Broken heart over this. The church has not been willing to see clearly, and the shaking is going to get more severe. Anchor in Christ everyone. He’s our Rock, and each heart has to decide where he stands.
I heard Him saying in my dream two nights ago. He said, everlasting life is more precious than the things in this world. And then i heard a music a music that i never heard before like a five second music. So alive!
Hopefully IHOP will commission an independent, 3rd party organization to conduct a fair and impartial review. I’m confident they will do just that. Until then, these are unproven allegations. Innocent until proven guilty needs to be our standard. Blessings to you and your wonderful ministry.
@@paula100762 there are yet to be proven victims. … if you genuinely care about the victims. Why don’t you follow the investigation to find out the true. Anyone can declare I’m a victim. Quit going to college on the freaking internet. I was a victim of other assailants … what about the victims. It’s just social media and internet CRAP. Get a life. Follow the source if your genuine.
Be careful… the whole story is not out! 2 of the women whose names were included have publicly said these things never happened to them and couldn’t understand why someone would include them
The hardest part is that "baby Christians" hold the leadership on pedestals, and when they fall to sin, the weakest fall too, because they did not build up a personal relationship with God!
You are so right! People put too much in leadership and do not know the word! We should always question and do our own research to make sure it is of God and not of flesh
The IHOP situation could also be an attack on the "house of prayer". There will surely be attacks against righteous leaders as well as exposures of corrupt ones.
And if its true its still an attack on them. If strong leaders can fall,what does that say for us. We need up our prayers for leaders...lead us not into temptation....
2 women have already come forward to say they never were sexually harassed or assaulted, they think one might be credible from 26 years ago, but that’s probably up in the air, and a third party has been brought in to investigate, I DO believe that God is shaking IHOPKC but it might very well be staff below Mike Bickle, or someone trying to frame him! Time will tell, but when they first made their statement they said “numerous women” over “decades” they better produce that information or it becomes very much a Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas situation.
It says these ministries are fundamentally flawed. There's no way (if true) that nobody at IHOP knew about this. They knew about it, were complicit, and it was set up to facilitate this behavior.
This is such a good, important, balanced word. Really appreciate the heart posture in all you shared as much as the very important message. Thank you!!!
Yes, actually called and anointed walking in love and humility. Far too many claiming the title of apostle or prophet but no calling or anointing. We need true servant leaders in the church just like we need true servant leaders in the government.
Broken, disturbed and appalled over all that's being exposed. I pray by God's mercy He will expose all the darkness in us and purify the Church as a spotless Bride worthy of His name.
We need to shift our focus towards the victims and their restoration. It’s time to grow up and toughen up and stop defending leaders that we have made into idols. May we start to see the fear of the Lord in our church leaderships.
This is a call to pray for those in authority to be protected by the schemes of the enemy, for he wants to destroy the body of Christ when shepherds enter into paths of evil. It brings a falling away from God when “pastors” entertain sin. Thank you Wanda for this warning!
You are spot on it’s about the covenant. We have not kept the covenant with God, you only need to Look at the state of the world. We have been bad stewards. I have been praying and prophesying that God will expose all the evil in the church. It’s not good enough we have disrespected him so much. Clean up your church Father so that Jesus can come back to a church with out spot or blemish. God loves us so much that he won’t allow us to stay the same. It’s only in Covenant relationship that we can really stand together. We need the fear of the Lord and the holiness of God. Blessings to everyone.
I have been given Proverbs Ch26 vs 24-25 in various dreams. People have stored up deception in their hearts and covered the hatred inside with words glossed over with flattery but their wickedness is about to be revealed publicly..
APPALACHIAN GIRL HERE, SOUTHWEST VA. I AM A OVERCOMER OF SUCH VICTIMIZED...IT TRULY OVERSHADOWED MY ENTIRE LIFE..ONLY THE LORD WAS ABLE TO COMPLETELY HEAL AND GIVE REVELATION
God Bless you honey, Jesus is the answer 🙏 to all our problems 🙏, I ❤ you so much. Our experiences are the same, but Jesus erases all evil experiences 🙏. Live in Today, look forward to Tomorrow, forget Yesterday. ❤ 🎉 😅 ❤ 🎉 😅 ❤ 🎉 😊
Good morning Wanda. This was an eye opening teaching an well explained. When I heard of this latest church exposure I must say I was judge mental. Forgive me Father God, in Jesus’ name. 🙏🏻I pray for all leaders in the Church and those closest to them for healings and restoration in Jesus’ name. Amen + Amen🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you for addressing a critical and for many, controversial issue. Your wisdom and spiritual maturity is needed in this season and I appreciate the gifts and anointing with which you have been bestowed. All glory and honor to our Lord! Help us to rightly represent You and the Kingdom 🙌❤
Thank you, Wanda, for addressing this situation with dignity, love and redemption. Thank you for pointing the Body of Christ to clarity, truth, and purpose in situations as this. Thank you for your boldness to speak out and give guidance.
Yes, holiness and love. I believe there is a strong emphasis in this season in seeking his righteousness in our own life and moving from his heart of love towards even our enemies
Hi Wanda, as I chose continuous to listen today where I left off in this recording, I'm amazed at the timing when I heard you said the word 'integrity' and 'character' first in spite of how anointed they are because this really affirms what I been saying to people for so many months on end. I strongly agree that these traits are greatly lacking in the prophetic and charismatic spaces. I also agree with walking in love as much as holiness in regard to the fear of the Lord. I also got shown that how we deliver the message will help others to receive it better in the name of peace. What I hear from you is so similar to what I have been hearing from Him. To God be all the glory! Bless you 💖
Wanda, this is a very good word. Decades ago I did word study on marriage, covenant and friendship. And there similarities I did this way before I had a computer or a wordprocessor (I hope a spelled it right). I wrote it all in longhand. It took a while to do. Thanks again Wanda ❤😊 From Kingsville, Ohio 🎉 😀 ❤ 👏
1st time watching... Thank you for reminding us to be serious about obeying the LORD... One little sin can lead to more deadly sins and being blotted out of the Book of Life... I'm to the point that I don't trust any pastors or priests... Churches I stopped going to seem to drain the people not fill them with Holy Spirit... False prophets are rising up everywhere these days...
1 Peter 4:17 - For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
We don't know all the circumstances that led to the allegations, nor all the people involved and we may never know. Only God knows all of the facts. But my first question was, "is this the enemy trying to tear apart another body of Christ?" Of course it is! That's what he does, using humans to do his dirty work. Therefore, I will refrain from forming an opinion and choose to pray against the plans of the enemy. I pray for the Lord to reveal the truth. I pray that, no matter what, none of the new believers will turn from their new-found faith over the situation. I pray against all unfounded rumors and gossip. I pray for truth and justice. I pray for all who are affected by this matter. That is all I can do. I will not spread "my opinion" of the people involved. To do so would be the same as gossiping. I place my faith in God and in His love, His mercy and His justice.
Thank you Wanda, you have just confirmed something I need to do in God’s grace and with His love. I have to confront a dear friend with a sinful situation she is living with. It has been heavy on my heart. We have been friends for many years and I envied that her whole family was saved…parents, husband, children, brothers, sisters etc. I had never met such a family! Her & her husband have been my best friends, serving in leadership together until his death several years ago. That is how close we have been & still are, in a sense. She has withdrawn a bit since losing her precious husband. I do have the responsibility to place this before her & the Lord has given me scripture. I pray that she accepts with humility & repentance. I pray her relationship with our Lord is restored. Thank you for your timely word. May God continue to bless your ministry. ♥️🙏🏻
This is so true no matter the leader of many or the leader of few… The deception on that individual walking thru the immorality actually believe that it is only affecting them. THAT is where the deception is.
Prayers need to focused on the congregation! Many have connected their Christian life with their church community. I know MANY people who have left Christianity because of members. Ghandi's famous quote:" Christianity's biggest hindrance in India is Christians." We ALL need to get back to following Jesus's example.
I have never understood if the Lord Jesus Himself said that His House would be a house of prayer and He is ever at the right hand of the Father interceding, why we, the church for the most part, do not gather to pray.
Yes. Even when I had strayed from the Lord, my gifts were still used by Him to help others. I was shown, in detail and on two separate occasions, that someone's children were in harm's way. Both took immediate action and stopped the pedophiles from harming their daughters. That is how good our Lord is! And I'm forever grateful that I found my way back to serving Him. This is why I believe that He can change those of us who are willing, so that our character can once again line up with the giftings He bestowed on us. This is why I believe He will forgive a repentant person.
God will never ignore the harm to one of his lambs in favor of a bigger picture. If you cannot focus on the pain of the victims, you have done nothing for God. If you think that God is going to move onto the bigger picture, you don’t know God either.
That was not the point of this message. When allegations are proven true, victims are first and foremost. Watch IHOP's latest update and see how they are providing even the accusers a safe place to be heard. th-cam.com/video/4R1NvYR621c/w-d-xo.html
I’m saddened by all as usually where 32:51 there’s smoke there is fire. Everyone can be forgiven. But to whom much is given much is required as it is possible for them to lead others astray. But we should look to Jesus out Chief Shepherd and the lover of our souls. He will not lead us in a path of unrighteousness .
Interesting that the bible says 'signs following' instead of leading... it puts signs in their right place, so that intimacy with God and fellowship with others can have the lead 🔥 ❤🔥
What about the victims? THEY are the ones who are really suffering. THEY are the ones who have been shamed. THEIR families suffer with them. The church should care for THEM first of all. Disappointed with the so called leaders.
True anointing is Holy as it comes from the Holy Spirit, and Jesus who is the anointing. I think it is a misnomer to refer to operating in giftedness as the anointing. Jesus addressed this in Matthew 7 when he spoke of those operating in great signs and wonders but them being workers of iniquity. He says he never knew them, I believe because His life was not fully operating in them, through surrender. He is the anointing, operating through us, as we die to self and allow ourselves to be crucified with him. (GAL. 2:20)
These women are awesome (if the allegations are true). The inner strength to stand up to the Pope of the charismatic world is remarkable. So few have the courage to do what they did. It was so difficult but they stood up for righteousness.
But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. ... You continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness so that the man of GOD may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
This is a warning to all leaders to step down and get healed or God will expose them for He will have a pure and spotless Bride! I pray others who are in leadership and harming the sheep that the fear of the Lord will come upon them and turn from their wicked ways and get healed! Our hearts belong to Him and He wants it to be a garden of purity! This is the time of the Great Awakening and this exposure will surely happen!🇨🇦
Love you Wanda, but can't agree. when I gave my life to Jesus and became His bondservant, there is no church greater. It is the greatest covenant you can have. If I join a church, then I come under a lesser authority and possibly errant doctrine. I was at a church for 4 years and joined a healing team. The first night out we prayed and people were healed. The next day I was told I couldn't be on the team any longer unless I became a member.
Yes, there are unhealthy examples of this, but please consider the larger issue. We have had numerous folks come into our congregation wanting a leadership role with no intention of really sticking around. Many simply want to build their own platform or ministry. We certainly don't require membership for folks to join in a ministry or use their gifts. We draw the line at a leadership level. If they want that kind of influence in our body, we want it to come out of a mutual love for the church family and a commitment to walk together, even through tough times.
I wrote this on my Fb page on 10/27 before the news of this came out. A number of years ago the Holy Spirit said to me, “Our Heavenly Father’s rod is as much a part of His love as His staff is”. Since then, I’ve seen this truth play out in my own life, as well as the lives of those around me. Part of the ‘rod’ we experience comes in the form of consequences for our choices. It seems harsh and unfair sometimes, but if we consider the possible consequences before we make a choice, it might keep us from stepping forward into foolishness and sin. May we choose wisely, in big decisions am small, alike…connecting the dots between choices we make and consequences that follow. His rod and His staff will comfort us when we do. Blessed Friday ❤️❤️❤️
Another element of membership is to get bank loans. There is nothing wrong with that but what it membership means and represents may vary between congregations.
Yes it is alarming. However, now (11/16/23) they're saying that most of the allegations were found to be untrue. When I first heard the allegations I thought something was not accurate about them. Now a great deal of harm has happened and Mike's reputation has been ruined. Sad indeed. What is even sadder? It has harmed all of the wonderful ministries that Mike began.
This is why Nathan prophets are not welcome in the church by pastors covering their sin. Prayer people are replaced by boards and elders who run the church like a business. Jesus is not the head of the church.
Dear Wanda, For some reason I always thought a prophet was called by God and they just operated in the prophetic gifts because they had a special relationship with God. I was not aware someone could be trained to be a prophet Am I wrong? I want to be on fire for the Lord. I want to know his heart and see people’s lives changed for good. Can he use a 73 year old woman for anything?
In Ephesians 4:11 it says that Jesus gave fivefold ministers to the church in order to equip the saints for the work of ministry. Thus, the calling to be an apostle, prophet, teacher, etc. is a specific call to leadership in order to equip the saints. However, all can hear from the Lord and prophesy (1 Corinthians 14:5). The "training" is to help hear from the Lord more accurately and rightly interpret and apply the prophetic insights received. Plus, those who ARE called to a fivefold ministry can also be trained in their effectiveness and impact. Blessings!
Age has NOTHING to do with our relationship with the Lord. Most saints in the Old Testament, were up in years, before they did anything with their calling!!! So, if you belong to Christ, HE CAN AND WILL USE YOU IN HIS KINGDOM!!!
Don’t focus on the man, focus on God’s word…God will clean his house just like we do, letting go of bad relationships because of unbecoming behavior until they do an about face…tooo simple but effective.
2 Tim 3:6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
I seriously suspect the allegation. The letter from the board of members seem like they have malicious intentions. Because the letter starts with how Pastor Mike Bickle didn't cooperate with them. It's kind of accusing him. If they had no wrong intention, they would have stated it differently like, "we are trying our best to discuss with Mike. But he is kind of not able to cooperate with us now". Secondly, I also heard a board of member was continually sending articles on, "who is victim?" to a woman worship leader. That leader asked the member to stop sending such articles and openly confessed she is not a victim and Mike is a godly man. Dear people, don't you all understand that the board of members have tried to pursued some women to convince that they have been abused so that they could carry out their malicious intention. According to my observation, it must a false allegation. You can share your comments below.
🤕the bride lack her mentorship and her elders.. she has become handicapped not having all her limbs at place. Single led leadership often open doors for funny stuff entering. And cleansing must take place. We must correct eachother. And a ministry like 24/7 praying is NEEDED. So I hope some others step in and same time check up on the musicians to keep continuity of what has been rigged for..🍃 they're on salary. Level of sanity of a ministry is often shown during worship
That is why we pray for the Lord's judgement and justice. We not only have no point of reference, but we also don't have all the facts. That is why we trust in Him. From your post, I gather that you, or someone close to you, have/has been victimized and my heart breaks for you/them. I know how that feels. It took decades for me to realize that every time I felt the pain and anger, I was allowing the victimizer to continue to hurt me. I chose to be a victor, instead of a victim, by CHOOSING to forgive him. It took many years of me repeating the words, "I forgive", before I actually FELT that forgiveness. Then, one day decades later, when satan tried to bring the pain back, I realized that it was gone! Completely gone! My forgiveness of that man actually brought healing to ME! I pray that you will find that same healing for yourself. Many of the things Jesus taught carry more than one blessing. Not only are we to forgive as we are forgiven, but we are also spiritually healed when we forgive. The victim becomes the victor!
You implied that allegations against Mike Bickle were part of God cleansing His church when nothing has been proven against him. Do you believe in innocent until proven guilty or are you implying God indicated it is true?
"allegation. n. a statement of claimed fact contained in a complaint (a written pleading filed to begin a lawsuit), a criminal charge, or an affirmative defense (part of the written answer to a complaint). Until each statement is proved it is only an allegation." That last sentence means that once the statements are proven to be true, they become facts. "Allegation" does NOT mean that the statements were lies, or as you stated, "ain't none of it true..." It means that statements have yet to be proven. If they are proven to be true, then they become facts in the case and are no longer allegations. In other words, at this point, we don't know what is or isn't true and should not sit in judgement.
Broken heart over this. The church has not been willing to see clearly, and the shaking is going to get more severe. Anchor in Christ everyone. He’s our Rock, and each heart has to decide where he stands.
Yes , God is cleaning, the house but I would say stand with him and them in prayer not choosing sides. I choose God's side and mercy.
We need to be praying for the women who have been victimized!
I heard Him saying in my dream two nights ago. He said, everlasting life is more precious than the things in this world. And then i heard a music a music that i never heard before like a five second music. So alive!
I pray for the Nathans-called and positioned to confront Davids to say, “Thou art the man!”
Hopefully IHOP will commission an independent, 3rd party organization to conduct a fair and impartial review. I’m confident they will do just that. Until then, these are unproven allegations. Innocent until proven guilty needs to be our standard. Blessings to you and your wonderful ministry.
They already have. To keep up with the process watch Forerunner Church.
What about the victims?!
@@paula100762 there are yet to be proven victims. … if you genuinely care about the victims. Why don’t you follow the investigation to find out the true. Anyone can declare I’m a victim. Quit going to college on the freaking internet. I was a victim of other assailants … what about the victims. It’s just social media and internet CRAP. Get a life. Follow the source if your genuine.
What if there are no real victims.
What if there is a "me too movement" in the church of Christ.
Be careful… the whole story is not out! 2 of the women whose names were included have publicly said these things never happened to them and couldn’t understand why someone would include them
Stephen Strang has good intel regarding this
Thanks! I paused Wanda's video and went and watched the one you recommended.
Thank you for sharing this.
The hardest part is that "baby Christians" hold the leadership on pedestals, and when they fall to sin, the weakest fall too, because they did not build up a personal relationship with God!
AMEN AND AMEN. 🙏 so very true, sadly
You are so right! People put too much in leadership and do not know the word! We should always question and do our own research to make sure it is of God and not of flesh
The IHOP situation could also be an attack on the "house of prayer". There will surely be attacks against righteous leaders as well as exposures of corrupt ones.
And if its true its still an attack on them. If strong leaders can fall,what does that say for us. We need up our prayers for leaders...lead us not into temptation....
2 women have already come forward to say they never were sexually harassed or assaulted, they think one might be credible from 26 years ago, but that’s probably up in the air, and a third party has been brought in to investigate, I DO believe that God is shaking IHOPKC but it might very well be staff below Mike Bickle, or someone trying to frame him! Time will tell, but when they first made their statement they said “numerous women” over “decades” they better produce that information or it becomes very much a Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas situation.
It says these ministries are fundamentally flawed.
There's no way (if true) that nobody at IHOP knew about this. They knew about it, were complicit, and it was set up to facilitate this behavior.
This is such a good, important, balanced word. Really appreciate the heart posture in all you shared as much as the very important message. Thank you!!!
Thank you sister! Sound and wise advice. Judgement starts at the house of the Lord!
Yes, actually called and anointed walking in love and humility. Far too many claiming the title of apostle or prophet but no calling or anointing. We need true servant leaders in the church just like we need true servant leaders in the government.
Broken, disturbed and appalled over all that's being exposed. I pray by God's mercy He will expose all the darkness in us and purify the Church as a spotless Bride worthy of His name.
Yes!!! Lord make me yours, fully holy and purified !❤
We need to shift our focus towards the victims and their restoration. It’s time to grow up and toughen up and stop defending leaders that we have made into idols. May we start to see the fear of the Lord in our church leaderships.
This is a call to pray for those in authority to be protected by the schemes of the enemy, for he wants to destroy the body of Christ when shepherds enter into paths of evil. It brings a falling away from God when “pastors” entertain sin. Thank you Wanda for this warning!
You are spot on it’s about the covenant. We have not kept the covenant with God, you only need to
Look at the state of the world. We have been bad stewards. I have been praying and prophesying that God will expose all the evil in the church. It’s not good enough we have disrespected him so much. Clean up your church Father so that Jesus can come back to a church with out spot or blemish. God loves us so much that he won’t allow us to stay the same. It’s only in Covenant relationship that we can really stand together. We need the fear of the Lord and the holiness of God. Blessings to everyone.
Beautifully spoken, Wanda. We plead Mercy over the situation.
Thank you Wanda! This teaching is needed for the body of Christ.
I have been given Proverbs Ch26 vs 24-25 in various dreams. People have stored up deception in their hearts and covered the hatred inside with words glossed over with flattery but their wickedness is about to be revealed publicly..
APPALACHIAN GIRL HERE, SOUTHWEST VA. I AM A OVERCOMER OF SUCH VICTIMIZED...IT TRULY OVERSHADOWED MY ENTIRE LIFE..ONLY THE LORD WAS ABLE TO COMPLETELY HEAL AND GIVE REVELATION
God Bless you honey, Jesus is the answer 🙏 to all our problems 🙏, I ❤ you so much. Our experiences are the same, but Jesus erases all evil experiences 🙏. Live in Today, look forward to Tomorrow, forget Yesterday. ❤ 🎉 😅 ❤ 🎉 😅 ❤ 🎉 😊
Thank you for your wisdom. Your teaching is hand in hand with what Johnny Enloe taught on Elijah Streams this Monday, Nov.6.
Thank You, Thank You, Wanda. So grateful the Lord Yeshua has a servant actually speaking to His Body and bride about this matter
So grateful
FATHER HELP US LIVE OUR LIVES PLEASING TO YOU!!! WE ALL MUST LOOK AT OURSELVES WHERE WE'VE FALLEN SHORT!!
Yes thank you so much for bringing honor to his name the integrity of character is so important to his name holiness. Jesus
Good morning Wanda. This was an eye opening teaching an well explained. When I heard of this latest church exposure I must say I was judge mental. Forgive me Father God, in Jesus’ name. 🙏🏻I pray for all leaders in the Church and those closest to them for healings and restoration in Jesus’ name.
Amen + Amen🙏🏻🙏🏻
Godly insight. Praise God for your call for prayer. Godly word!
Thank you for addressing a critical and for many, controversial issue. Your wisdom and spiritual maturity is needed in this season and I appreciate the gifts and anointing with which you have been bestowed. All glory and honor to our Lord! Help us to rightly represent You and the Kingdom 🙌❤
Praying protection and perseverance for all the youth at IHOP regardless of leadership innocence or guilt. Look to Jesus
So enjoy your wisdom Wanda and your thoughtful awareness of our times.
I pray for those who are accusing those who follow Christ. God forgive those who lie and accuse.
What an important and timely message. I pray that we all hear it all the way down deep within our hearts. Thank you Wanda.
💯to all of it!!
Yessssss
Thank you, Wanda, for addressing this situation with dignity, love and redemption. Thank you for pointing the Body of Christ to clarity, truth, and purpose in situations as this. Thank you for your boldness to speak out and give guidance.
So good Wanda! A beautiful way to speak into what is going on in the Church!! Praying for accountability and restoration!
Yes, holiness and love. I believe there is a strong emphasis in this season in seeking his righteousness in our own life and moving from his heart of love towards even our enemies
Hi Wanda, as I chose continuous to listen today where I left off in this recording, I'm amazed at the timing when I heard you said the word 'integrity' and 'character' first in spite of how anointed they are because this really affirms what I been saying to people for so many months on end. I strongly agree that these traits are greatly lacking in the prophetic and charismatic spaces. I also agree with walking in love as much as holiness in regard to the fear of the Lord. I also got shown that how we deliver the message will help others to receive it better in the name of peace. What I hear from you is so similar to what I have been hearing from Him. To God be all the glory! Bless you 💖
As I listen I realize there is an artificial ness to relating to one another..formal..mechanical.. God deliver us..love and blessings 🕊️❤
Wanda, this is a very good word.
Decades ago I did word study on marriage, covenant and friendship. And there similarities I did this way before I had a computer or a wordprocessor (I hope a spelled it right). I wrote it all in longhand. It took a while to do.
Thanks again Wanda ❤😊 From Kingsville, Ohio 🎉 😀 ❤ 👏
Yep! God is cleaning his Church.
1st time watching... Thank you for reminding us to be serious about obeying the LORD...
One little sin can lead to more deadly sins and being blotted out of the Book of Life...
I'm to the point that I don't trust any pastors or priests...
Churches I stopped going to seem to drain the people not fill them with Holy Spirit...
False prophets are rising up everywhere these days...
1 Peter 4:17 - For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
I started this year of 2023 asking God to help me to fear Him and Only Him .
That's a scary prayer, friend.
We don't know all the circumstances that led to the allegations, nor all the people involved and we may never know. Only God knows all of the facts. But my first question was, "is this the enemy trying to tear apart another body of Christ?" Of course it is! That's what he does, using humans to do his dirty work. Therefore, I will refrain from forming an opinion and choose to pray against the plans of the enemy. I pray for the Lord to reveal the truth. I pray that, no matter what, none of the new believers will turn from their new-found faith over the situation. I pray against all unfounded rumors and gossip. I pray for truth and justice. I pray for all who are affected by this matter. That is all I can do. I will not spread "my opinion" of the people involved. To do so would be the same as gossiping. I place my faith in God and in His love, His mercy and His justice.
Thank you Wanda, you have just confirmed something I need to do in God’s grace and with His love. I have to confront a dear friend with a sinful situation she is living with. It has been heavy on my heart. We have been friends for many years and I envied that her whole family was saved…parents, husband, children, brothers, sisters etc. I had never met such a family! Her & her husband have been my best friends, serving in leadership together until his death several years ago. That is how close we have been & still are, in a sense. She has withdrawn a bit since losing her precious husband. I do have the responsibility to place this before her & the Lord has given me scripture. I pray that she accepts with humility & repentance. I pray her relationship with our Lord is restored. Thank you for your timely word. May God continue to bless your ministry. ♥️🙏🏻
Lord Jesus help in this situation and give wisdom, blessing, Holy Spirit lead and most importantly love.
This is so true no matter the leader of many or the leader of few…
The deception on that individual walking thru the immorality actually believe that it is only affecting them. THAT is where the deception is.
Praying 🙏
Yes the church needs prayer to stand firm in God's word. Mot sugar coated religion. God bless you all.
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Prayers need to focused on the congregation! Many have connected their Christian life with their church community. I know MANY people who have left Christianity because of members.
Ghandi's famous quote:" Christianity's biggest hindrance in India is Christians."
We ALL need to get back to following Jesus's example.
I have never understood if the Lord Jesus Himself said that His House would be a house of prayer and He is ever at the right hand of the Father interceding, why we, the church for the most part, do not gather to pray.
13:00 Exactly what I prayed over w/Ravi's "exposure" 14:48
Gifting and character are different. Just because you are gifted doesn’t necessarily mean you have good character
Yes. Even when I had strayed from the Lord, my gifts were still used by Him to help others. I was shown, in detail and on two separate occasions, that someone's children were in harm's way. Both took immediate action and stopped the pedophiles from harming their daughters. That is how good our Lord is! And I'm forever grateful that I found my way back to serving Him. This is why I believe that He can change those of us who are willing, so that our character can once again line up with the giftings He bestowed on us. This is why I believe He will forgive a repentant person.
Good points! Thank you!
God will never ignore the harm to one of his lambs in favor of a bigger picture. If you cannot focus on the pain of the victims, you have done nothing for God. If you think that God is going to move onto the bigger picture, you don’t know God either.
That was not the point of this message. When allegations are proven true, victims are first and foremost. Watch IHOP's latest update and see how they are providing even the accusers a safe place to be heard. th-cam.com/video/4R1NvYR621c/w-d-xo.html
I’m saddened by all as usually where 32:51 there’s smoke there is fire. Everyone can be forgiven. But to whom much is given much is required as it is possible for them to lead others astray. But we should look to Jesus out Chief Shepherd and the lover of our souls. He will not lead us in a path of unrighteousness .
😢what’s deceptive is that the anointing stays with the person for awhile at least and causes sheep to stay past the time to flee.
Character😢 MUST BE FIRST...because we are deficit of FATHERS to trust
Interesting that the bible says 'signs following' instead of leading... it puts signs in their right place, so that intimacy with God and fellowship with others can have the lead 🔥 ❤🔥
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What about the victims? THEY are the ones who are really suffering. THEY are the ones who have been shamed. THEIR families suffer with them. The church should care for THEM first of all. Disappointed with the so called leaders.
True anointing is Holy as it comes from the Holy Spirit, and Jesus who is the anointing. I think it is a misnomer to refer to operating in giftedness as the anointing. Jesus addressed this in Matthew 7 when he spoke of those operating in great signs and wonders but them being workers of iniquity. He says he never knew them, I believe because His life was not fully operating in them, through surrender. He is the anointing, operating through us, as we die to self and allow ourselves to be crucified with him. (GAL. 2:20)
DO NOT MINIMIZE THE EFFECTS OF THIS DEGRADATION ON THE VICTIM
her word was not about the victim, The Lord put it in her heart to speak to the church about its purity,
These women are awesome (if the allegations are true). The inner strength to stand up to the Pope of the charismatic world is remarkable. So few have the courage to do what they did. It was so difficult but they stood up for righteousness.
I fear this scandal is more common than we think
But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
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You continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All Scripture is inspired by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness so that the man of GOD may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
This is a warning to all leaders to step down and get healed or God will expose them for He will have a pure and spotless Bride! I pray others who are in leadership and harming the sheep that the fear of the Lord will come upon them and turn from their wicked ways and get healed! Our hearts belong to Him and He wants it to be a garden of purity! This is the time of the Great Awakening and this exposure will surely happen!🇨🇦
Love you Wanda, but can't agree. when I gave my life to Jesus and became His bondservant, there is no church greater. It is the greatest covenant you can have. If I join a church, then I come under a lesser authority and possibly errant doctrine. I was at a church for 4 years and joined a healing team. The first night out we prayed and people were healed. The next day I was told I couldn't be on the team any longer unless I became a member.
That was not a Church of God, but a Cult. 😢 Sorry honey, pray that HOLY SPIRIT 🙏 Heals your Soul. ❤ ❤ ❤
Yes, there are unhealthy examples of this, but please consider the larger issue. We have had numerous folks come into our congregation wanting a leadership role with no intention of really sticking around. Many simply want to build their own platform or ministry. We certainly don't require membership for folks to join in a ministry or use their gifts. We draw the line at a leadership level. If they want that kind of influence in our body, we want it to come out of a mutual love for the church family and a commitment to walk together, even through tough times.
I wrote this on my Fb page on 10/27 before the news of this came out.
A number of years ago the Holy Spirit said to me, “Our Heavenly Father’s rod is as much a part of His love as His staff is”. Since then, I’ve seen this truth play out in my own life, as well as the lives of those around me. Part of the ‘rod’ we experience comes in the form of consequences for our choices. It seems harsh and unfair sometimes, but if we consider the possible consequences before we make a choice, it might keep us from stepping forward into foolishness and sin. May we choose wisely, in big decisions am small, alike…connecting the dots between choices we make and consequences that follow. His rod and His staff will comfort us when we do. Blessed Friday ❤️❤️❤️
Another element of membership is to get bank loans. There is nothing wrong with that but what it membership means and represents may vary between congregations.
Yes it is alarming. However, now (11/16/23) they're saying that most of the allegations were found to be untrue. When I first heard the allegations I thought something was not accurate about them. Now a great deal of harm has happened and Mike's reputation has been ruined. Sad indeed. What is even sadder? It has harmed all of the wonderful ministries that Mike began.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THIS TO BE EXPOSED AND DELT WITH BY THE OVERCOMER OF THE WICKEDNESS OF THE CHURCH
It appears my post was “rebuked”
This is why Nathan prophets are not welcome in the church by pastors covering their sin. Prayer people are replaced by boards and elders who run the church like a business. Jesus is not the head of the church.
thankfully, Jesus knows exactly how to build His Church though; He'll tear down what needs to be and rebuild. Those who do not yield= Ichabod
Dear Wanda,
For some reason I always thought a prophet was called by God and they just operated in the prophetic gifts because they had a special relationship with God. I was not aware someone could be trained to be a prophet Am I wrong?
I want to be on fire for the Lord. I want to know his heart and see people’s lives changed for good. Can he use a 73 year old woman for anything?
Good point. I believe you are correct as it pertains to the office of a prophet. However we can all learn to prophecy without being a prophet.
In Ephesians 4:11 it says that Jesus gave fivefold ministers to the church in order to equip the saints for the work of ministry. Thus, the calling to be an apostle, prophet, teacher, etc. is a specific call to leadership in order to equip the saints. However, all can hear from the Lord and prophesy (1 Corinthians 14:5). The "training" is to help hear from the Lord more accurately and rightly interpret and apply the prophetic insights received. Plus, those who ARE called to a fivefold ministry can also be trained in their effectiveness and impact. Blessings!
Age has NOTHING to do with our relationship with the Lord. Most saints in the Old Testament, were up in years, before they did anything with their calling!!! So, if you belong to Christ, HE CAN AND WILL USE YOU IN HIS KINGDOM!!!
Don’t focus on the man, focus on God’s word…God will clean his house just like we do, letting go of bad relationships because of unbecoming behavior until they do an about face…tooo simple but effective.
2 Tim 3:6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
MENE TEKEL
I seriously suspect the allegation. The letter from the board of members seem like they have malicious intentions. Because the letter starts with how Pastor Mike Bickle didn't cooperate with them. It's kind of accusing him. If they had no wrong intention, they would have stated it differently like, "we are trying our best to discuss with Mike. But he is kind of not able to cooperate with us now". Secondly, I also heard a board of member was continually sending articles on, "who is victim?" to a woman worship leader. That leader asked the member to stop sending such articles and openly confessed she is not a victim and Mike is a godly man. Dear people, don't you all understand that the board of members have tried to pursued some women to convince that they have been abused so that they could carry out their malicious intention. According to my observation, it must a false allegation. You can share your comments below.
🤕the bride lack her mentorship and her elders.. she has become handicapped not having all her limbs at place. Single led leadership often open doors for funny stuff entering. And cleansing must take place. We must correct eachother. And a ministry like 24/7 praying is NEEDED. So I hope some others step in and same time check up on the musicians to keep continuity of what has been rigged for..🍃 they're on salary. Level of sanity of a ministry is often shown during worship
UNLESS YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WAS VICTIMIZED....YOU TRULY HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION...YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO FRAME OF REFERENCE...
We simply FORGIVE & PRAY 🙏 FOR THE ABUSERS, JUST AS JESUS FORGAVE US. 🙏 ❤ 🙌 ♥ 💖 💙 🙏
That is why we pray for the Lord's judgement and justice. We not only have no point of reference, but we also don't have all the facts. That is why we trust in Him. From your post, I gather that you, or someone close to you, have/has been victimized and my heart breaks for you/them.
I know how that feels. It took decades for me to realize that every time I felt the pain and anger, I was allowing the victimizer to continue to hurt me. I chose to be a victor, instead of a victim, by CHOOSING to forgive him. It took many years of me repeating the words, "I forgive", before I actually FELT that forgiveness. Then, one day decades later, when satan tried to bring the pain back, I realized that it was gone! Completely gone! My forgiveness of that man actually brought healing to ME! I pray that you will find that same healing for yourself. Many of the things Jesus taught carry more than one blessing. Not only are we to forgive as we are forgiven, but we are also spiritually healed when we forgive. The victim becomes the victor!
May a festering pox and a curse rest upon all who feed upon this controversy to boost their TH-cam channels.
SYMPATHETIC AND WIMPY RESPONSES WILL NO BODE WELL FOR THE CHURCH
Hi, Wanda, Have you gotten rid of the ringing in your ears? I am just so tired of it.
You implied that allegations against Mike Bickle were part of God cleansing His church
when nothing has been proven against him.
Do you believe in innocent until proven guilty or are you implying God indicated it is true?
JUST an ALLEGATION< aint NONE of it true..............................
"allegation. n. a statement of claimed fact contained in a complaint (a written pleading filed to begin a lawsuit), a criminal charge, or an affirmative defense (part of the written answer to a complaint). Until each statement is proved it is only an allegation."
That last sentence means that once the statements are proven to be true, they become facts. "Allegation" does NOT mean that the statements were lies, or as you stated, "ain't none of it true..." It means that statements have yet to be proven. If they are proven to be true, then they become facts in the case and are no longer allegations. In other words, at this point, we don't know what is or isn't true and should not sit in judgement.