The 2nd Great War - What is to Come? - Elder Scrolls Lore Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we theorise about the second great war.
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series and was released worldwide on November 11, 2011. The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim.
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Why do the Thalmor think the Altmer are the greatest?
Because they have High Elf esteem.
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I showed this comment to my wife, and she said "give that guy a medal" 🤣
I hope ES6’s main story is about the 2nd Great War.
@Wirr Ling the poetic edda would disagree
@@cassi5420 Not at all lol. You realize Skyrim is one of the best selling games of all time? Everyone whos going to play ES6 will have at least heard of Skyrim. Besides, a “Great War” is a pretty big pull-factor, even if they’re “new players”.
I would be more worried at how "great" the war would be. Skyrim's "great" rebellion amounted to like 3 fights with about 20 npcs and a few dungeons with spooky skeletons. If they go with it I hope they make the combat and strife a little more grandiose.
@@cassi5420 Skyrim was also released 10 years ago when RPGs weren't mainstream. that's not the case anymore. they can do whatever they want and they'll still get millions of players
@@haloninjax542 with ms backing them, they don't have the excuse of lack resources. Plus skyrim was made aa decade ago (will be even older come es6) for the ps3, es6 will be for the ps5 so there really is no reason why (at least scale wise) it can't be epic... I hope.
I have this weird feeling that if you're Shezzarine in ES6, we can see something like the High Justiciar (or whoever the leader of the Thalmor is) trying to mantle Auri-El by capturing the Shezzarine and trying to recreate the Convention at Ada-Mantia or something, resulting in the fall of the Tower. That's if there's any credence to the tower theory in the first place
Isn't every player character a Shezzarine?
Just imagine this. For a brief few moments the tower is actually deactivated and creation becomes unstable. The Kalpers begin to fold on top of one another and when you look out from the top of the tower back at the shore you can just about make out pre-war New York fazing in and out of existence.
@@zixx844 BWAHHAHAHAAAAAA!
Yo this is fucking LIT
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No. In Morowind you're the Nerevarine, the reincarnation of Nerevar. In Oblivion you mantle Sheogorath, and I feel like that wouldn't make sense if you were already a reincarnated god.
Skyrim is the only game where there's a genuine case to be made for you being Shezzarine, because Shor's throne is empty when you arrive, and you can sit in it.
In all the past games, you are not allowed to sit on a God's throne; it physically won't allow it. But in Oblivion you can finally sit on Sheo's throne once you become He. Implying the Last Dragonborn was already Shor all along.
As a long-standing Imperial Boi, I am a bit nervous as the outcome of the 2nd great war. Tamriel under the thalmor would be a pretty grim place. I dig the cosmopolitan vibes they hate so much
Don’t worry the last war was a hollow victory you see the high elves barely won that why they used a treaty.
I think that the Empire would win. The Imperials, as humans with greater fertility than high elves, would be able to replace their losses faster than the Dominion, and since the Empire is larger than the Dominion, they have more resources to rebuild their military as well. In addition, it seems that the Empire might have refitted it’s military to be better suited to fighting magic-using elves. From old helmets and evidence that Great War Legionaries were trained in the heavy armor skill, it seems that the Great War Legions were heavy infantry trained to use heavy armor and engage in melee combat. However, the new legion is equipped with light armor for better mobility (which given that armor is useless again magic is better than more physically protective heavy armor) and their best, most expensive weapon isn’t a melee weapon, but their bows (which against magic, a good bow is the best equalizer a soldier could be equipped with to take down the magic user before they can get into spell range). Just looking at the situation, it seems that the Imperials have used the time granted to them by signing the W-GC wisely.
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 don’t forget that the dominion fought the redguards for an extra 5 years, further diminishing there numbers and given the empire a head start in recovering.
@@fieldrook1613 Good point and I agree. Honestly, we have no evidence that the Dominion has recovered that much at all. As far as we know, all that Thalmor bluster could be them trying to bluff their way through having an empty hand of cards. For instance, despite the Dominion being thought to have the best navy, the only real warship you see in the game is the Emperor’s ship the Katariah - an Imperial ship. The only known Dominion ship we ever see is Ancarion’s ship in Solstheim, which looks like it could have been a Nord vessel that the Thalmor bought or stole from a Nord fisherman- maybe it was because they were on a stealth mission, though if that were the case, why is Ancarion not wearing something less “Thalmorish” (he might as well just shout “We’re the Thalmor” at the top of his lungs). While the Dominion could have recovered and have a strong navy and army again, we have absolutely no evidence of that, and it seems equally probable that their army is still weak from being annihilated at the battle of the Imperial City and most of their navy is still at the bottom of Lake Rumare. Who knows?
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 That seems like a bit of a stretch. We wouldn't see any evidence of the Dominion's recovery because their presence in Skyrim is superficial at best. They operate a small and scattered force of inquisitors, but there is no Dominion army or navy anywhere near Skyrim. Of course there isn't, it isn't their territory nor does is border their territory. It would be a woeful overextension to commit to Skyrim in any meaningful way militarily.
"For instance, despite the Dominion being thought to have the best navy, the only real warship you see in the game is the Emperor’s ship the Katariah" I mean, we don't really see ships at all to be fair. We see a few flat pieces of wood with a mast that are somehow labelled as ships, and the Red Wave. But, remember, cities like Dawnstar are supposedly 'thriving port towns'. The answer to this riddle is game limitations. Bethesda didn't want to and/or couldn't add moving ships to the sea. Also, why would we see Dominion navy, even if it was within the engine's scope? Why would they sail a warfleet to the Sea of Ghosts? They're probably maintaining some sort of naval hegemony in the southern seas, preparing to institute a renewed blockade at the outbreak of war. They can't just send huge divisions on wintry vacations to a sea so inhospitable some of it is literally frozen shut.
"The only known Dominion ship we ever see is Ancarion’s ship in Solstheim, which looks like it could have been a Nord vessel that the Thalmor bought or stole from a Nord fisherman" This is just Bethesda being lazy. Why would they create a whole new boat model for an obscure side quest in a DLC? It's not practical when you're on both a timing and fiscal budget.
Hope this didn't come off as combative, I just don't think it's fair to assert that the Dominion is toothless just because we don't see evidence of their might in Skyrim.
Ah, so Aldmeris doesn't refer to an actual landmass, but rather the ancient unity of purpose and culture that once made all elves a singular people. In other words, Aldmeris was the original 'story' of the elves, before each faction split from the whole to tell new stories and become different.
Canonically it is, because not all of MKs writings after he left are strictly canon but a commonly accepted belief is that Aldmeris is just a memory of elven unity
@@idipped2521 Kirkbride is a
at best as canon as in-game books, at worst not canon at all. Honestly, most of his stuff is just sex jokes.
@@Nuniixo Yes, I don't take the kinmune story as being canon. I think it's just more of a myth
Considering that culture on Summerset Isles, and more so under Thalmor rule tend to eject anyone that doesn't fit their narrow mold for acceptable keeping the elves together will not he easy.
Great videos man. I find this subject in particular very interesting because going through Skyrim I felt regardless which faction you choose the Thalmor are really the only true threat to Skyrim and to humans. Really I think the two factions need to reconcile their differences and unite to fight the Thalmor. With that I have an interesting topic/idea for a future video: What if the Stormcloaks win the war, but the Dragonborn is on their side? I think all the quests in Skyrim canonically reach a conclusion, however I find it doubtful THE Dragonborn completed EVERY quest. So either there were multiple Dragonborn during that time, or the Dragonborn completed some of the quests while other quests were completed by non-dovahkin in the world. That said Titus Mede does die. The empire is leaderless at the end of Skyrim, and as is pointed out traditionally the empire was led by dragon-blood emperors. So if the Dovahkin is the next emperor that gives the empire a bit of an advantage going into the next war. Now if the dovahkin were a stormcloak it would make for an interesting situation. Do the Stormcloaks REALLY want to leave the Empire? or do they simply want the freedom to rule their own country? contrary to belief these do not necessarily mean the same thing. With a stormcloak on the throne I think the Dovahkin could bring Skyrim back into the fold and unite the Imperials and Stormcloaks by granting Skyrim autonomy to conduct it's own affairs while still remaining a part of the empire. Add the fact the Dovahkin could have learned the Bend Will shout and made allies with at least a few Dunmer houses on Solstheim and Empire has a much better chance than it stands at the beginning of the game IN ES:V
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Lorkhan fought Auriel and Trinimac in the first Elnofey war, i hope that we get to see Talos fight Akatosh or Auriel in this one.
Because Talos filled the void left by Lorkhan and is his successor.
Talos & Shor vs everryboday
@@infra_r3d133Talos + Kyne + all men vs Elven gods + all elves
The events of The Great War could be an exciting TV show.
Ah yes,the perfect bedtime story!
Of course as with all of your videos it was truly a pleasure to watch, incredibly entertaining and thought provoking. The in-depth explanation of the original great war outbreaking in cyrodil was very dark, and for some reason how it is addressed in the games made it sound much less graphic, an unfortunate missing of the mark. It makes me wonder if the elder scrolls could benefit from going darker with their stories, and making it less of a series to target all audiences, and rather target simply adults with an M rating. But I digress, I just wanted to say this is an increasingly exciting time, as I feel your analysis will likely become correct, as it would be following in line with all the world building they did in skyrim, as well as why it has taken so damn long to come out. The resources being pooled into ESO are extremely limited and the DLC packs I'm quite sure are just sending money towards making the elder scrolls 6, as all content in ESO now is completely shoddy, and all rebranded DLC from all the previous elder scrolls single player titles, which is very disappointing as they have talent to create new but they choose to continue repurposing the old. If #6 was not initially going to include the second great war, I fear you may have just wrote the story for them to utilize, because this is the sort of scene to set the next massive attack by a daedric prince, especially when the entire world would be on the brink of war. I look forward with great anticipating to the upcoming release, of course after skyrim releases a few more times first. Always a pleasure, take care!
Drew's intro is so immersive.
I’m hoping for the unity of high rock, hammer fell, Skyrim, and the empire to overthrow the dominion once and for all. Obviously stopping the world eater was the priority of Skyrim but the rest was all a set up for the unity of Skyrim and the empire.
I only love your long form videos!
In TES V Skyrim, there was a point where the Empire, Stormcloaks, and even the Thalmor, were in a truce due to the existential threat of the returned Dragons and the World-Eater Alduin.
Now, TES VI may well begin as a continuation of war with the Thalmor; but great existential threats seem to be a recurring theme in TES.
So, any bets on uniting with the Thalmor against a common existential threat - or a great Thalmor sacrifice in a vain attempt to save Tamriel...and then an attempt by the realms of Tamriel to unite in order to - shock horror - save the Thalmor from extinction?
Well, it's a redemption story arc surely.
So, what's the existential threat?
A cop-out would be the Dwemer I suppose - and then you'd need a plucky rebellion out of left field - that would be the Dwemer's prime victims - the Snow Elves/Falmer (if there are any left...even just The One)
You're just going to hate being made to empathise with, and play on the side of the pointy-eared sons of fun - but that flip has been done in other games before.
Perhaps for once, Factions could also have an actual role to play instead of being incidental all the time;
Whether secondary protagonists in the Thieves tasked with stealing the Maguffin, to pass to the Mage who would fettle it with the power they wrested from the grasp of the whomajig in the interrim - who then pass it to *insert faction,* to deliver it protected by the Assassins (err I'm running out of road here ) all working collectively to get the 'Thang' into the hands of the 'Hero'...
You get the picture - integrate the Factions peripheral questlines into a final denoument which feeds the main story arc.
You're just going to have to play all the Faction arcs to progress the Main Story, and if that means multi-character builds (one for each Faction) and jumping between them and your primary protagonist ("Meanwhile, back at the Ranch...") well it beats playing a Stealth Archer the entire playthough... again.
Such things have been done in games before, and done well.
It's just a thought.
I would have liked the orb of verminia to be mentioned. Considering that’s how the aldmeri dominion outmaneuvered the empire
Hammerfell will be victorious against the Aldemiri Dominion!
Two things are worth pointing out about the WWI comparison. Firstly, the Allies were also exhausted by the war. Russia ended up in Civil War, France lost 10% of its fighting men, Britain began having a currency crisis and the reordering of the European financial system towards America would ruin all Europe by 1931, when the Great Depression really hit Europe. Germany suffered after WWI, but so did everyone. The first country in Europe to fall to fascism was Italy, a victor of WWI.
Secondly, the world didn’t stop fighting in 1918 or 1919. Ireland, India, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Hungary, the former Russian Empire, China and bits of Germany would all be subject to civil war and political violence. WWI directly caused wars and violence through upsetting the established regimes and orders across Europe. It’s unlikely the Aldmeri were unscathed by the Great War, and probably suffered to a great degree like the Empire. After WWI, political forces such as fascism and communism emerged in Europe, and provided different paths forward for the world, offering illiberal and terrifying versions of progress. The Empire and Aldmeri’s war could have opened up a gap for alternative powers to emerge, and a Second Great War could do so. An alliance of beastfolk, of Nords, Redguards and Bretons or of other peoples could replace both the Empire and Aldmeri Dominion.
What is often forgotten is that an independent Skyrim may be able to better resist the Aldmeri Dominion than a discredited Empire. If Skyrim were attacked by the Aldmeri Dominion, it could draw upon Nord nationalism to build morale and motivate resistance. Even if the Aldmeri Dominion conquered Skyrim, a nation that goes down fighting is more likely to continue fighting a guerrilla war afterwards, with the Nords tying down huge numbers of Aldmeri troops. Just as the Redguards managed to liberate Hammerfell without the Empire, the Nords could resist the Aldmeri Dominion with fewer resources and greater morale. Similarly, the Nords could find ways to mobilise their limited resources better than the Empire.
Pelinal: *time to get back to work*
I feel like Elderscrolls 6 will be set in Hamerfell with the Aldemeri dominion having conquered the majority of Tamriel and attempting to invade Hamerfell to gain access to the only tower they don't have control of.
hmm, I have a feeling the northern province of Skyrim would be just recovering from the civil war when the Dominion launches their next campaign, though I have a feeling the falmer(however unlikely) en masse would play a part in delaying nords to the point that province may just be lost altogether.
Wouldn't it be entirely possible for Talos to appear in the mortal realm once more? Going by FudgeMuppet's info, the Aedra are sort of comatose, and don't have a direct effect on Mundas like the Daedra, but Talos ISN'T Aedra, so he could present himself if the need was great enough. That COULD be a cool visual/reveal in ES6.
Something I have wondered a long time. What happens to the Aedra during these 'Great Wars' and other massive Elf vs Man conflicts? Is it like ancient Greek/Roman mythos where the Gods get split with their duo personalities which leaves many of them as little more than very powerful deranged lunatics? Or does nothing happen? Personally i'd prefer the former, that many people worshipping both aspects of each Divine at the same time should cause massive personality splits. It must be even worse when considering even 'Brothers in species' have different Gods to an extent. Kynareath and Kyne (Imperial/Nordic) springs to mind.
As to whether the Thalmor would offer a lift of the Talos ban to Ulrich, sure they would. As beings who live for hundreds of years and have an unbroken culture dating back thousands of years, I don’t think that they invest emotionally in things as much as more ephemeral races would think. I think that they banned Talia worship not because they hate and resent Talos, but because others would find it easy to believe that that was their motivation rather than the truth that they knew it would alienate Skyrim. If they then offer Skyrim an alliance offering its lifting they concretize the optic of them bring the heroes and the Empire as both cowardly and faithless in the eyes of the Nords.
Having the elves win over the humans would really subvert our expectations. I hope bethesda will have the courage to make something like this
If they have them win before es6 we could continue the tradition of starting as a prisoner
It's not in line with usual tropes, but it actually wouldn't be shocking if you look at the facts. No matter who wins the civil war, humanity as a whole is severely weakened, the empire is dying, and most humans reject magic instead of better understanding it. Short of more divine intervention and Heroes, humanity is fucked.
Assuming the Elder Scrolls 6 is in Hammerfell and High Rock. Assuming there's something to do with the Thalmor and the 2nd Great War. Big X factor: the newly rebuilt Orsinium. Could we see the 4th Era equivalent of the Daggerfall Covenant band together to stop the Thalmor once and for all?
You know. I play mostly kajiit and elves. But Pelinal Whitestrake had a fuckin point
I’m really curious the process you guys do for these especially the scripts do you write the whole thing out by hand or? A 35 minute talk is quite a long time and that beginning script I don’t recall from any in game text
Maybe they get information from in game materials but write their own script and descriptions from it? Hence why some of the lines sound directly out of the games but aren't
Bruh how funny would it be if theoretically the Thalmor did manage to conquer all of Tamriel, get to the towers and destroy them and/or deactivate the stones, just to end up fading out of existence like the Dwemer LMAO. I’d be mad af if I were them. ☠️☠️☠️
If Ulfric pulls out a W, it would be pretty cool to see an attempted alliance with either Hammerfell or House Redoran and another 3 banners war. I'll be kind of disappointed if the Empire just winds up prevailing and carrying on as they have been, especially after the Thalmor playing their hand so well.
Will be interesting to see the role the LDB plays politically in the lore. Hopefully they don't just screw off to Akavir with the Nerevarine.
I feel like it's important to remember Ulfric was brutally tortured by the Thalmor and made to believe he had caused the fall of the White Gold Tower. I feel like they're smart enough to know his end game is to come after them, and for that reason they would almost certainly not offer terms and allow him to control Skyrim.
They're trying to mitigate or eliminate the threat of the nords and redguards so they can focus on the WGT and Adamantine tower - after the Red Ring it's clear they are the heavy hitters of the Imperial forces. If Hammerfell and Skyrim are anything less than supportive of the empire, High Rock will be fully isolated.
Yeah, skyrim alone is like two thirds of the empires military might. The other third being mostly hammerfell.
Honestly the Khajiit could easily revolt against the Dominion. They beat the Bosmer on their own once before, hell the Dagi beat the Bosmer on their own turf, imagine being called wood elves and losing a woodland war. All the empire would have to do is offer Elsweyr Leyawiin and bam, they'd easily swap sides. Especially when the Khajiit realize the Thalmor have played them time and time again.
First the Empire would have to convince the Khajiit that it was the Thalmor's fault for the Void Nights, right now the Khajiit think the Thalmor are their saviors.
Yeah I think I'd be really cool is to have a overall treating story and the elder scrolls 6 is if the second grade war starts like at the beginning of elder scrolls 6 that would be dope as f***
Ironically the Thalmor and the Empire have a similar dynamic as China and the USA respectively
You have done your homework in thr photo you portraid the altmer warriors with spears not swords swords are backup especially without shields, spear are main battlefield weapons in the middle ages
Words from the North tell of rumours...The Dragonborn's Dovahriders of Skyrim will Come
In my opinion whoever the Dragonborn sides is pretty much set to win or atleast last longer then the rest. Another war breaks out and all that is needed is the Dragonborn to do as he pleases. The mortal that defeated Alduin and controller of dragons at his command can easily wipe out whoever is his enemise. Also being dragonborn doesnt that give him a claim to the imperial throne?
The character has no ideology it defeats the purpose of an rpg, more than likely the dragonborn will be a servant of hermeus mora and will never be seen again
We should have an Altmer division of the Empire who was against the Thalmor since the great war.
For once, I wanna see good hearted Mer... I'm sick of the "mer bad, human good" fantasy trope
There are multiple examples of elven refugees, so that would be dope.
But you often encounter good hearted Mer in playing Skyrim
The problem is that "trope" in ES is sometimes deserving, like the example of the Dunmer of Morrowind who routinely enslaved the Argonians
Funny enough the reason why the Argonians are kept outside in the dockyard in Windhelm is because of animosity the Argonians have towards the Dunmer residents regarding that very fact of the enslavement
Fasendil I think is the best you’ll get. Since he witnessed the Thalmor slaughtering refugees in Hammerfell I think the devs are trying to say there are very few "even" minded elves left.
Talk to people when playing Skyrim. Most of the elves tend to be nice people.
@@michaelpettersson4919 yeah it's typically only the Altmer who are very forthcoming with their disdain for anyone else
I never thought I would say this but I'm actually looking forward to a second world war
I hope the next game takes place during it
It wouldn't be a World War it would be a continent wide conflict not the entire world
It wouldn’t be a world war. Just one nation against all the other nations
@@Knight-PaladinEleanor you should probably reread that statement
@@Knight-PaladinEleanor Tamriel is basically like Pangea, the other islands/continents are pretty much baren wastelands, so technically it would be a world war
Every aspect of the ultimatum and the White Gold Concordat was designed for the future. The treaty was specifically designed to weaken the empire for an eventual future conquest.
Yup that’s true.
Ceding of Hammerfell would provide a staging area for the invasion.
Disbanding the Blades rids the empire of her elite warriors.
Banning of Talos worship was a twofer, on the one hand you separate the people from the principles of the founder they are less likely to support the nation in the second war. A brilliant strategy. On the other, they knew that Skyrim would fracture as that was the center of Talos worship. They then orchestrated the Stormcloak rebellion. This would cut down the Nords’ numbers and prevent them fighting for the Empire. Also, the economic recovery in Skyrim would take decades, making for an easy invasion, even with the Dragonborn aiding the victorious side.
@Char Aznable I have one question
Is there any sort of indication that the provinces of Valenwood and Elyswer have active resistance against the dominion?
That part about elven superiority over the lower races would sit too well with other beast races as well not just men
And one more thing would men always have the advantage of numbers over elves?
@Char Aznable well... comparing to the politics of our world. What could be a better thing to make someone join you than being threatened by someone else?
Usa finances both governments and rebels to keep both in check in 3rd world countries
@@elderliddle2733 Yea, but the Dragonborn kinda fucked that plan apart several times over. The Thalmor are fucked now. The civil war in Skyrim was suppose to last several years with no clear victor as the Thalmors desired goal, but instead the Dragonborn ended it in about 4 seconds and kept Skyrim in the empire and kept the empire strong. The Dragonborn also slaughtered hundreds upon hundreds of Thalmor agents in Skyrim. And then finally, the Dragonborn saved all of Nirn from Alduin the world eater and destroyer (Akatosh/Auri-El's first born), which essentially made him viewed as Shor/Talos 2.0 by all of the Nords and many of the other races of Tamriel as well, which would've just furthered the support for Talos worship by men. Shor and Akatosh sent the Dragonborn down for a reason. Primarily to defeat Alduin and save Nirn, but secondarily to annihilate the Thalmor and restore the empire of men. The Thalmor will be fucked going forward, and the protagonist of Elder Scrolls 6 (most likely a legendary Red Guard Sword Singer Shezzarine we all can assume) will finish the job that the Dragonborn started.
@@GutstheBlackSwordsmen Well, its pretty well known that the Thalmor were actually the ones behind the 2 moons crisis all along, and simply pretended to be the saviors and fixers of that situation in order to win the Khajiit to their side. You can safely assume that when it is eventually brought to the kingdom of Elswyr and all of the Khajiit of Tamriel's attention that the Thalmor were actually responsible for the moons disappearances and the perpetrators of the deaths of all those millions of Khajiit children, the Khajiit are probably going to respond incredibly violently and kill many high elves and Thalmor and no longer be affiliated with the Aldmeri Dominion haha.
I really want the Dominion to be the main villains of TES 6 so I can crush them properly and utterly
I agree, my feirce brother!
Totally. I slaughter every Altmer I see.
@Xavier The Great first if all its Elves and secondly your race shall die with your barbarian practices
Please. I wanted to kill them in 5 instead of f’ing around in Solstheim.
@@JuhiSRK Not all altmer are with the dominion, you know.
Second Great War: *rages*
Psjic Order: **grabs popcorn** **sniffs skooma**
*yoinks another isle
Most likely avaya or falenesty.
Shalidor and the bosmer “stop stealing our islands”
Argonians, Time to lurk
I don't trust that they wouldn't help the thalmor
Why would they sniff a liquid? Dont you mean moon sugar? Lol
I know Oblivion and Skyrim had some very existential threats(the invasion from hell and the end of times), but I think it would be nice if the Main Storyline for TES 6 was about the next great war between the races of man and mer. Sort of like taking the Civil War questline from Skyrim and cranking it up a few notches. Your race could change which side's jail you start in but as you progress you can choose either side regardless.
Probably be too much like ESO if it is just all out war for the continent
I agree that the main plot of Elder Scrolls VI shouldn't be another world-ending threat and should instead focus on the second war between the Empire and Thalmor.
@@tristanskywalker1998 It could be both.
Thalmor plot for Ada Mantia may work.
As long as I can smack bitches with my trusty fuck you Warhammer I’m happy
@@torinjones3221yeah but a ton of elder scrolls fans don’t play ESO so that’s not a good reason
You guys are outstanding narrators. Should consider doing audio books (and your writing is amazing aswell )
Drew's voice is a blessing.
Yeah Drew has a nice voice he should go for audiobooks
@@mcgoldenblade4765 drew is good for relaxing and Scotty is good for talking about something your passionate about cause you can always hear passion in his voice
"WHAT'S going on, ladies and gentlemen, MY name is Michael and this is Jane Austen's 'Pride and Prejudice'!"
i fall asleep on these vids lol
This really makes me chim.
Vivec? I thought I killed you...
So.. You planing a return to be part of this war, or?
Why did you kill Nerevar
@@waluigi3515 vivec in smash confirmed
@@idipped2521 I swear to Fumihide Aoki-
And somehow this won't be the focus of TES VI. Just wait. You'll probably be reforming the Ansei to take down something that isn't the Dominion, and all we'll get is mentions of the 2nd war burning up in Cyrodill
Just imagine the Dragonborn partaking in this 2nd Great War: calling mighty dragons upon the battlefield to tear and burn the enemy lines asunder, shouting down entire regiments with the Thu'um, and using all his followers, magic and deadly weapons to cut a path through the Dominion legions ( or the Empires, depending on your character), only to die from an arrow to the goddamn knee
Imagine the Altmer Dragonborn character on the same side of the Empire
@@CoffeeSuccubus yall seducers getting wifi service at the loony isles?
@@Michealxlr Well an altmer certainly won't be supporting nords
Lmao! This is what I personally think happens with my Dragonborn (minus the Arrow to the knee part)
@@str33t3r Not really as Mankar Camoran proves you don't need a direct line from Alessia to get the dragonborn blessing. Plus a lifetime of Nords giving him shit for being a knife-ear until he can shout can make someone bitter. Might just side with the Empire add insult to injury. A knife ear dragonborn siding with the Empire? Humiliating.
6 really needs to have imperial generals and councilmen who aren’t afraid to admit that the thalmor really did puppet the empire for so long like we did with tullias and rikke and balgruf. It was something I sincerely enjoyed to see that even some of the most devout people were genuinely angry at the thalmor for treating something they cared about like trash. It’s honestly something I enjoyed immensely
I honestly think that out of all the Yarld Balgruf is best fit for being the high king, just playing the games and listening to the lord I know he cares most and his hold, the safety of his citizens as well as having a good relationship with the people of Whiterun! From what I've seen is that he's not corruptible, and stands strong to protect them, with no hesitation even if it means he dies. Or the Dragonborns children be in some kind of power
@@babygurleatsshickennuggits4201
The Ebony Blade quest sheds some doubt on that
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck
Wait, what do you mean? 🧐
@@thalmoragent9344
During the "Ebony Blade" quest there are a few quotes that make Balgruuf seem less of a hero.
But I know about him. And about the war. More than he might think. I know that he still worships Talos. That he hates the Thalmor almost as much as the Stormcloaks do. That he worries about being chased from Whiterun. That he... that I'm... that I don't have the same mother as my brother and sister."
Minus that part about hating the Thalmor. Beating up nazi Elves is based.
I want more jyygalag content in tes6
finally caught one of these fresh out of the oven. fuck yeah
Lucky bastard, my charger broke so i was waiting for my phone to charge
@@timyuusis3372 F
It's terrifying that this whole conflict is the Thalmor's fight to lose. They have time on their side and time is a powerful ally.
Their arrogance will lead to the Thalmor's downfall
That isn't entirely true. The races of Men have a much faster reproductive cycle than Elves, and as such can replenish their lands and forces much faster over the same period of time. Possibly this is one reason why the Thalmor are pressing so hard on the internal division angle; in 30 years you end up with a whole new generation of adult Men and likely a new one in the making, but the same can't be said for the Altmer. Each Elven soldier lost means more to them in the long run than each dead Man and they know it.
@Cactus Juice one of the big points is the Civil War and the College of Winterhold. Since the whole power cosmic and world breaking is the Thalmor's M.O.
@@spaceonisorceress4406 Wood elves breed like rabbits tho. Probably one of the reasons the Thalmor wanted Valenwood in the first place. Horny, hungry, cannibalistic archers that can invoke a shape shifting power that turns them into man eating monsters, and they reproduce as fast as humans?
Yeah, by all accounts the Thalmor should win, however the humans have the greatest fantasy power of all time, *PLOT ARMOR*
@@e-cavalier2739 OR ME
My hope for freedom from the elves lies in the floridian swamps of Tamriel, and their viscious, scaly inhabitants: The Argonians of Blackmarsh. They united their tribes in a very short period of time and not only successfully repelled the forces of oblivion, but _successfully began invading the depths of hell,_ during the oblivion crisis, forcing the daedra to close the portal from their side. As soon as the aldmeri dominion sets their eye of conquest on blackmarsh, their fate is sealed within the jaws of lizardmen, and under the roots of the hist trees.
That opening... it's so frikken immersive. I felt like I was there, staring at that cart. I could almost smell it
that is some god damn talent right there
totally with you dude! i was completely drawn in and both surprised and disappointed when this video ended. and Drew was like "if you got this far, thanks so much for watching." and i was like "no dude, thank you!".
@@davidperkins6752 exactly lol, like bruh with these guys narration it's so easy to get immersed into the video. It's hard not to listen through an entire playlist without stopping
He does a good job reading it, but you know he didn’t write the intro right? It’s from an in universe book.
Ate 200mg of THC like an hour before i watched and this guy took me to a different realm
I agree, brother
What is to come? My collection of elf ear necklaces is going to grow.
We taking back what is rightfully ours.
whats ur pfp from
All fun and games, till the trees start speaking Altmerese
I have a feeling the protagonist will probably be a legendary Sword-Singer, and for the first half of the game in ES6, they will be obliterating the Thalmor and unifying Hammerfell and bringing it back into the re-united empire in Great War 2. In the 2nd half of the main story ark, the story will take a sharp twist and turn. Something along the lines of a massive Akaviri invasion will occur all across Tamriel, or possibly even the Dwemer return and now seek to genocide every race on Tamriel, or one of the more evil inclined Daedra Lords who hasn't really been touched upon much yet and not utilized in a main story ark villain capacity yet (Jyggalagg, Boethiah, Vaermina, Mephala, Malacath, Peryite, etc) etc, will do something to threaten all of Nirn, which will bring the Aldmeri Dominion back to reality and give all of the races and provinces of Tamriel a common enemy to unite against. We shall see. I hope it comes out sooner rather than later 😬.
Heil Ulfric
I reckon I will take over Mundus. Or do a biscuit tasting competition.
Mmmm, cheese!
@@Mary_Beth_Reimer NO CHEESE, ONLY BISCUITS AND BOREDOM AND ORDER.
@@23Raind Good question, The biscuits are ranked by how nice they are, how boring they are and how much they are lacking in cheese.
Time to get Jyggy with it.
@@TranscendentLion vibes
24:17 - "What is that soldier second from the left doing?"
"Her best."
This is an interesting theory. Makes me think that Elder Scrolls 6 will be around Hammerfell and High Rock and the Iliac Bay and the Thalmor will again be around but it will be a more villainous role than they were in Skyrim
My guess is that the thalmor is going to invade hammerfell
Me when Drew is the narrator: turn that sh*t up yo!
Facts, man has a super cool Narrator voice
(Pre-watch) If I were the Emperor, the first thing I'd do is try and make amends with Hammerfell, Morrowind, and Black Marsh, then start the second war the same way they started the first: By dumping the severed heads of every Thalmor agent in the Empire onto the doorstep of Alinor.
While also demanding massive parts of valenwood territory.
It would take a lot to amend with Hammerfell since it was the Empire who renounced them as a province. The Empire gave large part of southern Hammerfell to the Aldmeri, which enraged the redguards and initiated their own war. In response, the Empire renounced Hammerfell as a province.
It might be difficult to do that. The Emperor has eyes and ears on him EVERYWHERE in the Imperial City. The Thalmor would instantly know if you're planning any of that and spend time preparing, possibly even assassinate you.
By the Nine, it's been almost 3 years from the TES VI teaser. Oh, Todd, when are you finally gonna satisfy our never-ending lust for lore!
By the nine,I hate the waiting,the god damn waiting!
Might have to wait till 2026 or 2027 (˃̣̣̥⌓˂̣̣̥ )
I'm making the educated guess it'll be at the 30th anniversary. Which is 2024.
I still remember I first watched that trailer at an underground parking lot, and I shouted "no way!"
@@camd4648
Damn, so around a little over 2 years from now? 😓
no matter how the second great war ends up progressing we all know that as soon the player gets into the mix, the thalmor won't stand a chance
That's if TES6 takes place during it lol
Except if the player can side with the Thalmor... Whatever the side the player choses, the other side is basicly screwed up anyway...
@@satanikatze im with the thalmor, im high elven light armor warrior with enchanted weapons and armor
@@borrburison648 I'm happy to find a fellow Thalmor ! We're a rare bunch it seems. I'm also an Altmer (2m25) mostly mage (I have a mod that allow to have enchantement to increase destruction strength so it's now the equal as daggers and bows) and mostly wearing Justiciar robes or Thalmor Peackeeper light armor (Arma Thalmoris mod). I also have Ancano as a follower (Ancano reborn). We have a number of good mods nowadays for Thalmor roleplay thankfully !
“And such, the summer sets...”
The world had drowned
In seas of red
And yet the wheel keeps turning
I was dead,
And you were dead,
And yet the wheel keeps turning
I'll be mighty disappointed if es6 codename isn't
The Great War 2: Nuke Spell Boogaloo
I'll be taking that tag
"Delphine Jend did nothing wrong" maybe?
I love 100ft fireballs as well
Maybe will uncap it to make real nukes
Since so much of the political environment surrounding the first Great War, and seemingly the same thing going for the Second Great War, are influenced by the real events of the First and Second World War, I wonder how much of the real events will they incorporate in the story.
Will the Aldmeri Dominion steamroll through the Empire like Germany did in Europe? Will the Empire fall after the war ends like the old Colonial Empires did in our world? Will there be a nuke to finish the war? This one makes me the most curios right now.
Since the TES version of events is not 1:1 with the real events, maybe the Thalmor will use their nuke first. Where will they use it though? Some big city in Hammerfell or High Rock since the game will most probably take place in that part of Nirn? Or maybe on the Imperial City to finally finish off the Empire? Perhaps on the Adamantine Tower itself. Or maybe the Empire's Alliance (because I believe that Hammerfell and a potentially independent Skyrim will join the Empire in alliance against the elves no mather what) will develop their nuke and drop it somewhere on the Summerset Isles.
These are all wild speculations but speculations like these keep me stoked for how the story will really turn out
Imagine that weapon is what frees you at the start of ES6.
The Thalmor will wish they hadn't weakened everyone when Akavir returns with its army of Tigermen
All praise Tosh Raka !
I will die happy if Akavir plays a major role in TES6’s plot.
What thalmor
To be fair, even before the Great War, the Empire was in no position to protect itself much at all. The Dominion was like, half the size of the Empire, but still kicked its shit in.
The Dominion on the defense is alright, but either way, would require all the races to unite if Akavir attacks.
I feel like the Thalmor's arrogance will eventually be their downfall in the same way it was for the Dwemer
They messed with things they weren't supposed to and their poor treatment of other races earned them a lot of enemies, even from other Mer (elves)
The Dwemer might still be thriving for all we know. We don't know for certain yet.
@@Gfish17 Yeah, but probably they're just soul juice for the Numidium.
I wonder, if the next mainly ES games story focuses on a 2nd great war, could one part of it's story give you the option of weakening the thalmor via making their allies turn on them using their arrogance?
Its highly unlikely dwemer are dead my conclusion its they might even make a return in the tes6 idk tho
@@Marcel-et3rg or they CHIM'd and are somewhere in the Void or Aetherius
OK, but hear me out: the Bretons and Redguards ARE going to team up when the Thalmor invade. We're going to get a limited exploration of High Rock in this at least.
Daggerfall was set predominantly in highrock...
@@aaronbosen6743 Yeah? And Redguard was set in Hammerfell, we're still fairly likely to be set there. I think we shouldn't be too bothered by pre-Morrowind Elder Scrolls settings being reused. We have much better technology now so seeing it would still be like a brand new land.
@@aaronbosen6743 And Arena was set in all of Tamriel, that most mean we won’t be seeing it again, sorry pals.
I think high rock wont help hammerfell, due to there might be kingdoms fighting for their own things for the thalmor or others. So they're too corrupt and divided to really give ny meaningfull aid to hammerfell or even themselves
@@jackakakreanxx5587 They tend to rally together in times of crisis throughout their history. Also all the good content of having to put squabbles to rest for the player is tempting plot/gameplay padding.
I must say I would happily look forward to something like this unfolding in TES6.... makes sense somehow.
I always forget that only the Argonians kicked complete ass during the Oblivion Crisis.
And everyone forgets that after this, the Redoran guard kicked the Argonians' scaly asses.
It does say something about them that it takes a literal demonic invasion (or fighting in a poisonous land where they alone can survive in) for them to win battles on other races. But its says something about the dark elves as a whole being able to kick their asses after fighting off the dremora (and some fights during the invasion)
Well remember though the argonians didn't defeat the daedra, the hist did. The hist summon all the argonians it could back to blackmarsh
Morrowind was recovering 2 back to back apocalypse and when argonian invaded them they kicked by redoran guards .The main reason argonian successfully fend daedra invasion because their tree masters scared of their destruction by them.Since , hist located in central black marsh is complete cesspool no mer and men except only argonian can survive. Only daedra is fully capable entering center black marshes hist called up argonian and gaven powerful sap that argonian superhuman enough reverse invade oblivion in turn forcing Mehrun Dagon close the gates. I'm summary it was all Hist assistant argonian managed fend of the oblivion crisis.
Probably just going to be skipped over so we can exist in a time of relative peace like always.
A great war in game will be mediocre
i think its better if ther just write books like before.
are you saying the oblivion crisis, the skyrim civil war and the literal end of the world are events of 'relative peace'
@@xappy9977 tbh the only game I think can take place at war is ESO because the soldiers are just other players
@@danielshore1457 I mean maybe Elderscrolls 7 or 8 will exist in a time period where we have the more advanced gaming tech needed to run a war using NPCs. At the moment though we can't even do a Civil War well.
“Relative peace”
Oblivion crisis, skyrim civil war, Dagoth Ur doing the moonsugar, etc.
Omg didn’t realize this was new just clicked on a recommendation
One fun idea for ES6 could be set in a future where the Almeri Dominion has won, and you have to be a pivotal part of the resistance breaking their hold on Tameriel before they do something even more monstrous than usual, like destroy the towers if your theory is true
@Samuel Bishop
Yeah, but that's not fair. We can't expect the Empire to win every time, all because of Nostalgic Plot Armor
@@thalmoragent9344 yet the empire sits at its lowest, they could either kill it or give it a legendary redemption arc, im leaning more into the second option i picture a new emperor bringing the empire back stronger than ever
@@gastysica6120
A legendary Redemption Arc? I mean, I'm hoping the story doesn't go down such a cliché route.
I mean, it would be far more interesting and shove some good nuance into the story if we actually has a less predictable outcome. I mean, everyone and their grandma thinks the Empire is going to win, despite the in Lore explanations about how;
The Empire was on its last legs, since most of its Legions were at least half decimated, how they had to tap into reserves.
How Hammerfell is being independent and hell, they may have their own Civil War between Crowns and Forebarers as they often do, and not to mention the historic rivalry between Redguards and Bretons, and since they're not all together under the Empire, Hammerfell can now attack and wage war with them if they so chose without Imperial repercussions within
How Morrowind and Blackmarsh have their own problems and won't be aiding the Empire anytime soon, and Skyrim is in open rebellion via Civil War...
I mean, do you have any idea what it would take to mend all of this? What's the Dominion going through? A few cullings in Valenwood? A situation that can't last forever since they're bound to kill off any main dissenters after some time, Elswyr which is totally fine, Summerset is also stable... I mean, even if we take into account that some within the Dominion don't agree with the Thalmor's actions, many of them still don't like the Empire either, and anti-Empire Propaganda is likely heavy.
So when we factor the Dominion's potential problems to the Empire's... unless Bethesda pulls some BS Plot Armor/Device out from their asses, the Empire being victorious isn't likely. If they miraculously hold out, sure, but outright win? Nah.
@@thalmoragent9344 did you forget about the Septim who went to Akavirr? He or his offspring may come back with a powerful force and revive and rebuild the empire.
@@bronzebow4235 he was killed the only expedition to collonise akivir failed they were all wiped out except a few
How in character would it be if Bethesda chose not to follow any of the story threads set up in Skyrim and did something completely unrelated while also continuing to simplifyi magic, do nothing to improve melee combat, and pull a fallout 4 with the protagonist and settlement system. Am I too pessimistic? I hope so
Not to mention that they're setting the game, most likely, in a location that was already explored in-depth in a prior entry.
@@williamchristy9463
Hammerfell? High Rock? Neither Provinces have been fully explored in depth before, even in Daggerfall. You had the Illiac Bay area, but you didn't explore all of Hammerfell or High Rock...
@@thalmoragent9344 You didn't explore all of them, but you explored decently sizeable portions in great depth. That's still more than could be said for the majority of nations in the Elder Scrolls. We still haven't seen Black Marsh, Elsywr, Summerset, Valenwood, or more than a single city of Morrowind proper in a game made by the 'Bethesda' team.
@@williamchristy9463
True, I suppose Narrative wise, Hammerfell would be the best, but other areas would certainly be amazing to see fully fleshed out
I wouldn't mind going to Summerset myself, perhaps join the Thalmor as a Faction, could prove interesting. Maybe have the Maormer join the Dominion like they did back in the day. I see your point, I've never played Daggerfall and I assumed it was smaller than what you're saying it really was, my apologies
@@thalmoragent9344 The map of Daggerfall is the size of Britain, on a roughly 1-1 scale.
It's not strictly *in detail* in the same way that modern elder scrolls would be, but that's due to a mixture of age, and a different focus on design.
I can agree Hammerfell would be best, but I think Summerset would be better for the series.
Black Marsh will be left alone, should the Dominion look funny at the Hist, invasion to the Summer Set Isles by angry lizards very angry. Boats? Naah fam, they swim.
They literally invaded *Hell*, some pointy ear bois would be nothing
This is like a Kings and Generals episode, but for Elder Scrolls
In my honest opinion, I hope the narrators and this channel continue, and keep on prospering! I love your videos and I'm always amazed at how much you guys can understand the lore of skyrim and then spin it to use in such an awesome way, making it so magical and fascinating! Like another comment said, you guys should start doing audio stuff! ❤
“I’ve heard rumours that Akivari is making preparations to invade us again. They are apparently only waiting for the Empire to collapse in Civil War or some other crisis. We’d certainly need a Hortator then - if we had one, maybe they could travel to Akaviri before the invasion and weaken or stop it."
-Lloros Sarano in Morrowind
Seeing as how the TES 6 is rumored to take place around the Highrock - Hammerfell area, I wouldn’t be surprised if a second Great War would be a part of the game’s major plot.
I’m still holding out for the return of the dwemer as a future game’s plot
boy... the elves are seriously going to wake up to a rude realization when they destroy all the stones and find out there's no place for them.
Well, that depends on the Methods they use. It's not confirmed they just want want destroy the towers or just outright deactivate the stones, they may have something planned to properly undo Mundus
@@thalmoragent9344 right... Just like the dwmer ?
@@Shatterwings060
Well, Kagrenac may also have been a bit rushed to tap the Heart since he knew the war was at a crucial point, and his king had died.
Plus, who's to say the Dwemer didn't achieve what they wanted? We don't know what happened to them for sure, but I'm sure the High Elves will have something set up considering they have multiple Towers they could be meddling with, the Adamantine Tower and the Tower of Green Sap in Valenwood.
Plus, undoing Mundus isn't the same as what the Dwemer wanted, that being to just get themselves outta there. The Altmer have a score to settle with Lorkhan, so just leaving Mundus ain't enough, they gotta dismantle the thing 😅
Yeah watch them deactivate the last tower and nothing happens.
@@Teddy-rv8iw
Well, what if the Thalmor realize that Akavir has its own Towers? And Atmora? Who knows 😳
Drew has the best voice of all 3... I literally have a playlist of his videos to fall asleep to. His voice is so soothing, and he's so knowledgeable of the series.
Drew voice really can calm my anxiety.
blends in with the background music as well, Elder scrolls Universe is lucky to have Drew
Also would be really cool if what sparks the second war is the return of the rumored last septim returning from across the sea.
That would be incredibly interesting, but I doubt it.
that was the plan for Skyrim which was scrapped. it would be cool to go back to that idea again
I have not heard about this rumor before, where does it come from?
@@the_corvid97 one of the septim family went across the sea to another continent, I forget it's name, but it's rumoured that he may have survived there. It comes from one of the books, I also forget it's name though, sorry I'm not to helpful here.
@@austinneece7853 Could you be thinking of the Emperor who invaded Akavir? My understanding is that he died, which is recorded in the in-game book "Report:Disaster at Ionith"
plot twist Skyrim, Morrowind, and Black Marsh reform the old Ebonheart Pact and kick the Dominions ass.
I’m so glad you uploaded this video because literally just yesterday I started thinking about the next Great War bc it’s been months since I actually had the elder scrolls cross my mind and this topic is extremely interesting
Argonians during the Oblivion Crisis would have been the coolest stuff to see.
It would be cool if there was this secret cave in ES6 where there is a dragon that survived the dragon crisis and he gives you a quest or something. Not sure what the quest would be but that would be sick
Odahviing could be a hard to find character hiding in a cave in the Dragontail mountains and he should tell you the fate of the Dragonborn
Could be a good excuse to learn a dragon shout.
@@AxisChurchDevoteeDoesn't learning one shout take like 30 years to normal people
@@JoacoG11 Yes but since there's probably gonna be a time skip and there could be som friendly dragon come up with a shout that makes teaching mortals shouts easier. Or that thing from ESO as I heard there was some item that gave you dragon shouts.
The scenery and architecture that Bethesda has created for Tamriel has definitely given me inspiration for building a home if I ever win the lottery. The stone work of the buildings is magnificent. Particularly the flow of water through some of the holds and castles.
I think Elder Scrolls 6: Redfall will take place in Hammerfell 20 years after the events of Skyrim because by then there's a new generation and enough time for the Dragonborn to have mysteriously disappeared in Solstehim (or Apocrypha in actuality). The fate of Ulfric and Tulius will be left ambiguous but it will be made clear which faction ultimately won. I think the Stormcloaks will win making Skyrim an independent country like Hammerfell and they will ally with each other and the Empire despite being weakened with so much lost territory and resources (no Skyrim or Hammerfell) will have bolstered its forces and possibly regained a former province (Morrowind, Elsyr or Valenwood) and make a comeback somehow but a Redguard hero will be key in defeating the Aldemiri Domonion.
I agree with everything but the alliance. I doubt the Empire is willing to be friends with a traitor who made them waste resources that would have gone towards preparing for the second war and stealing a province that deprived them of war material and soldiers; and Ulfric will be too pigheaded to ally with them. Either they accept his support and pay tribute, or he'll just hold up in Skyrim and let them all die. Likely the game will end with the Dominion winning because the nations of men are separated and weak. An enemy like the Thalmor isn't something you can just introduce and beat the next time you meet them. It's gotta be multiple installments with them winning right up until the climax.
@@Lightscribe225 well I meant Skyrim would ally with Hammerfell, because they're both former Empire provinces who got screwed by the Empire and Thalmor, share a border and both have a grudge against the Thalmor. It's not impossible the Empire would make a truce with Skyrim, but I think it will fight independently from Skyrim/Hammerfell who have their own victories. In-universe it makes sense for Thalmor to be beaten because the conflict/tension has been going on for a long time by ES6 and people in real life would be tired of the same bad guy for three games Bethesda will want to move on to something else entirely 2 games is enough and we will likely get way more Thalmor lore and more up close and personal with them in ES6 like actually fight large scale battles against them.
@@napdragon94 Again nah. The Dominion has three provinces of manpower to throw at Hammerfell which has a "decomissioned" imperial legion still fighting on the borders. Of the two, Hammerfell would be more likely to ally with Cyrodiil as it means the Concordat is nullified and the Imperials are still helping them indirectly.
And the ultimate Thalmor goal is to destroy reality and unmake Mundus. That deserves a trilogy at least. Unless Bethesda is run by nothing but hacks, they wouldn't let the Dominion fall without letting us see them lose control in Valenwood and Elsweyr
You may be on to something
Yea.. No.
Its not going to be The Second Great War that we get in ES6 i think. The map from the community post shows Solitude, Hammerfell, and High Rock. What other event in ES History took place between those three locations? THE WAR OF THE RED DIAMOND. What if we get to side with, against, and experience THE WOLF QUEENS RISE. >:)
It doesn't really fit the structure of an elder scrolls game, but a massive siege defensive of the Imperial City, followed by an amphibious invasion of the Summerset Isles would be incredible.
A marine invasion of Summerset would fail spectacularly since the High Elves have always had the most powerful navy in Tamriel, The only reason Tiber Septim could even attack Alinor is because he had the Numidium as a gift from the Tribunal (because they were cowards).
@@wowomah6194 eh the tribunal kinda had no use for the robot when the heart of lorkhan was trapped at red mountain with Dagoth Ur as it's warden
and I wonder if in another timeline, the empire allies with the sea elves to conquer the summerset isles and what it's rammifications will be. Maybe there will be a cold war of sorts with former allies now bitter enemies
@@jackakakreanxx5587 Yes but surely they had to be wise enough to know that they were sending their, sort of, brethren the High Elves a ticking time bomb. It was essentially like handing your enemy a nuke so that they wouldn't conquer you only for that enemy to use said nuke on another group which shares history and racial ties to you. It was betrayal and if you don't feel comfortable with that word, then surely they were still responsible for the deaths and destruction of High Elven ancient buildings and people. Vivec can get wrecked for doing that, Sotha Sil would never have done that. Seht was always the coolest and most "down to Earth" of the three ironically and also the closest to the High Elves considering he was a member of the Psjics technically.
@@wowomah6194 well at the time it was a nuke with no uranium and since the uranium in this analogy wouldve been lorkhans heart if neither the tribunal nor the empire had access to the heart and the mechanical heart that sotha sil created was completed well after the tribunal were just a big chunk of morrowinds history, if sotha sil with his vast knowledge took So long to create a replacement heart what would make you think that a race of conquering imbeciles compared to the elves would make their own heart of lorkhan well before they would
Unlike last time the empire has rebuilt its strength and is ready for the thalmor who lack the element of surprise.
While I don't think they are as powerful as maybe they were during the first great war it is clear that they know another war is coming so like I think they are on much more even footing with the elves this time (ie the dominion wouldn't be able to take large amounts of territory before the empire even mobilizes)
@@danielshore1457 population also needs to be taken into account. Elves in general have a lower birth rate compared to humans to begin with. Add in the High Elves' alleged eugenics, and you get far fewer soldiers on the battlefield as time goes on. Even their advantage with living much longer won't help, as the elves that have been able to take advantage of it will eventually be killed, leaving the younger, less experienced ones, which will be roughly equal to a human fighter. They most likely haven't even fully recovered their population from the last war to the pre-war levels, let alone have a surplus for a protracted war.
@@willswenson3169 I didn't actually think of that, although if we take the storm cloaks winning as Canon there may be an issue of skyrim leaving the empire is the fact that they not only loseanpower but also the best fighters in the empire.
So perhaps the population isn't as disbalanced as believed
@High King Ulfric Stormcloak - Jarl of Windhelm I thoight elsweyr was a part of the aldmeri dominion? Also just because the aldmeri dominion had to sign the second treaty of stros m'kai doesn't mean they couldn't defeat a hammerfell on their own.
As to my understanding there were imperial troops that fought against the dominion in hammerfell?
@@danielshore1457 He said "Elsweyr Rebellion" implying that Khajiit will try to leave the AD. At the beginning of the Great War the Empire fought in Hammerfell but they pulled out during it. The Redguards kicked out the AD themselves.
Easy answer: the destruction of the Thalmor. The Empire has a dragonborn to lead them again, and they’re done with being a bunch of elven chew toys
And plenty of elves, including altmer are also sick of the Thalmor. The Dominion performing purges in Valenwood may earn them a Wild Hunt in response and if the kaijiit figure out that the Thalmor had nothing to do with the return of the moons they be pretty miffed as well. The Dominion may face rebellions everywhere and with dragons thrown into the mix it be hard for them.
The Great War PT.2 will probably be used to balkanize the setting-that process has already begun. A fractured setting with tons of conflict is more exciting and gives TES writers a lot more to work with.
I agree. We've had a unified Empire since the first game, it would be interesting to see more factions rising to Power, even if they're evil (like the Thalmor)
I really hope that TES 6 won't be the last game in the series. I hope we can get a spin-off set in a different era similar to how New Vegas operated in relation to Fallout 3. Would love to see a game in First Era Blackwater region of Cyrodiil and northern Black Marsh. The Thalmor conflict needs to be resolved in TES 6 though
I think elder scrolls is to popular now to stop at 6, hopefully
Yep it does need to be resolved, by a Thalmor victory -sage nod-
The thalmor weren't always evil, and the dominion wasn't always ruled by the thalmor
I, being a Nord, try very hard to remember that not all high elves are Thalmor. 😇
Absolutely great video. I’ve watched so many FudgeMuppet videos over the years but this has got to be one of the best.
Nothing takes off the stress of a work week quite like this. Hearing those amazing strings, taking in the view, it really sets the vibe of the whole day.
Edit: Not to mention the amazing story telling setting up the scenario, I love FudgeMuppet!
I swear anti storm cloak people misinterpret the whole "Ulfric Thalmor Asset" thing on purpose to have an excuse to hate him
The second Great war will only end when the Imperial banner shall hang proudly on the walls of the thalmor headquarters in Summerset.
It probably already do as a trophy but I get what you are after and agree.
Imperial ships have cannons, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Imperials were researching firearms following the war to the point they have arquebuses (Proto muskets) during the next War. The amount of carnage a war involving firearms and sorcery is unthinkable. It's also faster to train a solider to shoot crossbows or firearms.
This would be interesting but I doubt Bethesda would be that bold unfortunately
An Enchanted Shotgun Of Shock sounds like the coolest thing ever!
Yes I need to see the elves get wrecked by muskets
The only 2 questions are... how many games until the great war starts proper, and how many more games till the elves actually succeed?
hello everyone hope you all doing well
One thing is for certain, The sons and daughters of Tamriel will die for a cause they don't understand. Tamriel will be a Feast for crows.
That was a good book
@@Mary_Beth_Reimer Especially a Certain chapter Four. And the Drowned man.
Dragonborn: Just give me twenty good men. >:)
@@MLPDethDealr32 But, you can only have one Follower at a time. : )