The recent obsession with making twist villains is becoming annoying. I hope they either stop making them, or seriously revise how they make them, so it works better
So hear me out: A more unique take on a twist villain You show the twist AT THE BEGINNING and then show the events leading up to the twist through flashbacks, and the viewer would be able to see the hints that the person is a villain that the protagonist doesn’t
if Yokai/Callahan got, like, 10 minutes of extra screen time i feel like it could've worked. Had Callahan mention his daughter during a mentorship scene with Hiro/Todashi, mention how ambition/talent can lead you astray, how *someone* can take advantage of naive wunderkinds for their own ends. I also think that if he was more featured in the crowd reaction to the mircrobots and showed him hatching a plan DURING the presentation as Hiro showed off what they could do. set up the anger, the HUNGER in him but in context it could possibly be construed as awe.
Mentioned this in a standalone post too, but add in that Callahan's kid was a test pilot. Then tie the symbol to a project where a testpilot was killed and so ended the project the final video wouldn't be a gotcha reveal, but the final clue that ties it all together.
@@kervinsantos5808 callahan built a great way to control them but his bots where weak hiro could control them but not to the extent Callahan could they needed each other’s tech
There could've been a scene where Callahan talks to Hiro about Tadashi, which would lead to his daughter. It would shock Hiro, and the audience, but it could work.
I understand your frustrations, but they did do that in the movie. They dropped a lot of subtle hints in the first half and parts of the second half. Like the scene with Callahan and Krei talking to Hiro. Or like when he mentioned his daughter to Tadashi and Hiro. The reason why he didn’t seem to villainous is because he really isn’t. He’s a vengeful sympathetic villain who let his anger and grief warp his mind and heart. That is why he let Tadashi, one of his best students, die. That is why he was wiling to kill his students and Hero. That is why he was willing to destroy so much. As shown in the movie by Hiro and shown in real life, grief and anger is one scary thing. As you remember, Hiro tried to kill Callahan and left his friends on the island when he was vengeful. That is something he wouldn’t do unless he was consumed by anger. You guys missed the point of Callahan. He was there to be the antithesis of Hiro and to show what happens when grief and anger consumes someone.
No, he was pretty much right. Tadashi went into a *burning building* to rescue a guy who's location he *didn't even know,* of course the only thing he managed to achieve was get himself killed, this is the worst possible course of action to take in this situation. His death really was his own mistake, for choosing to do the most stupid thing imaginable in that situation.
@@ryancarson6962 Which is why it's such a stupid scene. What was supposed to be a heartbreaking and emotional moment is ruined because logic is thrown out the window. I swear, it's crazy how Big Hero 6 is supposed to be a movie about geniuses yet every single character is either dumb, basic, void of any character development or completely useless and replaceable.
I cannot even call these twist villains anymore. No foreshadowing, barely in the movie and complete character assassination from how he is characterized in the beginning of the movie. I liked the movie because of Baymax, but yea. I did not even know he was supposed to be called Yokai 😂
Well you wouldn't be alone there lol. They actually never even say the word "Yokai" in the entire movie. Callahan is just credited as "Callahan/Yokai", that's the only reason I ever found that out
Since when does there have to be foreshadowing for a twist? If you take away the Star Wars prequels. There was no trait of Vader being Luke’s father, and yet that is one of the best reveals in the history of cinema. A villain twist doesn’t necessarily need foreshadowing, but it needs explanation, which the movie explained. Movies aren’t supposed to explain everything that happens. The movie depends on you to figure it out for yourself.
@@4shameFor all the times of I watched this film when I was much younger I actually liked him as a villain. Guess you don’t care for such things when you are young. Guess Callaghan is less villain more anti hero or fallen hero. Cray is the villain. Charles Muntz is a great twist villain.
You know what's extra funny? The TV show for Big Hero 6 had a villain that was clearly just Yokai but better. Better character writing, better motivations, much better execution. His name was Obake and I hate that people don't talk about him more.
Obake was different though, he was more of a blatant sociopath with the tragedy revolving mostly around his arrogance and old relationship with his school, and played the manipulation game rather than being a physical powerhouse.
@@HOLDENPOPE True. Really what I meant was that Obake is repeating a lot of Yokai's visual and story symbols (mysterious identity, Japanese name that means demon, a connection to Hiro, a moment when they shit on Tadashi's legacy, a connection to the university, being a scientist) but this time it's on a character that makes sense and is not an idiot and actually makes you think about him more.
SPOILERS IF YOU GUYS ARE WATCHING THE SHOW AND IF YOU SEE THIS JUST DONT LOOK AT IT Honestly I'm very surprised his name is Bob and his death was legitimately sad because he genuinely believed in his plan but ultimately failed and just gave up on life
I really think Disney should make less twist villains. When every other movie has them they aren't interesting. What would have been amazing is if they set up Callahan as a potential twist villain with everything that makes them good but don't set him back alive, and then reveal that it's all a ruse set up by Krei to frame a man who is still dead.
Spider-man had something similar with green goblin some years ago in an animated series except we already know his identity, but then some moments everyone doubt it could be osborn again (since every new adaptation can take some creative liberty and stuff) but in the end it was still him, nonetheless it felt like the 1st time we found out the truth
I understand Callaghan is hurt/angry about losing his Daughter Abigail, but ALL of that falls apart when you realize Callaghan was supporting his daughter to be a *TEST Pilot.* Sooner or later something was going to go wrong with that kind of job.
Tbf krell and his team thought throwing a plate through a portal was a good enough result and started human trials right away instead of hooking the ship up to a crane or winch.
I guess? this is like saying parents of dead veterans are wrong to be upset at the military/government because they supported their child becoming a solider. Sooner or later something was going to go wrong with that kind of job.
I love hearing Schaffrillas make fun of Yokai for how bad of a twist villain he is, and I'm happy this video brings some extra light on that matter. Schaffrillas just pointed out the basics on why he's not a good villain, but he isn't wrong in calling him a bad villain. It's fairly obvious, if you look into his character in more detail, that he wasn’t set up very well. I like this video for going into further detail on his character, and even further justifying why Yokai is a very poorly set up villain, and just a poor villain overall. I really like the examples you used that would have made a better villain/twist villain. Truly great video!
It's sad, beause Yokai had the potential to be a great villain. His name is badass (His name is based on the word Youkai from Japanese folklore, which is difficult to explain but Youkai are akin to monsters from mythos, like the Loch Ness Monster or Big Foot) and I like his objective character design and how intimidating the microbots make him. It's a shame that his villainy was given no hints throughout the film, and he was presumed dead until his random re-appearance, making his villainy shocking but in a very unsatisfying way. Big Hero was great in the first half of the movie, but really fell through in the second half. I wonder if the second half of the movie was rushed because the shift in writing and story quality was pretty drastic.
Big hero 6 is a good movie I agree also Yokai's being villain for revenge is understandable but the writing & the whole twist villain thing didn't do right about him. So sad
Here's my version of how Youkai could have been handled. During the expo, Callahan's mood switches from kind mentor to seething rage the second he sees Krei show up. Callahan asks him why he showed his face at the expo with Krei responding that while he is sorry for what happened years ago, he isn't going to stop advancing science and robotics. Krei's also bothered when Hiro declines to sell the Microbots, but respects his decision, albeit while saying that Hiro will regret not selling them. As for the fire, it was an accident caused by Callahan. He was frustrated with the way Krei has been so callous with him and his students that he lashed out in a backroom, one that caught fire and trapped him with the Microbots. After using the Microbots to save himself, Callahan decides to get revenge on Krei. However, Krei is the only one Callahan wants to hurt/kill. Hiro and his friends got too close and had to be scared off. Upon hearing that Tadashi died and that Hiro blames him for his death, Callahan sullens and says something among the lines of, "You have every right to take my life, but not before I take what Krei cares about." Hiro will either let Callahan go or try to kill him right then and there, but either option results in Hiro's friends trying to stop him/Callahan, which results in Hiro turning Baymax into a killing machine and the movie continuing as it did.
@@alwegiesushimi6137 TL;DR: Callahan accidentally causes a fire and uses the Mircobots to save himself, Hiro finds out, and the Old Man is willing to let Hiro kill him after he gets revenge.
Speaking of Zootopia, you should also make an analyses of Dawn Bellwether, the sheep assistant mayor from Zootopia. I hesitate to call her a twist villain, because I figured out Bellwether was the villain halfway in the film, however, I nominate King Candy from Wreck it Ralph as a candidate for good twist villain, because I was genuinely surprised by the reveal.
I mean, we already know King Candy was a bad guy half-way, but the real surprise was finding out about his true nature and identity, how he's actually a much bigger threat than we realized. And the best part is that it makes sense, and the clues were already gradually given to us like breadcrumbs.
TRUE! We knew that King Candy was already a villain/antagonist, but the movie did such a great job tying up every end in a cute bow that I just love how his twist fits perfectly within the plot
Honestly I feel weird about the daughter still being alive, part of me does like the idea that Callahan's quest for vengeance took away who he valued most, but 1 he was right to hate Krei and 2 Callahan is a foil to Hiro, why not have it be that Krei's recklessness killed both of them in different ways but Hiro has to come to terms with Tadashi's death while still bringing Krei to justice, whereas Callahan's revenge is so devastating that innocent people are being hurt. Yes it's a cliche, but at least the foil thing works. Honestly one scene I like from the cartoon spinoff is that part where Hiro talks to Callahan and says he can't forgive him, I wish we got more of an expansion on their connection and how fundamentally different they are.
"When everyone's super, no one will be" Describes perfectly the twist villain era, after watching 2 or 3 movies you already know what's gonna happen every damn time
That doesn’t really apply because the issue is less of the twist villains and more how they’re utilized and depicted. Twist villains are great they just need to be done *right*.
@@bluebay1031 yeah, they are. but when "the culprit is always the one you expect the less" every time it stops being a twist and it's more obvious than having a cartoonishly evil moustache and an evil laugh
I knew this video was coming. While I don’t think twist villains are bad on their own, I think Disney should still use outright evil villains from time to time, because they’re so entertaining. Also, let me know if you’re still doing What Happened To videos. I’d like to see those again.
I agree with that sentiment. Outright evil villains can be very entertaining, especially when you have actors who give their all in their performance, like Jeremy Irons.
I like what you came up with Tadashi being the villain. If Callahan died in a fire that Krai caused, it would've given him a motivation to want to take revenge. Maybe he went into the building and was almost able to save Callahan, came across Krai who refused to help him and displayed clear signs that he was the cause and leaving them to die. Tadashi is able to get out but gets very badly burned in the process, as well as fails to save his beloved mentor. Badly damaged and filled with remorse but also pure hatred for Krei, he's too ashamed to go back to his family and starts planning his revenge on Krei.
Still like Big hero 6 but that’s mostly because of the emotional beats with Hiro and Baymax. And I really think it would’ve been better as a drama between a grieving teen and a medical bot that doesn’t quite understand human emotions. Which is why Hiro’s hurt, not a physical form of harm. But gotta hand it to ya, this is a much better twist
One thing that was overlooked is that they do everything they can to make sure you don’t see it coming which I’d say adds to the problem with it being surprising since it’s less that they hid it well and more that they just overcompensated because they felt the need to shock the audience
A plot twist is supposed to twist the plot. It's not always supposed to shock the audience. There can be hints to it as long as said hints are subtle enough to not give it away. Once the twist is revealed, all the hints we spotted will start to make sense to us. But this, like you said, has little to no hints. We don't even know about Callahan's daughter until halfway through the film instead of the beginning. For all we knew, Yokai could've just been some mysterious master cyber-criminal looking to steal technology and cause trouble.
Besides being a terrible villain, something that's always been on my mind about him is the fact that if you think about it, in the end he kinda came out winning after the whole ordeal. Sure he got beaten and arrested like most villains typically do after losing against the heroes. But in the end if he hadn't done everything he did, no one would have ever figured out the whole daughter thing and even less rescue her. At least by the logic the story went anyway, sure he didnt get his proper revenge, but im sure knowing he's daughter is alive and back is enough to "justify" everything in his eyes even if he's now in prison for it. Anyway still a very poor villain LOL, definitely would have preferred the scenarios mentioned in the video far more.
I immediately knew who the villain was going to be the moment he appeared onscreen. The second time this happened was Incredibles 2. It's unfortunate that this twist villain trope has been used so much, it's lost its luster.
Honestly I would have loved if the villain was a former hero. Remember a lot of supers became jaded and missed their glory days as shown in the first film. Screensaver’s diologue reflects this.
@@tobsonasanya4765 its both good and bad i guess. Imo a good twist villain is what makes audience goes "ah i knew it!" or "Oh that makes sense!", but if its too obvious it ruins the fun which makes it bad, i guess its abt balance
I really wanna see that first draft of the movie. It would be so cool, seeing a twist villain bait be both correct and incorrect. But I think they would need to heavily lean into getting rid of the others non-lethally, and have Krei do a lot more bad things like showing up to Callaghan’s funeral to mock him or something, try to steal the design for the mic robots from Hiro, or something like that to make it seem understandable for someone like Tadashi to switch from help people to punishing Kreis actions
I genuinely think that “That was his mistake” line could have worked about it been executed differently. Instead of Callaghan saying it immediately, have him be openly taken aback with Hiro mentioning Tadashi’s death and let him take a few seconds to say it after thinking. It’d be obvious that Tadashi’s death hurt him too but he’s dug himself so deep with this revenge plot that he has to rationalize his actions.
Oh my gosh Tadashi being Yokai makes so much more sense. Especially since Yokai are spirits from Japanese mythos and are sometimes described as "the embodiment of a moment" which would be a really clever to incorporate how the fire affected Tadashi, and then the villain would have had a much closer connection to Hiro, but alas...
I strongly disagree personally. The reason Big Hero 6 resonated with me as well as many others was its centerpiece on overcoming grief and processing that emotion. Tadashi being Yokai would: -Go against his character and make it harder to feel sad that he died -Make Hiro's anger and how he comes to terms with that grief, including the Baymax combat programs, no longer work -Undermine the whole concept of the movie If you were to make this movie with Tadashi as Yokai, the entire movie would need to change drastically to accomodate. A suggestion I far prefer is to keep Callahan as the villain but make him a sympathetic character rather than a twist villain. If the movie opened with a montage like from Up where we got to see how important Callahan's daughter was to him, saw the tragic incident, and saw how he refused to process that, becoming jaded in the process, we have his motivation early. Have it be that his killing of Tadashi was an accident and sparks Hiro to go down the same path. Have him realize after that fight that the bitterness and hatred that consumed him have consumed another and not end up going after Krey. Instead, the "final boss" would be Baymax after getting installed with the combat programs, and Hiro and co would have to stop the fighting robot from hurting more people and causing others to go through that same cycle.
To add on to my suggestion, it could be that Callahan has partly moved past his daughter's death and Krey DID start the fire to steal the nanobots, but was ultimately unsuccessful. If Callahan is also partially motivated by Tadashi's death, it would make the parallels even stronger
@@foolishlyfoolishfolly3209 not really no. The theme is one of the crucial aspects of the movie. It's significant, but not what primarily or solely defines it.
the worst part is they could have made Callaghan being the villain work with one change, making Krei the one who started the fire in a failed attempt to steal the microbots with Callaghan having gotten to them first and used them to protect himself when the fire started with the result of that being what pushed Callaghan over the edge, this would make his turn to villainy more understandable as he already lost someone close to him due to Krei's actions and now he lost both his best student and good friend because of Krei it would be the metaphorical straw that breaks the camel's back and sets Callaghan on the dark path he goes down
That's what I've been saying. We can have a scene where a barely alive Tadashi dies in his arms. Callahan has now lost both his daughter and best student thanks to Krei. The Yokai identity could be inspired by Japanese folklore he about with Tadashi. While the Kabuki mask could be something he had as a wall decoration Tadashi gave as a gift.
Man you have the worst luck with the copyright claims. Great video. I hope it gets out there. I like Big Hero 6, but I totally agree with everything you said. I never saw it coming when he was revealed as the villain, but not in a good way. It just made no sense.
What’s odd is that his motivations are inherently sympathetic since he wants to save his daughter, and yet he still isn’t sympathetic because he never needed to destroy stuff and be the villain
The main reason I don't think he's a good villain is because of that. His motive is justifiable if you really think about it you could so easily make him a sympathetic character but nope he's the bad guy so he has to be a shit head.
I even think it was a missed opportunity to have Callahan/Yokai to bargain with Hiro while he tries to kill Krei. Think about it, instead of treating Tadashi's death as a "necessary sacrifice" or whatever. He tells Hiro that he never meant for Tadashi to get caught in the crossfire of his revenge. But it never would've happened if Krei hadn't taken his daughter away from him as well as blaming him for making making him get one of his best students killed. Thus, Callahan says that Krei is the one Hiro wants and they should work together so their loved ones will be avenged.
To be fair I feel like even Ransik made more sense then yo-kai because at least with ransik you understand where he's coming from obviously being a mutant he was shunned by humankind and that led to him not to trust in humans anymore and I can at least say that Ransik is a consistent character as opposed to Callahan who went from a kind teacher who sees the best in his students to literally trying to kill them out of revenge
Tadashi being Yokai is a really cool idea. It would also give a new meaning to Baymax declaring throughout the movie that "Tadashi is here." He's not being metaphorical, he's literally saying "Tadashi is *here*, he isn't dead." Maybe the movie could end by foreshadowing that Tadashi will become part of Hiro's group, as part of his redemption.
I'm surprised that not even in the comments someone points out that Callahan is a parallel to Hiro. When Hiro finds out that Callahan is to blame for Tadashi's death, we see how he doesn't think of anything but revenge, which doesn't change until Baymax and the others help him to deal with it. Callahan is supposed to be the same but instead of moving on he let the loss consume him and now wants nothing but revenge. I'm not going to deny the character's mistakes, I'm just a bit annoyed that no one even takes into account the parallel between the two. I thought it was conspicuous and important enough to talk about it in this topic.
@@gabriellopez4100 Because for all intents and purposes, it basically doesn't. We know literally nothing about Yokai or his motivations until the climax, so the parallel is completely in the dark as far as the viewer is concerned.
His character felt pretty empty. I once read a manga made for Big Hero 6 that had a bit more details on Callahan’s past. It tells us that throughout his busy life, he never made enough time to see his daughter or sick wife. When his wife died, he set out on making a teleportation device that will allow people to get from one place to another with ease - it’s why he’s so hellbent on getting Agatha back. There are two books on it if you’re curious. They’re pretty good
While I can agree with the fact that Yokai wasn't a good villain story wise, I still enjoyed the intimidation he kinda brings in his design and his attack on the new office building was also cool to see. But an idea I have is, why not kinda have both Yokai and Krei be the villain? What I mean by that is, still reveal that Yokai is making and controlling the micro-bots and that it's due to the fact that his daughter was lost in the space between portals in a test experiment, but leave another twist for another time in the movie. The new twist would be that Yokai is working for Krei, and that Krei is working in the shadows out of sight. Krei would be feeding Yokai a lie that if he does certain actions for him, he will bring back Yokai's daughter. In reality, Krei would have no intention of doing this and plans to put all the blame of what happened on Yokai and keeping himself out of trouble. That's just my idea. I feel like Yokai had the potential, but it didn't live up to the hype.
I rather like Big Hero 6, but Yokai is, hands down, the weakest part of the whole thing. Going from almost fatherly pride in Todashi, to He shouldn't have gotten in the way? Weak.
Seriously, why are you people suggesting that Tadashi should've been Yokai? It would go against the entire point of this movie, letting go of revenge and moving on from the loss of your loved one to let go of that revenge. If you reveal that Tadashi survived the explosion, then Hiro's want for revenge would've been all for nothing, because there would be no one to move on from so he wouldn't have revenge anymore.
Yea, The only reason he is even slightly memorable to me is because I love the micro-bots and they way they are used as a power, its such a cool power and how they are used is fun. Well then we have "That was his mistake."...
Personally I'd change his entire scheme to be not about rebuilding the portal to destroy the school, but doing it to find his daughter. Maybe destroying the school is a necessary step for that, and so was destroying that building and accidentally killing Tadashi, but it's not something he wanted to do and is even shown to feel remorse about, but is too obsessed with saving his daughter to let that stop him. I think giving him a more sympathetic motivation would make him a more believable antagonist. I'd also set it up beforehand, like having Tadashi mention how he was never the same after what happened to his daughter.
Effing THANK YOU! Some friends and I had a discussion about this not too long ago. Tadashi being the twist villain absolutely makes more sense and the professor could've been written off as a Red Herring. Where it's very obvious that the Professor's s Yokai to the audience, only for the twist to be revealed to be Tadashi as you just planned out.
2:20 the reason he tried to kill Hiro in the warehouse is bc he knew too much with the micro bots and everything. Then he had to try and kill Hiro’s friends too since they saw him getting the portal with the microbots later on and Hiro filled them in
I think this movie didn't need a twist villain at all. They should have just left the business guy as the villian. The movie was more about overcoming grief anyway. Keep the villian simple.
the idea with Callaghan was that he *couldn't* overcome grief, he was the antitheme. It's not his existence that's the issue it's the lack of foreshadowing and the assassination of his character.
Omni Man is a good twist villain because we are given reason for him not to be one, his screen time shows him being a hero and a good father so when he does brutally murder his team, we are shocked by this. Not that he's an established threat we are now scared for the heroes because we know about the bomb under the table but they don't. This is where Yokai fails, we don't establish him as an ally or a threat and his reveal changes nothing.
I completely agree. He also has motivations that make senses behind his actions such as his loyalty to Viltrum and his disgust for mankind wrong doings.
Ironically enough Wish tried to have a pure evil villain rather than a twist villain when the villain they had a better twist set up for him than almost all of the others.
My first thought was, "His villain name is YOKAI?!" The other comments say this was mentioned in the credits and other media but it's kind of indicative that he never left an impression on me. Didn't even have his cool name mentioned.
Calahan's motivations aren't great, but I'm surprised how many people think he's a bad twist villain because they didn't see it coming that he was the bad guy. I thought it was super obvious: 1: He's super supportive of the protagonist 2: He's presumed dead, but not shown dying 3: He wasn't the guy they were implying was the bad guy Admittable, all that is meta context. The characters in the movie have no reason to apply movie tropes and modern attempts at trope subversions to their situation at hand, but movie audiences should. (I also almost immediately clocked Eveyln Deaver as the bad guy of Incredibles 2. Hans escaped my notice, though. Stupid Hans.)
I feel like the ideas behind Disney's recent twist villains are inherently flawed. Not that a character you thought you could trust would actually become bad, but more that they had to have been a villain the entire time, or that if you could see them coming then it wouldn't be nearly as twisty. You should give the audience hints about someone's true nature, or have someone not perform a heel face turn as much as they were already opposed to something that the heroes were doing and are forced to act in response
I've got it! I've got it, guys! The perfect twist: Hiro spends the better part of the movie trying to catch the masked man, failing miserably each and every time. To cheer him up, Baymax shows footage of Tadashi attempting to light after sleepless night to bring Baymax to life. Hiro is inspired by the footage of his brother trying and trying again. It strengthens his resolve to complete his mission and to prove Baymax right in his belief that Tadashi is still with them, as long as they remember him and make sure to avenge his death at the hands of the masked man. They sneak onto the quarantined island and they find Yokai. After they all work together to catch the bad guy, they rip off his mask to reveal… Tadashi faked his own death in that fire and that he himself has been using the micro-bots as Yokai. This is when we realise that Baymax was right all along, but that he didn't give you the full story. (how could he? He did not know it himself.) Tadashi is evil! Tadashi was alive the whole time! Tadashi has always been jealous of his little brothers inherent genius at robotics and other sciences. Hiro is brilliant, without even trying to be brilliant, and after one too many tries to bring his robotic nursing project life, Tadashi has grown to despise his brother for his untapped potential and has decided to take the technology for himself, and use it to conquer the world.
It was not about the twist, and having it be Callahan is actually far smarter of a move than you think. Because he survived, but Hiros brother didn't. It isn't even about what he was doing, in Hiros mind, it should have been Callahan, not Tadashi.
Yeah but we could have so that he actually never meant to get Tadashi killed in crossfire. He finds Tadashi barley alive before he dies in Callahan's arms. Which will further fuel his desire for vengeance. He'll then blame Krei for not taking his daughter away from him but for also making him get his best student killed. To Callahan, it was supposed to be Krei not Tadashi. The twist with Callahan being Yokai could have been better if it was given a few tweaks. Plus we could say that the inspiration for the identity came from Japanese folklore and Kabuki theater that him and Tadashi read and watched together.
So many things wrong with this video where do I even begin? Well let's start in order. 1:46 - Callaghan never tells anyone that his daughter was part of Krei's experiments. Hiro and his friends find out from a security footage. 1:55 - Callaghan doesn't want to destroy Krei's "new office building" he wants to send Krei (along with his company's headquarters) through the same the teleportation gate he sent his daughter through. 2:20 - Incorrect. Hiro is the only one who knows about the Yokai building an army of microbots and is therefore a danger to his plans. 2:35 - Not exactly. The first interaction between Callaghan and Krei implies that something has happened. It's only latter that we learn about specifics. 2:44 - Incorrect. Let me quote: "Bot-fighter, right? When my daughter was younger, that's all she wanted to do" 2:55 - Look at my points above. There is a build up and clues. You just couldn't have bothered to pay enough attention to notice them. 3:17 - There are no hints at Callaghan being evil because he's not evil. At least not in a traditional Disney villain way. He's angry and resentful towards Krei because of what happened to his daughter. And there *are* hints toward this. 6:29 - Krei was never portrayed like a ruthless manipulative person. He was accused of being like that by third parties both of who were proven to be unreliable.
He was such a randomly dropped villain. Like literally the most random one of them all. One of my personal favourite twist villains, Makima, was literally hinted over quite a lot. She’s seen controlling the characters even if it’s very subtle. She silently manipulates the characters in the best way possible. I think halfway through the movie the writers just said “Random bullshit go!”
Not to defend the middle aged man that killed a young adult to further his revenge plot. But most people seem to forget that he DIDNT KNOW HIS DAUGHTER WAS STILL ALIVE. the whole point of the revenge plot is the fact that he tought she died, so he put the portal back together to give the billionare the "poetic justice" he saw fit. Form what i remember, he did mention he had a daughter when he met Hiro. I still dont think he's anything special, but its important to get the facts straight.
To me it felt like the whole portal dimension thing was built up for Baymax' sacrifice at the end to be neessary. The movie feels to me like it was written backwards, 'nurse robot sacrifice tearjerker moment' then they convoluted the plot to get to that end.
I think there is one thing you are forgetting. The core of this movie is Baymax helping Hiro grief the death of Tadashi, and not lose sight of what he stood for. And none of your points or suggestions seemed to have had that in mind. Yes, the villain needed more fleshing out, the twist definitely needed more build up, and the villains plan definitely needed more work, but if you're gonna change something, it has to be in service of the main characters' arc. Having the villain be Tadashi would make even less sense because it wouldn't push Hiro's arc forward. It completely removes Hiro's need to grieve, and it would completely go against everything Baymax stands for. Changing Tadashi would require changing Baymax's entire reason for existing in the film. As for Krei, Hiro already went in with the intention to capture him, not kill him, and it would not make any sense for Hiro to do a complete 180 and go "I'm actually gonna kill this person now.". Yes killing Krei could've been Hiro's motivation from the start, but you'd lose the friendship he forms with Baymax. Also sure, you could just write a scene where Krei taunts Hiro about Tadashi's death, but I think that would be a weaker and overdone reason for for Hiro to go completely against what Tadashi stood for than the complete and utter betrayal he felt with Callaghan. Callagan's betrayal, in concept, makes sense because it pushes Hiro and Baymax's story forward. It challenges Hiro, and completely flips his world upside down. The man that motivated him to make the Microbots in the first place is the reason why his brother died. And it's the fact that Callaghan let Tadashi die, even though he went there to save Callaghan, that sets Hiro off the edge to the point he would remove Tadashi's chip from Baymax, and order him to take someone's life, completely going against Tadashi's programming, leading his friends and Baymax to remind him what Tadashi really wanted for him, and Hiro coming through and honoring his brother's wishes of using his talents to save others in the end.
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Something that also bothers me is how the movie tries to make Callaghan into a sympathetic villain but the guy legit had no empathy for Hiro suffering a similar loss to him, or even that said loss was also a beloved student of his ("That was his mistake"). Something like this maybe could have still been pulled off if they didn't just have Callaghan make a full 180 in characterization the moment he's outed as the villain. At least they could have addressed that hypocrisy and not brushed it off.
another point with Callahan stealing the microbots is that he could've just asked Hiro to see one and study how it works. doesn't it set up that he's some big shot robotics expert? it makes perfect sense that he'd be curious about them and Hiro would probably just be like "whoa, he wants to look at my tech!" though you are correct about him just shooting Cray if he really doesn't care.
I have to heavily disagree with you on making Tadashi the culprit. Not only does that go completely against the themes of the movie, but it honestly makes even less sense for Tadashi to do this. With Callahan, as badly written as his turn is, his deal is that he’s meant to be a foil to Hiro. Being sort of a dark reflection on who Hiro could’ve become had he let his grief consume him and had he taken a darker path. We even see hints of that darker side to Hiro when he tries to have Baymax kill him. Callahan, though, did let his grief consume him and that lead to him taking the path that he took. Do I think it was done perfectly well? No not really. And if you want my opinion on how I’d fix Callahan, I’d say give him more hints to his turn. Like maybe tell Hiro about his daughter or something, and then it would recontexualize the scene in the lab where they all watch the video and Hiro points out “hey that was his daughter Callahan told me about her”. Also, remove the “that was his mistake” line, or at the very least, reword it in someway to still make Hiro trying to kill him work.
Having Tadashi be Yokai is a bit of a double edged sword. On one hand, making him the villain could damage the arc of Hiro and his grief, but it would also make it more tragic. I can see the potential, but there would have to be some things changed about Tadashi before the fire to make it flow a bit better, otherwise it’s a similar issue with Callaghan seemingly deciding to be evil. Also, Tadashi’s death is kinda stupid. He chose to run into a burning building, while it’s admirable… he is not a firefighter. Anyone who charges into a fire without any gear or training is just asking to die a tragic death designed for character motivation
Years later? More like months. And the whole course of the movie after is likely only days to a couple weeks. Callahan is *not* evil. Twisted by grief that all that matters is destroying everything that Kray cares about, yes. But not evil. And that is why he destroys the "office". To expose Kray's lax standards of safety and to cause such financial damage that with the tarnished reputation the thing that Kray seems to care about to pouring all his energy into will never recover. Believing a man is responsible for the death of your child yet faces no consequences can drive a man to do very, very bad things. Perhaps the issue is more a lack of runtime. Keep things mostly the same, but slowly feed in the fact that Callahan had a daughter that was a test pilot died in a testing accident. Then tie the symbol to Kraytech's secretive labs as a transportation system. Then that the project was shut down after a test pilot was lost and the building nearly destroyed. Along the way, keep up the thread of a potential industrial sabatage. And hey.... why not have some subtle hints that Yokai might be Tadashi. Make it more mystery than twist villain. Then, when the test footage turns up the last link falls into place.
Actually Callahan mentions his daughter in the first time he meets Hiro, and when he talks about Krei to Hiro st the competition , he says he shouldn’t trust Krei with anything while his voice sounds angry and he glares at Krei at this moment. So there are hints to his twist as the villain before it happens, it’s just more subtle.
@@Duothimir true, but it does give a subtle hint to his motives and hatred for Krei. You have to look for it but it is there. It doesn’t say obviously he’s the villain, but it hints that there is more to him than his seemingly gentle demeanor.
@@SiriusGalilei And then he's gone for 90% of the movie. We get barely any time to know him or what he's like, just the Yokai identity who's a mysterious bogeyman.
Actually, we did know that Callaghan had a daughter early into the movie. However, it was a single one off line so inconsequential that it’s easy to miss. When Hiro first meets the professor, Callaghan mentions that his daughter was also once into robot fighting. That’s it. Nothing to suggest that she’s presumed dead.
The story can still be somewhat fixed with Callaghan as Yokai. I'm admittedly not a writer, but I do have some understanding of how one can make a villain you're meant to understand consistent, and even have the audience feel bad for them, as well as not leave 0 indication that they could be the villain before the reveal. The way to do this is to change 3 things: Have him be more careful with the destruction of the building, waiting until it seems like everyone's out before triggering an explosion manually (revealed during the flashback). Before the reveal, have him go out of his way to avoid endangering the group and making sure Hiro isn't seriously injured once or twice, hell, even have him go out of his way to save him. Have him not be so cold about Tadashi, and show through his expression when it's revealed Tadashi died trying to save him that he genuinely feels bad about it, and then he channels this into more hatred towards Krei and becomes even more determined to kill him, since Krei is atleast partially to blame for Abigail being lost, and that's what caused Callaghan to snap. This would fix the biggest problem people have with him as a person (he did to Hiro what Krei did to him, yet is ignorant and does not hold himself accountable), and actually give the audiende a clue that he might not be Krei, who is the most obvious suspect at first.
I think my biggest problem with Yokai is that he's undercooked and not given enough time to explain why he's doing all of this during his reveal (even though I personally think he's one of the more better twist villains, but no where on the levels or Commander Rourke, Stinky Pete, and Waternoose, but better than Hans and especially Bellwether). To be fair to Callaghan in defense, there's a clue early on where Callaghan has his own grudge with Krei. Callaghan knew that he needed Hiro's micro bots to execute his plan of revenge on Krei, despite Krei also wanted Hiro's micro bots but he refuses Krei's offer before the fire went down. I think that the reveal scene should've taken the time to go a little further into his reasoning of becoming the twist villain of the movie, aside how he survived. Perhaps explain why Callaghan wanted the micro bots more as he struggled to come up with a ideal weapon for his revenge on Krei and thought it was time to take action against Krei with the upcoming opening of his new campus. After all, since Krei took something away from Callaghan, it makes sense for Callaghan to do the same to Krei. Another thing is that bugs me is how he's unsympathetic and inhuman toward his students, to Hiro and his response to Tadashi's death. Again in defense, had Callaghan shown his weakness of caring for his students, that would've secretly raised red flags for him, even if they suspect that he is Krei. In a fanfic story of Big Hero 6 I'm working on, he should be completely unaware that Tadashi died and that he was responsible for his death. He claims responsibility, truly feels guilty, and is extremely sorry and apologetic towards Hiro, but also points out that he's not the only one who lost someone they cared for, which is why he's doing all of this. Hiro acts emotional by having Baymax as the murderer to Callaghan, and will act as a bit of reflection showing that he's better than that. But later on at the opening when Callaghan planed on destroying not only Krei's campus but also killing him as well, Krei couldn't help but make things worse after when Hiro talks some sense into him. Now given what I mentioned (by the way, let me know what you think of the changes that could've make Callaghan a better twist villain), I would personally love to see the return of fully fleshed out villains of the past. I enjoy villains like Scar, Jafar, Frollo, Yzma, Maleficent, Lady Tremaine, Gaston, because they we got to know them from the beginning to the end. Now that's not to say I don't like some of the twist villains Disney and Pixar have made, I do like some of them, it's just that recently that's getting really tiring and old as villains of recent Disney movies haven't been all that great, and especially fall flat compare to the heroes with the twist reveals.
I remember watching the film with my brother and immediately when the scientist walked in I leaned over to my brother guessing, “He’s the bad guy.” I was kind of hoping it’d end up being the older brother because of how easy it was to see it coming.
I do like Yokai's design & the creativity with the microbots I think if he was kept mute & the mask stayed on. It would make a good Boba fett type of villain, & by not revealing the villain it changes up the twist villain formula. (Also Tadashi would have been a better choice for the statements u said, it would be also been a pay off for Baymax repeating the line "Tadashi is here" & him revealing he did DNA match).
honestly I don't mind Callahan being the twist completely, it does make sense that he doesnt like cray for sending his daughter to who knows where and that "hes looking for the perfect opportunity to strike" but at that point why not just hire some assassin from the back ally or something, the fact he didn't check if his daughter was even still alive still baffles me too.
If Challaghan really had to be the villain, I would have made it this way: first off, Hiro gives the microbots to Cray, despite Callaghan's warnings, in exchange for a lot of money (his family is not rich, after all). Due to this, the professor decides to destroy them, so that Cray can't have them, but accidentally causes the fire which kills Tadashi, but not before Hiro, who had seen he was acting suspicious, followed him to a secret room and watched part of the video of the experiment with the professor's daughter and put it on a usb drive. Also, I would give Callahan's daughter the codename 'Yokai', to explain why the professor took it later. Anyways, after the twist, Hiro finishes the video and realises that Callahan wants to recreate the portals and send Cray-not his building-into the mysterious dimension thingy, to get revenge for his daughter.
Even in spite of the fact that he is considered one of the worst twist villains by Disney, he is somehow still a better and less frustrating twist villain than lightyears
People have memed "that was his mistake" to hell and back, and for good reason. They set up this clear dichotomy between the hero and villain; both Hiro and Callaghan are grieving lost loved ones. Callaghan goes ballistic trying to destroy Krei's life bc he blames him for losing his daughter. But when confronted by Hiro who calls out how--by his own logic--he is now to blame for Hiro losing his brother, he just says "well he shouldn't have tried to save me from the deadly situation I created" (which he totally didn't need to create btw~). So by his own logic ig it was his daughter's mistake choosing to go into that machine and Krei isn't at fault lol. ig the point is that Callaghan's supposed to be crazy or a hypocrite or whatever, but they make Callghan 180 harder than Prince Hans, dude. all time spent establishing him feels it meant nothing, aside from him making it clear how much he dislikes Krei. like u said, it felt like they cared abt more abt shocking the audience than what made sense and/or fit the narrative... I liked ur idea of Tadashi being the villain; on first viewing, I thought that was what the movie might do and was gonna be disappointed but it could've worked. And what they went with was worse
I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing with you, but just to point out. Kreah does say "I understand why you don't like me." And before the Callahan says that his daughter was into botfighting when she was younger.
When me and my brother were chatting about BH6 all while playing resident evil, I told him how I probably would’ve written the villain: So yokai is more of a grey character than the main antagonist and the explosion was the final straw for him after finding out that the man Hiro rejected had henchman set it off. The man has tested on many other people before exploiting their success to the rich and Callahan’s daughter also fell victim to his experiments and died. Callaghan after being revealed never blamed Hiro’s brother for trying to save him but instead says “I understand you Hiro, but there’s a bigger enemy than me.” Hiro doesn’t accept this and tries to kill Callanhan before he’d escape. Hiro is captured and are challenged to survive in a secret collosuem with other engineers competing to survive. Callanhan disrupts and technically (saves Hiro) last minute as he begins to tear everything down to make the portal with his microbots and then carries the line “you took everything from me, now I’ll take everything FROM YOU.” Instead of his daughter being rescued (cause i want her to stay dead) it’s Callahan that both Hiro and Baymax save. 0:17 Idk of this would’ve been better or worse, but anything is better than the cheap crap Disney had done to this movie. Just because it’s a movie for kids doesn’t excuse shit writing
something I've never liked about this guy (I forget his name) is how he responded when Hiro confronted him about how Tadashi sacrificed himself to try and save him, and what was his response to hearing that one of his students that he cared so much for sacrificed himself for him? "That was his mistake". fucking excuse me?! where did that animosity towards one of, if not his top student come from?! it makes absolutely no sense for him to be so careless and remorseless about how he caused the death of someone he cared about. I do not care if the people who wrote the story did it for shock value. it was never hinted at that there would be any kind of animosity towards his students. in fact, the movie hinted at the OPPOSITE. why the fuck would he have this attitude about Tadashi dying trying to save him?! it makes no sense and destroys what little potential he had as a twist villain
Tadashi doesn't need to steal from the burning building. The montage shows Tadashi and the others helping Hiro gather all the little bots and take them to the expo. Tadashi could have pocketed one at any point. He and Hiro literally share a room. Thus it makes perfect sense for him to be able to make more since he was there throughout the creation process.
The recent obsession with making twist villains is becoming annoying. I hope they either stop making them, or seriously revise how they make them, so it works better
So hear me out:
A more unique take on a twist villain
You show the twist AT THE BEGINNING and then show the events leading up to the twist through flashbacks, and the viewer would be able to see the hints that the person is a villain that the protagonist doesn’t
@@Targetstrike I'm down for that.
@@Targetstrike I think I've seen Invincible did that.
Maybe they should have a crossover with Scooby-Doo
@@Targetstrike mother gothel was basically this
if Yokai/Callahan got, like, 10 minutes of extra screen time i feel like it could've worked. Had Callahan mention his daughter during a mentorship scene with Hiro/Todashi, mention how ambition/talent can lead you astray, how *someone* can take advantage of naive wunderkinds for their own ends.
I also think that if he was more featured in the crowd reaction to the mircrobots and showed him hatching a plan DURING the presentation as Hiro showed off what they could do. set up the anger, the HUNGER in him but in context it could possibly be construed as awe.
Mentioned this in a standalone post too, but add in that Callahan's kid was a test pilot. Then tie the symbol to a project where a testpilot was killed and so ended the project the final video wouldn't be a gotcha reveal, but the final clue that ties it all together.
Also it doesn't make sense since Tadashi mention that Callihan invented nanobots. Like why didn't he do it later and not steal Hiro's
@@kervinsantos5808 callahan built a great way to control them but his bots where weak hiro could control them but not to the extent Callahan could they needed each other’s tech
There could've been a scene where Callahan talks to Hiro about Tadashi, which would lead to his daughter. It would shock Hiro, and the audience, but it could work.
I understand your frustrations, but they did do that in the movie. They dropped a lot of subtle hints in the first half and parts of the second half. Like the scene with Callahan and Krei talking to Hiro. Or like when he mentioned his daughter to Tadashi and Hiro. The reason why he didn’t seem to villainous is because he really isn’t. He’s a vengeful sympathetic villain who let his anger and grief warp his mind and heart. That is why he let Tadashi, one of his best students, die. That is why he was wiling to kill his students and Hero. That is why he was willing to destroy so much. As shown in the movie by Hiro and shown in real life, grief and anger is one scary thing. As you remember, Hiro tried to kill Callahan and left his friends on the island when he was vengeful. That is something he wouldn’t do unless he was consumed by anger. You guys missed the point of Callahan. He was there to be the antithesis of Hiro and to show what happens when grief and anger consumes someone.
“tHaT wAs HiS mIsTaKe”
So much is wrong about this quote
No. It's actually "That was his 🥩"
No, he was pretty much right. Tadashi went into a *burning building* to rescue a guy who's location he *didn't even know,* of course the only thing he managed to achieve was get himself killed, this is the worst possible course of action to take in this situation. His death really was his own mistake, for choosing to do the most stupid thing imaginable in that situation.
@@ryancarson6962 Which is why it's such a stupid scene. What was supposed to be a heartbreaking and emotional moment is ruined because logic is thrown out the window. I swear, it's crazy how Big Hero 6 is supposed to be a movie about geniuses yet every single character is either dumb, basic, void of any character development or completely useless and replaceable.
And Tadashi had no reason to take Hiro away from the group just to tell how proud he was of him.
@@purple1441 I mean it was still emotional
I cannot even call these twist villains anymore. No foreshadowing, barely in the movie and complete character assassination from how he is characterized in the beginning of the movie. I liked the movie because of Baymax, but yea. I did not even know he was supposed to be called Yokai 😂
Well you wouldn't be alone there lol. They actually never even say the word "Yokai" in the entire movie. Callahan is just credited as "Callahan/Yokai", that's the only reason I ever found that out
The only reason I knew that his villain name was Yokai was because I had the coloring book...
The only reason why I knew he was called Yokai in the first place is because I played Disney Crossy Road where this character was named as Yokai.
Since when does there have to be foreshadowing for a twist? If you take away the Star Wars prequels. There was no trait of Vader being Luke’s father, and yet that is one of the best reveals in the history of cinema. A villain twist doesn’t necessarily need foreshadowing, but it needs explanation, which the movie explained. Movies aren’t supposed to explain everything that happens. The movie depends on you to figure it out for yourself.
@@4shameFor all the times of I watched this film when I was much younger I actually liked him as a villain. Guess you don’t care for such things when you are young. Guess Callaghan is less villain more anti hero or fallen hero. Cray is the villain. Charles Muntz is a great twist villain.
You know what's extra funny? The TV show for Big Hero 6 had a villain that was clearly just Yokai but better. Better character writing, better motivations, much better execution. His name was Obake and I hate that people don't talk about him more.
Obake was different though, he was more of a blatant sociopath with the tragedy revolving mostly around his arrogance and old relationship with his school, and played the manipulation game rather than being a physical powerhouse.
@@HOLDENPOPE True. Really what I meant was that Obake is repeating a lot of Yokai's visual and story symbols (mysterious identity, Japanese name that means demon, a connection to Hiro, a moment when they shit on Tadashi's legacy, a connection to the university, being a scientist) but this time it's on a character that makes sense and is not an idiot and actually makes you think about him more.
@@bobi200samatar6 true
@@bobi200samatar6 if I’m not mistaken, Obake means ghosts/ghouls?
SPOILERS IF YOU GUYS ARE WATCHING THE SHOW AND IF YOU SEE THIS JUST DONT LOOK AT IT
Honestly I'm very surprised his name is Bob and his death was legitimately sad because he genuinely believed in his plan but ultimately failed and just gave up on life
I really think Disney should make less twist villains. When every other movie has them they aren't interesting. What would have been amazing is if they set up Callahan as a potential twist villain with everything that makes them good but don't set him back alive, and then reveal that it's all a ruse set up by Krei to frame a man who is still dead.
That is a great idea, with the last part! ^^
They’ve barely had villains lately
Spider-man had something similar with green goblin some years ago in an animated series except we already know his identity, but then some moments everyone doubt it could be osborn again (since every new adaptation can take some creative liberty and stuff) but in the end it was still him, nonetheless it felt like the 1st time we found out the truth
@@nisarojas2869 I know right?
@@jgcoverkknot5701 I yearn for more classic villains, like Scar, Jafar, Ursula.
I understand Callaghan is hurt/angry about losing his Daughter Abigail, but ALL of that falls apart when you realize Callaghan was supporting his daughter to be a *TEST Pilot.*
Sooner or later something was going to go wrong with that kind of job.
So we can say that "that was his mistake" 🤣
Tbf krell and his team thought throwing a plate through a portal was a good enough result and started human trials right away instead of hooking the ship up to a crane or winch.
I guess? this is like saying parents of dead veterans are wrong to be upset at the military/government because they supported their child becoming a solider. Sooner or later something was going to go wrong with that kind of job.
I actually thought Tadashi was going to be the twist villain because of Baymax's line of: "Tadashi is still here"
That would've made no sense
@@kidprime6863Baymax can read bio-signatures, so it would absolutely make sense.
"That was his mistake!"
- Robert Callaghan
I love hearing Schaffrillas make fun of Yokai for how bad of a twist villain he is, and I'm happy this video brings some extra light on that matter. Schaffrillas just pointed out the basics on why he's not a good villain, but he isn't wrong in calling him a bad villain. It's fairly obvious, if you look into his character in more detail, that he wasn’t set up very well. I like this video for going into further detail on his character, and even further justifying why Yokai is a very poorly set up villain, and just a poor villain overall. I really like the examples you used that would have made a better villain/twist villain. Truly great video!
"That was his mistake!"
@@RoarkeIsBored
*"THAT WAS HIS STAKE!"*
@@RoarkeIsBored THAT MISTAKE WAS HIS!
@@keith.8964 "mistake", "that", "his", and "was".
That was belonging to a person of the male gender’s previously mentioned action that is misguided
It's sad, beause Yokai had the potential to be a great villain. His name is badass (His name is based on the word Youkai from Japanese folklore, which is difficult to explain but Youkai are akin to monsters from mythos, like the Loch Ness Monster or Big Foot) and I like his objective character design and how intimidating the microbots make him. It's a shame that his villainy was given no hints throughout the film, and he was presumed dead until his random re-appearance, making his villainy shocking but in a very unsatisfying way. Big Hero was great in the first half of the movie, but really fell through in the second half. I wonder if the second half of the movie was rushed because the shift in writing and story quality was pretty drastic.
Big Hero 6 is a good movie but the villain is a disgrace
@@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560 I. Agree. He is the only Disney villain that I felt sorry for in the end.
Big hero 6 is a good movie I agree also Yokai's being villain for revenge is understandable but the writing & the whole twist villain thing didn't do right about him. So sad
Sometimes wish the movie was better tbh
Here's my version of how Youkai could have been handled.
During the expo, Callahan's mood switches from kind mentor to seething rage the second he sees Krei show up. Callahan asks him why he showed his face at the expo with Krei responding that while he is sorry for what happened years ago, he isn't going to stop advancing science and robotics. Krei's also bothered when Hiro declines to sell the Microbots, but respects his decision, albeit while saying that Hiro will regret not selling them.
As for the fire, it was an accident caused by Callahan. He was frustrated with the way Krei has been so callous with him and his students that he lashed out in a backroom, one that caught fire and trapped him with the Microbots. After using the Microbots to save himself, Callahan decides to get revenge on Krei.
However, Krei is the only one Callahan wants to hurt/kill. Hiro and his friends got too close and had to be scared off. Upon hearing that Tadashi died and that Hiro blames him for his death, Callahan sullens and says something among the lines of, "You have every right to take my life, but not before I take what Krei cares about." Hiro will either let Callahan go or try to kill him right then and there, but either option results in Hiro's friends trying to stop him/Callahan, which results in Hiro turning Baymax into a killing machine and the movie continuing as it did.
That is so much better than what we got. Great job.
I ain’t reading allat
@@alwegiesushimi6137 TL;DR: Callahan accidentally causes a fire and uses the Mircobots to save himself, Hiro finds out, and the Old Man is willing to let Hiro kill him after he gets revenge.
You did the better job 😉✨
@@princessarnasan3725 Thank you!
Speaking of Zootopia, you should also make an analyses of Dawn Bellwether, the sheep assistant mayor from Zootopia. I hesitate to call her a twist villain, because I figured out Bellwether was the villain halfway in the film, however, I nominate King Candy from Wreck it Ralph as a candidate for good twist villain, because I was genuinely surprised by the reveal.
I mean, we already know King Candy was a bad guy half-way, but the real surprise was finding out about his true nature and identity, how he's actually a much bigger threat than we realized. And the best part is that it makes sense, and the clues were already gradually given to us like breadcrumbs.
TRUE! We knew that King Candy was already a villain/antagonist, but the movie did such a great job tying up every end in a cute bow that I just love how his twist fits perfectly within the plot
King Candy works as a twist villain because the twist *isn't* that he's a villain
@@redjirachi1 Just like Syndrome.
She was just a dogshit ripoff of James Waternoose from Monster's Incorporated
Honestly I feel weird about the daughter still being alive, part of me does like the idea that Callahan's quest for vengeance took away who he valued most, but 1 he was right to hate Krei and 2 Callahan is a foil to Hiro, why not have it be that Krei's recklessness killed both of them in different ways but Hiro has to come to terms with Tadashi's death while still bringing Krei to justice, whereas Callahan's revenge is so devastating that innocent people are being hurt. Yes it's a cliche, but at least the foil thing works. Honestly one scene I like from the cartoon spinoff is that part where Hiro talks to Callahan and says he can't forgive him, I wish we got more of an expansion on their connection and how fundamentally different they are.
"When everyone's super, no one will be"
Describes perfectly the twist villain era, after watching 2 or 3 movies you already know what's gonna happen every damn time
But it barely happens anymore
That doesn’t really apply because the issue is less of the twist villains and more how they’re utilized and depicted. Twist villains are great they just need to be done *right*.
@@bluebay1031 yeah, they are. but when "the culprit is always the one you expect the less" every time it stops being a twist and it's more obvious than having a cartoonishly evil moustache and an evil laugh
@@tobsonasanya4765 that's why i said it was an era
Now the trend is having family issues i guess lol
@@GarkKahn eh nothing wrong with that. Plus aside from encanto and turning red you sure
I didn't really understand why people thought Yokai was a bad villain until now. You explained it perfectly! Keep up the great work! :D
I knew this video was coming. While I don’t think twist villains are bad on their own, I think Disney should still use outright evil villains from time to time, because they’re so entertaining. Also, let me know if you’re still doing What Happened To videos. I’d like to see those again.
I have a pretty big one planned for Christmas
@@4shame All right! Can’t wait!
Or go the Ghibli route and have no villains.
I agree with that sentiment. Outright evil villains can be very entertaining, especially when you have actors who give their all in their performance, like Jeremy Irons.
@@taqresu5865 I don’t recall the Count of Tripoli being a villain in Kingdom of Heaven.
I like what you came up with Tadashi being the villain. If Callahan died in a fire that Krai caused, it would've given him a motivation to want to take revenge. Maybe he went into the building and was almost able to save Callahan, came across Krai who refused to help him and displayed clear signs that he was the cause and leaving them to die. Tadashi is able to get out but gets very badly burned in the process, as well as fails to save his beloved mentor. Badly damaged and filled with remorse but also pure hatred for Krei, he's too ashamed to go back to his family and starts planning his revenge on Krei.
Still like Big hero 6 but that’s mostly because of the emotional beats with Hiro and Baymax. And I really think it would’ve been better as a drama between a grieving teen and a medical bot that doesn’t quite understand human emotions. Which is why Hiro’s hurt, not a physical form of harm. But gotta hand it to ya, this is a much better twist
I like your version where Tadashi is Yokai, that works out really well
One thing that was overlooked is that they do everything they can to make sure you don’t see it coming which I’d say adds to the problem with it being surprising since it’s less that they hid it well and more that they just overcompensated because they felt the need to shock the audience
A plot twist is supposed to twist the plot. It's not always supposed to shock the audience. There can be hints to it as long as said hints are subtle enough to not give it away. Once the twist is revealed, all the hints we spotted will start to make sense to us.
But this, like you said, has little to no hints. We don't even know about Callahan's daughter until halfway through the film instead of the beginning. For all we knew, Yokai could've just been some mysterious master cyber-criminal looking to steal technology and cause trouble.
@@kidprime6863 The fact that them going overboard with the red herring is what gave the twist away to a lot of people says a lot.
Besides being a terrible villain, something that's always been on my mind about him is the fact that if you think about it, in the end he kinda came out winning after the whole ordeal. Sure he got beaten and arrested like most villains typically do after losing against the heroes. But in the end if he hadn't done everything he did, no one would have ever figured out the whole daughter thing and even less rescue her. At least by the logic the story went anyway, sure he didnt get his proper revenge, but im sure knowing he's daughter is alive and back is enough to "justify" everything in his eyes even if he's now in prison for it. Anyway still a very poor villain LOL, definitely would have preferred the scenarios mentioned in the video far more.
I don't why Callahan couldn't just ask Hiro if he could borrow the micro-bots so he could do his revenge in secret.
I immediately knew who the villain was going to be the moment he appeared onscreen. The second time this happened was Incredibles 2. It's unfortunate that this twist villain trope has been used so much, it's lost its luster.
Honestly I would have loved if the villain was a former hero. Remember a lot of supers became jaded and missed their glory days as shown in the first film. Screensaver’s diologue reflects this.
But then if you knew isn't that a good thing
@@tobsonasanya4765 its both good and bad i guess. Imo a good twist villain is what makes audience goes "ah i knew it!" or "Oh that makes sense!", but if its too obvious it ruins the fun which makes it bad, i guess its abt balance
@@Vyansya incredible 2 had hints. Also I doubt he knew callagan was going to be the villain
I really wanna see that first draft of the movie. It would be so cool, seeing a twist villain bait be both correct and incorrect. But I think they would need to heavily lean into getting rid of the others non-lethally, and have Krei do a lot more bad things like showing up to Callaghan’s funeral to mock him or something, try to steal the design for the mic robots from Hiro, or something like that to make it seem understandable for someone like Tadashi to switch from help people to punishing Kreis actions
I genuinely think that “That was his mistake” line could have worked about it been executed differently.
Instead of Callaghan saying it immediately, have him be openly taken aback with Hiro mentioning Tadashi’s death and let him take a few seconds to say it after thinking. It’d be obvious that Tadashi’s death hurt him too but he’s dug himself so deep with this revenge plot that he has to rationalize his actions.
Oh my gosh Tadashi being Yokai makes so much more sense. Especially since Yokai are spirits from Japanese mythos and are sometimes described as "the embodiment of a moment" which would be a really clever to incorporate how the fire affected Tadashi, and then the villain would have had a much closer connection to Hiro, but alas...
I strongly disagree personally. The reason Big Hero 6 resonated with me as well as many others was its centerpiece on overcoming grief and processing that emotion. Tadashi being Yokai would:
-Go against his character and make it harder to feel sad that he died
-Make Hiro's anger and how he comes to terms with that grief, including the Baymax combat programs, no longer work
-Undermine the whole concept of the movie
If you were to make this movie with Tadashi as Yokai, the entire movie would need to change drastically to accomodate.
A suggestion I far prefer is to keep Callahan as the villain but make him a sympathetic character rather than a twist villain. If the movie opened with a montage like from Up where we got to see how important Callahan's daughter was to him, saw the tragic incident, and saw how he refused to process that, becoming jaded in the process, we have his motivation early. Have it be that his killing of Tadashi was an accident and sparks Hiro to go down the same path. Have him realize after that fight that the bitterness and hatred that consumed him have consumed another and not end up going after Krey. Instead, the "final boss" would be Baymax after getting installed with the combat programs, and Hiro and co would have to stop the fighting robot from hurting more people and causing others to go through that same cycle.
To add on to my suggestion, it could be that Callahan has partly moved past his daughter's death and Krey DID start the fire to steal the nanobots, but was ultimately unsuccessful. If Callahan is also partially motivated by Tadashi's death, it would make the parallels even stronger
@@foolishlyfoolishfolly3209 eh, it's less the entire movie would have to change, and more just the themes and a handful of scenes.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Considering the theme IS the movie, it's what the author was trying to say, I feel my concern holds.
@@foolishlyfoolishfolly3209 not really no. The theme is one of the crucial aspects of the movie. It's significant, but not what primarily or solely defines it.
the worst part is they could have made Callaghan being the villain work with one change, making Krei the one who started the fire in a failed attempt to steal the microbots with Callaghan having gotten to them first and used them to protect himself when the fire started with the result of that being what pushed Callaghan over the edge, this would make his turn to villainy more understandable as he already lost someone close to him due to Krei's actions and now he lost both his best student and good friend because of Krei it would be the metaphorical straw that breaks the camel's back and sets Callaghan on the dark path he goes down
That's what I've been saying. We can have a scene where a barely alive Tadashi dies in his arms. Callahan has now lost both his daughter and best student thanks to Krei. The Yokai identity could be inspired by Japanese folklore he about with Tadashi. While the Kabuki mask could be something he had as a wall decoration Tadashi gave as a gift.
Man you have the worst luck with the copyright claims. Great video. I hope it gets out there.
I like Big Hero 6, but I totally agree with everything you said. I never saw it coming when he was revealed as the villain, but not in a good way. It just made no sense.
What’s odd is that his motivations are inherently sympathetic since he wants to save his daughter, and yet he still isn’t sympathetic because he never needed to destroy stuff and be the villain
For most of the film, he just thought his daughter was dead. His motivation was revenge.
That's called an anti-villain.
The main reason I don't think he's a good villain is because of that. His motive is justifiable if you really think about it you could so easily make him a sympathetic character but nope he's the bad guy so he has to be a shit head.
Exactly his backstory is petty.
I even think it was a missed opportunity to have Callahan/Yokai to bargain with Hiro while he tries to kill Krei.
Think about it, instead of treating Tadashi's death as a "necessary sacrifice" or whatever. He tells Hiro that he never meant for Tadashi to get caught in the crossfire of his revenge. But it never would've happened if Krei hadn't taken his daughter away from him as well as blaming him for making making him get one of his best students killed. Thus, Callahan says that Krei is the one Hiro wants and they should work together so their loved ones will be avenged.
As Linkara said in HOPR
"There's a difference in having a sympathetic backstory and actually being sympathetic"
To be fair I feel like even Ransik made more sense then yo-kai because at least with ransik you understand where he's coming from obviously being a mutant he was shunned by humankind and that led to him not to trust in humans anymore and I can at least say that Ransik is a consistent character as opposed to Callahan who went from a kind teacher who sees the best in his students to literally trying to kill them out of revenge
Tadashi being Yokai is a really cool idea. It would also give a new meaning to Baymax declaring throughout the movie that "Tadashi is here." He's not being metaphorical, he's literally saying "Tadashi is *here*, he isn't dead."
Maybe the movie could end by foreshadowing that Tadashi will become part of Hiro's group, as part of his redemption.
I'm gonna steal these ideas for my fan fiction about Big Hero 6
I'm surprised that not even in the comments someone points out that Callahan is a parallel to Hiro. When Hiro finds out that Callahan is to blame for Tadashi's death, we see how he doesn't think of anything but revenge, which doesn't change until Baymax and the others help him to deal with it. Callahan is supposed to be the same but instead of moving on he let the loss consume him and now wants nothing but revenge.
I'm not going to deny the character's mistakes, I'm just a bit annoyed that no one even takes into account the parallel between the two. I thought it was conspicuous and important enough to talk about it in this topic.
The problem is how they handle this character and it’s execution.
@@emoji3266 I know, it's just that the parallelism is a very important part of the character and yet it was brushed off as if it didn't even exist
@@gabriellopez4100 Because for all intents and purposes, it basically doesn't. We know literally nothing about Yokai or his motivations until the climax, so the parallel is completely in the dark as far as the viewer is concerned.
His character felt pretty empty. I once read a manga made for Big Hero 6 that had a bit more details on Callahan’s past. It tells us that throughout his busy life, he never made enough time to see his daughter or sick wife. When his wife died, he set out on making a teleportation device that will allow people to get from one place to another with ease - it’s why he’s so hellbent on getting Agatha back.
There are two books on it if you’re curious. They’re pretty good
Were I can find this books?
Actually, Tadashi turned out to be a villain plot was very popular when this movie came out.
Especially in tumblr and facebook.
It was wild.
I was about to say... Everyone wanted that to be the twist(That and Tadashi would still be alive)
But in the end "That was His Mistake!"
While I can agree with the fact that Yokai wasn't a good villain story wise, I still enjoyed the intimidation he kinda brings in his design and his attack on the new office building was also cool to see. But an idea I have is, why not kinda have both Yokai and Krei be the villain?
What I mean by that is, still reveal that Yokai is making and controlling the micro-bots and that it's due to the fact that his daughter was lost in the space between portals in a test experiment, but leave another twist for another time in the movie.
The new twist would be that Yokai is working for Krei, and that Krei is working in the shadows out of sight. Krei would be feeding Yokai a lie that if he does certain actions for him, he will bring back Yokai's daughter. In reality, Krei would have no intention of doing this and plans to put all the blame of what happened on Yokai and keeping himself out of trouble.
That's just my idea. I feel like Yokai had the potential, but it didn't live up to the hype.
Movie was okay. Not amazing. Not terrible. Just ok. The villain was precisely the problem. Good vid mate
What’s funny is that 4shame is actually right Krei was going to be the villain but they thought it would been too obvious
I rather like Big Hero 6, but Yokai is, hands down, the weakest part of the whole thing. Going from almost fatherly pride in Todashi, to He shouldn't have gotten in the way? Weak.
Seriously, why are you people suggesting that Tadashi should've been Yokai? It would go against the entire point of this movie, letting go of revenge and moving on from the loss of your loved one to let go of that revenge. If you reveal that Tadashi survived the explosion, then Hiro's want for revenge would've been all for nothing, because there would be no one to move on from so he wouldn't have revenge anymore.
Yea, The only reason he is even slightly memorable to me is because I love the micro-bots and they way they are used as a power, its such a cool power and how they are used is fun. Well then we have "That was his mistake."...
The fact that his first name isn't "That was his mistake" hit me like a sack of wet bricks
"That was his, miss Steak!"
Literally the only good thing to come out of this character is 'That was his mistake!' thanks to Schaffrillas.
Personally I'd change his entire scheme to be not about rebuilding the portal to destroy the school, but doing it to find his daughter. Maybe destroying the school is a necessary step for that, and so was destroying that building and accidentally killing Tadashi, but it's not something he wanted to do and is even shown to feel remorse about, but is too obsessed with saving his daughter to let that stop him. I think giving him a more sympathetic motivation would make him a more believable antagonist.
I'd also set it up beforehand, like having Tadashi mention how he was never the same after what happened to his daughter.
Effing THANK YOU! Some friends and I had a discussion about this not too long ago. Tadashi being the twist villain absolutely makes more sense and the professor could've been written off as a Red Herring. Where it's very obvious that the Professor's s Yokai to the audience, only for the twist to be revealed to be Tadashi as you just planned out.
2:20 the reason he tried to kill Hiro in the warehouse is bc he knew too much with the micro bots and everything. Then he had to try and kill Hiro’s friends too since they saw him getting the portal with the microbots later on and Hiro filled them in
I think this movie didn't need a twist villain at all. They should have just left the business guy as the villian. The movie was more about overcoming grief anyway. Keep the villian simple.
the idea with Callaghan was that he *couldn't* overcome grief, he was the antitheme.
It's not his existence that's the issue it's the lack of foreshadowing and the assassination of his character.
Funny you should say that because originally krei was yokai but Disney thought that would’ve been to obvious
I was today years old when I discovered he's called 'yokai'. I always thought it was just 'man in the Kabuki mask'
The manga version of the film actually changes the story and motivations; and in my opinion, it tells the story better than what the movie did
There's a manga version of this movie?
What changes to the story and motivations were made?
Deadass, my whole family thought Yokai was gonna be Tadashi, and when it wasn't, we were all confused.
Omni Man is a good twist villain because we are given reason for him not to be one, his screen time shows him being a hero and a good father so when he does brutally murder his team, we are shocked by this. Not that he's an established threat we are now scared for the heroes because we know about the bomb under the table but they don't. This is where Yokai fails, we don't establish him as an ally or a threat and his reveal changes nothing.
I completely agree. He also has motivations that make senses behind his actions such as his loyalty to Viltrum and his disgust for mankind wrong doings.
Ironically enough Wish tried to have a pure evil villain rather than a twist villain when the villain they had a better twist set up for him than almost all of the others.
My first thought was, "His villain name is YOKAI?!" The other comments say this was mentioned in the credits and other media but it's kind of indicative that he never left an impression on me. Didn't even have his cool name mentioned.
“THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE!” like bro what
That little section with boba fett was hilarious. Never seen that before.
It’s Django!
@@jeffreygao3956 🤓
@@jeffreygao3956That’s not even his name. You are very confidently wrong.
@@torterratortellini6641 Actually, that was the logical conclusion of combining Boba's father Jango with Django Unchained.
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Calahan's motivations aren't great, but I'm surprised how many people think he's a bad twist villain because they didn't see it coming that he was the bad guy. I thought it was super obvious:
1: He's super supportive of the protagonist
2: He's presumed dead, but not shown dying
3: He wasn't the guy they were implying was the bad guy
Admittable, all that is meta context. The characters in the movie have no reason to apply movie tropes and modern attempts at trope subversions to their situation at hand, but movie audiences should. (I also almost immediately clocked Eveyln Deaver as the bad guy of Incredibles 2. Hans escaped my notice, though. Stupid Hans.)
I feel like the ideas behind Disney's recent twist villains are inherently flawed. Not that a character you thought you could trust would actually become bad, but more that they had to have been a villain the entire time, or that if you could see them coming then it wouldn't be nearly as twisty. You should give the audience hints about someone's true nature, or have someone not perform a heel face turn as much as they were already opposed to something that the heroes were doing and are forced to act in response
I've got it! I've got it, guys! The perfect twist:
Hiro spends the better part of the movie trying to catch the masked man, failing miserably each and every time. To cheer him up, Baymax shows footage of Tadashi attempting to light after sleepless night to bring Baymax to life. Hiro is inspired by the footage of his brother trying and trying again. It strengthens his resolve to complete his mission and to prove Baymax right in his belief that Tadashi is still with them, as long as they remember him and make sure to avenge his death at the hands of the masked man. They sneak onto the quarantined island and they find Yokai. After they all work together to catch the bad guy, they rip off his mask to reveal…
Tadashi faked his own death in that fire and that he himself has been using the micro-bots as Yokai. This is when we realise that Baymax was right all along, but that he didn't give you the full story. (how could he? He did not know it himself.) Tadashi is evil! Tadashi was alive the whole time! Tadashi has always been jealous of his little brothers inherent genius at robotics and other sciences. Hiro is brilliant, without even trying to be brilliant, and after one too many tries to bring his robotic nursing project life, Tadashi has grown to despise his brother for his untapped potential and has decided to take the technology for himself, and use it to conquer the world.
Say the line, James!
“That was his mistake.”
YAAAAAAY!!
I loved this movie. But not because of the villain. Because of Baymax
It was not about the twist, and having it be Callahan is actually far smarter of a move than you think.
Because he survived, but Hiros brother didn't. It isn't even about what he was doing, in Hiros mind, it should have been Callahan, not Tadashi.
Yeah but we could have so that he actually never meant to get Tadashi killed in crossfire. He finds Tadashi barley alive before he dies in Callahan's arms. Which will further fuel his desire for vengeance. He'll then blame Krei for not taking his daughter away from him but for also making him get his best student killed. To Callahan, it was supposed to be Krei not Tadashi.
The twist with Callahan being Yokai could have been better if it was given a few tweaks. Plus we could say that the inspiration for the identity came from Japanese folklore and Kabuki theater that him and Tadashi read and watched together.
So many things wrong with this video where do I even begin? Well let's start in order.
1:46 - Callaghan never tells anyone that his daughter was part of Krei's experiments. Hiro and his friends find out from a security footage.
1:55 - Callaghan doesn't want to destroy Krei's "new office building" he wants to send Krei (along with his company's headquarters) through the same the teleportation gate he sent his daughter through.
2:20 - Incorrect. Hiro is the only one who knows about the Yokai building an army of microbots and is therefore a danger to his plans.
2:35 - Not exactly. The first interaction between Callaghan and Krei implies that something has happened. It's only latter that we learn about specifics.
2:44 - Incorrect. Let me quote: "Bot-fighter, right? When my daughter was younger, that's all she wanted to do"
2:55 - Look at my points above. There is a build up and clues. You just couldn't have bothered to pay enough attention to notice them.
3:17 - There are no hints at Callaghan being evil because he's not evil. At least not in a traditional Disney villain way. He's angry and resentful towards Krei because of what happened to his daughter. And there *are* hints toward this.
6:29 - Krei was never portrayed like a ruthless manipulative person. He was accused of being like that by third parties both of who were proven to be unreliable.
He was such a randomly dropped villain. Like literally the most random one of them all. One of my personal favourite twist villains, Makima, was literally hinted over quite a lot. She’s seen controlling the characters even if it’s very subtle. She silently manipulates the characters in the best way possible. I think halfway through the movie the writers just said “Random bullshit go!”
I'm so glad you are examining the worst of these characters
Please do Hans next
Not to defend the middle aged man that killed a young adult to further his revenge plot. But most people seem to forget that he DIDNT KNOW HIS DAUGHTER WAS STILL ALIVE. the whole point of the revenge plot is the fact that he tought she died, so he put the portal back together to give the billionare the "poetic justice" he saw fit. Form what i remember, he did mention he had a daughter when he met Hiro. I still dont think he's anything special, but its important to get the facts straight.
To me it felt like the whole portal dimension thing was built up for Baymax' sacrifice at the end to be neessary. The movie feels to me like it was written backwards, 'nurse robot sacrifice tearjerker moment' then they convoluted the plot to get to that end.
I think there is one thing you are forgetting. The core of this movie is Baymax helping Hiro grief the death of Tadashi, and not lose sight of what he stood for. And none of your points or suggestions seemed to have had that in mind. Yes, the villain needed more fleshing out, the twist definitely needed more build up, and the villains plan definitely needed more work, but if you're gonna change something, it has to be in service of the main characters' arc.
Having the villain be Tadashi would make even less sense because it wouldn't push Hiro's arc forward. It completely removes Hiro's need to grieve, and it would completely go against everything Baymax stands for. Changing Tadashi would require changing Baymax's entire reason for existing in the film.
As for Krei, Hiro already went in with the intention to capture him, not kill him, and it would not make any sense for Hiro to do a complete 180 and go "I'm actually gonna kill this person now.". Yes killing Krei could've been Hiro's motivation from the start, but you'd lose the friendship he forms with Baymax. Also sure, you could just write a scene where Krei taunts Hiro about Tadashi's death, but I think that would be a weaker and overdone reason for for Hiro to go completely against what Tadashi stood for than the complete and utter betrayal he felt with Callaghan.
Callagan's betrayal, in concept, makes sense because it pushes Hiro and Baymax's story forward. It challenges Hiro, and completely flips his world upside down. The man that motivated him to make the Microbots in the first place is the reason why his brother died. And it's the fact that Callaghan let Tadashi die, even though he went there to save Callaghan, that sets Hiro off the edge to the point he would remove Tadashi's chip from Baymax, and order him to take someone's life, completely going against Tadashi's programming, leading his friends and Baymax to remind him what Tadashi really wanted for him, and Hiro coming through and honoring his brother's wishes of using his talents to save others in the end.
I completely agree
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Something that also bothers me is how the movie tries to make Callaghan into a sympathetic villain but the guy legit had no empathy for Hiro suffering a similar loss to him, or even that said loss was also a beloved student of his ("That was his mistake").
Something like this maybe could have still been pulled off if they didn't just have Callaghan make a full 180 in characterization the moment he's outed as the villain. At least they could have addressed that hypocrisy and not brushed it off.
I feel like the moment could have been better had he said something that showed regret, but worded in a way that Hiro assumed he was blaming Tadashi.
another point with Callahan stealing the microbots is that he could've just asked Hiro to see one and study how it works.
doesn't it set up that he's some big shot robotics expert? it makes perfect sense that he'd be curious about them and Hiro would probably just be like "whoa, he wants to look at my tech!"
though you are correct about him just shooting Cray if he really doesn't care.
I have to heavily disagree with you on making Tadashi the culprit. Not only does that go completely against the themes of the movie, but it honestly makes even less sense for Tadashi to do this. With Callahan, as badly written as his turn is, his deal is that he’s meant to be a foil to Hiro. Being sort of a dark reflection on who Hiro could’ve become had he let his grief consume him and had he taken a darker path. We even see hints of that darker side to Hiro when he tries to have Baymax kill him. Callahan, though, did let his grief consume him and that lead to him taking the path that he took. Do I think it was done perfectly well? No not really. And if you want my opinion on how I’d fix Callahan, I’d say give him more hints to his turn. Like maybe tell Hiro about his daughter or something, and then it would recontexualize the scene in the lab where they all watch the video and Hiro points out “hey that was his daughter Callahan told me about her”. Also, remove the “that was his mistake” line, or at the very least, reword it in someway to still make Hiro trying to kill him work.
I was on the fence at first, but you made a lot of good points. Now I'm forever gonna pine for a version of BH6 with Yokai Tadashi
You and Raisorblade would get along in this regard. 0:40
Having Tadashi be Yokai is a bit of a double edged sword. On one hand, making him the villain could damage the arc of Hiro and his grief, but it would also make it more tragic. I can see the potential, but there would have to be some things changed about Tadashi before the fire to make it flow a bit better, otherwise it’s a similar issue with Callaghan seemingly deciding to be evil.
Also, Tadashi’s death is kinda stupid. He chose to run into a burning building, while it’s admirable… he is not a firefighter. Anyone who charges into a fire without any gear or training is just asking to die a tragic death designed for character motivation
Years later? More like months. And the whole course of the movie after is likely only days to a couple weeks.
Callahan is *not* evil. Twisted by grief that all that matters is destroying everything that Kray cares about, yes. But not evil. And that is why he destroys the "office". To expose Kray's lax standards of safety and to cause such financial damage that with the tarnished reputation the thing that Kray seems to care about to pouring all his energy into will never recover. Believing a man is responsible for the death of your child yet faces no consequences can drive a man to do very, very bad things.
Perhaps the issue is more a lack of runtime. Keep things mostly the same, but slowly feed in the fact that Callahan had a daughter that was a test pilot died in a testing accident. Then tie the symbol to Kraytech's secretive labs as a transportation system. Then that the project was shut down after a test pilot was lost and the building nearly destroyed. Along the way, keep up the thread of a potential industrial sabatage. And hey.... why not have some subtle hints that Yokai might be Tadashi. Make it more mystery than twist villain. Then, when the test footage turns up the last link falls into place.
Actually Callahan mentions his daughter in the first time he meets Hiro, and when he talks about Krei to Hiro st the competition , he says he shouldn’t trust Krei with anything while his voice sounds angry and he glares at Krei at this moment. So there are hints to his twist as the villain before it happens, it’s just more subtle.
That still doesn't come close to foreshadowing that he's a literal supervillain.
@@Duothimir true, but it does give a subtle hint to his motives and hatred for Krei. You have to look for it but it is there. It doesn’t say obviously he’s the villain, but it hints that there is more to him than his seemingly gentle demeanor.
@@SiriusGalilei And then he's gone for 90% of the movie. We get barely any time to know him or what he's like, just the Yokai identity who's a mysterious bogeyman.
Actually, we did know that Callaghan had a daughter early into the movie. However, it was a single one off line so inconsequential that it’s easy to miss. When Hiro first meets the professor, Callaghan mentions that his daughter was also once into robot fighting. That’s it. Nothing to suggest that she’s presumed dead.
The story can still be somewhat fixed with Callaghan as Yokai.
I'm admittedly not a writer, but I do have some understanding of how one can make a villain you're meant to understand consistent, and even have the audience feel bad for them, as well as not leave 0 indication that they could be the villain before the reveal.
The way to do this is to change 3 things:
Have him be more careful with the destruction of the building, waiting until it seems like everyone's out before triggering an explosion manually (revealed during the flashback).
Before the reveal, have him go out of his way to avoid endangering the group and making sure Hiro isn't seriously injured once or twice, hell, even have him go out of his way to save him.
Have him not be so cold about Tadashi, and show through his expression when it's revealed Tadashi died trying to save him that he genuinely feels bad about it, and then he channels this into more hatred towards Krei and becomes even more determined to kill him, since Krei is atleast partially to blame for Abigail being lost, and that's what caused Callaghan to snap.
This would fix the biggest problem people have with him as a person (he did to Hiro what Krei did to him, yet is ignorant and does not hold himself accountable), and actually give the audiende a clue that he might not be Krei, who is the most obvious suspect at first.
I think my biggest problem with Yokai is that he's undercooked and not given enough time to explain why he's doing all of this during his reveal (even though I personally think he's one of the more better twist villains, but no where on the levels or Commander Rourke, Stinky Pete, and Waternoose, but better than Hans and especially Bellwether).
To be fair to Callaghan in defense, there's a clue early on where Callaghan has his own grudge with Krei. Callaghan knew that he needed Hiro's micro bots to execute his plan of revenge on Krei, despite Krei also wanted Hiro's micro bots but he refuses Krei's offer before the fire went down. I think that the reveal scene should've taken the time to go a little further into his reasoning of becoming the twist villain of the movie, aside how he survived. Perhaps explain why Callaghan wanted the micro bots more as he struggled to come up with a ideal weapon for his revenge on Krei and thought it was time to take action against Krei with the upcoming opening of his new campus. After all, since Krei took something away from Callaghan, it makes sense for Callaghan to do the same to Krei.
Another thing is that bugs me is how he's unsympathetic and inhuman toward his students, to Hiro and his response to Tadashi's death. Again in defense, had Callaghan shown his weakness of caring for his students, that would've secretly raised red flags for him, even if they suspect that he is Krei.
In a fanfic story of Big Hero 6 I'm working on, he should be completely unaware that Tadashi died and that he was responsible for his death. He claims responsibility, truly feels guilty, and is extremely sorry and apologetic towards Hiro, but also points out that he's not the only one who lost someone they cared for, which is why he's doing all of this. Hiro acts emotional by having Baymax as the murderer to Callaghan, and will act as a bit of reflection showing that he's better than that. But later on at the opening when Callaghan planed on destroying not only Krei's campus but also killing him as well, Krei couldn't help but make things worse after when Hiro talks some sense into him.
Now given what I mentioned (by the way, let me know what you think of the changes that could've make Callaghan a better twist villain), I would personally love to see the return of fully fleshed out villains of the past. I enjoy villains like Scar, Jafar, Frollo, Yzma, Maleficent, Lady Tremaine, Gaston, because they we got to know them from the beginning to the end. Now that's not to say I don't like some of the twist villains Disney and Pixar have made, I do like some of them, it's just that recently that's getting really tiring and old as villains of recent Disney movies haven't been all that great, and especially fall flat compare to the heroes with the twist reveals.
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I remember watching the film with my brother and immediately when the scientist walked in I leaned over to my brother guessing, “He’s the bad guy.”
I was kind of hoping it’d end up being the older brother because of how easy it was to see it coming.
I do like Yokai's design & the creativity with the microbots I think if he was kept mute & the mask stayed on. It would make a good Boba fett type of villain, & by not revealing the villain it changes up the twist villain formula. (Also Tadashi would have been a better choice for the statements u said, it would be also been a pay off for Baymax repeating the line "Tadashi is here" & him revealing he did DNA match).
Kalahan as a chef when a waiter asks which person needed a steak: THAT WAS HIS STEAK!
honestly I don't mind Callahan being the twist completely, it does make sense that he doesnt like cray for sending his daughter to who knows where and that "hes looking for the perfect opportunity to strike" but at that point why not just hire some assassin from the back ally or something, the fact he didn't check if his daughter was even still alive still baffles me too.
If Challaghan really had to be the villain, I would have made it this way: first off, Hiro gives the microbots to Cray, despite Callaghan's warnings, in exchange for a lot of money (his family is not rich, after all). Due to this, the professor decides to destroy them, so that Cray can't have them, but accidentally causes the fire which kills Tadashi, but not before Hiro, who had seen he was acting suspicious, followed him to a secret room and watched part of the video of the experiment with the professor's daughter and put it on a usb drive. Also, I would give Callahan's daughter the codename 'Yokai', to explain why the professor took it later. Anyways, after the twist, Hiro finishes the video and realises that Callahan wants to recreate the portals and send Cray-not his building-into the mysterious dimension thingy, to get revenge for his daughter.
Even in spite of the fact that he is considered one of the worst twist villains by Disney, he is somehow still a better and less frustrating twist villain than lightyears
People have memed "that was his mistake" to hell and back, and for good reason. They set up this clear dichotomy between the hero and villain; both Hiro and Callaghan are grieving lost loved ones. Callaghan goes ballistic trying to destroy Krei's life bc he blames him for losing his daughter. But when confronted by Hiro who calls out how--by his own logic--he is now to blame for Hiro losing his brother, he just says "well he shouldn't have tried to save me from the deadly situation I created" (which he totally didn't need to create btw~). So by his own logic ig it was his daughter's mistake choosing to go into that machine and Krei isn't at fault lol. ig the point is that Callaghan's supposed to be crazy or a hypocrite or whatever, but they make Callghan 180 harder than Prince Hans, dude. all time spent establishing him feels it meant nothing, aside from him making it clear how much he dislikes Krei. like u said, it felt like they cared abt more abt shocking the audience than what made sense and/or fit the narrative...
I liked ur idea of Tadashi being the villain; on first viewing, I thought that was what the movie might do and was gonna be disappointed but it could've worked. And what they went with was worse
I think even as a kid, I could tell Krei was an obvious red herring for Callahan.
"THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE!"
**spits out water**
6:15 What makes that even funnier is that in the movie, Fred himself actually points this out.
I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing with you, but just to point out.
Kreah does say "I understand why you don't like me."
And before the Callahan says that his daughter was into botfighting when she was younger.
It’s such a shame too because he’s got such a good design (and the concept art is even cooler)
Really good twist villain in Disney?
King Andrias in “Amphibia”?
Actually, King Andrias was set up to be the villain from the start.
The only reason I like Yokai more than Hans is the "his mistake" line, because it was so pure evil.
well, atleast we get the meme of "That was his mistake"
"That was his miss's steak!"
When me and my brother were chatting about BH6 all while playing resident evil, I told him how I probably would’ve written the villain:
So yokai is more of a grey character than the main antagonist and the explosion was the final straw for him after finding out that the man Hiro rejected had henchman set it off.
The man has tested on many other people before exploiting their success to the rich and Callahan’s daughter also fell victim to his experiments and died. Callaghan after being revealed never blamed Hiro’s brother for trying to save him but instead says “I understand you Hiro, but there’s a bigger enemy than me.”
Hiro doesn’t accept this and tries to kill Callanhan before he’d escape. Hiro is captured and are challenged to survive in a secret collosuem with other engineers competing to survive.
Callanhan disrupts and technically (saves Hiro) last minute as he begins to tear everything down to make the portal with his microbots and then carries the line “you took everything from me, now I’ll take everything FROM YOU.”
Instead of his daughter being rescued (cause i want her to stay dead) it’s Callahan that both Hiro and Baymax save. 0:17
Idk of this would’ve been better or worse, but anything is better than the cheap crap Disney had done to this movie. Just because it’s a movie for kids doesn’t excuse shit writing
something I've never liked about this guy (I forget his name) is how he responded when Hiro confronted him about how Tadashi sacrificed himself to try and save him, and what was his response to hearing that one of his students that he cared so much for sacrificed himself for him? "That was his mistake". fucking excuse me?! where did that animosity towards one of, if not his top student come from?! it makes absolutely no sense for him to be so careless and remorseless about how he caused the death of someone he cared about. I do not care if the people who wrote the story did it for shock value. it was never hinted at that there would be any kind of animosity towards his students. in fact, the movie hinted at the OPPOSITE. why the fuck would he have this attitude about Tadashi dying trying to save him?! it makes no sense and destroys what little potential he had as a twist villain
I never thought about how much cooler it would’ve been if Tadashi was the villain, but hearing this explanation, it makes complete sense now.
Tadashi doesn't need to steal from the burning building. The montage shows Tadashi and the others helping Hiro gather all the little bots and take them to the expo. Tadashi could have pocketed one at any point. He and Hiro literally share a room. Thus it makes perfect sense for him to be able to make more since he was there throughout the creation process.