Thank you. This is exactly what I need. my 13900K starts to crash and freeze even with esport titles like League of legends, Dota, Counter strikes. Following your video, the stability is much better!
If you want stability, better use motherboard with H610 chipset. No overclocking will be applied, thus garantee maximum stability. If you want highest speed, then use motherboard with z690/790 chipset and either fry your CPU to death or learn how to undervolt your CPU.
B series like B760 are also safe bet but you won't be able to run CPU at 5.4 you have to downlock your p-core to 5.1ghz and e-core to 4.0 with UVP enabled -0.030 & LLC 50-80 on MSI boards (only MSI LLC).
Prawn, these settings made my system run like complete dog shit. No offense! I run almost the same exact setup you have (z790 carbon wifi and 14900k/4090). Spent all weekend trying to figure out what the hell happened. Latest bios, ME firmware, windows etc, every game I played ran like crap with fps drops. Had to restore all settings and select Tower Cooling, then manually set the power to 253/253/307 and XMP. Nothing else, whatever those intel recommended settings are they are crap! (at least for me). I play Apex Legends/Overwatch 2/Mortal Kombat 1, all were stuttering and running terrible! Apex Legends finally feels smooth again, but it still has a weird issue where I won't get my 240 fps until I have the game open for a minute or two. MSI NEEDS to figure this out asap IMO.
Does changing the Current Limit from 307 to 400 help? Need to monitor the clock speeds and make sure you keep them during gaming, if you’re not then that might be the reason. “In BIOS, either 307A, 333A, 356A or 400A. I would choose something that keeps the clocks for 99% of time in games. If it throttles ("IA: Electrical Design Point/Other (ICCmax,PL4,SVID,DDR RAPL" in HWiNFO) it's not a problem and if it downclocks during stress tests that is fine as well. 307A is stock and is in the Intel datasheets, but depending on clocks and vcore as you can see here this can down clock in games. 400A is the max Intel allows for the KS, so anything in between should be fine.”
I haven't been able to look at your system, but I would guess that what you saw has been the Effect of enabling CEP combined with "normal" MSI LiteLoad. Because CEP needs to have AC_LL=DC_LL=LLC. This is the case if you choose "Intel Default" in LiteLoad (you can match everything also by hand, but you need to know what you are doing). If you use MSI "normal" (or advanced) LiteLoad without any further adjusting, CEP will throttle your system, because in this condition MSI has a lower AC_LL then DC_LL and both most likely don't match the LLC. Short version: if you want Intel Standard Settings you need to set all things to Intel Standard, including LiteLoad.
My i9-13900k has been relatively stable, no crashes (Except one time on City Skylines 2) and I undervolted it awhile back to 0.06v. Recently, tried playing a new game demo in unreal engine and got the out of video memory error, never had it with any other games like Overwatch, Hogwarts Legacy, Cyberpunk 2077, etc. Gosh I'm so scared of updating BIOS nonetheless messing around in it, but I have a pro-Z790P motherboard and this is the closest video I've found that's similar to my motherboard's BIOs without confusing me too much. Thank you so much for this video!
So please…….tell me why I need a stability fix for my $750.00 CPU. I’ll just return the piece of crap. I bought a “k” skew for a reason. Don’t blame the motherboard manufacturers. The CPU request the voltage from the motherboard. Return your crap Intel CPU before it’s too late.
Is this a concern for the i7 varients? (13700 / 14700). I have a 13700k and i also have the 4095 power limit and dont know how to protect myself...system is a little over a year old.
Just set 253 w on pl1 and pl2 And current Limit to 307a! Did this on my girlfriends pc (i7-14700Kf and RTX4080 super ) Its so smooth now! I mean there were no Problems with her System but it improves the heat a Lot ! Like 15-25 celsius while Gaming
After being out of the PC community / gaming PC community for a number of years I was flooded when I started back. People have become overly possessed and have lost complete control with RGB and hitting bench marks that mean nothing at all and at best will only give a very small percent of performance gains. We are talking 3 t0 5 % better over all and hitting some make believe number for a very unstable system is beyond me and completely unnecessary, other than saying I did and it will not ever amount to any thing other than that. If you can game and have fun and enjoy it doesn't matter what numbers you are getting as long as the game runs well and smooth. To spend way more money for a 3 to 5 % gain that well make very little difference overall. Yes putting together a nice gaming system can be a lot of fun and enjoyment but soon ends when it's unstable and crashing for such a small gain. Then being obsessed with a blinking / strobing / flashing rig means nothing. If people are obsessed with it then that only means a cash cow / bank roll for the manufacturers. All can say at this point in time in the PC gaming world is this can't end soon enough for me.
@@TheProvokedPrawn Please don't misunderstand me. I get it, this is a hobby and it's a lot of fun and enjoyment up to a point. I guess being out of the loop for a few years and not seeing where the PC gamming community had gone it flood me. Then there's money issue. We now have Motherboards that can be over $500.00 {US} dollars and the Cards have gotten crazy over priced. This can and is a strain on people with a smaller budgets. It has been driven by flashing lights / hitting numbers / FPS and so on. In the end leaves some people to do with less due to the higher prices driven by a massive marketing on must haves. Thank You very much for the reply, most will not take the time to reply. It's greatly appreciated.
they are never worth it. i was in the class action against toyota and thier shitty airbags. got a check for 7.29us. 8 years after we said ok to be in the suit.
@Kapono5150 that is funny. love the car. totally for got about the law suit till one day got 7 bucks in the mail. ahh, naivete tasted so sweet. i would expect the same from intel, but i hope the mobos and intel get on the same page.
overall, a strange situation with my processor. In settings 253/253/400 I definitely overheat while playing and the computer often turns off. The second settings are 253/253/304, my processor clock is 5.6 and at these settings it is unstable, it drops and increases during games. The only settings that give me the lowest temperatures, but sometimes it throws me out of the game but not from the computer, are unlimited power settings at 4000w 😆i9-14900k here with msi z790 pro p
what Voltage to cpu.. sounds like your AIO or whatever cpu coolor you're using isn't seated properly or the Voltage is too high. Or enhanced boost is on.
This Video Safed my life ! I9-14900KF on a msi z790 pro wifi ddr 5 RTX4090 Crashes over crashes. 100 celsius and back to windows After months of searching finally i found this and now i have 60 celsius while playing and everything ist Fine ! No more crashes😢 thank you !
no my 14900ks hits 43000 in cb r23 obviously thats when its totally unleashed and hotter than the sun 34k is almost 10k less than what it was "suppose" to be or advertised by reviewers if you will
yea weiord min ehits 34k a 35 k to..dunno what i do rong. 253 253 400a volts auto. bin trying all kind off things dunno how to get higher score msi motherboard.
Glad I skipped the newest gen intel and settled on a cheap 11900k. Super overclock ability and stable as can be. It's still waaaaay more cpu than I need and no silly efficiency core bs.
To be fair you still could of gone 12900k and got all the next gen chipset advantages without any of these problems. It's only 13th and 14th gen hitting issues
@@slayerr4365 Ecores vs performance cores mainly. Also the 11900k has incredibly good latency which the next generations all seem to have lost. It's the last good intel gaming cpu and I hope they come back to a pure performance design instead of trying mimic amd with its chiplets. I currently have an all core 5.4 oc on the 11900k too which is a bit out of the range of the next generations unless you invest in a very expensive water cooling setup. I get the 5.4 off air but to be fair the pc is in a climate controlled room that never gets above 70F and its a HUGE bequiet dark rock elite. So no worries from me I have all the cpu I need for years to come.
I just set p core limit to 53 on my 13700k. Runs at 1.22v under load and scores slightly worse single core and same multi core in cinebench. Peaks at 225w and 82° on the hottest core on air. This should limit the voltage spiking for single core boost as well. Much easier than doing all this until the microcode update comes from Intel.
These motherboard makers are scums! Been in contact with them for two days, now. I forwarded them the Intel spec. list that need to be addressed by MSI, and they simply refuse to give me the parameters for all the other settings, besides CPU current and voltage. It is unreal! I got same CPU and the MIS Z790 Ace motherboard. The new BIOS update is a joke. And, that is the problem--the makers of these motherboards, not Intel. But, when they refuse to help when you just purchased the items, it makes you climb walls.
Thanks for the info in this video, do you think this bios issue would cause problems with audio and DJ software? I have just purchased an msi katana 15 i9 and I have lots of audio glitches with software I use on my old i7 laptop with no problems. Any advice would be great before retuning this laptop. Many thanks.
What i did: 1: Update Msi motherboard bios (MSI Z790 Tomahawk Wifi DDR5) 2: use the extreme pl1 and 2 and add a 56s and 400a 3: under cpu lite load i choose intel default instead of mode 6 before the bios update Its a little undervolting but keep almost the same performance The chip runs cooler it runs now on 85c room temperature 24c So in the winter it will be cooler Also its very stable Keep in mind every chip is different The cb23 score are 38684 multi core So yeah im happy Also if i use the intel defaults it will be waaaay less performance and a cinebench score of 28342 thats to low so i tweaked some things I hope i can help some people with this settings 👍🏻
Huh I didn't know there was a second download for firmware I always just downloaded the bios no one else ever said anything about needing to download firmware too. Then again didn't really see any change from updating firmware so guess it wasn't important lol
Have this issue with my i7-14700K, did all the bios updates and flipped it to Intel Defaults but now XMP only registers 1 stick of Ram being used. It doesnt detect the B2 slot if i have it enabled.
I had water cooler setting but manually specified 253/253 for my pl1&2 on my 13900k not experienced any major spikes as of yet but going to apply the fix today, not had any instability prior to the fix either, so I think I’ve been lucky so far.
@@TheProvokedPrawnapplied the fix, without changing anything I’ve noticed my pcores are @4.8ghz when running cinebench and 5.4ghz when I’m not. I score 35.2k on r23, cpu lite lode set to 12 by the update
Intel i9 instability are price of pushing clocks from Intel too high from 12th to 14th gen and adding more cores on that and you get barbecue or crashes
Hello, before you go, thank you very much for the video. I solved my problem by deactivating the turboboss, I know that I lose a lot of performance. - The current processor that I have running is an i14700k. I saw a long time ago that Msi has that BETA version of bios but with all the problems we had with the k gen13 processors and 14 and intel and the motherboards, who do not agree. I would like to know if it has a configuration for 14700k Intel7 users because I see that TH-camrs only use the i9... What I'm going for is to download a BETA version of Bios, and using us as a tester seems strange to me but good. I solved the problem of crashes and blue screens by disabling the TuroBoss but I know that this is not a solution. - Since when it is activated it is working all the time at 5.5 ghz and when it is deactivated it drops to 3.2 ghz... Until At the moment I don't see the solution for i714700k, greetings.-
This being 2 months ago msi new bios update has pl1 and 2 at 253w on "default" intel settings I'm still thermal throttling instantly on cinibench! This is b.s intel owes me a new cpu!
I have an MSI motherboard. I updated the BIOS and made the changes you have suggested. I have an i9-14000K chip. My temps on my P-cores have come down to about 74-88C, however when I'm playing games I get spikes up to 100C on about half my cores that I can't seem to stop. Any suggestions or should I just leave it alone? My Cinebench score is already in the toilet around 1825, but my game performance is more than acceptable. (I primarily play Star Citizen and I'm getting 70-100 FPS).
@@TheProvokedPrawn Yes, my bios version is H.C1 dated 5/14/2024. It's the latest bios I could find. I'm a novice when it comes to bios settings so other than what you've shown in your video I have no clue what else to tweak.
TVB voltage optimizations will cause too high voltages and mess with undervolting...Turn it off and if you want significantly lower temps turn OFF Enhanced turbo
With this method i fell we louse too much performance i rather set down the p cores manually to 5.6 ghz and keep the power limit to 253 or 288 (in my case) and the cpu current at 400 set cpu lite load to mode 10 this fixe my crashing problems while trying to play games completely with a minimal amount of performance louse. and still getting temp around 85c under full laud might not work for everybody but it worked for me so far after 1 mouth of usage .
problem is degradation being quite significant...I promise you this much you keep staying at those temps in 1 year your chip will be ruined....thats a promise.
At 6:35 you said after the BIOS update I should see that pop up. I never did. I instead had to go back into bios and select to use the Intel default settings like you show later. I hope I did this correctly. Ive been having BSOD issues since mid April. Running I9 13900KF and 4090. Motherboard is MSI Z690 WiFi (perhaps my z690 doesn't have the same feature you have?)
With the MSI B760M Mortar WIFI II, they provided box cooler option before this whole thing went out of hand. I ended up eventually going to the box cooler power option and still got the same performance with lower temps. I was always thermal throttling down to 4.9-5.0ghz and hitting between 90-100C on the P-Cores when set to tower or water cooled option. Now, I am hitting between 85-90C with same speeds with my current 184mm radiator setup. I have had my 14900k for a few months now. I don't do gaming as the pc build was more for video editing and rendering for TH-cam.
My 13990k has been a nightmare to get stable. My cpu got its io damage d from the over voltage. Keyboards and pci express keep reinstalling and the fix took a whole week of llc and voltage settings. I will never buy asus and intel again
My 13900ks been really hard to get a normal temp. Power need to bé AT 307 pl1 to 125 and pl2 to 203. I have disable hypertreating for gain 10% in game. I have 60-65° in game with some pick AT 70. In bench i have 82° max.
@@TheProvokedPrawn i have asrock b760m-hdv/m.2 d4 motherboard on site i found they allready have update to bios for 13 14 gen update microcode to 0x125 but with date 19.7.2024 is this correct update couse they say intel will release new update in mid august?
I have an MSI pro board with 13900k with the default settings (4096W etc) and it would hit the thermal limit of 100 degrees C at around 300W but no stability issues. I use the Noctua NH-D15, but my case isn't loaded with fans. 1 back (intake, CPU fans blow the same direction) and 2 front exhaust. I have a 4070ti non super. The Corona benchmark used to be around 37-38 seconds, it's 40 seconds now. But if that prolongs the CPU lifetime I really don't mind. I've set it manually to 288W now without fw update.
Thank you for doing this, one question I have is can we choose the intel default cooler setting and then go into the other settings and change them or will that mess things up?
people just because youre not thermal throttling at 85c doesnt mean your chip is going to last. you shouldnt be even hitting much over 70c while gaming ....over 80 will absolutely positively degrade these cpus at a significant rate. Intels obbsession with being the fastest allowed them to basically sell us TOO high of factory Overclock out of the box on this silicone. This should be an effing class action lawsuit by now. The 12th 13th and 14th gen cpus are a JOKE....14900ks 13900ks 13900k 12900ks 12900k owner here btw.
@@TheProvokedPrawn Had some crashes where cpu boost on bios would crash my monitor and pc when playing cs which leads to to force restarting the pc, I turned that off and it was fine
I had a 13900KF since launch , ASRock MOBO. No issues at all , is this an issue with all Intel i9's or just certain motherboard brands and chip lottery? If it's chip lottery, can't you just RMA the chip as it's not functioning to spec?
@@TheAscendedHuman Do you notice much of a difference between the 13900 and 14900? I was looking into building a dedicated VR sim rig and thinking of going with a 14900ks , but not sure if I was just throwing 200 away for no extra performance?
Glad it's not an issue for you. Weirdly it has been certain games (Unreal Engine is a suspect) and probably certain motherboards are an issue more than others. My MSI motherboard has been more stable than the Asus one I was using before for instance.
@@TheProvokedPrawn What specific games caused issues? I want to see if mine messes up while running them. Are these crashes more prevalent in 13900 or 14900 or is it equal across the board? ta
for i9 stability you need to have 150-200$ cooler water ones !!! Intel pushes this cpus with tons of cores and over 6 ghz and no wonder they crash especially with crappy coolers
Came across this as i was having many crashes through once human and remnant 2. Since they use ue5 my 14900kf was not having any of it 😅 since I've changed these settings everythings been so much more stable. Cant thankyou enough.
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Thank you. This is exactly what I need. my 13900K starts to crash and freeze even with esport titles like League of legends, Dota, Counter strikes. Following your video, the stability is much better!
Excellent
undervolt it and set Ghz frequency lower
@@fortnite360HZ you could offer that fix to Intel too!!you would earn millions and save them billions
If you want stability, better use motherboard with H610 chipset. No overclocking will be applied, thus garantee maximum stability. If you want highest speed, then use motherboard with z690/790 chipset and either fry your CPU to death or learn how to undervolt your CPU.
B series like B760 are also safe bet but you won't be able to run CPU at 5.4 you have to downlock your p-core to 5.1ghz and e-core to 4.0 with UVP enabled -0.030 & LLC 50-80 on MSI boards (only MSI LLC).
Prawn, these settings made my system run like complete dog shit. No offense! I run almost the same exact setup you have (z790 carbon wifi and 14900k/4090). Spent all weekend trying to figure out what the hell happened. Latest bios, ME firmware, windows etc, every game I played ran like crap with fps drops. Had to restore all settings and select Tower Cooling, then manually set the power to 253/253/307 and XMP. Nothing else, whatever those intel recommended settings are they are crap! (at least for me).
I play Apex Legends/Overwatch 2/Mortal Kombat 1, all were stuttering and running terrible! Apex Legends finally feels smooth again, but it still has a weird issue where I won't get my 240 fps until I have the game open for a minute or two. MSI NEEDS to figure this out asap IMO.
Does changing the Current Limit from 307 to 400 help?
Need to monitor the clock speeds and make sure you keep them during gaming, if you’re not then that might be the reason.
“In BIOS, either 307A, 333A, 356A or 400A.
I would choose something that keeps the clocks for 99% of time in games. If it throttles ("IA: Electrical Design Point/Other (ICCmax,PL4,SVID,DDR RAPL" in HWiNFO) it's not a problem and if it downclocks during stress tests that is fine as well.
307A is stock and is in the Intel datasheets, but depending on clocks and vcore as you can see here this can down clock in games. 400A is the max Intel allows for the KS, so anything in between should be fine.”
I haven't been able to look at your system, but I would guess that what you saw has been the Effect of enabling CEP combined with "normal" MSI LiteLoad. Because CEP needs to have AC_LL=DC_LL=LLC. This is the case if you choose "Intel Default" in LiteLoad (you can match everything also by hand, but you need to know what you are doing). If you use MSI "normal" (or advanced) LiteLoad without any further adjusting, CEP will throttle your system, because in this condition MSI has a lower AC_LL then DC_LL and both most likely don't match the LLC.
Short version: if you want Intel Standard Settings you need to set all things to Intel Standard, including LiteLoad.
My i9-13900k has been relatively stable, no crashes (Except one time on City Skylines 2) and I undervolted it awhile back to 0.06v. Recently, tried playing a new game demo in unreal engine and got the out of video memory error, never had it with any other games like Overwatch, Hogwarts Legacy, Cyberpunk 2077, etc. Gosh I'm so scared of updating BIOS nonetheless messing around in it, but I have a pro-Z790P motherboard and this is the closest video I've found that's similar to my motherboard's BIOs without confusing me too much. Thank you so much for this video!
@@huldress don't be scared. It's ok, just don't power off at any point and be patient
z690 EDGE DDR4 Board latest bios is only 11th of april ,
They're meant to be rolling out new BIOS updates by the end of the month
So please…….tell me why I need a stability fix for my $750.00 CPU. I’ll just return the piece of crap. I bought a “k” skew for a reason. Don’t blame the motherboard manufacturers. The CPU request the voltage from the motherboard. Return your crap Intel CPU before it’s too late.
hey, how i can find this shedule for 13700k?
Is this a concern for the i7 varients? (13700 / 14700). I have a 13700k and i also have the 4095 power limit and dont know how to protect myself...system is a little over a year old.
Just set 253 w on pl1 and pl2
And current Limit to 307a!
Did this on my girlfriends pc (i7-14700Kf and RTX4080 super )
Its so smooth now! I mean there were no Problems with her System but it improves the heat a Lot ! Like 15-25 celsius while Gaming
After being out of the PC community / gaming PC community for a number of years I was flooded when I started back. People have become overly possessed and have lost complete control with RGB and hitting bench marks that mean nothing at all and at best will only give a very small percent of performance gains. We are talking 3 t0 5 % better over all and hitting some make believe number for a very unstable system is beyond me and completely unnecessary, other than saying I did and it will not ever amount to any thing other than that. If you can game and have fun and enjoy it doesn't matter what numbers you are getting as long as the game runs well and smooth. To spend way more money for a 3 to 5 % gain that well make very little difference overall. Yes putting together a nice gaming system can be a lot of fun and enjoyment but soon ends when it's unstable and crashing for such a small gain. Then being obsessed with a blinking / strobing / flashing rig means nothing. If people are obsessed with it then that only means a cash cow / bank roll for the manufacturers. All can say at this point in time in the PC gaming world is this can't end soon enough for me.
Although you make some points the main issue is stability. If it's crashing constantly then that's rubbish
@@TheProvokedPrawn Please don't misunderstand me. I get it, this is a hobby and it's a lot of fun and enjoyment up to a point. I guess being out of the loop for a few years and not seeing where the PC gamming community had gone it flood me. Then there's money issue. We now have Motherboards that can be over $500.00 {US} dollars and the Cards have gotten crazy over priced. This can and is a strain on people with a smaller budgets. It has been driven by flashing lights / hitting numbers / FPS and so on. In the end leaves some people to do with less due to the higher prices driven by a massive marketing on must haves. Thank You very much for the reply, most will not take the time to reply. It's greatly appreciated.
Try 40% after 6 months from being damaged where default settings won’t work anymore
What a huge mess Intel has created. Do you think we could see a class action lawsuit from this situation?
Good luck with that
they are never worth it. i was in the class action against toyota and thier shitty airbags. got a check for 7.29us. 8 years after we said ok to be in the suit.
@@RiceNoodlestw it’s kinda crazy how you brought up Toyota airbags bc I work at Toyota and we replace airbags almost every week, lol 😂
@Kapono5150 that is funny. love the car. totally for got about the law suit till one day got 7 bucks in the mail. ahh, naivete tasted so sweet. i would expect the same from intel, but i hope the mobos and intel get on the same page.
Intel isnt to blame here, it's the motherboard initial stock setting which is too high that cause high temp and crashes.
overall, a strange situation with my processor. In settings 253/253/400 I definitely overheat while playing and the computer often turns off. The second settings are 253/253/304, my processor clock is 5.6 and at these settings it is unstable, it drops and increases during games. The only settings that give me the lowest temperatures, but sometimes it throws me out of the game but not from the computer, are unlimited power settings at 4000w 😆i9-14900k here with msi z790 pro p
Try 125 for pl1 253 pl2 and 307..
what Voltage to cpu.. sounds like your AIO or whatever cpu coolor you're using isn't seated properly or the Voltage is too high. Or enhanced boost is on.
Thanks for the video! Unfortunately there is no "Intel Default settings" or anything like it in my MSI Raider GE78HX 13VH´s BIOS.
I’m looking into a 13 or 14 Gen i7 for my new build. What are your thoughts on these CPU, prawny?
I've not had issues with the i7 from either of those generations.
@@TheProvokedPrawn Great. Thanks!
I have an i7 14700k, is completely
stable and even works with 1.275 vcore. Just ensure you have a normal 360 watercooler
having stability issues even with a good 360mm aio package is always 100c with fortnite
DONT BUY THEM. SOME HAS INSTABILITY ISSUES ADN SOME DONT...MINE BURNED OFF AFTER 2 DAYS ONLY
This Video Safed my life !
I9-14900KF on a msi z790 pro wifi ddr 5
RTX4090
Crashes over crashes.
100 celsius and back to windows
After months of searching finally i found this and now i have 60 celsius while playing and everything ist Fine ! No more crashes😢 thank you !
@@peterneururer9398 👍🏼 excellent news
Thanks i got 34345 score cinebench r23 i just followed what you did,
i9 14900k msi z790 tomahawk wifi, is that good score? Im new here
no my 14900ks hits 43000 in cb r23 obviously thats when its totally unleashed and hotter than the sun 34k is almost 10k less than what it was "suppose" to be or advertised by reviewers if you will
my 13900k hit 41k
yea weiord min ehits 34k a 35 k to..dunno what i do rong. 253 253 400a volts auto. bin trying all kind off things dunno how to get higher score msi motherboard.
Glad I skipped the newest gen intel and settled on a cheap 11900k. Super overclock ability and stable as can be. It's still waaaaay more cpu than I need and no silly efficiency core bs.
To be fair you still could of gone 12900k and got all the next gen chipset advantages without any of these problems. It's only 13th and 14th gen hitting issues
@@slayerr4365 Ecores vs performance cores mainly. Also the 11900k has incredibly good latency which the next generations all seem to have lost. It's the last good intel gaming cpu and I hope they come back to a pure performance design instead of trying mimic amd with its chiplets. I currently have an all core 5.4 oc on the 11900k too which is a bit out of the range of the next generations unless you invest in a very expensive water cooling setup. I get the 5.4 off air but to be fair the pc is in a climate controlled room that never gets above 70F and its a HUGE bequiet dark rock elite. So no worries from me I have all the cpu I need for years to come.
Awesome video! but why did you not show tests after that bios update to check scores? and use R23! what the rest of the world is using.
I did. The MSI update score was the bios update one? And 24 is the latest version?
I just set p core limit to 53 on my 13700k. Runs at 1.22v under load and scores slightly worse single core and same multi core in cinebench. Peaks at 225w and 82° on the hottest core on air. This should limit the voltage spiking for single core boost as well. Much easier than doing all this until the microcode update comes from Intel.
These motherboard makers are scums! Been in contact with them for two days, now. I forwarded them the Intel spec. list that need to be addressed by MSI, and they simply refuse to give me the parameters for all the other settings, besides CPU current and voltage. It is unreal! I got same CPU and the MIS Z790 Ace motherboard. The new BIOS update is a joke. And, that is the problem--the makers of these motherboards, not Intel. But, when they refuse to help when you just purchased the items, it makes you climb walls.
Thanks for the info in this video, do you think this bios issue would cause problems with audio and DJ software? I have just purchased an msi katana 15 i9 and I have lots of audio glitches with software I use on my old i7 laptop with no problems. Any advice would be great before retuning this laptop. Many thanks.
What i did:
1: Update Msi motherboard bios (MSI Z790 Tomahawk Wifi DDR5)
2: use the extreme pl1 and 2 and add a 56s and 400a
3: under cpu lite load i choose intel default instead of mode 6 before the bios update
Its a little undervolting but keep almost the same performance
The chip runs cooler it runs now on 85c room temperature 24c
So in the winter it will be cooler
Also its very stable
Keep in mind every chip is different
The cb23 score are 38684 multi core
So yeah im happy
Also if i use the intel defaults it will be waaaay less performance and a cinebench score of 28342 thats to low so i tweaked some things
I hope i can help some people with this settings 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing
CPU lite load control or cpu lite load ?
those temps are HORRIBLE. You didnt really accomplish anything. Your chip will not work in 1 year hell most definitely LESS than a year.
great vid, helped me a lot. many thanks.
Glad it helped
RMA'd and bought an AMD. No more money for half-baked products.
Huh I didn't know there was a second download for firmware I always just downloaded the bios no one else ever said anything about needing to download firmware too. Then again didn't really see any change from updating firmware so guess it wasn't important lol
Have this issue with my i7-14700K, did all the bios updates and flipped it to Intel Defaults but now XMP only registers 1 stick of Ram being used. It doesnt detect the B2 slot if i have it enabled.
I had water cooler setting but manually specified 253/253 for my pl1&2 on my 13900k not experienced any major spikes as of yet but going to apply the fix today, not had any instability prior to the fix either, so I think I’ve been lucky so far.
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@@TheProvokedPrawnapplied the fix, without changing anything I’ve noticed my pcores are @4.8ghz when running cinebench and 5.4ghz when I’m not. I score 35.2k on r23, cpu lite lode set to 12 by the update
I updated bois. After that lag and crash gone.but when I stress cpu its hot like 89 90
That's not that hot for stress tests tbh. If it got to that while gaming I'd be worried.
I have to set to spec sheet pl1, pl2 and some other settings in bios, now stable, no more crash, but underpowered. Not recommended
Intel i9 instability are price of pushing clocks from Intel too high from 12th to 14th gen and adding more cores on that and you get barbecue or crashes
Ah this latest bios update contains an etvb bug so I'm waiting for the new bios
Hello, before you go, thank you very much for the video. I solved my problem by deactivating the turboboss, I know that I lose a lot of performance. - The current processor that I have running is an i14700k. I saw a long time ago that Msi has that BETA version of bios but with all the problems we had with the k gen13 processors and 14 and intel and the motherboards, who do not agree. I would like to know if it has a configuration for 14700k Intel7 users because I see that TH-camrs only use the i9... What I'm going for is to download a BETA version of Bios, and using us as a tester seems strange to me but good. I solved the problem of crashes and blue screens by disabling the TuroBoss but I know that this is not a solution. - Since when it is activated it is working all the time at 5.5 ghz and when it is deactivated it drops to 3.2 ghz... Until At the moment I don't see the solution for i714700k, greetings.-
You honestly don't lose much performance by turning turbo boost off. Which program are you loosing performance?
Hello, in my bios I don’t have the GT CEP settings …
I have had no stability issues with the water-cooled settings.
Excellent
This being 2 months ago msi new bios update has pl1 and 2 at 253w on "default" intel settings I'm still thermal throttling instantly on cinibench! This is b.s intel owes me a new cpu!
dont use cinebench and try gaming only
I have an MSI motherboard. I updated the BIOS and made the changes you have suggested. I have an i9-14000K chip. My temps on my P-cores have come down to about 74-88C, however when I'm playing games I get spikes up to 100C on about half my cores that I can't seem to stop. Any suggestions or should I just leave it alone? My Cinebench score is already in the toilet around 1825, but my game performance is more than acceptable. (I primarily play Star Citizen and I'm getting 70-100 FPS).
You've got the latest bios updates? I.e. the end of May? I believe there are new settings now.
@@TheProvokedPrawn Yes, my bios version is H.C1 dated 5/14/2024. It's the latest bios I could find. I'm a novice when it comes to bios settings so other than what you've shown in your video I have no clue what else to tweak.
after setting these settings my pc would fulyl freeze after gaming for a few mins
Thanks, as always, for this advice my friend.
Should you still enable TVB Voltage optimizations if you are undervolting with a negative offset?
TVB voltage optimizations will cause too high voltages and mess with undervolting...Turn it off and if you want significantly lower temps turn OFF Enhanced turbo
Asus have help fix the issue.
With this method i fell we louse too much performance i rather set down the p cores manually to 5.6 ghz and keep the power limit to 253 or 288 (in my case) and the cpu current at 400 set cpu lite load to mode 10
this fixe my crashing problems while trying to play games completely with a minimal amount of performance louse. and still getting temp around 85c under full laud
might not work for everybody but it worked for me so far after 1 mouth of usage .
problem is degradation being quite significant...I promise you this much you keep staying at those temps in 1 year your chip will be ruined....thats a promise.
You don't neccessarily have to put the update on a USB, you can navigate local SSDs just fine.
Bitlocker may muddle things
At 6:35 you said after the BIOS update I should see that pop up. I never did. I instead had to go back into bios and select to use the Intel default settings like you show later. I hope I did this correctly.
Ive been having BSOD issues since mid April. Running I9 13900KF and 4090. Motherboard is MSI Z690 WiFi (perhaps my z690 doesn't have the same feature you have?)
@@fortnite360HZ mine came back. Just went and 7950x3d and new MB
Nice Asus ROG Strix vidoe card Mate
Thanks
You also have to disable ICCMAX unlimited
With the MSI B760M Mortar WIFI II, they provided box cooler option before this whole thing went out of hand. I ended up eventually going to the box cooler power option and still got the same performance with lower temps. I was always thermal throttling down to 4.9-5.0ghz and hitting between 90-100C on the P-Cores when set to tower or water cooled option. Now, I am hitting between 85-90C with same speeds with my current 184mm radiator setup. I have had my 14900k for a few months now. I don't do gaming as the pc build was more for video editing and rendering for TH-cam.
Video editing and normal workloads don't seem to be an issue at all in my experience.
Hi is it possible todo a how-to guide on an ASUS ROG board Z690 to tweak the settings on 14900K. Much Appreciated Thanks
SOOOOOOOOOOON
My 13990k has been a nightmare to get stable. My cpu got its io damage d from the over voltage. Keyboards and pci express keep reinstalling and the fix took a whole week of llc and voltage settings. I will never buy asus and intel again
My 13900ks been really hard to get a normal temp. Power need to bé AT 307 pl1 to 125 and pl2 to 203. I have disable hypertreating for gain 10% in game. I have 60-65° in game with some pick AT 70. In bench i have 82° max.
my i5 14600 kf burned off after 2 days...dont buy intel. buy amd
do i5 13600 kf have same problems should i do these steps too ?
Bios update and select intel default settings
@@TheProvokedPrawn i have asrock b760m-hdv/m.2 d4 motherboard on site i found they allready have update to bios for 13 14 gen update microcode to 0x125 but with date 19.7.2024 is this correct update couse they say intel will release new update in mid august?
Same settings but still too high tempture :(
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thanks for the video, simple and easy for beginners.. I been searching for PL4 but can't find it on my Tomahawk and Edge Ti mobos as well
Glad it helped
Does this temperature and instability problem exist in all Intel processor models or only in K series?
can i use this settings on my 13900k with msi mpg edge z790 plz replay me
Yes. You'll need the new bios update specifically for your motherboard though
Can you make the same for i7 13700kf?
Hello what i Need to change for the i9 13900k the Long durstigen Power Limit i dont found the Setting Right now its on Auto ?
I have an MSI pro board with 13900k with the default settings (4096W etc) and it would hit the thermal limit of 100 degrees C at around 300W but no stability issues. I use the Noctua NH-D15, but my case isn't loaded with fans. 1 back (intake, CPU fans blow the same direction) and 2 front exhaust. I have a 4070ti non super. The Corona benchmark used to be around 37-38 seconds, it's 40 seconds now. But if that prolongs the CPU lifetime I really don't mind. I've set it manually to 288W now without fw update.
Good news that you don't have stability issues!
bro you gonna smoke your chip way faster than necessary, Recommend you watch this video and take notes lol.
Hello I am building a i9 14900k with a the msi pro z790 a max WiFi pro series, do you think I will have to do a bios update as well?
Yup
u will regret it..i promise u.
I wonder what power limits are installed by default in pre builds?
Probably whatever the motherboard manufacturer set tbh
Thank you for doing this, one question I have is can we choose the intel default cooler setting and then go into the other settings and change them or will that mess things up?
You can
@@TheProvokedPrawn Cool. Thanks for the reply!
Has the new settings/bios update caused any noticeable negative difference in gaming?
You will notice nothing besides 5-10fps at max. Better off to adjust the chip and prolong its life.
What about 13700k?
people just because youre not thermal throttling at 85c doesnt mean your chip is going to last. you shouldnt be even hitting much over 70c while gaming ....over 80 will absolutely positively degrade these cpus at a significant rate. Intels obbsession with being the fastest allowed them to basically sell us TOO high of factory Overclock out of the box on this silicone. This should be an effing class action lawsuit by now. The 12th 13th and 14th gen cpus are a JOKE....14900ks 13900ks 13900k 12900ks 12900k owner here btw.
i have a i7 14700k you think I should be running intel default as well?
Are you having problems with it with crashes and stability? If so it might be worthwhile. If not, I'd leave it
@@TheProvokedPrawn Had some crashes where cpu boost on bios would crash my monitor and pc when playing cs which leads to to force restarting the pc, I turned that off and it was fine
@@stanleyqiang7095 I have the same issue with 14700K if i turn on GAME boost , my game(CS) crashing.. annoying AF
I had a 13900KF since launch , ASRock MOBO. No issues at all , is this an issue with all Intel i9's or just certain motherboard brands and chip lottery? If it's chip lottery, can't you just RMA the chip as it's not functioning to spec?
@@TheAscendedHuman Do you notice much of a difference between the 13900 and 14900? I was looking into building a dedicated VR sim rig and thinking of going with a 14900ks , but not sure if I was just throwing 200 away for no extra performance?
Glad it's not an issue for you. Weirdly it has been certain games (Unreal Engine is a suspect) and probably certain motherboards are an issue more than others. My MSI motherboard has been more stable than the Asus one I was using before for instance.
@@TheAscendedHuman Yeah youtube does it with mine sometimes. I have no idea why.
Cheers for that.
@@TheProvokedPrawn What specific games caused issues? I want to see if mine messes up while running them.
Are these crashes more prevalent in 13900 or 14900 or is it equal across the board? ta
@@wickfut8917 Fortnite, RoboCop and other games with Unreal Engine
Are these problems observed on laptops too?
Yes
There is a better fix, buy an am5 mother board, cpu and new ram problem solved.
cheap!
you saved my life, thanks you so much
Glad I could help
Thank you sirrrrrrr
Thank you!
You're welcome!
500 points less.
Fair point, I'm clearly tired.
for i9 stability you need to have 150-200$ cooler water ones !!! Intel pushes this cpus with tons of cores and over 6 ghz and no wonder they crash especially with crappy coolers
thanks
You're welcome!
Came across this as i was having many crashes through once human and remnant 2. Since they use ue5 my 14900kf was not having any of it 😅 since I've changed these settings everythings been so much more stable. Cant thankyou enough.
Excellent news