud but need to haggle to get the best price. Disagree with your thoughts.
I am not sure about the price being deemed as "cheap" but the design of these watches are beautiful and elegant. I would buy one in a heart beat if I could afford it. They are definitely better looking than the Patek Calatrava (boring to say the least) in my opinion. The holy trinity should be Vacheron, Blancpain, and Breguet!
I love the design aspect of the fifty six but I agree it does tread on some dangerous grounds. For me the holy trinity should be Patek, Lange, and Vacheron. The AP Royal oak is an amazing watch but that’s not enough to earn a spot in the trinity. Jaeger-LeCoultre would make it in before AP
Matthew Jobe Lange and son's. Ar not Swiss(and don't belong in there that are better than the 3) and jeager.... Have been making movements for all 3 at some point. So just a houllier 3neti? But I don't know who to put in as the. Actually how was the name of that Japanese ... ?
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion however I firmly and respectfully could not disagree any more with what you have said. It's a GREAT watch and a greaet move by VC. As a lover of horology to be able to attain a watch from the holy trinity is an honour. Most would never otherwise consider buying this watch. The reality is most people that don't give a damn about movements, top finishes and heritage won't really buy this anyway (and that's 90 percent of the watch buyers that make a bit of money and buy a Rolex) Therefore whoever purchases this likely knows watches and respects VC. The idea that lower price (lets be fair, over 10k still lol) would somehow mess with VC's reputation is absurd. As for looks; looks amazing. The finish is amazing. Great move all around. Will definitely consider buying one.
I think they are going the right way! Nearly 50% of the american market is ruled by the crown and there is no holy trinity watch that was even near the price of a standard Rolex. The cheapest vc‘s patrimony or overseas are at about 15000 Euros at the moment and if I think about Rolex you can start at the same amount of money for the cellini if you want to go classic. And when the 1956 is at about 10-11000 euros it’s the more ,,horological“ respected choice, can’t go wrong with that. They have to get some more pieces of the cake to stay in a safe position. Letting Rolex rule the market and not responding could be a big mistake for vc and even every other brand
Always appreciate your opinions. But personally, this VC Fifty Six, was the best at SIHH, from what I have seen. To me, this would be the next step up for someone who has a few JLCs, or Cartier, or GP, or Piaget...could be brilliant.
I agree, not a smart move from VC imo. However you completely missed the fact that the cheapest model, the automatic with date, uses a Cartier movement and is NOT their usual in-house automatic, and is NOT a geneva seal movement. Geneva seal and VC usually go hand-in-hand, so it's a mistake to offer a model that isn't up to geneva seal quality imo. (The triple cal and day/date/pr all use VC's in-house geneva seal movements)
"I don't like the date window, but the movements look quite nice" wow.. what an amazing and professional review. Not even mentioning the Poinçon de Genève?? What a waste of time.
You are both correct and wrong in my view. VC needs to be very careful making cheaper watches, but at the same time, they are fishing for new clients in, in my view. as you said yourself, they are bridging the gap between 10,000 and 20,000 USD + segment. I myself, currently in the approx 10,000 USD watch price segment would rather by a 12-13,000 USD VC then have to jump to 20-30,000 USD +. Ease in......I think VC could ave pulled off a brilliant move here. Lure us into the brand with a 12-13,000 USD watch, knowing we will take the leap to the "normal" paced VC watches a few years later......I am sold.......
I think in a vacuum this is a nice entry into the Holy Trinity. Whee it falls apart for me is when you look at Lange, for $3000 more you get a watch that is arguably better finished, and in solid gold. While it is a nice watch, I feel if I was looking at a Holy Trinity tier watch, I would want the classic elements that the trinity is known for such as precious metal cases. This watch feels like you're getting an expensive JLC while the Lange feels like you're getting a Patek at an incredible price
The fact that you didn't even knew the name, means you hardly knew anything about this watch before expressing your singular opinion. I'm happy you don't do this too often.
It’s a Vacheron. Period. He should listen to Tim Mosso speak about this watch, Tim’s assessment is so balanced and gives a better perspective. The fact that until fairly recently, VC and other “holy trinity “ brands were outsourcing movements tells you all you need to know. I think k the move was a good one as it can bring people into the brand that before, couldn’t. It a well finished and lovely piece. I’d love to own the blue dial version, it’s a stunning watch.
You said 65 not 56, did it over and over, and didn't even catch or correct it via a text block in post. Really? You seem to be creating controversy where none exists. Honestly I find Rolex pretty bland and boring, and certainly not worth the price. I have a dress watch and a diver (Omega DeVille and Seamaster 300) and right now I am looking for a dressy but sporty watch in the $5K to $10K range. I've narrowed it to JLC, Omega (Aqua Terra or Railmaster), and VC. FYI, if you saw one of these from the "Fifty Six" collection in person (especially the blue dial) you might have a different opinion, or at the very least a more educated one.
This will definitely hurt the brand! I don’t believe the movements are completely VC either. They look like cheap versions of the JLC ‘sector dials’ released last year and an old JLC triple calendar. The problem is the JLC’s are aesthetically leaps and bounds ahead and styled correctly! Oh - and less than half the price... VC has fucked up big time! Time for them and AP to leave the holy trinity. A Lange + Sohne IN along with FP Journe. Nice vid bro 👍🏻
I agree with those who think Piaget doesn't belong there, to me both Breguet and JLC are more impressive and deserving of such acclaim. Good video as usual, by the way. Oh, you need to ask Vaynerchuk if he'd ever consider coming on for Friday liquor run and doing a wine/watch review combo. Bet he'd do it.
Wear what works best for you. If someones budget is £11k - can they really find a rolex/AP/Patek... not really. Fifty six allows someone aspirational to buy into the brand and then work their way upwards. Most of the top 3 watch brands are unattainable in terms of price for most people. Geeks like us can keep gushing all we want but to pay for these watches out of paychecks can be a hard deal. I see fifty six as a chance to own a piece of history at not so cheap price. I honestly laugh when people say £11k is entry level and doesnt offer much. A gold manual wound Cartier Louis retails nearly for £10k and people go GA GA over it. Best to buy watches one loves. Till today there has not been a perfect watch and there never will be. Keep up good work. Always great to see new perspective.
Great Topic! I believe VC made this move because they are not competing well with AP and Patek, whether it's selling of watches to marketing...or perhaps, like you said, they want to offer a watch to cater to another clientele. Usually when a manufacture does this they cut corners (e.g., metal, components, quality). What I'm struggling with is this line better than a lower priced line, such as the JLC - Master Control models for half the price. I'm inclined to say no. Cheers, Mike K
I agree with what you said, Christian. My grails for now are either the small seconds Traditionnelle or the Overseas time and date. I don't think I would settle for one from the Fifty-Six collection...
I’d take an A. Lange Sohne over any of the Trinity. I think the only thing Lange is missing is a modern sports piece in the same vein as the Nautilus or Royal Oak. On a slightly different subject, how come the water resistance rating on these high end luxury sports watch non-existent?
These Vacheron watches prolly help the bottom-line but hurt the reputation long-term IMO. They feel like the first Trinity piece that you’d enjoy but inevitably sell later on when you get a “true” Trinity piece. Also, nothing in these screams VC. If you put a different brand stamp on those dials, many wouldn’t look out of place...
Not a big fan of the sixty five but damn that fifty six is delicious. Non sure I've seen any pieces from 'addamar pickkay' l will have to check them out. Just a heads up they aren't designed to speak loudly. Do a little history on vacheron. Not one of your better videos.
While I don't entirely agree with you, I do like the direction of the discussion. I'm fond of the Complete Calendar version, but I think its because I like the overall look without focusing on the windows.
Agree that there’s avoid to fill between Rolex and the Trinity. But there are better alternatives. The obvious one is JLC. Or a used Overseas. And yes also Polo S and Laureato: Both have in-house movements.. one can argue the design and aesthetics but you can get them on the grey market with good discounts so the value prop is there.
today I wore a Nivada Grenchen Antarctic Chronometer. A 60 year old gem of a watch with mint dial and solid gold logo on the case back . Found it at a pawn shop for 50.00 . Why do people spend crazy money on these over priced trinkets ? A good ETA movement will last a few lifetimes .
I think the entry level 56 is the main offender here. The fact that there is such a difference in the movement compared to the other models is embarrassing. Yes it’s relatively cheap (in steel), but what I’m saying is that they either shouldn’t sell it to begin with, or to bump up the movement and the price accordingly.
The Holy Trinity is just pure nonsense. When you compare what the likes of JLC does it makes no sense at all. Are people meaning that price is the deciding factor in the trinity or do they mean quality.
@@dlhussain81 A solid gold Master control will be not far of the price of a Patek Calatrava. And will be built to a very high end standard. The Holy Trinity of watches is nonsense.
bighand69 you clearly have not been able to compare JLC against AP/PP/VC. The difference in cost of these watches is due to the finishing of the movements. There’s a reason the JLC is much cheaper, it’s machine finished whilst the ‘trinity’ are finished to a higher level and by hand.
I actually like that date, a no Rolex don't do it I for one really like the cheapest one and the date been not to viable is one of the reasons I do, but it's too early to tell I don't know if I really like some things I until I get to see them " in the metal" but any way for now I have to get myself together I figured out how to get that Piaget from you I know I really like and miss it ever since It was not in the safe when I got home ( and some other stuff wasn't but good those idiots did have brains and left the expensive stuff so I have a puls I guess.
Its ok, the first vc watch date is not too bad, can be better, u will grow to like it over time, u r too biased on vc, the price level is definitely attractive to new young collectors. Maybe u need to hold it in yr hands to really see the real value of it.....dont be so negative, its a vintage classic look overall.... ;)
Time only 3 hand watch does not have a geneve seal. It jus just a JLC basically at this price that costs 2x as much. No value added to this entry level model.
Please do your research before publishing. You don't seem to know the source of the base movement in the base model. The other two models are proper VC movements and Geneva Seal, the base is neither.
By sheer coincidence, I strapped on and wound my vintage Vacheron & Constantin dress watch, delightfully purchased from the watch shop at theoandharris.com, before discovering and starting this video.
VC has built stainless steel cased 3 handers as 'basic' watches for decades. If you were actually a watch person and not an influencer, you'd know all about how the FiftySix is the modern 7592. Although I bet if Patek brought back the stainless steel Ref. 96 you and every other social influencer would cash every check you get to talk about how awesome it is. Boring? VC must not pay.
For much cheaper you could by a Jaquet Droz Grande Seconde Quantieme, that has a much nicer look! Specially, as the time and date Vacheron does not have an in-house caliber, it uses a JLC movement. Best, Fernando
Best review! Although this would have been my holy grail watch over my Rolex, I simply can’t get past the mismatched and wider 6 and 8 applied numerals, the generic position of the date and last, that funky 6 script. Dang...
The rarest verisons in steel will go up in value ;) the things people the least notice will go up in value ;) Daytona a no person watch until... you know ;D today worth 12100 euro :D
I think it's an introduction to VC (an introduction peice and price goes hand in hand with the reputation of this brand ) . It is not perfect , and i do agree a 6 date window would have been better but attracting younger buyer is important for their future and survivability. Trinity watches are not affordable and for a price conscious buyer ,every dollar counts . That being said , not all watches are perfect (depending on individual taste ) . I do not like AP (never did) , and i would get an Lang over a Patek (but thats just me). I find the VC simple and clean (too clean (even with complications) for the higher 2 models of the trio), what i do not understand is the reviews (looks not price) on the master control date sector dial and th VC 56 date are on opposite ends of the spectrum while i do think they look similar (cleaner finish for the VC ) , i like them both (except for the date window) . How can 2 similar watches get opposite reviews on looks ?
I watch all of your episodes, but never comment. My compliments for your achievement, your service to the industry, and your sense of taste and style. My personal opinion on VC is this; Vacheron is committing suicide. They've been doing it by inches over the last decade. Vacheron has lost its sense of self identity. This is my message to Vacheron. You are the oldest and most tradional in the Trinity. Do what you do best. Your Overseas will never beat the Oak on design or the NMautilus in cache. Your 56 is a JLC master control, "warmed over". You don't Need a transitional watch. Your brand identity should be Expensive, Exclusive, Old World Unattainable. Expand the Historiques collection. Do more with ultrathin. Go after the Finissimo. Do more jewels, tourbillons, equations of time, etc... Bring back pocket watches, thin and both simple and complications. Only precious metals. Do it or die. PS. Don't let Richemont throw you under the bus for Lange.
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56 is boring? So says the man wearing a DJ...
good point :D
Actually he said he finds the 65 boring.
A. B. Nah he wasn’t talking about the Royal Oak
@A. B. DJ the best watch ever made? bhahahhahahhahahhahahahahhahhahahahhahahhahaa BHAhhahahahhahhaahahha
His alternatives are all nearly twice the price like $10k is chump change
I disagree, I think it’s a beautiful watch with a good price, I don’t think it’ll hurt Vacheron Constantin. I walked into their boutique and tried the watch on, it is a Vacheron in every way and I loved it.
Is it well available?
@@L.Cortens Yes as far as I know
Here to tell you that you're still wrong about the FiftySix.
Nearly 4 years later and the entire FiftySix line (and especially the self-winding) continues to sell well - I love mine. The date window is actually very well executed. The center of the digits is evaluated for each date individually - if you look at the movement shot you see what I mean - the 11 is pushed more to the righ vs 10 and vs 12 so that it looks perfectly centered in the date window aligning perfectly centered with the minute railroad track on the dial. I also like that the font on the date wheel is the exact same of the numerals. That kind of attention to detail is just wonderful. I see the date window as "integrated" rather than pushed out of the way. I love they even put a marker next to it. It's just a complete package and I love wearing that watch.
which color do you have ?
@@RickyRicon2023 I have the silver dial one, added the bracelet for a sportier look. But currently wear it on the alligator strap in light brown from Vacheron, looks brilliant.
@@koolpep I did the same to mine. The bracelet is unbelievably well built and looks good on this watch.
I actually love the look of those watches. elegant, simple and beautiful
Comparing to Nomos.. seriously? Whatever. They are beautiful watches. Well done VC.
You can't judge the FiftySix from looking at pictures. On the wrist, it exudes the VC class and style. It is very impressive in person.
Hello Christian, I think you completely miss the point. This collection is meant to bring a new and younger audience to the brand and it is. The watches were well received at SIHH. Now the Fiftysix selfwinding in steel is the only one that doesn’t use the Geneva hallmark, but it does use the Cartier MC movement with the Vacheron finishing and a hand finished rotor. As for the dial, it’s actually has hand applied white gold markers and hands. The dial is a beautiful two tone sector style dial. The case is conservative, but has mass market appeal. Pricing is great starting at $11,800 and I’m sure there will be discounts to be had making this very attractive. Personally for me this is a great proposition and I’m definitely on board.
Hey man! I totally get the point. But I think part of being one of the 3 most prestigious manufacturers in the worlds also comes along with being able to make no concessions. Me to VC: "wanna be a big shot? Dare be a member of the holy trinity? Then get ready to be help to an incredibly high, uncompromising standard. Because that's part of the deal"
Theo and Harris I completely agree with what you’re saying, however that doesn’t keep the doors open and the lights on especially when your competition is Patek and AP. Also remember VC hasn’t always used the Geneva hallmark on every watch all the time. So this is nothing new. Think about how many people this will bring to the brand.
I totally agree with you!!! Instead of trying to steal customers from patek and AP etc, they're trying to create new ones. And thats a great idea!!
I think the point was missed in this video. VC hasn't always used Geneva hallmark movements. I also don't think that charging a high price is mandatory to be in the top 3, especially because a brand is trying to spark interest and 11k for a watch is not necessarily accessible. If you look at their history they have always offered a range and were in the Trinity due to achievements not price tag. Also, recommend seeing these watches in person.
IMO, VC did a good job in a time where PP is now increasing 20% of steel Nautilus watches. The esthetics of their new 65 watches are great when you see the actual watch instead of the pictures. Was always want to get a Complete Calendar Complication from a renowned holy trinity brand with a reasonable $23K.
I find most of the points made in the review to actually be quite the opposite. While some may reject VC's new Fifty-Six, I think it will be rewarded by the Market Place over the long run.
1) A Boring watch? Everything about it is actually a very different watch for VC. The watch is very interesting and has a lot of personality.
2.) Vintage styling is wrong? While it may be different than VC's plain styles, it has a conservative, familiar look to it, that one would expect of a watch in this class. I find it to be in the same vein as a Patek Calatrava, and it should also hold up well over time.
3) Movement is "in house" to the Group, but not proprietary to VC? Somewhat against the trend, but shouldn't really be an issue. While it is sourced from Cartier, and finished at VC, this is what AP, PP and VC have been doing with sourced movements from JLC, Frederique Piguet, and Lemania on high-end models for many years.
4 ) Movement doesn't have a Geneva seal? Well, neither do many fine brands, including PP and AP. Quality standards are evolving and the Geneva Seal is not as important as it once was.
5) Case is stainless Steel? Yes, but it is still available in Gold, if it makes you feel better to pay more. But, steel has been offered in far more high end brands for decades, and is no longer really anything to criticize. Royal Oak, Nautilaus, VS Overseas all offer SS at much higher prices.
6) Price is too low for the Brand and type of watch? You could just as easily argue that similar brands and watches' prices have escalated out of control and are now too high! This watch is almost twice the price of the closest thing at Richemont, the Jaeger Lecoultre Master Control, so it's not exactly bargain pricing. In any case, most people would consider anything over $10K to be ultra luxury pricing. At $12K in steel, the fifty-six in 18K gold is a 50% premium at $19K, as to be expected. So the pricing seems to fit within the ultra luxury range.
@@MPD90 source from?
@@MPD90 Gotcha, thanks. A dressy watch doesn’t really need 100m wr imo, though I agree 30m isn’t a lot.
@@MPD90 yea I feel ya. Though I like to wear dress watches like the Traditionnelle manual winding in a casual way
After 3 years we can say it’s a succes, and a Beauty on the wrist. Chapeau, VC!
4 years later, you can't find one in store. It's a long waiting list and its price is appreciating as time goes on.
You talk a lot...without saying much...get your partner on....it will be much better....
I have to say that on this one I disagree and you got the name of the watches wrong.😉
The blue dial versions are particularly beautiful modern luxury watches every bit a VC.
I too disagree, I own this watch in the blue and It's one of my favorites
Hold one in your hands and reshoot this video. Bizarre to hear a criticism of a watch when you can't even get the name right, so unprofessional.
Please tell me where I can get an AP RO 15300 for $13k. Even a year ago - when this video was filmed - dream on...
Yeah well...
Wholesale, as a dealer. Like most of these "youtube experts" are....
He’s high - Forgive him- wasted my 5 mins -
Vacheron has been out-hustling everyone short of Lange in the past few years when it comes to innovative, high-end watches, and they still aren't the byword for luxury that Patek and AP have become. If AP can be the talk of the music industry for selling a $21,000 steel time-only watch, Vacheron can put their Traditionelle movements in spruced up Seiko cases and make their way back into the public consciousness.
The FiftySix triple calendar almost competes with the Patek 5205, stylistically, and it's a much stronger design to contest Patek on than the overcrowded steel sports watch category.
Love the fifty six. Good job vacheron
Do you own a piece from VC?
Hard to speak to the emotional connection with a piece if you’ve never owned one
“Scared”
Sometimes i find these rants are the episodes i turn off. Personal bias can go a long way my friend, and these watches were incredibly well recieved at SIHH. This line is an answer to a need for more accessible price points from the holy trinity. This means some sacrifices for fit and finishing along the way. The same design cues you bash on this watch, you have praised on others (attempting a modern take on vintage, etc) and I think you should save the "hard" opinions for watches you've at least seen in the metal. Thank you for the content regardless! Still a big fan.
Love Theo and Harris but he is off the mark on this. These watches are great and needed for VC. Theo and Harris hating this. What is a Vintage Rolex Watch - BORING!
Well of course buy what makes you happy. The FiftySix line from sihh2018 is actually really nice and beautifully finished pieces. Geneva hallmark stamps starts from the Day-date complication but unfortunately not with the date only complication but I don’t see the difference though. Here in OZ the day-date is retail for 25,600$aud but need to haggle to get the best price. Disagree with your thoughts.
Did you say “Sixty Five” collection ? Lol
I am not sure about the price being deemed as "cheap" but the design of these watches are beautiful and elegant. I would buy one in a heart beat if I could afford it. They are definitely better looking than the Patek Calatrava (boring to say the least) in my opinion. The holy trinity should be Vacheron, Blancpain, and Breguet!
I love the design aspect of the fifty six but I agree it does tread on some dangerous grounds. For me the holy trinity should be Patek, Lange, and Vacheron. The AP Royal oak is an amazing watch but that’s not enough to earn a spot in the trinity. Jaeger-LeCoultre would make it in before AP
Matthew Jobe Lange and son's. Ar not Swiss(and don't belong in there that are better than the 3) and jeager.... Have been making movements for all 3 at some point. So just a houllier 3neti? But I don't know who to put in as the. Actually how was the name of that Japanese ... ?
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion however I firmly and respectfully could not disagree any more with what you have said. It's a GREAT watch and a greaet move by VC.
As a lover of horology to be able to attain a watch from the holy trinity is an honour. Most would never otherwise consider buying this watch.
The reality is most people that don't give a damn about movements, top finishes and heritage won't really buy this anyway (and that's 90 percent of the watch buyers that make a bit of money and buy a Rolex) Therefore whoever purchases this likely knows watches and respects VC. The idea that lower price (lets be fair, over 10k still lol) would somehow mess with VC's reputation is absurd.
As for looks; looks amazing. The finish is amazing.
Great move all around.
Will definitely consider buying one.
I think they are going the right way! Nearly 50% of the american market is ruled by the crown and there is no holy trinity watch that was even near the price of a standard Rolex. The cheapest vc‘s patrimony or overseas are at about 15000 Euros at the moment and if I think about Rolex you can start at the same amount of money for the cellini if you want to go classic. And when the 1956 is at about 10-11000 euros it’s the more ,,horological“ respected choice, can’t go wrong with that. They have to get some more pieces of the cake to stay in a safe position. Letting Rolex rule the market and not responding could be a big mistake for vc and even every other brand
This is the same guy who said “iPad? It sits between a laptop and an iphone, doesn’t make any sense”
This might be the worst review of a watch I have ever seen.
I agree. This is just wrong. He is wrong. VC hit it out if the park. Nothing like this fir any brand
Always appreciate your opinions. But personally, this VC Fifty Six, was the best at SIHH, from what I have seen. To me, this would be the next step up for someone who has a few JLCs, or Cartier, or GP, or Piaget...could be brilliant.
Laurent Ferrier did an amazing job as well, in my humble opinion.
I agree, not a smart move from VC imo. However you completely missed the fact that the cheapest model, the automatic with date, uses a Cartier movement and is NOT their usual in-house automatic, and is NOT a geneva seal movement. Geneva seal and VC usually go hand-in-hand, so it's a mistake to offer a model that isn't up to geneva seal quality imo. (The triple cal and day/date/pr all use VC's in-house geneva seal movements)
P Bero Vacheron hasn’t always used the Geneva Seal on all there watches, so this is nothing new for them.
yeah don't think they need advice from you lol
"I don't like the date window, but the movements look quite nice" wow.. what an amazing and professional review. Not even mentioning the Poinçon de Genève?? What a waste of time.
Well it does in the two elevated versions. Day date and complete calendar
What should I buy as a dress watch between 7 and 10 k , who are the main players in this area?
I also disagree, I like the 56 series of watches.. especially the triple calendar as well as their entry-level 56 3 hander.
You are both correct and wrong in my view. VC needs to be very careful making cheaper watches, but at the same time, they are fishing for new clients in, in my view. as you said yourself, they are bridging the gap between 10,000 and 20,000 USD + segment. I myself, currently in the approx 10,000 USD watch price segment would rather by a 12-13,000 USD VC then have to jump to 20-30,000 USD +. Ease in......I think VC could ave pulled off a brilliant move here. Lure us into the brand with a 12-13,000 USD watch, knowing we will take the leap to the "normal" paced VC watches a few years later......I am sold.......
Every time I see this collection, all I think is that you’re better off getting a JLC Master Control Sector Dial.
if you have both in hand the VC is far and away nicer. The JLC has a painted dial, the FiftySix is applied numerals... it's in another league.
Christian totally made the type 1 just to match blue dial watches like his date just.
I think in a vacuum this is a nice entry into the Holy Trinity. Whee it falls apart for me is when you look at Lange, for $3000 more you get a watch that is arguably better finished, and in solid gold. While it is a nice watch, I feel if I was looking at a Holy Trinity tier watch, I would want the classic elements that the trinity is known for such as precious metal cases.
This watch feels like you're getting an expensive JLC while the Lange feels like you're getting a Patek at an incredible price
Ryan Crumpler have you ever owned a VC or a PP? I don’t think you have otherwise you wouldn’t be making such comments
What Lang is 3k.mors than 11k lolz
@@contaygious saxonia thin 37mm? The movement looks amazing in person, classic dress watch.
The fact that you didn't even knew the name, means you hardly knew anything about this watch before expressing your singular opinion. I'm happy you don't do this too often.
I like the look. I like the Patek perpetual calendar but dont want to drop 60k. it's a good alternative without the downside of precious metals.
It’s a Vacheron. Period. He should listen to Tim Mosso speak about this watch, Tim’s assessment is so balanced and gives a better perspective. The fact that until fairly recently, VC and other “holy trinity “ brands were outsourcing movements tells you all you need to know. I think k the move was a good one as it can bring people into the brand that before, couldn’t. It a well finished and lovely piece. I’d love to own the blue dial version, it’s a stunning watch.
You said 65 not 56, did it over and over, and didn't even catch or correct it via a text block in post. Really? You seem to be creating controversy where none exists. Honestly I find Rolex pretty bland and boring, and certainly not worth the price. I have a dress watch and a diver (Omega DeVille and Seamaster 300) and right now I am looking for a dressy but sporty watch in the $5K to $10K range. I've narrowed it to JLC, Omega (Aqua Terra or Railmaster), and VC. FYI, if you saw one of these from the "Fifty Six" collection in person (especially the blue dial) you might have a different opinion, or at the very least a more educated one.
Disagree, if they put the date at the bottom of the dial, it would take the place of 6 o'clock index. It is best where it is.
This will definitely hurt the brand! I don’t believe the movements are completely VC either. They look like cheap versions of the JLC ‘sector dials’ released last year and an old JLC triple calendar. The problem is the JLC’s are aesthetically leaps and bounds ahead and styled correctly! Oh - and less than half the price... VC has fucked up big time! Time for them and AP to leave the holy trinity. A Lange + Sohne IN along with FP Journe. Nice vid bro 👍🏻
The date one has a JLC movement. The other 2 are VC movements.
I agree with those who think Piaget doesn't belong there, to me both Breguet and JLC are more impressive and deserving of such acclaim. Good video as usual, by the way. Oh, you need to ask Vaynerchuk if he'd ever consider coming on for Friday liquor run and doing a wine/watch review combo. Bet he'd do it.
rolse gold rotor is essential considering JLC master control sector dial has it at less than half the price.
These remind me of a few Longines pieces that are under 1/5th of the price. They're nice, but lack a bit of creativity
Beautiful or not is very personal. I think this is even more beautiful than PP. The only criticism is it didn't even pass COSC certification....
COSC costs money to certify.
Wear what works best for you. If someones budget is £11k - can they really find a rolex/AP/Patek... not really.
Fifty six allows someone aspirational to buy into the brand and then work their way upwards.
Most of the top 3 watch brands are unattainable in terms of price for most people. Geeks like us can keep gushing all we want but to pay for these watches out of paychecks can be a hard deal. I see fifty six as a chance to own a piece of history at not so cheap price. I honestly laugh when people say £11k is entry level and doesnt offer much.
A gold manual wound Cartier Louis retails nearly for £10k and people go GA GA over it.
Best to buy watches one loves. Till today there has not been a perfect watch and there never will be.
Keep up good work. Always great to see new perspective.
Great Topic! I believe VC made this move because they are not competing well with AP and Patek, whether it's selling of watches to marketing...or perhaps, like you said, they want to offer a watch to cater to another clientele. Usually when a manufacture does this they cut corners (e.g., metal, components, quality). What I'm struggling with is this line better than a lower priced line, such as the JLC - Master Control models for half the price. I'm inclined to say no. Cheers, Mike K
I agree with what you said, Christian. My grails for now are either the small seconds Traditionnelle or the Overseas time and date. I don't think I would settle for one from the Fifty-Six collection...
I’d take an A. Lange Sohne over any of the Trinity. I think the only thing Lange is missing is a modern sports piece in the same vein as the Nautilus or Royal Oak. On a slightly different subject, how come the water resistance rating on these high end luxury sports watch non-existent?
These Vacheron watches prolly help the bottom-line but hurt the reputation long-term IMO. They feel like the first Trinity piece that you’d enjoy but inevitably sell later on when you get a “true” Trinity piece. Also, nothing in these screams VC. If you put a different brand stamp on those dials, many wouldn’t look out of place...
Not a big fan of the sixty five but damn that fifty six is delicious. Non sure I've seen any pieces from 'addamar pickkay' l will have to check them out. Just a heads up they aren't designed to speak loudly. Do a little history on vacheron. Not one of your better videos.
...and please put more empty bottles behind you next time. Looks classy..
While I don't entirely agree with you, I do like the direction of the discussion. I'm fond of the Complete Calendar version, but I think its because I like the overall look without focusing on the windows.
Agree that there’s avoid to fill between Rolex and the Trinity. But there are better alternatives. The obvious one is JLC. Or a used Overseas.
And yes also Polo S and Laureato: Both have in-house movements.. one can argue the design and aesthetics but you can get them on the grey market with good discounts so the value prop is there.
today I wore a Nivada Grenchen Antarctic Chronometer.
A 60 year old gem of a watch with mint dial and solid gold logo on the case back . Found it at a pawn shop for 50.00 . Why do people spend crazy money on these over priced trinkets ? A good ETA movement will last a few lifetimes .
what about PP aquanaut? its similar price, but I do not think so its destroing brand it self. you just do not like design.
is it better than the NOMOS though ? why ?
Love my 56 with the silver dial. On a brown ostrich strap it's awesome.
I think the entry level 56 is the main offender here. The fact that there is such a difference in the movement compared to the other models is embarrassing. Yes it’s relatively cheap (in steel), but what I’m saying is that they either shouldn’t sell it to begin with, or to bump up the movement and the price accordingly.
That flash of the Nomos Club looked impressive in comparison!
The Holy Trinity is just pure nonsense.
When you compare what the likes of JLC does it makes no sense at all. Are people meaning that price is the deciding factor in the trinity or do they mean quality.
bighand69 comparing JLC to AP/PP/VC? What are you smoking????
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A solid gold Master control will be not far of the price of a Patek Calatrava. And will be built to a very high end standard.
The Holy Trinity of watches is nonsense.
bighand69 you clearly have not been able to compare JLC against AP/PP/VC. The difference in cost of these watches is due to the finishing of the movements. There’s a reason the JLC is much cheaper, it’s machine finished whilst the ‘trinity’ are finished to a higher level and by hand.
Unfortunately my girlfriend uses that same movie quote all too often.
I find them appealing, just me.
jpaulvp the triple calendar is perfect
It's a triple spilt from lange - double spilt was literally more than a decade ago
I will agree with the date, but I really like the triple date.
Hope this guy enjoys his old ass DJ. The small one fits big on his wrists
I actually like that date, a no Rolex don't do it I for one really like the cheapest one and the date been not to viable is one of the reasons I do, but it's too early to tell I don't know if I really like some things I until I get to see them " in the metal" but any way for now I have to get myself together I figured out how to get that Piaget from you I know I really like and miss it ever since It was not in the safe when I got home ( and some other stuff wasn't but good those idiots did have brains and left the expensive stuff so I have a puls I guess.
Christian, you have my watch on. The only difference is the hour markers are wider than mine. I also have mine on a tan crocodile strap. Too funny .
Its ok, the first vc watch date is not too bad, can be better, u will grow to like it over time, u r too biased on vc, the price level is definitely attractive to new young collectors. Maybe u need to hold it in yr hands to really see the real value of it.....dont be so negative, its a vintage classic look overall.... ;)
Triple split
Except just realized mine is two tone. Missed that detail.
Time only 3 hand watch does not have a geneve seal. It jus just a JLC basically at this price that costs 2x as much. No value added to this entry level model.
I find the FIFTYSIX very appealing as a guy who's currently owning Omega & Rolex. Seriously considering it
Please do your research before publishing. You don't seem to know the source of the base movement in the base model. The other two models are proper VC movements and Geneva Seal, the base is neither.
What is that yellow strap?
The comments are ruthless here - but well done. Whether I agree with you or not, FINALLY a video not blindinglly praising a watch. Loved it.
Maaannn, go buy a Casio and do a review.
By sheer coincidence, I strapped on and wound my vintage Vacheron & Constantin dress watch, delightfully purchased from the watch shop at theoandharris.com, before discovering and starting this video.
VC has built stainless steel cased 3 handers as 'basic' watches for decades. If you were actually a watch person and not an influencer, you'd know all about how the FiftySix is the modern 7592. Although I bet if Patek brought back the stainless steel Ref. 96 you and every other social influencer would cash every check you get to talk about how awesome it is. Boring? VC must not pay.
For much cheaper you could by a Jaquet Droz Grande Seconde Quantieme, that has a much nicer look! Specially, as the time and date Vacheron does not have an in-house caliber, it uses a JLC movement.
Best,
Fernando
I like the JLC master control date more... and it’s half the price!
I love Vacheron
He is just jumping on the same bandwagon as others on the date window makes a watch ugly. No originality and unprofessional
When one speaks of random things, not understanding anything.
Where can you get a 15300 for anywhere near that price?
Hey Christian can you make a video about the resssence e-crown concept
This all you could say about the movement !!!! What movements, what complication, in house ?
Say something worthy that we could listen..
Best review! Although this would have been my holy grail watch over my Rolex, I simply can’t get past the mismatched and wider 6 and 8 applied numerals, the generic position of the date and last, that funky 6 script. Dang...
Christian, first take of this ugly Rolex. Than, what a poor
What a load of bs in this video. Completely disagree with your statements
The rarest verisons in steel will go up in value ;) the things people the least notice will go up in value ;) Daytona a no person watch until... you know ;D today worth 12100 euro :D
Its a great watch…
I think it's an introduction to VC (an introduction peice and price goes hand in hand with the reputation of this brand ) . It is not perfect , and i do agree a 6 date window would have been better but attracting younger buyer is important for their future and survivability. Trinity watches are not affordable and for a price conscious buyer ,every dollar counts . That being said , not all watches are perfect (depending on individual taste ) . I do not like AP (never did) , and i would get an Lang over a Patek (but thats just me). I find the VC simple and clean (too clean (even with complications) for the higher 2 models of the trio), what i do not understand is the reviews (looks not price) on the master control date sector dial and th VC 56 date are on opposite ends of the spectrum while i do think they look similar (cleaner finish for the VC ) , i like them both (except for the date window) . How can 2 similar watches get opposite reviews on looks ?
Spot on!
Sounds like you're saying Vacheron Constan-ten
Probably because '65 was such a good year ... Mustangs, Stratocasters, you name it ... :))
I watch all of your episodes, but never comment. My compliments for your achievement, your service to the industry, and your sense of taste and style.
My personal opinion on VC is this;
Vacheron is committing suicide. They've been doing it by inches over the last decade.
Vacheron has lost its sense of self identity. This is my message to Vacheron.
You are the oldest and most tradional in the Trinity. Do what you do best. Your Overseas will never beat the Oak on design or the NMautilus in cache. Your 56 is a JLC master control, "warmed over". You don't Need a transitional watch.
Your brand identity should be Expensive, Exclusive, Old World Unattainable. Expand the Historiques collection. Do more with ultrathin. Go after the Finissimo. Do more jewels, tourbillons, equations of time, etc... Bring back pocket watches, thin and both simple and complications. Only precious metals. Do it or die. PS. Don't let Richemont throw you under the bus for Lange.
Time to reevaluate this watch and video.