Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of bread?

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  • I finally went and did it. Finally decided to just straight up try eating the actual wood from actual trees - in the form of sawdust bread, that is.
    In this episode I first try and see just how much sawdust I can bake into bread before it becomes noticeable and/or inedible, then having not suffered enough I decide to take things to the next level by blind taste testing six different species of sawdust loaves (after making lidded box out of the wood from those same six species, of course).
    Please enjoy my suffering for your entertainment.
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    #wood #trees #woodworking
    0:00 taste testing different amounts of sawdust
    7:31 making a lidded box
    15:29 blind taste testing different "flavors" of sawdust bread

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  • @Justinthetrees
    @Justinthetrees  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1020

    Hi friends! A few updates now that it's been a couple weeks since I ate a bunch of a sawdust bread:
    •First, thanks for enjoying this like you are! I'm genuinely so thrilled you're all having as much fun with it as I'd hoped. What a stupid thing I did, lol.
    •No, it didn't kill me! I wasn't poisoned and I felt completely fine! I'd still not recommend making and eating sawdust bread (because why), but I'm doin' a-ok!
    •I actually hadn't heard of William Osman or seen his sawdust rice krispies video until getting comments about it here. I checked it out and he's great! It's a really great video! (If you've somehow seen mine but not his, go watch his! It's better than this one lol) Anyway, I genuinely wish I HAD seen it before recording this because I would've done things like add even more sawdust and had other people try the flavors of bread (in which case I would've shouted him out). But, no, the only people I 'stole' this idea from were the people who had to eat sawdust bread throughout history. Props to them.
    •I'm still VERY tempted to bake a full loaf of cedar bread, so I super appreciate all the comments about how to more effectively impart the flavor without over-doing the sawdust-ness. Stay tuned, I'd be surprised if this is my last "wood flavored bread" video. (Several of you have said western redcedar wood is toxic but I've not found any real evidence of that in my research, so feel free to point me to any research you've found that says it will indeed poison me).
    •I guess this is the point in the list where I shamelessly self-promote. Join the patreon! www.patreon.com/justinthetrees - come hang w us on the discord channel, get extra content, etc. I'm still building it out there a bit, so even more to come!
    Okay, thanks again! You all rule and your support means more than you know!

    • @yosayoran1
      @yosayoran1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I would love to see you do this again and let other people have a taste! maybe even do it double blind to make it more "scientific"!
      I highly doubt a normal peson could differentiate the different tastes, it would be interesting to see what someone who doesn't know wood as well as you do thinks about them!
      anyway great video! love your content

    • @couchpotat1180
      @couchpotat1180 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wouldn't it be more fun if you weren't allowed to smell them during a blind taste test?

    • @ZeallustImmortal
      @ZeallustImmortal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was hoping the second half of this video was going to be you feeding it to people like his video, but im not upset with the woodworking and then "flavored" bread.

    • @treestuffer
      @treestuffer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Wish you'd shown yourself using a circular saw to cut the loaves.

    • @user-uy2ez3nb1m
      @user-uy2ez3nb1m 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      is there any actual historical proof that this occurred?
      why would anyone go through the trouble of sourcing "Sawdust" when Wheat Husk was already on hand?
      Wheat Husk also has the benefit of being the same colour as the Wheat, while imparting the same lack of nutrition & coarseness

  • @lotteryrose
    @lotteryrose 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8053

    Now i have a wonderfully comprehensive reference if i ever decide to write a story about starving orphan children in the 14th century having to eat sawdust bread! Thanks justinthetrees!

    • @Justinthetrees
      @Justinthetrees  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1390

      it's the least I could do

    • @richmondvand147
      @richmondvand147 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +247

      they probably would have been eating normal bread in the 1500s adulterants didnt' really come into play until the 1800s but I'm sure some did.

    • @Avendesora
      @Avendesora 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +325

      @@richmondvand147 that's assuming they're buying sawdust bread and not using sawdust on purpose to stretch their flour as far as it can go

    • @paigemarcum5586
      @paigemarcum5586 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      Definitely saving this for my dnd campaign

    • @stevie576
      @stevie576 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Made me think of Ascendance Of A Bookworm for some reason lol

  • @Turtlemanclips
    @Turtlemanclips 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4117

    You can tell this is his passion he just ate 7 different trees and got like all of them right insane

    • @Starlitsoul0359
      @Starlitsoul0359 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +180

      After working with them for so long I'm not to surprised he got em all right on! Even if he swapped two of em he was still well on the right track.
      This man knows his woods.

    • @RT-qd8yl
      @RT-qd8yl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm guessing he's somewhat familiar with wood in his mouth

    • @Goodbye_Eri
      @Goodbye_Eri 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

      He just eat sawdust regularly

    • @yoggy5224
      @yoggy5224 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      He inhales sawdust on a regular basis

    • @StrangeScaryNewEngland
      @StrangeScaryNewEngland 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      When you work with wood like he does (I also make walking sticks), you can actually smell and sometimes taste each type of wood just from sanding it and even de-barking it. They also all have a unique feeling to them under the bark.

  • @luxxlillian
    @luxxlillian 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1125

    Sawdust has also historically been used by the people to extend their flour in times of hardship. My great grandmother did it during the great depression to keep her kids full. Yes it tastes awful and has no nutrition, but it does make you feel full, and allows you to use that same bag of flour for longer. She even thickened soups with a flour /sawdust mixture.

    • @OrangeJews1138
      @OrangeJews1138 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +123

      my grandmother ate sawdust bread (and bread made with carpenter’s glue) in the Siege of Leningrad. the daily ration was like 125 grams or so per person. this was pretty enlightening to watch.

    • @RelativelyBest
      @RelativelyBest 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +108

      A preferable method was mixing the flour with the dried and roasted phloem from the inside of tree bark. Unlike sawdust, it's actually somewhat nutritious. It was mainly used for bread but was also mixed into porridge or gruel, and supposedly adds a strong bitter flavor. The practice is at least three thousands years old, though likely older.

    • @firmak2
      @firmak2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      @@OrangeJews1138 read how people ate leather too. Tough times.

    • @Garnsta
      @Garnsta 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Yeah, was about to comment the same thing. Was very common in Finland too during war times. There is actually stories about eating the bark of the tree, as the texture resembled the local type of popular rye bread. This bread is baked for a long time in low temperatures which makes it really tough to chew on. But the bread is very healthy and tastes great, where the bark was said to cause internal bleeding :'I

    • @KyllingThyme
      @KyllingThyme 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      That's just asking for internal bleeding.

  • @kristym7149
    @kristym7149 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +271

    I love how the clue counter was just anything he said. I particularly found "ooughgh" to be a helpful clue

    • @deathgun3110
      @deathgun3110 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Nah, I think "🧘‍♂️" was the most cluefull Thing anyone could have said.

  • @TheyCallMePhinq
    @TheyCallMePhinq 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3262

    when William Osman made sawdust rice crispies I didn't question it.
    This, however, is out of left field. love it. A+. no notes.

    • @erenfelix5529
      @erenfelix5529 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

      I can't say I expected this one. However, I can't say it surprised me all that much

    • @P-nk-m-na
      @P-nk-m-na 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ​@@erenfelix5529 i didnt think it would happen, but when it did, it made. too much sense

    • @b-jaybongartz3444
      @b-jaybongartz3444 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same

    • @livewellwitheds6885
      @livewellwitheds6885 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      they need to collaborate on another sawdust cooking video

    • @Dr.Funk8864
      @Dr.Funk8864 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Well yeah William osman is clinically insane

  • @christineg8151
    @christineg8151 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2066

    I wonder how noticeable the sawdust would have been in a whole-grain bread.

    • @imacanoli897
      @imacanoli897 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +385

      Fun fact: look at the ingredients lists on foods you normally eat. "Microcellulose" is sawdust. Just really fine.

    • @P-nk-m-na
      @P-nk-m-na 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

      i mean it cant be the whole grain if it's sawdust, you couldnt see the patterns

    • @botarakutabi1199
      @botarakutabi1199 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +118

      @@imacanoli897 powdered cellulose is onother I've seen. Seen it on that dry shaky parmesean cheese.

    • @thebbie-phams
      @thebbie-phams 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@P-nk-m-na We use wood chips!

    • @YoureSoVane
      @YoureSoVane 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@P-nk-m-na Boo lol

  • @Dololondondon
    @Dololondondon 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +302

    Seller: This is our mahogany table, one of our best
    Justin: *bites off a chunk of the table* thats not mahogany, its red cedar!

    • @partyponyz1239
      @partyponyz1239 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Is it weird that I kind of want to try red cedar sawdust bread now?

    • @Dacien322
      @Dacien322 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, not at all lmao​@@partyponyz1239

    • @dragonmaster909
      @dragonmaster909 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      >Tom cat unsettled face

  • @Nmethyltransferase
    @Nmethyltransferase 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +476

    Justin's Child: "Daddy, can we have bamboo flour?"
    Justin: "We have tree-based flour substitute at home, sweetheart."
    Tree-based flour substitute at home: literal, actual sawdust.

    • @AztecCroc
      @AztecCroc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Bamboo is a grass, not a tree.

    • @thesaucylorax
      @thesaucylorax 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AztecCrocPalm is also a grass but no one calls it that. Stop being a 🤓

    • @codyhubert6178
      @codyhubert6178 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@AztecCrocAnd wheat is also grass, so bamboo flour is probably much closer to wheat flour than sawdust is

    • @AztecCroc
      @AztecCroc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@codyhubert6178 Regular flour is made of the seeds. Bamboo flour is made of the stalks of bamboo sprouts.

    • @beanboy8944
      @beanboy8944 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@AztecCroc people really do be arguing over anything, huh

  • @achimhaun2726
    @achimhaun2726 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1522

    In the victorian period it was mainly plaster of Paris that was used to absorb more water, make the bread a lot denser and, most importantly, very white as that was what the market wanted. Everyone was in on this, from the miller who sold the flower already spiked with plaster, to the bakers who would add even more themselves

    • @julietardos5044
      @julietardos5044 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +134

      Wow, just like selling cocaine!

    • @infernaldaedra
      @infernaldaedra 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And they still added sawdust and bleached the bread. And guess what British people still act like they have the best food practice on earth and those MFS went from eating sawdust and plaster to beans on toast 😂. American Continentals actually eat food compared to the rest of the world 😂

    • @mattrinne
      @mattrinne 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +211

      I'm sure that didn't mess with folks' bowels at all!

    • @leopriest133
      @leopriest133 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +223

      ​@mattrinne alot of people died from bowel blockages due to it!

    • @Liminal.Headspace
      @Liminal.Headspace 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

      ​@@mattrinneWhat's scary is that's only been a couple of months since I've heard on TV about a bakery that actually cut flour with plaster. So the practice isn't gone it seems. And trust me, even with the war in Ukraine, grain is still pretty cheap in my country.
      EDIT: F autocorrect

  • @martenmaarten
    @martenmaarten 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2304

    im calling it justin, this one might just be the perfect level of absurd yet intriguing to become your first 1m views video

    • @Justinthetrees
      @Justinthetrees  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

      👀

    • @davidfalterman8713
      @davidfalterman8713 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Actually agree with this take 💯

    • @TheSparkyman215
      @TheSparkyman215 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      +1, I just got recommended this, but probably because of the William Osman video doing something similar

    • @mastermakerhacker
      @mastermakerhacker 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@Justinthetrees I will say I've never seen your channel before and I was just recommended this today so clearly the algorithm is picking up on it

    • @eddboy6063
      @eddboy6063 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Too bad it wasnt his idea

  • @maly_dinosaurik
    @maly_dinosaurik 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +557

    this reminded me of videos about finnish pettuleipä - bark bread. In the past when flour was scarce they sometimes streched it by adding dried ground and roasted phloem (inner bark) of pine trees. You can now buy pine flour and add small amounts to baking for that piny woody flavour. Inner bark of pine trees contains a lot of nutrients (mainly vitamin C) so it has some nutritional value after all.

    • @nitebreak
      @nitebreak 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      that’s really clever

    • @chintz7428
      @chintz7428 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Pine needle tea has a surprisingly pleasant taste

    • @captain_red_beard4202
      @captain_red_beard4202 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks for the info, I'm going to try out that pine flour!

    • @RelativelyBest
      @RelativelyBest 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      It was actually a common thing in all of northern Europe, at least for poorer folk and especially if they were at risk of a famine. Pine was the most common tree used, but in a particular county in Norway they almost drove linden trees extinct because of it.

    • @baph0met
      @baph0met 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I remember eating young living pine needles off trees as a kid, nice sour flavour, as you say vitamin C. Adding this taste to bread sounds yummy.
      And also, ahoj.

  • @poptartpoltergeist9765
    @poptartpoltergeist9765 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    The fact you muted your chewing…
    Thank you!
    Thank you so much!
    You’re my favorite

    • @appa609
      @appa609 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      weak

    • @Dacien322
      @Dacien322 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@appa609mukbang enjoyer 𓁹𓂏𓁹

    • @dnaroseandthewolves
      @dnaroseandthewolves 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@@appa609you chew with your mouth open don't you

    • @wingedknight0047
      @wingedknight0047 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@dnaroseandthewolves probably like a true mouth breather

  • @avarae225
    @avarae225 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +695

    The “mouth noises muted for your sanity” was just chefs kiss (-from a person with crippling misophonia)

    • @thegroundhoghedgehog16
      @thegroundhoghedgehog16 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Womp Womp

    • @teehee2108
      @teehee2108 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      same lmao, it's always great when ppl mute grating noises lmao

    • @julianstella7756
      @julianstella7756 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@thegroundhoghedgehog16 more like the came out of the underground hedgehog

    • @JenIsHungry
      @JenIsHungry 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      As a person who likes asmr, I was a bit bummed 😂

    • @Toastybees
      @Toastybees 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A terribly crippling condition that is not recognized as an actual condition and is at most an indicator that you either have trouble managing your emotional responses or are on the autism spectrum.

  • @TylerDollarhide
    @TylerDollarhide 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +444

    Not gonna lie, seeing the difference types of sawdust piles makes it look like tasty spices.

    • @StrangeScaryNewEngland
      @StrangeScaryNewEngland 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SimonWoodburyForget I bet you that almost nobody knows that or even questions where it comes from, despite the fact that it's in pretty much everything from baked goods to candy.

    • @StrangeScaryNewEngland
      @StrangeScaryNewEngland 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@SimonWoodburyForget There was a study or poll done I'd say a decade ago, give or take, where the majority of people from the U.S. thought that chocolate milk quite literally came out like that from brown cows. And these were adults being asked.

    • @AztecCroc
      @AztecCroc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@SimonWoodburyForget Cinnamon is bark, not the internal wood though. Far more barks are edible than actual woods.

    • @OsirusHandle
      @OsirusHandle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​was 7% but thats 7% too many. thing is some people get confused by the question, eg. if its worded "where does chocolate milk come from" and an answer is "brown cows" they might think, "oh yeah milk comes from cows, i guess they add the chocolate later so yeah, a cow. cows are brown right?" ​@@StrangeScaryNewEngland

  • @CreepSoldier
    @CreepSoldier 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Now I imagined an alternate reality where rich people eat bread made with sawdust from rare or endangered species of trees

  • @quiietriot
    @quiietriot 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +325

    Just a normal Friday night, watching a man eat 6 different types of sawdust.

    • @alisongeorge3089
      @alisongeorge3089 หลายเดือนก่อน

      7 if you count the quantity tests

  • @rephaelreyes8552
    @rephaelreyes8552 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +504

    No one expects pine to be so pleasant. I’ve been wanting to make a pine cake by boiling pine needles and making syrup out of the pine tea. Substitute sugar from a cake recipe with that syrup and call it a pine cake
    Edit: I've just watched the pine cone cake video. I wish I could find reachable green pine cones in my neighborhood. I think making a syrup out of pine cones is a better idea.

    • @Justinthetrees
      @Justinthetrees  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +139

      I baked a pine cake in a previous episode!

    • @rephaelreyes8552
      @rephaelreyes8552 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      @@Justinthetrees I've just watched the video! I'm glad it worked well (also I kind of wished more bakeries did flavor experimentation)

    • @rlt9492
      @rlt9492 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      You should take toasted Mountain Mahogany sawdust, steep it in water, strain, and then add that to the flour.

    • @loganmontgomery1955
      @loganmontgomery1955 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I really want to make a pine soda but everyone thinks it’s gross😂

    • @Mataclysm
      @Mataclysm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@loganmontgomery1955 Try spruce!

  • @jeremyproctor5249
    @jeremyproctor5249 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    This gives a whole new meaning to wood grain. If it is ever marketed, I recommend the name Beaver Bread.

    • @cgguto
      @cgguto หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's low-key genius

    • @WaffleAbuser
      @WaffleAbuser หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love eating some beaver

  • @HaveYouHeardOfManedWolves
    @HaveYouHeardOfManedWolves 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    To be fair, many popular recipes feature powdered bark from trees in the genus Cinnamomum, so wood dust in bread isn't unheard of

  • @valliemcc8352
    @valliemcc8352 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +685

    "Mouth noises muted for your sanity" literally thank you

    • @kyucumbear
      @kyucumbear 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      *please* stop using "literally" this way

    • @kawaiidere1023
      @kawaiidere1023 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kyucumbearI agree. It’s sarcasm, why would anyone use literally there?

    • @valliemcc8352
      @valliemcc8352 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      i'm being genuine here, so i think it's fine

    • @salamantics
      @salamantics 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      @@kyucumbearargue with the dictionary since they added literally to also mean figuratively. Meaning that every time you argue about this it’s a losing battle. Secondly, they’re using the actual definition of literally. The real complaint you could make is it was unnecessary, but dictionary wise it’s still a fine use of the word.

    • @elsiestormont1366
      @elsiestormont1366 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agree. Thank you.

  • @StuffandThings_
    @StuffandThings_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +576

    Fun fact, Jacaratia spinosa has edible wood. However, this is more of a novelty. What isn't a novelty is cycad wood (from various species and genus'), which was traditionally fermented into bread in parts of Africa and turned into a cooking ingredient in the Pacific. Its only kinda sorta wood (its a so called "cambial variant," which means its structure is pretty unusual compared to the wood most plants make) but good enough for me. Also in Scandinavia "bark bread" is a traditional food, using the inner layer of the bark.
    Honestly some of these might be worth trying, Jacaratia will be hard to come by and cycads contain a poison which must be processed out correctly, but hey I mean it would be cool, perfect for this series of eating trees!

    • @chrismichaelyoung
      @chrismichaelyoung 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      Interesting things about all these trees and their foods;
      The Yacaratia tree (as the species is called in Argentina) has wood that it made of less than 10% cellulose, making it safe for consumption on its own. It's usually soaked in honey or syrup, then served as a delicacy in Argentinian restaurants. It also grows very fast.
      African cycad trees, also called "broodboom" or literally "bread tree", are all endangered from being used in traditional medicine or taken by collectors, therefore it is illegal to export commercially. The bread is made with the pith of the tree that is found in the center of the trunk. Traditionally, the pith was removed, wrapped in animal hide, and buried to ferment before kneading into dough. As for the poison, it's only present in the seeds inside the cones.
      Scandinavian bark bread was made in the medieval period but mostly is known for being made in times of famine. Pine bark would be stripped of its inner layer, then that would be dried, ground up, and added to the flour. This is the only part of the tree's wood that isn't made of cellulose, and should be digestible by humans, but it doesn't carry any nutritional value. Famine bread was also made with grainless husks and bone ash, and moss and lichen were eaten as cakes.

    • @hristohristov2882
      @hristohristov2882 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      based effort poster@@chrismichaelyoung

    • @lindholmaren
      @lindholmaren 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Bark bread isn't so bad (atleast adding small amounts) but I don't think it was so much a tradition/culinary choice as a necessity lol
      People here were down atrocious at some points in time, so much so that they used them as subjects for a study on epigenetics and how famines immediately impact heritable traits xd
      But yeah it would be cool comparing just whole grain to part bark

    • @jessicadragonare7993
      @jessicadragonare7993 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I read "cambial variant" as cannibal variant.

    • @wombatillo
      @wombatillo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      "Bark bread" actually has no bark in it but the cambium layer under the bark and on top of the wood.

  • @SteffDev
    @SteffDev 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    I love the descriptions on the left slowly getting more and more unhinged!
    "do not want to put in mouth" 😂

    • @MarsRisingMarlene
      @MarsRisingMarlene 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unhinged means to be mentally unstable, not random 🙃

  • @greengrain64
    @greengrain64 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    A beaver came up with this idea

  • @dascoug
    @dascoug 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +360

    Come for the State Tree Maps, stay for the poisonous sawdust bread

    • @user-su5uf5yv1w
      @user-su5uf5yv1w 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes maybe manchineel tree?

  • @jackhazardous4008
    @jackhazardous4008 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +189

    Thank you for helping save my bakery. We have been running on hard times lately, and can barely afford the flour these days but I think we might see some time in the green now. Thank you so much.

    • @akaony
      @akaony 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Lmao

    • @nesyboi9421
      @nesyboi9421 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Just make sure you use cedar apparently, lol

  • @IQzminus2
    @IQzminus2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    As a Swede and I know atleast Finland and Norway has it aswell, there is an old and through different periods of times really widespread and common tradition of bark bread.
    So no sawdust but instead using the inner layer of bark and turning it into a powder from I believe mainly european red pine, but also birch and other local trees.
    For when times were bad or a harvest really bad.
    In Swedish it’s called “barkbröd”.

    • @bjornlangoren3002
      @bjornlangoren3002 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It was common fare in Norway during WW2.

  • @DissonanceEngineer
    @DissonanceEngineer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    "mouth noises muted for your sanity"
    Thank you man. I'm not even a quarter way through and I'm leaving a like just for that already

  • @lospagnolofalso
    @lospagnolofalso 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

    Oh no... Justin, I didn't think *this* was going to be the first video of 2024! What a choice... what commitment to trees!

  • @izzzicm
    @izzzicm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    Nothing funnier than getting a Master Class ad for baking bread before this video plays.

    • @nicholasneyhart396
      @nicholasneyhart396 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I was getting an ad for local lumberyards in Austria, I do speak German, but I am American.

    • @izzzicm
      @izzzicm 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@nicholasneyhart396 aw that’s so nice of TH-cam to tell you where you can source sawdust for your own bread experiments

  • @Dindonmasker
    @Dindonmasker 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Now we need the poop review for each tree XD

  • @purelaziness7095
    @purelaziness7095 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Thanks homie for making my day better! Past few months I've been super depressed & this was a light in the darkness. I'm a lurker not a commenter but this video was so perfect I couldn't just leave without doing something - we need the algorithm gods to recommend this to more people! Spread the good sawdust word! :D

  • @grummdoesstuff2983
    @grummdoesstuff2983 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    “Workshop floor taste test” was not a video I expected to ever see, but I’m happy I did. Also nice to have an appearance from Mrs Thetrees

  • @shadibavar5312
    @shadibavar5312 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

    Now there are two top quality videos on TH-cam about adding sawdust to food (the other being rice crispies). Thanks for your contribution to the academic body of research, Justin 😆

  • @johnmahoney5805
    @johnmahoney5805 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I woodn't eat that if I were you

  • @anicasey9868
    @anicasey9868 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It’s rare you see such niche expertise intersecting. So happy I could experience this. I’ve always wondered what the Victorians were ACTUALLY experiencing with their bread and you made it a luxury sawdust bread tasting experience (with tannins to match)

  • @Jacob-yg7lz
    @Jacob-yg7lz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    Well you've got your recommended dietary fiber

    • @redwitch12
      @redwitch12 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      And also his un-recommended dietary fiber

  • @katesanders4786
    @katesanders4786 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +178

    This was a wonderful idea

    • @Justinthetrees
      @Justinthetrees  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

      I THOUGHT THAT ONCE TOO

    • @d4r4butler74
      @d4r4butler74 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Justinthetrees I can see why you would want to try out Black Walnut, but since the tree poisons the ground around it so it doesn't have to share resources, I don't think I would have tried this particular species.
      I wonder if one of the really flowery sweet trees would have been better (wait, different, looking for different), like a Lilac or maybe Juniper?
      But the Box is a lovely looking thing that needed the Black Walnut to be it's base, so Black Walnut was tried. The box is really nice... and I can not imagine it without the Black Walnut. Next time just use the Black Walnut as a 'frame' for the other woods?

    • @tennenyt5311
      @tennenyt5311 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It was William Osman's idea for the record but also I don't think he would care it just bugs me a little lol

    • @timcowley4646
      @timcowley4646 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@d4r4butler74yeah I was looking to see if anyone else caught that. The wood of black walnut is poisonous to humans, which is probably why it tastes so awful.

    • @turtleboi456
      @turtleboi456 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🌼

  • @wanderinggstars
    @wanderinggstars 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    new to the channel and really excited to watch your videos. i like how you included the wood carving process and the mini history lesson amongst the chaos of eating weird food.

  • @Hulayyy
    @Hulayyy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the editing in this one! The dot points while taste testing are just hilarious 😂

  • @TylerDollarhide
    @TylerDollarhide 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    I've finally started getting into woodturning thanks to you. I only make about $250 a week, but I've been saving up for the 14" lathe, and been buying the rest of the supplies as the paychecks come in. It only took me 1 try to actually make a halfway decent bowl. It's definitely a good investment.

    • @matthewfrancis7157
      @matthewfrancis7157 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Start selling sawdust laced bread to up your profit margin and go 0 waste

  • @karlilinschoten2485
    @karlilinschoten2485 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    The dedication! I’m dying at the cut to “a fun idea”

  • @wojtekpolska1013
    @wojtekpolska1013 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    fun fact - i've read that miniscule amounts of sawdust are sometimes added to swiss cheese, because as food standards improve and the milk used in production of the cheese is almost 100% pure/clean, the air that is released during fermentation inside the cheese, and which normally is the reason for the holes in swiss cheese, just escapes because its unable to set on any particles.
    back in the day when milk wasnt so clean, the random particles inside the milk would "catch" the released air forming air bubbles which would be the holes in the cheese. now that modern milk doesnt have these particles, they add them manually by adding tiny amounts of stuff like sawdust, to make the holes appear again

    • @Marc83Aus
      @Marc83Aus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its straw dust, the missing ingredient for starting the bubbles.

  • @Indiskret1
    @Indiskret1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is why I'm addicted to TH-cam. You can find just about anything on here, and this one was extra special. Thanks a lot for taking one for the team in the name of science and all the starving families over the world.

  • @Magikarp_king
    @Magikarp_king 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    You should look up the more recent FDA case about acceptable saw dust levels in grated Parmesan.

    • @kriscook7035
      @kriscook7035 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You said what???😂😂😂😂

    • @obsidianjane4413
      @obsidianjane4413 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      ... and bugs, and feces, and...

    • @TheGrinningViking
      @TheGrinningViking 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Cellulose powder is extracted from sawdust, so there's bound to be some in there.
      Some might say it is just processed sawdust but people get pedantic and say cellulose powder can come from sources (that aren't the cheapest source available, in capitalism)

  • @GirishManjunathMusic
    @GirishManjunathMusic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +205

    now I'm wondering if you could cedar-smoke butter and make a cedar brioche to get that sweet sweet cedar scent without having to rip and tear at your GIT.

    • @danielleanderson6371
      @danielleanderson6371 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Or just smoke the butter (or whatever fatty spread you're into) and smear that on the toasted bread of your choosing. I could see that working well on an English muffin, maybe next to or beneath a ham steak. Heck I bet if you melted it on pancakes with a really good maple syrup drizzled over top you'd be onto something. Or you could bake it into some shortbread cookies to kind of mimic the rosemary shortbread cookie recipe Chef John has. If you wanted to be really cruel to your friends you could even make brownies with it and tell them it was THC butter; they may or may not notice. Lots of fun directions to take this idea. I do have to wonder if this kind of application would trigger the allergies of those sensitive to cedar pollen, though.

    • @april_
      @april_ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I think you’re onto something here because I wish I could eat cedar

    • @erickleinwolterink3524
      @erickleinwolterink3524 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That sounds good to me! Smokey flavor is great and cedar smells amazing

    • @spankyjeffro5320
      @spankyjeffro5320 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No.

  • @tomfoti2
    @tomfoti2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what a cool idea for a video, I love that i was originally looking for videos on how to bake a dough in a crock pot and now im watching this guy use sawdust in his dough.

  • @sosukelele
    @sosukelele 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Man I love this. Being subscribed, having watched William Osman's video on the subject, and having dabbled in dubious baking, I can't imagine why I wasn't recommended this sooner.

  • @vincepopo7497
    @vincepopo7497 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    I just watched you willingly eat sawdust, and comment on it seriously. This is just hilarious in the best possible way, you’re awesome, this is going to be good.

  • @MoonLitChild
    @MoonLitChild 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    This was fantasically unhinged and so enjoyable-- like How To Drink but with bread. Honestly this just makes me want to see a collab where you give Greg from @HowToDrink different tree-derived ingredients (especially the syrups) to use in different drinks. He has one of the most amazing palates of anyone I've ever seen, and it would be great to see what he could cook up with what you give him.

    • @Solutad
      @Solutad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That would be truly incredible.

    • @ashrowan2143
      @ashrowan2143 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Syrups and woodchips for smoking because Greg has done a few videos where he does a smoked drink which is an absolutely wild concept

    • @MoonLitChild
      @MoonLitChild 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ashrowan2143 exactly what I was thinking!

  • @crayder1100
    @crayder1100 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Phenomenally done. Watching every last second to the end for that entire view and commenting. Great video. Well orchestrated.

  • @eugeniobonello418
    @eugeniobonello418 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a fantastic idea for a video and well executed to boot! Never heard of you before, but I’m definitely subbed now. Excited to see some word working.

  • @mustardsfire22
    @mustardsfire22 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    You know it's funny. The bread tasting notes list reminded me a lot of How to Drink's style and it made me realize you guys look like you could be brothers.

    • @ashrowan2143
      @ashrowan2143 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They are really similiar tasting notes style, take what was said and remembered from the tating and turn it just a little left into absurdism

    • @kirkbupkis
      @kirkbupkis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Reminded me of Brutalmoose but maybe Ian got it from How to Drink too

  • @ains3848
    @ains3848 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    I love the editing on this, it’s so hilarious to me and so aesthetic

  • @alyssataylor2338
    @alyssataylor2338 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is unhinged and delightful. I hope your channel gets all the attention, views, and subscribers it very much deserves.

  • @DavidTheBrain_
    @DavidTheBrain_ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    First video ive seen of this channel and it kept me hooked the whole way through, awesome video!

  • @Kekspere
    @Kekspere 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Thanks for the interesting video! There is a historic way of making bread from rye and the phloem from scotch pine in Finland, its called pettu bread. I haven’t tasted it myself, it was really mostly made when people were starving, but apparently the phloem is more palettable than regular sawdust!

  • @danielsundin3669
    @danielsundin3669 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    If you want to try a variant of this you can make bark bread, a scandinavian tradition often made during famine. Here's a link to the english wiki page: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bark_bread

    • @mustardsfire22
      @mustardsfire22 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Commenting to bring this up the ranks!

  • @gae_wead_dad_6914
    @gae_wead_dad_6914 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Crunching noise muted for your sanity"
    Jokes on you - i'm in to that shit

  • @junethekornfan
    @junethekornfan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    glad to announce i was the 10,000th like on this video - and it’s ridiculously fun to watch lmao this is my first video of this channel and i love it already

  • @rojopantalones9791
    @rojopantalones9791 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Loved the video, but I immediately thought "breadbox" for the woodworking portion lol.
    Also, just looked it up, and when you said that the oak tasted like a toxic kind of bitter, you'd be correct. The tannins in the wood can cause damage to the respiratory and GI tracts, along with the kidneys. Obviously, the respiratory system damage would be from inhaling it, but you definitely shouldn't eat it. It clicked in my head when I remembered that oak is one of the tree species that you shouldn't harvest Chicken of the Woods from, as it can pick up some of those toxins and incorporate them into its fruiting body.

    • @OsirusHandle
      @OsirusHandle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you can eat small amounts of tannins just... yknow

  • @milliesnyder7548
    @milliesnyder7548 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    I feel like this is something Chef Josh from Mythical Kitchen would be into

  • @hartleyabdekalimi5163
    @hartleyabdekalimi5163 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Glad you dug into the history of shady flour stretchers. My great grandparents lost children after they ate bread with shady additives during a famine in 1917-1919. Definitely glad that kind of thing is rarer these days--and that you didn't eat too much sawdust.

  • @lzenl-kun
    @lzenl-kun 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The editing is so calm yet kinda funny idk why but gj :)

  • @custos3249
    @custos3249 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    You're right about particle size. While an interesting start, you should redo this with what's commonly called "wood flour" because it's literally just as fine.
    Though it should be said, many foods contain cellulose without issue, including your control bread as well as all fresh vegetables, as it's a main component of plant cell walls. In food science, it's commonly added to some foods as an anti-caking agent, such as with pre-shredded cheese. But obviously cellulose is a refined product that's ultimately a complex sugar we can't digest, where as wood flour will contain all the other constituent parts.

  • @theeyeofsauron6589
    @theeyeofsauron6589 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    This guy knows his sawdust. Love the content, keep it coming!

  • @Localcatgirl_
    @Localcatgirl_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the tree-eating community because of videos like this

  • @amberbydreamsart5467
    @amberbydreamsart5467 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    The most thorough sawdust-eating video I've seen, hats off. You're making me curious about getting cedar flavor into bread without actual sawdust now...

  • @WobblesandBean
    @WobblesandBean 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

    You actually muted your mouth sounds. THIS IS WHY YOU'RE THE BEST CHANNEL

    • @ChildDevourer83
      @ChildDevourer83 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Do people have problems with eating sounds? I’ve seen multiple people saying things like what you said

    • @meqomi
      @meqomi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@ChildDevourer83 indeed, its called misophonia

    • @ieuanhunt552
      @ieuanhunt552 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@ChildDevourer83 i absolutely cannot stand it. Slso pretty much all ASMR stuff makes me really uncomfortable

  • @beatnik6806
    @beatnik6806 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a great idea for a video this was. Thanks! I've always wondered what did those breads taste when I read like 15 years ago about people putting sawdust in them.

  • @friedawuzhere
    @friedawuzhere 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Wow, you edited out the mouth noises, as well as gagging noises? I didn't know I needed that exactly, but it's considerate as fuck. Honestly thanks

  • @CiCis_Mom
    @CiCis_Mom 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    Kind of concerned about the aftereffects. Hopefully you're not poisoned or 'passing logs'. Great episode in spite of my concerns ;) Good luck!

  • @wdfinbllngsly
    @wdfinbllngsly 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Thank you for muting the eating noises!! I have misophonia so it means a lot!

  • @ukandupaul3805
    @ukandupaul3805 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The fact that you actually tried this out by yourself is awesome
    Best example of self-experimentation I've seen

  • @kerstinberg6217
    @kerstinberg6217 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was the most interesting and amusing video I have seen in a while. A big plus is the nice woodworking, I love this multiple wood box! 🙂

  • @efu707
    @efu707 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    the "smells like teen spirit" part of the summary made me chuckle way more than it should've. thank you for suffering for our entertainment. we love you Justin.

  • @resurgam_b7
    @resurgam_b7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I love the little text commentary on the side 😆 Thank you for torturing yourself for our enjoyment 😂

  • @kitkatcatlynn7991
    @kitkatcatlynn7991 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    omg you have no idea how much I appreciate the muting of mouth noises
    thank you so much for that!

  • @BeatInMySkull
    @BeatInMySkull 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video is more entertaining than MatPat's "Eating a Christmas Tree" video

  • @kiwibug07
    @kiwibug07 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    That proud little smirk when the box was complete, it always feels like such an accomplishment when your idea comes together and turns out so cool and fun! Love this.

  • @CalebCalixFernandez
    @CalebCalixFernandez 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    This helps to show that when wellness idiots say that cellulose added to food products is sawdust or wood pulp they don't know what they're talking about.😊

    • @infernaldaedra
      @infernaldaedra 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Pure cellulose is a polymer that can't be broken down. The cellulose you find in food products is actually bioavailable

    • @WobblesandBean
      @WobblesandBean 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      ​@@infernaldaedra Hi, biologist here. That's incorrect, cellulose is not digestible by humans at all. That's why it's fiber. You might be getting confused because there is a thing called _soluble fiber,_ but it's still not digestible, it just means it will dissolve in water, whereas insoluble fiber does not.

    • @kasooi
      @kasooi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@WobblesandBeanWell hey to counterpoint your argument since I did my degree in chem one of our analytical chem projects was actually researching the hydrolysis of cellulose chains. You will see noticeable decomposition of cellulose starting after 24hrs in water and bacteria will drastically speed things up. It's not fast but actually if the bread was left to ferment the acidic conditions created via fermentation plus the bacterial ROS (radical oxygen species) reactions would exponentially increase over time thus possibly creating better bread over time. But in this video he didn't ferment it long enough so we'll never know!

    • @MadameCorgi
      @MadameCorgi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@WobblesandBeanbacteria in the gut may be able to digest it into starch and glucose

  • @StrangeScaryNewEngland
    @StrangeScaryNewEngland 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is the first video of yours that I've seen. Thank you for sanding your tongue in the name of food science. New subscriber, here!

  • @ST0PM0SS
    @ST0PM0SS 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    what i learned is that cutting flour with sawdust is not only profitable but also desirable and increases the flavor

  • @cinnamonkittamon
    @cinnamonkittamon 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Reminds me of that one William Osman video about rice krispy treats :)
    Really like how ya tried those different species of wood in it, and honestly makes me want to find sources of super fine cedar and pine sawdust and put half and half of each of them with how you made the bread in this :D

  • @senorevanlopp
    @senorevanlopp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    When Justin uploads you just know it’s gonna be a great day 😁

  • @maryrosekrouse4089
    @maryrosekrouse4089 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Came for the silly wood-eating, stayed for the lovely wood art!!

  • @SariEverna
    @SariEverna 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely cursed in the best possible way. A+ content. Completely unhinged, but done methodically enough that it becomes hinged again. Rehinged? Yeah, rehinged. I'd say I don't know exactly why this was recommended to me given I dont think I've encountered you before, except yes I do, it's my love for methodical madness.

  • @arc4705
    @arc4705 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    This is the dumbest thing for me to be hype about but thank you for muting the chewing sounds 😭😭 I often have to grit my teeth, mute videos myself, waste time forwarding/rewinding, or close videos due to excessive chewing/drinking sounds, and for sure I would not have enjoyed those sounds if you left them in... But I'm glad you didn't just cut it cuz seeing it happen is fine and even helpful for the context of your reaction!! Personally I think hearing the first crunch is fine as well and helps me know the quality of the bread, but muting the rest of the chewing without doing an unnecessary jump cut made it a more immersive and satisfying watching experience! ...I mean I ruined the immersion to comment, but I digress 👁️👁️ thank you for the consideration!!

  • @la_gobba_di_aigor
    @la_gobba_di_aigor 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Completely unrelated, but that snow shot was everything I needed for this winter. It used to snow every year here when I was little, now, due to climate change, it never snows and the winter is always more and more gray and sad, didn't think that would've even been possible.
    Thanks for the nice snow shot man!

  • @S-G-zm3uu
    @S-G-zm3uu 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is like my two favorite things to watch on youtube combined this is awesome

  • @pleaserespond3984
    @pleaserespond3984 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Justin, sitting blindfolded, eating bread with mystery sawdust in it: I am feeling pretty good about myself right now!

  • @paigemarcum5586
    @paigemarcum5586 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I love the "How to Drink" style tasting notes 😂😂😂

    • @BLenz-114
      @BLenz-114 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup!

  • @littlelynx243
    @littlelynx243 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    The captions in the tasting session are absolutely sending me

  • @cakekookabura
    @cakekookabura 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Reminds me of the sawdust rice krispy treats William Osman made a while back. This was fun and informative, thanks for putting yourself through it

  • @Nmethyltransferase
    @Nmethyltransferase 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TH-cam: "Can I taste the difference between six different "flavors" of sawdust bread?"
    Me: "I don't care."
    TH-cam: "Can I, though?"
    Me: "Ugh... fine!"

  • @hellogoodbye9989
    @hellogoodbye9989 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I love the little notes on the side of the screen lol
    -ohaugh
    -mmmhm
    -mnnhmn
    -nhnhn

  • @biancablaney-thivierge1627
    @biancablaney-thivierge1627 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    So dedicated😂 thanks for this funny and interesting video. Thanks also for editing out the eating noises, nice touch. Beautiful lidded pot!

    • @angelbird7227
      @angelbird7227 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes! I just came to the comments just to say thank you for muting the mouth noises!!!

  • @Alorand
    @Alorand 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    19th century conversation: "Sir, the sawdust you used in the bread was substandard!"

  • @deborah_chrysoprase
    @deborah_chrysoprase 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    good lord what an absolute madlad he actually did it this was amazingly educational

  • @julespitts2729
    @julespitts2729 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I find it funny that this is not the only video I’ve seen of someone trying sawdust bread and different percentage levels of saw to bread. It is the first one to try different types of sawdust though lol