Penuel The Black Pen In Conversation Mkhuleko Hlengwa,Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi, ANC, IFP, EFF, DA
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- THE PENUEL SHOW WITH MKHULEKO HLENGWA
00:00 - INTRO
02:35 - The birth of the IFP
18:10 - What are we missing with the Anglicon Church
21:10 - CODESA minutes & documents
25:00 - The banning of other parties
28:30 - Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi
34:25 - How KZN got its name
39:10 - Thoughts on black leaders
42:25 - Who qualifies for struggle credentials
46:00 - Nelson Mandela’s “Sellout” label
51:10 - What lead to ANC & IFP fights
1:03:15 - Did IFP condemn the killings
1:09:45 - Political employment within Gov.
1:13:40 - Communal self sustenance
1:16:18 - Thoughts on APLA soldiers
1:20:35 - Traditional leadership
1:25:05 - Have traditional leaders done enough
1:33:40 - State & Tribal land ownership
1:38:20 - Traditional courts & leadership
1:41:35 - Female representation in traditional courts & leadership
1:43:30 - Reforming traditional organisations
1:48:30 - Struggles of independent parties
1:50:35 - Are Zulu’s violent
1:55:30 - Impact of losing Prince Buthelezi
2:10:05 - Can the IFP still grow
2:16:25 - IFP’s performance
2:21:00 - Thoughts on IFP adopting Zulu identity
2:27:00 - Multiparty Charter
2:32:20 - Coalition government
2:41:10 - Closing comments
2:44:03 - ENDS
Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu
IG: kzndlovu
Tt: khwezindlovu
THE PENUEL SHOW WITH MKHULEKO HLENGWA
00:00 - INTRO
02:35 - The birth of the IFP
18:10 - What are we missing with the Anglicon Church
21:10 - CODESA minutes & documents
25:00 - The banning of other parties
28:30 - Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi
34:25 - How KZN got its name
39:10 - Thoughts on black leaders
42:25 - Who qualifies for struggle credentials
46:00 - Nelson Mandela’s “Sellout” label
51:10 - What lead to ANC & IFP fights
1:03:15 - Did IFP condemn the killings
1:09:45 - Political employment within Gov.
1:13:40 - Communal self sustenance
1:16:18 - Thoughts on APLA soldiers
1:20:35 - Traditional leadership
1:25:05 - Have traditional leaders done enough
1:33:40 - State & Tribal land ownership
1:38:20 - Traditional courts & leadership
1:41:35 - Female representation in traditional courts & leadership
1:43:30 - Reforming traditional organisations
1:48:30 - Struggles of independent parties
1:50:35 - Are Zulu’s violent
1:55:30 - Impact of losing Prince Buthelezi
2:10:05 - Can the IFP still grow
2:16:25 - IFP’s performance
2:21:00 - Thoughts on IFP adopting Zulu identity
2:27:00 - Multiparty Charter
2:32:20 - Coalition government
2:41:10 - Closing comments
2:44:03 - ENDS
Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu
IG: kzndlovu
Tt: khwezindlovu
Great interview please get JJ thabane on your show
Thie was thoroughly a good interview. Mkhuleko is bright well articulated chap.IFP is lucky to have him in they're corner.
Beautiful T-shirt, this is why its important to have young people in leadership they make politics fashionable.😅
He is one of my favourite parliamentarians as well. Him and Nqabayomzi Kwankwa of the UDM. I’d love to hear from Mr Kwankwa in future if you can Penuel.
Yes, please. Nqabayomzi as a guest please.
Having been disappointed by the ANC, and being put off politicians henceforth, its quite refreshing to hear from such young articulate leaders... without being stuck with party politics, he is one of the leaders South Africa needs to use, simply for his sincerity in his politics, regardless of his party...
As an MP, he needs to be given responsibilities by whoever is president or ruling party... he is simply a breath of fresh air in the pollution that is Ego-based politicians
Wise young leader. I've followed his growth within politics and he's still a man with integrity. Great conversation.
If you could take these young guyz Mkhuleko,Papas,Xolani Mngambi from news room,Adrinel from news room and give them task to run departments, there will be order and accountability in their office offices because they are straightforward people not forgetting Advocate Ike Khumalo
A very clear, articulate and intelligent young man. The IFP must keep on churning out such young leaders for this country!
Wow.. a full history lecture for free! Love it
I love and respect Mr Mkhuleko Hlengwa sooooo much. I wish he was president. BEST GREAT, RESPECTABLE AND RESPECTING, INTELLIGENT YOUNG MIND
There's a lot I was surprised that IFP did during Apartheid. They built clinics, universities, and more. I'm from Impendle between Bulwer and underberg in KZN
True, the RDP house's you see eDambuza were tabled by Inkatha, the plan was to build homes better that the one build Esobantu, Embali and Ashdown. The plan was for homes like ezaseWstgate. But when ANC took over the plan bakha lawamakopi in order maximize profits.
Mfwethu, the lies we were told about the IFP! Please look up his involvement in the Kwa Tembe Elephant conservation area. Today, the Kwa Tembe Tribal Authority owns a lodge that is owned by the community.
Mina, I was surprised when uMa told about the clinics and said I must an old 80 year old.
He told me a lot of stories, nangezimpi and stuff. I know all those houses you are talking about.
I used to work for Edendale Eyethu and ngizihamba zonke lezozindawo.
@thabaninjokwe3439 Kuningi Bru, at some stage, laseKuwuRhino khona kwakunoBlue Reborn and amaqabane kaThambo ayefuna ukuwushisa inkatha yabavimba yababuza ukuthi mase ushisiwe abantu bazosithathaphi isinkwa and abasebenza khona bazozondla ngani izingane. All these stories are told by umkhulu
Jeez wisdom en powering info on this young leader never underastmate
I have been to Newcastle twice and I feel it’s like the poster child of IFP governance
Juvenile Prisons
School of industry
Factories though some closed
Better infrastructure
Cleaner
The most educational episode so far. Not for entertainment junkies.
Hlengwa: "What kind of EXILE were ANC leaders subjected to, if they lived comfortably abroad?"
Such an irrelevant question/comment. It doesn't change the circumstances as to why they were there and what they were doing in those regards. A comfortable hostage is still a hostage. A comfortable exiled is still living in exiled. Let's not get distracted.
Tambo was mobising international solidarity and brought sanctions by engaging with other goverments that brought the end to apartheid without the using of military weapons...the economic sanctions and the diplomatic relations that OR made by going to the UN and presenting the side of the majority, he was also very critical in the training of the intellectual leadership and military support by the Soviet union....his exile was so not comfortable together with his family
@@RedditDailyC that exiled person must not come back and claim to be a leader. They are cowards. They ran away. just like the people of Zimbabwe today.
The person with the biggest megaphone gets to dictate the truth and history.
You get to have the biggest megaphone if you steal it, have money to buy it or befriend the people who can give it to you.
Everyone else gets accused of lying, when they don't have the megaphone.
Good morning Mr Mlotshwa and Mr Hlengwa. Today Pen, you said it the way it is. You have one articulate Gentleman in our show. If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be interested in watching Parliament or be glued to South African Politics. Monday treat it is. Thanks
I have so much respect for the IFP for the purposes they existed for freedom, staying true to their word and what they stand for.
He is so so on point, I've read on Mangosuthu's biographies and look him up intensively and he is very accurate.... There is a dark history to the ANC that's very scary
Am voting IFP.
His calmness and demeanor are refreshing. IFP are really to have this gentleman in their leadership.
We're getting much closer to national elections. Was quite excited with one of my fave young leaders in SA.
Mkhuleko Hlengwa is absolutely absolutely brilliant. Please enjoy the episode, and thank you for your never-ending support of our work 🙏🏽❤️
to be honest Mr P am not👐 voting✍️✍️ for anything cos all this political parties are promising us lies after lies
@@TebogoLloydMashitisho I don't blame you.
@@TebogoLloydMashitishoIf you don’t vote,don’t complain if you don’t get what you deserve.It’s your duty. Your forefathers fought for that privilege.Don’t waste it.
Get a Macbook Penuel. Your guests won't think you are ignoring them when you're googling info.
@@jennywood7426 our country is going nowhere because of lies after lies
Penuel may please one day have another conversation with Baba uMbuso Khoza about uThemba Khoza who was a strong leader of IFP in Gauteng and who happens to his uncle.
Hlengwa is clear minded and articulate their position very well. Uphuma ezandleni za Shenge.
I always listen to this young man Mkhuleko,he is original, he is someone KZN needs in this Province even though he is from IFP.What comes from his mouth is pure he thinks before he says something. I HOPE DUMA AND MTOLO could take his a parten
Ikhwezi is actually a star ihamba ne nyanga mangabe isiselwa inyanga kodwa kuyenzeka ibe yodwa by the isona star esigcina ukushona ekuseni.
Wow Mkhulekho Hlengwa doesn't cease to amazed he even know the historical creation of Inkatha yenkululeko yesizwe ,wow the man is brilliant.The late Mangosuthu Buthelezi once narrated that history in an
interview on SA FM
Mashasha 🐘🐘🐘🟥⬜️⬛️🟩🟨⬜️🟥👏🏾 well articulate leader that we have we are grateful for your leadership in the IFP
Look forward to this conversation. Mkhuleko Hlengwa of IFP like Nqabayomzi Kwankwa of UDM in the times I have heard them speak, always speak sense. They should be leading their respective parties in my view. If more young people were engaged in politics this would be the case.
Nqabayomzi is also very very brilliant 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Penuel, you are interviewing the brightest politician of his time. The question about the so- called "freedom fighters. " " " Freedom ", have to be interrogated from " CODESA".. Documents, minutes of agreement made on behalf of South Africans, should be made known and not be kept in secrecy.
Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi initially started at the ANC Youth League, then the ANC and was asked to set up the IFP... since parties like the ANC were banned at the time.
Hlengwa spoke about the congress in ANC linking it to American politics and insinuating why the ANC sold out. I would love for you to watch a podcast posted by King David Studios this weekend where in fact COPE leader, Lekota, explained that the congress has its lineage in Indian politics and what it meant to the founders of the ANC.
I mention this to you because I believe your platform will soon form the cornerstone of political knowledge for the youth for many years to come so it's important it puts out the most correct factual accounts it possibly can. 2024 was made for the Pen Show
Siyabonga Penuel this is one of the most informative episodes. Mashasha in his element, always brilliant in articulation. Definately one for the future and having being mentored by the master and leadership extraodinaire himself the late Prince MG Buthelezi he is destined for greater things.
Yet another great conversation. Sibonge Pen
As a young white South African and history buff I am learning so much about our nation's history. Even if the term rainbow nation has often been used in a superficial manner I do still see as the aim of post 1994 South Africa. We talk a lot about economic synchronisation post 1994 but I think we ignore the profound need to mutually understand and appreciate the intricacies of cultural histories and these podcasts can play a huge role in that and enabling a synchronisation of our multi-ethnic nation. I am of French heritage heritage and so have a deep understanding of French political history, philosophy and developped a form western democratic liberalism, yet I feel like as South African wishing for a united yet diverse SA nation I have been in the dark with regards to parts of the deep history of Zulu political philosophy and history. If there are any books or other resources please drop it in the comments.
We need more young leaders in parliament like this King 🤴🏿
Im so here for all the nuance that hes adding to the political history of this country throu the history of Inkatha and Kwazulu in general. Lots of the histories of our peoples needs to be told in this way to ensure that we dont wash away much of the complexity of this country's story to preserve the story of our fight against Apartheid.
Ikhwezi it a star ....the brightest star in the late hours of morning....in astronomy that Venus.
I love Mangosuthu Buthelezi and all he stood for!!! I know his history an have great respect for him. But I last respect for this guy after seeing how he treated Busisiwe Mavuzo, even though it's the ANC that's messed up escom, he took it aparn himself to tare a black woman donw just cos he could.
Yet he was used by the boers to try and create a war amongst blacks
Bumped into this highly respectful towering giant a while back . . .
What an astute black man 👌🏾
Hlengwa: "President Mbeki of the ANC wanted Mangosuthu Buthelezi to be his deputy in running the country. The ANC in KZN refused, unless if the IFP handed over the premiership."
Pen, I think your bias or love of JZ is feeding an elephant in the room. Hlengwa spoke repeatedly about the ANC in KZN thwarting whatever peace there was between the two and we know Zuma was a major factor in KZN politics but you didn't connect him to the chaos and division
@@ZS8753 I wasn't aware and Hlengwa could've raised this. I don't know at which point Zuma was at KZN... if you have intel, please share.
This has nothing to do with my liking of Zuma.
One of the positive assessmens, in my view, was the role Zuma played in leading the KZN out of violence but here you have Hlengwa saying the tension and hostility was in fact created by the ANC in KZN. Zuma was the foremost leader of the ANC in KZN. It would have been interesting to know what Hlengwa would have said had you asked him about it
***assessment
I can't believe i was not subscribed to this!!! anyway i am here Pen...
I appreciate you 🙏🏽
A beautiful mind and well articulated chap, absolutely love him. But we did not imagine seeing IFP members getting off police Hippos during the ANC and IFP wars in the townships. Particularly in Soweto in the early 90s, police and IFP were in the same bed!!!
people who were in close proximity to Prince Mangosuthu benefited a lot from his wisdom but the problem it was not filtered down to as far as branch level leadership, there are no proper induction, the guys down there do not knw much hence the succession plan and development within the party is not clear, the focus is mostly on mobilizing numbers with little to no focus on the qualitative aspects such as the constitution of the party , policies etc
I agree with you on that
Love Penuel but he kills me when he says HE IS NO LONGER ZULU 😂😂👌🏾👌🏾
He needs to tell us why he always says that
You are born a Zulu Son, you don't join being a Zulu...he is confused....
Interesting conversation, keep them coming Black Pen 🖋️. Documenting history.
This one needs my attention later
Penuel mfwethu Siyabonga, okuningi engikufundayo kulomsakazo wakho, kungenza ngibe nemibuzo emini ngabaholi abanjengo Thabo Mbeki, Mandela ukulandela futhi ukufa Kwa Chris Hani ngoba futhi wayengekho Umakudingidwa udaba lokubekwa phantsi kwazikhali, Uma ngijula ngemicabango ngempela ngiyethuka
Kepha ngempela mfwethu Siyabonga, uyawuqhaqha umqondo
With so many young minds in this country I’m asking myself. How this country fails ?
Massive respect for Mkululeko. Love the guy to bits 🎉
Hlengwa states that 20,000 ppl died in the IFP-ANC clashes, with 12,000 being IFP and 8000 being ANC.
Anything is possible. I believe that most people who died during the bad old days were not affiliated without party; mostly innocent people who lived in the wrong areas.
@@sifisomahlaba9438 I can agree with your sentiments.
Zulu's - Amazulu - Umzulu
Sotho's - Basotho - Mosotho etc etc...
Maan this Hlengwa speaks as if he is looking at and admiring himself in the mirror
Thank you for this one Pen.
Beautiful conversation ❤❤
It's not even 30 years but already our history is being distorted. Why we never document our history?
My brother when I think about that, I get scared
Very vocal leader but in a wrong political party, the man is bright ❤
Where do you think he should be?
@@GcinaTV ATM or UDM
@user-ev5os8ri4w LOL why those two parties if I may ask?
IFP is the right party
Ingane yendlovu izalwa yindlovu.
I Like how hw he articulated the issue of race politics when you asked him about why they can't they just be a Zulu party.
Mashasha one of the best in our youthful life, we are well represented here....😊
thank you for uploading am live here at home Mr P ✊✊✊
Sbonge 🙌🏾
Amazing podcast loving this all the way from zim
Genius
My grandfathers died for IFP whenever i see IFP i think of them
Great conversation
Informed, we'll done father of 7
Inkatha, we are hearing they tormenting black in KZN more special those who supported ANC even in thokoza Johannesburg people have deep scar about inkatha so I wish to know the actual truth about it
Problem is the ANC propaganda they never tell the actual truth
Cha Mashasha, iTheku has never been a Capital of anything.
The Capital has always been Pietermaritzburg.
😅Good conversation Pen,thank you
Mr Mkhuleko Hlengwa , what a fine mind, much respect. A lot of what was revealed here makes one really question the reality which this we are living.
Growing up I thought since time is a linear phemomenon , one can not edit the past once the incident has passed.
This was untill I came across a phenomenon called "Congnitive reframing" . I know the feel good gurus use this to for positive self talk and sprinkling negative situations with a touch of honey. But to me, This might also mean say, if you dont like someone since year 2020 because they did you really dirty, and then in say 2027 you get access to contrary evidence or perspective and then your hate vanishes. Thats akin to editing the past, but not in the literal sense but the fact that somethng changed in the way you were viewing your past.
A lot of that has happened to mind while watching this chat❤
The struggle at that time was so intense... President Tambo was every where trying to tell our story to the world... But there were opportunists as even now!
The issue of Sebokeng and other places that experienced Inkatha brutality will remain unanswered and acknowledged
Pen, please use a notepad or laptop for notes. The cellphones often distract and put off guests even after you give a disclaimer that you are using it to note.
Insightful conversation, can Penuel limit looking at his phone.
Well researched and clear fellow. He could be wrong but sounds very credible.
My favourite politician in South Africa 😊🎉
Hhmm....insightful....thinking
Penuel, I wanted you to ask, what’s the IFP relationship with uBaba?
Also why has he gone so mum in the current administration when he was very vocal during the previous administration?
Can we have Mcebo Dlamini please Penuel
The problem begins when you tell the history of an organisation but an individual reign supreme.
Mkhuleko is articulate. He must join MK Party.
Why?
The gentleman of SA parliament.
Sbonge Pen keep it local
The beauty of dialogue lies in the capacity for it to open the brian to alternative views, including those that the participants may never have interrogated.
Zulus are an interesting group of people, the ordinary zulu man on the street pose as agressive and violent but the leaders pose as victims and every injustice have been done to them
We need the mk spokesperson nhlamulo ndlela awumulande mf2
The guy speaks so soft and Penuel speaks so loud, something that should be corrected post production, cause Penuel has fluctuating voice. Please gents
Inkosi Hlabisa feels like an Interim President that's just warming up the seat for Hlengwa at this stage.
IFP-We need you to sort out the Ingonyama Trust
Wow!This broer is knowledgeable.
Stop pressing your phone while the guest speaks Pen...not a good sight
KwaZulu as iKhwezi. iNkatha being the thing you put on your head before putting a heavy load. uMqhele is a crown.
We won't compromized the true, IFP is done everything SA in particular KZN, out of nine provinces that exist in our country only one province have a land that below to the rightful hand called iNgonyama Trust Land through IFP. The most of amaKhosi who live in SA they which have a land that belong to them. explopriation of land without compensation we done a few day before 27 April 1994 and successful.
There has been a lot of mention of ANC KZN in this episode, may you please invite ANC SG Bheki Mtolo to this podcast to have a say.
Akahloniphi lowo baba nje !!!
Ikhwezi is the morning star (planet Venus) ka SePedi bare ke mphatlalatsane naledi ya meso...
Thank you for this 🙏🏽
ANC yavala ama College imishini yokugaya umoba ezindawe zasemakhaya ngoba bethi kwakhiwa umtwana babuyisela izwe emumva
ikhwezi is the morning. Uma sisedibheni, we would know by the appearance of ikhwezi that sekuyasa;
Still don't understand why IFP never made him their president mcm
I think they are still grooming him towards that
@@sandilemntungwa1538 I really feel like bekumele Mntungwa bebengaba ne chance kulokho while Anc n mk are both disjointed.nomake kune ube u Deputy
Hi. Pen on some important topics on the sibukeng and the east rand violance. They are docu. Rented on the book called the"'bang bang club"
The gentlemen is articulating his thoughts very well. But one thing he is not mentioning is that the IFP leadership was made up of only Zulu men out of all the tribes in South Africa hence why they were considered a tribal party. And the Boiphothong incident of a lady being killed shows that there was a retaliation against Gatsha.
I'd rather say it was an attack against Buthelezi.
Penuel sometimes apires ignorant, every time Julius and the Eff are asked if they are going to expropriate the land that belongs to Ingonyama trust, their answer is always no, and they state that the Ingonyama trust land belongs to the state already. So it is not fair for Pen to mention Julius on the question of land that belongs to traditional leaders.
Yazi we have leadership in SA, noh mani. 😅