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@@berealrb1496 That is how I understood it also. The ministry leadership bears the responsibility of hearing from the Lord concerning the ministry. So in that regard, when leadership says, “The Lord is instructing the ministry to do thus-and-so”, the leadership IS “the voice of God” to those working in the ministry. - Just as Moses was “the voice of God” to the Israelites. (Btw, God dealt rather harshly with anyone who tried to usurp Moses’ leadership.) But that does NOT take the place of ppl hearing the Lord in their personal lives (“Should we buy this house?”, “Where should we give offerings to the Lord?”, “What school should our children attend?”, etc)
I love how you don’t ignore these things happening in Christendom. This REALLY needs to be openly discussed, as you’ve done, in our churches with great scriptures to discuss. It’s healthy.
Years a Joni was confronted about her in depth practices of yoga. (The worship of a false god) She chose to ignore our concerns. I remembered that. She said she was doing it for body conditioning. In order to not be a stumbling block, I would have discontinued any yoga practice. That was a red flag for me. It stayed with me.
If they were only stretching excesses for her, they were only stretching exercises for her, thank you. The 25th of December approaches... want to talk about pagan roots? 🙂
Wanda I am so sad about all of this. And I've heard DS spends lavishly on jets for the "ministry" but they use it for personal use. Before Marcus passed they bought that jet and when asked if it was $ from the government for covid Marcus said no and walked away quickly and Joni used the jet to go see her boyfriend/now husband. This is very disheartening. I'm afraid to give to most ministries. And when ministry spend 10 minutes asking for $ every single time they are broadcasted. It is terrible. Then you can go look at networth and they have millions...really? Why don't they also use those millions? While the rest of us work like slaves to have a crust of bread. I'm so sick and tired of the greed.
Find some great causes like local homeless ministries, abused women's shelters, animal shelters, food banks, habitat for humanity, etc. There are so many good causes out there. Don't let these toxic people abuse you!
My biggest problem with the entire situation is that everyone is forgetting Jonathan & Suzie's daughter who was molested by someone high up in the organization, Joni interviewed the granddaughter and said nothing happened and the granddaughter was not to speak of it againg,. How come this isn't an issue, for this is the only issue, the rest is misdirection. My opinion, Praise God in all things great & small, glory to God, Jesus is KING
Many have been under this type of treatment in small churches for years with no accountability. My dedicated marriage and calling was extinguished through many years of appealing to 5 different pastors for accountability for my husband's verbal and emotional abuse. There were no elders or counselors that would hold my husband accountable to neglect and spiritual/psychological abuse and would twist it against me even though I brought witnesses in a very respectful way. 3 generations have suffered due to the callousness and self-protection in these churches, even though I appealed to them according to the word of God and proper judgement. I believe God will use this broken system to bring a total turnaround in His body to protect the most vulnerable before another generation is Lost!! Father, we trust you will restore what has been stolen by the enemy and bring us back to humility and true spiritual fathers as Paul said we have need of❤
Very tasteful and honest biblical commentary on what is happening. The Father said that this was going to be a time of sifting in His church. These are times of prayer for the saved and the unsaved. Thank you, Wanda, for your loving and honest words.
Wanda I'm so thankful you are addressing this. Many christian leaders are just ignoring it and hoping it will just go away. Why aren't more christian leaders addressing these issues
Thank you for speaking on this in such a non-salacious manner. Also the conversation about the church being family and not seeing the issues clearly is so needed; I came out of a church many years ago and I still struggle from time to time that I was unable to see what was right in front of my eyes.
Honestly, this daystar thing has me so angry. Im so sick at what I heard on the Joni/Jimmy tape. Im trying to make sure I keep my heart right and pure, but the more I hear - the more I want to scream. I know Im called to pray - but right now - I just find myself "consumed" with the latest news on this, wanting to post snarky comments. Im repenting and praying for God to help me not be prideful. My longing for justice - takes righteous anger - and boils it over. Great video
Thank you, Wanda, for this video. I've watched several of the other videos showing up, and they've been disappointing and frustrating. Yours is truly helpful.
Excellent wisdom for the Body of Christ and God honoring insights. May we pray for our leaders. I am praying the Scriptures of your excellent book. Thankful for you. God bless.
One of the things I’ve noticed rising up on social media is the pitchforks and lanterns crowd that doesn’t believe in the gifts of the spirit or the 5-fold. They are of course having a field day with this. Sad.
Every video I have seen of this scandel, not one of the so called ministry's believe in or operate in the 5 fold ministry, do not believe in modern day Apostles or Prophets OR the gifts of the spirit. They are the most carnel, fleshly ministeries I have ever seen and yes, the world is having a field day with it all. Oh how the devil must be rejoicing! But he has no clue what is coming forth from this all.! And soon, as the smoke settles and the fire dies down, he will see something come forth from the fire so terrifying he won't know how to Handel it! We WILL come forth as the shining ones, arrayed with glory and power and might! He dint stand a chance!
One of the worse thing for me is that it's all about the adults there is very little being focused on the child that had things happan to her that will stay with her forever I pray that God heals anything in her heart is healed
Wanda, thank you so much for your wisdom and LOVE ❤️ I've been watching for you for a few years now, your love and wisdom for fallen leaders. The truth of how we as the Ecclecia are to respond. You are so full of grace as we all should be. You are truly a beautiful representative of the Proverbs 31 woman. ❤
I've been watching The Unction- Ray Curry Jr.( Joni Lamb enraged) and others. My husband and I have been laughing because we have been through so many toxic churches/ organizations it's healing to get away from the secrecy of abuse. The whole Christian t.v. ministry world shuts down what you can and can't say.
Wanda, I truly appreciate and thank you for not only your insight but balanced and yet honest response to what is taking place. I’ve listened to several other videos on this specific topic and yours gives a thoughtful, godly overview which also shows compassion and understanding on how these things can evolve even with good intentions. Thank you for a truly Christian perspective that offers room for repentance and hope. You’re a true leader. Gos bless you and your ministry.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for disllaying humility and extending the heart of the Father to all. As a prodigal, I am very saddened by all this, and the silence of the celebrity ministers is all I need to know what I need to know.
Mathew 7:22-23 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Ephesians 6:12 says We fight not against flesh and blood … and ends with… and against spiritual wickedness in high places. This is speaking of people, ministers, leaders in high places of the church. The sifting is happening.
Eric's wife: Thank you Wanda. God bless the other people too who have been speaking up and putting our foot down as to abuse not being allowed in God's house. I hear you say that you were shocked. It so strange as a survivor of narcissistic abuse to hear this from others how shocking hearing something like that from THIS person, whoever it may be. To the abused that which gives you a shock is presented as if its the shocking thing is normal.
If stuff happened by a minister, leader etc a lot of years ago AND accountability was required, I don't understand why we bring up things from the past.
Joni on Daystar has a video out today explaining the entire truth. Suzi has been pushing Jonathan through this whole thing because she believes Jonathan should’ve been president of Daystar.
Accountability, years ago, was thru a denomination, now most of these personalities have established their own church, where they have no overlords to keep them in line; people follow a personality because of their charisma, their gifted way of speaking, the more followers, the more they become wrapped up in their message. They set up a board, and most of these personalities have time it’s made up of yes men, in order to be in the inner circle of the speaker.
@@ritahannahs3703you’ve heard Joni’s version, she has not heart in this situation for her family, or for the many people who are paying her salary thru donations, not meant for luxurious, elitist living
I've never watched Day star but having read some comments about what happened to this little girl absolutely dreadful being sexual assaulted Joni Lamb and the person who did it need to get on their knees and ask the Lord for forgiveness and really repent they will one day face God for judgement sadly this little girl will remember what has happened to her she will need a lot of care yes l do believe God is cleansing the Church God bless from the UK
Wanda, love you, love that you cover all topics that are affecting the sheep, thank you. I agree with your assessment, but I do want to interject a thought. Daystar was built and established by Marcus and Joni. DS is their children’s inheritance, not Mr Weiss’ children’s inheritance. For that reason alone, a prenuptial agreement may have been needed for clarity, understanding and agreement. I’m not sure that specific issue could, or would be, addressed properly in a last will and testament.
I see many red flags also. And i am certainly not taking up for the behavior of Joni or jimmy, i also see something else. Johnathan and susie were the inly onws knowing this was being taped. I listened to Joni,s side also. And this sounds alot like what happened at TBN yrs ago, when one son went about to cause major trouble in the family because he wanted the empire. Paul and jan Crouch at that point were also in a bad olace. Just as i believe Daystar and TBN started off right, they went off the rails somewhere. This situation also looks alot like King David and his son Absalom. Again, not taking sides or condoning anyones behavior, but i want everyone to think for themselvws and hear what Holy Spirit has to say about it all. I DO NOT think susie and Johnathan are innocent in it all! Not by a long shot! When things go off the rails as this ministry obviously has, then the enemy will try his best to finish the job. But even in it all, God is exsposing things! He has had enough of his house becoming a moneychangers table and he will havw a house of prayer. He is turning over tables in this hour.
That conversation was taped without Joni and the other guys knowledge. They were both frustrated after numerous meetings with Susie and Jonathan to try to resolve things. I don’t think it’s fair to judge unless you listen to Joni’s talk today or talk to her personally. I really feel bad because all these ministries are jumping on board with Joni and Susie and I think they’re going to regret it.
@ she explained everything even the fact that that Pete was in the room with an eight year-old and holding a baby while her granddaughter came up to change her clothes. I’m telling you, Suzi is rebellious and she’s pushing Jonathan into all this division. I’ve got experience believe me with rebellious children and liars. So I stay with Daystar. And I’m sorry, but I will no longer follow you and there’s a couple of the ministries I won’t follow.
@ exactly. And why didn’t they pursue this when Marcus was alive? Once Mark passed away then Susie figured Jonathan would be president. I’m telling you I’ve been through things with rebellious kids, lying, counselors, cheating husband, being a widow, etc. and why would they have to get this all over the Internet? If your daughter was really molested, would you want your daughtermolestation being posted all over the Internet? That’s some she’s gotta live with with the rest of her life. Jonathan and Susie need an awakening and a shock from God because what they’re doing is 100% wrong.
A leader in Ministry must follow the Word of God, God's word is our foundation. Mark 10:9-12 Therefore what God has joined together, let no man separate.” In the house His disciples also asked Him again about the same matter. So He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.” The issue is Doug was married and he divorced his wife and now he's married to Joni. Which makes that an Adultererous marriage. And then Jimmy Evans a supposed Marriage counselor accepted them. It's the hypocrisy. The Word also says a leader in Ministry must be married to one wife , not two like Doug. This disqualifies them both as leaders.
What can you do?... I guess I'm all alone thinking Joni has any kind of right to expect a certain amount of respect. It was extremely sneaky to record the conversation so he can act so lofty and no one else is aware of the judgement he unleashed on his Mom........
All you're exposing is more of the same and is typical of human nature; money is the draw (because, "it's ok for ministers to make money at this") and soon it is the master. What it takes to get a ministry that high in the public eye, introduces the need to make it work long term and requires continual cash flow. The average Christian organization rarely sees the consistency (it's just how God works). Anymore, NO BIG DEAL. You spend too much time handwringing. It's getting tiring to listen to all this juicy tabloid, 'who done what to whom' from you. Turn all of these ministries over to the hands of the Lord (or their lord), pray about it yourself and stop sensationalizing it. It's always going to boil down to the relationship between the individual and God and where these ppl spend eternity. No TBNs in Heaven.
First of all, Joni is a widow. She lost her husband. Nobody understands how painful that is until you go through it. I’m a widow. And then for her son to wait until now to attack his father and his mother. The truth will come out Susie is behind all of this. To be fair you need to listen to Joni today. Everyone’s basing their opinion on Jonathan and Susie.
Their family counselor, Denise Boggs, was interviewed today by Laura-Lynn. She said all of Joni's kids were troubled by her relationship with Doug from the very start. Be sure to hear all the sides:-).
@ and you know what kids don’t run your marriage. I’m a widow. I was divorced prior because I was married to a man that cheated on me. And kids have their own life. Kids should never control a marriage. Where is the respect for their mother. It’s not saying they have to love the guy, but there should be respect. Again like I said, I have experience with all of this and I saw right through Suzi watching her mannerisms and when she smirk a couple times when she was condemning Joni. Suzi wants attention and it’s gonna come out.
@ also if you listened to Joni today, she even said how excited the kids were and how excited Susie was at first. So what happened? Oh that’s right Doug became Joni’s cohost and Suzi didn’t like it.
I think when Doug started co-hosting, the kid's bubble burst. They had high expectation of coming in as 1st or 2nd in command in this ministry. This just exposes how insecure they were, as their security should be in Christ.
@@redago9 I agree plus Joni said Doug is not part of the ministry. He’s got his own business to run. He’s just cohost with her. So what it’s her husband. I would probably do the same thing. When you start letting kids control your marriage and control you you have problems. My kids controlled me and they treated me like crap and now I finally have learned and I have boundaries. And Joni is doing the right thingsby standing her ground.
Wanda, I know very little about Daystar as a ministry, but I listened to the entire audio, and some other reports. I didn’t hear things the same way you are saying. I didn’t necessarily see pride in Joni’s position. Any ministry that has some ppl in leadership that are not going to carry out their assignments, who disrespect the leader’s spouse, who are talking to outsiders abt internal issues that ought not be “announced”, - they undermine the unity of the ministry, this is insubordination and this can’t be allowed. Wanda, you know this, as a minister yourself. It doesn’t indicate pride on Joni’s part. As for the NDAs, Jonathan & Susie believed a family member had molested their 5-yr-old daughter. The man said he didn’t. Parents believed their daughter. Daystar wanted NDAs to prevent them from speaking publicly about it. Right? Wrong? We don’t know & cannot judge. As for Joni Lamb marrying Doug Weiss “so soon”, Lambs have known Doug for many years, his marriage had failed long before his divorce. Joni says she sought the Lord, and sought wise counsel before making the decision to date & then marry him. We cannot judge that situation. If Jonathan & Susie are uncomfortable with that, again, they needed to leave. Pre-nuptials are not as sinister as one might think, and they’re not only for possible divorce; they also provide protection for children/survivors in the event one spouse dies. The surviving spouse cannot claim the inheritance that belongs to the children. Many 2nd marriages include Prenups. Anyway, the main red flag I saw was the possible molestation & perhaps cover-up. But we don’t know the truth. Prayer is our correct response.
The pride I spoke of was in the context of the many recent exposures of national leaders, not specifically Joni. I stand by my perspective on NDA’s and pre-nups. There are numerous other considerations which you fail to mention that collectively make this situation very troubling. Blessings.
@ Thanks Wanda for clarifying the pride reference. I realize pride is a dangerous temptation in many ministries. And I’m sure you know a lot more abt other considerations with Daystar than I do. -I really enjoy your wise and prayerful perspectives. I watch you often. - Blessings!
Doug Weiss is on his third marriage now. His second marriage to Lisa lasted over 30 years. You are pretty glib about his marriage being “over” for many years. The Bible is pretty straightforward about grounds for divorce.
@@pkelly7753 I didn’t intend to be glib about anything. I actually said (based on the audio we listened to) that the marriage was over long before the divorce took place. We don’t know the reason for the divorce, although “abandonment” seemed to have been hinted at. So being legally married for 30 years, does not automatically imply that it was a healthy, viable marriage all 30 years. The divorce apparently simply concluded the legal matter, of a marriage that was dead for a significant period of time. - The Bible does seem clear: abandonment is a factor that ends a marriage. (I personally know a little bit about that specific issue.) God hates divorce. He also hates gossip, haughtiness, lying lips, false witness, and more sins. But He forgives when we confess, and His forgiveness is REAL. The sins are gone, God never remembers them again. As His children, we must follow His example. Acknowledge the forgiveness and don’t bring it up again, don’t cast stones at the forgiven ones. Now: Those who must deal with sins within a ministry, eg IHOP, need God’s wisdom, how to proceed. I’m thankful not to be involved in any such situation.
It is truly unbelievable that ad a “prophetic” voice, you immediately think that these people are guilty. I have listened to the accusations and rebuttals- I would recommend staying quiet until proof is submitted. Roys is not honoring God or anyone here. It’s pure gossip. Please stop gossiping- maybe the house cleaning needs to be the prophetic.
Every employee including Joni has an NDA. There’s nothing wrong with the prenup if you’re a Christian. I would want that because I would wanna make sure if I died. My kids got that what was rightfully mine. You won’t understand unless you’re a widow. You won’t understand unless you were cheated on for years by a husband. You won’t understand if you have your rebellious children. I’m done following you. I can’t believe you succumbed to following rebellious children
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God is purifying the church! Holiness and reverence is coming back!
That’s what I’m sensing too. Thank You Lord. Nothing that is hidden will be kept in secret!
When ANYONE says "I am God’s voice to you" RED FLAG
Yes. Jesus doesn't require intermediaries.
My understanding is Joni hears from God for the ministry of Daystar so Jonathon submits to her direction as a boss, not for his personal life.
@@berealrb1496 Does that justify trying to force him to read something on air that he felt was wrong?
You should have said, “When anyone says I am God’s voice to you, RUN!” . Yes it’s a red flag but that’s an understatement.
@@berealrb1496 That is how I understood it also. The ministry leadership bears the responsibility of hearing from the Lord concerning the ministry. So in that regard, when leadership says, “The Lord is instructing the ministry to do thus-and-so”, the leadership IS “the voice of God” to those working in the ministry. - Just as Moses was “the voice of God” to the Israelites. (Btw, God dealt rather harshly with anyone who tried to usurp Moses’ leadership.)
But that does NOT take the place of ppl hearing the Lord in their personal lives (“Should we buy this house?”, “Where should we give offerings to the Lord?”, “What school should our children attend?”, etc)
I love how you don’t ignore these things happening in Christendom. This REALLY needs to be openly discussed, as you’ve done, in our churches with great scriptures to discuss. It’s healthy.
Years a Joni was confronted about her in depth practices of yoga. (The worship of a false god) She chose to ignore our concerns. I remembered that. She said she was doing it for body conditioning. In order to not be a stumbling block, I would have discontinued any yoga practice. That was a red flag for me. It stayed with me.
Red flag indeed. When was that?
If they were only stretching excesses for her, they were only stretching exercises for her, thank you. The 25th of December approaches... want to talk about pagan roots? 🙂
Yoga - is the worship
Practice of yoking yourself with a demon God ( look
It up) stretching is great … Yoga and “bowing down to the moon “ is evil
Shaking begins in the church! Pray for discernment.
JE and Joni were so abusive and cruel. Jezebel is strong in this situation.
Wanda I am so sad about all of this. And I've heard DS spends lavishly on jets for the "ministry" but they use it for personal use. Before Marcus passed they bought that jet and when asked if it was $ from the government for covid Marcus said no and walked away quickly and Joni used the jet to go see her boyfriend/now husband. This is very disheartening. I'm afraid to give to most ministries. And when ministry spend 10 minutes asking for $ every single time they are broadcasted. It is terrible. Then you can go look at networth and they have millions...really? Why don't they also use those millions? While the rest of us work like slaves to have a crust of bread. I'm so sick and tired of the greed.
Just to be clear about this, the money was a loan from the government to pay employees and was repaid. Not sure why they need a jet...
Find some great causes like local homeless ministries, abused women's shelters, animal shelters, food banks, habitat for humanity, etc. There are so many good causes out there. Don't let these toxic people abuse you!
My biggest problem with the entire situation is that everyone is forgetting Jonathan & Suzie's daughter who was molested by someone high up in the organization, Joni interviewed the granddaughter and said nothing happened and the granddaughter was not to speak of it againg,. How come this isn't an issue, for this is the only issue, the rest is misdirection. My opinion, Praise God in all things great & small, glory to God, Jesus is KING
Many have been under this type of treatment in small churches for years with no accountability. My dedicated marriage and calling was extinguished through many years of appealing to 5 different pastors for accountability for my husband's verbal and emotional abuse. There were no elders or counselors that would hold my husband accountable to neglect and spiritual/psychological abuse and would twist it against me even though I brought witnesses in a very respectful way. 3 generations have suffered due to the callousness and self-protection in these churches, even though I appealed to them according to the word of God and proper judgement. I believe God will use this broken system to bring a total turnaround in His body to protect the most vulnerable before another generation is Lost!! Father, we trust you will restore what has been stolen by the enemy and bring us back to humility and true spiritual fathers as Paul said we have need of❤
Very tasteful and honest biblical commentary on what is happening. The Father said that this was going to be a time of sifting in His church. These are times of prayer for the saved and the unsaved. Thank you, Wanda, for your loving and honest words.
I hope this serves as a warning to the body of Christ; that we grow in the fear of the Lord. The Word of God warns of the deceitfulness of sin.
Unfortunately we are just getting started ! It is much much worse than anybody can imagine . All over the world .
Wanda I'm so thankful you are addressing this. Many christian leaders are just ignoring it and hoping it will just go away. Why aren't more christian leaders addressing these issues
Thank you Wanda for all you do for the Kingdom❤
Thank you for speaking on this in such a non-salacious manner. Also the conversation about the church being family and not seeing the issues clearly is so needed; I came out of a church many years ago and I still struggle from time to time that I was unable to see what was right in front of my eyes.
Honestly, this daystar thing has me so angry. Im so sick at what I heard on the Joni/Jimmy tape. Im trying to make sure I keep my heart right and pure, but the more I hear - the more I want to scream. I know Im called to pray - but right now - I just find myself "consumed" with the latest news on this, wanting to post snarky comments. Im repenting and praying for God to help me not be prideful. My longing for justice - takes righteous anger - and boils it over. Great video
that's why God exposed it. Not all pastors are bad.
People would be much more peaceful if they kept their eyes on the Lord and minded their own business.
My heart is so saddened by recent events, come to light in DayStar.
When we listen to anyone and think that whatever they say is " God's voice" we are following man first! The Word of God is first no human none!
So good to hear our analysis of this problem in the body of Christ! Thank you!
Thank you, Wanda! You are always so gracious, truthful, and balanced!
Thank you, Wanda, for this video. I've watched several of the other videos showing up, and they've been disappointing and frustrating. Yours is truly helpful.
Excellent wisdom for the Body of Christ and God honoring insights. May we pray for our leaders. I am praying the Scriptures of your excellent book. Thankful for you. God bless.
One of the things I’ve noticed rising up on social media is the pitchforks and lanterns crowd that doesn’t believe in the gifts of the spirit or the 5-fold. They are of course having a field day with this. Sad.
Every video I have seen of this scandel, not one of the so called ministry's believe in or operate in the 5 fold ministry, do not believe in modern day Apostles or Prophets OR the gifts of the spirit. They are the most carnel, fleshly ministeries I have ever seen and yes, the world is having a field day with it all. Oh how the devil must be rejoicing! But he has no clue what is coming forth from this all.! And soon, as the smoke settles and the fire dies down, he will see something come forth from the fire so terrifying he won't know how to Handel it! We WILL come forth as the shining ones, arrayed with glory and power and might! He dint stand a chance!
I love the spirit in which this is being delivered
Thanks for speaking up. I believe leaders who will not take a stand against abuse will themselves be judged.
One of the worse thing for me is that it's all about the adults there is very little being focused on the child that had things happan to her that will stay with her forever I pray that God heals anything in her heart is healed
The heart is despicably wicked. Who can know it?
This is one of the best reaction video I have watched and learnt from. Thank you and blessings
Wanda, thank you so much for your wisdom and LOVE ❤️
I've been watching for you for a few years now, your love and wisdom for fallen leaders. The truth of how we as the Ecclecia are to respond.
You are so full of grace as we all should be. You are truly a beautiful representative of the Proverbs 31 woman. ❤
I've been watching The Unction- Ray Curry Jr.( Joni Lamb enraged) and others. My husband and I have been laughing because we have been through so many toxic churches/ organizations it's healing to get away from the secrecy of abuse. The whole Christian t.v. ministry world shuts down what you can and can't say.
Wanda, I truly appreciate and thank you for not only your insight but balanced and yet honest response to what is taking place. I’ve listened to several other videos on this specific topic and yours gives a thoughtful, godly overview which also shows compassion and understanding on how these things can evolve even with good intentions. Thank you for a truly Christian perspective that offers room for repentance and hope. You’re a true leader. Gos bless you and your ministry.
I saw the daystar issue. I want to thank-you for this clear and balanced teaching.
Thank you for explaining many things concerning false teachers & spiritual abuse.
Father expose the guilty and protest and heal the innocent.❤🙏🙏
Wanda has explained it perfectly.
Truth Wanda!
You always bring a voice of reason to chaotic situations. Thanks for being a pillar of sanity in a world that gets crazier every day.
This was a business not a ministry.
YOU ARE SPOT ON!THE BEST VIDEO ON THIS OUT THERE!INTERESTING THE TRUTH OF THIS CAME FROM YOU & 1 OTHER WOMEN! PRAY FOR REPENTANCE FOR ALL!
Thank you Wanda excellent council 🤍🕊
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for disllaying humility and extending the heart of the Father to all. As a prodigal, I am very saddened by all this, and the silence of the celebrity ministers is all I need to know what I need to know.
Yes, ministry bubbles can be dangerous! ❤
Mathew 7:22-23
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Plus Laura Lee Thompson Tyler with Denise Boggs, very enlightening and truthful....and Joni did one with 4 women on Table Talk
Thank you for this
We are getting cleaned up!❤
Excellent insight! Joni was lonely and scared of being alone. I am sure that is a part of the hasty marriage.
Ephesians 6:12 says We fight not against flesh and blood … and ends with… and against spiritual wickedness in high places. This is speaking of people, ministers, leaders in high places of the church. The sifting is happening.
Thank you for speaking the truth
Well said Wanda thank you and thank you Lord
Thank you, Wanda. ❤
Thank you Wanda for this message.
Profound and thoughtful. Thank you.
Amen toxic bubbles 🫧
Excellent sister.
Well thought out and well said.
Excellent, Wanda. Thank you.
Exposure is the word for this present time
Eric's wife: Thank you Wanda. God bless the other people too who have been speaking up and putting our foot down as to abuse not being allowed in God's house. I hear you say that you were shocked. It so strange as a survivor of narcissistic abuse to hear this from others how shocking hearing something like that from THIS person, whoever it may be. To the abused that which gives you a shock is presented as if its the shocking thing is normal.
Practice what you preach! Lack of humility & transparency!
The son n wife spoke about its not just submit and obey but that’s how they were taught
I’m soo learning
If stuff happened by a minister, leader etc a lot of years ago AND accountability was required, I don't understand why we bring up things from the past.
Joni on Daystar has a video out today explaining the entire truth. Suzi has been pushing Jonathan through this whole thing because she believes Jonathan should’ve been president of Daystar.
Accountability, years ago, was thru a denomination, now most of these personalities have established their own church, where they have no overlords to keep them in line; people follow a personality because of their charisma, their gifted way of speaking, the more followers, the more they become wrapped up in their message. They set up a board, and most of these personalities have time it’s made up of yes men, in order to be in the inner circle of the speaker.
@@ritahannahs3703you’ve heard Joni’s version, she has not heart in this situation for her family, or for the many people who are paying her salary thru donations, not meant for luxurious, elitist living
It sounds like Jimmy Evans is being exposed/called out. We need the fear of the Lord.
Thank you. 😊
I just don’t trust these pastors anymore
I've never watched Day star but having read some comments about what happened to this little girl absolutely dreadful being sexual assaulted Joni Lamb and the person who did it need to get on their knees and ask the Lord for forgiveness and really repent they will one day face God for judgement sadly this little girl will remember what has happened to her she will need a lot of care yes l do believe God is cleansing the Church God bless from the UK
Very very good. Thank you
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Very well explained❤
Wow….they apparently weren’t being led by Holy Spirit 🙁
Wanda, love you, love that you cover all topics that are affecting the sheep, thank you. I agree with your assessment, but I do want to interject a thought. Daystar was built and established by Marcus and Joni. DS is their children’s inheritance, not Mr Weiss’ children’s inheritance. For that reason alone, a prenuptial agreement may have been needed for clarity, understanding and agreement. I’m not sure that specific issue could, or would be, addressed properly in a last will and testament.
I agree about marriage and ministry nda’s. May be a very few exceptions. Proprietary creativity in films, etc.
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Thank you
I see many red flags also. And i am certainly not taking up for the behavior of Joni or jimmy, i also see something else. Johnathan and susie were the inly onws knowing this was being taped. I listened to Joni,s side also. And this sounds alot like what happened at TBN yrs ago, when one son went about to cause major trouble in the family because he wanted the empire. Paul and jan Crouch at that point were also in a bad olace. Just as i believe Daystar and TBN started off right, they went off the rails somewhere. This situation also looks alot like King David and his son Absalom. Again, not taking sides or condoning anyones behavior, but i want everyone to think for themselvws and hear what Holy Spirit has to say about it all. I DO NOT think susie and Johnathan are innocent in it all! Not by a long shot! When things go off the rails as this ministry obviously has, then the enemy will try his best to finish the job. But even in it all, God is exsposing things! He has had enough of his house becoming a moneychangers table and he will havw a house of prayer. He is turning over tables in this hour.
That conversation was taped without Joni and the other guys knowledge. They were both frustrated after numerous meetings with Susie and Jonathan to try to resolve things. I don’t think it’s fair to judge unless you listen to Joni’s talk today or talk to her personally. I really feel bad because all these ministries are jumping on board with Joni and Susie and I think they’re going to regret it.
I watched her response from today. Didn't hear anything to change things (from my perspective).
@ she explained everything even the fact that that Pete was in the room with an eight year-old and holding a baby while her granddaughter came up to change her clothes. I’m telling you, Suzi is rebellious and she’s pushing Jonathan into all this division. I’ve got experience believe me with rebellious children and liars. So I stay with Daystar. And I’m sorry, but I will no longer follow you and there’s a couple of the ministries I won’t follow.
The son said he would go back to daystar if they named him president. He would let this all go. Naw, there’s more going on here.
@ exactly. And why didn’t they pursue this when Marcus was alive? Once Mark passed away then Susie figured Jonathan would be president. I’m telling you I’ve been through things with rebellious kids, lying, counselors, cheating husband, being a widow, etc. and why would they have to get this all over the Internet? If your daughter was really molested, would you want your daughtermolestation being posted all over the Internet? That’s some she’s gotta live with with the rest of her life. Jonathan and Susie need an awakening and a shock from God because what they’re doing is 100% wrong.
A leader in Ministry must follow the Word of God, God's word is our foundation.
Mark 10:9-12
Therefore what God has joined together, let no man separate.” In the house His disciples also asked Him again about the same matter. So He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”
The issue is Doug was married and he divorced his wife and now he's married to Joni. Which makes that an Adultererous marriage. And then Jimmy Evans a supposed Marriage counselor accepted them. It's the hypocrisy.
The Word also says a leader in Ministry must be married to one wife , not two like Doug. This disqualifies them both as leaders.
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Dang
What can you do?... I guess I'm all alone thinking Joni has any kind of right to expect a certain amount of respect. It was extremely sneaky to record the conversation so he can act so lofty and no one else is aware of the judgement he unleashed on his Mom........
It was the only way he would be believed.
All you're exposing is more of the same and is typical of human nature; money is the draw (because, "it's ok for ministers to make money at this") and soon it is the master. What it takes to get a ministry that high in the public eye, introduces the need to make it work long term and requires continual cash flow. The average Christian organization rarely sees the consistency (it's just how God works).
Anymore, NO BIG DEAL. You spend too much time handwringing. It's getting tiring to listen to all this juicy tabloid, 'who done what to whom' from you. Turn all of these ministries over to the hands of the Lord (or their lord), pray about it yourself and stop sensationalizing it. It's always going to boil down to the relationship between the individual and God and where these ppl spend eternity. No TBNs in Heaven.
First of all, Joni is a widow. She lost her husband. Nobody understands how painful that is until you go through it. I’m a widow. And then for her son to wait until now to attack his father and his mother. The truth will come out Susie is behind all of this. To be fair you need to listen to Joni today. Everyone’s basing their opinion on Jonathan and Susie.
Their family counselor, Denise Boggs, was interviewed today by Laura-Lynn. She said all of Joni's kids were troubled by her relationship with Doug from the very start. Be sure to hear all the sides:-).
@ and you know what kids don’t run your marriage. I’m a widow. I was divorced prior because I was married to a man that cheated on me. And kids have their own life. Kids should never control a marriage. Where is the respect for their mother. It’s not saying they have to love the guy, but there should be respect. Again like I said, I have experience with all of this and I saw right through Suzi watching her mannerisms and when she smirk a couple times when she was condemning Joni. Suzi wants attention and it’s gonna come out.
@ also if you listened to Joni today, she even said how excited the kids were and how excited Susie was at first. So what happened? Oh that’s right Doug became Joni’s cohost and Suzi didn’t like it.
I think when Doug started co-hosting, the kid's bubble burst. They had high expectation of coming in as 1st or 2nd in command in this ministry. This just exposes how insecure they were, as their security should be in Christ.
@@redago9 I agree plus Joni said Doug is not part of the ministry. He’s got his own business to run. He’s just cohost with her. So what it’s her husband. I would probably do the same thing. When you start letting kids control your marriage and control you you have problems. My kids controlled me and they treated me like crap and now I finally have learned and I have boundaries. And Joni is doing the right thingsby standing her ground.
Wanda, I know very little about Daystar as a ministry, but I listened to the entire audio, and some other reports. I didn’t hear things the same way you are saying. I didn’t necessarily see pride in Joni’s position. Any ministry that has some ppl in leadership that are not going to carry out their assignments, who disrespect the leader’s spouse, who are talking to outsiders abt internal issues that ought not be “announced”, - they undermine the unity of the ministry, this is insubordination and this can’t be allowed. Wanda, you know this, as a minister yourself. It doesn’t indicate pride on Joni’s part.
As for the NDAs, Jonathan & Susie believed a family member had molested their 5-yr-old daughter. The man said he didn’t. Parents believed their daughter. Daystar wanted NDAs to prevent them from speaking publicly about it. Right? Wrong? We don’t know & cannot judge.
As for Joni Lamb marrying Doug Weiss “so soon”, Lambs have known Doug for many years, his marriage had failed long before his divorce. Joni says she sought the Lord, and sought wise counsel before making the decision to date & then marry him. We cannot judge that situation. If Jonathan & Susie are uncomfortable with that, again, they needed to leave.
Pre-nuptials are not as sinister as one might think, and they’re not only for possible divorce; they also provide protection for children/survivors in the event one spouse dies. The surviving spouse cannot claim the inheritance that belongs to the children. Many 2nd marriages include Prenups.
Anyway, the main red flag I saw was the possible molestation & perhaps cover-up. But we don’t know the truth.
Prayer is our correct response.
The pride I spoke of was in the context of the many recent exposures of national leaders, not specifically Joni. I stand by my perspective on NDA’s and pre-nups. There are numerous other considerations which you fail to mention that collectively make this situation very troubling. Blessings.
@ Thanks Wanda for clarifying the pride reference. I realize pride is a dangerous temptation in many ministries. And I’m sure you know a lot more abt other considerations with Daystar than I do. -I really enjoy your wise and prayerful perspectives. I watch you often. - Blessings!
Doug Weiss is on his third marriage now. His second marriage to Lisa lasted over 30 years. You are pretty glib about his marriage being “over” for many years. The Bible is pretty straightforward about grounds for divorce.
@@pkelly7753 I didn’t intend to be glib about anything. I actually said (based on the audio we listened to) that the marriage was over long before the divorce took place. We don’t know the reason for the divorce, although “abandonment” seemed to have been hinted at. So being legally married for 30 years, does not automatically imply that it was a healthy, viable marriage all 30 years. The divorce apparently simply concluded the legal matter, of a marriage that was dead for a significant period of time. - The Bible does seem clear: abandonment is a factor that ends a marriage. (I personally know a little bit about that specific issue.) God hates divorce. He also hates gossip, haughtiness, lying lips, false witness, and more sins. But He forgives when we confess, and His forgiveness is REAL. The sins are gone, God never remembers them again. As His children, we must follow His example. Acknowledge the forgiveness and don’t bring it up again, don’t cast stones at the forgiven ones.
Now: Those who must deal with sins within a ministry, eg IHOP, need God’s wisdom, how to proceed. I’m thankful not to be involved in any such situation.
It is truly unbelievable that ad a “prophetic” voice, you immediately think that these people are guilty. I have listened to the accusations and rebuttals- I would recommend staying quiet until proof is submitted. Roys is not honoring God or anyone here. It’s pure gossip. Please stop gossiping- maybe the house cleaning needs to be the prophetic.
Every employee including Joni has an NDA. There’s nothing wrong with the prenup if you’re a Christian. I would want that because I would wanna make sure if I died. My kids got that what was rightfully mine. You won’t understand unless you’re a widow. You won’t understand unless you were cheated on for years by a husband. You won’t understand if you have your rebellious children. I’m done following you. I can’t believe you succumbed to following rebellious children
This goes beyond “rebellion”
These are grown adults she’s talking to so abusively. Not to mention the coverup of her granddaughter’s molestation.
Thank you