I’m trying to imagine if someone brought up that black people have to walk on eggshells and choose their “WORDS-UH” very carefully to her right then. I think she literally would have burst a blood vessel lmao
Sometimes my mom says that when I try to explain trans and queer issues to her and then I want to scream. That woman also once said something along the lines of "people make too big of a deal out of saying *insert N-word*" but I can't remember exactly what she said because my brain was just reeling too hard from her saying the N-word. But I do remember it was at a Denny's.
Just the possibility that she might've made a mistake with her word choice (therefore making her inarticulate) literally brought her to her knees in tears, as if her identity (her identity as a "good person" aka not racist) was on the line
When Carmen raised her voice at Rose I physically flinched. Like let’s not beat around the bush here, that’s verbal abuse. As a parent you just do not scream expletives at your child. Every time Rose talks to her mom it feels like she’s picking her words super carefully walking on eggshells so she doesn’t get screamed at or guilt tripped or dragged into an exhausting argument. I lived in that exact situation and it’s caused me serious lasting issues. Also important: if Carmen acts like this while she knows she’s on camera, what do you think she does when no one’s filming.
Yeah and you know that rose probably didn't even want to do this but her family def pressured/guilted her into being a part of the show. Like her parents were just interested in the fetishization/ "I can say slurs now" part while rose was like "I might as well just try to learn what I can I guess"
Rose actually isn't her child which makes it worse. The only real family is the Black family. Carmen was an exec producer who gave them her own last name (Wurgle), both Bruno and Rose are paid actors. You can Google it actually it's well documented!
I can’t with this show man, I WANT MY HEART TO BE SEEN but more importantly I want the racist shit that my “heart” spews out to be taken as great while I treat these children of color as something other than human
I mean to be fair there is no good justification for being racist to a child but Carmen's being racist AND playing the victim so she gets double points. Points for what? No idea
Crazy how being “inarticulate” is a “black stereotype,” but Carmen is the one who completely melts down if she can’t use one or two words in her vocabulary.
Honestly, gives me vibes of when transphobes get pissy about "having to change their language", which I wasn't around or at least a fully sentient being in the early 2000s, seeing as I was born 2003, so like, this is something I find really interesting. Like, another example of history repeating itself.
@@kiralonely God I'm old. But yeah, the 2000's were WAY different than today when it comes to how all marginalized groups were treated. It wasn't that long ago, but the difference is drastic.
Oh yes - the irony is delicious. "Why can't you understand me without me having to think how to structure a sentence. I didn't say the wrong word. The correct meaning of any word is whatever the nearest white person defines it to be." hahaha
Not to derail you but the surreal feeling that just surged through me when I saw my name used in a comment by someone w my same profile picture... I was like omg why is this other Djungelskog feeling bad for me???
Sheesh. Imagine being a teenager trying to learn about how to be more accepting of POC and then your mom screeches at you for not agreeing with her racist statement.
I’m like 90% sure she only said that kind of “i can see where both of you are coming from” thing because she knew her mom was going to lash out on her if she said anything directly against it It’s ironic how she’s getting so upset about having to choose her words when her daughter most likely has to do the same thing around her
I feel so bad for Diana. Her smile fading when Carmen revealed herself, then having to pretend everything was okay and act like "oh someone I thought was my friend was doing blackface all along! Isn't that so neat! Hahaha!"
She is upset because she was expecting to be praised for her "poetry" and for thinking black people are beautiful but instead she was confronted about the fact she sees black people as another species to herself and basically fetishises them
She really does fetishize black people- the first episode on Jarvis’ channel when she saw her husband in blackface and immediately went “ooh there’s just some type of black warmth about him” Like ma’am what
She identifies as a "good person" so she just assumes she isn't racist. Then, she gets confronted with the reality of her own racism and her entire world crumbles, leaving us with a blubbering white lady choking back alligator tears because she's "uncomfortable" she just found out that she's racist and she would prefer to remain in denial about it
To me, it's more gross fetishization than dehumanizing. "Beautiful creature" is an innocuous phrase that's often been used by someone admiring the beauty of another. Essentially this is just the whities admiring their "beautiful black skin" which does definitely feel weird and gross, but the focus on the word creature does seem like a mistake. And yeah I get that there's a history of dehumanization there, but in this case i think they objected to the wrong part. Also, I don't understand why it seems like they've never interacted with black people. The white family is insane.
@@sidthompson9538 you'd be shocked how common racial fetishization toward black men is among straight women Not to the level of straight men to asian/Latina women, but still severe
I just love how bruno is talking about how calm and civilised they are while his wife is having a mental breakdown over being told why what she said was racist
I dunno, I think it's just him he thinks is rational, and women are emotional too. But when it's white women it's because they have passion or some shit.
Fr like what???? It may sound like a compliment but its so weird as it refers to black people as like a separate thing, different from white people, not even human 💀💀
calling ANYONE a creature is weird in general, but that was flat out racist and the fact she couldn't even figure out why calling someone a word like creature is bad is just... what
I think the biggest problem with this show (besides the black face) is that the show itself never challenges what the white people say or do. That burden is solely placed on the black family.
That is definitely a problem but the hope is people close to them saw them on the show and read them their rights. I mean I would but I don’t associate with this caliber of family
Yeah the whole bit about “oh these people are the most black” with the drumming circle bit pissed me off because they never go “oh these people are the most white” aka Carmen and Bruno. It’s like they’re saying black people are the problem and white people need to learn about them to “fix them”, like I wanna punch the show makers so much
Honestly Carmen's tantrum is the most frustrating thing to me. She starts the show all "I'm gonna Become Black and learn the True Black Experience 😇 This is Learning and Growth 😇" but she refuses to acknowledge when she's wrong! She doesn't listen to criticism from anyone- from the other family, from her own daughter, and she BARELY listens to that chick she befriends later too...
She clearly sees herself as a trailblazer of interracial understanding, as someone so open and forward-thinking, and "not like those other white people who can't see the value in other races". Therefore the idea that she actually fails too sometimes and unconsciously falls into the same thought patterns and behaviour as the people she looks down on is unbearable to her, and instead of thinking about WHY black people tell her that some stuff she does or says isn't okay, she considers them ungrateful for not appreciating her being "better" than the average racist. It's literally ALL about her.
the way her face dropped when Carmen was like "I'm Carmen 😃". god i felt so bad for Diana, after bonding with her "friend" through something that was supposed to be shared experiences.. on CAMERA too!
Y'know, as an autistic kid whose always been the kind to think and choose my words carefully to convey my message as best as possible in the most sincere way to my feelings as possible with the words I understand the most it blows my mind to remember that there are genuinely people out there that blow the fuck up anytime someone points out any kind of miscommunication, unnecessary negative conntations and or offensive words/wordings. Hearing a GROWN WOMAN scream at her daughter because she used racist wording in a completely unnecessary way is just.. wow. Is it that hard to say "you're a beautiful person"??
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Especially the "If you misinterpret it, that's your problem," and Carmen basically saying she wanted people to read her mind.
Doesn't it speak lengths the way she blows her top the minute her daughter enters the conversation, almost as if she represents the usual, preferred target of her boiled over frustrations
Rose’s initial reaction of, “I understand why BOTH of you are offended,” before Carmen even blows up is telling in and of itself. She’s tiptoeing on eggshells, trying to get Carmen to bring down her defenses so she can explain to her that she’s wrong without making it seem like ‘everyone’s ganging up on her.’ There is no way this is the first time Carmen blew up on Rose.
as someone who has dealt with horrible parents who abused me i can tell when something much much deeper is going on behind the scenes and i can feel this with the way carmen treats rose
@@slimkt yeah, and god even when i knew my mom was wrong i always said "i can see both sides" when I was at my bravest. Otherwise smile and nod. Narcissistic moms just will blow up if you mildly insunuate they're wrong
Carmen saying that she refuses to live in a world where she has to walk on eggshells, while speaking to her daughter who is clearly doing what she can to avoid saying the wrong thing to her mother, is so tragically ironic
yeah also on a show about race and racism but she doesn’t realize that black ppl are constantly walking on eggshells to conform to white culture and to be treated with respect and humanity
I have not yet watched the video, I'm assuming that this comment means that Carmen gets open heart surgery in this episode. I'll update y'all once I've watched. Edit: I have now watched. I was incorrect.
They need to get $10K additional each and as many restraining orders as they want against everyone related to the show, automatically authorized. Not that that would help, given law enforcement. But I bet Carmen would lose her whole mind over it.
Rose being neutral seems like a learned behaviour to avoid getting into a fight with her mum, and even then her mum still shouted at her. I used to always fight with my dad and now that I'm in my 20's, I'm just tired of it. It's easier to let him be a racist homophobic a-hole and live my own life because no argument will ever get through to him, it's a waste of energy that I could use actually helping people.
yyyyyep, i often see myself having to like, pretend to nod along to all kinds of religious and transphobic bullshit my mother says (even though I'm trans myself) and pretend like "even though i disagree there might be substance to your words" even though that's absolutely not the case, and her behaviour is nowhere near as deranged as this. Speaking out is incredibly stressful and it's often safer to just. stay low. or whatever it's called
Oh my god it’s the most frustrating thing ever, especially when you have to put away your own feelings and sensibilities because you realize that no amount of arguing is going to change bad behavior, I have so many family members that are straight up racist and yet cannot comprehend why they are, and I have tried to explain their bad behavior to them but it just makes the conversations exhausting and nothing ends up going through, not to mention they pull the “you’re just a child” card
The whole creature "debate" hit really close to home for me because the president of my university called educated black students "rare creatures" and he deadass thought it was a compliment
The generation who grew up doing Jim Crow thinking they turned out alright but in fact racism is so deeply ingrained in them they think blk ppl should be happy to be called a creature just dont call them that though they'll get offended but characterize blk ppl with non human language they just can't see the harm.
Not a fully grown woman having a temper tantrum over people telling her that something she has said has negative connotations and that she could have said it in a different way 😭
Also the irony of her not wanting to “choose her words” after her daughter JUST chose her words carefully to not have her lose her mind and scream at her…. And she did anyways
Because if she gives any ground that what she said was in any way bad then she's kind of admitting that she was at least some degree racist. A lot of people are very attached to this idea they are one of the "good whites" that are completely colorblind and would never do, say, or even think anything racist ever.
And she's freaking tf out over "minimumal words". She's upset cuz she was proven wrong and she's lashing out. But I have no clue why she EXPLODED. From 0-100 real f-- okay well 35-100 real fast
I watched every episode after catching Jordan and Jarvis’ first reaction video, and I’m gonna say naw. Every time you think it’ll be the most cringe-inducing thing you’ll see, the next scene tops it.
I honestly don't know how to feel. This was the peak of reality TV manipulation and staging. On the one hand, I can believe production happily manipulating earnest participants. On the other hand, I can believe that most of this was scripted.
@@LizardKingRequiem dude no standing up to white karens just = being physically assaulted and having the cops called on you lmaooooo like literally every time I listen to one of those reddit videos where a walmart karen accuses some random non-employee of literally KIDNAPPING A CHILD (said non-employees child, while doing grocery shopping like a normal person), then is like I WILL GET YOU FIRED AND IM BURNING THIS SUPERMARKET DOWN WITH ME. white carmens are never told no and if you challenge their worldview at all it is a PERSONAL ATTACK, not just correcting an outdated sentiment or phrase (my mom has unironically said "ching chong chinaman" and then tried to argue thats NOT racist when I stared at her in horror). the entitlement is unreal. that said, in spite of all of the obvious privileges most boomer white ladies have, a lot of my mom's (and women who grew up poor in her era) anger does come from not being "heard" or taken seriously when she was younger. my mom's family was horrifically abusive and she grew up being spoken down to and corrected constantly, even when she was objectively not wrong. being hyperdefensive and combative, ive learned, comes from a place of fear -- not necessarily OF the other person, but that you upset the other person unknowingly. its REALLY UNFORTUNATE trauma response, but when show-carmen says "I want my heart to be heard," I think what she's trying to say is "I dont have the vocabulary to say the right things, and I'm frustrated that the words I do have are hurting the people I'm trying to connect with." That doesnt make it right or good, but man at least 30-some years of living under and then unraveling the generational trauma I have has helped me speak karen, for better or for worse :| I wish they had an actual therapist (Not a "race expert" wtf is that) mediating, in part so that the black folks didnt have to do the emotional labor of teaching carmen the basics of race relations. and whats more upsetting about this is that its clearly not a thing of "the past was bad," because this was a major issue during the BLM protests a few summers back. White people kept fucking up and then being like "MY ONE BLACK FRIEND, TEACH ME BLACK" and its like...nooo thats not how this works, learn yourself ya lazy donkey I mean I also wish they didnt do ALLL the blackface too askdhfasj
She really went up to some random people just sitting in a park and said "is it because I'm white????" then started crying bc they were playing the drums too fast
@CafiteriaBae I mean she's young so she still has time to learn, but you can tell her parents have definitely had a negative impact on the way she views poc.
@@dinkyrussell75 mmmmmm….She has to WANT to unlearn the bigotry she’s learning, and that’s very difficult to do when she’s already surrounded by people who think like her. My hopes are significantly lower that she’ll shun the whole “racism is okay!” Idea.
I will say... I'm almost *certain* that clip was probably from the initial reactions interview when the families first met rather than something she thinks this deep in. Still not okay but better explains why she seemed to make such a sudden and dramatic shift from what we've seen of her so far
To willingly sign up you (and ur whole fk family) to be in black face on national television.. and not see a problem with that.. Idk but I feel like it would be impossible to find sane ppl to sign up for that
@@iimmannii I wanted to say that I highly doubt that normal people would think this tv show is okay. Cuz we started cancelling blackface back in 1950s 🤣💀 but I just noticed that this TV show still has a "50% liked" score on google.. so maybe you're right 😬
Luckily this ain’t my mom, but I have many friends moms who’ve done shit like that when I’ve been visiting 🤢 It builds a fight/flight in you real quick lmao
carmen not clocking that she was being an invasive species by going back to that lady in her true form was embarrassing to say the least and infuriating to say the most
I had to pause the video and walk out of the room for a sec at that point. It was too uncomfortable to watch honestly. That poor woman being subjected to the truth that Carmen was in black face is too much.
@@nherty6172 I really wish she did. Professionally shut them down. The camera prevents outrage but there's still integrity in telling someone, Carmen, and all the crew, that this is insulting.
Carmen: "I need a black friend who can teach me how to fit in as a black woman and what it means" Oh, you mean like the black family you just threw an absolute tantrum at for trying to explain that to you? Carmen: "I need somebody who knows that I'm white so they can guide me to fit in better" ohyoumeanliketheblackfamilyyoujustthrewanabsolutetantrumatfortryingtoexplainthattoyou?
Carmen: "I need a black person who can teach me how to fit in as a black woman and what it means (that won't criticize me for saying covertly racist things)"
It's so funny how if she had just said "Oh man, you're right, I can see how what I said might have had a negative connotation. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that." she could have totally ended it there. Instead, she made it a billion times worse for herself by freaking out like an edgy child.
How does Carmen think calling a human being a creature is okay, especially a race that historical been called animals and treated even worse than you would for an animal?!
Have you ever considered that she was trying to do poetry? Pretty badly, obviously, but she sounds like the kind of woman to use creature in that context. She was trying be flowery with her language. She is a cringy, middle age white woman. You do the math. The attempt at sounding "profound" often falls flat on its face. I'm not saying this woman isn't racist, but this isnt a good example.
Carmen giving an offensive “compliment” and then reacting aggressively to people for disagreeing, is giving vibes of the guys who sexually harass women, and then react aggressively when they won’t take the “compliment.” I find it really interesting how different types of prejudice can mirror each other like that.
It's entirely because both Carmen and those men objectify black people/women and do not view them as people, but something that can give them something. For the men it's sex, and for Carmen it's their worship to make her feel better and more powerful. In both cases they believe they are entitled to it, so when those groups turn out to be actual people with autonomy they become enraged. Another way to put it is nice guys will be nice to women without actually respecting them and then expect sex. Carmen believes that her "kindness" should earn her adoration, even when she doesn't even view this family as people.
Carmen reminds me way too much of my own stepmom. She screamed about "walking on eggshells" when I told her that saying "You almost look like a normal person!" wasn't a compliment.
This is a woman that asked a street vendor for a vibe check and blew up on her daughter for suggesting the black people might have the tiniest of legitimate perspectives in disagreeing with her. This woman is so out of her depth it’s questionable whether or not she even understands what it feels like to have everybody in a room judging you negatively the second they see you.
This is giving “no one can hurt your feelings unless you choose to let them hurt your feelings” like it’s only discrimination if you feel like it is! So just, don’t!
I appreciate that both Jordan and Jarvis were never afraid of calling out Rose's tone-deafness (while still giving her some slack because she was a minor). In the last videos, there were a ton of people defending her and wanting to think she was this woke child that's completely separated from her parents, but that's the image people wanted to make of her and not the reality, which is more complicated. At the end of the day, we do absorb a lot of what our parents teach us, and Jarvis and Jordan pointing out her flaws made me not surprised when she made that awful comment about Nick.
Same, I appreciate they didn’t wholly venerate Rose. She seems like she’s most willing to learn, but she still grew up around *these* parents so there’s only so much unlearning she could’ve done at her age in the early 2000s I was lucky to have done some learning a little earlier bc I had better access, but this type of learning is a forever process
I think it's also important to remember that this show is not current, and Rose is not the same person. From what I've seen she has a podcast that's Christian/spiritual but involves having a lot of POC guests on to talk about race-related topics. I don't know the exact level to which she's developed, but it definitely sounds like it's for the better.
I can't really blame her considering how her parents are. I mean, she's a child, and your parents are the main influence you have, whether that's a good thing or not Besides, if she got screeched at just for having an opinion that looked at both sides and wasn't just telling her mom she was right, she'd probably get a whole lot worse for trying to educate herself
I hate knowing that Deanna had to censor herself and was censored by the show to not speak out against the black face in the show. I know damn well she was not okay with that.
Something minor that really is sticking with me is the fact that Rose sees Nick as a “black stereotype” for being a completely normal teenage boy. Like, I don’t know if Rose hasn’t had many boy friends or what, but that’s… just how many teenage boys are when it comes to money and shopping.
Fr at least 3/4 of all teenage boys his age I’ve met act the same way about shopping. And I don’t see hardly any teenager regardless of who they are walking around with perfect grammar. I almost wonder if she hangs around people her age very often tbh
Yeah I was going to say I’ve barely met a boy who could talk properly around that age 😂 I have a feeling Rose was trying to say she was unfamiliar with the way he talked but…unfortunately…she went with inarticulate sigh. It’s my fault for believing in her
carmen has the same energy as the nice guys who slide into your dms, say they're super nice, make horrible comments about your body, and then spam you with screaming messages because you were like "ew" or you ignored them
"I don't want to have to think about my words" is some privileged nonsense. I grew up in a constant state of "picking my words" to coddle the sensibilities of white, Christian, neurotypical people I was always surrounded by. I did it to fucking survive and not feel like a total alien. The fucking nerve of this woman.
I told my husband the same thing. I'm white but my mom reminds me of Carmen. I am ND and I had to constantly be hypervigilant and on edge about what I said to not offend her, yet when it comes to her she can say whatever bigoted racist shit she wants.
@Oz I empathize completely. From a young age I had to mask constantly because my mother didn't want me "on the short bus" and it seriously impeded my educational and personal growth. Not only that but she's white and I'm not so I had to deal with the "I'm not racist I have a brown child" BS, too. But I'm happy to say that she's improved these past few years because me and my siblings have gained the courage to stand up to her and call her out. She still tries to pretend that she wasn't that bad, but I can also tell she's slowly taking what we say to heart. She has even asked for advice on how to communicate with ND people for her work as a nurse. I recognize that I'm lucky enough to have a parent who's willing to listen and change but I hope, someday, your mother will learn too. But if she has failed you too many times then I hope you cut her off because you deserve better.
Yeah it was almost shocking to hear her say something so close to being self aware…it basically boils down to “I don’t want to think about other peoples feelings or the consequences of my actions” and it’s like yeah Carmen we know, that’s the problem.
@@kingofichigo fr I found myself thinking about how if I was in a similar situation, as an autistic person, I'd probably try and save my meltdown for *after* I figured out why what I said was wrong,
"Whoever it bothered is... ignorant" I know this episode was mostly about Carmen but every sentence that comes out of Brunos mouth knocks a solid 5 years off my life.
Poor Diana had to keep smiling because she was on camera while her friend revealed it was going to be televised she fell for blackface. They where like “she’ll be out gateway to the community” and it’s like, NO! No sane person what’s the reputation of having participated in making the spectacle of there community and inviting someone in doing something so insulting.
then having to comfort a white woman melting down for not feeling welcome in a black community while diana was just trying to share part of her culture.... and seemed at least somewhat excited to do so.....
"she thought it was a compliment to call somebody a beautiful Black creature" like, what year does she think she lives in? 1863? People in the early 2000s heard 'creature' and they thought 'non-human animal'. Very obvious that somebody would hear they were a "beautiful Black creature" and get offended, like, you just called them a non-human animal and implied it's because they're black, wtf is wrong with you 28:45 You can see that woman's heart break in realtime. Imagine thinking you've found a friend and it was a white woman in blackface putting on a voice. OUCH
@@ronwapossibly I feel like that’s a joke like “bone apple teeth” but I don’t get it because I never got the original Is it a play on the ratio thing? Still don’t know what it means
@@stuffedbrains yeah its a play on ratio me and my friend say a lot, and I saw "+ alf" once and its just really funny to me. also ratio is just a meme twitter uses to show a take is unpopular, people will reply to tweets with some form of ratio and get more likes and retweets than the tweet theyre replying to, at least I think that's how it's used. I mostly say it ironically, hence radio instead of ratio
“It’s like thinking before you pray” ma’am you realise that in church, the person leading the prayer plans out what they’re going to say? Heck, even in Sunday school we had to decide what we would pray for and who was praying for what, and that was with a bunch of 3+ years old kids who could barely even manage a coherent sentence about what colours they liked. Safe to say helping at Sunday school as a teenager took years off my life
It made no sense so now I'm imagining her just constantly bothering Jesus with weird random small talk like he's a person in an elevator or a beautiful Black creature 🙃
“It’s like thinking before you pray” Yeah. Why the hell would you ever think about what you want to say to what you fully believe to be the all seeing all knowing perfect deity that created you, everyone, and everything around you and has the power to end everything at a moments notice?
I hope she was in on it early on because UGH nothing sucks like having to personally educate an ignorant person who's lived in privilege their whole life as a minority when all you were looking for was just some chill companionship with someone who gets you
The way the mom did not have the energy to go off on the adults so she chose to blow up on her very passive and kind daughter is BEYOND. She knew she was wrong and couldn't even discuss it with her boyfriend because he just kept changing the subject. And he just stood there and let it happen. What a couple.
"I need someone who knows I am white to help me gain entrance into the black community" Girl! They gave you a whole family for that! You already have black people who are specifically assigned to help you learn how to be black!!!
That part! The fact she needs to go deceive another Black person to get them to coddle her cuz she's treated the entire family she's literally living with so badly says a lot. You wouldn't need another person to teach you shit if you actually listened to the people you're living with, holy shit.
tbh rose's stance is 100% understandable coming from someone who is used to having to diffuse that kind of bomb that was absolutely a calculated choice of words designed in the hopes of _not_ setting off her mother, it was the most lukewarm of lukewarm takes before stepping over onto her side, and her mother _still_ blew up at her. like how much worse would it have been if rose _blatently_ disagreed with her? i think people looking at rose and going "why didnt you say anything/speak against her?" should really have a better understanding of how it is to grow up in a house where you have to couch everything you say with as many layers of padding as possible, in order to not be immediately yelled at or forced into an unwanted argument rose should be held to account for her own actions, but blaming her for something that is clearly a learned behaviour in order to not be verbally attacked is a bit harsh
Eh, I'd more say 30% understandable. My family situation is unfortunately very similar to hers, except it's mostly just my dad who's crazy, so I understand trying to defuse that bomb and the learned behavior associated with it. That being said (this from a white person by the way) there is no amount of mental gymnastics that will allow me to understand what the flying fuck she was thinking throughout the episode.
@@endergeek236 yeah and so was i? im not saying her individual racism is understandable, but specifically the way she responded to her mum in that situation was. she is a child, and regardless of whether or not her response was 'satisfactory', she is not responsible for disciplining her mother
@Onibee not while she's young no, though it should probably never be attempted. Many parents will believe that because they're the parent they're always right. My situation is similar to hers, the only difference is, is that if I talked back I was just beat instead. It never stopped me from speaking my mind and saying my parents were wrong, just stopped me from saying it in front of them. What would have been a smart move is to not have said anything at all because naturally her mom would have yelled at her unless she 100% agreed. Knowing you have a differing opinion should have already told her "oh yea I'm just not gonna say anything to this ticking bomb"
@@ms.tatortots5419 tbh there is no smart move. there isnt an express right or wrong way here. a child is not responsible for disciplining a parent if she doesnt say anything, her mum will assume she's agreeing, so will the other family, and so will the people watching. she's already being shredded because she didnt "say enough" i did the same thing as her many times, because you get lulled into this sense of "maybe this time is different?" or "if i just work my way up i can talk them into it?". then they snap and you retreat until things settle down and the cycle begins again people react differently to abuse, and labelling it as smart or not is just unkind to the victim and irrelevent to whats happening, abusers find a way and a target, pointing at the victim and telling them to change does nothing but blame them for their own abuse
speaking out has gotten me thrown down stairs, shoved into walls, and slapped, and kicked out. i stifled myself finally until i had the means to get tf out. now i speak out again because now i’m an adult and independent. i can survive it now
oh my god _diana._ holy fuck i feel so bad for her. that seemed so genuine. she felt like she made a real connection with this fucking imaginary person. this show is so fucked up i honestly hope that was staged because oh my god the ethical implications of subjecting this random woman to that goodbye.
I feel like she must've learned the truth about Carmen for real off-screen, and then they filmed like, a reenactment of the moment afterwards. No way we can know for sure, obviously, but that's the vibe I'm getting. Either that or they cut out a LOT, because I just can't believe Diana would've actually taken it all in stride and bounced back _that_ quickly. Plus something about the whole "Yeah I'm waiting for Carmen, and YOU SURE AS HELL AREN'T HER, HAHAHA..." feels kinda. Y'know. Staged. So either they revealed the truth to her already, or she was never fooled at all and guessed what was coming by that point.
@@elsie8757 i dont know how much was _scripted,_ but yes, the white family were all actors so i think all of their behaviour was for show and "entertainment"
bruh hearing Rose getting chewed out for saying her mom MIGHT not be totally right just... hurt. Rose might not have been right but you know she's used to talking her mom down.
God poor Rose, this show is the perfect depiction of how racism is taught. Like even “both sides-ing” racism is too frustrating for her mom. Also proving why a lot of the time intent is irrelevant. When you accidentally knock over someone’s drink, you still apologize even if you didn’t mean to.
I was just trying to (very stupidly) take a sip of my water and then Jarvis said "Melanated Beasts and Where to Find Them by J.K. Rowling" and I had to try so hard not to do a spit take.
Carmen saying that she can’t be bothered to think about her words, BUT people should psychically guess what she means is a different level of ignorance. Both her and Bruno just doubling down instead of JUST APOLOGIZING is insane to watch.
As someone who forgets to think before speaking Carmen is so annoying on how she takes it. You are always responsible for how you make someone feel regardless of intent. It’s not that hard to just genuinely apologize and try to be better. It’s the bare minimum people are asking for really. How you respond to constructive and reasonable criticism speaks louder than any words you are saying.
@@tidepodpadthai2633 Not if you made them and continue to make them feel that way? And refuse to accept the consequences of your continued actions. You can't be an antagonist, say victims don't matter, then be upset no one wants to be around you. Even narcissist know that how other people feel ABOUT THEM because of THEIR ACTIONS will impact them.
@@takeyiatwitty2216 tbh just ignore that commenter. from looking at their other comments they seem to be a troll, or just a really uneducated asshole, but i’m slightly inclined to believe the first option.
28:37 this is horrible but so funny I could almost hear her brain making windows shut down noises before having her world flipped like oh my god I knew it was coming but her reaction made me cringe like crazy I'm so sorry she had to experience that and I hate how funny I found it
This whole thing just makes me think of the Bo Burnham lyrics "What can I do to help?" "Read a book or something, I don't know Just don't burden me with the responsibility of educating you It's incredibly exhausting" Like Deanna learns that her new friend Carmen has been doing blackface this whole time and then is instantly assigned to teach her about how racism works. I feel like she's got better things to do than hold Carmen's hand and tell her that black people can't just stop being black.
18:58 it's so frustrating when other white people assume that just bc they don't understand slang it means its inarticulate. To be articulate it to be precise and accurate with your language, and AAVE is literally developed to be functional language, it evolves much faster than standard English so by nature it is more efficient and precise for the people living the life it was developed in. Ex: "cop me that" is just as efficient as "get me that" and possibly more percise, just bc rose wasn't familiar with that phrase it doesn't make him less articulate.
It's just an example of white people feeling "out of the loop" when they don't understand something. So to deflect, they try to make black people feel stupid about using AAVE.
Yeah my partner was raised in a black community and as a result uses a lot of the slang they use. I found it so goofy at first because I had no idea what he was saying and would make him explain himself a lot (I’m was also not very familiar with slang because it was just not something I interacted with much). We would always go back and forth because I would tell him to just use words I knew and he would say I should learn what he was saying. Me not understanding him didn’t make him any less intelligent than me. It’s sad that the girl saw herself as more “superior” because she didn’t use slang like him and because she couldn’t understand him. He’s a smart boy, just a dumb teen
Oh my gods. Carmen blowing up on her daughter like… triggered me I guess. That was exactly how all the family I had growing up reacted to any criticism. As the child/teen, I would get ALL of the frustration. I’d suddenly be in charge to manage their emotions for them. White adults like this are literally children behind closed doors.
Yea that women sounds EXACTLY like my mother. The reaction to criticism. The "I'm not racist" brand of racism. The narcissism and guilt tripping. Playing the victim. It's kinda uncanny. Also staged or not this show is awful wtf
Literally growing up in a conservative household and being screamed at whenever I disagreed because they’re “allowed to have their own opinions” (and apparently so am I, as long as I never express it) is absolutely infuriating, and this show definitely brought me back to that. Having to listen to your parents make jokes about harming minorities, and scoff when people literally just ask for human rights. I don’t know how I kept myself from exploding.
Does anyone else notice that at 12:03 Bruno is in the background looking like a villain training his apprentice Carmen? Like he looks like the only thought going through his tiny brain is “yes, my apprentice, let the ignorance flow through you”
the sheer white lady rage carmen expresses at her daughter is super familiar. when trying to confront my own parents about our collective privilege they flip the fuck out. even down to the "dont correct me right now!". dont underestimate people who havent been forced to think critically for 50 years of life i guess
This isn’t only about racism, it’s about respecting boundaries. If somebody tells you to not say this word in front of them don’t say it! Getting mad at them about it isn’t gonna fix anything
@@Rushboat this is an old comment but i’m literally paused right now at the moment she reveals herself and i’m just scrolling through comments, also afraid 💀
Nick answering his mom's rhetorical questions is giving me painful flashbacks to when my grandma told me "I'm tired of you saying 'huh' and 'uh-huh' all the time when those aren't even real words. How would you even spell those?" My dumbass spelled them out for her and got the absolute shit smacked outta me. I wasn't even answering her to be a smart ass either. I just really thought she'd never seen those words written out before and didn't know how to spell them.
I hate when people fail to realize that all words are made up and there's no reason to criticize how others speak. Definitely what others say, like racist ass Carmen here, but ya know. People say "ain't" isn't a word when so many used to say it. It's just that poor people started saying it and rich were like nah you ruined it. People are ridiculously selfish and bigoted lmao.
I mean? In your defense, I'm not sure what else she could've meant? "That's not a real word", okay, fine, like, I can understand that means she wants a more substantial response. But questioning whether those words can even be _spelled?_ What does that mean?? What point does she think she's making with that??
That is the most stereotypical white woman I've ever seen outside of a parody.
i’m white and it still shocked me how stereotypical she is
she's literally a Karen I swear! Even her name sounds similar to Karen...
Which one lmao
@@Ashh602 The mom.
White person here, I’m still not entirely convinced I’m not either being elaborately trolled or having the world’s most uncomfortable hallucination
Carmen “not wanting to have to think about her words” is the most infuriating, privileged rhetoric I’ve heard in a while
I’m trying to imagine if someone brought up that black people have to walk on eggshells and choose their “WORDS-UH” very carefully to her right then. I think she literally would have burst a blood vessel lmao
LITERALLY LIKE???? I COULDNT. EVEN PARODY THIS ANY HARDER
Sometimes my mom says that when I try to explain trans and queer issues to her and then I want to scream.
That woman also once said something along the lines of "people make too big of a deal out of saying *insert N-word*" but I can't remember exactly what she said because my brain was just reeling too hard from her saying the N-word. But I do remember it was at a Denny's.
@@mayanightstar a very similar situation happened with my mother but in a Dollar General,,
@@theresurrectionist what is wrong with our moms x'D
Carmen going full white woman tears mode when her daughter even slightly disagreed with her was so in character
the way she snapped and Rose flinched reminded me way too much of my own verbally abusive parents.
Just the possibility that she might've made a mistake with her word choice (therefore making her inarticulate) literally brought her to her knees in tears, as if her identity (her identity as a "good person" aka not racist) was on the line
My mom is like that too but….we worry she’s a narcissist. So it doesn’t bode well :(
@@FuckTheTH-camUsernameChange rose looked moreso shocked, i was too
@@__m-a-x__ that's what it seems to me, just watching these clips!
the irony of carmen hysterical over having to "walk on eggshells." as if being black doesn't create a lifetime of anxiety over how you're percieved
And that her daughter grew up walking on eggshells to talk to her.
Both of these comments are so accurate. The amount of self awareness is zero for her.
Literally what I was thinking
Someone should tell her that oppressed groups are walking on eggshells 24/7
I love your comment. This show gives me so much anxiety
*White woman learns about racial injustice that isn’t about her:* Makes it about her and cries A LOT.
I just hit the first crying part like 1 second ago and that was cringe enough. I hate to know there's more
the definition of all the white ppl in the focus group crying "racism is real & it's against white ppl 😭" 😳
This give off: « man just heard about racism this shit’s wack » vibes
Karen's gone Karen I guess.😌
When Carmen raised her voice at Rose I physically flinched. Like let’s not beat around the bush here, that’s verbal abuse. As a parent you just do not scream expletives at your child. Every time Rose talks to her mom it feels like she’s picking her words super carefully walking on eggshells so she doesn’t get screamed at or guilt tripped or dragged into an exhausting argument. I lived in that exact situation and it’s caused me serious lasting issues. Also important: if Carmen acts like this while she knows she’s on camera, what do you think she does when no one’s filming.
Yeah and you know that rose probably didn't even want to do this but her family def pressured/guilted her into being a part of the show. Like her parents were just interested in the fetishization/ "I can say slurs now" part while rose was like "I might as well just try to learn what I can I guess"
Rose actually isn't her child which makes it worse. The only real family is the Black family. Carmen was an exec producer who gave them her own last name (Wurgle), both Bruno and Rose are paid actors. You can Google it actually it's well documented!
@@rocktricksp1159 WHAT????
@@samusa4581 Yeah Google it haha it's mentioned in the wiki page as well
@@rocktricksp1159 huh?!?
'I WANT MY HEART TO BE SEEN' is a very very bad justification for being racist to a child
poor carmen, having her freedom of expression _stifled_ for something as little as racism :,(
Just saying, she may have been in Washington DC in Early January this year...
Racist and literally fetishing to a child
I can’t with this show man, I WANT MY HEART TO BE SEEN but more importantly I want the racist shit that my “heart” spews out to be taken as great while I treat these children of color as something other than human
I mean to be fair there is no good justification for being racist to a child but Carmen's being racist AND playing the victim so she gets double points. Points for what? No idea
Crazy how being “inarticulate” is a “black stereotype,” but Carmen is the one who completely melts down if she can’t use one or two words in her vocabulary.
she only knows about 100 words in total so it makes sense for her to panic over not being able to say a few /j
I absolutely adore your pfp
Honestly, gives me vibes of when transphobes get pissy about "having to change their language", which I wasn't around or at least a fully sentient being in the early 2000s, seeing as I was born 2003, so like, this is something I find really interesting. Like, another example of history repeating itself.
@@kiralonely God I'm old. But yeah, the 2000's were WAY different than today when it comes to how all marginalized groups were treated. It wasn't that long ago, but the difference is drastic.
Oh yes - the irony is delicious.
"Why can't you understand me without me having to think how to structure a sentence. I didn't say the wrong word. The correct meaning of any word is whatever the nearest white person defines it to be." hahaha
I love how often Bruno is like "I'm so tired of this race stuff" on this reality show about race he signed up to do.
I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got
He just joined to say the n word, dude
@@tundra4331 for real. i'm convinced it's the only reason he did this show
@@tundra4331he literally gets bored until he gets another opportunity to say it i swear
god i felt so bad for diana i can’t imagine how soul crushing it would be to find out your “friend” was a white person in black face
especially after most of your bonding came from a place of what seemed like shared feelings and experiences as black women
and having to go through that on camera too
I feel like it was fake like she knew and it was just for the camera
I reaaaally hope she was in on it from the beginning 😭
Not to derail you but the surreal feeling that just surged through me when I saw my name used in a comment by someone w my same profile picture... I was like omg why is this other Djungelskog feeling bad for me???
Sheesh. Imagine being a teenager trying to learn about how to be more accepting of POC and then your mom screeches at you for not agreeing with her racist statement.
That actually made me jump when the mom started screaming at the daughter. No one listens when you scream at them.
I’m like 90% sure she only said that kind of “i can see where both of you are coming from” thing because she knew her mom was going to lash out on her if she said anything directly against it
It’s ironic how she’s getting so upset about having to choose her words when her daughter most likely has to do the same thing around her
Growing up Southern in a nutshell..
I love your name.
@@whiteegretorchids8234 it’s not even ironic, it’s just sad at this point
This show makes me so uncomfortable but the cut to Nick with an apple on his head is legitimately the funniest thing I've ever seen
What makes it funnier is that there is absolutely no context. They don’t explain why he has the apple on his head. It’s just accepted behavior
And he just… HAS IT. Like someone’s about to shoot an arrow at it
I feel like he’s trying to do one of those balance exercises? But he’s sitting down????
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😐
I feel so bad for Diana. Her smile fading when Carmen revealed herself, then having to pretend everything was okay and act like "oh someone I thought was my friend was doing blackface all along! Isn't that so neat! Hahaha!"
literally as bad as i want to finish this video, i can’t. ever since i was little i couldn’t watch scenes like this play out.
don't worry ill finish for the both of us im ok with losing faith in humanity just a little more
@@wrenholder8436 bro's Atlas fr, Jesus on the cross dying for our sins
She is upset because she was expecting to be praised for her "poetry" and for thinking black people are beautiful but instead she was confronted about the fact she sees black people as another species to herself and basically fetishises them
She really does fetishize black people- the first episode on Jarvis’ channel when she saw her husband in blackface and immediately went “ooh there’s just some type of black warmth about him”
Like ma’am what
She identifies as a "good person" so she just assumes she isn't racist. Then, she gets confronted with the reality of her own racism and her entire world crumbles, leaving us with a blubbering white lady choking back alligator tears because she's "uncomfortable" she just found out that she's racist and she would prefer to remain in denial about it
To me, it's more gross fetishization than dehumanizing. "Beautiful creature" is an innocuous phrase that's often been used by someone admiring the beauty of another. Essentially this is just the whities admiring their "beautiful black skin" which does definitely feel weird and gross, but the focus on the word creature does seem like a mistake. And yeah I get that there's a history of dehumanization there, but in this case i think they objected to the wrong part.
Also, I don't understand why it seems like they've never interacted with black people. The white family is insane.
Yeah Carmen is a crazy person. You gotta feel for the girl being raised by these people, and being publicly displayed for the internet to laugh at.
@@sidthompson9538 you'd be shocked how common racial fetishization toward black men is among straight women
Not to the level of straight men to asian/Latina women, but still severe
I just love how bruno is talking about how calm and civilised they are while his wife is having a mental breakdown over being told why what she said was racist
I dunno, I think it's just him he thinks is rational, and women are emotional too. But when it's white women it's because they have passion or some shit.
The fact anyone referenced black people as “beautiful creatures” on national television still lives rent free in my head. Insane.
Fr like what???? It may sound like a compliment but its so weird as it refers to black people as like a separate thing, different from white people, not even human 💀💀
calling ANYONE a creature is weird in general, but that was flat out racist and the fact she couldn't even figure out why calling someone a word like creature is bad is just... what
@@sambradley9091 litterally tho spittin fax
She’s buggin
Your username is *chef's kiss*
I think the biggest problem with this show (besides the black face) is that the show itself never challenges what the white people say or do. That burden is solely placed on the black family.
That is definitely a problem but the hope is people close to them saw them on the show and read them their rights. I mean I would but I don’t associate with this caliber of family
Yeah the whole bit about “oh these people are the most black” with the drumming circle bit pissed me off because they never go “oh these people are the most white” aka Carmen and Bruno. It’s like they’re saying black people are the problem and white people need to learn about them to “fix them”, like I wanna punch the show makers so much
Honestly Carmen's tantrum is the most frustrating thing to me. She starts the show all "I'm gonna Become Black and learn the True Black Experience 😇 This is Learning and Growth 😇" but she refuses to acknowledge when she's wrong! She doesn't listen to criticism from anyone- from the other family, from her own daughter, and she BARELY listens to that chick she befriends later too...
She clearly sees herself as a trailblazer of interracial understanding, as someone so open and forward-thinking, and "not like those other white people who can't see the value in other races". Therefore the idea that she actually fails too sometimes and unconsciously falls into the same thought patterns and behaviour as the people she looks down on is unbearable to her, and instead of thinking about WHY black people tell her that some stuff she does or says isn't okay, she considers them ungrateful for not appreciating her being "better" than the average racist. It's literally ALL about her.
“I feel like my best friend has died” that scene was maybe the most uncomfortable yet I died 4 times watching it, minimum
Right?! I feel so bad for Diane 😢
I felt terrible for her
it broke me bruh holy shit that was so sad :(
the way her face dropped when Carmen was like "I'm Carmen 😃". god i felt so bad for Diana, after bonding with her "friend" through something that was supposed to be shared experiences.. on CAMERA too!
Wait until the husband says something…
bruno has definitely said “i’m not white, i’m italian” at some point in his life
Bruno killed his ex-wife and her lover in the 90’s and was acquitted of all charges
@@SirArthurTheGreat did he actually
@@HE4RTSLABYUL
It’s an OJ joke lol
@@HE4RTSLABYUL he did if we all believe he did
silencio bruno
Y'know, as an autistic kid whose always been the kind to think and choose my words carefully to convey my message as best as possible in the most sincere way to my feelings as possible with the words I understand the most it blows my mind to remember that there are genuinely people out there that blow the fuck up anytime someone points out any kind of miscommunication, unnecessary negative conntations and or offensive words/wordings.
Hearing a GROWN WOMAN scream at her daughter because she used racist wording in a completely unnecessary way is just.. wow. Is it that hard to say "you're a beautiful person"??
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Especially the "If you misinterpret it, that's your problem," and Carmen basically saying she wanted people to read her mind.
Dude, same! I just apologize, explain my intent, and take the advice for how to get it across better/less rude next time.
Of course it is! How DARE any creature-I mean “person”-correct Carmen? She’s white and therefore always correct! 🙄
I flipping hate the mom.
By the way the mom treated her daughter, I'm concerned about what she does when cameras aren't present
Honestly
Doesn't it speak lengths the way she blows her top the minute her daughter enters the conversation, almost as if she represents the usual, preferred target of her boiled over frustrations
Rose’s initial reaction of, “I understand why BOTH of you are offended,” before Carmen even blows up is telling in and of itself. She’s tiptoeing on eggshells, trying to get Carmen to bring down her defenses so she can explain to her that she’s wrong without making it seem like ‘everyone’s ganging up on her.’ There is no way this is the first time Carmen blew up on Rose.
as someone who has dealt with horrible parents who abused me i can tell when something much much deeper is going on behind the scenes and i can feel this with the way carmen treats rose
@@slimkt yeah, and god even when i knew my mom was wrong i always said "i can see both sides" when I was at my bravest. Otherwise smile and nod. Narcissistic moms just will blow up if you mildly insunuate they're wrong
Carmen saying that she refuses to live in a world where she has to walk on eggshells, while speaking to her daughter who is clearly doing what she can to avoid saying the wrong thing to her mother, is so tragically ironic
My family uses the term “walking on eggshells”. They’re straight-up abusive but they’ll never acknowledge it or change.
Your Markiplier picture just reminded me of SuperMega and I don’t feel good
A direct display of generational trauma leeching into a child who has no way to get out. Woof
yeah also on a show about race and racism but she doesn’t realize that black ppl are constantly walking on eggshells to conform to white culture and to be treated with respect and humanity
i hate when people say they’re “walking on eggshells” when people are calmly trying explain why they were hurt by that persons actions
carmen really called a woman a “black creature” and threw a fit when people called her out on it wtf 😭
how are these people real
Nah, she called her a BEAUTIFUL black creature. So thats wayyyyyy better /s
@@thats_totes_yeet_yo5281 SOBS
@@thats_totes_yeet_yo5281 it's not!
@elle_l808l /s is used to indicate sarcasm
@@aloraeback-vt1ck oh 😂 thanks for letting me know
Carmen sure is letting her heart be seen! Her whole entire heart, just on display! On TV!
Her whole beautiful creature heart!
@@sutaru14star her lovely beastly heart ❤️
My words exactly
Carmen really going full mask-off on live television, huh
I have not yet watched the video, I'm assuming that this comment means that Carmen gets open heart surgery in this episode. I'll update y'all once I've watched.
Edit: I have now watched. I was incorrect.
i hope the black family got paid extra as compensation. i felt uncomfortable watching that i can’t imagine having to live with those ppl 😭
Whatever they were paid, it was not enough.
Ah damn, now you've got me paranoid that they got paid less! 😭
With this Cross Fire of a show, I'd be stunned if they got paid at all.
They need to get $10K additional each and as many restraining orders as they want against everyone related to the show, automatically authorized.
Not that that would help, given law enforcement. But I bet Carmen would lose her whole mind over it.
Oh you just KNOW they were paid less 😂
Rose being neutral seems like a learned behaviour to avoid getting into a fight with her mum, and even then her mum still shouted at her. I used to always fight with my dad and now that I'm in my 20's, I'm just tired of it. It's easier to let him be a racist homophobic a-hole and live my own life because no argument will ever get through to him, it's a waste of energy that I could use actually helping people.
yyyyyep, i often see myself having to like, pretend to nod along to all kinds of religious and transphobic bullshit my mother says (even though I'm trans myself) and pretend like "even though i disagree there might be substance to your words" even though that's absolutely not the case, and her behaviour is nowhere near as deranged as this. Speaking out is incredibly stressful and it's often safer to just. stay low. or whatever it's called
Oh my god it’s the most frustrating thing ever, especially when you have to put away your own feelings and sensibilities because you realize that no amount of arguing is going to change bad behavior, I have so many family members that are straight up racist and yet cannot comprehend why they are, and I have tried to explain their bad behavior to them but it just makes the conversations exhausting and nothing ends up going through, not to mention they pull the “you’re just a child” card
The whole creature "debate" hit really close to home for me because the president of my university called educated black students "rare creatures" and he deadass thought it was a compliment
Admissions and university heads really think they out here playing Pokemon 😭
He did what 😭
"I just spotted a rare black creature!"
The generation who grew up doing Jim Crow thinking they turned out alright but in fact racism is so deeply ingrained in them they think blk ppl should be happy to be called a creature just dont call them that though they'll get offended but characterize blk ppl with non human language they just can't see the harm.
Bro legit thinks human beings are Pokemon or something
Not a fully grown woman having a temper tantrum over people telling her that something she has said has negative connotations and that she could have said it in a different way 😭
YES WHY COULDN'T SHE JUST SAy IM SORRY
Also the irony of her not wanting to “choose her words” after her daughter JUST chose her words carefully to not have her lose her mind and scream at her…. And she did anyways
why is she freaking out on her daughter for having empathy 💀?
Because if she gives any ground that what she said was in any way bad then she's kind of admitting that she was at least some degree racist. A lot of people are very attached to this idea they are one of the "good whites" that are completely colorblind and would never do, say, or even think anything racist ever.
She's angry that her daughter isn't a narcissist like her
And she's freaking tf out over "minimumal words". She's upset cuz she was proven wrong and she's lashing out. But I have no clue why she EXPLODED. From 0-100 real f-- okay well 35-100 real fast
I wonder if there will ever be a point where I'm not just knocked the fuck out by every new development on this show
I watched every episode after catching Jordan and Jarvis’ first reaction video, and I’m gonna say naw. Every time you think it’ll be the most cringe-inducing thing you’ll see, the next scene tops it.
My jaw hurts from hitting the floor so many times
I honestly don't know how to feel. This was the peak of reality TV manipulation and staging. On the one hand, I can believe production happily manipulating earnest participants. On the other hand, I can believe that most of this was scripted.
As someone who has a white mom who sounds exactly like Carmen when she yells, that scene put me into fight or flight mode instantly
Same 😂
same
but my mom isnt mean so im ok
If it makes you feel better, she’s white!! So if you stand your ground she’ll crumble eventually ☺️
Children of karens unite in our trauma :| I straight thought she was about to throw a fucking plate lmao
@@LizardKingRequiem dude no standing up to white karens just = being physically assaulted and having the cops called on you lmaooooo like literally every time I listen to one of those reddit videos where a walmart karen accuses some random non-employee of literally KIDNAPPING A CHILD (said non-employees child, while doing grocery shopping like a normal person), then is like I WILL GET YOU FIRED AND IM BURNING THIS SUPERMARKET DOWN WITH ME.
white carmens are never told no and if you challenge their worldview at all it is a PERSONAL ATTACK, not just correcting an outdated sentiment or phrase (my mom has unironically said "ching chong chinaman" and then tried to argue thats NOT racist when I stared at her in horror). the entitlement is unreal.
that said, in spite of all of the obvious privileges most boomer white ladies have, a lot of my mom's (and women who grew up poor in her era) anger does come from not being "heard" or taken seriously when she was younger. my mom's family was horrifically abusive and she grew up being spoken down to and corrected constantly, even when she was objectively not wrong. being hyperdefensive and combative, ive learned, comes from a place of fear -- not necessarily OF the other person, but that you upset the other person unknowingly. its REALLY UNFORTUNATE trauma response, but when show-carmen says "I want my heart to be heard," I think what she's trying to say is "I dont have the vocabulary to say the right things, and I'm frustrated that the words I do have are hurting the people I'm trying to connect with."
That doesnt make it right or good, but man at least 30-some years of living under and then unraveling the generational trauma I have has helped me speak karen, for better or for worse :|
I wish they had an actual therapist (Not a "race expert" wtf is that) mediating, in part so that the black folks didnt have to do the emotional labor of teaching carmen the basics of race relations. and whats more upsetting about this is that its clearly not a thing of "the past was bad," because this was a major issue during the BLM protests a few summers back. White people kept fucking up and then being like "MY ONE BLACK FRIEND, TEACH ME BLACK" and its like...nooo thats not how this works, learn yourself ya lazy donkey
I mean I also wish they didnt do ALLL the blackface too askdhfasj
She really went up to some random people just sitting in a park and said "is it because I'm white????" then started crying bc they were playing the drums too fast
….every comment on here worries me because I keep reading them before getting to the part and I’m just consistently getting whiplash 😂
@@shirin9452it sounds too crazy to be true but then you get to the scene and it’s like ohh.. they weren’t lying
I'm way too high for this comment 😂
I felt bad for Rose when her mom yelled at her, and then immediately lost my sympathy when she called Nick inarticulate
@CafiteriaBae I mean she's young so she still has time to learn, but you can tell her parents have definitely had a negative impact on the way she views poc.
Im just watching the likes on this comment go up and up
@@dinkyrussell75 mmmmmm….She has to WANT to unlearn the bigotry she’s learning, and that’s very difficult to do when she’s already surrounded by people who think like her. My hopes are significantly lower that she’ll shun the whole “racism is okay!” Idea.
I will say... I'm almost *certain* that clip was probably from the initial reactions interview when the families first met rather than something she thinks this deep in. Still not okay but better explains why she seemed to make such a sudden and dramatic shift from what we've seen of her so far
I mean, look at the people who raised her. She is so young, she will learn as she grows out of the care of those freaks.
It's like the show looked for the most racist family in the world that refuses to admit that they're racist
Honestly I would not be surprised if you said they chose them completely at random
To willingly sign up you (and ur whole fk family) to be in black face on national television.. and not see a problem with that..
Idk but I feel like it would be impossible to find sane ppl to sign up for that
"guess who's coming to dinner"
@@josephine.alexandraa nah, at the time it was not nearly as discussed as a bad thing
@@iimmannii I wanted to say that I highly doubt that normal people would think this tv show is okay. Cuz we started cancelling blackface back in 1950s 🤣💀 but I just noticed that this TV show still has a "50% liked" score on google.. so maybe you're right 😬
Goddamn Deanna’s recovery from the Carmen reveal is so telling. Like she went into full suppression mode.
Carmen snapped so quick that I legit almost choked on my drink. Jesus.
The absolute nerve this woman has to get angry after calling black people "creatures" smh
it really reminds me of a certain member of my family lol
Luckily this ain’t my mom, but I have many friends moms who’ve done shit like that when I’ve been visiting 🤢
It builds a fight/flight in you real quick lmao
Angry Karens like her deserve to have their meltdowns recorded for the world to see and rewatch over the years.
carmen not clocking that she was being an invasive species by going back to that lady in her true form was embarrassing to say the least and infuriating to say the most
omg, not her true form
I had to pause the video and walk out of the room for a sec at that point. It was too uncomfortable to watch honestly. That poor woman being subjected to the truth that Carmen was in black face is too much.
@@MadAliceInWonderland and she was put in a situation where she can't properly react cos there is a camera.
@@nherty6172 I really wish she did. Professionally shut them down. The camera prevents outrage but there's still integrity in telling someone, Carmen, and all the crew, that this is insulting.
her true form like she's a mythical shape-shifting creature
Carmen: "I need a black friend who can teach me how to fit in as a black woman and what it means"
Oh, you mean like the black family you just threw an absolute tantrum at for trying to explain that to you?
Carmen: "I need somebody who knows that I'm white so they can guide me to fit in better"
ohyoumeanliketheblackfamilyyoujustthrewanabsolutetantrumatfortryingtoexplainthattoyou?
Carmen: "I need a black person who can teach me how to fit in as a black woman and what it means (that won't criticize me for saying covertly racist things)"
"I need a black friend who can teach me how to be black, except she has to let me say whatever I want all the time and never criticize me for it"
Carmen screaming at Rose for being neutral makes my melanized skin crawl
It makes my Mayo skin crawl ngl
Anyone who has skin had their skin crawl
@@snakeygirl4296 except for bruno
@@BaStTiLo Makes sense, the skin he's got probably isn't his, thus can't crawl.
It makes my severely dehydrated skin crawl
Carmen really said "if I can't be blatantly racist I can't live in a world like that" why was she so mad???
It's so funny how if she had just said "Oh man, you're right, I can see how what I said might have had a negative connotation. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that." she could have totally ended it there. Instead, she made it a billion times worse for herself by freaking out like an edgy child.
How does Carmen think calling a human being a creature is okay, especially a race that historical been called animals and treated even worse than you would for an animal?!
even if she was THAT ignorant, it wouldve cost her NOTHING to just accept that she was wrong after being educated
She just *reallly* doesn't like thinking about her actions
That "not" in there confused me for a second, lol.
Honestly even ignoring that, it's weird to describe someone as a creature... She couldn't even accept that
Have you ever considered that she was trying to do poetry? Pretty badly, obviously, but she sounds like the kind of woman to use creature in that context.
She was trying be flowery with her language. She is a cringy, middle age white woman. You do the math.
The attempt at sounding "profound" often falls flat on its face. I'm not saying this woman isn't racist, but this isnt a good example.
Carmen giving an offensive “compliment” and then reacting aggressively to people for disagreeing, is giving vibes of the guys who sexually harass women, and then react aggressively when they won’t take the “compliment.” I find it really interesting how different types of prejudice can mirror each other like that.
I didn’t know how to articulate it but I was thinking the same thing
hadnt even thought of that, youre so right
"I said you had a gorgeous ass. Why are you offended it's a compliment"
It's entirely because both Carmen and those men objectify black people/women and do not view them as people, but something that can give them something. For the men it's sex, and for Carmen it's their worship to make her feel better and more powerful. In both cases they believe they are entitled to it, so when those groups turn out to be actual people with autonomy they become enraged.
Another way to put it is nice guys will be nice to women without actually respecting them and then expect sex. Carmen believes that her "kindness" should earn her adoration, even when she doesn't even view this family as people.
@@binoodle511 very well said!
Carmen reminds me way too much of my own stepmom. She screamed about "walking on eggshells" when I told her that saying "You almost look like a normal person!" wasn't a compliment.
Carmen really asked why a black woman just HAS to experience discrimination everyday. Like it's a choice omg.
This is a woman that asked a street vendor for a vibe check and blew up on her daughter for suggesting the black people might have the tiniest of legitimate perspectives in disagreeing with her. This woman is so out of her depth it’s questionable whether or not she even understands what it feels like to have everybody in a room judging you negatively the second they see you.
It’s like…how would she know, but also HOW COULD SHE NOT KNOW
This is giving “no one can hurt your feelings unless you choose to let them hurt your feelings” like it’s only discrimination if you feel like it is! So just, don’t!
@@gh0stpuppi333 Isn't that word for word what Bruno said in ep 1? Birds of a feather sure flock together...
I appreciate that both Jordan and Jarvis were never afraid of calling out Rose's tone-deafness (while still giving her some slack because she was a minor). In the last videos, there were a ton of people defending her and wanting to think she was this woke child that's completely separated from her parents, but that's the image people wanted to make of her and not the reality, which is more complicated.
At the end of the day, we do absorb a lot of what our parents teach us, and Jarvis and Jordan pointing out her flaws made me not surprised when she made that awful comment about Nick.
Same, I appreciate they didn’t wholly venerate Rose. She seems like she’s most willing to learn, but she still grew up around *these* parents so there’s only so much unlearning she could’ve done at her age in the early 2000s
I was lucky to have done some learning a little earlier bc I had better access, but this type of learning is a forever process
I think it's also important to remember that this show is not current, and Rose is not the same person. From what I've seen she has a podcast that's Christian/spiritual but involves having a lot of POC guests on to talk about race-related topics.
I don't know the exact level to which she's developed, but it definitely sounds like it's for the better.
@@mastermarkus5307 Why’d you add “but” to your reply? I don’t think it’s relevant since Christians and POC aren’t mutually exclusive
Yeah they always acknowledge that she is trying but absolutely has very very much to learn
I can't really blame her considering how her parents are.
I mean, she's a child, and your parents are the main influence you have, whether that's a good thing or not
Besides, if she got screeched at just for having an opinion that looked at both sides and wasn't just telling her mom she was right, she'd probably get a whole lot worse for trying to educate herself
LMAO AT 27:41 WHEN BRUNO SAID NEGRO I GOT AN AD SAYING ''ever wondered if there's a limit to our imagination?''
I hate knowing that Deanna had to censor herself and was censored by the show to not speak out against the black face in the show. I know damn well she was not okay with that.
I gasped out loud when Rose called Nick inarticulate. I had the same reaction- No! You were the only chance we had! We can't lose you!!!
"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!"
I WAS ROOTING FOR YOU, WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU
I am PRAYING they took that quote out of context for the final cut
@@vinnyart92 YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY THE RACISTS NOT JOIN THEM. 😭
Its not offensive to say slang is hard to understand, or inarticulate
27:17 Every time I watch this my head goes „A whole new sluuur“ with the melody from Aladdin and I cant unhear it now
Something minor that really is sticking with me is the fact that Rose sees Nick as a “black stereotype” for being a completely normal teenage boy. Like, I don’t know if Rose hasn’t had many boy friends or what, but that’s… just how many teenage boys are when it comes to money and shopping.
Fr at least 3/4 of all teenage boys his age I’ve met act the same way about shopping. And I don’t see hardly any teenager regardless of who they are walking around with perfect grammar. I almost wonder if she hangs around people her age very often tbh
most teenage boys who act like that are WHITE too (at least of what I've seen). my school is full of dudes like that
@@sidthompson9538 Heck, it's not even bad grammar, AAVE is a whole dialect of English with its own grammatical rules.
yes! I was gonna say the same thing!!
Yeah I was going to say I’ve barely met a boy who could talk properly around that age 😂 I have a feeling Rose was trying to say she was unfamiliar with the way he talked but…unfortunately…she went with inarticulate sigh. It’s my fault for believing in her
that part where carmen yelled at rose was genuinely terrifying is that woman ok
She’s too far gone. Is Rose ok?
Poor Rose. Carmen was so scary in that moment. Made my heart race.
Rose needs to get out of that house and not come back. She’s still got a chance and seems to genuinely want to be a good person
My mom does shit like that too. Just being super phobic and making it impossible to tell her she's awful.
carmen has the same energy as the nice guys who slide into your dms, say they're super nice, make horrible comments about your body, and then spam you with screaming messages because you were like "ew" or you ignored them
she's exactly like that but with racism instead of misogyny
"I don't want to have to think about my words" is some privileged nonsense. I grew up in a constant state of "picking my words" to coddle the sensibilities of white, Christian, neurotypical people I was always surrounded by. I did it to fucking survive and not feel like a total alien. The fucking nerve of this woman.
I told my husband the same thing. I'm white but my mom reminds me of Carmen. I am ND and I had to constantly be hypervigilant and on edge about what I said to not offend her, yet when it comes to her she can say whatever bigoted racist shit she wants.
@Oz I empathize completely. From a young age I had to mask constantly because my mother didn't want me "on the short bus" and it seriously impeded my educational and personal growth. Not only that but she's white and I'm not so I had to deal with the "I'm not racist I have a brown child" BS, too. But I'm happy to say that she's improved these past few years because me and my siblings have gained the courage to stand up to her and call her out. She still tries to pretend that she wasn't that bad, but I can also tell she's slowly taking what we say to heart. She has even asked for advice on how to communicate with ND people for her work as a nurse. I recognize that I'm lucky enough to have a parent who's willing to listen and change but I hope, someday, your mother will learn too. But if she has failed you too many times then I hope you cut her off because you deserve better.
Yeah it was almost shocking to hear her say something so close to being self aware…it basically boils down to “I don’t want to think about other peoples feelings or the consequences of my actions” and it’s like yeah Carmen we know, that’s the problem.
Yeah, as an autistic person I too have to think very carefully before I speak every time. That girl is so privileged I swear
@@kingofichigo fr I found myself thinking about how if I was in a similar situation, as an autistic person, I'd probably try and save my meltdown for *after* I figured out why what I said was wrong,
"I just want people to see my heart" we did and it was racist
"Whoever it bothered is... ignorant"
I know this episode was mostly about Carmen but every sentence that comes out of Brunos mouth knocks a solid 5 years off my life.
Poor Diana had to keep smiling because she was on camera while her friend revealed it was going to be televised she fell for blackface. They where like “she’ll be out gateway to the community” and it’s like, NO! No sane person what’s the reputation of having participated in making the spectacle of there community and inviting someone in doing something so insulting.
She seemed forced to take this. I wonder if her involvement ever suffered afterwards?
then having to comfort a white woman melting down for not feeling welcome in a black community while diana was just trying to share part of her culture.... and seemed at least somewhat excited to do so.....
Great point but I also want to say you have an awesome pfp 😎 double win!
I lost it at “melanated beasts and where to find them by jk Rowling” I actually cried laughing
I died at that part 💀
"she thought it was a compliment to call somebody a beautiful Black creature" like, what year does she think she lives in? 1863? People in the early 2000s heard 'creature' and they thought 'non-human animal'. Very obvious that somebody would hear they were a "beautiful Black creature" and get offended, like, you just called them a non-human animal and implied it's because they're black, wtf is wrong with you
28:45 You can see that woman's heart break in realtime. Imagine thinking you've found a friend and it was a white woman in blackface putting on a voice. OUCH
Carman screaming about "saying a goddamn fucking word" has the same energy as "I thought the bitch was white"
@@TannerisSmol97 well I actually wrote "Carman" which was wrong so radio + tannar + alf
@@ronwapossibly I feel like that’s a joke like “bone apple teeth” but I don’t get it because I never got the original
Is it a play on the ratio thing? Still don’t know what it means
I didn't knew that clip. Thanks!
@@stuffedbrains yeah its a play on ratio me and my friend say a lot, and I saw "+ alf" once and its just really funny to me. also ratio is just a meme twitter uses to show a take is unpopular, people will reply to tweets with some form of ratio and get more likes and retweets than the tweet theyre replying to, at least I think that's how it's used. I mostly say it ironically, hence radio instead of ratio
“It’s like thinking before you pray” ma’am you realise that in church, the person leading the prayer plans out what they’re going to say? Heck, even in Sunday school we had to decide what we would pray for and who was praying for what, and that was with a bunch of 3+ years old kids who could barely even manage a coherent sentence about what colours they liked.
Safe to say helping at Sunday school as a teenager took years off my life
It made no sense so now I'm imagining her just constantly bothering Jesus with weird random small talk like he's a person in an elevator or a beautiful Black creature 🙃
@@ThexDynastxQueen oh no don’t make me imagine that too oh the cringe
“It’s like thinking before you pray”
Yeah. Why the hell would you ever think about what you want to say to what you fully believe to be the all seeing all knowing perfect deity that created you, everyone, and everything around you and has the power to end everything at a moments notice?
WAIT! Carmen never said, “beautiful.” She said, “magnificent Black creature.” Now it just sounds like Carmen is talking about a DRAGON.
Brian, remove the dead guys as creatures and replace them with The Fly and Bruno
Ah, more racism? You’re treating us premium viewers too well, Mr. Johnson!
lol Thanks for the racism Jarvis
racism for the win!
Shoutout to racism
Please don't believe da hype ; )
This video was sponsored by.... Racism!
19:20 I love how everyone told them Rose was gonna get worse but now I feel like I’m gonna be watching Top 10 Anime Betrayals
I hope they paid Diana WELL to play along with that bait & switch and then continue to be kind, patient & educational...good LORD
I hope she was in on it early on because UGH nothing sucks like having to personally educate an ignorant person who's lived in privilege their whole life as a minority when all you were looking for was just some chill companionship with someone who gets you
@@bitebackbunny for REAL. God I hope
I don't think y'all understood how much shade Diana was actually thinking
The way the mom did not have the energy to go off on the adults so she chose to blow up on her very passive and kind daughter is BEYOND. She knew she was wrong and couldn't even discuss it with her boyfriend because he just kept changing the subject. And he just stood there and let it happen. What a couple.
That “I think I suffer from whiteness” got me weak. Imma say that from now on when I am the colour of a lobster because my skin hates the sun.
"I need someone who knows I am white to help me gain entrance into the black community" Girl! They gave you a whole family for that! You already have black people who are specifically assigned to help you learn how to be black!!!
That part! The fact she needs to go deceive another Black person to get them to coddle her cuz she's treated the entire family she's literally living with so badly says a lot. You wouldn't need another person to teach you shit if you actually listened to the people you're living with, holy shit.
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tbh rose's stance is 100% understandable coming from someone who is used to having to diffuse that kind of bomb
that was absolutely a calculated choice of words designed in the hopes of _not_ setting off her mother, it was the most lukewarm of lukewarm takes before stepping over onto her side, and her mother _still_ blew up at her. like how much worse would it have been if rose _blatently_ disagreed with her?
i think people looking at rose and going "why didnt you say anything/speak against her?" should really have a better understanding of how it is to grow up in a house where you have to couch everything you say with as many layers of padding as possible, in order to not be immediately yelled at or forced into an unwanted argument
rose should be held to account for her own actions, but blaming her for something that is clearly a learned behaviour in order to not be verbally attacked is a bit harsh
Eh, I'd more say 30% understandable. My family situation is unfortunately very similar to hers, except it's mostly just my dad who's crazy, so I understand trying to defuse that bomb and the learned behavior associated with it. That being said (this from a white person by the way) there is no amount of mental gymnastics that will allow me to understand what the flying fuck she was thinking throughout the episode.
@@endergeek236 yeah and so was i? im not saying her individual racism is understandable, but specifically the way she responded to her mum in that situation was. she is a child, and regardless of whether or not her response was 'satisfactory', she is not responsible for disciplining her mother
@Onibee not while she's young no, though it should probably never be attempted. Many parents will believe that because they're the parent they're always right. My situation is similar to hers, the only difference is, is that if I talked back I was just beat instead. It never stopped me from speaking my mind and saying my parents were wrong, just stopped me from saying it in front of them. What would have been a smart move is to not have said anything at all because naturally her mom would have yelled at her unless she 100% agreed. Knowing you have a differing opinion should have already told her "oh yea I'm just not gonna say anything to this ticking bomb"
@@ms.tatortots5419 tbh there is no smart move. there isnt an express right or wrong way here. a child is not responsible for disciplining a parent
if she doesnt say anything, her mum will assume she's agreeing, so will the other family, and so will the people watching. she's already being shredded because she didnt "say enough"
i did the same thing as her many times, because you get lulled into this sense of "maybe this time is different?" or "if i just work my way up i can talk them into it?". then they snap and you retreat until things settle down and the cycle begins again
people react differently to abuse, and labelling it as smart or not is just unkind to the victim and irrelevent to whats happening, abusers find a way and a target, pointing at the victim and telling them to change does nothing but blame them for their own abuse
speaking out has gotten me thrown down stairs, shoved into walls, and slapped, and kicked out. i stifled myself finally until i had the means to get tf out. now i speak out again because now i’m an adult and independent. i can survive it now
Save Nick from this foolishness; save Rose before things go anymore south with her; and save Deanna because she didn't deserve this
I didnt think this show could get worse. and yet somehow it did.
oh my god _diana._ holy fuck i feel so bad for her. that seemed so genuine. she felt like she made a real connection with this fucking imaginary person. this show is so fucked up i honestly hope that was staged because oh my god the ethical implications of subjecting this random woman to that goodbye.
I feel like she must've learned the truth about Carmen for real off-screen, and then they filmed like, a reenactment of the moment afterwards. No way we can know for sure, obviously, but that's the vibe I'm getting. Either that or they cut out a LOT, because I just can't believe Diana would've actually taken it all in stride and bounced back _that_ quickly.
Plus something about the whole "Yeah I'm waiting for Carmen, and YOU SURE AS HELL AREN'T HER, HAHAHA..." feels kinda. Y'know. Staged. So either they revealed the truth to her already, or she was never fooled at all and guessed what was coming by that point.
@@elsie8757
i dont know how much was _scripted,_ but yes, the white family were all actors so i think all of their behaviour was for show and "entertainment"
@@HamazuraGOD The white mom wasn't an actor, but Bruno and the daughter were.
@@elsie8757
I mean she's probably not a _career_ actor but I mean she was still planted in the show to act.
bruh hearing Rose getting chewed out for saying her mom MIGHT not be totally right just... hurt. Rose might not have been right but you know she's used to talking her mom down.
Notice how fast dianas smile faded when Carmen “came out to her”
11:00 god "i dont want to have to adjust my language for other people" is some of the most privileged shit...
Legit
God poor Rose, this show is the perfect depiction of how racism is taught. Like even “both sides-ing” racism is too frustrating for her mom.
Also proving why a lot of the time intent is irrelevant. When you accidentally knock over someone’s drink, you still apologize even if you didn’t mean to.
I was just trying to (very stupidly) take a sip of my water and then Jarvis said "Melanated Beasts and Where to Find Them by J.K. Rowling" and I had to try so hard not to do a spit take.
Rose calling Nick inarticulate after a clip of her not understanding what he was saying… Very ironic.
Well if SHE can't understand HIM, well that's his fault as he should speak how she understands /s
@@TheNDofUO you really got me in the first half ngl
"He LOVES to be inarticulate!"
*cut to a clip of him communicating with a store clerk just fine*
AND he literally explained to her what he said in terms she would understand after realizing that she didn't understand him the first time
@@TheNDofUO why is it his job to code switch for her, just to avoid being called inarticulate? He seemed fine explaining what he meant
No one is asking Carmen to apologize for who she is, they’re asking her to apologize for what she said. She’s so insane dang
Carmen saying that she can’t be bothered to think about her words, BUT people should psychically guess what she means is a different level of ignorance. Both her and Bruno just doubling down instead of JUST APOLOGIZING is insane to watch.
As someone who forgets to think before speaking Carmen is so annoying on how she takes it. You are always responsible for how you make someone feel regardless of intent. It’s not that hard to just genuinely apologize and try to be better. It’s the bare minimum people are asking for really. How you respond to constructive and reasonable criticism speaks louder than any words you are saying.
No?? Someone's feelings are their own problem
@@tidepodpadthai2633 Not if you made them and continue to make them feel that way? And refuse to accept the consequences of your continued actions. You can't be an antagonist, say victims don't matter, then be upset no one wants to be around you. Even narcissist know that how other people feel ABOUT THEM because of THEIR ACTIONS will impact them.
@@takeyiatwitty2216 tbh just ignore that commenter. from looking at their other comments they seem to be a troll, or just a really uneducated asshole, but i’m slightly inclined to believe the first option.
The irony of her shutting down rose who was speaking her heart as well
@@tidepodpadthai2633 'It's YOUR problem that you're offended by me being racist'
28:37 this is horrible but so funny I could almost hear her brain making windows shut down noises before having her world flipped like oh my god I knew it was coming but her reaction made me cringe like crazy I'm so sorry she had to experience that and I hate how funny I found it
This whole thing just makes me think of the Bo Burnham lyrics "What can I do to help?"
"Read a book or something, I don't know
Just don't burden me with the responsibility of educating you
It's incredibly exhausting"
Like Deanna learns that her new friend Carmen has been doing blackface this whole time and then is instantly assigned to teach her about how racism works. I feel like she's got better things to do than hold Carmen's hand and tell her that black people can't just stop being black.
18:58 it's so frustrating when other white people assume that just bc they don't understand slang it means its inarticulate. To be articulate it to be precise and accurate with your language, and AAVE is literally developed to be functional language, it evolves much faster than standard English so by nature it is more efficient and precise for the people living the life it was developed in. Ex: "cop me that" is just as efficient as "get me that" and possibly more percise, just bc rose wasn't familiar with that phrase it doesn't make him less articulate.
It's just an example of white people feeling "out of the loop" when they don't understand something. So to deflect, they try to make black people feel stupid about using AAVE.
Yeah my partner was raised in a black community and as a result uses a lot of the slang they use. I found it so goofy at first because I had no idea what he was saying and would make him explain himself a lot (I’m was also not very familiar with slang because it was just not something I interacted with much). We would always go back and forth because I would tell him to just use words I knew and he would say I should learn what he was saying. Me not understanding him didn’t make him any less intelligent than me.
It’s sad that the girl saw herself as more “superior” because she didn’t use slang like him and because she couldn’t understand him. He’s a smart boy, just a dumb teen
17:52
Nick doing that thing were he acts cool in front of somebody new is the most relatable thing
Oh my gods. Carmen blowing up on her daughter like… triggered me I guess. That was exactly how all the family I had growing up reacted to any criticism. As the child/teen, I would get ALL of the frustration. I’d suddenly be in charge to manage their emotions for them.
White adults like this are literally children behind closed doors.
Yea that women sounds EXACTLY like my mother. The reaction to criticism. The "I'm not racist" brand of racism. The narcissism and guilt tripping. Playing the victim. It's kinda uncanny.
Also staged or not this show is awful wtf
Literally growing up in a conservative household and being screamed at whenever I disagreed because they’re “allowed to have their own opinions” (and apparently so am I, as long as I never express it) is absolutely infuriating, and this show definitely brought me back to that. Having to listen to your parents make jokes about harming minorities, and scoff when people literally just ask for human rights. I don’t know how I kept myself from exploding.
This show is horrible but yall make it so funny it’s basically a 30 min ab workout
Does anyone else notice that at 12:03 Bruno is in the background looking like a villain training his apprentice Carmen? Like he looks like the only thought going through his tiny brain is “yes, my apprentice, let the ignorance flow through you”
Rose: *calls Nick inarticulate*
Jordan: we were rooting for you! we were all rooting for you!
Im not sober and im stupid but for a sec i thought you ment rose as in ro ramdin and then nick as in nick is not green and i was like??
diana's face honestly conveyed so much unspeakable emotion like holy shit the way her eyes went could fucking burn a hole through the soul.
Carmen screaming at Rose made me cringe, but also made me go “How does this woman treat her when the cameras are off.”
the sheer white lady rage carmen expresses at her daughter is super familiar. when trying to confront my own parents about our collective privilege they flip the fuck out. even down to the "dont correct me right now!". dont underestimate people who havent been forced to think critically for 50 years of life i guess
Been through this. Called my mom out on something and she ended up yelling the n word with the hard r at the top of her lungs.
I hate that I relate to this. It's so hard.
Wow Carmen is so compassionate. Being immature and upset when someone tells her she can’t say something yeah such a compassionate woman.
The way she said something racist and turned herself into the victim 💀💀💀
This isn’t only about racism, it’s about respecting boundaries. If somebody tells you to not say this word in front of them don’t say it!
Getting mad at them about it isn’t gonna fix anything
@@janahijoori5719 fr
10:07 i feel so bad for Rose here dude
Oh god. My soul was absolutely crushed when Carmen revealed she's black. That moment of silence spoke volumes.
i’m paused at this exact moment afraid to go
forward in the video 😬
@@Rushboat this is an old comment but i’m literally paused right now at the moment she reveals herself and i’m just scrolling through comments, also afraid 💀
@@stephanied9113 same
Lol he wasn't a black stereotype, he was just a textbook teenage boy 😂
i was looking to see if someone else said this 😭 i had the same thought
Teenagers just be dumb sometimes
@@adeer87 as a teenager, i agree
true though
As someone who has been around many teenage boys, yeah straight up
8:54
"i don't think"
yeah we can tell, Carmen
“We’re all part of the same race… the human race.”
*_WHAT ABOUT NASCAR??_*
Nick answering his mom's rhetorical questions is giving me painful flashbacks to when my grandma told me "I'm tired of you saying 'huh' and 'uh-huh' all the time when those aren't even real words. How would you even spell those?"
My dumbass spelled them out for her and got the absolute shit smacked outta me. I wasn't even answering her to be a smart ass either. I just really thought she'd never seen those words written out before and didn't know how to spell them.
I'm so dumb I would've done the same thing 😎
pls i would’ve done the same thing why do adults speak in code :,)
I hate when people fail to realize that all words are made up and there's no reason to criticize how others speak.
Definitely what others say, like racist ass Carmen here, but ya know.
People say "ain't" isn't a word when so many used to say it. It's just that poor people started saying it and rich were like nah you ruined it.
People are ridiculously selfish and bigoted lmao.
I mean? In your defense, I'm not sure what else she could've meant? "That's not a real word", okay, fine, like, I can understand that means she wants a more substantial response. But questioning whether those words can even be _spelled?_ What does that mean?? What point does she think she's making with that??
@@haileygiabiconi8830 glad to see I'm not the only idiot out there😂