Gaijin Butchered This Tank
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Of all the vehicles in War Thunder, the American T25 medium tank has received possibly the harshest treatment from Gaijin devs. Not only did it move way up in battle rating, but it was nerfed and stayed at the same BR.
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Gaijin Butchered This Tank
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Any chance of a video on the design and history of the CV90 family?
Hey if ur playing Gaijins most hated tanks, you gotta play the comet. Poor thing was nerfed to oblivion for no reason
“Look at em suffer arggarggargarggarggarg!”
- Gaijin staff upon “fixing” the T25 and T20
T20 is still very good
@samuel stein No, it isn't. It has horrible armor and regularly has to play in uptiered matches where it can barely pen anything. The only thing it has going for it is it's low profile, stab, and good reverse speed, but none of those positives of the T20 justify it being at 6.0 instead of 5.7.
@@nigaballs9603 It still works at 6.0 if you're positioned well and the enemy isn't too smart. It's true that you can't really do much to Tiger 2 Hs, Jagdtigers, and other extra heavy tanks frontally, but in my experience, those don't appear too often. The most common enemies are still Panthers, Tigers, T-34s, etc, against which the T20 works great thanks to the decent mobility, stabilizer, quick reload, and reliable round.
@Jimi G. It's obviously doable, just not fun in any way. In my own experience, I basically only face Tiger 2s and Jagdtigers and shit, and get raped by their massive fucking guns at ranges where none of my shots could even hope to pen them.
@@nigaballs9603 I've had lots of great games with it even after they put it to 6.0. It should be at 5.7, I agree but gaijin won't do anything about it since its stats are probably pretty good still.
I get a lump in my throat every time I see this thing. I swear the devs got killed by this thing in their Tiger once and when someone posted dubious documents they couldn’t wait to nerf it.
What even is the best lineup at this br for the US?
@@Jotgut 6.3 is no longer a BR for the US because 6.7 and 7.0 are just infinitely better.
T25, T28, M18 Super, Pershing and Super Pershing
Except at 6.7 the M56 has HEATFS, M18 super got hard capped on its top speed (ahistorical, very unfair, much anger), SuperP got moved to 6.7 and M26 also doesnt get a stab. Oh, and you also get M50 HEAT spammer and T114 which is pretty ridiculous for a 6.7.
7.0 M46 is just a faster M26 with HEATFS and stabbed, then you get T29, A2D-1 and T95.
@@LoneWolf-kw3ol m46 doesn't have stab
@@LoneWolf-kw3ol unless I’m a complete idiot, pretty sure the M46 does not have a stab, having played it a bunch recently
Sup Step OffBawZ
War Thunder community: “The Panther isn’t hard to kill, just shoot the mantlet”
The mantlet: 5:43
British Pen: hahah Funny
Front plate 1 shots
The Panther mantlet being complete and total bullshit, absorbing 90% of the 76/90mm rounds you put into it singlehandedly makes me not want to play mid tiers US ground, and it's probably why almost everyone takes exclusively the M18 at 5.7
because of volumetric shell, if you don't shoot right between gun sleeve and mantlet edge, it will non pen
I hate Panthers. I hate playing them and I hate playing against them. When you're playing against it nothing pens the front hull (not even Comet APDS anymore) and the turret trolls every shot, meanwhile the Panther driver just has to click on every other 5.3-6.0 medium. When you're playing one, every shot that hits the turret goes through.
And if that's not enough, there's *9 OF THEM IN GAME.* And 6 of them are Germany.
@@adamg7984 Comets and Churchills r tuff cookies
Hi Spookston, if you are still doing the more scripted analysis videos (like your videos on the M113 and the T-64), could you please do one on the Japanese Type 16 MCV? It’s conceptually a pretty interesting vehicle role, and there’s not too much out on it, especially in English.
There is nothing too interesting about Type 16.
It is an upgraded wheel Type 74 without the disadvantage of being a type 74, and is intended to replace type 74.
The various sub system is supposedly similar or identical to type 10.
Gaijin upon seeing 7:45 - 8:03 : "Yeah, we definitely didn't nerf it enough, time to forge some evidence so we have an excuse to nerf it more."
Spookston not using the .50 to finish off that puma while teammates could have been frothing at the mouth to steal his kill had my heart racing
@@russman3787 You can sidepen the Puma with a standard MG at medium to short range, a .50 can do it at that range.
8:58 Spookston : Get only 5~7 kills in a full downtier match.
Gaijin : T25 too op, move to 6.7
Nahh 9.7 😂
@@FuriousFire898 nahhhhh, they are expanding the ground BR rating system! It goes to 14.3, where it can only fight itself!
@@JustAnotherRandomPersonOnline Still cant win 😂
I got 15 once, it was a long time ago where it still sit at it's original BR
Good times
Dont give them any idea
The longer i watch Spookston, the more i notice hows hes spiraling into madness
Like a True War Thunder player!
Everytime you mentioned the mobility i can't help but remember the fact that despite having video and document evidence of Type 10 out accelerating type 90 Gaijin still doesn't want to fix it. They hate transmissions i think
Transphobic
I haven't heard of a single transmission fix in the entire memory of all the bug patches that I've read or experienced
@@goddepersonno3782 used to be a bug where tanks would shift gears every nanosecond climbing hills
Made me stop playing
@@ICCUWANSIUT manual transmission exists :P
@@blackcatthegreat182 if i wanted to play manual i'd have started playing manual
Hey Spook, you should play the Semovente 75/46 M43. It's a deeply overshadowed italiano tank destroyer which can deliver an heavy punch but it's deeply ignored the potential it has.
(Day 32)
Big fan of all the Semoventes. The first 3 were my go-to for clubbing the seal clubbers in M4A3 105s when it was 2.7, the HEAT penned them like butter. I like the 105/25 better for its BR than the 75/46 though.
75/34 M43 is also great, same chassis but at 3.3, where 100mm of spaced armor is insane, especially when you're fighting things like StuH's that would normally lolpen you and don't know how to aim for anything but the front plate
I 2nd this
Alongside your idea of being able to move crew members, we should also be able to choose what parts get repaired first if we so wish when youve got a long timer from multiple broken parts. Sitting there while everything somehow repairs at the same slow speed when all you need in that moment is for your track to just be done quick so you can get to cover, or your gun to be done first so you can kill the guy near you before needing to move, is the most infuriating thing sometimes. And it usually finds a way to work against me with my luck.
You might like the Vickers Mk3 MBT, British (export) Tank with LRF and HEAT-FS, as well as a surprisingly decent SABOT and HESH. 8.0 so just at the upper end of your comfort zone.
he hates the british line. he wont like it at all as he makes perfectly abundantly clear every british game he plays. tbf the apds and the non filler rounds is pain
I feel like these videos are meant to highlight the shortcomings of the game so gaijin fixes them, not to sing their praises.
I think it is a amazing tank but yeh Spookston Is bias against UK sad he's missing out
@@FuriousFire898 To be completely honest, he's not wrong, Leopard's and OF's turret seems to eat any and all APDS shots from 17 pdr, 20 pdr, 100mm, and 105mm cannons. And low tier APCBC lack the explosive filler to give them the Oomph of post-pen damage. France atleast has autoloaders and/or speed to compensate, british has naught but stabilizers on slow tanks in lower to mid tier.
T25 at 6.3 without a stabilizer, meanwhile gaijin casually adds the cent mk 2 with stabilizer as a battle pass vehicle at the same br
I would bet the mk2 will go up to 6.7 even before the BP ends. Is british after all. Putting a BP or event vehicle at a low BR so people pay money to get it and then raising the BR is a classic at this point. The pt76 57 starting at 7.0 and the ebr at 4.3 were some of the most insane examples
I remember when it was at 5.3 with a stab. Stopped playing for about 2 years, picked WT up a month ago. I spent hours looking at old Phlydaily videos to make sure I was not insane.
Spookston: mrntions it should not have a stabilizer
Gayjin: oh ok
Spookston: hey wait
Spookston when something happens in the game that would make anyone else punch a hole in their monitor:
"Oh goodness gosh golly, jeez Louise, heavens what an event, truly unfortunate"
6:52
Reminder: if your important data doesn't exist on at least three separate storage devices it may as well not exist
5:30 Spookston casually forgetting he has a .50 cal that can be used against light vehicles.
Or that he can bring HE and also use APCR against fast moving targets that will most likely not trigger APHE fuze anyway 😋
What I get from this is that gaijin dislikes the U.S tanks
Try using the Duster as an actual SPAA at 7.0, the giant br gap between that and the M163 means the M42 is clearly really good obviously
Pain. Also the m163 should have a radar and apds, and the rise engine. But of course American players can't have shit.
@@casematecardinal Incorrect, the M163 never had a search radar. And it did not have the RISE engine. the M113's were only ever equipped with a 212 HP engine, or a 215 HP engine.
Also it was never equipped with APDS, that was designed for the Phalanx CIWS, not the M163
@@magnum6763 wrong on all accounts. Quite impressive actually. The a3 variant sports the rise upgrade package. 20mm apds rounds were introduced with pivads for self defense along with an improved radar set and fire control.
The best US SPAA at 7.0 is the .50 cal on the top of your tanks.
it actually is, i use it regularly and it kicks ass, i mean if a jet sees me and wants to kill me i will be dead but still get good air kills, rarely sometimes a bmp or marder.
7:10 and that's why you keep backups of drives that have important documents like that.
And I'm also glad I spaded the T25 a long time ago.
Ah yes the T25 is so sad... its... depressing... I feel bad whenever I one shot it.
Also day 11 of asking for the IS-6
Bro the gun on that thing went through an angled tiger like butter
The T25 was a strange one for me. On paper it should be less survivable than the M26 but it felt like it bounced shots more often
It did
You should play the Marder. Great video though. No armor is best armor for the Marder considering it faces APFSDS on some tanks
I had a hard time grinding out this tank. But i think I've got the handle of it. The T25 feels like a smaller Panther... .3 br higher, and also very slow. But the reverse speed does wonders on Urban maps
It’s also pretty good hull down 🙂
@8:47 bless that helmet for sticking with the tank shell
Around 7.0 for the us was a blur for me, I was struggling to do well but I eventually pushed through. Might be a skill issue though
No, its painful, i remember it vividly
Currenly playing the T32 at 7.3 and yeah... It feels like playing the King Tiger but you have a 20 sec reload and youre two BR levels above it. It basically feels like the Tiger II H (10.5 cm) except your turret is a bit stronger and hull is weaker, and youre 7.3 so everying has HEAT-FS and your armor doesnt matter.
7:38 You're not salty. You're just well marinated.😂
Could you play the T30? It's got the big American 155 on a really good chassis
If only they had a version of the T28/T95 with this gun, as seen in WoT. Never got said gun historically, but I’m pretty sure it was planned as a potential armament, along with a 120mm gun as another potential candidate (same armament as T34 Heavy Tank).
Secondary name for the video: If only I had a stabilizer
Theory: 25 is Gaijin's unlucky number.
Counterpoint: Su-25.
@@dickg valid counterpoint.
25 truly is one of Gaijin's numbers of all time
"Hundreds of dollars of documents gone."
As someone who had Plesiosaurs fossils stolen from him (given to me by my great grandfather who got them during his days as a miner)
I feel your pain.
I think you would love the leopard 2k. It is a very well rounded vehicle
I shot a Panther D 10 times in the mantlet from near point blank range with the Ho-Ri Prototype APHE, and it only penned once, killing the commander.
They fucked up.
Me: getting my favourite map, downtier and in my favourite tank.
Some plane two minutes in the game: you’ve got mail.
Yea its insane when you look at the German tanks, armor, cannon, engines, then you look at the BR and then you are like.. W...T...F....
This vid was straight out of the salt mines where salt is a lifestyle. *Chef's kiss*
5:39 onwards is the reason why I'm taking a very long break from playing this game. You just love seeing MGs and periscopes eating perfectly placed shots.
Trying to spade T25 right now so and this video explains why I feel in am in an 'Up Tier' even when in a Gaijin 'Down Tier' which is actually more of an 'At Tier'.
Facing an IS6 or IS3 for the first time in a Stock T25, a default round that pens nothing you face, 7.3 time after time after time still stock unable to gain even Parts/FPE, and you realise with stark clarity "Gaijin don't want you playing F2P any more past 6.0"
Gaijin would decrease all German vehicles br and they would think it’d make everything more balanced. F to American tech tree fr
Spookston: Says tank is bad
Spookston: Gets 5-7 kills
Hey Spookston, you should play the SU-85M, it has insane armor at 5.0
I wouldn't call it insane, it just grabs the 45mm t34 hull armor and slaps a 75mm instead. Anything bigger than 76mm will go Tru, unless u snipe from like 2km or something
German guns still laugh at it
Spookston is devolving into madness more and more by the video.
Now play some more M41D, we all know you still have backups on that thing
I'm a free to play American main and the T-25 is the tank that convinced me to give up on American mediums/heavies until the m48 and just play light tanks.
2:22 bro really poured all his anger in that one sentence
I had that same issue with the IS-2 the other day where it couldn't go through the front of a panther another Panther showed up and I shot him straight the mantlet just fine but for whatever reason Gaijin decided to let the other panther take like 4 shots and then get killed by a teammate
It can barely go through a Tiger H1 Mantlet. 140mm thick mantlet...
@@ideadlift20kg83 an IS-2?
@I deadlift 20kg Bro the IS-2's shell has 205mm's of penetration I can go through the front of a tiger like butter.
@@bananataco1235 IS-2 yes. You will non pen more often than not.
@@ideadlift20kg83 Bro I main the IS-2. I have never not penned a tiger from the front mantlet.
we got Spookston using documents to win arguments now, LETS GOOOOO
The amount of frustration in this video is way too similar to my own dialogue when playing War Thunder.
I can’t remember where I heard it, but they said the T25 in game is a mix of the pilot 1 and 2 with the looks of the pilot 2 and the stabilizer from the pilot 1
G'day Spookston.
Huh well that was interesting to see two rather rare tiger I tanks in the same vid heh seeing not only the Porsche Tiger & the Furry Tiger heh. (Hm I wish those odd events were more streamlined like now as I would totally have gotten that Tiger or Aerocobra).
You may joke that there'll be a Premium T25 but shit like that has happened a few times especially with ships with some getting unjusted nerfs then BAM a premium option that has everything going for it at the same BR like one corvette is.
gaijin removed the stabilizer instead of the basket
snail moment
By the way, SSD's are fully recoverable. Many companies perform the data transfer for a pretty small fee since it's so easy to do.
Im getting second-hand anger and frustration just from watching this.
It's not a spookston video without CAS deaths
That Tiger IIP guy at the beginning was just "something else".
The ONE thing this has over the M36 is the reverse gear, and thats at 5.3 - 5.7, I want whatever gaijing is smoking
Oh and the fact it doesn’t die the moment some HEATFS or HE lands anywhere near you. Or that your turret won’t get penetrated by everything in a hull down position 😄
When this thing had the single plane stabilizer oh my gawd
Another good addition to the game is Gaijin giving us the opportunity to reload the fire extinguishers on the cap
I completely forgot that the T25 (a prototype WWII tank with not the best APHE at 6.3) now has to regularly fight the Leopard 1 (a literal go cart with a gun that is effective up to 8.3).
Nothing brings me greater pain than watching my 75mm or 76mm APHE pen a tank like the panther and then proceed to not explode inside and cause two atoms of spall as it enters the gunners chest and turns him yellow.
3:58 i had this same glitch on the barrel of my T34, now i have a tiny “BIG SHOT” on the side of the huge gun
I had always thought that going back to spawn, you should be able to replace dead/injured crew with full health, but much less trained, crew. That way, its a little bit more effort, not just a cap, but you can up your combat effectiveness. And for the love of god, let me replenish ammo at spawn! Even if its like, 1/2 the rate of cap, or something.
Man... I remember when you first did your "M3 is all you need" series, and the T25 was *cracked* during that era. US 6.0 was god tier in those days.
American heavy/medium tanks are just super depressing after the shermans. They lose the stabilizers which is like the one advantage American tanks had and in return get to fire mediocre rounds with mediocre armor.
The worst of which are the t32s worse in every compared to the russian heavies around the br
It's been over a year and this thing is STILL 6.3 while Germany still has Panthers at 5.0 and 5.3/7. What the absolute hell is wrong with these devs?? Mid-tier Germany is like a 13-year-old that's still breastfed. That's how handheld it is
5:31 that's why I always shoot pumas in the amunition next to the driver, even with something like an Is2 I aim carefully
"I swear it's actually faster in reverse than it is going forwards"
Something Something French Tank design
everyone gangsta until they’re in a spookston video where he stops talking briefly and rapidly cuts
should teach us how to get documents and the process behind getting something historically fixed
America 5.7 has been absolute hell. I thought I finally caught a break when I got the T25… alas, it’s even more over tiered than the 5.7 counterparts
Pls do a video on the zut37 it’s so much fun
Hello Sir Spookston, could you please play the Jagdpanther? It's mentioned as the best pound-for-pound gun in the game. Apparently it's mentioned that it has great accuracy, penetration, damage potential and fire rate. Thank you.
Kidnap the Gaijin CEO, tie him to a chair and force him to play this tank stock for 12 hours.
I don't even play WT anymore, I just watch Spookston for tank videos, but im sad to see my favorite American medium outside of the Shermans getting the nerf hammer so bad, I remember flying and topping scoreboards in the T25
Always back up to multiple external drives. Back up to memory cards, thumb drives, external SSDs/HDDs, or even tape libraries if you have em.
I hope from losing your SSD, you learnt the importance of backups.
essentially a Jackson with a reverse gear slightly more armor yet you get to dell
a A-10 Warthogs in arcade
7:08 My father have 3 extra hard drives in case he loses the archives in his computer, one time years ago two of the extra hard drives lost their archives along with the computer.
Hey Spookston you should try play Jagdtiger many people say that Jagdtiger is a great tank destroyer it may be slow but it packs a punch with 128 having almost 300mm of penetration at 6.7
If you listen closely you can slowly hear spookston descending into madness.
i unlocked that thing like 1 or 2 days after the stabilizer nerf i've never cried so hard in my entire life
gaijin takes 1 step forward then takes 20 steps back in everything they do
The T25 is truly depressing. Comparing it to the M26 just makes it worse. You'd think a vehicle with lower weight and the same engine would accelerate better, right? Think again, because the transmission that Gaijin has given to the T25 is so absolutely garbage that the M26 ends up having better forwards acceleration than it.
So, overall...
- The M26 accelerates better when moving forwards while still having a very respectable reverse speed
- The M26 has significantly better armor
- Effectively the same cannon (technically the M26's 90 mm is slightly better because T33 APBC instead of M77 AP)
- Same BR
Edit: About the documents on the T25 with a stabilizer... IIRC, the documents say that testing with a stabilizer started with the pilot no.1 and the no.2 wasn't available at that point in time. After that, there is no mention of the specific T25 pilot that is being tested, so it's just assumed that they only used the pilot no.1.
I feel your pain with the non-pens, I have had so many shots that should pen that don't or bounce. I get angry mosly when that happens when I shoot people in the sides.
The Werner Herzog snippet is great. I laughed so hard man 😂
T25 reminds me of the good old days. How much I miss that stabilizer at 6.0....😢
Please play the T95. Unfortunately, its a hollow shell (Turtle pun entirely entended) of what it used to be. I crucified german mains back in the day for all the times I had to fight their Tiger IIs in the terrible US tanks of the same BR at the time. Now it fights HEAT slingers and early APFSDS armed tanks, moves at a casual 8mph, and I still love it no matter what.
I haven’t played this vehicle for a minute because of the nerfs, but it will always have a special place in my heart. I got my first nuke in it I think the day after nukes were added before the stabilizer got taken away, back when I used to demolish in it. But I intentionally haven’t played it, so I don’t kill my good memories in it and have them get replaced with getting 0 kill games
I started researching this thing right before the massive nerf. I'm glad I didn't waste too much of my time on it
“Excuse me sir your shell hit 1% of an awkward armour panel therefore we’re taking away the whole shell, sorry.” -Gaijins shit ass volumetric.
When is the Q&A spook?
T25? Doktor! Turn off my boo-womp inhibitors! We're gonna need them...
Players: Why is the T25 before the M26 and the same br if it is stabilized?
Gaijin: We got you, fixed:
5.7 memories hit hard
you really should get an eye tracker because its crazy how you spot tanks like at 4:44.
I reckon the T-20 is the tank they truly ruined.
It was once a really great 5.7 premium. Then they uptiered it. Now it's at 6.0 with the 76mm which really suffers.
If only APHE / APCBC worked like it is supposed to instead of tactical nuke shells.
Should be plenty of documents on that…. But that would nerf a ton of tanks that they don’t wanna rebalance. :/
I honestly thought T25 was still 5.7, Had no idea it have gone up.
This gives me flashbacks to spading the italian m26a1