Thanks for posting this video. For anyone that has never used one of these, it's pretty informative. Just some further clarification on the balance types, since you didn't seem to fully know the differences. The images on the machine sort of give you a description of where the weights go. The top is Static/Dynamic, mostly for steel wheels only. It probably got you close enough with that wheel/tire combo to be acceptably smooth. The second is Motorcycle like you stated ALU 1 is for Aluminum wheels where there is room to place a stick on weight on both the inside and outside dish of the wheel (this is rare, most people wouldn't do this). ALU 2 is what you should have used for this wheel, as I'm assuming it's aluminum. It uses stick on weights on the inside dish of the wheel in two different locations. Closest to the edge facing the balancer and another closest to the spokes. ALU 3 is for aluminum wheels that use a pound on weight on the outer lip closest to the balancer and a stick on weight on the inside of the wheel close to the spokes.
@@MJAltairy You're welcome sir. Sincerely just trying to help. Thanks again for posting! I am looking at the same machines for my small shop, so I'm glad to see there are people out there using them successfully. Overall, how do you like the machines?
Wicked Grip Tuning they’re actually decent quality machines. I ended up selling the tire machine tho and getting the better model from them so that i could have the bigger turn table for larger wheels and tires
Thanks for the video, thinking of buying a set. Just one piece of advice for the viewers, when balancing and the machine keeps asking for more weight that usually means the original weight has to be moved slightly(an inch or so) toward the direction of the requested additional weight. 95% of the time only one weight is needed to balance/zero out. I understand this is hard to do with adhesive weights, much easier with clip ons. I worked at a dealership for 25 years so I learned a few tricks.
cory Polifka this is really good useful information, after doing several wheels, i know exactly what you are talking about! Can i copy and paste this into my description?
Great point Cory. What the video shows is a form of "counterbalancing" - Getting it right the first time is ideal, and if not you just need to add a little bit of weight to the unbalanced side of the existing weights to keep them all in one spot. I just got a balancer too and it's a learning experience!
Thanks for the tip Cory. Everything helps when it comes to working with these balancer. I own a set and I love them. They are tough and reliable. This is the best Iv ever seen from China. If only they would fix the manuals or the instructions I’m sure it would help a lot of folks out there. Thanks again 👍
Now going to a tire service shop I will have a lot of knowledge and understanding of what they talk about all thanks to you. Great video, thanks again.
Hey brother just a couple things... Static Balance is not the best method to fix a secondary harmonic vibration (vibration at high speed) It would be better to use weight on the inside rim lip and then go with the tape weights like you did in the video closest to the outside of the wheel. This would create more of a dynamic balance. On your machine use the ALU2 or ALU3 since these are for aluminum wheels. Second...when trying to diagnose a suspect wheel being out of balance, it would be best to put the wheel on the balancer before you remove the weights and see if it's in fact out of balance. If you remove the weights and just rebalance it you might not know for sure which wheel was the problem. Third...If you find yourself "chasing" weight over and over trying to balance a wheel, you might want to check the calibration of your balancer. Putting weights all over the wheel is not the right way to balance it
Can you tell me exactly the order of putting the wheel & cones on the balancer? I see there's a spring on the balancer (mine was missing, but I just ordered replacement on Amazon) I've watched lots of videos on this machine.. and yours is by far the best 👌 but I can't figure out how to get the wheel on there correctly. Mine wobbles and lays on the rod threads. I haven't even turned on the machine. Thanks so much!
So if you have the same model balancer as mine, you don’t need the spring as the surface at the end of the rod is already spring loaded (I also remember thinking I was missing a spring when I first got it). As for the order; i do wheel first (with back of wheel facing machine), a proper sized cone (smaller diameter of cone facing tire machine) that makes good contact with the inner bore of the wheel, then the locking mechanism which twists on holding to the threads of the rod that makes contact with only the outer diameter of that cone. As you tighten the locking mechanism, it pushes the cone snug through the center of the wheel and if the cone is too long, it makes contact with spring loaded backing plate so you should be good. After getting it snug, i like to grab the rod with one hand and try to tighten the locking mechanism by giving it a few pulls. Hope this helps!
Can you balance motorcycle wheels and tires on this thing, right out of the box? I was gonna buy one on eBay, but the seller told me I needed to spend another 200+ bucks on a special motorcycle attachment. My friend had a Coats, and I'm pretty sure he just had to use the appropriate cones...
Unless it's a wheel that bolts to a hub (e.g. single sided swingarm) you're going to need an adapter. The spindle for automotive wheels is too large to fit motorcycle wheels. Unless you're doing high volume, a simple and cheap balancing stand will do an equally good job for a lot less money.
Actually you line up the yellow dot with the valve stem. The red dot shows a high spot in the tire. Useful if you have a road force balancer or a low spot in your wheel you can line it up with.
@@nathan00campbell Red over Yellow If both red and yellow dots are visible on your tyre and you don’t have any dots or marks on your wheel, red takes precedence over yellow and you should align the red dot with the valve stem. Cancelling out the high point takes precedence over the lightest point of the tyre, which can be addressed with wheel weights.
I haven’t off a dually but i have balanced wheels off a HD trucks which require a large cone adapter. This is what you’ll need to make it work on this balancer: amzn.to/3zVtXbn
Hi, thank you for your video. I just got to myself the same machine and I have a question for you, does the adapters go all the way through the shaft of the wheel balancer machine? None of my adapters go all the way in, they stop until the threaded part of the shaft ends. PLEASE!! let me know if that is supposed to be like that? Thank you
J G the purpose of the cone shaped adapters is to center the wheels on the shaft. You can see what i mean at 6:05 in my video. the back of the wheel is touching the base of the shaft nearest to the balancer. That adapter with the blue levers on it help keep the cone snug inside the center of the wheel when you put it on. Hope this makes sense
Backyard Pit Stop thank you, yes makes sense what you say, in fact, that's what I just did yesterday, but once I finished, I remove the adapter with the blue levers without problem but the cone got stuck on the shaft and I couldn't remove the wheel neither, so that's why I was wondering if that's normal for the adapters not going all the way through of the shaft or maybe I got lucky with a defective unit
Backyard Pit Stop could you please make a test for me with your wheel balancer when you have a chance? Without any wheel on the shaft, could you please check if all three adapters go all the way in through the shaft? Thank you so much
You could get the correct weight at the first iteration. Just enter the diameter of the surface where you place the weight, not the rim size. 18 inch is the diameter of the rim - internal diameter of the tire. The diameter where you place the weight is less. The centrifugal force is proportional to diameter in ^2. It means that the correct diameter is very critical. If you reduce the diameter for 41% you would need to double the weight. I am considering to get the balancer for my garage. Does your balancer has an option to change rpm? I make carbon fiber rims and I want to spin them on a balancer for the finished surface grinding/sanding.
Bryan Bivens im really not sure to be honest. The machine is very generic and “standard.” If they make adapter for other machines, im pretty sure they make them for this machine. Now if you’re talking about the “oversized” cone to be able to balance larger wheels (like the ones off my Duramax 2500) then yes they do, i bought a cone online to be able to balance the wheels off my duramax and my my buddies cummins 3500 but neither of them were duallies.
I just got the same set. The instructions are horrible in the manual. What was the amp rating for your breaker in the garage plug you used? It's saying in the manual to use 30 amp but my outlets are connected to a 15 amp breaker. Help me bro!
Im currently out of town but i will check later today when i get to the shop. I think a 15amp breaker for each machine (plug in one at a time) should be fine tho, i’ll double check when i get there
I couldn't tell; is your machine bolted to the floor. I found that when balancing the heavier tires that is required in order to keep from chasing weights.
@@jackblack7081 if you plan on doing 35’s or larger tires fairly often, I highly recommend the Mayflowers machine that’s a step above this setup. Here’s a link to the machine I’m talking about. I have the tire machine and balancer linked in the description of this video as well: (I’m also mounting 35’s in the video) th-cam.com/video/Q-y7KMU4MKA/w-d-xo.html
@@MJAltairy Yes that’s the one I’m getting the 980 with the control arm and the wheel balancer combo I wanna be able to do anywhere from 12’s-37’s or even 40’s Would the 980 do 12’s and 37’s or even a 40’ tire?
@@jackblack7081 Ive only done only 1 set of 12in wide wheels and had no problems. I’ve also only done 1-2 sets of 37’s and had no issues mounting em. 35’s though, I’ve mounted so many, they’re a breeze on this machine! If you do plan on doing larger HD wheels, I suggest you also het the large diameter cone for the balancer (which i think i also have linked in the description).
Yup. It’s advertised as a 10in wide wheel but when I measured it with those calipers, it came out to 11. The extra 1in could possibly make for the lip on both sides of the wheel. I could be wrong tho
I've got one of these I use, kinda useless for anything with 8 lug wheels or a big center bore, they don't send anything to work with them. Still have to pay to get my 99 F350 tires and 17 RAM 2500 tires balanced.
You have to order that cone that’s compatible for those wheels. I ordered one off Amazon and it works perfect! I’ve done several HD 8lug wheels no problem including 20x12’s with 33’s mounted to them!
To deal with sticky stuff from stickers of any type of any type film on window or rims use wd40 abd you will be amazed at how it just melts the sticky stuff away
@@MJAltairy MJ not busting your balls Even the Bubble level harbor freight balancer works to a certain point I have experimented with most the Chinese ones do 50 tires barley than they don’t work at
@@karlross7027 no i hear ya. I’m not using this in a “professional” environment nor would I recommend it for a professional environment. But I’ve done anything from 35in tires to 305 drag radials with no issues so far. It’s not as great as those hunters and other top end brands but for me it gets the job done. I think one of the biggest problems also is that alot of people buy these and dont bolt them down to the ground which could easily throw em off calibration.
Thanks for posting this video. For anyone that has never used one of these, it's pretty informative. Just some further clarification on the balance types, since you didn't seem to fully know the differences. The images on the machine sort of give you a description of where the weights go.
The top is Static/Dynamic, mostly for steel wheels only. It probably got you close enough with that wheel/tire combo to be acceptably smooth.
The second is Motorcycle like you stated
ALU 1 is for Aluminum wheels where there is room to place a stick on weight on both the inside and outside dish of the wheel (this is rare, most people wouldn't do this).
ALU 2 is what you should have used for this wheel, as I'm assuming it's aluminum. It uses stick on weights on the inside dish of the wheel in two different locations. Closest to the edge facing the balancer and another closest to the spokes.
ALU 3 is for aluminum wheels that use a pound on weight on the outer lip closest to the balancer and a stick on weight on the inside of the wheel close to the spokes.
Wicked Grip Tuning this is some good info! Appreciate the clarification!
@@MJAltairy You're welcome sir. Sincerely just trying to help. Thanks again for posting! I am looking at the same machines for my small shop, so I'm glad to see there are people out there using them successfully. Overall, how do you like the machines?
Wicked Grip Tuning they’re actually decent quality machines. I ended up selling the tire machine tho and getting the better model from them so that i could have the bigger turn table for larger wheels and tires
Backyard PitStop Which model do you have now?
Wicked Grip Tuning the mayflower 980, ive got a quick vid of me putting it together here th-cam.com/video/ROQ90CXvNtI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the video, thinking of buying a set. Just one piece of advice for the viewers, when balancing and the machine keeps asking for more weight that usually means the original weight has to be moved slightly(an inch or so) toward the direction of the requested additional weight. 95% of the time only one weight is needed to balance/zero out. I understand this is hard to do with adhesive weights, much easier with clip ons. I worked at a dealership for 25 years so I learned a few tricks.
cory Polifka this is really good useful information, after doing several wheels, i know exactly what you are talking about! Can i copy and paste this into my description?
@@MJAltairy You sure can, glad to help
Great point Cory. What the video shows is a form of "counterbalancing" - Getting it right the first time is ideal, and if not you just need to add a little bit of weight to the unbalanced side of the existing weights to keep them all in one spot. I just got a balancer too and it's a learning experience!
Thanks for the tip Cory. Everything helps when it comes to working with these balancer. I own a set and I love them. They are tough and reliable. This is the best Iv ever seen from China. If only they would fix the manuals or the instructions I’m sure it would help a lot of folks out there. Thanks again 👍
duct tape the weight strip in requested area until wheel is fully balanced then apply them
Finally someone who can demonstrate it properly
SalSabotages thank you! Will be uploading a video on the tire machine soon as well!
Now going to a tire service shop I will have a lot of knowledge and understanding of what they talk about all thanks to you.
Great video, thanks again.
Eddie T that’s awesome! Im glad i can help!
Hey brother just a couple things...
Static Balance is not the best method to fix a secondary harmonic vibration (vibration at high speed) It would be better to use weight on the inside rim lip and then go with the tape weights like you did in the video closest to the outside of the wheel. This would create more of a dynamic balance. On your machine use the ALU2 or ALU3 since these are for aluminum wheels.
Second...when trying to diagnose a suspect wheel being out of balance, it would be best to put the wheel on the balancer before you remove the weights and see if it's in fact out of balance. If you remove the weights and just rebalance it you might not know for sure which wheel was the problem.
Third...If you find yourself "chasing" weight over and over trying to balance a wheel, you might want to check the calibration of your balancer. Putting weights all over the wheel is not the right way to balance it
Appreciate the info! I will have to try this on my next set of tires for these wheels here pretty soon!
Chasing weights like a champion :D
great video , i just got my set of mayflower last week i cant wait to tested .
I'm waiting on mine to be drop off now. Good luck bro
@@10percent48 thanks and same to you brother!!
Thank you for the Video. Its helped me out alot. Thanks
非常感谢你的讲解！简单又直接
My goodness. I’ve got the same balancer, tire machine, husky toolbox, and looks like the same lift as well. Lol, I got the same mess too.
White Knuckle Garage lol that’s awesome! Got sick of throwing money at these overpriced mechanics and decided to invest in my own setup!
I got the same set and the same mess 😂👍 sometimes it’s hard to keep things organized 👍👍
To double check after balancing loosen wheel rotate 90deg then check balance. Should end up at zeros again
Will have to try this out next time i use it thank you!
Can you tell me exactly the order of putting the wheel & cones on the balancer? I see there's a spring on the balancer (mine was missing, but I just ordered replacement on Amazon) I've watched lots of videos on this machine.. and yours is by far the best 👌 but I can't figure out how to get the wheel on there correctly. Mine wobbles and lays on the rod threads. I haven't even turned on the machine. Thanks so much!
So if you have the same model balancer as mine, you don’t need the spring as the surface at the end of the rod is already spring loaded (I also remember thinking I was missing a spring when I first got it). As for the order; i do wheel first (with back of wheel facing machine), a proper sized cone (smaller diameter of cone facing tire machine) that makes good contact with the inner bore of the wheel, then the locking mechanism which twists on holding to the threads of the rod that makes contact with only the outer diameter of that cone. As you tighten the locking mechanism, it pushes the cone snug through the center of the wheel and if the cone is too long, it makes contact with spring loaded backing plate so you should be good. After getting it snug, i like to grab the rod with one hand and try to tighten the locking mechanism by giving it a few pulls. Hope this helps!
I wonder if this set up will work on standard Harley Davidson motorcycle tires
All you would need is the adapter to use on motorcycle wheels. They sell that separately.
I've always wondered if the Mayflower balancer can balance a 37 inch tire on a 20 inch wheel without the steering wheel shaking?
Did the cones it come with work with 8 lug wheels
No it didn’t. I had to order this cone for the large 8 lug wheels:
amzn.to/3qt1skr
Can you balance motorcycle wheels and tires on this thing, right out of the box? I was gonna buy one on eBay, but the seller told me I needed to spend another 200+ bucks on a special motorcycle attachment. My friend had a Coats, and I'm pretty sure he just had to use the appropriate cones...
I honestly don’t know. I’ve never attempted to balance one before to be honest with you but i’m sure it can do it.
Unless it's a wheel that bolts to a hub (e.g. single sided swingarm) you're going to need an adapter. The spindle for automotive wheels is too large to fit motorcycle wheels. Unless you're doing high volume, a simple and cheap balancing stand will do an equally good job for a lot less money.
Line up red dot with stem. If no red dot THEN line up yellow. If no yellow or red then it’s a free-for-all.
Actually you line up the yellow dot with the valve stem. The red dot shows a high spot in the tire. Useful if you have a road force balancer or a low spot in your wheel you can line it up with.
@@nathan00campbell Red over Yellow
If both red and yellow dots are visible on your tyre and you don’t have any dots or marks on your wheel, red takes precedence over yellow and you should align the red dot with the valve stem. Cancelling out the high point takes precedence over the lightest point of the tyre, which can be addressed with wheel weights.
Have you balanced a wheel off of a dually pickup?
I haven’t off a dually but i have balanced wheels off a HD trucks which require a large cone adapter. This is what you’ll need to make it work on this balancer:
amzn.to/3zVtXbn
Hi, thank you for your video. I just got to myself the same machine and I have a question for you, does the adapters go all the way through the shaft of the wheel balancer machine? None of my adapters go all the way in, they stop until the threaded part of the shaft ends. PLEASE!! let me know if that is supposed to be like that? Thank you
J G the purpose of the cone shaped adapters is to center the wheels on the shaft. You can see what i mean at 6:05 in my video. the back of the wheel is touching the base of the shaft nearest to the balancer. That adapter with the blue levers on it help keep the cone snug inside the center of the wheel when you put it on. Hope this makes sense
Backyard Pit Stop thank you, yes makes sense what you say, in fact, that's what I just did yesterday, but once I finished, I remove the adapter with the blue levers without problem but the cone got stuck on the shaft and I couldn't remove the wheel neither, so that's why I was wondering if that's normal for the adapters not going all the way through of the shaft or maybe I got lucky with a defective unit
Backyard Pit Stop could you please make a test for me with your wheel balancer when you have a chance? Without any wheel on the shaft, could you please check if all three adapters go all the way in through the shaft? Thank you so much
J
You could get the correct weight at the first iteration. Just enter the diameter of the surface where you place the weight, not the rim size. 18 inch is the diameter of the rim - internal diameter of the tire. The diameter where you place the weight is less. The centrifugal force is proportional to diameter in ^2. It means that the correct diameter is very critical. If you reduce the diameter for 41% you would need to double the weight. I am considering to get the balancer for my garage. Does your balancer has an option to change rpm? I make carbon fiber rims and I want to spin them on a balancer for the finished surface grinding/sanding.
sorry for the late reply but no I don't think you can control the RPM speed on these machines.
Yellow dot should line up to valve stem that’s the lightest part of the tire
whoops i mightve gotten the two mixed up. Thank you for clarifying
Each color dot means something different. Basically universal but sometimes differs by company.
Is there another adapter to buy to be able to balance dually rims? Can the machine account for those?
Bryan Bivens im really not sure to be honest. The machine is very generic and “standard.” If they make adapter for other machines, im pretty sure they make them for this machine.
Now if you’re talking about the “oversized” cone to be able to balance larger wheels (like the ones off my Duramax 2500) then yes they do, i bought a cone online to be able to balance the wheels off my duramax and my my buddies cummins 3500 but neither of them were duallies.
NO!
I just got the same set. The instructions are horrible in the manual. What was the amp rating for your breaker in the garage plug you used? It's saying in the manual to use 30 amp but my outlets are connected to a 15 amp breaker. Help me bro!
Im currently out of town but i will check later today when i get to the shop. I think a 15amp breaker for each machine (plug in one at a time) should be fine tho, i’ll double check when i get there
If it's a regular 120v plug it's not gonna be over 20a
I couldn't tell; is your machine bolted to the floor. I found that when balancing the heavier tires that is required in order to keep from chasing weights.
Yup, thats the first thing you want to do! You could possibly throw off calibration on these machines if it’s not bolted down.
What is the maximum size tire for that machine can do
Honestly i would run glass beads on a gnarly mud tire. I think you'll be happier.
Quick question, can you change 35’ tires with that machine?
I do all the time!
@@MJAltairy what do you think is the max size tire I can put on there?
I’m about to order two sets of this machine and the balancer’s
@@jackblack7081 if you plan on doing 35’s or larger tires fairly often, I highly recommend the Mayflowers machine that’s a step above this setup.
Here’s a link to the machine I’m talking about. I have the tire machine and balancer linked in the description of this video as well: (I’m also mounting 35’s in the video)
th-cam.com/video/Q-y7KMU4MKA/w-d-xo.html
@@MJAltairy Yes that’s the one I’m getting the 980 with the control arm and the wheel balancer combo
I wanna be able to do anywhere from 12’s-37’s or even 40’s
Would the 980 do 12’s and 37’s or even a 40’ tire?
@@jackblack7081 Ive only done only 1 set of 12in wide wheels and had no problems. I’ve also only done 1-2 sets of 37’s and had no issues mounting em. 35’s though, I’ve mounted so many, they’re a breeze on this machine!
If you do plan on doing larger HD wheels, I suggest you also het the large diameter cone for the balancer (which i think i also have linked in the description).
When you balance 8 lug tires do you use the backing plate or just the cone
Not sure what you mean by the backing plate but it works great with the larger cone that I have listed in the description.
Very nice!
Did you grounded how it says we have to or just plugged it in?
I dont think I remember reading anything about grounding it. Perhaps it meant to ground it as in bolt it to the ground
@@MJAltairy left side bottom on the back has a ground screw and even a ground decal
@@fernandobruno772 i gotta check that out. Thank you for the heads up
Hey um im going to order the combo off of the there website , is it safe?
You mentioned the rim width is 10 inch but put 11 on the machine?
Yup. It’s advertised as a 10in wide wheel but when I measured it with those calipers, it came out to 11. The extra 1in could possibly make for the lip on both sides of the wheel. I could be wrong tho
@@MJAltairy I see, thank you for clarifying.
How do u like that tire balancer ?
Misael Olvera oh we absolutely love it for what we do. Balanced those wheels in the video perfectly!
What brand is the two post lift
Donovan baker it’s an Aresco 2 post lift. I believe it’s this one:
www.aresco.org/Tuxedo_tp9kacx_sx_fx_2_post_lifts.html
I've got one of these I use, kinda useless for anything with 8 lug wheels or a big center bore, they don't send anything to work with them. Still have to pay to get my 99 F350 tires and 17 RAM 2500 tires balanced.
You have to order that cone that’s compatible for those wheels. I ordered one off Amazon and it works perfect! I’ve done several HD 8lug wheels no problem including 20x12’s with 33’s mounted to them!
@@MJAltairy Makes sense, I know for sure it wasn't included out the box. You have a link for it?
To deal with sticky stuff from stickers of any type of any type film on window or rims use wd40 abd you will be amazed at how it just melts the sticky stuff away
Those tires never usually balance out perfect
Did he say glass cleaner😂 wait that's not funny I use that when painting graphics on car to clean before clear
😂 worked great tho!! 😂
eBay doesn’t make tires, too many people using eBay as a scapegoat!
th-cam.com/users/shortsTzhGR_IlmXM?si=l-lU2-YxM6nU4fd_
Complete garbage Buy a hunter road force and toss that thing in the dumpster
Been using this over a year so far with no problems. Not a bad unit for a home garage.
@@MJAltairy MJ not busting your balls Even the Bubble level harbor freight balancer works to a certain point I have experimented with most the Chinese ones do 50 tires barley than they don’t work at
@@karlross7027 no i hear ya. I’m not using this in a “professional” environment nor would I recommend it for a professional environment. But I’ve done anything from 35in tires to 305 drag radials with no issues so far. It’s not as great as those hunters and other top end brands but for me it gets the job done. I think one of the biggest problems also is that alot of people buy these and dont bolt them down to the ground which could easily throw em off calibration.