The first conical bullet and the Model 1849 chamber rifle
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- This is the story of the Model 1849 Austrian Kammerbüchse (chamber rifle, or the Garibaldi rifle as it was called in the American Civil War) designed for the first conical bullet type, the cylindro-conical Spitzkugel. The video will give you a detailed insight of thhe development, service, accuracy, making cartridges, external and wound ballistics and impact on tactics. Get ready for some 30-200 m target shooting with service cartridges.
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Your videos just keep getting better. In an age where the history of many different things is forgotten or ignored I appreciate your methodology, thoroughness, attention to detail.
I for one have never seen this style of priming system before, fascinating.
Check "Shooting the Augustin tube lock pistol" on this channel.
Tube locks never really made an impression in the US before they were superseded by percussion cap locks. It's that blistering pace of firearms development again. As soon as someone saw the potential of the newly-discovered metal fulminate compounds, they tried several ways of using them to prime firearms. I think the first were pill or pellet locks...slip a pellet of priming compound the size of the glass head of a pin into the lock, drop the hammer, and bingo...reliable, all-weather ignition. Almost immediately people started putting the priming compound into little metal tubes to improve reliability and safety. And before the ink on the patents for those tube locks was dry, others tried putting the priming compound into little top-hat shaped caps made of copper or brass foil, and the tube lock became obsolete. France and Austria were closest to the source of tube-lock development and jumped on it. Everyone wanted something better than flintlocks for military use. Britain may have tested some tube-lock designs, but ultimately settled on the percussion cap when it appeared. The US, even farther away (and with a severely limited military budget) ultimately changed their Hall rifles (a firearm a really wish someone made a good replica of) from flintlock to percussion just before the Mexican War got going in the 1840s.
@@christopherreed4723 Muy buena aclaracion ese fusil de chispa que veo tiene alza de mira me gustaria saber si es de anima lisa o es estriado como el rifle de Kentuky que si bien era de chispa tambien era estriado. Muchas gracias saludo desde Uruguay.
That metallic pinging sound made when you slam the ramrod down onto the seated bullet is unbelievably satisfying.
The consistency of the rifle after all that time is quite surprising
I was just reading about this rifle. Not too many originals in videos. Good work.
You can see the bullets flying in a few of the 100m shots. Very cool.
All I want in 2022 is more regular Capandball content. Especially the hunting and walking in the woods.
i just finished editing the season's hunting video. So stay tuned! :)
One of the best historical gun channels on TH-cam with outstanding research and references.
What an excellent video presentation. Congrats!! You covered so many firearms technology subjects of the 19th century that really seems like an excellent documentary on gun history and ballistics. Have a happy new year, and thank you for the content.
I had read about a tube lock before but didn't know what it was. Thank you for working with this type of lock and showing the comparison between the contemporary arms. Thank you for a very informative video.
Glad to see another video by capandball again.
Love those premade paper cartridge's ! must have been a big help in the field for (let's not say rapid) quick fire
All the Best for 2022 - please keep the videos coming 👍
Everything you do is absolutely excellent. Please continue producing content like this.
Fascinating as always, especially the production of cartridges.
During the cartridge construction portion of the video you've got a high frequency whine which is quite audible.
6:52 That Cartidge on the left, with the cardboard Pull Tab is quite interesting too. That round Hole held a standard Primer Cap, rather than Tube Cap. After pressing it on the Nipple, the Soldier pulled the Tab off via that Slot, then used the Tab which extended down into the Powder section (bottom shape unknown) to tear open the Paper, in order to pour out the Powder !
Another amazing piece of real history. Best wishes for 2022 and beyond!!
❤paper.
The extra space in the chamber is for soldiers who shoved paper into the bore and still allow for plastic deformation of the base because the chamber was never full.
Alarming but pretty educated supposition 😉
I love the show and I gotta say you must absolutely melt the ladies or gentlemen with that voice 😍
Fantastic accuracy on your data too👍
excellent! I always look forward to a newcapandball video.
Welcome back and happy new year
Happy new year!
Your videos are amazing, always interesting and well produced. Long live Magyarország.
Another great presentation. Thank you again sir
Happy new year! Health happiness and lots of videos.
Fantastic video, please do more and keep up the great work. Thank you
Thank you for this! I've been waiting for a detailed video on this rifle since I picked one up a few years ago.
What mould do you use for the projectile? I haven't found any for sale specific for this rifle. I was thinking of using a slightly modified Kammerlader design, but I would prefer the correct projectile. I didn't see a mould or bullet in your store. Thanks!
Again, this was very informative and I enjoyed watching. Thanks!
Vielen Dank für dieses hervorragende Video . Die Geschichte dieser Waffen und die Leistung dieser Waffen so darzustellen ist einmalig
Bleiben Sie gesund
Alles Gute und Grüsse
Frank Galetzka
Thank you, and happy new year
Very cool. I've always loved this channel. You've taught me many useful things regarding black powder guns. I've even got a reproduction 1842 Springfield musket (smoothbore) which I loaded cut lead bars in before I had a ball mold for it. I also use it like a shotgun, following instructions from your shotgun videos.
Thank you for doing what you do.
Great video! This kind of practical research is fascinating
I like the different models of rifles 1842,1844 1849 .Excellent.shooting,and presentation as usual.I like all of your sesions.I like the history lesson. Old vintage guns,the history behind them.Keep up the good work.David Back from Menifee county Kentucky USA
That was a superb video. I have one of these rifles that was converted to percussion many years ago. I do shoot it occasionally and find the accuracy is very good but I find the recoil is certainly very heavy. Thanks again for the fantastic video!
Přeji Vám a Vašim blízkým
v novém roce pevné zdraví,
hodně štěstí a splněných přání.
Děkuji za perfektní videa.
Ať se daří :-)
Děkuji, přeji vám podobné dobro!
Great video as always.
Excellent camera you have there :) really good video quality (and also content :D as always! )
Happy New Year to you and your family.
I own and or have shot a bunch of the wepons you have featured. Been collecting since the mid 80's. This, this is outstanding! Thanks for the video this is a wepon Im actually not familiar with. Never touched one only read about it in books. Very cool.
Great content, educational as always ! Happy New Year
attention to detail.👍👍👍👍👍👍
capandball
Still a fine old rifle....Nice shooting....Thanks so much...🇺🇸
Awesome as always !
Thanks
Great start for 2022
Happy New Year!
At last! The Capandball Lock rifle!
Another great video. Excellent production Balázs! Thank you for the instructions on making the cartridges! Can’t wait to try them in my rifle. Sadly it was converted to conventional percussion cap for US Civil War use, but has an excellent bore.
Hi Brett, many thanks! the percussion conversion is the next part of the story, opening a new chapter. I would like to know more about the Civil War use of the rifle.
I wouldn't call that sad at all. American Civil War provenance has significant value for most guns.
Always a good day when cap n ball uploads.
i love these videos. many people still think black powder rifles are inaccurate when that is so not the case.
Well done !
Thank You so much for making this video. After giving this gun to my father many years ago and then getting it back from him after he died from covid in May of 2020.This video means the world to me. For years my father tried to get the proper mold made for the bullet for this gun. Not many people here in the U.S are familiar with the 1849 kammerbusche. For that reason it was very hard to even properly fire it. Thank You again.
My greatest condolences to you and your family. The mold was made by an American gunsmith, Robert Bradley.
@@capandball Last year I bought the bayonet for it online. I was very happy when I received it, for it's in excellent condition. With the bayonet it gives this gun even more character. I read that they really didn't use the bayonet on the long rifles, although the socket is there for it.
......and AGAIN a nice video!!! Greetz from the Netherlands!!!
I'm starving for this kind of gun.
You're literally the only one i see making videos about this lock.
Great shootin, an loadin technique !
Interesting back story about he rifle used in Italy and fairly accurate for the age of the rifle.Would certainly not wanting to be standing there at those ranges.Great informative video ,keep them coming.
I've never seen that kind of mechanism before. It's really neat.
That is a monster bullet!
23:09 That is hilarious! Backwards bullet, but still works! I don't know why this is so funny to me, but I'm sharing this with my family. This really cracks me up!
I just purchased the 1849 model. It was converted to percussion cap for US Civil war.
Bravó Péter jó puska, szép találatok. 👍Grt
Happy New Year!
:))
Imagine the Spitzkugel with that lube string had a secondary effect on the battlefield, if it didn't separate in flight it had a chance of separating when it hit an enemy soldier and could have been a major source for an infection.
Ew
Everytime I watch your channel i just wish i had the money and time to get into black powder shooting. But sadly it will never happen with my current life. Just want you to know that I can live vicariously through your channel and even though I cannot support you on patreon I do appreciate those that do and your dedication to making thes really great videos.
damn thats a big bullet 650 grains !! you really don't want to get hit by that
It is not a problem if you cannot support.I understand the situation. I was there in my life as well. My films are for everyone!
Hello Cap & Happy New Year! I always enjoy your videos but perhaps this one was my favorite. The detail & comparison of the different rifles was not only very entertaining, but educational as well. Thank you very much.
P.S. Where do you get those small copper looking (primer?) things you stick inside the flash holes?, or do you make them? Just Curious, Thanks Again. 👍🏻
Thanks! I make those: th-cam.com/video/fmGckpMx1sI/w-d-xo.html
I’ve not seen that type of priming before, very interesting.
Excellent
I like the tube ignition system.
Una joya entre las armas antiguas de avancarga y más aún disparar con ella. Saludos desde Argentina
Been waiting on a video for this for awhile I have one of them converted to percussion for the us civil war
Very informative
What a interesting saber on the fireplace
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One can almost see the bullets flying in the air as they hit the target. Hickok45 does the same thing he'll photograph his bullets hitting the gong. Nice quality firearm; "old world" craftsmanship. At 26:59 you need to put the hearing protection on over the ears.
always fun to see these old fashioned guns be fired and not just talked about
I love your Hunglish, your english is extraordinary and your
accent is wonderful, the videos are pretty good too!
Many thanks!
Fantastic work and I hope you've had great Holidays and start of the New Year. When you have time, could you do a video on the Wurttembergischen 1857? From what I gathered it's similar to the Lorenz. I have trouble researching its service history. Also, far too many people call it a Mauser, when it's not.
A friend of mine has an original that can be compared to the Pedersoli repro, so why not.
@@capandball An original! I can't wait! I appreciate your time.
It looks exactly like the one I have. Mine is stamped Bentz. The quality of these guns are amazing. Mine is stamped 1851. Living in the U.S, it was never converted. Still has the original tubelock mechanisms.
Good find!
@@capandball Do you sell bullets for the 1849. I bought this for my father 40 years ago. I got it back when he passed away from covid in May 2020. Mine is very identical to yours condition wise. Is the Bentz maker mark rare on the 1849?
@@capandball I would like to send you some photos , but not quite sure how to. Do you have a Facebook account?
very interesting
it's quite a shame that Garibaldi is well known in the americas, but in italy we study only the role he had to unify the nation and nothing more. well, it has nothing to do with this amazing video anyway :)
Garibaldi literally led a revolution in the Brazilian south called Farroupilha Revolution. We have a city in the state of Rio Grande do Sul in his honor.
Great video as always! Proper military history! Love the sabre on the wall behind you aswell! What model is it?
interesting ignition system ... never seen that before
awesome
Nice antique rifle
This is the best antique arms channel indeed.
Can you find the percussion tube to buy?
Check "Shooting the Augustin tube lock pistol" on this channel.
Unfortunately no. Here is a footage on the tube making: th-cam.com/video/fmGckpMx1sI/w-d-xo.html
I've been following you guys for some years, but it only came across this video by sheer fluke.
Apparently I forgot to hit the bell... Old man problems 🙂
Very nice video! It is always a pleasure to watch your content :)
Beautiful rifle and great telling of history. I like the amount of detail and even footage from inside the barrel. Is the corn not necessary to fill the air gap between the powder and the base of the bullet if the volume of powder does not completely fill the chamber because the chamber is strong enough? Or because the gap is very minimal?
I really enjoyed the comparison of original bullets with your fired bullets as well as the historical drawings and the great detail of your ballistic measurements.
Also as feedback for the future: I notice a very high frequency noise in the background of the complete scene where you roll the cartridge beginning at 7:11 lasting all the way until 10:19. Then it appears again from 11:03 to 11:55. Maybe you can not hear it but please try to avoid it in future audio. It really is unpleasant to hear even at low audio volume because it is such high frequency. A similar background noise appears from 20:38 to 21:53. As well as 22:06 to 23:28 and 23:34 to 25:09 and 33:52 to 34:08. However mixed with the different background sounds of the environment the high frequency noise is not as disturbing.
Absolutely excellent presentation. You covered so many aspects. 2 points I question though: the copper primer with the wire; did you ever do a video on how these are made? The second point: I have always heard a space between the powder (black powder) and the projectile is absolutely not allowed hence the filler. yet you say here it is not as important? That has me perplexed. You obviously know your history, the mechanics of the firearms and the actual means of creating the cartridge. I would expect no less; I read your book :) btw, you do good music too. My compliments sir!
Many thanks! Here you can find how the tubes are made: th-cam.com/video/fmGckpMx1sI/w-d-xo.html
I am impressed with the quality of the metal used, after so many years it is practically intact, how did the ancients protect the steel from oxidation? congratulations from Brazil🇧🇷
ancients? it's not that old
Good quality steel, good bluing on the exterior
@@rags417 this one's in the white
@@pacman10182 even though it's not that old, just the fact of using black powder (which is very corrosive) the state of conservation is incredible
Grease, this one was very well cared for it looks like
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So interesting that that gap between the new powder and the actual seating of the bullet don't seem to affect the firing or accuracy of the weapon? Apparently not enough of a space to cause a big problem like not seatng the bullet all the way down to the chamber. It's been too long since you've posted a video!
Yes, too much work in the autumn. But now I have a good load of material recorded waiting to be edited.
I got one converted to caps, one of the better conversion that doesn't block the sight. Even with the pitted bore, your video make me want to try it so much. Was the mold for the bullet a custom order ?
Happy new year and thanks for the amazing content. Just wondering, what are you using on your semi auto firearms for lubrication/preservation? Brunox as on your other firearms? I have had quite a few issues with storage and the climate in Hungary doesnt appear to be very gun friendly
Mobil one 5-30 or 10-30 and kroil
I am not an expert in semiauto guns. I only have two pistols, and I lube them with the same oli I use for muzzleloaders.
@@capandball thanks for the reply😀
Great video was there a conversion of these models to regular percussion in the United States?
I am fascinated by the tube priming system of this rifle. Have you, or would you do a segment on its production? Being a sealed tube, it would appear to have the edge on Caps in the wet.
Here is the footage of tube making: th-cam.com/video/fmGckpMx1sI/w-d-xo.html
@@capandball thank you for your kindness, and happy new year.
I like your gun
Excellent! Only some questions. 1. How did You make the priming tube. 2. Was the original bullet cast or swaged lead. 3. What was the grain size of original powder used. 4. What kind of people made the cartridges in the factories of that time. Women workers, as I think no male has the nerve for such kind of mass production day after day year after year in 1850's era illumination factory. Your video was a pleasure of my day.
I love your Hunglish language. 😀
¿No sería más seguro poner el fulminante después de la carga del rifle?
How well does the tallow greased wool string control powder fouling in the bore compared to the earlier cartridges? Did you see any difference in accuracy falloff after repeated shots?
Ther was a day when I fired 40+ shots with the rifle and it did not seem to effect accuracy. The rifle was just as easy to load for the 40th time as the 1st.
Hi, where can I get a mold for that cylindro-conical Spitzkugel bullet??
I'm not sure I understood. Did you say that the filler was necessary or not? And where do you get the percussion tubes?
Nice video! I was surprised with the accuracy. I first thought it would only be a slight improvement to the smooth bore musket.
We know that the military adopted the "modern" pointed bullet.
How about hunters? Are the conical shooting muzzleloading hunting rifles a modern thing? Did hunters stick with roundballs untill the brass cartridge rifles?
Some did stick with a ball (and some even tried to write books to claim the ball was superior to the bullet... cough, cough James Forsyth lol), but bullets were in use in rifles as early as the 1790's. Most of these early bullets were either lead "prisms", like what was used in Henry Nock's and other's Polygonal rifling; or they took the form of the "picket ball", which was essentially a round ball with a cone on one end. Target shooters were the early adopters of them, because the flatter trajectories of the bullets reduced flight times, lessened the effects of slightly maladjusted sights, and made the shot less affected by the wind. Seeing this, hunters began to adopt them, as it allowed you to use a smaller gun, and still be effective on large animals. This is due to the increased penetration capabilities of a bullet, versus a round ball of equal weight. In addition, the flatter trajectory, which is nice to have on a known distance target range, is invaluable in the field, where distances are not known, and the human eye is a poor rangefinder. By the 1820's, there were hunting and target guns being made that were intended from the beginning to make use of the bullet. The cylindric-conical bullet that we are familiar with today started to appear in the late 1830's, early 1840's. It made loading easier, because the longer parallel section of the bullet made it far more difficult to load the bullet crooked in the muzzle. In addition, you could now design the bullet to have lubrication grooves, dispensing with the need to have the bullet patched in cloth. Paper patching continued to be used with bullets up to the 20th century, as it allowed for the bullet to be protected from the bore at high velocities (like in muzzle loading and breech loading express rifles, which J. Purdey, Holland and Holland, and others were making by the 1840's (an express rifle at the time meant that the rifle shot a light-moderate weight bullet at a flat trajectory (usually with a minimum of 1600fps at the muzzle).
The militaries of the world adopting bullets in rifles accelerated the adoption of bullets in the civilian world, but civilians looking for a better mousetrap were the early adopters. The biggest "advancement" militaries made to the bullet, the hollow expanding base, isn't particularly useful in a civilian context, where one might only need to shoot 5 or so shots, before having an opportunity to swab the fouling out of the bore; versus the 60 rounds, and then resupply and shoot 60 more the military was expecting lol. Actually, the hollow base can be a detriment, particularly at high velocities, where the thinner skirt around the base is more prone to erosion from the gasses.