Dragonite vs. Tyranitar - Which pseudo-legendary is FASTER?

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  • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
    @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Answers to your FAQ.
    I ran the numbers for all these with my routing software.
    Hidden Power Psychic isn't as strong against Bruno. It's the difference between two hitting the Machamp (hp psychic) and getting an 80% chance to knock it out in one hit (hp flying).
    Having 15 Attack (Hidden Power Psychic) instead of 12 Attack (Hidden Power Flying) raises Tyranitar's chances of defeating Red's Espeon in one hit from 26% to 37%.
    Defeating Falkner at a lower level is of course possible. However, with my current knowledge, I believe it isn't a wise choice because what does each Pokemon gain from defeating him earlier? Both need to train so they can reach at least lv70 for Red. Battling earlier trainers, obtaining Flash, and then defeat Falkner allows for a snowball to form earlier from which you can reap compounding returns.
    Red's Espeon: Blackglasses+Crunch 31% OHKO, Hard Stone+Rock Slide 26% OHKO. IMO the 5% boost for the one hit is not worth carrying Crunch for a large portion of the playthrough. Tyranitar will need to bypass Espeon with a lucky two hit after being hit by Mud-Slap.
    Setup Curse on Pikachu? I did try this. Thunder does 21%-26% per hit and has a chance to paralyze. So that's not a great start. Also, because of Tyranitar's speed, one use of Curse cuts its speed under that of Blastoise and Venusaur which harms is chances significantly in the rest of the battle. Rip Rock/Dark type :(
    You're correct:
    I should use Bite against Morty with Tyranitar
    I should use Fire Punch against Jasmine more (this is a recurring error I make in my playthroughs, mostly because I think that Ice Punch will be "good enough" and I don't want to waste time learning a new TM and replacing my held item with the Charcoal)

    • @KageNoTenshi
      @KageNoTenshi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Lets put it this way, you saw a two turn solar beam coming and you had detect and you didn’t use it, you deserve whatever poor result you get

    • @priestesslucy
      @priestesslucy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Love how you went through the effort to make this FAQ Scott 💞💞

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, Ice generally sucks. Even given it is a coverage move, only the very versatile and Ice will use for it.

    • @Chronoflation
      @Chronoflation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fire Punch's benefits against Jasmine can also potentially apply to Pryce's Piloswine. It may take it to a 1-hit for some mons and save a few more seconds, making up for the inventory management slightly more than just Jasmine and remove a little bit of the risk for both leaders

    • @MsCravenMoorehead
      @MsCravenMoorehead 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Applause*

  • @Hhhhhhhhjdjjdd
    @Hhhhhhhhjdjjdd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +278

    Wing Attack is what Dragonite would learn as he evolves from Dragonair at lvl 55 and grows wings, so that does kinda make sense haha

    • @priestesslucy
      @priestesslucy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      No reason Gamefreak couldn't have given it to Dragonite at Level 1 and 55 though.
      A lot of Pokemon have something like that going on (although less often in Gens 1 and 2, but it's still there)

    • @somedogsarecops2354
      @somedogsarecops2354 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @Priestess Lucy You aren't supposed to have Dragonite at level 1 so no reason they would of thought to give it.

    • @keni7566
      @keni7566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@somedogsarecops2354 A lot of evolved Pokémon do actually have moves at Lvl. 1 because of the move reminders. So yeah, it wouldn't make sense for them to not give Dragonite Wing Attack at Lvl. 1. And either way, there is Move Reminder in the Stadium 2 game. Sure, for Gen 1 and Gen 2 standards it would be stupid, but it does make sense for them to do so since you need a mon from Gen 2 for Stadium 2.

    • @itsthekid9815
      @itsthekid9815 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@priestesslucy because it isn't hyped about having wings. It had no arms or legs for 54 levels. At level 55 it's like omg I have wings ima use them. At level 1 it's just use to them being wings and hasn't thought of using them for violence. Unlike a pokemon that has been wrapping people for 54 level.

    • @danielgloyd4529
      @danielgloyd4529 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@itsthekid9815 The best head cannon response.

  • @PurpleReposter25372
    @PurpleReposter25372 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Woke up at 1am this morning with a raging ear infection but Scott’s thoughts make the pain go away
    Edit: I appreciate all the replies but my infection is not getting better despite having antibiotics prescribed to me, might have to get something stronger…

    • @denis2381
      @denis2381 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Dr. Thoughts :-)
      I hope you get soon better!

    • @ruthlesace
      @ruthlesace 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They always do

    • @dislexyc
      @dislexyc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope you get better
      I get those often, it gets rough sometimes

    • @LiterallyJustF
      @LiterallyJustF 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Completely agree, his videos helped me a lot with getting through the v. And ear infections are the worst, hope you'll get better asap!

    • @tayvongriffiths8546
      @tayvongriffiths8546 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ayooo

  • @Silenceisdeafing
    @Silenceisdeafing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    i really love how you breakdown the stats and raising the pokemon to peak perfection. (exactly how i figured out how to get my pokemon to be even more effective in my future play throughs.) Thanks Scott for always giving us the nerdy stats! your number one poke-fan nathan !

  • @theiceman7590
    @theiceman7590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I feel like Salamence vs Metagross in Emerald would be a perfect successor to this video

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I agree

    • @andyvanmuilekom7390
      @andyvanmuilekom7390 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Some cool new moves for ttar and dragonite as well might as well do all 4

    • @michaelchavez7108
      @michaelchavez7108 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I doubt it would be close metagross crushes the game

    • @thetoxicdoc9617
      @thetoxicdoc9617 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This comment aged so well 🥹🫶🏼

    • @theiceman7590
      @theiceman7590 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thetoxicdoc9617 thanks for reminding me of this channel and series lol. I actually totally forgot about it.

  • @matttypes2695
    @matttypes2695 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Lance: Check out my 3 inappropriately leveled Dragonites
    Scott: I too have an inappropriately leveled Dragonite
    Lance: Surprised Pikachu face

  • @AJUniverse
    @AJUniverse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Dragonite learns Wing Attack so late because, if it were leveling up normally from Dratini, it wouldn't've had wings yet.

    • @TheRilluma
      @TheRilluma 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol

  • @seraph481516
    @seraph481516 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I've always enjoyed how you use the natural transitions in the game for your edits. Seeing you point that out made my day! Thanks for all the great content, keep it up!

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Glad you're enjoying the transitions! We're still working to make them battle :)

  • @desiccant
    @desiccant 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The VS videos are my favorites, appreciate you doing them even though you said they were more work.

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Much more work, but we've become really good at editing videos now, so one of these isn't unbelievably exhausting anymore!

    • @Nathan_Moor
      @Nathan_Moor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Thank you for all your efforts

  • @exeledusprince9165
    @exeledusprince9165 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Man you really are getting these runs optimized... From Falkner, down the route south of violet city, through union cave, and completing the slowpoke well scenario, beating every trainer on the way and reaching a trainer in azalea gym in a little over 4 minutes is insane.

  • @ChaosWindScar99
    @ChaosWindScar99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Battle of 2 titans nice! Never clicked so fast. Thanks for the great content!
    After watching, Honestly the results I was expecting, Although I was surprised to see your move set choice for Tyrannitar for your second playthrough red fight.

  • @Hanesboi
    @Hanesboi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    That first run with Tyranitar would face much fewer issues if it's attack IVs weren't as cut by HP Flying

  • @danclaydon6588
    @danclaydon6588 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Scott, your upload schedule has been insane lately. I dunno how you're making them so quickly but I'm loving the videos as always

  • @johntarver5684
    @johntarver5684 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Scott, I hope that beer you got tasted delicious! You truly earned it with your month of hard work!

  • @trombaritone86
    @trombaritone86 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Tyranitar has always been one of my favorite mons. I transferred an egg over to Soul Silver a while back to use it from the beginning of the game. Larvitar hatched knowing rock slide, earth quake, dark pulse, and bite. Those aren't supposed to be egg moves, so I was more than a little surprised. Let's just say the beginning of the game was easier than I've ever had.
    One bit of constructive criticism with the overlay (which is awesome information to have as a viewer), it seems like the stats are in a different order for your pokemon vs the opponent. I'm colorblind, so I have no idea which is special defense and which is defense on the opposing pokemon. You put a ton of work into these. Thanks for the content!

    • @RandomLombax37
      @RandomLombax37 ปีที่แล้ว

      It goes
      HP
      Attack
      Defense
      Special Attack
      Special Defense
      Speed

    • @JaharNarishma
      @JaharNarishma ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@RandomLombax37 The other order is
      HP Speed
      Att Sp. Att
      Def Sp. Def
      Speed being above or below the special stats is a bit confusing.

  • @TheEliseblackbriar
    @TheEliseblackbriar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That fairy venomoth in the corner got me so bad I choked on my drink xD Merry Christmas Scott!!

  • @101alan1
    @101alan1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I did a solo Larvitar play through a while back and it struggled in quite a few areas. It didn't evolve until right before the final Rival battle. I'm interested to see how this goes.

    • @MrPeabody67
      @MrPeabody67 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The Rival fight against the water starter in Azalea town was brutal for larvitar

  • @moritzgattaz3884
    @moritzgattaz3884 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love how you explain your strategies for each section/major battle. The fact that you test out moves we generally wouldn't see a Pokémon using makes these challenges even funnier to watch. Feels like you bring each Pokémon to their full potential! Keep up the great work!

  • @Leonomonn
    @Leonomonn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm really excited for this one. Tyranitar is my favorite Pokemon, but I love both these guys.

  • @grundgutigertv6170
    @grundgutigertv6170 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Venomoth is a GREAT representation of the fairy type right there. Its been one since gen 1 after all!

  • @TheThrownOutSofa
    @TheThrownOutSofa ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel needs more attention your content is so interesting and enjoyable all Pokémon fans deserve to watch

  • @isaotron
    @isaotron 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love seeing two excellent Pokemon do excellent against each other. My favorite kind of versus videos

  • @LeathalAttack
    @LeathalAttack 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, apart from the one speedrunner I've watched for years, you are the only person I consistently watch play through the same games repeatedly.
    I still love the content, so it keeps me coming back.

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well I'm glad the videos keep you coming back! Makes me happy to know I'm doing something right when making these.

  • @ubermusli
    @ubermusli 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started watching your videos maybe like six months ago, after a recommendation from my friend who watches you as they go to sleep.
    During these months, you've gone from being my go to channel for sleeping, to just always being on in the background, both day and night.
    No other channel comes closer to being the soundtrack of my time as a new father. And for that, I thank you.
    Happy holidays, and take care.

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Congrats on being a new father that’s really exciting and probably really exhausting. I’m honoured that my content has become the soundtrack for you during this special time.

  • @jacobliston7339
    @jacobliston7339 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the chuckle at 26:09
    Plus, the idea of Tyranitar wearing a pink bow makes me smile

  • @danielkaragic7057
    @danielkaragic7057 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man how cute is this dragonite-graphic!? A chunky, friendly little dragon. Great as always scott, enjoy the holidays

  • @red-eyessolares1817
    @red-eyessolares1817 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Cool to see both Psuedos get to be in the Ho-Oh/Lugia tier. You mentioned how you felt like keeping Crunch for Espeon would be dead weight, but I think there’s a solution to that. Replace Return with Crunch since it’s relearnable. While it seems bad to lose that before Karen since Return’s not 1-shotting Umbreon, Rock Slide can flinch it. If you want to avoid turn 1 Sand Attack, replacing Hidden Power Flying with Detect can solve that issue.

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Detect won't help because Espeon will just use Mud-slap on the next turn anyways. It's going to spam it.

  • @samrushin2476
    @samrushin2476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really like how they slightly altered Tyranitar's design so it looks more like a rocky dinosaur monster than an angry piece of wall insulation.

  • @adventureoflinkmk2
    @adventureoflinkmk2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:04 -- LOL I love the look on that Lapras when you call out Misty has ice moves

  • @ReederMG
    @ReederMG 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phenomenal video as always! And I appreciate the pinned FAQ comment. You covered my question about not using Bite against Morty.

  • @pinoxio
    @pinoxio 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i am realy exited about this video! im sick and cannot drive home for christmas, and you are brightening up my late night wake up (slept a lot today)
    you are the only person i am commenting the videos because i loved them since the beginning of your youtube carrer! you are such a nice guy, i love your humor and positivity!
    like you, i loved the games as a kid and played them much to often and for too long.. i got the blue one back then and stayed up all night with my friends, and even on the toilet breaks i heared the beautiful sound of the first generation repeating in my head.
    dont forget to take a brake and relax, you gave us a such a huge amount of videos lately!
    i wish you and your better half a merry christmas, enjoy it, you deserve it :)

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Merry Christmas to you as well! Sorry to hear you’re sick and can’t drive home for the holidays.
      Thanks so much for the kind comment. I’m having a sort of bleh day. Finished production yesterday and I think the pace change is messing with me. Thanks so much for the pick me up! It means a lot.

  • @ScottE-2
    @ScottE-2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Haven't seen this yet but I get the feeling it is going to be quite close until they both get to Red. I will have to come back and edit this thing to go further into thoughts about this. These two are definitely the greatest rivals that never met.
    CALLED IT. ALSO Why no Fire Punch? You get a clean kill when fighting Steelix and Fortress. I've also noticed you didn't pick up A SINGLE PP UP. You could've picked up one or two to help Tyranitar from running out of Rock Slides an easy one in Ice Path right before you leave it. Same with the single PP up before facing Erika which is in the same location seen in Yellow in a tree. Heck you even went BACK for the charcoal and didn't even use it unless you just sold it so you could get your TMs and the like. Because it sells for a nice price of 4,800 P. At least now the whole stats have been fixed with just the names to work out with the next series of playthroughs.
    As for anyone to KO Umbreon, it would have to be either Primape (thanks to Cross Chop), Heracross (with Megahorn if level 54), MAYBE Hitmonchan if it has its High Jump Kick Egg Move, Hitmonlee (with Hi Jump Kick), Machamp definitely has a shot at KO'ing it but that is if it can be fast enough to even hit Umbreon before it uses Sand Attack.

    • @james_ford86
      @james_ford86 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Being faster than Umbreon isn't difficult, as even though Umbreon has a higher base speed stat than Machamp, it doesn't get any stat exp boosting its speed, whereas the player's Machamp can. Plus, Umbreon isn't exactly known for being a speed-demon, with only a 65 base speed stat (only 10 higher than Machamp). This would be easy AF to overcome with either a few Carbos or just battling pokemon that have a high base speed stat, even if Machamp was a few levels lower than Umbreon,

    • @homer23422000
      @homer23422000 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hitmontop with High jump kick (egg move) should also OHKO Umbreon, and maybe a max attack Poliwrath with Submission can also do it.

  • @johnnyrankin
    @johnnyrankin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg I’ve been waiting forever! Thank you Dennis!

  • @ajifiblu4905
    @ajifiblu4905 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    great video as always. just noticed what looks like a bug with your software. at 24:48 when teaching hidden power the icon displayed is ground but in the next cut this is flying as it should. also the mechanics for burn should be implemented differently (referencing the snorlax video here.) burn halves the power of all physical moves as opposed to halving the attack stat, so instead of 500 atk turning to 250, double edge's power should be 90 instead of 180. possibly a trivial detail, but considering the depth of implementation with gen 1 paralysis, it could be a good thing to add.

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  ปีที่แล้ว

      The stat shown on the screen is the stat the internal memory is recording. Burn halves the attack stat.

  • @tsunlastspock2206
    @tsunlastspock2206 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I was a little confused why you weren't using Bite on Ttar's first playthrough against Morty, since even if your SpA. was 3/4 of you Att, the move base power was 50% higher and took fewer turns. Similar with Ice Punch vs HP Ground on Jasmine's Steelix for Dnite, it's happened a few times now that you've favored Ice over Ground moves against Steelix on first playthroughs. Even so, those battles were simple and it doesn't really change the overall risk. Thinking of the Punches, it's always been weird to me that Ttar got Fire Punch but not Ice Punch or Thunder Punch.
    The use of HP Flying to avoid the slowdown of not immediately facing Chuck was well-thought; since you've noticed on a few videos now that he can be a crucial slowdown if you delay him (access to Fly is massive) it might be worth considering accounting for him with HP type on future playthrough optimizations, if moveset diversity allows it. I do think changing this up on the second playthrough hurt Tyranitar's result a fair bit, since it barely struggled with Chuck in the first playthrough; one potential reset there I think would still save more real time.
    It's nice to see how the nameless opponent Pokemon from that earlier livestream came to be; every fix in programming is going to lead to at least one new bug. Good that you're able to notice these bugs and fix them, though!
    A good performance overall, it's no surprise to me that Dragonite did so well. The S tier is beginning to fill up, I wonder who else will join it going forward.

    • @Lockirby2
      @Lockirby2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ice Punch might have been the right call against Steelix because its defense stat is insane and Ice Punch can freeze while still probably doing similar-ish (probably even more) damage. I think that using Dig against Gengar was a misplay though. Sometimes I think Scott overprioritizes physical moves against Gengar/Alakazam in Gen II because they're so specially bulky in Gen I.

    • @BoopaKing
      @BoopaKing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Steelix has the same base defense as Shuckle.
      Ice punch would deal more damage than HP ground.

  • @LTDextel
    @LTDextel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    26:16 technically if the remakes are correct, that is Lance's Dragonite harassing the rocket employee. Also, Dennis!

  • @darnedchris
    @darnedchris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video once again Scott!
    About the one-shot on Umbreon, I instantly think of Herracross Megahorn? Sure, 85% accuracy but still, 120 power super effective STAB move with high attack? :-)

  • @andersonantunesdeleu8591
    @andersonantunesdeleu8591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scott this video immediately caught my attention with its title! What a clash!

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed! I’ve been so excited for this one for at least a year’

  • @rainbowfish420
    @rainbowfish420 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yet another great video. Tyrantitar was one of my fav Gen 2 pokemon when I was a kid but bc u get it endgame I could never enjoy it ,glad to see this playthrough

  • @ivankelava9191
    @ivankelava9191 ปีที่แล้ว

    My fav Pseudo Legendary Tyrararara :D Love this content man!! Thanks for that !!

  • @joel2628
    @joel2628 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ooooh. My senses are telling me the Metagross versus Salamence race is finally going to happen soon! Nice.

  • @DarkNia64
    @DarkNia64 ปีที่แล้ว

    That timeskip edit at 19:34 was superb. Looked like Ethan just ran past the hiker saying "I don't have time for you."

  • @iamlordapollo
    @iamlordapollo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scott, as a fellow musician, I had a hilarious and thematically relevant idea for your channel.
    I think we can all agree that the abbreviation for same type attack bonus being STAB is pretty hilarious. But it's also sort of mundane that it's the only boost with a cool name like that when there's type advantage, and badge boost, and badge type boost from gen 2. Therefore I propose we assign note divisions to the different values:
    Obv same type attack bonus is +50% will be either whole or half STAB depending how you wanna do it.
    Type Advantage is x2 damage so we call it either whole or Double STAB.
    Badge boost and badge type boost each give +12.5% respectively, which would be an eighth STAB. Put both boosts together for +25% and that's a Quarter STAB.
    You could even meme it pretty in depth lol. Badge boost plus same type attack bonus would be a dotted Quarter STAB XD
    And so on and so forth.

  • @luciddreamworks
    @luciddreamworks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gosh Scott, you are pumping out content like no one I've seen!!
    You deserve success on TH-cam
    It's been so cool to see the growth since I started watching a couple years ago
    Anyways, I hope you and your fiance are doing well..she's the same type as venemoth if I'm not mistaken?
    Ghost, ice type is OP!!

  • @d.a.d.-ohgosh
    @d.a.d.-ohgosh ปีที่แล้ว

    My favorite video of yours so far!!!

  • @BigKingQ
    @BigKingQ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad I didn't have to ask for this one. Thank you Scott 😊

  • @RealCaptainAwesome
    @RealCaptainAwesome ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Tyranitar back sprite is so nostalgic.

  • @Lotus_RT
    @Lotus_RT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    14:16 still better luck than when I did my Tyranitar playthrough. When I faced Whitney, what did Clefairy roll with Metronome? Cross Chop! (Yes, it hit)

  • @dungeonpastor
    @dungeonpastor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dragonite proving why he's dominate. My favorite of all time. Great video, Scott.

    • @ruisurengai
      @ruisurengai 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      To be fair the DVs didn't suffer like TTars

    • @antonywells5559
      @antonywells5559 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Technically, if he'd played Ttar right, Dragonite stood no chance. period. I've reran these contests and yeah..

  • @MightyRyan1337
    @MightyRyan1337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used both these Pokemon in my Scarlett playthrough and they are both fantastic, Tyranitar has one of my all time favorite designs. Also I nicknamed my Dragonite Stormfly, think it suits it well

  • @Erstadan
    @Erstadan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The amount of entertainment you and your team are producing is astounding. just make sure you don't burnout... thanks

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      FInished all the production for the year yesterday. I'm on vacation now :D

    • @Erstadan
      @Erstadan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScottsThoughtsPokemon good to hear!

  • @SinnerChrono
    @SinnerChrono 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dragonite is my favorite pokemon so im rooting for him. But no matter what im sure you always try to be fair scott. And i appreciate that. Happy holidays.

  • @InfernosReaper
    @InfernosReaper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Honestly, dropping Crunch(effective 120 power) seemed a bit of an odd choice to, since it's comparable-enough to Return against everything except Fighting and Bug pokemon(aka, what Hidden Power Fly is meant to deal with) and would be super-effective against Espeon, so less potentially less Mudslaps to deal with.
    EDIT: The potential for debuffing is also a nice bonus of Crunch.

    • @KylestyleTV
      @KylestyleTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also, for Morty, using dig which takes 2 turns at 120 power seemed like not as good of a choice as using bite at 180 power since the ghosts have a low so def too

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@KylestyleTV Yeah, Bite's generally a better choice than Dig, but ya gotta factor in Special Attack vs Special Defense, rather than Attack vs Defense, which may affect the comparison
      Crunch at 80 power(effectively 120 base; 240 vs weaknesses) would definitely make up the gap to *destroy* Psychic and Ghost types.

    • @KylestyleTV
      @KylestyleTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@InfernosReaper yeah phone auto corrected SP Def to "so def". With their low SP def, bite shoulda been slightly* faster

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KylestyleTV that ghost's special defense is slightly higher than their physical. the physical attack of the attacker is higher than their physical defense.
      It looks like those gaps enough to make Dig and Bite about equal on paper, with Bite winning out overall for time, depending on stat experience.
      Crunch, on the other hand is so strong that there is not s contest.

  • @charlessegale6493
    @charlessegale6493 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I distinctively remember learning about Twister hitting Pokémon flying up in the air and Earthquake dealing double damage when a Pokémon is underground with Dig in Earl's class in Pokémon Stadium 2. Twenty-odd years ago.
    ...crap, I feel old.

  • @mattulibarri6181
    @mattulibarri6181 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2 of my favorite pokemon of all time (Dragonite #1) this is one of my favorite videos ever. Nice work! @scott

  • @peacocca190
    @peacocca190 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I notice the S tier filling up a bit. My guess is that it ends up with only 3 Pokémon in the end though. I remember you saying you wanted to redo the box art legends when you got better at the game, so I predict Lugia and Ho-Oh get optimized on a replay to be clearly a tier above the current S tier. Then you do Mewtwo and it beats both of them. The psychic nerf won't really hurt Mewtwo until gen 3 (darn you Poochyena!!!) since no dark type Pokémon appear in the game until after Mewtwo has a move to hit them. It's faster and hits harder than the birds making it's inferior (but honestly still pretty good) bulk rather a moot point.

  • @MrSaturnMusic
    @MrSaturnMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are so fun to watch, seeing the different strengths and weaknesses of these Pokemon back to back
    I'm hoping to see Slowbro vs Slowking

  • @NativeGolfer10
    @NativeGolfer10 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m looking forward to the new content and how you will be tackling all the new challenges across 4 games.

  • @fritz1651
    @fritz1651 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    T-tars Gen 2 backsprite looks so sick, it already has the edge over the goofy plump dragon design-wise.

  • @dragonknight1560
    @dragonknight1560 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really happy Dragonite got that win hehe. I'm glad! But yea, this was a close match-up! Good work Scott! But yea, the random chance of going through Red is not easy.

  • @TJF588
    @TJF588 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:37 "But yeah, if _could_ use it, in that case, it would deal double damage~."
    Something about how "double damage" is said with that rising intonation is charmingly pleasant.

  • @WillowEpp
    @WillowEpp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Speaking of your overlay, I'm curious: have you thought about adding damage range calculation to the individual moves to show in real time what the effects of BP+stats+enemy turns out to be? I realise it would probably reduce the delta between initial play and optimisation, but it seems very natural as an extension of what you've already done.

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes. I have already written functions to do this. In 2023 at some point I’ll show exact damage ranges in the 2nd playthrough portion of the video. First playthroughs will still be done this way because I don’t want to take all the mystery out of things.

    • @WillowEpp
      @WillowEpp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Cool! I've definitely wondered in cases where, for example, there's a neutral move with high stat vs. super effective with low stat. Or the cases where the defensive stats come into play. Anyway, something to look forward to; the best Pokémon overlay is just getting better!

  • @MrSharkings
    @MrSharkings 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i like how in the title card tyranitar's all "ARRGAGFDTAG I AM GODZILLA AND I WILL DESTROY YOUR CITY" and dragonite's just like "o hey there :)"

  • @SteorraD
    @SteorraD 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was looking forward to this run lets goo

  • @TheRealBlakers
    @TheRealBlakers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video has so much hype. I can't wait for the Gen3 Pseudo-4-Way.

  • @haraldstraume6892
    @haraldstraume6892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    HP flying couldve been a mistake overall. That 15 DV mightve given some more favourable ranges in a few cases, though the consistency might be problematic. TTar also has good special options, so maybe that could be the necessary tech for him to improve even more, at least throughout Johto.
    DNite seems pretty much optimised on the other hand!
    Great vid!

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did check other hidden power types but not consciously thinking about the damage ranges because of the attack DV. I'll keep that in mind in the future.

  • @TheArchit3cture
    @TheArchit3cture ปีที่แล้ว

    25:23. This summarizes why they were like "no, you WAIT until later to get a Lavitar. You're going to get cooked."

  • @laureate90
    @laureate90 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah, Godzilla vs Destroyah, can't wait :)
    I'd have gone with King Ghidorah, but that's clearly Hydreigon. Mothra of course being Volcarona... You totally have a potential series here, man.

    • @GerBessa
      @GerBessa 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or Venomothra...

    • @laureate90
      @laureate90 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GerBessa The legendary poison fairy pokemon? Too epic to contemplate...

  • @LemanRuss01
    @LemanRuss01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    TTAR

  • @PrincessGoth574
    @PrincessGoth574 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dratini vs larvitar would be adorable hehe. Love the vs videos its like 2 in 1!

  • @Red-jq6bw
    @Red-jq6bw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    YOOOW! MY FAVORITE POKEMON VS POSSIBLY THE STRONGEST POKEMON IN REGARDS TO COMPETITIVE! I'M HYPED!

  • @kingedgy6608
    @kingedgy6608 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you try to use the Curse + Detect strategy against Venusaur? I think it might work out pretty well to block solar beam and let you one-shot everything else (maximum of 1 mud slap taken).

  • @jordanalexander615
    @jordanalexander615 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The later generations Dragonite really shines with the physical special split. Great coverage and can utilize its good attack stat finally.

  • @wrathofgod943
    @wrathofgod943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also if I'm remembering gen 2 Ai correctly from crystal kaizo. The Ai will roll the damage for all it's moves then choose the one that does the highest damage. So for instance when the miltank used stomp, the game rolled a Crit for the stomp and checked it against a non-crit rollout. Then it picked stomp, but because it Crit on the test it was really unlikely to Crit when actually used.

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It does check the rolls, but Im not sure if it considers crits. I’ll have to look into that.

  • @LinkLovesCrawfish
    @LinkLovesCrawfish 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good Pokémon pics this video is going to be fun!

  • @griffin8762
    @griffin8762 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice vid but (and you've probably heard this a hundred times now) you heavily underestimate Tyranitar's special stats
    with 95 special attack, tyranitar is tied for 10th highest in the game
    some other pokemon with 95 spA:
    Electabuzz, Articuno, Kingdra
    stab cromch is very strong, it's actually the second strongest crunch in the game behind houndoom

  • @BarelyLegal23
    @BarelyLegal23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have no idea how your pumping these videos out daily, I hope youtube is paying you well lol

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      We started working on all this at the start of November! That’s how ;)

  • @Fullmetal1291985
    @Fullmetal1291985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    13:15 hair cut guy brings out his iron file 😂

  • @grant804558
    @grant804558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can you implement the physical/special split in these earlier games it might provide very different results

  • @franz009franz
    @franz009franz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    tyranitar is in my top 3 of all pokemon
    dragonite is somwhere in the 10-15 range. Pog video

  • @Rat2rrj
    @Rat2rrj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another interesting run would be poliwrath in crystal, chuck knows of the dynamic punch and surf combo, but how would you improve on those building blocks? Happy 2023 everybody!

  • @CelticGuardian7
    @CelticGuardian7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With how some of these runs go, it can be easy to forget just how threatening Red can be. It was cool to see him give both of these titans a run for their money. =)

  • @Done4good-s7w
    @Done4good-s7w 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm just full on guessing. Dragonite W
    Tyranitar is gonna get walled by Chuck and lose the midgame but is gonna steamroll through Kanto.
    Dragonite is gonna have a moderately easy time against most gym leaders/trainers that aren't Jasmine (if it doesn't have a fire move) Claire and Lance. Kanto won't be a push, but I would be worried going against Blastoise hail+Blizzard combo.
    Tyranitar would have an easier time if it had it's ability.

    • @Muriuki34
      @Muriuki34 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gen 2 my friend, there is no hail !

    • @Done4good-s7w
      @Done4good-s7w 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Muriuki34 I am dying lol

  • @xblade56478645
    @xblade56478645 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw the Title amd was like "Dragonite, duh. Why do you need an hour long video for that?" LOL. I was in for a surprise when I clicked.

  • @Kyle_MJ
    @Kyle_MJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Next Pseudo Legendary Match: Metagross vs Garchomp
    Let’s make it happen!
    Merry Christmas Scott!

  • @matthiasrauert8397
    @matthiasrauert8397 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Want to see a rematch in gen 3. T-tars ability alone makes it so much better in these games.

    • @shadowtitanx3962
      @shadowtitanx3962 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Idk. Sand Stream might bloat its time.

  • @glennvandierendonck3771
    @glennvandierendonck3771 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this week we had Dratini/dragonair & Larvitar/pupitar, replay incoming soon?

  • @hansvantcg
    @hansvantcg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yessssssss let’s go my boy TTAR!!!!! Hopefully he pulls out the win

  • @JitteryJackanape
    @JitteryJackanape ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you consider doing this playthrough again in HGSS? I am curious as to how the physical special split would effect results.

  • @nathanandsugar5252
    @nathanandsugar5252 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scott: How convenient!
    Every NPC in Scarlet/Violet: So convenient!

  • @stevenpaul7717
    @stevenpaul7717 ปีที่แล้ว

    So I'm aware this is an older video but I've seen it a couple times being as Tyranitar has been one of my favorites since I first saw it. I've been doing some runs through crystal and have formed a few opinions because of that. I don't keep track of real time being as I run the games on my phone so I only keep track of game time. That said I have clocked a 4:46 with Tyranitar. That said the things I try to do with pokemon if I can. No return, or any of the other generic gen 2 moves every pokemon can learn so detect, rest into sleep talk, curse. Although I had to heal in goldenrod with Tyranitar I try not to use the pokeCenter until I reach Olivine. Use the potions you can pick up on the way as well as the eithers and careful move replacements only when pp is used up. Never use the pokecenter in Ecruteak it wastes to much time. Also lake of rage waits until you have fly, it causes to much back tracking. All training on optional trainers waits until on the way to Ecruteak as well, the experience up until then isn't worth the time. After that it's all straight forward with the exception that as soon as you beat the radio station rocket plot line you max out your vitamins using all the money you have available. Battling most of the trainers on victory road is also good experience. Arrive at Red with 9 rare candies. Boosting to level 71 on Tyranitar with the move set of crunch, thrash, earthquake and rockslide. That said most of the issues you have with red are still issues. Earthquake one shots pikachu even after charm but charm is also an auto reset. If it fails or it goes for thunder which it can do, venosaur can be 2 shot but it's a range, the same can be said for blastoise. Espion will out speed and either hit 2 mud-slaps or a reflect and a mud-slap before you take it down. Snorlax is the worst because it's a 3 shot amd can heal. If it drags out to long you'll get paralyzed and it's basically over. But if you can beat that then you need only land 1 rockslide on charzard who seems to only go for flamethrower. Most of the game was very easy with the exception of rival 2 and 3.... oh you need to battle 3 extra trainers before rival 2 I forgot that. That let's you outspeed the gastly. And you need to get fire punch for rival 3 and be at level 24 I think it was.
    All that said, I know no where near as much about these games as you do and I think you could beat that time yet. I love your content you're amazing. I'd challenge you to use return less if I had any gripe at all. Keep it up man, sorry for the long winded comment.

  • @dantemalick2872
    @dantemalick2872 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dragonite learning wing attack at 55 makes sense since that's the level dragonair evolves and actually gets wings
    Another thing why not hidden power psychic on tyrannitar it only seemed to need it for fighting types and that's 15 attack ev

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ahhh yes! That does make sense

    • @dantemalick2872
      @dantemalick2872 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScottsThoughtsPokemon the small difference probably would have made you need slightly less training in a few spots and you might have not needed to use a rare candy early either

  • @jaredstivers
    @jaredstivers ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder how the Gen 4 race would do between these to Titan Pokemon? Crunch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Ability Stand Stream with Defense Buff, Outrage and Stone Edge. T-Tar also get access to Thunder, Ice and Fire Punch but Dragonite balances back with Dragon Rage. Plus this version would be cool to see Dratini vs Larvitar.

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, some of these races will be very different after the physical special split. I’m thinking of the Hitmons specifically!

    • @jaredstivers
      @jaredstivers ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Scott's Thoughts I think on the Hitmonlee vs. Hitmonchan race, Lee would probably get the win, but Chan would be tons more consistent. With both getting Close Combat, it would be more of an even battle, plus Lee gets Blaze Kick as a level up move.
      Lol. Dragonite gets all the Elemental at level 1, so its level 5 move generation would be a coin flip. It could have roost.
      Tyranitar, on the other hand, would probably get very interesting. It's unlocks the Elements Fang moves at level 1, gets Screech, has a stab Physical Bite and sets up Sand Storm with Sand Stream.

  • @lenlimbo
    @lenlimbo ปีที่แล้ว

    11:26 Personally, I think it is faster to just use screech once against scyther to secure the three turns ko against it. Sure, in this case it took the same turns, but that makes it dependant of ranges. On the other hand, it can be argued that using screech you put yourself at the risk of missing the screech, and that's fair. Personal experience tells me that it is better to risk having bad luck with one move than having to be lucky with two, but it is safer to use sandstorm, that much is true.
    45:56 Against Pidgeot, I would have used Thunder Punch, just in case. If it survives and uses Mirror Move, Dragonite receives a neutral attack. If it survives Ice Punch (as it happened her), doesn't freeze and uses Mirror Move, Dragonite takes a x4 attack to the face.

  • @calebowen2006
    @calebowen2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I guess I'll see your solution but I'd have used curse against venasuar since it likes to solarbeam first turn and then detect the attack but we shall see if you try that

  • @craigseverance6235
    @craigseverance6235 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I imagine an industrial tile polisher would make tyranitar happy and works as a "haircut"

  • @PS1Fan1991
    @PS1Fan1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both did extremely well! Being a Dragonite fan, I have to say that I am very happy especially after seeing how it wasn't as good in Gen 1 for solo challenges.

  • @RecRoomPlays
    @RecRoomPlays ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crunch/Rock Slide/Earthquake/a Normal move has always been my go-to Tyranitar moveset, it's surprising how much those three moves can cover

    • @antonywells5559
      @antonywells5559 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Crunch, Rock Slide, Earthquake and Aerial Ace are the best and most optimal skills. He's awesome

  • @discgolfwes
    @discgolfwes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about setting up curse against the Pikachu with Tyranitar?

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thunder actually does a lot and it can paralyze which is why I didn’t go for that strat. Also, Pikachu can use charm again. It isn’t very likely, but if it does happen, it’s basically instantly a reset. Then I still have to play around the mud slap accuracy loss anyways. So I didn’t want to lose time in the early portions of the fight. Instead get to Espeon as fast as possible to roll the dice.

    • @discgolfwes
      @discgolfwes ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScottsThoughtsPokemon thanks for the explanation Scott!

  • @galaktoza
    @galaktoza 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    55:23 first rule of programming: don't repeat yourself. You probably only need one bigger div block which repeats in a for loop. What's the architecture of this thing, why use Vue in the first place?

    • @ScottsThoughtsPokemon
      @ScottsThoughtsPokemon  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've been programming for less than a year.
      Since this video it's already been refactored to a for loop.
      Why Vue? Because when I started there was a vue template made by Gamehook's founder. I have considered React etc but it doesn't make sense to invest that time learning / developing when it already works.

    • @galaktoza
      @galaktoza ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Wish you luck in this field and I really enjoy your channel and dedication but to be honest I use sometimes to fall asleep to your videos on purpose. 🤭
      Also, maybe I am an outlier but I never actually played Pokemon when I was a little kid but still watched some anime and loved the first gen. Nowadays, I despise how they design them and pump them out. Just wanted to say that you have successfully reached out to these kinds of people too.