Working on updating the Mega Charts right now, by the way! Adding a bunch of stuff to it. Ended up holding on the update a little bit because Noctua should be launching the Noctua NH-D15 G2 very soon (per Computex interviews), so we want to add it in with the update! Really looking forward to testing that one. Watch our Liquid Freezer III review here: th-cam.com/video/zfffNRTOZCc/w-d-xo.html Check out our Antec C8 Case Review from yesterday! th-cam.com/video/yJAq2H52A2A/w-d-xo.html You can grab one of our PC building Modmats with wiring diagrams, pinouts, and screw-tracking grids here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/large-modmat-gn15-anniversary Or our PC Case Badge Magnets here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-3d-multi-level-pc-case-magnets-amd-ryzen-intel-gn-logo
Thanks this is really impressive for this price point. Have a lot of TR Air coolers (PA/PS/FC I think) and they have been great. Certainly interesting to consider for a first AIO.
Just a quick notice from Germany: here Lego more likely gets called „Klemmbausteine“ or „terminal blocks“, for the more general therm. Because one big company in the space majorly stopped making money with good products, but seems to sue everybody.
If you look at AiO pricing, they have gotten insane, really. $250-300 range. Hopefully something like this can bring them down a little. But their margins don’t need to be as good if you sell a lot more of them. Corsair is the perfect example of plain greed
@@GamersNexus i bought their cheap $12 dollar for 3 fans, i have 9 in my case and they are awesome, well worth the money, i hope they keep the low prices once they get a following
Other AIO manufacturers: “These parts are expensive to obtain. Were gonna need 100-150$ to make any kind of profit.” Thermalright: “Whatever you got in your pocket I guess.”
I'm an OTR truck driver. I bring my pc with me every week. The PC sees daily use gaming and watching media. I would be willing to switch to a Thermalright for a year to give you a 1 off sample of endurance in tough situation.
@@GamersNexus i do pretty simmilar, sadly my case isnt fit for any liquid cooling, but id spend my own money and modify the hell out of my case to allow for this cooler if i could, maybe even swap the fans for Noctua A12x25 fans for better noise control
@@GamersNexus I'm also willing to do the same. My first thought when I saw this is "I need to pick one up and try it because I know so many people doing budget builds." My use case isn't as extreme as David's, but I'm still more than happy to be a guinea pig.
@GamersNexus likewise with me. I installed a similar AIO in my CPU about a month or two ago (the 360 Frozen Notte ARGB). Soundwise, it's pretty quiet so far, and never gets above 55C even after 4 hours of 100% usage on an older i9 with an 85 degree ambient. Game and run graphics processing every day, so it gets around 14 hours of daily usage. Purchased the AIO at $50 on Amazon because I was thinking about replacing my computer in a year-ish with something beefier, and demoting this one to being a NAS, so I wasn't really trying to buy something to last and just rolled the dice on them. Have been immensely surprised and happy with the performance. One thing i noticed is that they don't seem to work with any system integrators like ibuypower, which may be how they're managing to thread the needle on price margins - it's all direct to consumer, no large bulk order discounts.
"Notte" is indeed Italian for "night". Well spotted, Steve. A man of many talents, indeed! Now we just need a thermal analysis of Dante's layers of hell to determine their capacity to function as external heatsinks.
The big players in the liquid cooling marketplace have been enjoying insane markups on AIOs and just about anything that has to do with LC. This is exactly the kind of aggressive pricing the consumers need.
Though, when their competitors ask around how on earth ThermalRight is making any profits with these prices then one would guess that the markup isn't that great, at least not on AOI:s like Arctic.
there is a difference. besides quality - features & prob longevity. which has not been tested here. can last 2+ years without a problem or may leak after 3 months of use & may destory ur $1000+ hardware. basically asking to buy a $20 1400w no name chinese psu & test a 4080 on it. surely it will work. why these AIO's are so cheap cuz they basically dont have any sensors on it. where is the water temp sensor? it can affect the live massively. otherwise fans still ramp up when cpu is getting hot, which u shouldnt do at all, its water. the cpu can be 40-50°c/104-122° while the water is also 45°c/113° & raising. which isnt a problem till it gets 60°c/140°+ but it def. reduces its lifespan & may leak at some point due to the aggressive heat. but do whatever u guys wanna do, im in the worng - cant wait till the next video where companies getting called out again
I don't know if I've just never taken notice before but this is the first time I've seen a step by step installation process in a review and it's AWESOME. Installation time, complexity and frustration factors into my buying decision and I usually have to go searching for a separate video. THANK YOU
He leaves out the 216 for cases which is second only to the Torrent in cooling performance, and 100% ignores the existence of the Phantom Spirit which is superior to the Peerless Assassin. I find it grating at this point.
@@user-sd9dk5ir7v A) I've brought it up like twice, and B) what kind of loser stalks a person and whines about the comments he made a couple times? Your kind I guess.
Alright we know Gamers Nexus will break down any company like Asus, which is GREAT! Now can we get an interview with Thernalright to ask how they are doing so much RIGHT for the community when others can't!? Or wont'?! I'm curious as to how a company so large can release such good hardware and variations of such hardware, for such a good price. I'm all for it!
My guess is that they're going for massive production scale. That is, contacting every system integrator and offering them badged versions for basically no extra cost, while also just hammering the DIY market to build the brand name.
@@andersjjensen It's honestly a good play if I had to speculate, there's likely huge rise in compute coming along with AI advancements, meaning more used desktops, many of which will have decades old OEM coolers beginning to fail, on top off all the new computers that will continue to hit the market. Not to mention every year of PC is another year of time that PC is relevant for, in that you can pretty much do anything from the start to the time of the computers creation, so computers naturally become outdated slower, as the period they're useful for grows larger faster than the rate at which new games and applications can require new hardware.
In South East Asia, Thermalright is competing aggressively against Deepcool, IDCooling and Techware. It's crazy to think that their $30 air cooler can cool down a 120w CPU easily.
I live near China and I bought the cheapest sub-$10 thermalright for my 10600KF. With an open case it cooled my CPU running at 126w stably for a few days straight
saw that you're from philippines, i guess we (i'm indonesian) really shared the market. Tecware is a bit late here though they're mostly pc case and accessories (like cable extension) so honestly it's just id-cooling vs thermalright due to their similar pricing
I don't need one at this particular moment, but I'm almost compelled to get one just because it's so cheap, and the air coolers have been damn impressive.
I got a Thermalright air cooler for my kid because it was cheap. It turned out to be really good. Keeps his 12400 under 65 degrees in cinebench. Was $28 AUSTRALIAN dollars lol
I bought the 240mm version for $40 a couple months ago for my spare rig and honestly I'm quite impressed with it. The 12400F in it absolutely doesn't need an AIO, but at that price, it just makes you go "why not"
I'd get one now since they're so cheap. I have plenty of extra Thermalright fans, AIOs and air coolers I keep in my closet in case I ever need a back-up. Their products are so cheap and perform well enough that keeping an extra AIO or air cooler around might be worth it, before they inevitably increase their prices once they get more recognition. They already increased the price of some of their AIOs compared to last year. Up to you, but a $60 is nothing for a good performing 360mm AIO with GN's seal of approval.
@@saintgtx why bother with constant fan replacement, when you can buy some high quality fans? Oh, right, "it´s cheap". Eventually, the cost of those "cheap" fans will pile up & go up and beyond the cost of expensive, high quality fans (which will still run). But don´t mind me, go on, keep piling up the e-waste.
12:25: It should be noted that the bracket is imprinted with "AM4" but this works with that, and also AM5. Thermaltake did not change the design when AM5 came out. An AM5 PC builder can safely use the AM4-labeled bracket. This may avoid confusion as they dig through the box looking for an "AM5" bracket thinking it was lost or not included. Hope this helps.
@guccipucci69420 Please try to remember that not everyone shares the same knowledge and experience. You may know this but, to many new PC builders making their first machine, that's an unknown in completely new territory.
Been using the frozen notte since May 2023. Great cooler, was on a 13700k and now on a 7800x3d. You have to adjust the CPU fan curve as it's waaay too loud out of the box even at idle, but after adjusting the curve it's been amazing and very quiet. Thermalright products are phenomenal for price to value compared to literally every other company
I went with the $35 Phantom Spirit 120 SE twin tower/fans black version for a 5600X3D. Cheapest was $28 but the free shipping kicks in at $35 and saves $11, the black model was $4 cheaper overall. I configured it fan on back for RGB RAM visibility and performance was the same, outstanding. In three levels of demand results were, 26-33c idle/45-68c games/71-78 full stress test. An amazing product.
LONG TERM USER OF THIS COOLER HERE: Bought last July even. I'm running the white version and have been for some time now. I had issues with it when I first installed it. First off the mounting brackets are a pain to line up struggled and got thermal paste everywhere, finally got it mounted and cleaned up. Then I found out a few minutes later the motor wasn't spinning, was it dead?? It wasn't a good first impression. Curiosity got the better of me and I tore the pump housing apart seen how it worked. Then I noticed one of the screws holding the circuit board in place was loose and the board was off centered. I centered it and re tightened the screw and tried turning it on, the motor started spinning and I was relieved. I put it back together and it's been working fine for me ever since. It's got to be around a year now, the motor never stuck again. Then the last issue I had was that one of the fans died on me. I replaced it for 6 or 7 bucks, even so with all that, I'm still very happy with it. It cools good, my cpu might hit 60c max under stress testing. your results will very as my cpu is just a 6 core 3600x..........at the moment. I usually buy with future upgrades in mind. I will say this, everyone who see's this cooler in my system thinks it's expensive, it shocks them that not every computer part is expensive. To sum it up, it's a good cooler if the quality control was a bit better. The average user would have sent it back and never bought from them again coming up against a problem like mine was, good thing I like to tinker and check things out. Most would be too pissed to bother. For a long time look, do you want me to take it apart and see how it look's inside, send you a few pics or something?? I haven't noticed any degradation in it's performance and I run 2 monitors with one having monitoring software running at all times, so I'd notice.
@@constanttension8833 get hwinfo, if that shows your temp, you're probably fine. Adrenaline isn't something I've used in a while, but I remember having that issue at one point, I think I uninstalled, then reinstalled Ryzen master and then clean installed adrenaline.
Its avoid tier. They only give 5 year warranty max meaning its built like shit. The thermalright OEM is SANR who is a chinese manufaturer. The make a 1050W psu which is 750W in reality.
@@kazuviking Why is China associated with bs? Like it was proven otherwise so many times... If you mentioned actual specs of resistance, magnetic strength etc. I would believe you but it's just frat
Thermalright has been killing it for a long time, glad their finally getting the recognition they deserve. Been using their coolers for a decade, going back to the Macho series coolers.
I've had this exact one installed in my PC since August of last year, so it's great to see it reviewed! Managing to get the exact same Thermalright model is making me feel like I should start guessing lottery numbers. One data point isn't massively useful in itself but I can at least attest that there's been no changes in thermal performance over the initial ~10 months on mine, and considering it replaced a Corsair cooler that I opened up and found full of gunk I'm pretty satisfied they're not cheaping out any more than a more expensive brand. If I have problems with it at any point in the future I'll let you know! I actually originally had the Thermal Notte for about two weeks, the in-line pump was annoyingly loud and wasn't PWM controlled so I swapped it for the Prism, which had already shifted price down to £59.90 from somewhere just above the Notte at £63.90. I definitely suggest people read the spec sheets on these coolers pretty closely, I had to dig fairly far down the Amazon page to make sure the Prism's pump was 4-pin PWM.
I have the Thermalright ARGB 240, and purchased it for ~$45 USD in January of this year. I have it cooling a 5700x3d inside of the Lian Li 011D mini. My CPU temps have never exceeded 55c! I don’t know what deal with the Devil these people have, but this cooler it has been nothing short of amazing.
I bought the same one last august (2023) for a 13700K runs like a champ. I only changed the fans to the because I wanted a ring light effect for the build.
Honestly hope more people buy thermalright AIOs. With its price its clearly the best price - performance, its reliability is still questionable though since not a lot of people own it. Partly because Thermalright refuses to do any advertisement and just releases coolers seemingly at random.
All AIOs used to be priced around high end air cooling when they launched. Once they became popular companies started price gouging. Most are still the same Asetek or coolit based unit they were when AIOs launched.
Got mine a couple months ago for a little under 70USD including taxes. I've loved its performance so far and I'm really happy to see it on an expert-level vid! I knew they had good AIO's but I didn't think it'd be similar to LF3 perf, wow! Thanks for what you do - saludos desde Argentina!
Haha yes it was on Amazon maybe like three weeks ago, it's currently unavailable, but I think it will come back because it was on their shelf when you covered the Thermalright booth at Computex!
@@bretthake7713 nice! i think i saw a 120 aio of their's for 37 or less. absolutely insane pricing... wonder if we could get some numbers on the company's financials or if they're doing some shady stuff...
I have two Frozen Notte 360's in my desktop and sim rig systems and both have been gucci like a pucci after thousands of hours of powered on time each. The pump being integrated into the tubing is inspired, both from a engineering and design and a patent dodging perspective.
i remember someone mentioning a long time that "East" companies compete with each other by undercutting the other. While "West" companies compete with each other by offering better specs than other for even ludicrous prices.
Well yeah, in "West" we have quality on our side and quality is priority. "West" products work. "East" doesnt have so much advanced development (or its simply not priority) and to be able to sell their products they must compete with pricing. Yeah in East Asia ppl dont earn 20€/hr as in "West" and if you multiply difference just between wages for all employees its a huge number every month. Ofc there are many exceptions on both sides. If you would compare this cooler to NH-D15 G2, well then Noctua is looser. But if you would test it for 10-15years (which Noctua delivers - from my experiences) it would mean if Thermaltake's cooler break every 3-5years and you replace it with new one for same price. Then after 10-15years you would get to same price as brand new NH-D15 G2, performance is slightly better with Thermaltake's cooler, but noise level is uncomperable. So in long run if Thermaltake's cooler breaks 3x in life span of NH-D15 G2, then I would definitely prefers slightly higher temps + significant quiter solution, which doesnt require any maintenance (you have to blow dust away from every PC every once in a while). But question is how long will this cooler work? If you are changing PC every 2years then selling it and buying new one. Then this cooler might be perfect for you. Well and with current geopolitics, I begun to prefer home - "West" products over "East" in everything. And I am not the only one who wont buy from "East" companies if there is equivalent of "West".
@@nonamenosurname8516 I read all that. Why bother with Noctua when there's Arctic LF 2 and ALF3. I'm from India. Even if I wasn't I dont wanna pay 1000$ for motherboards and 100$ for Air coolers.
Speaking of old Air Coolers, I still have my old 2008 build that I threw a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme on way way back then and, it still works flawlessly with that old Q9550 Overclocked 1Ghz from 2.84ghz to 3.84Ghz. Thermalright seems to have a solid grasp on their quality, lifespan, and value.
@@DingleBerryschnapps i mean, maybe? at least we can change our CPU often if we want to without having to buy a whole new MB and rebuilding our system every time. Intel, for now, has an awful record for being anti consumer with all the LGA and shit changing very often. At least AMD decided to just keep AM4 and AM5 for a good 5 years+.
Been using the 240 frozen prism for about a year now. I got it as a cheap temporary solution but its been so good i see no reason to change it. I paired it with my 7900x and it keeps it at or under 55 under load. Beyond pleased with its performance
If you'd like to see how Mines held up after a year of intense daily use, I'd be happy to trade yours with mine and you can tear it open and see how it's done.
Im still rocking the Thermalright Macho rev.A with a TY-143 instead of the default fan and X-Silent 145 for my drive cage cooling. They're gonna be running for 11 years on 9th of July 2024, outliving the original FX-8350 build I bought them for for over one and half years and continuing working perfectly fine to date. Great quality!
I got Thermalright's Tower cooler for my R7 on your Rec. Hands down best upgrade I could have done after my 280 from BQuiet died after a year. Its now my go To rec for customers on Mid Builds.
affordable 360mm AIOs is a good thing, many of us live in places where air coolers are simply not enough because it's so hot most of the time they just become inefficient and loud.
True but pump noise really matters. I am okay with my Asetek 8th gen pump that I can run at a low rpm when idle. I couldn't be comfortable with an aio that has the pump run at a fixed speed that is high rpm.
@@nickmhc Yes. That's precisely the idea of liquid coolers. To get the same cooling surface area on an air cooler you'd have to shape it in impractical/comical ways.
@@cemsengul16 I don't even know what pump noise is, I've never heard my AIO making any noise aside from the fans for as long as I've used it in the last 8-9 years or so.
Bought a Thermalright Frozen Warframe 240 for 77 euros (80 bucks). Very efficient, beautiful, cheap and comes with an LCD screen you can customize. I run it on a relatively small CPU (5600X with an OC), but I'm impressed: 43-44 degrees on stress test or gaming, around 30 idle (room temp is 21). This AIO would be enough to cool stronger CPUs, I wish you guys would test this 240 AIO one day. Incredible value.
The fact that the included hardware is color coded for your manufacturer (red for AMD and blue for Intel) is brilliant. The last time I installed an AIO I stressed quite a bit about making sure I was selecting the correct included hardware.
Their TL-B12 and TL-B14 fans are AMAZING for the money as well. I have two Phantom Spirit 120 and just ordered a Frozen Edge 240. Their stuff is just so good for the money. Oh, and a LGA1700 and AM5 hold down plates.
Just wanted to say that your videos at 4K@60fps look absolutely stunning to watch on a 1440p 32" monitor at 12bit color depth. Can't even imagine how gorgeous they'd look on a 4K monitor. Crazy production quality!
Was still rocking my Liquid Freezer 2 from when you first recommended it. Got a new case and 240mm looked weird in a O11 Evo so i got an aircooler. Now you tell me i can get a 60€ 360mm AIO? Youre ruining me
$60 for that much hardware is absolutely insane. I can assure you with 100% certainty they are in fact making nothing selling that and a decent chance they're losing money. $60 for a high quality air cooler makes sense (fundamentally more simple product and all that). $60 for a full blown 360mm AIO that's not objectively terrible? No shot. A single return would wipe out all margin (if they had any) from 200+ sales.
If I recall GN, or maybe another tech-tuber said they were informed as such. Sell for little profit to gain market share... In 3-5 years thermalright could be charging x4 the price because of recognition.
Honestly, when you think about it, an AIO is not more complex to engineer than an air cooler with vapor chambers. We're at a point where they're now fine tuning pipe curves and angles. Here, they probably just took a random pump, a bog standard radiator, and any roll of hose of the correct diameter and throw it all together without thinking about it. Like, technically you could pull out a car radiator and fan from a junkyard and make it work as your PC's liquid cooling system - I know it's been done by some mad lads several times. The base principle of a liquid cooler is simple as hell. There is certainly room for optimisation, as shown by GN's results VS more expensive offers - you could use a thicker radiator with higher pressure fans, increase the finstack density, triple pass, even go for a crossflow design with coolant entry and exit hoses being fitted on opposite sides of the radiator... which would increase costs. But if the most basic radiator and pump are enough to get better results than the high end air coolers at a similar or lower price, why the hell not do it ?
@gt4lex Not talking engineering cost. Talking BOM costs + distribution costs. Engineering and or R&D for this product is probably at under 5% of the cost of this item given the amount they expect to make. Hell probably
Its not about being the best, its about being good enough. 60$ with those thermals and those dBAs. Who needs a cooler just to do its job and work as promised, its good enough. Very good work from Thermalright. This is the Battletech Warhammer of 360 AIO coolers.
I've had the Frozen Notte 240mm on an OC'd 12600KF for exactly 1 year today, and I've had no issues with it so far, excellent thermals for the $48 I paid for it a year ago, and still working just as well as it did on the day I installed it. Even if it were to crap out today, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Thermalright AIO to replace it.
I'm gonna be honest, I rarely like to buy from brands that overwhelm the customers with a bunch of similar products. It also gives me the impression that what they make is cheap and poorly designed, like they are just throwing shit in the market hoping something becomes popular.
Then you'd be falling into a price value fallacy. Where the same item, sold at a higher price has better perceived quality. The data shows that atleast for their air coolers, they're top of the line.
While you can be correct, I don't think you are here. AIOs are drastically over priced atm especially if you throw in a cheap Ali express LCD on the pump == profit 😂. They are by no means cheap as in low quality, just less margin. The flooding the market technique is great for competition even if you don't want to by one.
Recently bought some recommended stocks and now they are just penny stocks. There seems to be more negative portfolios in 2024 with the markets tumbling, soaring inflation, and banks going out of business. My concern is how can the rapid interest-rate hike be of favor to a value investor, or is it better avoiding stocks for a while?
Very true, you can be passively involved in the markts and still amass wealth-gains using an investment advisor. I first dabbled in stocks late 2019, just before the pandemic, and that same year gained over 150% with no prior investing experience, basically all I was doing was following directions of my advisor. We are working on a retirement ballpark of $3m and I’m certain my goal isn’t farfetched after subsequent investments and tremendous returns so far.
This is striking! could you share info of your advisor, please? i'm in dire need of asset allocation and standing at a crossroads, whether to sell-off or keep holding my positions, my portfolio is retrogressing bad as of late
My CFA *Layan Talia Chokr* , a renowned figure in her line of work. I recommend researching her credentials further. She has many years of experience and is a valuable resource for anyone looking to navigate the financial market.
I just looked her up on the internet and found her webpage with her credentials. I wrote her a outlining my financial objectives and planned a call with her
You should also do a review on the Phantom Spirit 120. It is the newer version of the Peerless Assassin and it is supposedly better at 2$ more. I have one in my recently build system and is performing excellently.
I've had this cooler for nearly a year now and it's performed great. I bought it for about $54 last year and If I have to replace in the coming year with another, that's fine. I have it on my 5900x and it keeps it quite cool. With my fan curve, I think rarely have it going above 80% fan speeds as it usually maxes out at ~70C. Gaming is my only CPU intensive task, which I always have my headset on, so even if it did turn into a wind tunnel, I still wouldn't hear it. Easily recommended.
I brought one of these in June 2023 for £63, I've been running it several hours a day nearly every day, I haven't noticed any changes in performance or noise levels. It's been a great cooler!
I bought Thermalright Frost Prism 140 V3 ARGB dual tower for 37$ dollars last winter. 1kg! of radiator, nice quiet fans and awesome looks. I couldn't be happier.
Imagine THIS being NOT the best thermalright's 360 aio under 100 bucks! You should definitely try ones with tl-b12/tl-k12 fans, like notte and some of the visions as these fans are much better
I have been running a 240 Frozen Prism in a build since October. It easily keeps a 7700X cool under any conditions that my son has tortured it with. I have it in a 011D Mini and used Thermalright fans only in the build, I tried to keep the fans similar. I have been really impressed with it. I found it really easy to install, even though I installed it upside down the first time. I have a Thermalright fan that scares me, but not one on the AIO, hoping that it is a one-off and not indicative of future issues or failures.
The sheer number of different SKUs that Thermalright offers is incomprehensible to me. I would absolutely LOVE to see a tour of their factory to get a glimpse of how they can produce and maintain so many product variations.
It would be really cool if the cooler charts were alligned so that all brands are directly below each other. That way it would be much easier to search for a particular cooler
I bought this for my ryzen 7 7800x3d & 4070 super ti build in February. It works like a charm. I'm happy to see I made a great choice before the price skyrockets because of this video, lol.
I ran a pc business in LA and their notte aio has been my go-to when it comes to building under $2000 PC, leaving a lot budget room for other components
I've had a 280mm Thermalright AIO for bout 2 years now. It's been awesome for the performance to price. I rarely ever hear it spin up on my 13700K unless i hit it with Cinebench, Shader compilation, or Handbrake. Mounting hardware was a bit unorthadox with a massive circular bracket, but for such a low price, hard to complain.
I feel like Thermalright has mastered the art of where and how to cheap out on their products. This is not to say that Thermalright's products are "cheap" in terms of quality, just that know exactly how to keep the cost down and still build a product that gets the job done.
Sound while important is not always as big a deal in the day and age of headset gaming. The fact it preforms this well at cheap prices makes it a great budget option.
Been using the Aqua Elite 360 V3 for 6 months now. Also put the same fans as the cooler in my system, 3 on the rad, 7 in the system since they were only about $4 each (TL-C12C-S). Been running perfect. On a 12700k with a slight overclock. Never once had it go over 68C and that is only on all-core synthetic benchmarks. Pump is set to 100%, fans set to a curve. Really been happy with it. Got the same model in the 240 for my NAS/VM host machine a week later, it has been fine as well.
1:50 love the new "purchased by gamersnexus" notation, definitely clearer and more comprehensible than the older one (even though I still really love that you bother to flag this at all)
Using a Thermalright Frozen Notte 240 mounted to cold a 12400 @5.2 during 10 to 16 hours each day. It's in charge of the cpu for now 15 months, and I can definitely tell there's absolutely no drop in its performance for now. Best regards from France.
The Thermalright Frozen Warframe is on the cheap side too but excellent cooling and comes with a removable LCD screen that can set up with a variety of designs and readings.
Working on updating the Mega Charts right now, by the way! Adding a bunch of stuff to it. Ended up holding on the update a little bit because Noctua should be launching the Noctua NH-D15 G2 very soon (per Computex interviews), so we want to add it in with the update! Really looking forward to testing that one.
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Can you post GPU Mega Charts to your website? I would like to look at those!
Surely Thermalright Peerless Assassin SE will be present on this list
please please do a low profile air coolers for sff itx builds showdown please 😢
Thanks this is really impressive for this price point. Have a lot of TR Air coolers (PA/PS/FC I think) and they have been great. Certainly interesting to consider for a first AIO.
Just a quick notice from Germany: here Lego more likely gets called „Klemmbausteine“ or „terminal blocks“, for the more general therm. Because one big company in the space majorly stopped making money with good products, but seems to sue everybody.
There is agressive pricing then there is Thermalright 😂. 60 bucks for a 360 AIO is insane stuff , kuddos to Thermalright for pulling it off !!!
not just 60 bucks for a 360 aio, 60 bucks for a decent one!
in Europe the 360 liquid freezer 3 is sold for €75 (€85 for ARGB) so for €20 less I don't know how competitive it is
yup i just bought the 420 artic freezer 3 for 70 euro
If you look at AiO pricing, they have gotten insane, really. $250-300 range. Hopefully something like this can bring them down a little. But their margins don’t need to be as good if you sell a lot more of them. Corsair is the perfect example of plain greed
@@farmeunitCan't argue with Corsair's awful pricing, but the H150 I bought 6 years ago is still going strong on my 9700K, I'd say it did its job
Thermalright is just competing with itself
Thermalright's aggressive pricing and amount of products seems actually insane. Definitely a big push by the company the last couple years!
Thermalright the goat
yeah just like Xiaomi competing itself in the budget midrange phones
@@GamersNexus I do wonder what their profit margins are. I personally bet is it sub 10%, the fans being the highest percentage cost most likely.
@@GamersNexus i bought their cheap $12 dollar for 3 fans, i have 9 in my case and they are awesome, well worth the money, i hope they keep the low prices once they get a following
Noctua: "It takes us years to masterfully craft our air coolers to perfection."
ThermalRight: "That'll be $40."
Other AIO manufacturers: “These parts are expensive to obtain. Were gonna need 100-150$ to make any kind of profit.”
Thermalright: “Whatever you got in your pocket I guess.”
I'm an OTR truck driver. I bring my pc with me every week. The PC sees daily use gaming and watching media. I would be willing to switch to a Thermalright for a year to give you a 1 off sample of endurance in tough situation.
That'd actually be awesome. Shoot us an email at team at GamersNexus dot net so we can coordinate!
@@GamersNexus i do pretty simmilar, sadly my case isnt fit for any liquid cooling, but id spend my own money and modify the hell out of my case to allow for this cooler if i could, maybe even swap the fans for Noctua A12x25 fans for better noise control
@@GamersNexus I'm also willing to do the same. My first thought when I saw this is "I need to pick one up and try it because I know so many people doing budget builds." My use case isn't as extreme as David's, but I'm still more than happy to be a guinea pig.
Cool, what truck do you drive
euro or american
@GamersNexus likewise with me. I installed a similar AIO in my CPU about a month or two ago (the 360 Frozen Notte ARGB). Soundwise, it's pretty quiet so far, and never gets above 55C even after 4 hours of 100% usage on an older i9 with an 85 degree ambient. Game and run graphics processing every day, so it gets around 14 hours of daily usage.
Purchased the AIO at $50 on Amazon because I was thinking about replacing my computer in a year-ish with something beefier, and demoting this one to being a NAS, so I wasn't really trying to buy something to last and just rolled the dice on them. Have been immensely surprised and happy with the performance. One thing i noticed is that they don't seem to work with any system integrators like ibuypower, which may be how they're managing to thread the needle on price margins - it's all direct to consumer, no large bulk order discounts.
"Notte" is indeed Italian for "night". Well spotted, Steve. A man of many talents, indeed! Now we just need a thermal analysis of Dante's layers of hell to determine their capacity to function as external heatsinks.
Nah it's a typo, it's supposed to say "nutte" which means "hoe" in German
this comment deserves a heart lol
Since I’m Italian I confirm. It’s night :)
I'm sure you could make one hell of a cooler out of the bottom layer
hahaha, laughed at the Dante's layers of hell analysis. Our future test methods should incorporate them!
The big players in the liquid cooling marketplace have been enjoying insane markups on AIOs and just about anything that has to do with LC. This is exactly the kind of aggressive pricing the consumers need.
Right. Thermalright isn't cheap. They just have the right price. Everyone else on the other hand is just taking obscene chunk of profits.
Part of the blame is on Asetek and their aggressive patent lawsuits. The rest is on AiO sellers spyware... ehm, software development.
Though, when their competitors ask around how on earth ThermalRight is making any profits with these prices then one would guess that the markup isn't that great, at least not on AOI:s like Arctic.
We have to see how long they can keep it up.
there is a difference. besides quality - features & prob longevity. which has not been tested here. can last 2+ years without a problem or may leak after 3 months of use & may destory ur $1000+ hardware. basically asking to buy a $20 1400w no name chinese psu & test a 4080 on it. surely it will work. why these AIO's are so cheap cuz they basically dont have any sensors on it. where is the water temp sensor? it can affect the live massively. otherwise fans still ramp up when cpu is getting hot, which u shouldnt do at all, its water. the cpu can be 40-50°c/104-122° while the water is also 45°c/113° & raising. which isnt a problem till it gets 60°c/140°+ but it def. reduces its lifespan & may leak at some point due to the aggressive heat. but do whatever u guys wanna do, im in the worng - cant wait till the next video where companies getting called out again
Holding 250w at 65 degrees when limited to 35dba...for 60 dollars?! That's absolute silliness. Thank you GN Team for the DATA ACQUISITION
That is a delta over ambient temp. A more precise, if easily mistaken measurement. With an ambient of 21c, you are looking at 86c.
@@thatfordboy4297 250w 86c at 35 dba still means silent gaming which is epic
That's so Biden
@@snak8y8s bait
@@fayenotfaye And you're not drawing 250w during gaming either. It's more like a "silent Cinebench PC", which is not even an everyday use case.
I don't know if I've just never taken notice before but this is the first time I've seen a step by step installation process in a review and it's AWESOME. Installation time, complexity and frustration factors into my buying decision and I usually have to go searching for a separate video. THANK YOU
Your equipment for testing is absolutely insane.
He leaves out the 216 for cases which is second only to the Torrent in cooling performance, and 100% ignores the existence of the Phantom Spirit which is superior to the Peerless Assassin. I find it grating at this point.
@@insertnamehere4419 This really is a massive peeve of yours huh?
Every comment is about phantom spirit this or that
@@user-sd9dk5ir7v A) I've brought it up like twice, and B) what kind of loser stalks a person and whines about the comments he made a couple times? Your kind I guess.
Alright we know Gamers Nexus will break down any company like Asus, which is GREAT!
Now can we get an interview with Thernalright to ask how they are doing so much RIGHT for the community when others can't!? Or wont'?!
I'm curious as to how a company so large can release such good hardware and variations of such hardware, for such a good price. I'm all for it!
My guess is that they're going for massive production scale. That is, contacting every system integrator and offering them badged versions for basically no extra cost, while also just hammering the DIY market to build the brand name.
@@andersjjensen It's honestly a good play if I had to speculate, there's likely huge rise in compute coming along with AI advancements, meaning more used desktops, many of which will have decades old OEM coolers beginning to fail, on top off all the new computers that will continue to hit the market.
Not to mention every year of PC is another year of time that PC is relevant for, in that you can pretty much do anything from the start to the time of the computers creation, so computers naturally become outdated slower, as the period they're useful for grows larger faster than the rate at which new games and applications can require new hardware.
if I'm not mistaken, Thermalright has their own OEM factory, so that's less pricing stuff (idk the details of how pricing works).
Will try to arrange that!
In South East Asia, Thermalright is competing aggressively against Deepcool, IDCooling and Techware. It's crazy to think that their $30 air cooler can cool down a 120w CPU easily.
I live near China and I bought the cheapest sub-$10 thermalright for my 10600KF. With an open case it cooled my CPU running at 126w stably for a few days straight
I literally never have to even think about CPU temps. It's absurd
saw that you're from philippines, i guess we (i'm indonesian) really shared the market. Tecware is a bit late here though they're mostly pc case and accessories (like cable extension) so honestly it's just id-cooling vs thermalright due to their similar pricing
I don't need one at this particular moment, but I'm almost compelled to get one just because it's so cheap, and the air coolers have been damn impressive.
I got a Thermalright air cooler for my kid because it was cheap. It turned out to be really good. Keeps his 12400 under 65 degrees in cinebench. Was $28 AUSTRALIAN dollars lol
@@100Underscoresprops to you for doing research for your kid!
I bought the 240mm version for $40 a couple months ago for my spare rig and honestly I'm quite impressed with it. The 12400F in it absolutely doesn't need an AIO, but at that price, it just makes you go "why not"
I'd get one now since they're so cheap. I have plenty of extra Thermalright fans, AIOs and air coolers I keep in my closet in case I ever need a back-up. Their products are so cheap and perform well enough that keeping an extra AIO or air cooler around might be worth it, before they inevitably increase their prices once they get more recognition. They already increased the price of some of their AIOs compared to last year. Up to you, but a $60 is nothing for a good performing 360mm AIO with GN's seal of approval.
@@saintgtx why bother with constant fan replacement, when you can buy some high quality fans? Oh, right, "it´s cheap". Eventually, the cost of those "cheap" fans will pile up & go up and beyond the cost of expensive, high quality fans (which will still run).
But don´t mind me, go on, keep piling up the e-waste.
12:25: It should be noted that the bracket is imprinted with "AM4" but this works with that, and also AM5. Thermaltake did not change the design when AM5 came out. An AM5 PC builder can safely use the AM4-labeled bracket. This may avoid confusion as they dig through the box looking for an "AM5" bracket thinking it was lost or not included.
Hope this helps.
Thank you!
This should be pinned. Very important info, thank you.
The AM4 coolers mount the exact same way as AM5 so yeah I’d hope it works lol
Thermalright, not Thermaltake
@guccipucci69420 Please try to remember that not everyone shares the same knowledge and experience. You may know this but, to many new PC builders making their first machine, that's an unknown in completely new territory.
Been using the frozen notte since May 2023. Great cooler, was on a 13700k and now on a 7800x3d. You have to adjust the CPU fan curve as it's waaay too loud out of the box even at idle, but after adjusting the curve it's been amazing and very quiet. Thermalright products are phenomenal for price to value compared to literally every other company
I went from a 9900k to a 7800x3d and this CPU chip just runs so cool (versus Intel) that I dont think you need a great cooler for it.
All I read is that you went from a 13700k to a 7800x3d.
Mind-boggling.
I went with the $35 Phantom Spirit 120 SE twin tower/fans black version for a 5600X3D. Cheapest was $28 but the free shipping kicks in at $35 and saves $11, the black model was $4 cheaper overall. I configured it fan on back for RGB RAM visibility and performance was the same, outstanding. In three levels of demand results were, 26-33c idle/45-68c games/71-78 full stress test. An amazing product.
So they charged you 7$ for free shopping? Sounds good!
LONG TERM USER OF THIS COOLER HERE: Bought last July even. I'm running the white version and have been for some time now. I had issues with it when I first installed it. First off the mounting brackets are a pain to line up struggled and got thermal paste everywhere, finally got it mounted and cleaned up. Then I found out a few minutes later the motor wasn't spinning, was it dead?? It wasn't a good first impression. Curiosity got the better of me and I tore the pump housing apart seen how it worked. Then I noticed one of the screws holding the circuit board in place was loose and the board was off centered. I centered it and re tightened the screw and tried turning it on, the motor started spinning and I was relieved. I put it back together and it's been working fine for me ever since. It's got to be around a year now, the motor never stuck again. Then the last issue I had was that one of the fans died on me. I replaced it for 6 or 7 bucks, even so with all that, I'm still very happy with it. It cools good, my cpu might hit 60c max under stress testing. your results will very as my cpu is just a 6 core 3600x..........at the moment. I usually buy with future upgrades in mind. I will say this, everyone who see's this cooler in my system thinks it's expensive, it shocks them that not every computer part is expensive. To sum it up, it's a good cooler if the quality control was a bit better. The average user would have sent it back and never bought from them again coming up against a problem like mine was, good thing I like to tinker and check things out. Most would be too pissed to bother. For a long time look, do you want me to take it apart and see how it look's inside, send you a few pics or something?? I haven't noticed any degradation in it's performance and I run 2 monitors with one having monitoring software running at all times, so I'd notice.
Hey man I just bought this for my 5700x3d and adrenalin is showing my cpu temps at 0.0c have you ever had this problem
@@constanttension8833
Try hwinfo, if it shows up there, then id uninstall Ryzen master and reinstall adrenaline/ drivers
leaving a reply to see the answer
@@theplotthickens6313 following the follow
@@constanttension8833 get hwinfo, if that shows your temp, you're probably fine.
Adrenaline isn't something I've used in a while, but I remember having that issue at one point, I think I uninstalled, then reinstalled Ryzen master and then clean installed adrenaline.
Nice to see the transition to plain text for clarifying how the item was acquired!
Steve, you could test Thermalright's PSUs next!!!! There is little to no info on them
1000w 80+ platinum for 800 rmb (~110-120$) is insane!
Its avoid tier. They only give 5 year warranty max meaning its built like shit. The thermalright OEM is SANR who is a chinese manufaturer. The make a 1050W psu which is 750W in reality.
@@robertobokarev439 Because its not true 100W but around 800W.
@@kazuviking Why is China associated with bs? Like it was proven otherwise so many times... If you mentioned actual specs of resistance, magnetic strength etc. I would believe you but it's just frat
Their fans and air coolers have been my go to for builds for over a year now. Glad to see them getting better. You cant beat them in terms of pricing.
Can't wait for you guys to review the "Thermalthanks Steve 360 to You Steve Liquid Cooler"
Thermalright has been killing it for a long time, glad their finally getting the recognition they deserve. Been using their coolers for a decade, going back to the Macho series coolers.
I've had this exact one installed in my PC since August of last year, so it's great to see it reviewed! Managing to get the exact same Thermalright model is making me feel like I should start guessing lottery numbers. One data point isn't massively useful in itself but I can at least attest that there's been no changes in thermal performance over the initial ~10 months on mine, and considering it replaced a Corsair cooler that I opened up and found full of gunk I'm pretty satisfied they're not cheaping out any more than a more expensive brand. If I have problems with it at any point in the future I'll let you know!
I actually originally had the Thermal Notte for about two weeks, the in-line pump was annoyingly loud and wasn't PWM controlled so I swapped it for the Prism, which had already shifted price down to £59.90 from somewhere just above the Notte at £63.90. I definitely suggest people read the spec sheets on these coolers pretty closely, I had to dig fairly far down the Amazon page to make sure the Prism's pump was 4-pin PWM.
Useful info to know, thanks
thanks
this is what PC enthusiasts need - many product offerings and great prices.
competition
I have the Thermalright ARGB 240, and purchased it for ~$45 USD in January of this year. I have it cooling a 5700x3d inside of the Lian Li 011D mini. My CPU temps have never exceeded 55c! I don’t know what deal with the Devil these people have, but this cooler it has been nothing short of amazing.
I bought the same one last august (2023) for a 13700K runs like a champ. I only changed the fans to the because I wanted a ring light effect for the build.
What temperature @@waynemacleod3416
Honestly hope more people buy thermalright AIOs. With its price its clearly the best price - performance, its reliability is still questionable though since not a lot of people own it. Partly because Thermalright refuses to do any advertisement and just releases coolers seemingly at random.
@@waynemacleod3416 How many amps are you able to run into yours?
Maybe 55c with a light load, run Cinebench.
All AIOs used to be priced around high end air cooling when they launched. Once they became popular companies started price gouging. Most are still the same Asetek or coolit based unit they were when AIOs launched.
A teardown video of this cooler would be cool to watch!
I bought a thermalright phantom spirit cooler based on so many reviewers recommending them and definitely see why. They make some awesome coolers
Thermalright has the best bang for buck stuff. I CAN'T wait for you to get the chance to review those new heatsink they have coming.
Got mine a couple months ago for a little under 70USD including taxes.
I've loved its performance so far and I'm really happy to see it on an expert-level vid! I knew they had good AIO's but I didn't think it'd be similar to LF3 perf, wow!
Thanks for what you do - saludos desde Argentina!
I bought the "Frozen Magic 280 Scenic V2" for $43 and its great!
Is that an actual name?! Hahaha, wasn't aware of that one.
Haha yes it was on Amazon maybe like three weeks ago, it's currently unavailable, but I think it will come back because it was on their shelf when you covered the Thermalright booth at Computex!
@@bretthake7713 nice! i think i saw a 120 aio of their's for 37 or less.
absolutely insane pricing... wonder if we could get some numbers on the company's financials or if they're doing some shady stuff...
The black 360 is on Amazon for $54 right now.
I have two Frozen Notte 360's in my desktop and sim rig systems and both have been gucci like a pucci after thousands of hours of powered on time each. The pump being integrated into the tubing is inspired, both from a engineering and design and a patent dodging perspective.
i remember someone mentioning a long time that
"East" companies compete with each other by undercutting the other. While
"West" companies compete with each other by offering better specs than other for even ludicrous prices.
Interesting!
@@Darky4525 multinational companies just price and spec match and compete with marketing.
Well yeah, in "West" we have quality on our side and quality is priority. "West" products work. "East" doesnt have so much advanced development (or its simply not priority) and to be able to sell their products they must compete with pricing. Yeah in East Asia ppl dont earn 20€/hr as in "West" and if you multiply difference just between wages for all employees its a huge number every month. Ofc there are many exceptions on both sides.
If you would compare this cooler to NH-D15 G2, well then Noctua is looser. But if you would test it for 10-15years (which Noctua delivers - from my experiences) it would mean if Thermaltake's cooler break every 3-5years and you replace it with new one for same price. Then after 10-15years you would get to same price as brand new NH-D15 G2, performance is slightly better with Thermaltake's cooler, but noise level is uncomperable. So in long run if Thermaltake's cooler breaks 3x in life span of NH-D15 G2, then I would definitely prefers slightly higher temps + significant quiter solution, which doesnt require any maintenance (you have to blow dust away from every PC every once in a while).
But question is how long will this cooler work?
If you are changing PC every 2years then selling it and buying new one. Then this cooler might be perfect for you.
Well and with current geopolitics, I begun to prefer home - "West" products over "East" in everything. And I am not the only one who wont buy from "East" companies if there is equivalent of "West".
@@nonamenosurname8516 I read all that. Why bother with Noctua when there's Arctic LF 2 and ALF3.
I'm from India. Even if I wasn't I dont wanna pay 1000$ for motherboards and 100$ for Air coolers.
I've been using a 60 USD Thermalright 360 AIO for more than 6 months now. No complaints so far
I got 2 360mm Thermalright frozen notte in my 2 rigs and they work exceptionally well
Speaking of old Air Coolers, I still have my old 2008 build that I threw a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme on way way back then and, it still works flawlessly with that old Q9550 Overclocked 1Ghz from 2.84ghz to 3.84Ghz. Thermalright seems to have a solid grasp on their quality, lifespan, and value.
I love Thermalright. I bought a 20$ Assassin King 120 for my 5600X, then switched to a 7600 and now a 7800X3D. And it still does its job!! Amazing
It’s cools the 7800x3d well?
@@phantomz4882yes. It was already decently cool when it was stock but now that I have used PBO and undervolted it it’s even cooler
It's crazy how often you AMD guys change CPUs.
@@DingleBerryschnapps Amd cpus aren’t. Crazy expensive he probably upgraded to the 7600 after 3 years
@@DingleBerryschnapps i mean, maybe? at least we can change our CPU often if we want to without having to buy a whole new MB and rebuilding our system every time. Intel, for now, has an awful record for being anti consumer with all the LGA and shit changing very often. At least AMD decided to just keep AM4 and AM5 for a good 5 years+.
Been using the 240 frozen prism for about a year now. I got it as a cheap temporary solution but its been so good i see no reason to change it. I paired it with my 7900x and it keeps it at or under 55 under load. Beyond pleased with its performance
If you'd like to see how Mines held up after a year of intense daily use, I'd be happy to trade yours with mine and you can tear it open and see how it's done.
Im still rocking the Thermalright Macho rev.A with a TY-143 instead of the default fan and X-Silent 145 for my drive cage cooling. They're gonna be running for 11 years on 9th of July 2024, outliving the original FX-8350 build I bought them for for over one and half years and continuing working perfectly fine to date. Great quality!
been running the white variant since christmas. no complaints, the blue fittings is a cute touch too instead of boring black or silver
I think I would buy the non RGB version just to get rid of the cable mess.
Corsair H50, summer 2009, close to 100 euros back then in Europe :) One of the first mainstream AIOs :)
I got Thermalright's Tower cooler for my R7 on your Rec. Hands down best upgrade I could have done after my 280 from BQuiet died after a year. Its now my go To rec for customers on Mid Builds.
My first ever aftermarket heat sink was a thermalright xp120. I used it with a Pentium 4 in 2004. I’ve been buying them ever since. Amazing products
affordable 360mm AIOs is a good thing, many of us live in places where air coolers are simply not enough because it's so hot most of the time they just become inefficient and loud.
True but pump noise really matters. I am okay with my Asetek 8th gen pump that I can run at a low rpm when idle. I couldn't be comfortable with an aio that has the pump run at a fixed speed that is high rpm.
@@cemsengul16heat spread out over 360mm should result in lower fan rpm than an air cooler?
@@nickmhc Yes. That's precisely the idea of liquid coolers. To get the same cooling surface area on an air cooler you'd have to shape it in impractical/comical ways.
@@cemsengul16 I don't even know what pump noise is, I've never heard my AIO making any noise aside from the fans for as long as I've used it in the last 8-9 years or so.
last summer the UK was rife with peoples slightly older PCs crashing in the heatwave. THIS could be the answer. A cheap solution thats effective.
Yes yes yes yes I’ve consumed nothing but gamers nexus all day perfect addition to my day. Yes please
Bought a Thermalright Frozen Warframe 240 for 77 euros (80 bucks).
Very efficient, beautiful, cheap and comes with an LCD screen you can customize.
I run it on a relatively small CPU (5600X with an OC), but I'm impressed: 43-44 degrees on stress test or gaming, around 30 idle (room temp is 21).
This AIO would be enough to cool stronger CPUs, I wish you guys would test this 240 AIO one day.
Incredible value.
The fact that the included hardware is color coded for your manufacturer (red for AMD and blue for Intel) is brilliant. The last time I installed an AIO I stressed quite a bit about making sure I was selecting the correct included hardware.
Dude wtf I just removed the peerless assassin out of my cart for a phantom spirit 😂 "awe shit here we go again"
9:43 what ever happened to the fan testing rig that GN bought? i feel like it's been years since we've received an update
he cant use it till many other labs verify that his lab is upto their standards. Cybenetics is one of those labs, that do power supply rating.
After using the Peerless Assassin on a bunch of builds, i tried out the 240mm Frozen Notte and I love that one too, Thermalright is killing it
Their TL-B12 and TL-B14 fans are AMAZING for the money as well. I have two Phantom Spirit 120 and just ordered a Frozen Edge 240. Their stuff is just so good for the money. Oh, and a LGA1700 and AM5 hold down plates.
They're crazy good for the price, I had TR phantom spirit 120 for a while, it perform simlar to a deepcool 240mm AIO
Thermalright doing it right since day one, can't beat them at any price!
Thermalright out here showing the big boys that you CAN make a good cooler that doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg. Big Bro moves
Just wanted to say that your videos at 4K@60fps look absolutely stunning to watch on a 1440p 32" monitor at 12bit color depth. Can't even imagine how gorgeous they'd look on a 4K monitor. Crazy production quality!
Thank you!
Was still rocking my Liquid Freezer 2 from when you first recommended it. Got a new case and 240mm looked weird in a O11 Evo so i got an aircooler. Now you tell me i can get a 60€ 360mm AIO? Youre ruining me
You are saying that as if arctics liquid freezer III was unreasonably expensive... xD
You know Arctic freezer iii 360 is 68 eur right 😆 and you can get 420mm for 73eur
@@AtaGunZ Youre right. My dumbass was looking at the ii 360 lmao.
@@AtaGunZ 420mm is unnecessary to be fair
$60 for that much hardware is absolutely insane. I can assure you with 100% certainty they are in fact making nothing selling that and a decent chance they're losing money.
$60 for a high quality air cooler makes sense (fundamentally more simple product and all that). $60 for a full blown 360mm AIO that's not objectively terrible? No shot. A single return would wipe out all margin (if they had any) from 200+ sales.
If I recall GN, or maybe another tech-tuber said they were informed as such. Sell for little profit to gain market share...
In 3-5 years thermalright could be charging x4 the price because of recognition.
Honestly, when you think about it, an AIO is not more complex to engineer than an air cooler with vapor chambers. We're at a point where they're now fine tuning pipe curves and angles. Here, they probably just took a random pump, a bog standard radiator, and any roll of hose of the correct diameter and throw it all together without thinking about it. Like, technically you could pull out a car radiator and fan from a junkyard and make it work as your PC's liquid cooling system - I know it's been done by some mad lads several times.
The base principle of a liquid cooler is simple as hell. There is certainly room for optimisation, as shown by GN's results VS more expensive offers - you could use a thicker radiator with higher pressure fans, increase the finstack density, triple pass, even go for a crossflow design with coolant entry and exit hoses being fitted on opposite sides of the radiator... which would increase costs. But if the most basic radiator and pump are enough to get better results than the high end air coolers at a similar or lower price, why the hell not do it ?
@gt4lex Not talking engineering cost. Talking BOM costs + distribution costs. Engineering and or R&D for this product is probably at under 5% of the cost of this item given the amount they expect to make. Hell probably
Its not about being the best, its about being good enough. 60$ with those thermals and those dBAs. Who needs a cooler just to do its job and work as promised, its good enough.
Very good work from Thermalright. This is the Battletech Warhammer of 360 AIO coolers.
I've had the Frozen Notte 240mm on an OC'd 12600KF for exactly 1 year today, and I've had no issues with it so far, excellent thermals for the $48 I paid for it a year ago, and still working just as well as it did on the day I installed it. Even if it were to crap out today, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Thermalright AIO to replace it.
I'm gonna be honest, I rarely like to buy from brands that overwhelm the customers with a bunch of similar products.
It also gives me the impression that what they make is cheap and poorly designed, like they are just throwing shit in the market hoping something becomes popular.
Then you'd be falling into a price value fallacy. Where the same item, sold at a higher price has better perceived quality.
The data shows that atleast for their air coolers, they're top of the line.
While you can be correct, I don't think you are here. AIOs are drastically over priced atm especially if you throw in a cheap Ali express LCD on the pump == profit 😂. They are by no means cheap as in low quality, just less margin. The flooding the market technique is great for competition even if you don't want to by one.
@@Alsry1 What I said has nothing to do with price but with the amount of models offered.
@@mustangmanx What I said has nothing to do with price but with the amount of models offered.
Thermalright is probably the best cooling brand currently.
I've had one of these in a system with a 14700k and its been kicking ass for 6 months now. Can confirm they keep working well.
This is literally the only channel for which I have notifications turned on.
Price to performance vs D15 😂
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You should also do a review on the Phantom Spirit 120. It is the newer version of the Peerless Assassin and it is supposedly better at 2$ more. I have one in my recently build system and is performing excellently.
I like that there is value stuff on the market. It helps people get into the PC hobby.
I've had this cooler for nearly a year now and it's performed great. I bought it for about $54 last year and If I have to replace in the coming year with another, that's fine.
I have it on my 5900x and it keeps it quite cool. With my fan curve, I think rarely have it going above 80% fan speeds as it usually maxes out at ~70C. Gaming is my only CPU intensive task, which I always have my headset on, so even if it did turn into a wind tunnel, I still wouldn't hear it.
Easily recommended.
Watching this GN video makes me want to have GN stickers on the back of my laptop so it may be graced with Steve's majesty
I brought one of these in June 2023 for £63, I've been running it several hours a day nearly every day, I haven't noticed any changes in performance or noise levels. It's been a great cooler!
I bought Thermalright Frost Prism 140 V3 ARGB dual tower for 37$ dollars last winter. 1kg! of radiator, nice quiet fans and awesome looks. I couldn't be happier.
Im using a 240 aqua elite since christmas, no problems so far and the temperatures are quite stable since.
I just bought the 360 frozen notte for like $63.. super impressed with it so far. 5800x3d temps looking chilly
Was waiting for this one ! Thanks steve and the team for such a great review !
Imagine THIS being NOT the best thermalright's 360 aio under 100 bucks!
You should definitely try ones with tl-b12/tl-k12 fans, like notte and some of the visions as these fans are much better
Really love how you show the installation process too.
I have been running a 240 Frozen Prism in a build since October. It easily keeps a 7700X cool under any conditions that my son has tortured it with. I have it in a 011D Mini and used Thermalright fans only in the build, I tried to keep the fans similar. I have been really impressed with it. I found it really easy to install, even though I installed it upside down the first time. I have a Thermalright fan that scares me, but not one on the AIO, hoping that it is a one-off and not indicative of future issues or failures.
The sheer number of different SKUs that Thermalright offers is incomprehensible to me. I would absolutely LOVE to see a tour of their factory to get a glimpse of how they can produce and maintain so many product variations.
Wow, this is so awesome at that price. Finally some good news on how something is priced in the PC space. It's been 84 years....
What i love about these "obscure" brands is that they watch and listen to steve.
I bought 3 versions of these coolers all around $50, a year later still working strong.
Thermalright out here going wild and I love it
I got this cooler for my 13600kf in August last year and i absolutely love it!
I've been using one for a while in a build ,so far so good.
It would be really cool if the cooler charts were alligned so that all brands are directly below each other. That way it would be much easier to search for a particular cooler
I bought this for my ryzen 7 7800x3d & 4070 super ti build in February. It works like a charm. I'm happy to see I made a great choice before the price skyrockets because of this video, lol.
I ran a pc business in LA and their notte aio has been my go-to when it comes to building under $2000 PC, leaving a lot budget room for other components
i have a small business in France and does the same, ahah
I've had a 280mm Thermalright AIO for bout 2 years now. It's been awesome for the performance to price. I rarely ever hear it spin up on my 13700K unless i hit it with Cinebench, Shader compilation, or Handbrake. Mounting hardware was a bit unorthadox with a massive circular bracket, but for such a low price, hard to complain.
I feel like Thermalright has mastered the art of where and how to cheap out on their products. This is not to say that Thermalright's products are "cheap" in terms of quality, just that know exactly how to keep the cost down and still build a product that gets the job done.
Sound while important is not always as big a deal in the day and age of headset gaming. The fact it preforms this well at cheap prices makes it a great budget option.
Been using the Aqua Elite 360 V3 for 6 months now. Also put the same fans as the cooler in my system, 3 on the rad, 7 in the system since they were only about $4 each (TL-C12C-S). Been running perfect. On a 12700k with a slight overclock. Never once had it go over 68C and that is only on all-core synthetic benchmarks. Pump is set to 100%, fans set to a curve.
Really been happy with it. Got the same model in the 240 for my NAS/VM host machine a week later, it has been fine as well.
"overall impressed" a rare shining review from Steve
1:50 love the new "purchased by gamersnexus" notation, definitely clearer and more comprehensible than the older one (even though I still really love that you bother to flag this at all)
Purchased a bunch of their ~$25 air coolers and all have been really nice quality and performed well for the price. Install is super easy also.
Using a Thermalright Frozen Notte 240 mounted to cold a 12400 @5.2 during 10 to 16 hours each day. It's in charge of the cpu for now 15 months, and I can definitely tell there's absolutely no drop in its performance for now. Best regards from France.
Thanks for keeping up the useful analysis and reviews.
proud owner of a thermalright frozen warframe 360
My first thought was a concern about long-term durability and of course GN talks about that right off the bat. Keep up the great work.
The Thermalright Frozen Warframe is on the cheap side too but excellent cooling and comes with a removable LCD screen that can set up with a variety of designs and readings.