@Saad Bin Masud I made a typing error I was supposed to edit sorry ...😳but ... I do suggest you have faith in Jesus my friend, Messiah died for our sins according to the Scriptures was buried and rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures 1Cori thians 15--34
Unlike in other Faiths where the bride and groom essentially marry each other by offering vows and the Church functioning as a witness to that act, in the Orthodox Faith, the Church, itself, is the agent that marries the couple by sealing the union between them through its sacramental action----the couple having previously expressed its desire to be married.
I married orthodox and we promised each other till death do us apart. Marriage is not a contract, but a covenant. A contract can be broken, a covenant cannot.
Thank you, this is very good. Where if there's love, there's natural desire to please one another. Where each other will sacrifice for the good of the other. Only thing, many times one doesn't understand the needs of another, worse, a lack of communication where often we do not ask and the other doesn't tell. Then so many times a woman expects a man to read her mind or just know, which causes issues. Yet, that's why we have a mouth and a pair of ears. Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus is a very good starting point. I forgot most, but when relationship counselors use it, it shows validity, as well as when used for a singles group, where everyone sits around and talks about each topic of man's needs and wants vs. woman's. Which conversation is very important. Yet reaffirms what's the padre has just said, where we do not do things from obligation, but because we want too from the heart.
This is not quite true. Marriage contracts were normative across Orthodox lands (for ex Byzantium). The full teaching would be that marriage is not ONLY a contract. Unfortunately, the contractual element has been effectively lost in American Orthodoxy. Heck, we even have a betrothal service ; certainly that has a legal historical meaning?
Marriage in Orthodox countries typically DID include a contract as well. (ex. sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/byz-marr726.html). This is a very good exposition though of how Orthodox marriage is MORE than a contract.
Jaacob Ok... I myself am learning about Orthodoxy so I have lots of questions on lots of subjects, etc... So, am curious to know, was the contractual aspect you're referring to a part of the ceremony, or tagged on the back end as a requirement of the state...?
Sorry for the late response - I’m actually not sure about that. However, the presence of the betrothal service would indicate to me some legal quality even within the service
I Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them (the wives) according to knowledge, giving honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being herirs together of the grave of life; that your prayers be not hindered. Have you ever heard priests or clergy warn husbands about this? There are requirements for both! Everyone loves to drill the women on obedience. If the husband loves the wife, he does not require obedience as a tyranant!
Totally disagree with this. This is what happens when you fall out of communion with the Holy See. I find the Orthodox teaching on divorce and remarriage very troublesome; three strikes and you're out! Not sure how that squares with Jesus' teaching on divorce and remarriage?
It's the heart of stone part of it, and Deuteronomy 24. Barring divorce is something quite modern within the Catholic Church. The Orthodox Church doesn't grant the Sacrament of Marriage lightly, so divorces are quite rare anyways. As for the numbers, it's just the canons, and the Bishops and the Holy Spirit seemed it wise that way, rather than declaring it dogma.
@@emilianoestevarena5071 If I'm going from personal experience, there seems to be a very relaxed culture of an acceptance of divorce among my Orthodox friends - I know plenty who have divorced and re-married, so I don't believe it's as uncommon as you might like to believe - at least that has been my experience anyways
@@ela7893 I haven't seen that where I go, but Church communities are way too diverse and with the current state of fallenness worldwide it doesn't surprise me that such a relaxation should happen.
@@emilianoestevarena5071 what do you mean by "heart of stone" part of it? And how would you justify the "three strikes" rule that the Orthodox teaches regarding divorce and remarriage?
@@ela7893 The heart of stone thing is in the Gospel, though it may vary according to the translation. Jesus tells the Pharisees that Moses granted them divorce due to their unrepentant nature (i.e. heart of stone), but that the ideal is that they should be united like Adam and Eve. As for the strike issue, or the specific grounds for divorce, I'm simply not qualified to answer why that amount of opportunities. Maybe a Bishop is more qualified than me to evacuate that doubt to you. All I can tell you is that a Christian may easily fall into the spirit of a Pharisee and, in that light, you may see why divorce happens. I've seen these hearts of stones in their full extent and it's quite demonic.
I'm speechless...wow, I've never heard this before. This is far more beautiful than vows I'm familiar with in Protestantism. Thank you and bless you.
Beautiful, thank you.marriage has become honourable in my eyes again.the contract idea just killed marriage in my understanding .
@Saad Bin Masud maybe to you it is,but Jesus Christ actually made a marriage covenant written in his own blood because of love .I suggest you remain
@Saad Bin Masud sorry an editing error.my apologies
@Saad Bin Masud I made a typing error I was supposed to edit sorry ...😳but ... I do suggest you have faith in Jesus my friend, Messiah died for our sins according to the Scriptures was buried and rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures 1Cori thians 15--34
Unlike in other Faiths where the bride and groom essentially marry each other by offering vows and the Church functioning as a witness to that act, in the Orthodox Faith, the Church, itself, is the agent that marries the couple by sealing the union between them through its sacramental action----the couple having previously expressed its desire to be married.
Marriage has an eternal aspect to it, which can be seen from St John Chrysostom's Letter to a Young Widow and other writings by him
This was absolutely beautiful! Thank you for the explanation.
Based priest
I married orthodox and we promised each other till death do us apart. Marriage is not a contract, but a covenant. A contract can be broken, a covenant cannot.
Absolutely deep Father... wow.
Thank you, this is very good. Where if there's love, there's natural desire to please one another. Where each other will sacrifice for the good of the other. Only thing, many times one doesn't understand the needs of another, worse, a lack of communication where often we do not ask and the other doesn't tell. Then so many times a woman expects a man to read her mind or just know, which causes issues. Yet, that's why we have a mouth and a pair of ears. Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus is a very good starting point. I forgot most, but when relationship counselors use it, it shows validity, as well as when used for a singles group, where everyone sits around and talks about each topic of man's needs and wants vs. woman's. Which conversation is very important.
Yet reaffirms what's the padre has just said, where we do not do things from obligation, but because we want too from the heart.
Finally the first Orthodox priest who can preach. All other Orthodox sermons I've ever heard are so very ho hum.
This is not quite true. Marriage contracts were normative across Orthodox lands (for ex Byzantium). The full teaching would be that marriage is not ONLY a contract.
Unfortunately, the contractual element has been effectively lost in American Orthodoxy.
Heck, we even have a betrothal service ; certainly that has a legal historical meaning?
Thank you Father, Jesus bless you.
Great video and commentary
Marriage in Orthodox countries typically DID include a contract as well. (ex. sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/byz-marr726.html). This is a very good exposition though of how Orthodox marriage is MORE than a contract.
Jaacob Ok... I myself am learning about Orthodoxy so I have lots of questions on lots of subjects, etc... So, am curious to know, was the contractual aspect you're referring to a part of the ceremony, or tagged on the back end as a requirement of the state...?
Sorry for the late response - I’m actually not sure about that. However, the presence of the betrothal service would indicate to me some legal quality even within the service
I’d take lightly anything from fordham university. None of us trust them
God bless you too
Doesn’t St. Paul tell wives to obey their husbands?
Yes, and to husbands to love their wives.
Yes and husbands to obey Christ
This is mentioned in the epistle read at the wedding ceremony
@@GabrielaLtc , See the warning to husbands in I Peter 3:7
I Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them (the wives) according to knowledge, giving honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being herirs together of the grave of life; that your prayers be not hindered. Have you ever heard priests or clergy warn husbands about this? There are requirements for both! Everyone loves to drill the women on obedience. If the husband loves the wife, he does not require obedience as a tyranant!
why dont orthodox priests in america have beards?here in australia greek orthodox priests have beards.
...to compensate for the bald spot...
American culture is most likely the key to that answer
Some Orthodox Priests have beards, some even have full beards.
yeah, and some just partial beards... depending on how they fertilize
Hairstyles are personal preference.
Totally disagree with this. This is what happens when you fall out of communion with the Holy See. I find the Orthodox teaching on divorce and remarriage very troublesome; three strikes and you're out! Not sure how that squares with Jesus' teaching on divorce and remarriage?
It's the heart of stone part of it, and Deuteronomy 24. Barring divorce is something quite modern within the Catholic Church. The Orthodox Church doesn't grant the Sacrament of Marriage lightly, so divorces are quite rare anyways. As for the numbers, it's just the canons, and the Bishops and the Holy Spirit seemed it wise that way, rather than declaring it dogma.
@@emilianoestevarena5071 If I'm going from personal experience, there seems to be a very relaxed culture of an acceptance of divorce among my Orthodox friends - I know plenty who have divorced and re-married, so I don't believe it's as uncommon as you might like to believe - at least that has been my experience anyways
@@ela7893 I haven't seen that where I go, but Church communities are way too diverse and with the current state of fallenness worldwide it doesn't surprise me that such a relaxation should happen.
@@emilianoestevarena5071 what do you mean by "heart of stone" part of it? And how would you justify the "three strikes" rule that the Orthodox teaches regarding divorce and remarriage?
@@ela7893 The heart of stone thing is in the Gospel, though it may vary according to the translation. Jesus tells the Pharisees that Moses granted them divorce due to their unrepentant nature (i.e. heart of stone), but that the ideal is that they should be united like Adam and Eve. As for the strike issue, or the specific grounds for divorce, I'm simply not qualified to answer why that amount of opportunities. Maybe a Bishop is more qualified than me to evacuate that doubt to you. All I can tell you is that a Christian may easily fall into the spirit of a Pharisee and, in that light, you may see why divorce happens. I've seen these hearts of stones in their full extent and it's quite demonic.