The Indigenous People of the Americas' Mythology
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- The Americas have within its landscape time capsules of mythology, held with remnants of the cultures that used to roam this world. From Alaska, across the Rockies, the great plains, deserts, Mesoamerica, and South America, there are some fascinating stories, myths, and ritual going back not just hundreds, but sometimes many thousands of years. Consider this an introduction to the subject as there is so much more I want to talk about, and so will make more videos about the Americas in the future.
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References
The Orpheus Myth in North America. Gayton, A.H. 1935. The Journal of American Folklore , Jul. - Sep., 1935, Vol. 48, No. 189 (Jul. - Sep., 1935), pp. 263-293
d'Huy, Julien. 2013. A Cosmic Hunt in the Berber Sky - a phylogenetic reconstruction of a Palaeolithic mythology
The Siberian Paleolithic site of Mal’ta: a unique source for the study of childhood archaeology
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Reassessing the chronology of the archaeological site of Anzick
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
2:54 Populating the Americas
4:32 The First Cultures in America
9:15 The Oldest Myths in America
13:27 The Cosmic Hunt
19:24 The Orpheus Myth
21:44 A Telumni version (Southern California) of the Orpheus Myth
31:39 Mesoamerica
32:09 The Olmecs
34:28 The Aztecs
38:22 The Mayans
41:26 South America and the Incas
43:20 The Haudenosaunee (Iroquois)
45:40 The Skywoman myth
50:28 The Sioux
54:19 The story of the White Buffalo Calf Woman
56:53 The Apache
58:39 My thoughts on Mythology in the Americas
In the first 9 minutes you just did a more detailed and respectful job of summarizing the early early histories of the Indigenous people of North America than 90% of the American Public school system. As person from New Mexico who is literally surrounded by many tribes and their LIVING history, I love that you did this so much! A bit of a tangent, but the Polynesians will be always be the OG explorers, settlers, and overall bad asses of the Pacific.
Thank you for your kind words and feedback, they’re very much appreciated.
I’m Choctaw, Scottish, and Creole on my dads side and Cherokee, Monacan, German, and Irish on my mothers side. I know a bit about my heritage here and there, but now I have to look up the Polynesians…I love comments on videos like this. Sometimes you can learn as much in this section as you will in the video you’re watching. Thank you for your input. Hopefully it will give curious people another path to follow in their interest in the amazing first people’s in North America. May all of our people soon find their way back home and become closer to our Creator and Mother Earth first that will renew their soul as Grandfather intended. Y’all take care! Peace!! ✌🏽🫶🏼💯
Yes, I read folk tales of the South Pacific, and I had the most vivid dreams for about a month afterward and during the time I was reading it. Thanks for sharing.
We are and always will be a great people with a rich history. The fact that we were on this land for 15k years, until Rome finally mustered up the power and strength along with monarchs to brutalized and attempt a genocide against my ancestors. To understand this dark history of Europe and its spread to the America's you must see all the atrocities committed by the Pope and other religious monarchs. in the end choose wisely because everything will come back around again full circle. So be it. Thank you for your kind words at this point it isn't about race, it's about the crimes against humanity, thru out the world beyond the religious farce.
Guess you missed the part where the Indians were always at war and were eating each other while they were still alive 😂
Native mythology goes insanely hard you should absolutely do more videos on their myths, there's gold mines of content to cover there
Amazing how much of it is recycled into modern fake religions.
Or hey maybe let indigenous people tell their own stories, You said gold mine and that's just what it is people profiting off of indigenous people and are cultures yet again
There's nothing wrong with doing research and making content on other people's cultures if you can do it respectfully and your goal is to teach, it's just the word "gold mine" is kinda gross
TECUMSEH
Aboriginal Indians of the Americas
Copper Colored Tribes of America
Now known as black or African Americans.
Nope.
I'll check back to see where this dude goes with this.
THANK YOU!!!!! As someone who ancestral history is basically lost to colonial assimilation. It's hard to learn but extremely rewarding. My roots are from the Natives in mexico from modern day zatlcatecas and jalisco. The more I learned as a grew about my roots the more complete I felt as a person. These connections are so important to not let be forgotten
You have an amazing heritage and should be very proud of the people you come from. When you consider that all wonderful discoveries that have come out that region of Mexico are just the very tip of the iceberg of what is to be seen over the next few decades. I believe that the archeological findings there will be comparable to what has been found in ancient Egypt and possibly surpass it. I can't wait to take a tour of all their public monuments and hope that you get the chance.
This was a lovely episode. 😊 I grew up with the story of Skywoman. I lived near the Seneca People and became interested and enchanted by the dances, stories, games and culture from an early age. It was wonderful to hear you tell that story, and all the others of the People you told here. Many Blessings to you, Sir. Thank you for yet another great video!
I do posts and consulting on Mesoamerica,, so I wanted to provide some clarifications/corrections, though you did a solid job considering how much you had to cover! I def think there's room for more Mesoamerican videos that dive deeper on specific topics, especially some Pan-Mesoamerican myth/deity archetypes and cultural concepts, like your vids on Pan-Eurasian stuff! Anyways, to start off with my input: The Olmec DID have some of Mesomerica's earliest cities and a lot of later archetypical Mesoamerican practices, but they weren't quite a singular mother culture: A lot of "Olmec" art found outside the core Olmec heartland (Southern Veracruz and Western Tabasco) is now thought to not be from Olmec conquests or colonies/cultural spread, and not merely trade, but also from elites in other parts of Mesoamerica adopting the "Olmec" style due to it being in vogue at the time, and in fact some of what we consider "Olmec" motifs may have actually originated in other parts of Mesoamerica, as cities and complex societies were sort of developing all over: It's just the Olmec Heartland had some of the earliest and largest towns/cities.
I think the Olmec focus on Jaguars deserved further explanation, given how big you are on region wide or multi-regional origin myths: Olmec depictions of Were-Jaguars (though there's some debate if that's what they really are) with their slanted eyes, snarled mouth, and thick eyebrows evolved and branched off into different Mesoamerican Rain gods (like the Aztec Tlaloc, Maya Chaac, Zapotec Cocijo etc) over time belonging to a shared Archetype, with those features variously evolving into "goggles" around the eyes, a hooked prehensile nose or upper lip, and fangs. Next, the big Olmec head sculptures seem to have actually been re-carved from a different sculptural type, possibly thrones, depicting rulers or gods emerging from caves. Lastly, while I know you just meant it as a ball player example, but to be clear, the Ceramic at 33:03 is Maya, not Olmec, and that the Olmec probably didn't have a specific collapse, but merely developed into the later Epi-Olmec culture which in turn sort of got subsumed into some Maya and so called Classic Veracruz cultures.
Before I get into the Aztec, I do want to clarify for other viewers that a lot was happening in Mesoamerica between ~400BC and the decline of the Olmec culture and the rise of the Aztec around ~1300AD: The Zapotec started to emerge a bit earlier then the Olmec's decline in Oaxaca, and they and the Mixtec civilization had a lot of stuff going on across those periods and to Spanish contact, Teotihuacan (a pyramid of which you actually show at 36:29, rather then that being an Aztec pyramid: The Aztec did actually adopt some Teotihuacano art and architectural motifs as a "Teotihuacan revival style" and even did excavations there, but ironically their pyramids were NOT that similar!) was a major power in Central Mexico from 100-600AD, which was followed by various notable sites like Xochicalco, Tula, Cantona, etc; West Mexico took longer to urbanize but had it's own towns and eventually big empires like the Purepecha, etc. There's so much more then just the Olmec, Aztec, and Maya! By extension, a lot of what you say are Maya influences on the Aztec are really just shared traits across many Mesoamerican cultures that all influenced each other, rather then those two, specifically.
Okay, so, the Aztec! Tenochtitlan is absolutely as much or even more of an engineering marvel as you say, but to be clear, the Chinampas were less floating gardens, and more artificial islands (though sorta both?), and the city's population was more 200k, not the upper 300k figure you give (some researchers go even lower though still very big). Also, while the Luis Covarrubias art at 35:16 is a good representation of the city, i'm not sure why it's so smeary? If you do more Mesoamerican videos I can supply you with artistic reconstructions, including from artists I am friends with, like Zotzcomic/Daniel Parada, Rafael Mena, OHS688, and many more. I also want to shout out Scott and Stuart Gentling's AMAZING paintings of Aztec cityscapes!
The idea that the Aztec captured instead of killed enemies in war is sort of a misconception: Capturing enemies alive was certainly seen as an important practice, but it was more a impressive feat one could be lauded as an outlier (hence capturing being a way to advance through the ranks as an unusual feat) for more then the entire way warfare worked, outside of specific Flower Wars which focused on it (and even those had pragmatic geopolitical and military uses): Mesoamerican warfare was normally absolutely tactical and resource/politically driven. As far as sacrifice itself, this wasn't really done to honor rulers (though sacrifice was in part a flex of state/royal military power) but to repay the gods, as you say later: The idea that it was needed to keep the sun rising/to avoid the end of the world is also sort of people mixing a few different beliefs and myths together, such as the Coatepec mountain myth, the New Fire Ceremony, the 5 Suns Creation Myth, and beliefs around Tlatecuhtli eating the sun or it traveling through the underworld of Mictlan at night... so they didn't specifically think sacrifices made the sun rise/prevented the world from ending, but there are some beliefs or religious events with parts of that. Dis-entangling that could be a cool video! And yes, the Aztec were definitely NOT sacrificing 80,000 people in one event, or even per year: The recent Skull Rack excavations suggest a 100s to 1000s a year, not 10,000s.
Also, speaking of Coatepec mountain, another pan-Mesoamerican trait is that pyramids were emulating sacred mountains, which in turn have ties to heavenly afterlife's (often flowery paradises, seen in both Aztec, Maya, Teotihuacan etc culture; as are watery afterlifes, with pools of water, caves, and mirrors all sharing iconography and being viewed as underworld gateways: Nearly IDENTICAL depictions of cave openings/underworld entrances as the maw of a monster are seen in both early examples of Olmec art and late Aztec art, and across the 3000 years between!), with the Great Temple in Tenochtitlan specifically meant as a earthy recreation of Coatepec Mountain, where Huitzlioptochli was born fully armed like Athena and slew his siblings, including Coyolxauhqui, with body falling to the mountain's base, so likewise a stone disc depicting Coyolxauhqui was located at the base of the Great Temple, and the bodies of sacrifices were thrown down the steps in certain ceremonies. (also, Huitzilopochtli was not "the sun god", though he did have solar associations... it's sort of complicated!)
As a nice segue when you bring up other Aztec gods like Tlaloc, the Great Temple actually had twin shrines to Huitzlioptochli and Tlaloc, representing a duality of fire and water, which together represented conflict and warfare, as well as represented some myths of the cities founding (dualism is also a common theme across Aztec philosophy, and dualist epithets were a lyrical element of their Nahuatl language with poetry and speeches). Quetzalcoatl also, like Tlaloc, belonged to a wider archetype of Pan-Mesoamerican feathered serpent gods, which can be seen all the way back in Olmec art: I think calling him a dragon is a little assumptive, since as I said, he belongs to a wider Pan-proto Mesoamerican archetype (Actually, some argue there's an even wider Proto/Pan american sky serpent archetype that extends to the Southwestern Native American and eastern moundbuilder cultures, perhaps Andean ones too!) rather then the Eurasian ideas of serpents and dragons... and actually, Mesoamerica DOES have a primordial water monster archtype that both the Aztec, maya, etc had, and in fact Quetzalcoatl is said to have slain it alongside other gods, it's body used to create the world, sort of like Tiamat.
Lastly for the Aztec, while it is true Cortes tried to play divide-and-conquer to take the Aztec down, it was as much local Mesoamerican kings and officials using and manipulating him as the other way around: Xicomecoatl, the king of the Totonac city of Cempoala, tricked Cortes into trying to help them attack their rival Totonac city of Tzinpantzinco. The Tlaxcalteca likely fed Cortes information that led to the Cholula massacre, and used the event to install a Tlaxtelca puppet regime on the city after it had just recently switched from a Tlaxcalteca ally to an Aztec one. Ixtlilxochitl II was a prince in Texcoco/Tetzcoco, and used Cortes to get back at Tenochtitlan after it backed a different claimant for the throne in Texcoco a few years prior, to name a few examples. It is a shame so many sources on the Cortes expedition soley focus on the Spanish perspective and political background when the Mesoamerican side of things had just as much going on and were pulling the strings and spearheading how events played out at least as much.
I'm running out of space, so i'll skip over some Maya stuff (39:46 and 40:19 aren't Maya, for example), but I wanted to quickly say that the Maya did not merely have a "kind of", "iconographic" writing system, but full, true writing: In addition to the logograms which work like egyptian hierogylphs or some Chinese characters, they subglyphs representing each syllable in the spoken language which can be combined into words. the Zapotec and Epi-Olmec scripts were also true writing or something close to it, Teotihuacano and Olmec writing's structure is debated, and Aztec and Mixtec writing is more pictographic or iconographic, though they still have some phonetic elements. Also, while the Andes isn't my area, I think mentioning earlier pre-inca civilizations would have been cool, especially since ther are some shared gods, archtypes, and motifs that can be seen in say Moche art and also later Inca art, etc.
Thank you. I saw your twitter post, and will keep you in mind when I delve deeper into the Mesoamericas.
@@Crecganford Happy to help! I just hope that my comment didn't come off as overly critical or anything: As I said, you covered a TON in this video and understandably weren't able to do a deep dive on every little thing, and within those constraints I truly think you did a good job: I get Mesomerica is a niche topic and it's tough to find information if you're not specializing into it!
By the way, there are actually whole charts showing the spread and development of those Rain gods I mentioned originating from Olmec Were-Jaguars: If you search "Mesoamerica rain god evolution" you can pretty easily find some, seems like something you'd be interested in! I think Karl Taube also has a free paper/excerpt about Mirror iconography at Teotihuacan which touches on Pan-Mesoamerican mirror, cave, etc symbolism.
What a great comment!
I swear, every time someone creates content about this region there's always jerkoffs posting novels like this strictly to be a know-it-all. To them, everything's inaccurate and they ALWAYS have to give their corrections because they have to always be the one that's the real expert. It's exhausting.
@@TheGoldenCapstone The whole point of videos on stuff like this is education, why is more information a problem?
For the first time I actually have a cup of tea for this
Coincidently, me too.
Your mellow voice is so calming. I want to curl up and take a nap.
Thanks for the great video!!
The amount of tea I’ve been drinking since becoming a Crecganford subscriber has exponentially increased. Fantastic video!
That is fantastic news!
I attended a class at university about native Americans´ history and really liked how important the understanding of their languages is to analyse their world views and myths. Also the importance of emphasis and rythm in telling the myths.
There´s so much that we probably completely misinterpreted because (non-native) scholars didn´t bother to do a proper translation - sometimes because it just didn´t occur to them that there could be another relevant factor, sometimes because they where just overall sloppy and didn´t bother to check their bias.
In addition to Stefan Milo, I'd suggest North02 on TH-cam. He did a wonderful video on the connections between people and dogs in N. American culture and beliefs which goes really well alongside the references to dogs in this video.
A few people have mentioned North02, I shall take a look when I get the chance.
I wanted to ask if you saw the 'tidying up' mouse video on BBC News. It made me think of The Elves and the Shoemaker, and also the House Elf, unseen creatures that tidy up in the night. And it could have a real basis! @@Crecganford
seconding this!
@@JM-The_CuriousI saw that video, it was great!
Been watching your stuff for a while because of my interest in PIE cultures. I think this was one of the best things you’ve done. Really great. Seemed like some really strong similarities between the one story and that of Gilgamesh visiting Utnapishtim.
What's PIE?
@@jeremyt4292 Probably Proto Indo European
@@Zumbs Yes, you nailed it, Proto Indo European.
i do so love your calm voice! when you tell the story of the myths i connect to my inner-child a little XD
I'd love to hear more native american myths and african myths!
I have started a channel called "Crecganford Reads" if you like my voice, and I will add more stories and poems over time.
@@Crecganford love it! i'll head over now! :D
You’re the best, John. This was an awesome video. I am so fascinated with the similarities between American Myth, and Sami, and other Eurasian myths, and those common ancestors 30k years ago. I think it’s beautiful how unified humanity is through these stories. I would love to hear more like this. Thanks for always doing such amazing research and sharing it with us.
Wonderful presentation. Really enjoying the North American myths (I reside in the northeastern USA) it’s fascinating to learn more about the stories in the lands I call home. I’m excited for more content.
Thank you so much for doing such a wonderful job of telling the stories of my people. Its not often done well and youve done the best ive seen!
Thank you so much!
I feel like I not only backed the winning horse but had each way money on 2nd place too. That's because the folklore of the native cultures of North America fascinates me, literally i can't get enough of it just like my fascination with the various peoples and their mythology all ready covered on this most excellent channel
Thank you for your kind words and continued support.
WOW! What a project! There are SO many Native American myths!🎉
Yes, and many are really interesting, and so it is a shame there is so little time to tell as many as I can.
@@CrecganfordI hope you have time to come back to the subject and do more videos!
The Poverty point sight in Louisiana, is definitely a treasure trove of early North American history. My favorite artifacts are carved red jasper in the shapes of owls and the post holes for some kind of designated area. An archaeologist, which his specialty being the northeastern woodland’s, has done work at Poverty Point and in the earliest contested human site in Alaska (& many more) has done videos about the earliest North Americans if anyone has interest. I will leave a link. (Fair warning, he is an archaeologist, not a story teller, so the material is very “dry” and clinical, but thorough & in accordance to the scientific methods…. you won’t find support for conspiracy theories there lol)
Please leave a link
Two quick comments: Read "The Tale of Jumping Mouse" from Seven Arrows by Storm. This is a wonderful esoteric story. Also, from James Alexander Thom's historic novel Panther in the Sky is the chapter featuring the Shawnee Ice Ritual. In a brief correspondence with the author, he was ammenable to having this portrayal excerpted that it might be anthologized.
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I was picking up seven arrows to read before bed when I saw you comment, interesting timing
@@juniperpaul-mb2om Just as every philosophical engine has a speculative intake and an exhuast, this dualistic thinking would have us affirm either a hopeful or doubtful perspective as a 'self-serving' tendency in order to stabilize our identity, functionality and comanding identity..and yet...
One's present 'experiential mind' is naturally open, transparent and currently intra-personal. While our thought oriented 'cognitive mind' may simulteniously embrace and disavow synchronicity as a conceptual wonder, beyond reverential skepticism, is a Sensibility, which immediacy affirms via an attentive readiness should this subtlty of reoccuring significance waltz about...[a 3:00 am muse]
You are doing a good job. Voice style is perfect, cozy, and welcoming. More on this topic please. Inuit in Alaska if possible
Thank you, and I'll add it to my list of videos to make.
kazhak turks still tell their folkloric turkish myths with music...most probably these myths are the common stories of all our common ancestors we had before we split into sister groups and nations...probably thats why there are similiar myths deriving from siberia,central and east asia,even anatolia...most probably the stories went until europe...the white buffalo,calf,woman,goddess reminds me of scythian white horse sacrifices when their princes died,and indian cow being sacred...
I'd love to hear an elaboration about what the phylogenetic (spelling?) research has shown, about when and where these four different immigrations might have taken place, and if it was just in relation to that one story or more broad mythological and language trends.
Love the indigenous myth stories. Thank you, great podcast!❤
Thank you for your hard work. I love mythology and don't have a lot of time to read and research. The channel is one of my go to Playlists for work.
Thank you for your support.
Please continue this series!
I had just gotten my cup of tea and sat down to peruse when I saw that a video had posted the day before, and I knew it was meant to be. Not to mention this is a subject I am completely fascinated by, and you have done it great justice. Thank you!
Could listen to you talk about the fascinating mysteries of the native peoples of the Americas for hours
Thank you this was quite thoughtful of you, especially the ways included numerous locations.
I appreciate you man, always enjoy learning about the lesser known cultures and mythologies and the connection between all cultures/mythologies.
Awesome video! I really hope that you do more videos about the mythology of the Americas!
Thank you! Another skilled Epic-View. Your sharing is always appreciated! Looking forward to your
next journey and your weaving your way through the America's with stories!
Great video ❤you usually make me laugh but today I cried listening to the old stories❤
Thanks for this video! I was intimidated by the length of the video, but the intro and break up between myths and history and culture made it very palatable. Stephen Milo is a great youtuber. I'm glad you did a small archaeology introduction to the area while reminding us it is not your field and recommending others for more information.
I would welcome more videos on Native American myths (particularly the Salish peoples and the rest of the diverse Pacific Northwest) and their spread more similar to your other videos if possible due to the sourcing of their myths.
Check out the TH-cam channel called Indigenous History Now! For some really great history of the PNW. As a half Coast Salish person, he's my favourite TH-camr.
Thank you for doing this video. It was much more interesting than the dry lectures I had to sit through in college. You always bring these stories to life. I appreciate your work.
I really love your videos. I love how you bring it all together, and in this one, I greatly appreciate how you delivered the stories. Really well done.
Thank you so much!
This was so beautiful it made me tear up. The way you take care to show respect and give a nuanced view🥹 I’m a RE teacher student and am setting out to do my part in hindering erasure of indigenous culture, and good learning material like this for indigenous religion has not been easy to find. Looking forward to many more videos!
Oh, and if you know Sámi mythology and history I’d love to see a video on that! Any work that can be done to preserve knowledge about sámi religion is much needed❤️💚💛💙
Thank you for taking us on this journey. The Telumni version is so beautiful! I know this is off topic, but I was wondering where you got your figurines from. I’m fascinated by them!
Thank you so much!!! Already Im a huge fan of tea and history with u, this episode is about a subject I love!
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Facinating as always! Just the Bering Straight didn't freeze: there was a land passage as the level of the oceans was more than 100 meters lower than now (because of the amount of ice covering the lands in the last Ice Age). So you could just walk from Asia to America without much fuss.
Source please? 😊
@petrapetrakoliou8979 : Yeah, and it's So much easier to Walk across a thousand miles of Ice NEXT to the also Ice-Ridden Land than it would have been to get in a boat, back on your Asian Beachhead, which you already had because your peeps Always went fishing in the never-empty grocery store we know as "The Ocean" before they traveled East, Away from their origins, than to Walk across a thousand miles of ice on which you had to Stop And Fish in, statically & exhaustively, instead of traveling by The Boat which allowed you to fish AND eat, While you traveled East which you could navigate Adjacent to the Ice/Land Bridge you really preferred to Walk across, because how much more Convenient would it be to survive that Much Longer and Terrorific Adventure across Ice than to wind up in North America on Your Boat in a matter of many DAYS instead of, minimum, MONTHS, nay, YEARS????? WHAT A FOOLISH NOTION THAT JOURNEY BY BOAT MUST HAVE BEEN, hmm??
The Northwest Indians told of AND SHOWED early Anthropologists drawings of their Boat legends, which the much wiser Anthropolgists, of much smarter European origin, dismissed as cute little myths of the Ignorant Indian Descendents of the really dumb Boat-using North Americans they interviewed who tried in vain to make the Wise Old/Young Anthropologists of the late 19th and early 20th Century of much wiser European origin To Grasp The Obvious when the Wiser Smarter Racists who Knew their Asian Ancestors were too DUMB TO BUILD BOATS Swooned before the Revelation they Recently Created instructing them the First North Americans HAD to have taken the brand-new theoretical ICE BRIDGE! Which the descendants of the first North Americans Could Never Fathom how their descendants Actually Got Here.
@@craigbhill Land bridge, not ice bridge, you just have to walk and follow the prey on very flat land. There were alternatives to fishing in the Paleolithic, like hunting mammouths and other animals, it was quite a common thing, they had exactly the tools to do so and even used the bones of their prey to make other tools or works of art. Sorry, as a European, I don't really get the passionate racial debate you guys turn every question into, we just don't have those here (except perhaps for neonazis). Speaking a Finno-Ugric language, I feel related to Europeans, Siberians and Amerindians as well.
Yas. Been wanting this video since I first started following your channel
One observation. If the deer is a mother deer and catch the sun in its antlers, it must be a reindeer.
The reindeer is to my knowledge the only deer were the females have antlers.
I have been eagerly awaiting your examination of the mythology of the First Nations peoples. This introduction was done with your customary rigour and a tangible respect.
If you could consider any of the following I should be extremely grateful. I've suggested a few books I have found useful:
The Navajo Coyote Tales (Berard Haile, University of Nebraska Press) Some of these tales are utterly perplexing - I imagine a deeper cultural awareness is required.
The Navajo Creation Story - (Dine Bahane' - Zolbrod, University of New Mexico Press) The Jicarilla Creation story is broadly similar, but they are both Athabascan peoples. (Myths and Tales of the Jicarilla - Opler, University of Nebraska Press.) I've also seen a few similarities with Hopi myths, an unrelated people (the Hopi are Uto-Aztecan) but near to the Navajo and Jicarilla, geographically.
I'll leave it that. One does not wish to overstay one's welcome.
Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. Thank you.
Thanks, wonderful background and storytelling, as always.
Well done my friend. As always!
I like that a key feature in a lot of those myths is take your loved one walk out of here and never look back and each of the heroes right before leaving decides to look back
Interesting there is a segment about my Mothers folks, Apache.....the lineage is Gael/Apache......and yes they are Athabaskan based in linguistics. The Athabaskan based linguistic group spans Alaska, Canada down to the south west. Yes, there are cultural connections to the Asian/Siberian Steppes and Altai area.. This is a very interesting subject when looking at individual cultures such as Yup'ik, Athabaskans, Inuit, Tlingit, Haida. My folks on the Yukon River continue to use some things that are almost exactly like what some of the Mongolian people use, such as the small curved knife we call an Ulu which is easy to carry and use for cutting up food items etc..
Yes, more on the migration patterns according to DNA analyses combined with dress and linguistics would be very interesting!!
Ah so lovely to tune in and see your take on this...😊❤ love this topic and exploration of the past.
Got the rest of the night off to make some tea and dive into this! Super excited
Thank you for this video, it was very interesting and an opportunity to learn. I would love to hear more about the cultures, stories, and history of the American peoples.
Seems likely that MUCH archaeologic findings are on Beringia under the sea. And the old coast goes way out under the Pacific. And similar links range across the Northern Atlantic. So many people, so many tales gone - but for the ghosts.
The libraries in Mexico and central America where burned by the Spanish. One written language still exists because is cut into stone so much that it has been preserved.
Ive always said the reason mexico is so rampant with all forms of Catholicism is because it was forced by the barrel of a gun. Either you became a mestizo, and forgot your heritage or you became an outsider never fully welcomed in "society".
There's not much content I want to consume these days, this is gold 🥇 thanks 🙏
always so much fun to listen to your videos. thank you.
Great episode, thanks! There are so many different myths, and many probably align with Grecian/indo European stories. The Haida have stories about Raven - the trickster, like Loki, or Hermes.
This is great. I've been doing a lot of reading about all this myself and keep seeing similarities with beliefs from all around the world.
I would love to hear more about the Thunderbird, Nanabozho and Coyote.
Just listening to you describe the orpheus myth, i realised that's Oisín and Tír na nÓg. Although i find it interesting that he stayed in the otherworld and was pulled back here and unfortunately had to stay.
The America we know (and I love) today is NOT the America that once was. We were all one people long ago.
Sure, we fought and clashed globally, but long ago, before the "civilized" societies we know of today, there was a deep spiritual connection to the land we all held.
Native Americans are simply one of the last to experience the genocide and undoing of their cultural ways, and my heart truly hurts for them. But I'm glad that at least they and a few others have had the chance to hold on to, at least some of their sacred rituals and beliefs.
Thank you for your amazing videos and insight that continue keeping these ways alive today.
Without people like you, many cultures may be truly lost.
Love this video. Long time ago, I was very negative about a passage that mentioned corn, and would like to explain that is because Corn in the US, is often the word we associate with Maize. And don't really make the same distinction between Peppercorn and Corn (maize), as the former, is normally referred to as simply Pepper. Great stuff hitting the Americas. The literature is sparse, but it would be interesting to see what you can find about the indigenous folk of the Caribbean too, as they also took the long way to get there.
My wife is Onondaga (Iroquois, or as they call themselves, Haudenosaunee), and this was a nice change of pace. 👍
Thankyou! Denisovan migration maps and genome, as recently published, seem to be also of interest on some aspects mentioned by you.
Amazing myth again and how you filter and bundle a whole continent and 20K years 🎉
My 5cents:
-This 30‘000 years date was mentioned often here, what happened by that time of signifance?
-The twins motive you had associated with PIE in another video but as it arrived in americas it‘s older than PIE (~6K BCE) ? and the same applies for the Skymother/ earth creation myth, the otherworld myth.
-Would be interested to hear what from those myth are shared with north siberian finnugrian cultures, and what is really new/unique in americas. It seems this moriv emphasizing the sun is unique compared to eurasia, where the storm/war goods got more prominent?
Would love a 2nd part comparing eurasia/americas to see where they split of and developped new, shared big ideas
That great feedback, and I will be making more videos on this topic and will try and answer these and other questions within that.
I know this video is just over one hour long but it felt like I was watching for only 3 minutes. Great video, thank you for sharing!
Wow, thank you for your kind words, that means alot.
Love this!!! Please explore it more!!
Liked before watching! Grest topic!
Very interesting, I've long been fascinated by native American mythology. Thank you for delving into this area
I’d love to see more videos on the Americas!
Awesome video!
Thank you.
Always interesting Would you have any data/stories about myths from Japan? The Jomon culture was around for a long time. Would there be any data on their myths related to indo-european ones? And Jomon myths in relation (if any) to Shinto, Ainu and Ryukyu myths in recent history? It’s very hard finding anything online imo.
I’m currently reading a few books about Japanese myth, so I will answer this in a video in the coming months… with data and stories :)
@@Crecganford yes please
Ooooh my side of the pond.
I’m super excited to watch!!!!
One of your best. Congratulations.
I absolutely love this video! I am of native American heratage and would love to hear more of the myths of the Choctaw :)
Very interesting, thanks!
There is a peoples in the American SW that have the story they are people of the 'Pleiades.' I think that is a story about them living at the Bering Strait for a period of time and talking about the Northern Lights and the stars of those skies.
There are many stories about the stars, and Pleiades, and so I will definitely make a video about this in the future.
Geronimo's true name was Goy'la'the, meaning "He who yawns in the face of his enemies", which I think is epic!
54:26 This is Navajo country in New Mexico and Arizona. The beautiful red rock formations are here. The northern area is also known as The Four Corners (N.M., Ar., Colorado, and Utah). :) 🪶🦅🌽🫘🌱
The Sioux lived in the western Midwest, “where the buffalo roam(ed)”. 🦬🌾🦌🌼
Go in harmony (Navajo) 🌅
Could you do a comparative video on how neighboring religions mirror & parallel?
It seems that many cultures and their myths source from common a foundation - then the ripple effect of a single bisection of that culture, after generations, lead to mirroring depictions in the same myths but from differing perspective/opinion.
A general comparison is possible, let me have a think about how to produce such a video, but this will be added to my To Do list. Thank you for the suggestion.
I would like to learn more about Wampanoag and Abenaki mythology. One of my ancestors was a Mayflower Pilgrim. I was able to learn quite a lot about him and only a little about the native folks that rescued the colony by reading the history books/journals about the Pilgrims. I was disappointed that I was unable to learn much more. There are few books in the local library or Amazon about them. I want to learn more and help to remember them because they saved my ancestor’s life. I literally would not exist if they hadn’t helped. I also wish that the immigration of European hadn’t been so tragic for them. Greed, war, and smallpox are horrible.
Sorry if this has already been mentioned that Haudenosaunee is pronounced "Hoe-den-oh-show-nee". Another incredible deep dive!
I'd love to see a video about the Tupinambás' myths, if possible 😊
Wonderful episode, thanks so much. I have lived with American Indian (I asked - name doesn’t really matter to many Native Americans) culture since 5th grade, where I learned about them prior to the introduction of the European culture.
I always knew myths were the spiritual tales of peoples, but emotionally I finally really felt the meaning by the way you explained them. I appreciate this very much. 🌘✨☀️🌽🫘🦅🦬🌲⛰️🌄
I love his narration voice.
Thank you, I have just started a channel called “Crecganford Reads” where I just tell stories if you like my voice.
A second comment lol; I got so excited when you mentioned Stefan Milo 😂
You also taught us about the cosmic hunt in the Australian Aboriginal myths and spiritual culture. Theirs is less complicated and came directly from the more ancient myths.
Just to mention, similar fairy tales also appear world wide. For instance, there are Cinderella tales in China, Africa, and northeastern Native American peoples. Pretty amazing. They include the bad sisters, getting messy with ashes while tending the fire, and finding a prince or god and marrying him. The sisters always fail a test of some kind and special clothing. Fascinating. Thank you again :) 🌷🌱
I really appreciated your clarification on the archeological sites, as a paleoanthropology nerd 😂 at first I was like "now hold on just a second..."
You forgot to remind us to click the like button. But I remembered, eventually! 🙂
I love your work - Thank you!
Nice Sutton Hoo figurine you got there on the shelf!
Thank you for this video.
wait a minute...a similiar story goes around at a köroglu myth with cenghiz khan...in his tribe,they his son wounds and kills a baby deer by a speer,the baby deer dies,its mother desperately taking revenge from the son later...cenghiz khans son dies at the end of the story,and the dombra,so the musical string instrument remains with two strings because of the mother deers sorrow...i believe this is a common story told,going from ancestor to ancestor,until it reaches folk songs and dances...turks and turkic people have definitely a common ancestor with the ancient american indians,going back 30000 years since the myth is that age!it all makes sense now...astonishing,how long this myth has lived...
This was great! Yes to more!
Oneida is like oh-NYE-duh like the science guy. The other of the 5 nations were close enough - hard to get closer thru written words in a comment, anyway. I think there were a couple other names in the episode where your pronunciation made me think for a sec, but I knew what you meant for all of them.
Thank you for helping me understand how they should be pronounced, it is appreciated.
Shout out to Stefan Milo. My other favorite TH-cam presenter on ancient cultures.
Nice one
They became known as the Sioux, or a word like it, in the seventeenth century, when their enemies, the Ojibwas, told the French that that was what they were called.👍 Great Podcast 👍
It's crazy how many different variations of the Sky Woman story we have, though. She was the wife of the Creator. In one version, the tree falls into a sinkhole into the middle world & she falls in with it. In others, she cheats on the Creator with another deity or otherwise passes him off & he throws her down there on purpose, as punishment. In some versions, the Creator is the father of her children, in others, the leader of the seven Thunder gods, Hino, is & in others, the wind God Geha is.
I find that the Aztec lost city of Atzlan vs Plato's Atlantis is very telling. Especially when you consider how close in pronunciation the two names are. just drop the 'tis' and they are practically cognates. Not to mention the description of Atlantis compared to Cortez' description of the Aztec capital city.
The problems are that Aztlan isn't really described as a city, just the place where the Mexica came from. Plus, the capitol city, itself, was already there when the Mexica got there. The other two nations that made up the Aztec Empire allowed them to settle there & the Mexica rebuilt it & expanded on it.
The origin STORY of Atlantis was a throwaway line in a single sentence. Later fabulists expanded thence its brilliant thesis that it sank, approximately, now, about 11,000 yrs ago when its supposed contemporaneous civilization, Athens, was not even a glint in Zeus' eye.
Checkmate.
Regarding the alleged lack of a Mesoamerican story involving a conflict between a rain god and a dragon, I think there actually is if you consider what Quetzalcoatl (together with his brother Tezcatlipoca) did to the water-monster, the crocodilian Cipactli. They went down into the water and killed her, and with her dismembered body created the heavens and the earth (similar to Marduk and Tiamat). What I am saying is reinforced by the fact that Quetzalcoatl is a sub-complex, outgrowth or fission, of the rain god Tlaloc. In his guise as Ehecatl (wind), Quetzalcoatl goes before Tlaloc, sweeping the way, the wind before the rain. So with Quetzalcoatl vs. Cipactli we do have a rain god (or at least a sub-complex of one) battling a dragon.
Great video. In ancient times, Cherokee women grew out their hair until the day they mourn over a family member.
Okay. I’m brewing some English breakfast tea in my Brown Betty and getting ready for more fascinating stories