Even after the hotfix, top skarner is still being used well. We don't really have any mana issues with the build in the video 〃 www.deeplol.gg/summoner/KR/%EB%9D%BC%EC%98%A8%ED%8C%80%20%ED%83%91-2732 www.deeplol.gg/summoner/KR/%EC%B2%9C%EC%95%88%ED%83%B1%ED%81%AC%EB%B3%B4%EC%9D%B4-KR1 www.deeplol.gg/summoner/KR/Zest-%EA%B9%80%EB%8F%99%EB%AF%BC www.deeplol.gg/summoner/KR/%EC%82%AC%EB%9E%8C%EC%9C%84%EC%97%90%EC%82%AC%EB%9E%8C%EC%97%86%EA%B3%A0-2006
Hey, i have found that you can use stride breaker and other tiamat actives while on ult kidnap, this is very useful with stridebreaker specifically, to gain a *slight* boost to movement speed while ulting to get kidnaped champions closer to your team or tower
@@zelcadin when did the OP said they wanted a slow? go back to kindergarden. your readin' skills are just NOT it. the OP talked about the movement boost from stridebreaker, never mentioned any slow.
I mean, Skarner top kidnapping you under tower was indeed one of his characteristics, I'm glad that he has different combos to do that now, it gives more room to express skill imo
Very nice video. I was a big Skarner top player before the rework and I've been waiting until the new champ banning settles down to play him. It's great seeing all this kidnapping tech, nice to see it's still possible.
League in 2013: "we want you to strategize and come up with any working scenario for ur team. choose any champion in any lane and make it work League in 2024: no fun allowed
just a small detail to add. you don't need to q again in the Q e auto W Q E combo. if you are holding a rock still then it will be thrown away automatically when you ult in the direction of your ult
@@d1mensi0n70currently the hotfix was mostly mana nerfs, but also increased his base AD ratio on Q. The key to clearing with Skarner is to use the E through walls and leaving the camps when they hit like 120 HP. Your passive + pet can burn easily finishes off camps before they reset. I’ve gotten 3:12 with practice, but I am still figuring optimal HP amounts.
this was always the plan of top lane skarner to kidnap people under turret and cc them for life (e > ult > auto > e > auto with enough cdr) but now you have disgusting lane harass, escape through walls, have a way longer threat range and can kidnap pre 6 wtf
So basicly you never wanna even step close to their sweetspot at before tower, just like with gragas or else you just gonna get bomba'd into tower every single time. Seems like fun and intuitive gameplay to me...
You ever wake up in NA and think you still have an imagination, and then you watch a Korean gameplay video and realize you're a literal potato brain? Yeah, same.
@@psyduckfart lol yeah, I'm mainly referring to the plays made in the video. Lots of things I didn't consider as jungle Skarner, too. Mainly the ult over the wall at Baron/Dragon pit.
Idk I thought these were very obvious other than the E hitbox. I'm not particularly great and multiple friends independently found some of these tricks as well (namely the R positioning). Comet became a thing for me because I hated vayne matchup but wanted to ban mordekaiser
Man I'm just scared of this new skarner, imagine 5min getting doved mid by skarner 3 times under turret is just insane ( and he's live after taking 3 turret shot ) :(
Too bad they just hot fixed Skarner to nerf him out of top lane. They only want him to be played in jungle. Which is dumb because this is no worse than Tahm or ka'sante using your own tower for kills.
lol all they did was nerf the mana cost on W and you dont even feel it with manaflow and biscuits and when u go back for ur 1st buy getting a tear just completely negates ur mana issues. pls know what ur talking about 1st before posting.
But this type of un interactive and minimal counter play, play style is just not fun to play against so I thinks it’s better if they balance it twords jng
It's a necessary nerf. W spam with comet is very toxic and uninteractive to play against. 46% winrate for a new champion is too much. But he's still viable on top lane, so that's not too big of a deal. I'd even argue that as long as his W works the same way as it is now, he'll always be viable on top lane.
I swear to god that R locking champions into specific vicinity of the champ look so goddang weird. He looks like hes doing a simba thing when he just shove enemy into his own tower. Wtf bro i prefer old skarner top kidnaps. That baron pit kidnap is so illegal btw. It really brings back memories when i first learned how to play old Skarner kidnap top from this channel too.
Tower champion spotlight, it's looks like Rell top, probably a lot better since he actually has damage and waveclear, but he will be melted come lategame.
I love how skarner can instantly punish these top laners/top lane champions that have been able to be so overly aggressive for so long. If the wave is dying under turret, and you're a renekton or riven, you shouldn't be able to just stand there, full combo under turret, and walk away like nothing happened. Skarner + Ksante , and hopefully more champions can be added/reworked to re-educate these reckless players.
Scarner looks like a menance now , fearful and majestic with that tripke steal your oponents is a game changer , Well done making this video glad to see the og champions are getting a fresh air , keep up the good work ~
I've been experimenting with Titanic/Sundered/even eclipse in some easier matchups, the AD is nice and with ingenious making you infamously unkillable with Sundered+Eclipse, you can still fill the Frontline your team needs Edit: Only just now, scrolling through these comments, did I find out tiamat actives work in ult, but I don't think that includes Titanic because it is an auto reset. Maybe swap that for stride?
okay, kinda curious. That Brolaf's "Bro-hooo!" Sounded the same as his EN version, but he's on KR. IS that the same regardless of language? Awesome if so.
Half that plays only work because people still haven´t figured out that skarner E gets canceled by EVERYTHING. The renekton E-R tower kindnap for example. If he used W before E, he´d automatically autoattack Skarner right after skarner catches him with E and interrupt the charge. Same with Udyr E and all other abilities functioning like that. Even Vaynes can buffer E in a manner, that AFTER beeing already cought you´ll get knocked back and interrupted. Literally the most clunky ability in the entire game.
He makes really good use of almost every keystone in the game in one way or another. Tank Skarner bulid-wise works kinda like Malphite - you take Comet in some matchups (ranged champs, strong early game threats etc.) and Grasp in others.
dont worry, they'll give skarner the akali treatment. For refrence of what im talking about: Akali's q used to start behind her. This is a similiar situation with his e.
So with Ksante they didn’t like how he had “0 counter play “ combos and kills you under tower and he’s been going through a great number of changes and reworks. So now…they rework Skarner so he has “0 counter play “ combos and can not only kill you under tower but can drag you under it from a decent distance away. How is this improvement in Champ design again?
guys, skarner will destroy any mid squishie like gangplank, gragas,riven (if played well) fiora( same as riven) tanks is just a ez matchup if u build titanic hydra its the best item for any lane hitting a whole combo with that will make the enemy at least go to half hp
Skarner is how you make a skill expressive tank. Fun combos with obvious downtime to trade back. Ksante when he goes all out is just like turning into Yone mashing buttons
How did Skarner instantly throw the rock he picked up at 10:56? there definitely should be a 0.75s delay between the boulder pickup, and the boulder toss but that Skarner picks up the rock and throws it immediately How did that occur?
@@マステルオサド i read the abilities and saw that when you have the boulder picked up and you press R, it will throw the rock instantly so he did you should probably rewatch it
@@PureSoulKyo yeah you're right. The timestamp took me to the play just before it where he threw the rock after the delay. But honestly giving up your ult to throw the rock instantly is fine.
I'm looking at this, was confused as to why w max first, and then I realized it's range is enormous, why tf is his w range that long? It should be like his twice his old q range at most According to wiki it's 700 range, that's a Cait auto
Yeah this is gonna be hard to fight, he is like k'sante you can't engage on him because he has so much disruption and cc time, netural game or lvl 1 or 2 all in is the only way to win against him
Even after the hotfix, top skarner is still being used well.
We don't really have any mana issues with the build in the video
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what is frostfire man
Hey, i have found that you can use stride breaker and other tiamat actives while on ult kidnap, this is very useful with stridebreaker specifically, to gain a *slight* boost to movement speed while ulting to get kidnaped champions closer to your team or tower
Hollup... Let him cook
nah this is garbo. too many wasted stats on stride. much better things to get. if you really want a slow get gauntlet.
@@zelcadin when did the OP said they wanted a slow? go back to kindergarden. your readin' skills are just NOT it. the OP talked about the movement boost from stridebreaker, never mentioned any slow.
@@bharatcarballo5144 Tankiness is still the top priority, the health from stride is not enough, better for fun only but not a optimum build
@@kentQQ123 Not everyone needs to build optimal built to have fun
My man you are insane. You are the guy everyone copies and uploads the trends from. So much detail into a new "concept" or champion is each time.
K'sarner
Ahahah that was good
The K stands for kidnap
Aint no way they just gave rework job to ksante and smolder guy💀☠️
fr.
this level of disruption and poke could easily make its way to the support role. a great kit for peeling and engaging into 2v2 situations
Alistar vibes
Agreed I tried him as sup and it felt quite powerful, ended up doing the most damage on the team too lmao
Was thinking the same, I recently started using k Sante as supp feels really good
He's pretty good Support! The Tank support item (idk the shield one lol) helps him a lot with, shocker, tanking and CC
I was waiting for this! Love from BR S2
I mean, Skarner top kidnapping you under tower was indeed one of his characteristics, I'm glad that he has different combos to do that now, it gives more room to express skill imo
Very nice video. I was a big Skarner top player before the rework and I've been waiting until the new champ banning settles down to play him.
It's great seeing all this kidnapping tech, nice to see it's still possible.
10:32 first time seeing Skarner ulti grab the enemy’s model THIS smoothly.
tower champion spotlight goes hard
League in 2013: "we want you to strategize and come up with any working scenario for ur team. choose any champion in any lane and make it work
League in 2024: no fun allowed
just a small detail to add. you don't need to q again in the Q e auto W Q E combo. if you are holding a rock still then it will be thrown away automatically when you ult in the direction of your ult
Kinda figured this would happen when I saw his potato clear speed and low mana costs
he does 3:09 no leash 1 smite, tf do u mean potato clear speed
@santumi2298 that is absolutely not what I got, granted I did mine before the hotfix and also have no clue what the hotfix was lol
@@d1mensi0n70currently the hotfix was mostly mana nerfs, but also increased his base AD ratio on Q. The key to clearing with Skarner is to use the E through walls and leaving the camps when they hit like 120 HP. Your passive + pet can burn easily finishes off camps before they reset. I’ve gotten 3:12 with practice, but I am still figuring optimal HP amounts.
I actually needed this gangy
That W hitbox is actually illegal. Very interactive gameplay.
this was always the plan of top lane skarner to kidnap people under turret and cc them for life (e > ult > auto > e > auto with enough cdr) but now you have disgusting lane harass, escape through walls, have a way longer threat range and can kidnap pre 6 wtf
Kennen sucks at his job for like 5 seasons😂
looks hella strong, literally what sion wishes he could be
I wonder if experimental hexplate would be good. Extra movement speed after using ult and more ult cd
it plays just like the old skarner, and surprisingly I also played it before the video)
So basicly you never wanna even step close to their sweetspot at before tower, just like with gragas or else you just gonna get bomba'd into tower every single time. Seems like fun and intuitive gameplay to me...
9:55 most satisfying moment...😩👌
Can't wait to see Skarner support.
Oh trust me im already working on it since it was one of my fav pics pre rework
@@grapeman807 Go for it king, as the ones who invented, Pantheon Supp, Camille Supp, now you'll make Skarner Supp something viable.
loldobby the goat
Any chance you can find a ryze player to make a video on I love your videos and would love a updated video even tho the old one still holds up
I wish you made more videos directed at jungle, love your videos though!
You ever wake up in NA and think you still have an imagination, and then you watch a Korean gameplay video and realize you're a literal potato brain?
Yeah, same.
I mean tbf any new champ that comes out they just pick comet and play them poke until the meta is established
@@psyduckfart lol yeah, I'm mainly referring to the plays made in the video. Lots of things I didn't consider as jungle Skarner, too.
Mainly the ult over the wall at Baron/Dragon pit.
came to the comments to say something similar smh
Same here gangy
Idk I thought these were very obvious other than the E hitbox. I'm not particularly great and multiple friends independently found some of these tricks as well (namely the R positioning).
Comet became a thing for me because I hated vayne matchup but wanted to ban mordekaiser
Did most of these though for the Arcane never thought of it lol pretty neat something to use against ranged top champs
Man I'm just scared of this new skarner, imagine 5min getting doved mid by skarner 3 times under turret is just insane ( and he's live after taking 3 turret shot ) :(
skarner is like poppy but you can also drag them while stunned
3:13
Skarner: Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru.
Gnar: Nani!?
Hi dobby thx for the video ^^
thanks, love your videos Dobby
Too bad they just hot fixed Skarner to nerf him out of top lane. They only want him to be played in jungle. Which is dumb because this is no worse than Tahm or ka'sante using your own tower for kills.
lol all they did was nerf the mana cost on W and you dont even feel it with manaflow and biscuits and when u go back for ur 1st buy getting a tear just completely negates ur mana issues. pls know what ur talking about 1st before posting.
Even after the hotfix, top skarner is still being used well.
We don't really have any mana issues with the build in the video
But this type of un interactive and minimal counter play, play style
is just not fun to play against so I thinks it’s better if they balance it twords
jng
It's a necessary nerf. W spam with comet is very toxic and uninteractive to play against. 46% winrate for a new champion is too much. But he's still viable on top lane, so that's not too big of a deal.
I'd even argue that as long as his W works the same way as it is now, he'll always be viable on top lane.
Th w spam max is jsut lame
a cool part of skarner ult is his orientation gets locked so it matters a lot how you angle it
I swear to god that R locking champions into specific vicinity of the champ look so goddang weird. He looks like hes doing a simba thing when he just shove enemy into his own tower. Wtf bro i prefer old skarner top kidnaps. That baron pit kidnap is so illegal btw.
It really brings back memories when i first learned how to play old Skarner kidnap top from this channel too.
New Skarner really said "GET OVER HERE!!" 😂
What happens when you grab someone with skarner's ult and then use kalista's ult to pull skarner?
Nice to have a group kidnap again. I miss the Zac kidnap ult.
thank god we have another loldobby video on gragas v2 cant wait to face skarner top now 😍😍😍
Tower champion spotlight, it's looks like Rell top, probably a lot better since he actually has damage and waveclear, but he will be melted come lategame.
algorithm comment, ty dobby
I love how skarner can instantly punish these top laners/top lane champions that have been able to be so overly aggressive for so long. If the wave is dying under turret, and you're a renekton or riven, you shouldn't be able to just stand there, full combo under turret, and walk away like nothing happened. Skarner + Ksante , and hopefully more champions can be added/reworked to re-educate these reckless players.
This looks like Ksante 2.0 with going behind and ulting to a turret
Some people see the word nerf and instantly think a champion is ruined.
I play Skarner for fun, these combos will surely help me make the opponents suffer.
3:45 what do you mean by "charge Q"? was it changed?
I’ve been running HoB and building eclipse
It’s pretty good
Gankplank is also one of the biggest counters if he gets ahead unless you have a jungler
Now you can't get kidnapped alone... He takes your teammates with you
Is this pre hotfix? Love your videos ♥
Scarner looks like a menance now , fearful and majestic with that tripke steal your oponents is a game changer ,
Well done making this video glad to see the og champions are getting a fresh air , keep up the good work ~
I've been experimenting with Titanic/Sundered/even eclipse in some easier matchups, the AD is nice and with ingenious making you infamously unkillable with Sundered+Eclipse, you can still fill the Frontline your team needs
Edit: Only just now, scrolling through these comments, did I find out tiamat actives work in ult, but I don't think that includes Titanic because it is an auto reset. Maybe swap that for stride?
If i was a skarner main i think I'd hate this rework ^^
okay, kinda curious. That Brolaf's "Bro-hooo!" Sounded the same as his EN version, but he's on KR. IS that the same regardless of language? Awesome if so.
Your E takes priority of Lee Q recast. Actually your E takes prio over most of abilities. :)
Hilarious how Olaf is a counter for every single champ and strat at the end of the video xD
Half that plays only work because people still haven´t figured out that skarner E gets canceled by EVERYTHING. The renekton E-R tower kindnap for example. If he used W before E, he´d automatically autoattack Skarner right after skarner catches him with E and interrupt the charge. Same with Udyr E and all other abilities functioning like that. Even Vaynes can buffer E in a manner, that AFTER beeing already cought you´ll get knocked back and interrupted. Literally the most clunky ability in the entire game.
0:36 - I would have immediately quit and uninstalled. That interaction is funny as hell.
that ult behind baron is crazy
meanwhile riot removing ksante slow on ulted Q for balance.
I knew tank runes weren't meant for him now gotta wait for some shojin tech
He makes really good use of almost every keystone in the game in one way or another. Tank Skarner bulid-wise works kinda like Malphite - you take Comet in some matchups (ranged champs, strong early game threats etc.) and Grasp in others.
dont worry, they'll give skarner the akali treatment.
For refrence of what im talking about: Akali's q used to start behind her. This is a similiar situation with his e.
No mention of Skarner ult giving him unstoppable, so you can use it as a counter-engage?
as far as i saw earlier in clips, he couldve just ulted towards the tower at 6:36 and it'd be better no?
The guy who reworked skarner is the same guy who built k'sante and smolder. All 3 can go over mountains.
So with Ksante they didn’t like how he had “0 counter play “ combos and kills you under tower and he’s been going through a great number of changes and reworks. So now…they rework Skarner so he has “0 counter play “ combos and can not only kill you under tower but can drag you under it from a decent distance away. How is this improvement in Champ design again?
That E into wall stun duration is way too long, considering he can chain his ult
it's so agressive and funny the champions voice on kr server lol
skarner reksai top 100% pick/ban presence at MSI
Skarner is disabled for MSI
Reksai already got her healing halved on minions on live. So yeah no
Is the bugged W fixed or nah?
Cant wait for a Skarner one trick to get turbo fed then clean up an already winning fight against Showmaker and be nerfed into the ground forever
2:46 frame by frame its weird how he suddenly moves olaf behind him.
also seen at 3:00
can you flash while chanelling ult or was it restricted too?
you can't
The kidnapping is actually insane.
1:16 for build
Is e interaction nerfed to not break yone e back?
guys, skarner will destroy any mid squishie like gangplank, gragas,riven (if played well) fiora( same as riven) tanks is just a ez matchup if u build titanic hydra its the best item for any lane hitting a whole combo with that will make the enemy at least go to half hp
I didn't notice how massive W's range is lol
I wonder how this plays vs camille
E doesn’t have priority on hookshot and ult has a long cast time she can kite with Q ms
Skarner is how you make a skill expressive tank. Fun combos with obvious downtime to trade back.
Ksante when he goes all out is just like turning into Yone mashing buttons
Looks like we have another K'Sante. You aren't allowed to touch half the lane without being under the enemy tower.
Hail of blades is also fun to use with Q
8:15 how the f could gnar flash when stun duration is not over, you clearly see the stun bar has a third left when he flashed
I hope to one day see a double kidnap duo botlane go to diamond. Like Skarner + Kench or K'sante or smt like that xd
How is skarner top vs champs like zac darius fiora irelia'?
2:50 like he flashes behind him or what ? how did he get behind him
How did Skarner instantly throw the rock he picked up at 10:56?
there definitely should be a 0.75s delay between the boulder pickup, and the boulder toss
but that Skarner picks up the rock and throws it immediately
How did that occur?
He didn't. Watch the clip again
@@マステルオサド i read the abilities and saw that when you have the boulder picked up and you press R, it will throw the rock instantly
so he did
you should probably rewatch it
@@PureSoulKyo yeah you're right. The timestamp took me to the play just before it where he threw the rock after the delay. But honestly giving up your ult to throw the rock instantly is fine.
He plays a lot like Tahm, but with more aoe and less single target damage.
Battlecast looks clunky, I like it
5:38 alright but how did riven get tower aggro here
4:50 how did she move while being stunned xd
Would love if they stopped turning junglers into top laners
I'm looking at this, was confused as to why w max first, and then I realized it's range is enormous, why tf is his w range that long? It should be like his twice his old q range at most
According to wiki it's 700 range, that's a Cait auto
So he's basically gragas ulting you into tower
What happened to the malphite video 😢
It will be soon uploaded !
THIS LOOKS LIKE POPPY TOP WITH EXTRA STEPS
No way the e kidnapping people behind skarner is going to stay, that is getting changed next patch for sure
remember when people hated ksante because he could kidnap u from half the lane?
itrs happening again
Skarner Rugal Bernstein! 😊
Yeah this is gonna be hard to fight, he is like k'sante you can't engage on him because he has so much disruption and cc time, netural game or lvl 1 or 2 all in is the only way to win against him