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- Willow cries we all cry!
The Killer in Me: Buffy 7x13 Reaction
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It’s interesting that Amy ended up becoming exactly like her mother. She was trapped in the same cycle and never was able to grow and change.
Especially when you compare her to Chanterelle/Sister Sunshine/Lily/Anne, who evolved from a weak, fearful and desperate runaway to a powerful, courageous and selfless woman who dedicates her life to saving those who are lost, as she used to be.
They both started their journey in similar ways, but one became exactly like their abuser, and the other grew to become a champion for the lost and abused.
i also find it crazy that amy didn't even show a tiny bit gratitude towards willow for turning her back to her original human form when she could have stayed trapped as a rat until her death, and to top it off making willow's life worse just "for fun"...like how unappreciative/unfair can you be, especially with the way she used to be in season 2: a relatively chill person to hang out with who didn't want to end up like her mother (at least imo)
I loved taht Anne is remembered.
Gunn: "What if i tell you it doesnt help... what would you do if you found out that not of it matters?...
Anne: I'd get this truck packed before the next stuff gets here ❤"
Love this moment from her!
crazy real world in that way, some victims unfortunately continue the cycle while some make sure to break it. Which make it's really conflicting, I mean Amy the victim and Amy the perpetrator is the same person but at the same time not.
I have a head cannon that when the school was blown up, the trophy was destroyed and no longer contained her mothers essence, and it then went to Amy and combined with her to some degree, so she is partly her mother. Amy's personality is gone to the dark side compared to what she was like. People explain it as she blames Willow for letting her remain a rat for so long, but old Amy wouldn't have blamed her.
@@Logan_Baron I totally agree. Amy was way more powerful than Willow in high-school. This ep doesn't make sense for Amy's reasoning otherwise. Getting rejected by Willow one time isn't gonna get her that vengeful. She's basically being Willow's Faith in this ep.
Warren was such a dark and evil character. Im glad they brought adam back to play it up more lighthearted and emptional in the final scene
Most of us are not over Tara, since back then.
Tara was a wonderful character, and certainly irreplaceable. But I would’ve been fine with Willow moving on. Only if it were to a nice woman that wasn’t an obnoxious and unlikeable brat. 🤣
@@arc7375 Like maybe a nice snakewoman?
@@plothole181I didn’t read the comics. I don’t know if snake lady was nice or a good match for Willow.
@@arc7375 I did read the comics and I'm still not sure. She was just the only other love interest of Willow's that I could think of to maybe indicate that Willow and Kennedy don't last.
@@arc7375 imo, kennedy as a character is a good addition from an "in real life accuracy" perspective, if you catch my drift. in real life, when one loses someone who was very close to them (whether friend or lover), some tend to hang with/date someone who's almost the polar opposite to the person who was lost, which feels like an attempt to distract oneself in order not to think about the grief and sadness caused by the loss (some sort of mental barrier, kind of). which is what tara and kennedy symbolize: polar opposites. shy, reserved, sweet, plays by the rules and acts with thinking VS easy going, extrovert, is more of a rebel and acts without much thinking. and that's just a few opposing traits that i have in mind with both characters
When Willow cries, we all cry
Near the end of the episode when Kennedy is suddenly transported to Buffy's backyard she says, "That was a hell of a thing." That line was a homage to the movie "Galaxy Quest" as one of the characters in that movie said the exact same thing in a similar situation.
Going to visit Rack would have been a bit of a problem because Willow killed him in season 6.
After what happened with her mother in season 1, Amy has learned absolutely nothing. Her hexing Willow shows not only her jealousy and spite towards Willow's innate magical superiority and the unconditional love & support she has from her friends, but also her own complete lack of understanding about power and responsibility, and their ethical implications.
Learning and caring are two different things. In her case it was a choice.
@@ciphernine7824 Amy was an abused child, and probably possessed by her mother's spirit after the school went boom. Otherwise her actions don't make a lot of sense, how venegeful she becomes for getting rejected just one time by Willow. Also, rat.
Willow deserves to enjoy a little tasty treat
~Kennedy
Before Amy was a rat, her mother tried to steal her youth and switched bodies with her. And she had to do the homework without the benefit of having been in class. Then she was caught trying to hoodwink teachers into giving her good grades without having done any work, and was blackmailed (such an ugly word) into doing a love spell, which backfired and made her fall in love with Alexander Harris, of all people. And though no one else remembers it, I'm sure she does. Then she turned herself into a rat for three years, and found that the world had moved on while she was spinning her wheel. Yeah, she's had a miserable life.
One of my favorite episodes, great reaction❣ I thought Adam and Allison did amazing playing each others roles.
One of the best episodes. Every subplot was important. I allways say, that i like Kennedy and her sassy way is exactly what Willow needed, since she was turned inwards like a oldschool widow. But it WILL be Tillow 4ever!
It is such a complex scene, this appology and begging from Willow, Warren, Adam and the writers/Joss towards Tara - could sth be more meta?
It felt more like it was Willow's perception of Warren than the actual personality of Warren as it felt very strawmanish here.
They reminds me of a comment a few people made in defence of Dawn’s character when she first appeared.
People said that she acted like a child far younger than she was supposed to be, and the response to that was that she didn’t act realistically like a fourteen year old girl, because she was made by the adult, male monks who just used what they _imagined_ a girl of that age to be like.
Agreed, though it seems Warren was likely heading that way by all accounts. I mean he killed his ex, though it was an accident, and didn't seem phased other than worried about going to jail. When he had that power of strength and indestructibility he was sleazy as all get out to those girls in the bar. When defeated and that power taken away he got all butthurt and ran to shoot Buffy. As time went on he became more bitter, angry and nasty. It would stand to reason somewhere in Willow's mind the idea of she was morphing into him that he'd possibly continue to evolve into something worse.
I love season 7 ❤🎉
Of course we can never ship Willow and Kennedy unlike Tara and Willow but Willow deserves to be happy. Alyson was a phenomenal actress. The soundtrack is also beautiful.
It doesn't specify in the episode, but I'm convinced Amy did that spell because she was either influenced by The First or made a deal with it. If you listen to her reasoning for casting the spell, it sounds just like something The First would have whispered to Amy in the guise of someone she would listen to and believe... and if you read the comics, you know what I'm talking about.
You NEED to watch Buffy the vampire movie 1992.
Just the early 90s fashion and music is worth it alone.
Amy did turn herself into a rat in a panic without thinking how she would turn herself back.
Anyone else notice Tara is basically Willow in the unaired Pilot ep, before they recast her?
Anthony Head said this stretch of episodes was the hardest time he ever had acting. Not being able to touch absolutely anything was very unnatural.
20:25 At this point Spike is just a regular person. Sure he can turn into a souless demon but so it is everybody else. You cannot keep a guy from his free will based in the danger he might some day became a monster, right?
A pretty decent episode. Here we see Spike having serious head pains. Buffy is of course very concerned, and we also have to rest of The Scoobies wary now of Giles, thinking that he could have been infiltrated by The First Evil, as we never saw the aftermath of his attack in London. This is of course a Red Herring, as Giles is as normal. The interesting part of course with Willow being turned into Warren and being affected by this, with all the rest of the characters thinking it is Warren as well. Funny part when Andrew grabs Willow, which he thinks is Warren by the breasts, and Buffy punches Warren/Willow, and also when Andrew says 'why cant I come because I used to be evil', no says Xander 'it is because you are really annoying'. Kennedy is being very upfront and overtly sexual with Willow, and many fans did not like Kennedy, as they found her too forward and disruptive in the group. Amy was behind it all, and it is Kennedy who finds her out. Not a bad episode, but much better quality episodes happening in S4 of Angel at the moment.
Anthony Head is beautiful TF
Angel? The Road to the Jasmine arc? You think that’s better? You need mind capsules 😂
Makes sense that despite mostly agreeing with you for years, a fundamental schism should arise over tea :). Yorkshire's fine and i'll gladly drink it if offered but you can't beat Tetley (I mean, in truth quite often it's just "the red ones out of Aldi" but if given me druthers... :).
(quite like this one, not top tier but tier 2 or 3 maybe - always enjoy the eps. where the regulars get to play and both Aly Hannigan and Adam Busch are great as not-their-characters. Plus, at the time there was more discussion about Giles possibly having been killed so that pay-off was fun - as well as a relief ! - _and_ "fairytale kisses" between two women maybe meant a bit more)
Tetley?! Never! lol
@@anonymes2884 Tetley? TETLEY?! It's a no from me haha. Each to their own though 😜
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In season 5's "Fool for Love," Spike told Buffy that if there is no intent to hurt anyone than the chip never activates. So that's how Spike was able to kill all those people when being controlled by the First. He didn't intend on hurting anyone. His will was being controlled. The reason the chip activated now, despite him just peacefully sitting, is because he's starting to remember what he did, so that makes the chip think it's happening now with his free will intact. That confusion is what led the chip to degrade and malfunction.
The control explanation makes sense. I wish the show made that a bit clearer.
As for why the chip is torturing him now, it might be related to the First-induced-murders, or it might simply be that the tech was never intended to last this long. The Initiative expected to have done something else with their subjects (probably just kill them) by now.
@@davidmeadows5627 it's degrading, as stated in the show.
@@Nicolas.Vincent But it's degrading for a reason. I believe the First caused the degradation.
@@davidmeadows5627 Or he wasn't meant to last that long...as is stated. It's a failed experiment, not a temporary way of being.
Clearly, you've never had Canadian "Red Rose" orange pekoe tea bags. Pity.
This is the role I like Felicia Day least in, I don't think she adds much and the stuff that came after this including her web exclusives were better and showed more of a range. I like Kennedy, unlike most people who appear to dislike her only due to the fact she replaces Tara (sort of speak) at this point in the show. It's similar to why people dislike Riley, he came after Angel, although I think he and Buffy had no chemistry and felt more forced than Willow with Kennedy
kennedy is fantastic, and people who hate her are saying a lot more about themselves than they are about kennedy.
Poor Kennedy. She didn't get a season or two to seep into the role of Willow's love interest slowly enough, and the fandom, loyal as **** to Tara... well... it's unfitunate but understandsable.
@@OzeroCa she's in season. 8 stories, but Willow's not even human after season 7 in the comics. She's more like an entity. They wrote out Principal Wood the same way.
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I wonder how disappointed Anthony Stewart Head was to learn Giles was still not the villain as he volley for it for years?
Giles did touch things leading up to this. So i was never worried 😂.
I don't remember him touching anything myself, and I know they tried to make sure he touched nothing in the episode since he had appeared, though I heard they did mess up once or twice and he did touch things.
@Heldemon I think touched a bag or a book and handed it to buffy
It’s so weird that they say the First is incorporeal, yet it can stand and sit and lay down.
I'm so glad you said "I like Kennedy". I think Kennedy takes a LOT of undeserved grief from the fan community, mostly because she isn't Tara. If it had been Oz coming back, I don't think there would be near the complaining.
It’s nothing to do with her replacing Tara, and everything to do with her character being obnoxious and unlikeable. And _predatory_ when it came to Willow.
I don't like Kennedy because of how she treats Buffy. And how Willow says nothing about it. Especially in THAT episode later this season. I mean, at one point, the writing makes it seem that Kennedy is actively wishing for Buffy to die so she can take over as she doesn't like how Buffy is doing things. It doesn't make sense that Willow would not defend her best friend to her rebound.
I do feel for the actress, who did such a good job playing the character, as she got a lot of hate when this aired.
She was a typical spoiled brat. But she grows on you... like a rash...😅
@@desarae9778The actress is just doing her job. Similar to the actor for Warren, both did a great job portraying their roles!
It’s very sad and upsetting to know they both got so much hate from people that didn’t distinguish between them as people and the characters they portrayed.
@@desarae9778 I think "that episode" also gets a lot of undeserved hate, but we can discuss that when Dakara gets to it.
Fun fact, tara was suppose to be the face of the first for most of this season, but they couldn't agree on her contact.
I kind of think of that as Amber Benson protecting us all.
@ceceliam9014 yeah maybe, having her be in the library with Willow instead of Cassie in episode 4 would have been too much for us.
“This girl seems nice but she’s not Tara, is she?” GUUUURLLLL EXACTLY
Nobody can be, so it's really selfish of most fans in my opinion not to let Willow move on and stop grieving, even if she and Kennedy cannot or do not become end game (wont say if they do or not that would be spoilery)
@@eastre Tara wasn't Oz
I LOVE this episode... I just wish... it was the end of the Kennedy stuff... Willow should have realized here she just wasn't ready to move on.
@@LockeTheCole that's kinda what this ep is about
@@Nicolas.Vincent Except THAT doesn't end here. That's my issue. Otherwise, I'd have a lot less qualms with the Kennedy arc.
@@LockeTheCole why introduce a character just to reject her?
@@Nicolas.Vincent She had more character than that, and COULD be more than just a love interest. But even if she had ONLY been there to be rejected by Willow, it's a better arc than she ended up getting.
When did Willow "openly show she wasnt interested"?
@@russellward4624 she didn't. Fans are protective, even 20 years on!
Kennedy might not be a permanent partner for Willow, but I think her purpose was to help Willow move on and not feel guilt for Tara's death or for moving on. If they made Kennedy less pushy and had Willow pursue her back a little it might have made people feel better about her. Amy has really become a pos, at least Willow has a conscience and is trying to do better, that's the difference between them. Amy wants to be bad and for people to enable it.
@@user-dx2dm8oq8g yeah but, Amy's not a murderer. Willow is.
@@Nicolas.Vincent I agree, but I also believe that the only way to stop Warren permanently is death. No prison could hold him, he's smart enough to always find a way out and come back stronger. No one wants to do it. Just like when Giles took out Ben to stop Glory.
@@user-dx2dm8oq8g Willow seemed like she wanted to...she gets a pass cause we love her!
@@Nicolas.Vincent I don't see eye to eye with everything Willow does and found her annoying at times. In the past, she was often selfish and reckless just like Amy is. She almost got Dawn killed when she was high. Willow finally learned her lesson with magic through her experience while Amy still doesn't care, that for me is the difference. The other two guys are harmless and could switch sides, with Warren I'm conflicted because he had to go permanently for everyone to be safe. He did shoot two innocent people, if there were more people in the backyard and he had an automatic weapon he would have murked the entire gang.
@@user-dx2dm8oq8g I mostly agree, and Willow also killed Rack! How soon we forget! 😅 probably cause both Warren and Rack were mostly evil.
I appreciate that they try to give willow a love interest cause she deserves it and it is the final season after all. I think the problem is that willow and kennedy have zero chemistry, Im wondering is it the actors? cause tara and oz had such great chemistry with willow
Every time I re-watch 7, I find I like Kennedy a bit more, and Willow being with somebody like her makes more sense. Another Tara, I think, would have ended up being more annoying. I didn't love her first time though, but I hate her far less than a lot of fans.
@@AaronHunter I agree, people also site her as a spoled brat not to like her, but Willow's the most irresponsible person on the show. She's never even had a job, she just hangs out and is a Witch all day, presumably her parents are still paying for Sunnydale U!? How can she afford anything? Especially with that unspoken rule in Sunnydale stating that one is never to wear the same outfit or piece of clothing twice, ever!
Spikes soul was not the result of a gypsy curse so because he went through the trials to get it he cant lose it.
Kennedy. Blech. Tara is truly irreplaceable.
Loved the whole Giles saying, "I'm being punished because I'm not touching those girls?". Great moment. People seem to get confused by Spike having a soul. That wasn't his intention. He wanted to be like he was before the chip, he wanted to be what he was before this whole thing started. Getting a soul never entered his mind. In a way he's like Angel now, a vampire with a soul. He's no longer William the bloody, but William the...something?
Naw. If he wanted the chip out he's not going to that shaman to take mystical trials. The writing intentionally led the audience to assume he wanted the chip out, but he wanted "to be someone who would never" have done what he attempted to do in the bathroom. The chip doesn't even work against Buffy anyways. He wanted to be William again, the man he was as a human, the man WORTHY of Buffy.
@@user-knightoftherealms of course he meant to get his soul for Buffy, but I know what you mean.
Spike got his soul on purpose, the show was just tricking the audience into thinking he was trying to get his chip removed so it would be a surprise at the end of S6
Why are you saying such absurdly untrue things? Spike absolutely was there to get his soul back.
spike has already demonstrated that when he wants the chip removed, he goes to a doctor. he didn't go see a demon for a medical procedure. he was there for his soul.
I don't like Kennedy, especially at this point in the game. I feel like she is a pushy, arrogant, sneaky character and that is before you add Willow into the mix at all. I don't feel she is right for Willow. I was super mad at the writers for rushing Willow into a relationship. It hasn't even been a year since Tara died. Women grieve a lot longer than that when they lose a partner. Men may jump in quickly, but women don't. Especially when they have such a deep love like Tara and Willow did. The whole thing just pushes my buttons and ticks me off. If there had been a season 8, it would have been an appropriate time.
I wish they would have explored Willow as a bisexual instead of as a lesbian, especially when she said one woman about Tara. Because I don't think her feelings for Oz or Xander should have been erased by, "Gay now." Those feelings were very real and with Oz, incredibly deep and loving. Her having feelings for a man again, like the principal, perhaps, and being confused by it, would have been so interesting to watch, but nope, instead we had Kennedy. Or just brought in someone else, male or female who was a grown up instead of someone who was obviously jailbait. I mean these girls were Dawn's age. That's icky. So I really did not like that relationship one bit.
Kennedy is ugh. But I do like the character focused season seven episodes over the big overarching plot stuff
I absolutely hate this episode... lol
Kennedy is the worst.
She _aggressively_ pursues Willow, who openly has shown she wasn’t interested, especially after the loss of Tara, but Kennedy pretty much forces herself onto her. To the point where Willow tortures herself as seen in the show, by becoming Warren.
If Kennedy was played by a male actor, I’m certain this wouldn’t have flown.
The fact that the issue is “solved” by Kennedy kissing Willow again is honestly really sickening, in my opinion.
The irony is that AH herself requested that Willow end the show in a relationship, so she got what she wanted. It’s still disturbing though.
I don't like Kennedy as a person, but I _do_ like that Willow manages to move on from Tara (after, clearly, a lot of difficulty-it would be really bad if she just jumped in a new relationship as if Tara didn't matter).
@@theadamabramsI think it’s perfectly reasonable for Willow to find love again, absolutely agreed. _Everyone_ deserves that. I just feel that Kennedy was a bad match and was almost predatory in her aggressive pursuit of a clearly uncomfortable Willow.
I know in the comics, their relationship doesn’t work out, but at least it’s an amicable split.
@@arc7375 another Sickening interpretation. If Buffy is so disgusting to you, why do you keep showing up? Kennedy "forces herself on Willow?" Pull your head out of your arse! Pfff! Quit smearing your childhood trauma all over my favourite show!
@@arc7375 another Sickening interpretation. If Buffy is so disgusting to you, why do you keep showing up? Kennedy "forces herself on Willow?" Do pull your head out of your arse! Pfff! Quit smearing your "childhood trauma" all over my favourite show!
@@arc7375 another Sickening interpretation. If Buffy is so disgusting to you, why do you keep showing up? Kennedy "forces herself on Willow?" Head in arse syndrome! Pfff! Quit smearing your childhood trauma all over my favourite show!
Lord, the last two seasons of this show were awful.
And so is your taste you fu**er
@@ninipookieHow outrageous that the OP had their own opinion(!)
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@@PurpleNurpleReviews 5 & 6 were the worst for me. They corrected for Season 7.
14:13 Fascinating, and ironic