Helping a New Archer Select Her First Arrows | Beginner Archer Arrow Selection Advice
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- New to archery and looking for information on how to select your arrow spine? I help a new archer select their first set of arrows and explain the why behind the arrow selection for this barebow archer. The way we select the arrow spine and build can be done with all types of archery including barebow, recurve, compound and traditional archery styles.
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One of your best video's Jake! Heather pulling you back and making you explain things for a novice works.
She asked all the questions i was thinking lol
This is perhaps one of the #1 videos I've seen of yours. You are very approachable for beginners like myself, but the BTS of you and Heather discussing getting "lost" made it even better, you should highlight this video on your channel as one of the top ones, it will def help newbies latch on to you IMO. Keep it coming.
We need more footage of Heather telling Jake how to do better
I loved that interaction. Kudos to them both for including it!
Totally agree. He went off again a few minutes later about break off points... I mean relationship between point weight and dynamic spine is not really a beginners concept!
Ya heather is better than jake
Heather acts as a great “sounding off” board. She basically represents us all.
Heather is so right, I spent lots of time to “decode” the expertises saying about arrows picking. 😆
Having your wife involved and asking questions that I would be asking is insanely helpful! Great video
It’s great that your wife represents the “ have no clue” beginners that’s the exact spot I’m in .I had Lancaster recommend gear for bare bow but a uninformed decision is usually a bad one .. I’ve found your channel and never dreamed someone not only tells me exactly what I want to hear but he also has someone ( wife) backing him up and saying slow down speak English lol… definitely needs to be in more of your videos.. great videos and I’m amazed at what you’ve taught me over the course of two weeks..
Im glad you chose a affordable easton inspire spine. Because most people can't afford the best and most forgiving gear.
Giving heather a win&win riser and limbs.. a beginner will die to get that gear as a start lol
Very good education Jake, and YES ! I like the fact that Heather is making you take the time to explain further for us beginners. Way to go Heather, keep him in line.
Great idea, good start, Jake. But a suggestion for you and Heather - even your "simplified" explanation is very technical (using terms that experienced archers take for granted, but new archers don't get (yet)). How about this - let Heather drive the video as a new BB archer trying to understand and equip herself with the proper arrows. Be there along side her to answer her specific questions, but let all new archers who watch this understand where she is coming from and where she wants to go. The bridging connection will be powerful. Heather is well spoken and can articulate what she doesn't know, a key aspect of both learning and of teaching new-comers.
Again, this video on getting started is a fine idea, but having Heather as the new-BB-archer lead can make it even better. Good luck.
I second the motion - I spent a LOT of 2020 lockdown time 'learning the language'. In a normal year, without that lockdown time and having no handy archery club to go to, I think I'd still be struggling with terminology that more experienced archers take for granted. That said, I'm still slightly perplexed by how my draw length isn't my draw length, but is actually my draw length plus an inch. But - going by the video - I suspect Jake's only marginally less baffled by that line of logic, so I don't feel too bad about it 😊
My wife has just sat down and watch this video with me. She now wants to have a go at archery when I could not convince her beforehand. Well done Mr and Mrs kaminski.
Well done Jake and Heather, I think this type of content will be great for the those beginners that are wanting to understand and learn more. 👍😎
I chuckled out loud at the clip you included with Heather at 2:37... "you might as well of been speaking French"... "well so, what, what part don't... like literally none of it?" Haha! I really like this format of you directing almost a coaching/consultation session with her where it is a 'today's lesson is' style, and then as the student Heather is able to ask questions as the lesson progresses to make sure she understands each step of the way ensuring any beginner viewers are able to also follow along with her. Great work!
Epic intro! But I gotta say.. I miss the older tune! Hah
Thank you Heather and Jake! I am a BEGINNER and I had the same questions as Heather. I turned to this channel after getting so lost on all the websites and types of bows/arrows it was becoming discouraging. Thanks for breaking it down for the newbies! ❤
I love how you both are great at communicating with each other!!!
I thought this was one of the best videos you have done! Looking forward to watching the rest of the process.
this is awesome. As someone considering getting started in barebow, the basic info is great.
I actually learned a lot thanks to her asking the questions I would ask and been lost when I got lost! Great idea to include her. 😊
Jake and Heather. Such a great video, I would also say I found this useful as an old experienced archer that’s come back into the sport after a 30 year plus gap, where not only technique has evolved, but equipment and materials also. So thanks both!
Don't let her read this, but the wife is right lol. Arrow numbers especially for me get very conflated very fast. Good to have you break them down further
Definitely good info for the beginner, and great that you have your wife to ask the questions that most beginners would have but might not ask - things that a lot of archers take for granted are not so obvious to a novice! If a novice watches and follows along you might save them some money and make their journey more enjoyable!
Adorable couple! Great info broken down into understandable terms.
Jake thank you for what you do for us
We appreciate you for sharing the knowledge that you have
Really loved this video with you both. I am a beginner and your wife asks questions I would ask. So I think having a beginner with you makes for a more informative video for me. So thank you and look forward to the rest of the videos in this series.
Great idea Jake..Will be good a reference series to follow along with for the new archers. .Heather looks very nervous. She will do well I'm sure. .Thanks for the vid buddy ..The main thing is that you enjoy what you are doing. .
Great vid - I am going through exactly the same process with my wife, even the same shafts. As I have been out of archery myself for 10 years it is a great refresher and learning tool. Many thanks
I'm 10 minutes in and this video has already been very helpful. Thanks to you and your wife.
Really happy I found your channel.
Thank you both for the great content.
Thanks Jake and Heather, very interesting and informative for a newbie. Heather's contribution is great from a complete beginner, I would love you to redo the form video's again without all the archery terms.
Wow I'm really happy coming across this as a beginner barebow archer too! My local archery shop recommended the Easton Inspire arrows too. Only recently realized I accidentally bought two different spines & always been too intimidated to ask what difference spine/lengths made, but the shop is always too busy and also no physical access to my college club. Maybe it's bc they can't help in person, but even when I ask the club coaches & officers for advice, I always end up being more confused after since they often don't explain things as beginner friendly as I'd like. So thank you both for the transparency & really taking us step by step! Much appreciated!
Great idea / video ... and like the 'behind the scenes' addition ... perfect.
Good info there, Jake! I like the new intro too!
New year new awesome intro & another great video god bless you Jake 🙂
im glad your wife is paying attention and saying what i was thinking haha
great videos thank you
I am being picky, but the industry standard is the ATA (formerly AMO) and specifies the ATA draw length as 1 3/4" in front of the pivot point (plunger hole for 99% of recurve risers).
I really like this video. It is very informative and approachable. Keep them coming.
Good thing this riser is about 1' long infront of the plunger. Eh, draw length is irrelevant to anything except in compound haha.
Thanks
Takes it exactly to the front of my riser (WW CX7). But as Jake notes anything beyond long enough is swell and can help tune your point on distance.
I think this is going make a excellent series. Bringing in Heather was a great idea.
love it. ive been having so much trouble finding arrows
Great video under stand more now than I ever did.well done
This back-and-forth between student and teacher is great"
Superb presentation - thank you both!!
I was literally looking for a video just like this yesterday.
Great new intro!
Heather & Jake, I want to say thank you for this video. I've tried to learn on my own from books and other videos, but one major problem is the vocabulary. Personally, these concepts are really hard to learn from a book. When you're a beginner, when you don't know what you don't know, you can't even ask the right questions. Thanks for the genuine conversation between the 2 of you about addressing those particular beginners. Now, to find the rest of the 'beginners' series......
New intro is awesome!!
Light lively and informative 👍
Awesome video, you and your wife helped a lot
Who knew that picking arrows was so involved? Interesting, thank you!
Very surprised when I saw this video. On Point especially for new shooters and old ones to.
New shooters ask some of the most basic questions experienced shooters take for granted. It's good to back up and explain those basic questions before completely loosing a new shooters interest or have them select the wrong equipment.
I've seen to many new archers, or any sport for that matter get good advice and don't understand what they are talking about. Worse, they get bad advice or no help at all and develop bad form they they will never grow out of. That would be me. :(
Great video and I would like to see you get a few more new or confused shooters to see how you can help them.
bless you both for this video, thanks
You guys are doing an awesome job with this channel and the content. I'm learning a lot. I bought myself an Elite compound bow and my son a Diamond Atomic compound. They're a lot of fun to shoot but I'm not getting into this to hunt and now I'm wishing we went with a recurve.
I love this red pill relationship you both have there. This expert/nubbie lessons are awesine!!
Thank you sir for providing us this great knowledge 👌
Cool that you kept in the "you went too fast" section :) And nice new intro!
Great video! Thank you so much!
Great video for us newbies
great you two......5 stars to you both.
Greetings from Russia. Very nice and informative. Please carry on!
Cool new intro Jake!
Cute... I am in the process to get new arrows for my son as well.. nice video
Loved the video! Must point out that the point shown on the video at 17:19 is a 4mm OD, while the Inspire shaft takes a 5 mm OD point. Breakoff points at 5 mm are available at Lancaster.
Excellent for me. Thanks
I know I'm late to the party; I don't like having others put their body near my drawn arrows, so for measuring DL I put a small plastic lid like from a Pringles can on the arrow and as I draw it catches the riser and gives me a measurable marker on the arrow when I let down.
You are the best keep up the great work
I use Skylon Brixxon shafts (purchased through Alternatives.com). They are 100% carbon, $62 a dozen and +/- .001. You can get them down to 1100 spine.
The only down side is, they are a bit heavy (500 spine is 8.0 GPI). So, they hit lower than lighter arrows but should fly better outdoors in wind.
Yep, good one Jake & Heather, i like the Easton Inspire…use it 6 Month in 1200 spine for 22 Pound longbow…they are very durable / robust, are a little thicker and yes 2,9€ here in Germany only. Rg Bernd
This is a great video, I'm new also thank you
Very good video thank you.
This is an awesome idea for a series. Great to have someone you're comfortable with and who is comfortable with you... Her perspective is invaluable to help give really helpful advice for the rest of us. Love it.
You're awesome brother
Very helpful! So longer draw length = higher weight than labeled at 28, and longer arrow means stiffer shaft. Combined, that means tall people should go for 400 or 500 instead of 600 and 700 arrow.
This is good jake
Thanks Heather for your great insight. It is my pet peeve with every single podcast. The assumption of knowledge on the part of the presenter loses so many new people because they do not understand the language.
Nice new intro 👍
Jake smiles more when Heather is with him.
As an idea for future videos - how to come back to sport after a huge break, what combination should be between strength trainings and shooting trainings after a break
So jealous of your local range. We have one 3D course that a person could shoot at anytime but it 45min away and just 3D targets. For me I have to have my own targets and go to our local woods and setup and shoot.....which works but dang lol.
Brilliant video really helped by someone starting
Not just an arrow nerd
😂😂
I’m trying carbon arrows (predator 2) for the first time. When I competed in the early 70’s, they were not available. Wish me luck!
Hehehe, I felt home when you got roasted by your wife. That is the story of my life :)
Hi Jake, have you done a video of how you selected the riser and limbs to suit Heather's outfit. I'm just starting out and looking for my first kit. Cheers John.
Very nice episode. It's important to note however that the Easton chart is based on olympic recurve and split finger. For most stringwalking barebow archers, the recommendation will be atleast one T-group too soft. The power delivery at a crawl is much more aggressive than with split finger. In this case it might end up good anyway since you added a stiffness margin, but still (WA) barebow is different to split finger recurve.
Good to know Martin, all new stuff to me. Thanks for chiming in and sharing some knowledge here! Nice shooting at the virtual WA indoor shoot by the way. What arrow is typical to be used indoors? I have been playing with an indoor setup and am at a cross roads on which arrow to choose.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks!
Indoor arrows are, as you know, always a discussion no matter if it is barebow or recurve, so there is no definitive answer to that. What you need to add to the olympic recurve perspective is mostly the effect arrow weight and length have to the amount of crawl needed (less is better to a certain limit for most) and that stiffer spined and therefore also longer arrows tend to handle the almost abuse-like power stroke of a stringwalk acceleration phase better. I thought to answer short, but since your channel is about sharing knowledge and this episode in particular was about explaining what to think of when selecting arrows, I changed my mind and share some of my more detailed thoughts instead. It might be interesting for someone.
As I see it, the best way to approach the choice of either keeping your fast outdoor setup, going full fat, heavy and long, or stay somewhere in the middle is to look at how the majority of your mistakes, both the bad or sub ok shots and the "unexplainable" score losses on good shots looks like. This will tell you a lot about about which direction you most likely need to go to find your best indoor arrow setup.
To give a specific opinion of what I would think would work best for you, I need to guess a bit. Based on your solid archery background and some of the barebow shooting you have made on the channel, we as viewers can get a decent idea of how you shoot. With such a solid bowarm and that typical elite level feel for the amount of power delivered into the arrow, in theory, you should be able to handle a fat and long arrow with a lot of point weight and take full advantage of that. But... there is a but.
Apart from the fact that it takes a while to settle in with a new anchor and shooting style, meaning that you are not going to reach that absolute draw length stability just yet, you are coming from olympic recurve. This means, for most, that there is always that little bit of uncertainty and light anxiousness just at the edge of the conscious mind when you have to remove the clicker. Even if you add some kind of trigger to the mix, it is not as perfect as a trigger tool as the clicker in recurve. This will most likely lead to some more creep and some shots here and there with a slight increased stiffness in the fingers and some related reaction in the bow arm compared to how you shoot at your normal level in recurve. Even with your more or less perfect recurve form as a base, non clickered barebow brings new challenges for sure in the collaboration between form and mind and that needs to be accounted for in your arrow choice.
With that in mind, I would stay away from both unforgiving very fast setups and the heaviest options on the other end of the scale. That unwanted creep (yes, it will happen) will make you loose points high/low if the arrows are too heavy and those sometimes just slightly stiff release fingers (not as sure in this case, but most likely) will make light fast arrows punishing.
Again guessing that you are using, or want to use something around 38-41 pounds otf, I would then go for a shaft that you can shoot in long length, but where you do not need to much point weight. It would either be an aluminium arrow like the X23 2312-2314 or even 2315 if you go over 40Ibs, probably around 370-400 in spine or a comparable heavier carbon 9,7mm shaft. And to that long feathers and a not to heavy point. 100 grains and short insert length to maximize the shaft length. You will need to keep the point weight around there to keep things somewhat light.
If you like the feel of more speed, the Maxima RZ that you have used in many videos is the best option on the market imho. I would not go to anything faster than a almost full length Maxima.
Again, this was the long version. Feel free to remove the comment if you don´t find it to go inline with your ideas of the channel.
Excellent advice here. Thanks for the input and reflects my limited amount of experimentation for sure.
Remember that the Easton Chart uses 100 grains points as reference. 900s shafts with a 130 grain point may be on the weak side.
The AMO adds the inch for safety reasons, in case the archer overdraws. It's why your clicker is in front of your riser ~1".
Hi Jake! thanks for the video, great tutorial!
I was wondering if you had tips for shooters with a longer draw length.
I have a 30"3/4 draw length and my arrows are cut at 31". As I'm only shooting 36# or so, reaching 70m is hard as I have to make a lot of adjustments in my position to aim that high and my technique suffers from it.
Is there a way to have lighter arrows tune the same way as bigger ones? because a long 450 spine arrow feels unweariedly
This I'd a great video I will need do review the video again because it alot of infro
Dear Jake, do you recommend bushings and how have they to be calculated concerning the change in arrow spine?
sick intro btw
Terima kasih jake😎👍🏹🥇🇲🇾
Daaaaaaaamn Jake's punching above his weight!
That was great fun guys, glad you’ve both recovered and are well. Why did you choose carbon over the Platinum plus xx75 alumium shafts?
The lighter weight will allow her to reach further distances.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I thought that might be the case. A lot of clubs in the UK use multiple use grounds so carbon arrows are not allowed. Enjoyed the video! 👍
How do one keep the same anchor with barebow and can still have some
string crawl (not point on) aimed to gold at 50m? currently shooting 36#
OTF, I only shoot 18m with 800spine (31") 5.6mm carbon arrow
atm,shooting point on need some gap shooting above the TB to get gold,
should I go with higher spine? heavier tips? or lower spine? shorter
arrow with high spine? advise is appreciated
I don't see Jake responding to many questions here, and I have asked more than a few that are unanswered so far, but just in case someone else can chime in:
What weight of limbs did you get her before she even shot her first arrow with her new bow? My husband and I want to get into barebow and we are 3 hours away from any archery shop that is not a cabelas (not an archery shop, clearly haha). I wish we could have better direction, but lancaster chat box is as good as it gets for us. I know we have to start small, but I also don't want to impede any growth because I chose too light. My husband and I have short draw lengths (between 25.5 and 27" / me between 25.5 and 26, my husband between 26.5 and 27 - we hope to hone it down when we get better technique).
Second question is: before buying her a set that can help her grow, what was she shooting? I wonder if we just go with this video for our very first set (before we ever shoot), or if there is another recommended route before we get into making our own set.
Any insight is appreciated! Thank you!
Do you have a local club you could join?
@@harmonyvisionoptometry unfortunately no. I live about 2 hours from the nearest one 😔
What are your thoughts on Linkboy arrows? I like them because they glide really easily.
BIG intro like it its more serious
Point-on distance? If I asked Heather, would she know what that is yet? 😜 I'm only 4 minutes in and I need to hit Google to find out ! 😊
Great Video. New archer here as well. What was thought process of carbon vs aluminum? I thought for new archers aluminum arrows were tougher and therefore recommended. Second, when you do fletching vid can you give recommendation of straight vs offset vs helical for building beginner’s first set of arrows. Thanks.
I think carbon is more durable based on the straightness retention ability. They won't take a bend as easily.
We will address the fletchings when that time comes. Next up will be how to cut the arrows and prep them for component installation, how to install components.
I apologize, completely off topic. Jake do you know anything about the coaching methodology of Hyung Tak Kim?
I would like to ask:
1) What brand of hot melt glue do you use?
2) What is the melting point of the hot melt glue you use?
3) Where can I buy this hot melt glue?
Thanks!
I've always been fascinated by archery, I like your wife, she seems lovely by the way, wish women were like her, she seems meticulous, thoughtful, and for me looking for my first bow, which for some reason amazon is out of stock on everything, which is worrying to me, I'm a bit of a conspiracy realist, and 'm wondering why you can't find a decent bows lately, , here in the UK we can't defend nor hunt like Americans, I'm from Wales and we were known for our power and still today accuracy in our targets, thank you for your videos, I guess I've got to watch all your videos, I wish I could just cut through all the confusion and shortfalls out there. the arrows are so expensive in some cases. I'm willing to put out the money if I know the bow is good quality, and I can upgrade as I get stronger, I work out especially my back muscles anyway, I've been looking at archery for years. and I finally was on my way to go even went to the club, then there was eternal quarrels In the club, then covid hit. so I want to start meeting people, and get out, archery for me is a must, thank you.
What is your opinion on the Gold Tip Warrior fletched (feathers) arrow for barebow ?
Haven't tried them but GoldTips are great arrows.