I met Raymond When he came to Morningside H.S back in the early 70s. By himself. He seemed to have a smooth conversation, not aggressive at all towards me.... He was definitely there to draft .
People forget that Mr.Lavender KNEW OG Raymond Washington personally as children. He knew the folks so he can speak on the good and the bad of men he talking bout smh. This is an OG, and he got the right to speak on things.
Ron Karenga was most definitely an FBI informant. The last time that I saw him was in Long Beach around 2005. He was a professor at Cal State Long Beach.
A bunch of juvenile delinquents in 1969 started the Crips. This appealed to the teenagers in surrounding communities. It intensified as these kids began going to juvenile detention and jail.
he started one of the largest street gangs from 1969-1972. rarely a gang ever rolled that deep, spanned so wide, and were as aggressive as the original crips the original crips were bold too they robbed whole concerts and mobbed stores etc. made the papers. their notoriety was on a different level aswell
Much respect to both Kev Mac and Jimmy Lavender! I always wondered how anyone can say the Crips started from anything positive when all the stories of their founding was based on beating up and robbing people? Even before the rampant killing, people were still being victimized by the children/teens in there own community
Just read Tookiie book. He explained the mindset of Crips in the beginning of its inception. They were just a bunch of teens running wild with no political agenda. Community Revolution in Progress came later in prison with the inception of some of first crip prison gangs like the blue notes
Bravo far too often in our communities culture no one ever holds any feet to the fire . By not allowing that jacket of righteousness to be draped on something that caused so much death and destruction is not only a brave stance. But an honorable one. GOD BLESS
I remember mister Lavender walking On Bandera with the Bishop and the Elm st Watts …my Cousin Beto and his homeboy Chavo and Kato from Bishop mid 70s some Real OGs
There’s ton of misinformation/exaggerated stories of the story of both Crips and Bloods so it’s always nice to hear different perspectives of his things really played out
The movie bastards of the party tried to make it sound like the crips came from the ashes of the civil rights movement, particularly the US organization and the Panthers. Donald Archie also claims in one of his videos that the crips Were just young guys that wanted to be known for something and basically rebelled against the evil society of the streets. Bacot also mentions in one of his interviews that they went from being the prey to the predators which also is not true. The C.R.I.P acronym didn't come about till the 1970s and that was in regards to gang prevention and I believe Raymond's are in jail at the time that came out (please correct me if I'm wrong)
well the rumour i've heard about the c.r.i.p. acronym and the crips becoming political had something to with rosie grier and his movement. so it's a late 70s thing
@@fila_arthur That's exactly where it came from. That's the infamous "round table". Rosie Grier got some funding from the city for gang prevention. The crips aren't stupid, they played the game, they knew there was some money involved so they played into it and that's exactly where the crip acronym came from.
Awesome interview and history drop big Kev Mac and Mr Jimmy Lavender fasho. Thanks for sharing your point of view on our LA gang history in your era Mr Jimmy Lavender. Peace and blessings Big Kev Mac and Mr Jimmy Lavender
I think we all agree ain’t no 14-15 year old thinkin about anything revolutionary. The founder he was young and tryin to get it Craccin, simple and plain
The youth is ruined at this point... To me it's sad they even use the term gang banging. These 🤡's have no structure, no rules, no leadership, & surely No respect for human life. You'd get violated by your own People's just for asking to do a 1/4 of what they do daily. Keep up the great work!
Jimmy tells his truth in the way I like everybody to tell their truths, without equivocation, even with someone as revered as the great Raymond Washington (RIP). The temptation for most would be to water down what they believe because Raymond is so beloved by so many and for good reason too! Jimmy hasn't (in my opinion) in his KMV interviews when speaking on Mr. Washington, nor did Craig Munson. To me it adds authenticity. Now, whether or not their POV is true to others? Kev always says folk are enttitled to their own opinion, and he's right. Like a brilliant defense attorney once told a jury, "reasonable minds can differ." Under the statute, Is that killing by the defendant manslaughter or self-defense? To the deceased's family, aint no question--look at the facts-- it's a murder, and to the defendant's family, aint' no question--look at the facts--my boy wasn't doing anything but defending himself.
@jshipp5469 There was plenty of individuals in the neighborhood that I didn't get along with, but I didn't hate them. We had to get em up but that was it. By the way, I'm from the same neighborhood as Raymond. He was just a few blocks over.
I never thought Jimmy hated him, because there were people who said he was a bully before turning crip, Jimmy never said anything really bad about Raymond
Jimmy lavender gets a lot of BS because in his first video he stated that Raymond was not a hog that he keeps hearing stories about people claiming Raymond was a hog but in their neighborhood the neighborhood they grew up in Raymond wasn't known as a hog. Now what a coincidence that the crips weren't started in that neighborhood. Raymond started the crips at Bethune Junior high which is nowhere near Watts or the Florence Firestone area. He started the crips with a bunch of younger guys, guys that were at least two years younger than him and in teenage years 2 years is a lot and that's also the reason why a lot of the guys that started the crips with Raymond branched off and started their own gangs. They started these gangs because they matured and grew bigger than Raymond and he didn't have the influence over them that he wants did. To make a long story short Raymond reinvented himself when he got to Bethune Middle School because nobody was there from the old neighborhood. You can get all this information by watching Kevs videos. Jimmy lavender's first video babalouies first videos, All the info's there. They specifically talk about that. Just gotta use a little common sense and understand just a little bit about human behavior. It's not hard.
So, much of what stated was and is, incorrect. There's just too incorrect info there that I don't want to do a couple of paragraphs to decipher. But, first off, Raymond grew up in the Florence area. Secondly, Raymond didn't start the Crips at Bethune Jr.High. Raymond was at Fremont when he started the Crips. Do the math. The Crips didn't start until 1969. Raymond was not a hog in our neighborhood. Raymond was just a ruffian amongst ruffians. There were a whole lot of tough guys in the Florence-Firestone community. A helluva whole lot. Raymond just clicked up with certain individuals who would follow or participate with his agenda. Florence-Firestone was and still is "Hog Heaven." And that's from the Bishops, to the whole ECC, to Florence 13, to the Kitchens, to the Family Swans, to Elm St, to Hickory St, to the Avalons, and etcetera. Raymond was not the biggest nor the baddest in the neighborhood. Raymond did have the charisma the leadership ability to entice others to follow.
pharoah1200 how was raymond not a hog ? He couldn't be just charismatic in those days you had to be cause if not no one would have followed ecc was raymond Washingtons dream a united east crips mr lavender has his point of view even kev mac said it jimmy comes off a bit jelous ,he shows more love towards jimel than raymond n he was not close to jimel like he was with raymond even in his original interview he had facts wrong so history is blurry so take everything with a grain of salt cause it crazy that most og westside and eastside crips hold him in high standards but an enemy which mr lavender was shows a bit of hate towards him you can easily tell . The revolutionary thing is true its hard to believe they were about that but were inspired by their togetherness n power they projected but it was not about protecting the crips were the bullys n raymond did start something that grew to be something bad n destructive but you gotta give respect were its due raymond was the leader like monster kody said the top of cripdom was raymond lee Washington from compton to south central, watts l.a county ,prison his name rings bells A crip not scared and nade older members in prison want to be crips thats crazy but mr lavender is intitled to his opinion as other ogs are too.
@@pharoah1200 Fremont high School, You sure about that? Did you not read AC Moses book? In the fall of 1969 Raymond Washington was 16 years old and a student at Drew Jr. High School Jimmy lavender can prove that with his yearbook.
@@reyerik8240 in the Florence Firestone area, during that time he wasn't considered a hog. Jimmy lavender clearly expresses that. I don't see how that's controversial
Thats true everyone from those days have their point of view n are entitled to it ,so much has been said by different people to some he has just a regular guy to some he was a leader to some he was not a hog to some he was ,some say he hated guns some say he used them too , but a fact is known a 15 to 16 year old kid started something that turned into a monster of a gang with thousands of members n followers wanting to join some knew him from the early age some in his late teens some in adulthood but Raymond Washingtons name still lives on
What’s ironic is Raymond’s brother JAMES was the FIRST Crip and Tookie’s homeboy Lil JAMES was Cuz , like big K Stone said there’s a lot of moving parts that put this thing down that is known as TODAY , Raymond just lit the torch he had NO CLUE , please let him rest 💙 ♿️
Raymond started something but it was too much for one person to control so he had generals. When he went to jail many Gs wanted be their own general so Raymond lost control away & cats like Tookie didn’t have control and that type of leadership so it splintered too much.✅
We were in DEMAND 💸 you had to box 🥊 you had to lift 🏋️♀️ you couldn’t just hang around us you had to be a dog 🐶 make a kitch pay a pimp ask Cutes “ If Took didn’t know you he didn’t have TIME you “ CRIP ♿️
Tomorrow Jimmy will say he puts that label on crips but really the older guys in his neighborhood had been bullying people and attacking brothers that crossed the tracks into watts.
We know what we know from these videos. Fact is none of us were there, but to think anyone is above gettin hands put on them is foolish...any fighter will admit you win some and lose some
@@lilgiz5716 thats true but you talking about a grown ass man hitting a teen lol mosely was born damn near 20 years before raymond was im talking about gang members around his age
Why do people still talk about George Washington or Hitler... Not saying he's like them, but people like to talk. Usually on bad things more than good things.
Aye Blood can y’all start something new since y’all can’t stand the Crips we were in DEMAND ask Cutes everybody wanted a piece of the Crips ain’t nobody talking about no damn Bishops 🤣 ♿️ rip Bobby
can’t mention a crip without a blood but you can mention bloods and not have to mention a crip 😂. Bloods 🩸 made crips. crips wouldn’t even be all that famous if it wasn’t for bloods 🩸👌🏾👌🏾.
Why is this man telling jail hearsay stories but never been, For a man who bang one summer You’d think he was a crip kev interview this man twenty times an he talks about crips more than all the bloods interviews on here combined. Don’t nobody value his opinion but Kev Mac
When one of the last men standing tell a story, and don't make themselves out to be the hero, you know it's the truth.
Mr.Lavender is a very respectful person to never speak bad or hateful towards a person or upon a person's name..love KMV
I met Raymond When he came to Morningside H.S back in the early 70s. By himself. He seemed to have a smooth conversation, not aggressive at all towards me.... He was definitely there to draft .
Big Sinbad need other video from you
@@Mr62ndSt...True That. 😎👍
I can listen to Mr Lavender all day…. He sounds sincere and doesn’t put any extras on it…keep him coming back.
People forget that Mr.Lavender KNEW OG Raymond Washington personally as children. He knew the folks so he can speak on the good and the bad of men he talking bout smh. This is an OG, and he got the right to speak on things.
For sho.
Straight up
Agreed
Ron Karenga was most definitely an FBI informant. The last time that I saw him was in Long Beach around 2005. He was a professor at Cal State Long Beach.
Sir Jimmy Lavender always gives top shelf interviews on KMV💣✊🏾
A bunch of juvenile delinquents in 1969 started the Crips. This appealed to the teenagers in surrounding communities. It intensified as these kids began going to juvenile detention and jail.
Truth!
"Whats Up?... Bishop!"
"Guess who?... Piiiiiiirrrrruuuuu!"
LOVE YOU JIMMY & THANKS FOR TEACHING ME CLEARING THINGS UP FOR ME BIG BRO
Raymond Started A Street Gang
Nothing more, and nothing less.
💯
he started one of the largest street gangs from 1969-1972. rarely a gang ever rolled that deep, spanned so wide, and were as aggressive as the original crips
the original crips were bold too they robbed whole concerts and mobbed stores etc. made the papers. their notoriety was on a different level aswell
Jimmy The Bishop!!! 😎💪🏾 ®️©️
Much respect to both Kev Mac and Jimmy Lavender! I always wondered how anyone can say the Crips started from anything positive when all the stories of their founding was based on beating up and robbing people? Even before the rampant killing, people were still being victimized by the children/teens in there own community
Big brO gives a helluva good interview on history of LA gang origins
Revolutionary 😅set them straight Jimmy.
Facts!
Excellent interview man. Real Talk. The truth can never be denied.
That part.
I love you OOg we love you the Eastside 9deuce Bishops from Memphis
Just read Tookiie book. He explained the mindset of Crips in the beginning of its inception. They were just a bunch of teens running wild with no political agenda. Community Revolution in Progress came later in prison with the inception of some of first crip prison gangs like the blue notes
Bravo far too often in our communities culture no one ever holds any feet to the fire . By not allowing that jacket of righteousness to be draped on something that caused so much death and destruction is not only a brave stance. But an honorable one. GOD BLESS
So much history in our elders-- thank you to Kev Mac for these videos clearing up misconceptions, lies and hearsay.
I remember mister Lavender walking On Bandera with the Bishop and the Elm st Watts …my Cousin Beto and his homeboy Chavo and Kato from Bishop mid 70s some Real OGs
There’s ton of misinformation/exaggerated stories of the story of both Crips and Bloods so it’s always nice to hear different perspectives of his things really played out
Yeah, the myths, fallacies, mis-information, and dis-information are off the charts.
If they were so called revolutionary they would have got down with BGF when they hit the yard
Jimmy always call Kev Cal Mac 😂😂😂😂😂
THANK YOU. I have always thought I was the only one hearing Cal.
WE WERE A PACK OF WILD DOGS ♿️
The movie bastards of the party tried to make it sound like the crips came from the ashes of the civil rights movement, particularly the US organization and the Panthers.
Donald Archie also claims in one of his videos that the crips Were just young guys that wanted to be known for something and basically rebelled against the evil society of the streets. Bacot also mentions in one of his interviews that they went from being the prey to the predators which also is not true.
The C.R.I.P acronym didn't come about till the 1970s and that was in regards to gang prevention and I believe Raymond's are in jail at the time that came out (please correct me if I'm wrong)
& I Said That's A Lie WE Were A Gang The CRIPS
well the rumour i've heard about the c.r.i.p. acronym and the crips becoming political had something to with rosie grier and his movement. so it's a late 70s thing
@@fila_arthur That's exactly where it came from. That's the infamous "round table". Rosie Grier got some funding from the city for gang prevention. The crips aren't stupid, they played the game, they knew there was some money involved so they played into it and that's exactly where the crip acronym came from.
Awesome interview and history drop big Kev Mac and Mr Jimmy Lavender fasho. Thanks for sharing your point of view on our LA gang history in your era Mr Jimmy Lavender. Peace and blessings Big Kev Mac and Mr Jimmy Lavender
When I was about 7 them Beech st Bishops tried to take my only quarter so I ran from that old fool/ bully
I REGRET IT ALL TOO BIG BRO
I think we all agree ain’t no 14-15 year old thinkin about anything revolutionary. The founder he was young and tryin to get it Craccin, simple and plain
True
Jimmy Lavender is a stand up dude!
Love all his interviews ✊🏾
I had family that lived on Beech Street in the now Bishops neighborhood, back in the 1960s. I spent many of days over there then.
The youth is ruined at this point...
To me it's sad they even use the term gang banging. These 🤡's have no structure, no rules, no leadership, & surely No respect for human life.
You'd get violated by your own People's just for asking to do a 1/4 of what they do daily.
Keep up the great work!
I’m tookies book he says that the crips were not formed to be revolutionaries.
Love hearing Jimmy speak
Shout out to Florence-Firestone 👊👊
Salute 🫡 Mr Lavender and Kev Mac good conversation
Awesome!👍🏿
Good work!
Jimmy tells his truth in the way I like everybody to tell their truths, without equivocation, even with someone as revered as the great Raymond Washington (RIP). The temptation for most would be to water down what they believe because Raymond is so beloved by so many and for good reason too! Jimmy hasn't (in my opinion) in his KMV interviews when speaking on Mr. Washington, nor did Craig Munson. To me it adds authenticity. Now, whether or not their POV is true to others? Kev always says folk are enttitled to their own opinion, and he's right. Like a brilliant defense attorney once told a jury, "reasonable minds can differ." Under the statute, Is that killing by the defendant manslaughter or self-defense? To the deceased's family, aint no question--look at the facts-- it's a murder, and to the defendant's family, aint' no question--look at the facts--my boy wasn't doing anything but defending himself.
Jimmies problem is he's dropping gems to boys and not men.
Keep doing your thing Kev. Another solid video 🫡
i am the brother of Eugene Tabu Battle aka Tabu. i live the video. i do have my brothers true life story on Anthens Park Homeboys
They were cribs at first.. So it wasn't no community revolution in progress
Good one..Good point
Exactly. Eastside Cribs= Baby Crips
The Raymond Washington hater thing is kinda spot on
Just because you're anti this or that, doesn't automatically qualify you as a hater.
@@pharoah1200 bit of a reach with that logic
@jshipp5469 There was plenty of individuals in the neighborhood that I didn't get along with, but I didn't hate them. We had to get em up but that was it. By the way, I'm from the same neighborhood as Raymond. He was just a few blocks over.
I never thought Jimmy hated him, because there were people who said he was a bully before turning crip, Jimmy never said anything really bad about Raymond
Jimmy lavender gets a lot of BS because in his first video he stated that Raymond was not a hog that he keeps hearing stories about people claiming Raymond was a hog but in their neighborhood the neighborhood they grew up in Raymond wasn't known as a hog.
Now what a coincidence that the crips weren't started in that neighborhood. Raymond started the crips at Bethune Junior high which is nowhere near Watts or the Florence Firestone area. He started the crips with a bunch of younger guys, guys that were at least two years younger than him and in teenage years 2 years is a lot and that's also the reason why a lot of the guys that started the crips with Raymond branched off and started their own gangs. They started these gangs because they matured and grew bigger than Raymond and he didn't have the influence over them that he wants did. To make a long story short Raymond reinvented himself when he got to Bethune Middle School because nobody was there from the old neighborhood.
You can get all this information by watching Kevs videos. Jimmy lavender's first video babalouies first videos, All the info's there. They specifically talk about that. Just gotta use a little common sense and understand just a little bit about human behavior. It's not hard.
So, much of what stated was and is, incorrect. There's just too incorrect info there that I don't want to do a couple of paragraphs to decipher. But, first off, Raymond grew up in the Florence area. Secondly, Raymond didn't start the Crips at Bethune Jr.High. Raymond was at Fremont when he started the Crips. Do the math. The Crips didn't start until 1969. Raymond was not a hog in our neighborhood. Raymond was just a ruffian amongst ruffians. There were a whole lot of tough guys in the Florence-Firestone community. A helluva whole lot. Raymond just clicked up with certain individuals who would follow or participate with his agenda. Florence-Firestone was and still is "Hog Heaven." And that's from the Bishops, to the whole ECC, to Florence 13, to the Kitchens, to the Family Swans, to Elm St, to Hickory St, to the Avalons, and etcetera. Raymond was not the biggest nor the baddest in the neighborhood. Raymond did have the charisma the leadership ability to entice others to follow.
pharoah1200 how was raymond not a hog ? He couldn't be just charismatic in those days you had to be cause if not no one would have followed ecc was raymond Washingtons dream a united east crips mr lavender has his point of view even kev mac said it jimmy comes off a bit jelous ,he shows more love towards jimel than raymond n he was not close to jimel like he was with raymond even in his original interview he had facts wrong so history is blurry so take everything with a grain of salt cause it crazy that most og westside and eastside crips hold him in high standards but an enemy which mr lavender was shows a bit of hate towards him you can easily tell .
The revolutionary thing is true its hard to believe they were about that but were inspired by their togetherness n power they projected but it was not about protecting the crips were the bullys n raymond did start something that grew to be something bad n destructive but you gotta give respect were its due raymond was the leader like monster kody said the top of cripdom was raymond lee Washington from compton to south central, watts l.a county ,prison his name rings bells
A crip not scared and nade older members in prison want to be crips thats crazy but mr lavender is intitled to his opinion as other ogs are too.
@@pharoah1200 Fremont high School, You sure about that? Did you not read AC Moses book? In the fall of 1969 Raymond Washington was 16 years old and a student at Drew Jr. High School Jimmy lavender can prove that with his yearbook.
@@reyerik8240 in the Florence Firestone area, during that time he wasn't considered a hog. Jimmy lavender clearly expresses that. I don't see how that's controversial
@@pan8a I don't need to read a book. I'm from the neighborhood.
This video is the best
Cool outfit on Jimmy.
That's the problem with ghetto history. There's always too many cooks in the kitchen and everyone wants to outdo each other simply because of ego.
Thats true everyone from those days have their point of view n are entitled to it ,so much has been said by different people to some he has just a regular guy to some he was a leader to some he was not a hog to some he was ,some say he hated guns some say he used them too , but a fact is known a 15 to 16 year old kid started something that turned into a monster of a gang with thousands of members n followers wanting to join some knew him from the early age some in his late teens some in adulthood but Raymond Washingtons name still lives on
Guess What?
i don't get why he being interviewed in front of a green screen kind of odd🤔or am i trippin?
Great
Who was fbi informant he said for black panther couldn’t make out what he said Ryan or ron Karenez or something why I’m askin ?
Ron Karenga the founder of Kwanza. Old news.
@@KevMacVideos good look
If anything the Bloods were created to combat the community against the Crips
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
What’s ironic is Raymond’s brother
JAMES was the FIRST Crip and Tookie’s homeboy Lil JAMES was Cuz , like big K Stone said there’s a lot of moving parts that put this thing down that is known as TODAY , Raymond just lit the torch he had NO CLUE , please let him rest 💙 ♿️
Raymond started something but it was too much for one person to control so he had generals. When he went to jail many Gs wanted be their own general so Raymond lost control away & cats like Tookie didn’t have control and that type of leadership so it splintered too much.✅
We were in DEMAND 💸 you had to box 🥊 you had to lift 🏋️♀️ you couldn’t just hang around us you had to be a dog 🐶 make a kitch pay a pimp ask Cutes “ If Took didn’t know you he didn’t have TIME you “ CRIP ♿️
Told y'all Crips were terrorist. Even though I.... U know the rest...
Tomorrow Jimmy will say he puts that label on crips but really the older guys in his neighborhood had been bullying people and attacking brothers that crossed the tracks into watts.
Definitely a hater... 👎
1st
Name one person apart from munson that put hands on raymond ill wait
We know what we know from these videos. Fact is none of us were there, but to think anyone is above gettin hands put on them is foolish...any fighter will admit you win some and lose some
@RonLaw82 never said it didn't happen but no one has ever come forward
reyerik8240 Roger Moseley put hands on him at Roosevelt park for dunking people in the pool
@@lilgiz5716 thats true but you talking about a grown ass man hitting a teen lol mosely was born damn near 20 years before raymond was im talking about gang members around his age
Even if he was a raymond Hater so dam what he from the blood side original all this emotional bullsh## need to stop
If Raymond and the CRIPS we’re such monsters why are we still talking about them 😅 oh I’ll wait Exactly ♿️ 🇺🇸
Monsters still exist that’s why
Why do people still talk about George Washington or Hitler... Not saying he's like them, but people like to talk. Usually on bad things more than good things.
santamoney7903 If the Crips were so revered then why did they hood turn Swan in the early 70s? I’ll wait
Aye Blood can y’all start something new since y’all can’t stand the Crips we were in DEMAND
ask Cutes everybody wanted a piece of the Crips ain’t nobody talking about no damn Bishops 🤣 ♿️ rip Bobby
can’t mention a crip without a blood but you can mention bloods and not have to mention a crip 😂. Bloods 🩸 made crips. crips wouldn’t even be all that famous if it wasn’t for bloods 🩸👌🏾👌🏾.
@@feedthefamily2013 5K
That's brazy me to my momma use to say in da name of Jesus
Why is this man telling jail hearsay stories but never been, For a man who bang one summer You’d think he was a crip kev interview this man twenty times an he talks about crips more than all the bloods interviews on here combined. Don’t nobody value his opinion but Kev Mac