The Delvigne chamber rifle of the 1830-40s and the Austrian Kammerbüchse
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- The chamber breech rifles were the first giant steps towards the general adoptation of the rifle and the conical bullets. Henri Gustav Delvigne from France and Vincenz Augustin from Austria played an important part in perfecting the system in the 1830s-40s. This video is showing its history, impact and effect on tactics, all displayed through the performance of the Model 1842 (or 1844) Austrian Kammerbüchse.
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I admire your work Mr. Nemeth. Your historical and technical knowledge is outstanding. I do no black powder shooting but I have an historical interest especially in US Civil War weaponry. I wish my father was still alive for he would have loved your channel and used it for technical reference. He shot and hunted with black powder. He fabricated his own ammunition and would create his own powder horns like you. Thank you.
Only a Hun can shoot so well regardless of weapon choice! Well done Cousin!
Excellent content. I used to have a Kammerbuchse myself and can confirm the good accuracy.
I am absolutely fascinated by the mechanics of forming a mushroom bullet upon loading that can achieve such accuracy. I certainly learned something new today. You never cease to amaze me.
I watch your videos pretty regularly and noticed one from 9 years ago. You’ve sure came along way in these videos since 9 years ago. I watch your channel today and it’s like watching a show on TV. Actually you should have your own show on TV, I could see Cap and Ball on the Outdoor Channel, or the History Channel, or even on the Military Channel. Really enjoy watching your shows, you do a great service for the history and preservation of firearms today. I’ve learned a lot from your videos and damn your a hell of a shot.
Your videos are such an in depth look at the firearm that provide as complete an understanding of the history, innovations and performance that I feel I have taken a master class. Thank you for the excellent and informative work.
Being a logistics officer in the 19th Century Austro-Hungarian military had to be an absolutely miserable job.
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👍 Very good and beautiful, thank you!
👍 Sehr gut und schön, danke!
As a Frenchman, I can only be fascinated by the video!
Marvelous and thoroughly interesting! I had no idea a rifle existed with a chamber designed to swage a ball for increased seal and accuracy. The lengths this gentleman goes to to make high quality content for us to regularly enjoy is remarkable. Best regards from Canada!
I’m rather fond of large bore Rifles . Hence my 1847 spring field rifled musket . Beautiful marksmanship as ever 🙂
It's fascinating to see the different directions various designers went in their search for the ideal muzzleloading rifle. The Kammerbüchse was one that was more successful than others. The pillar-breech guns had the unfortunate tendency to bend the post in the chamber on which the bullet was deformed, according to Peterson. And the less said about the Brunswick with it's two-groove rifling and belted round ball bullet the better.
Beautiful rifle, superb marksmanship, great presentation. Once again, thank you!
Great dog, too...😄
Thanks cap, it's been a while since I watched a video of yours, but as usual, it was highly informative & entertaining! Thanks again.
Beautiful history - thank you. And we love your dog!
I am fascinated by the differences between modern black powders and 18th & 19th century black powders. Thank you for the insights into the different powder density. The more I learn the more I discover I don't know.
Excellent quality as ever! Congratulations from Brazil!
Encore une fois nous avons eu droit à une vidéo d’une très grande qualité. Vivement la prochaine!
That dog was the one who brought that rifle to you for this video. Such a nice looking rifle
And an excellent dog!
Great video (as always). Keep up the good work. 👍🏻
Like always, it’s a pleasure to watch you Videos 👍👍👍
Phenomenal video. Keep it coming.
GREAT video, as always! Made me want to hug the .45-70 Springfield Trapdoor I'm building. My Colt Walker is my favorite Cap & Ball, & the .22magnum North American Arms pistol.
Great video, I never knew about this system.
Excellent shooting and a very nice rifle. There are modern centerfire rifles that can't duplicate that group. One jagged hole in the target is quite impressive. Thank you again for another entertaining video.
Excellent rifle. Excellent shooting. Excellent video.
I just love your channel my Hungarian Brother!
I am from the Hidas area and love my ancestors.
I would love to visit during one of your BP matches.
Great video, and a great looking puppy!
i loved this detail analysis of a very interesting and unusual gun
This is super intriguing. Thanks for educating us on lesser known continental black powder military guns. Very neat.
Great video. I've seen these at gun shows here in collections. This was purchased by the north if memory serves me in the civil war, but I lay be wrong.
Very cool. Jager meaning hunter if my German serves me.
Great content as always. I've never heard of that cotton box method, will need to try it with Minie balls out of my rifle musket, see what they look like coming out.
Now I really liked this rifle! It must have been a formidable weapon on the battlefield.
I’m a history professor and a PhD. Big fan of your channel by the way. Usually every semester I will offer a field trip of choice to my students to come to my farmhouse to shoot my various percussion cap and flintlock rifles. I’ve observed that when students get hands on experience with history rather than just reading about it they develop a much greater interest for history.
Dear Amber, I definitely agree with you. I also take my students regularly to the range to experience the arms of the past ages. Probably this excursions won't help them to learn easier, but they surely open a door to their minds.
@@capandball, I got a matchlock musket over the summer. I’m excited to have my students witness me shooting it and hopefully all the students who come will shoot it. A lot of my students have never fired a gun before and some were scared to shoot my flintlocks and a couple were scared to shoot my percussion cap guns.
I used to shoot target for recreation, I shot for about 10 years but I gave it up a few years back. Things like this really make me miss it. I loved muzzle loading. Thinking I might get back into it and join the MLAGB here in the UK.
Beautiful firearm my friend and wonderful video, greetings from the USA
Thank you Dr Németh
I understand that there were no conical projectiles in use at this time. I would however like to see what the performance would have been like if and when the rifles ever would have used a long conical projectile with a concave bottom that would have expanded to engage the rifling. I think it would probably have been a very accurate bullet and would have produced greater ballistic co-efficiency. Love your channel over here in Louisiana.
Next episode will cover the M1849 Kammerbüchse and the Spitzkugel cartridge with conical ball.
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I might have missed it, but from where do you get tubelock primers? Nowhere in the US seems to manufacture them, and I’m not sure how much fun it’d be to make one’s own.
I make them. Check the Augustin related contents on my channel.
@@capandball Thank you!
Beyond based
i like the tube lock as it is better than the Cap as it is bigger than those tiny cap and much easier to load
I’d like to see you load the rife you’re shooting more often, rather than skipping it, as it is an important part of the demonstration.
Smooth bore rate of fire at smooth bore range while capable of slower accurate fire at long range is an improvement over smooth bore muskets.
👍 good job and video.
Fascinating!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us on the history of these firearms. When does hunting season start in Hungary? I look forward to those videos a lot.
Well done
i found this to be a very interesting rifle and a great video. I would like to see more in the percussion cap that is used for this rifle.
Could you make a video going more in depth on the priming mechanism of the rifle? It seems very interesting.
I believe he already made a video showing how to make the tube lock primers, it was very interesting.
Its in the Augustin video
I like your style and fokus on history of the rifle. My teacher told me to evaluate everything in the correct context. I am more interested in history and technics than shooting or even politics (I thing of myself more as a pacifists). I came here from realtimehistory. Greetings from Germany. Sorry for my english.
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Very interesting!
Beautiful weapon- thank u for the lessons on loading and correctly firing such a weapon- if i ever get to where i can afford to but a muzzle loader im going deer hunting with it in my state and im luke u the hunt is more important then the kill-
Thanks for keeping this history alive, just imagine the amount of testing the inventors went through and you honour them with this video. However I believe your original powder charge was closer to being correct,... in fact it should have been:- 1. a faster burning powder, 2. higher potency, 3.10mm to 12mm air gap between the ball and powder, hence less powder and no filler. What was required was a degree of detonation from the powder charge at the rear of the ball to expand the ball into the rifling groves, rather than from the front with the ram rod. My guess is that the ram rod was weighted and mark to drop from a registered marker just to snug the ball rather than ram the ball into the rifling, thus only one ramming action.
Love your videos great work! I have a Schleswig-Holstein M1848 Dornbüchse in thouvenin system, dream to get one day a delvigne system rifle
Nice vidio and iliked it rifle👍
Great video.
I have an unrelated question: Do you know of any period sources for muzzle loader fire rate? Only thing I’m aware of is Wikipedia claiming data from the Hall Rifle trial (citing a 2009 issue of American Rifleman, but I can’t find this data anywhere else and don’t have the magazine in question) saying 2.223 a minute for smoothbore and 1.3 a minute for rifled. Any other data out there?
These data are pretty close to the practical rate of fire during combat. Nearly all contemporary manuals of the 19th century give data for rate of fire, so there are plenty of info available. Some in detail info: Johann Andreas Demian: Anleitung zum Selb-Studium der Militärischen Dienstwissenschaft I. theil: Waffenlehre (Wien, 1807); William Duane: A hand book for riflemen (Philadelphia, 1813); Das deutsche Wehr- und Schützenwesen nach den technischen Anforderungen der Gegenwart (Darmstadt, 1861); Gerhard von Scharnhorst: Über die Wirkung des Feuergewehrs. Für die Königl. Preußischen Kriegs-Schulen. (Berlin, 1813); William Mueller: The elements of the science of war Vol II. (London, 1811) .
Super excellent. Like from CZ :-)
I've been waiting for this one! Great video, but do you know when the Austrian Armed Forces switched the ammunition from the round ball to the "Spitzkugel" for the Kammerbüchse? So I'm very interested in the armed conflicts of 1848-1849, but I still don't know what ammunition the "Jäger" and the Hungarian rifle troops used? Thank you very much also for your great book from Osprey
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18mm bullet!? Ouch. That's a SLUG.
Thank you for these videos I am fascinated by the Austro-Hungarian imperial armies and there is not much information about it in of cause English. So once again thank you
very cool bayonet and that was actually some good grouping on your first shots....ramming on your shoe aside of course 😉
Using cotton to catch the bullet and that shape after it came out is pretty unique. Extremely interesting... glad you took the time to show us some battlefield experimentation I shudder to think of the poor fellows that would get hit by something like this projectile and in the heat of battle even wounds in body locations that today would be merely painful would be fatal back in the 19th century
I am making paper cartages for my .44 Ruger Old Army as I watch this 😏
@@TheGoodCrusader "You make your own? Do they work well?" Yep th-cam.com/video/etohXQQNQk0/w-d-xo.html
Eccellente, as usual.
Hi, just curious about your dog at the start of the video, we have had Hungarian Viszla's for over 25 years, your dog looks like a darker version? Thanks, Ton, Oxfordshire, UK.
Hi, she is a Hannover bloodhound
@@capandball What a buitiful dog, I just looked it up, l had never heard of it. I want one, but I'm overloaded with dogs. That dog is cool
Oh yeah, nice rifle, good video
Where is the percussion compound to fire it?
Where do you find these guns in such perfect shape?
European guns from that time are typically often in nice shapes since we didn't really have a major major war(there were some smaller wars of course) in Europe at that time, so they often weren't really used terribly much
Not how I expected weaponised mushrooms to turn out, I must say.
Hi.i know this is a tad off topic, but I have original family 1860's pistols and rifles that have a smaller diameter powder chamber than the bore .for 3 quartets of a inch for a .40 rifle and 2 thirds of a inch for a .50 pistol..
I always thought that this was to put the apex of the charge on the center of the projectile even with solid base conical,abit like a snooker player hits the center for a straight shot....thoughts please .And thanks and best regards from nz..
P.s live your stuff and British
Muzzle..and mag 50...ta.
Спасибо за обзор 👍
How did You manage to make the priming of the rifle. This kind of obsolete primers hard to find. Was The reason of some misfires the primer?
Look for the Augustin and tube lock related content on my channel.
Lovely episode.
During the range session at 20:00 there is a high pitched whine in the audio, it makes listening difficult.
Yes,sorry about that!
@@capandball it's probably not an issue listening on your phone, but in my vehicle I had to get creative with the equalizer. I'm also lucky enough to still have my high frequency hearing after all these years.
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is beautiful wonderful i want a thisnice riflevery very beautiful
Just an off topic note. Your Prime Minister Viktor Orban is an impressive leader. I have another major purchase to handle this year but I've decided that as soon as I can make it to Europe for a hunting trip, it's going to be Hungary. My tourism money will be going there directly because of PM Orban. Now I just need to figure out how a foreigner can hunt there, lol.
DEEEEEEEEEP.
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Will you try a breach loading wheel lock?
If i can get my hands on one, of course.
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There are a lot of museum examples. Perhaps you could have a pistol made for yourself.
Make a video about the first M16. At the past you make videos about modern weapons like AK.
white powder that you put on gunpowder what is it?
That's corn wheat.
I think your comparison of bullet BC is not correct. That faster should be calculated at v50-v100 mark to give similar input velocities of both bullets. But that is just a small note ;)
Will the bullet fall down from the barrel if it is pointed downward???🤔🤔🤔
Definitely no.
17:30 how'd that sound with no ears? :P
How difficult is it too make a cap and ball gun? I ask because I am American, and I could make almost any weapon in my garage without getting in trouble.
you can get kits for it
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Great video as always. You have no idea how much $ you have cost me.
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the gelatin block didn't have a chance.
You should try to shoot a M1912.
And I thought only our Army was obsessed with sticking pointy, stabby things on the end of guns!
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Dang....that ball isn't a ball.... that's a Volkswagen flying through the air....
A deformed bullet. A tortured crown. And it shoots a decent group...
Amazing
Am I the only one who thought that this was a breechloader?
Kammerbuchse vs Kammerlader 😀
@@capandball Maybe you could try to find a French Tabatiere rifle now?
@@capandball Or maybe a Kammerlader converted to use 12.17×44R or shotgun shells, because I'm extremely curious how it was possible to adapt that system to metallic cartridges.
Five to six shots a minute? Yea that's not gonna happen.
Make it three, as maximum.
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