In Poland firearms are hard to get. Poachers sometimes modify airguns to shoot .22 long rifle or something like this. When police busts someone with such rifle or some rusty WWII relics, they claim that they "uncovered an illegal arsenal of firearms".
@@MrSniperdude01 I meant for the barrel load. For a cylinder you can use penetrators or round tip diablos. The h&n Hornet will also devastate small game. Honestly though you shouldn't have an problems using normal crossman hollow points. They're round tipped and with peel a raccoons lid back. Both the red fires and the crossman hollows are my go to hunting pellets and I only hunt small game with a .177 pump.
@@MrSniperdude01 I've killed a lot of small game with these, I hit a rabbit at about 600fps with a .177 redfire in the head straight on and found the pellet in its rib cage. You can drop a bird easy with the walmart stuff and an accurate rifle.
@@MrSniperdude01 Your problem could be that you're using a .22 I've found spring/piston .22 rifles to be a little inaccurate. A normal pcp pump .177 is my usual go to for hunting, virtually no recoil, they don't chew up scopes, and the .177 flies faster. I've found .177s to expand better most of the time.
I found this to be extremely interesting. I'm a 22 LR guy, and I doubt seriously that I would use the .22 pellets with the 'tool rounds', but, all I can say is WOW. I was impressed with the watermelon shot. It would be a good squirrel round.
Back in the 1960s you could buy a .22 smoothbore rifle which fired what was called 'dust shot' for use in orchards apparently, didn't take long for us to buy blanks along with a .22 pellet and see what happens. Quite a powerful result.
I notice your post name is aberbeeg, in Sis Balls we did the same in the 1960s same rifle, I thought we used ordinary blanks which as you said produced powerful results. Naughty boys back then!
David Henderson just wondering about the fit of the pellet in the cylinder, if it wasn't tight enough the pellet could shear off going into the barrel. Due to the pellet not flying straight
@@ViktoriousDead Well if that was the case it would also happen when being used in the 22 rifle. Like I said the gap would have to be huge for any problem I am thinking. A little checking on line shows the gap to be from .005 to .008. Anything more than that the weapon is not safe to fire.
David Henderson I don't understand how that could be the case in the rifle seeing as they muzzleloaded it? You were referring to loading the cylinder with the blank cartridge and pellets right? That's where I was thinking their could be a problem seeing as the .22 pellet doesn't have the same dimensions as a .22 LR or other .22 caliber.
1600 in 22 over 2000 in 177 😀 depending on the blanks .. black powder blanks arent as affective as smokeless nitro blanks . its the speed of gas expansion , black powder is a lot slower burning so expands slower ...the pellet has left the barrel before full expansion of the gasses
@@tomhughes5123 u are backwards on that. Black powder is faster burning than smokeless. And those pellets are no where near 2500 fps. In .22lr cci hv is 1400fps.
@@pranc236 it depends on the shape and size, but generally smokeless powder burns faster than black powder. There's a reason we could not get 556 level velocities out of black powder
Even though the pellet is a bit undersized compared to the bullet, the pellet skirts are very thin and the gas will push them into the rifling groves to engage the rifling well. There are .38 special wadcutter bullets that have a hollow cavity at the real used in bullyeye competition that are designed this way.
Cool. Don't go by the color to differentiate between power levels though unless you always stay with the same brand. What I found in the past is that each company used their own color codes. I never thought of it before but these blanks must be contributing to .22 ammo shortages.
Carlos Rodriguez A real .22. No nail. Someone told me that the nailgun chamber won't house a .22 lr but I wonder if the nail gun barrel can be used somehow
I've done similar experiments with with only the priming mixture and no powder charge in the .22, firing them into modeling clay. The velocity is low enough that the pellets don't self destruct and you can recover them intact. What I found is that the sudden rise in pressure after the primer ignites actually forces the pellet skirt up to the head so you land up with a pellet that looks like a parallel sided shot glass.
Use a small ramrod or "pusher" to push the .22 soft lead pellet a little way up into the rifled barrel. This does 2 things... it engages the pellet skirt in the rifling.. and there is a volume of air behind the pellet so the hot violent gases from the burning powder can cushion a little before full force is exerted on the pellet... It may also reduce the "boiling" of lead from those gases hitting the base and reduce the amount of lead sprayed into the bore from this melting effect.... (which is why larger calibre soft lead projectiles have copper base caps (gas checks) that crimp onto the base of those projectiles protecting the soft lead...
you know those air rifle pellets have a cone on the back of them like the conical bullets in the civil war. when the powder goes off it expanse the cone into the rifling's which will make them accurate. its not going to hurt the gun. good survival ammo.
The civil war conicals were a combination of bullet weight, shape, powder type, and burn rate all working in harmony. The fast powder in the hilti shells overpowers the ultra light weight pellets and does affect accuracy. Not only that but pellet speed can actually drop off with the more powerful yellow blanks! This was proven by +RyeOnHam when he did some chronograph tests. Better to use the lightest blanks color coded brown.
Will Yam smokeless powder burns slower than black power that is a fact. slower burning powders burn all the way down the barrel and makes for higher velocity. that why that pellet is being destroyed. the pellet is just like the conical bullet of the civil war the cone will expand and engage the rifling it just needs a smaller powder charge.
mad max the idea is to get close to the same burn time as it takes to get the projectile out the barrel, somebody correct me if I'm wrong but that is the direct difference between big bore and small bore powders is burn time but compound is irrelevant. black powder is granulated after the ball mill processes to controll burn time.
You're correct about the burn rates of different powders, but what is the chamber pressure? Excess chamber pressure can damage the firearm and injure the shooter. The load data found in reloading manuals will always tell you the chamber pressure for a particular load based on the type and amount of powder and type of bullet and weight. This seems like guess work since you don't know the powder charge in a Hilti .22 shell and there isn't much info on .22 rim fire rounds since they can't be hand loaded. It seems to me if its outperforming factory ammo, it must have a much higher chamber pressure and may be approaching the danger zone.
they're called power loads for a reason, they release more energy than a firearm round because they're designed to drive metal into concrete as opposed to soft flesh, but because there's more energy released than your weapon is designed to handle, you run an extreme risk of destroying the weapon and the hand holding it
@@wulfarrow2849 Well Yes and No, I have tested some hot loads in .22LR's the semi-auto has a thinner barrel, BUT also has a place for the gases to escape....On a bolt gun it has NOWHERE to go!
We were doing this decades ago (70's) when I was a teen and early 20's. We used my old Marlin bolt action and a friends old Remington 511 bolt gun, for the bolt actions work so much easier. Just open the bolt, insert the pellet and load the blank behind the pellet. Back then, I had several tins of the very small starter pistol blanks, and even those gave enough speed and accuracy to kill birds, squirrels and close range rabbits. The nail gun blanks would give a whole new level of speed and power, and as you learned, the power of those blanks could deliver near 22 mag speed and power.
John Willis 10 days ago (edited) I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
I did this same experiment 3 years ago, Shot a 1.5" diameter aspen tree at 15 yards and blew it down... good news... Now for the bad news.. the pellets are traveling so fast down the barrel they solder the rifling leaving lead deposits in the rifling. Each time you shoot more of the rifling get soldered off into the rifling, causing super increased pressure, Eventually to the point where your gun barrel will explode, not a very smart idea.... If you had a solid copper pellet.... not a copper coated one... you wouldn't get the soldering effect of the lead pellet on the rifling inside your barrel. Never took it to that step... for I destroyed my 22 repeater from over pressure, it permanently knocked out my bullet head space and ruined my gun completely. When I looked at the rifling in the barrel... there was no twist to be seen, it was completely soldered out from the lead pellets.. Do not do this with lead pellets you could seriously hurt or kill someone or your self !!!!
Been doing this since 2013! 410 to 22 adapters for my Judge. Bit of candle wax holds the pellets to the nail gun blanks (I use browns tho) Accuracy satisfactory even with smooth bore adapters. After all ITS -NOT- A TARGET PISTOL!!!! LOL Good enuf and cheap enuf for shooting rats in the corn crib. It sure beats trying to wield a long barrel in tighter spaces and it doesn't blow holes in the siding as a 'legitimate' 22 would do. Works at greater distance than the birdshot rounds! Gotta make sure you killem tho, wounded rats can be dangerous!! ROFL
Interesting set-up. Seeing this reminds me of what my kid brother and his buddy did when they were in grade school. Our dad was a carpenter and had a box full of these blanks in the garage. My brother and his pal snuck some of the blanks out into the field, put one in a vise and hit it with a hammer! The blank shell took off and went through the pal's upper arm, missing the bone. He calmly walked back to my parents' house and told my dad, "excuse me sir, I shot myself." My dad was shocked and then angry after he took the kid to the hospital. We kids had all been told for years to never touch those blanks. That kid was lucky it didn't go into his face.
Did the same on a job site, hit one with a piece of rebarb a piece whent through my finger and another into my thumb and another stuck in my forehead! I was bleeding all over, never tried it again! I believe the crimped edges of the blank is what came off!
Two friends and I found a 22 round and, of course, decided to put it on a curb and pound it with a brick. It went off and shot my friend in the foot and he took off like Usain Bolt! It took us 5 min to catch him! mom took us to the hospital. He was ok but the rest of had the belt to deal with when We got home! That was 50 years ago and I remember like yesterday.
I knew a guy with a glass eye, he said he would put the shell at the end of a bb gun and shoot it up. But he didnt do it anymore when a peice came back and damaged his eye, and curved around the skull bone inbetween the brain.
I've used the yellow loads, to nail 2×6's to 3/16" steel beams with PL400 adhesive for extra measure and cushioning. You have to use special high carbon steel nails, that fit the Hilti gun as well.
@@gonzogriff Here in Ireland it used to be yellow>red>black with black being most powerful, that was 40 -50 years ago though , so I don't know if its the same here nowadays...🤔
This is really cool, I have never seen anyone try this before, and it obviously works great. You are achieving extremely high velocities with those lightweight pellets. Very cool! Some guys with break-barrel, spring piston pellet rifles are adding a drop of oil in the pellet skirt, then firing it from the air rifle.. The air compression ignites the oil, creating a high velocity shot. It's pretty cool also, if you like messing around with air rifles you might give it a try. They call it dieseling.
+Trevor Jameson Dieseling is really bad for the gun though. If you really want hyper velocity pellets, just make your own rifle that will do so. Barrels can actually be made from paper. Yes, that's right, paper. You have to make the barrel pretty thick though, and watch the pressures.
I dieseled hundreds of pellets from my old Gamo (back in the 1970s). It would be interesting to experiment with different fuels. I had sewing machine oil so I used that. No malfunctions but anti-fun parents confiscated it.
I've done it, but the results are not very consistent, unless you have a way to ensure that you use the exact same amount of oil each time. And it's murder on barrel seals, they don't last long. I've got another stupid idea, boring out the back end of a .177 air rifle barrel so that a cartridge will fit in it, modifying the compressor so it punches the primer (instead of trying to blow air through it), loading the modified bb gun with slugs and giving that a go. Those slugs ought to go like the clappers.
***** Perhaps a twin magazine system would provide the necessary result? A shell up back & the projectile up front? I would a love it if a gunsmith tried this idea out!
you have a great channel. it's always cool to watch what you come up with. i think the pellet videos are awesome. I'm thinking of trying it with my 10/22. the people that are negative can go and make their own channel. nobody made them watch yours. keep up the good work. thanks for sharing this with us.
I remember being a poor southern boy in Texas. Me and my buddies didn't have the cash to buy rifles so we took piece's of pipe with a diameter big enough to fit a 22 round and a end cap with a small whole drill off center. We had his dad who was a shade tree mechanic weld a nut to the end of the cap so it would act as a guide for a carpenter nail then another small piece of pipe with one side cut so it would hold the nail with a small spring on the back. To load we simply unscrewed the end cap and placed the 22 round into one end and put the cap back on. To fire we had a small piece of wood blocking the nail from striking the round. We simply lined up a target and pulled the wood out and bang! Dead squirrel for Dinner! Yeah it was inaccurate over a few yards but for squirrel's, rabbits and other small creatures at close range it worked! So glad we never used nail gun blanks and pellets that extra hot charge would have blown up our DIY rifles! Great time's Great vid!
I tried doing this about a year ago with my cheap bolt action .22 rifle. But I loaded the pellet into the breach and then put the blank behind it. It hit the target fine but left behind a ring of lead that prevented me from shooting again until I removed the lead with a sturdy wire bore cleaner. So in short I only got one round to fire off. I might try it again in the future.
Using blanks to fire projectile, does sometimes make the shot more powerful than the regular cartridge. Thats because the blanks have more powder so they have enough power to drive a nail in to concrete.
Has someone chronographed this?! This is basically a hot load. But hornady doesn't give a listing for powder grain weight for .22 because you can't reload rim fire. I wonder how fast it'll wear out internals. Southern ingenuity at it's finest!
Jeff, I'd love to see you guys mess around with powder-propelled pellets some more. Could you make up rounds that would feed? Maybe based on .22lr cases?
Hmmm, need to check those out on various armor. Those are very clean holes through that locker and those little boogers are moving pretty damn fast. They also have the pointed target pellets that would be interesting to see. Neat stuff guys!
One way to prove that the pellets were flying with higher velocity and energy than the bullet was to look at the locker. The pellet literally looked like it drilled a hole in the metal, didn't even chip the paint. The bullet dragged a lot of metal in with the hole. Higher velocity shatters its way through, lower velocity punches its way through.
That's 7 cents a round for something that loads slow and works better for varmints. I wouldn't hunt with it because the pellet would end up contaminating meat when it disintegrates. This would be great for that rifle with feeding issues, but shoots straight.
briansmobile1 I don't think it would do squat to the meat. It punched a clean round hole through steel plate. I don't think a rabbit would fair as well.
I had good results by soldering the skirt full with a fine-tip soldering iron. It adds extra weight and keeps the skirt from separating. I have even gone as far as soldering a 177 bb into to pellet skirt and used JB weld to secure it to a ram set cartridge.
I think the ideal gun for this would be a double action .22lr revolver. With the swing out cylinder it would be very easy to place the pellet directly into the rifling, put your blank in the cylinder, close it and fire. Hell if you wanted too you could put nail gun blanks onto a speed loader/ moon clip so you could have 10 rounds of plinking at a time and actually be able to do it fairly quickly if your range rents by the half hour. Pretty economical way to shoot if you just love plinking.
In Mexico used this system in national rifles= Mendoza or Cabañas, but in .177 cal Mendoza in the model M-990, Cabañas in the model: Leyre(cabañas is discontinued and is very hard to find these rifles in some places of Mexico)
I did this back in the 80s using a hi-standard .22 revolver. We loaded the cylinder with pellets first and then seated the blanks behind them; that way there was no muzzle-loading required. They were awesome on squirrels and rabbit.
i would think so given the gas skirt on a pellet , probably best to rear load though , you would just have to look at your overall length for the 2 and make sure that clears the cylinder
Take a small punch and crimp the skirt of the pellet out slightly; when you push it into the chamber, it will stick in there, kind of like it would in an air rifle.
Not trying to be smug , but I knew chippies that buggered around with these loads in the 70's. Never gets old though. Great research as usual.😂😎🇦🇺👌 as a kid we would tape them to cross bow bolts with a little peice of plastic tubing.
JVONROCK Actually them squashing is likely why they made such a clean entry, all the kinetic energy was spread evenly due to it being a soft but heavy metal.
I've used 22 pellets in a once fired 22-250 brass case powered only by a large magnum rifle primer for years as a close range pest round. Simply push the pellet down the case neck flush and load the primer using a simple hand priming tool. I've not chronoed the load but seems to be similar to a 22 RF short. Great way to use your coyote rifle for a quiet close range pest control rifle. Very accurate.
I finally got to test this myself, after I purchased a Chiappa little badger. I only tried the greens. Some shot fine, others the pellet would break apart in the barrel and the top would shoot out, but the skirt would stay in the barrel. First one that broke apart, I only found out after the next blank wouldn't seat fully. So I removed the blank and pellet, looked down the barrel and could see daylight, but upon looking more closely, realized there was something still in the barrel. I had to use a cleaning rod to drive out the remaining skirt of the last pellet. I'll try it again sometime using Browns, but it most likely requires a heaver pellet, maybe one that doesn't have that 'hourglass' shape would be necessary for this to work reliably. This idea is a moot point at this time anyway, as nail gun blanks are currently .10 a round in the Chicagoland area, and .22 LR's are back in stock everywhere and as cheap as .06 a round. Something I would like to try though, will be to seat a FMJ center fire .22 bullet into the chamber and use a nail gun blank as the power. But I won't use the Chiappa for that. Most likely it'll be a 12ga to .22 adaptor.
Make a small dowel and push the pellet far enough out of the forcing cone and into the barrel so that the pellet is actually engaged with the rifling..... This achieves 2 things... the skirt is already engaged with the rifling when the hot gases push it outwards to seal the skirt to take advantage of all the gases to propel the pellet up the barrel; and there is a volume created behind the pellet which allows expansion of the gases without as much heat frying the lead and blowing molten lead all over the inside of the bore....
could it be the powder?. try shooting a normal .22 round with the superX's. And then use a .22 blank with the pellets. I think the powder is just strong.
Ive got the same pellets in solid dome, the cupped back actually bends quite easy, so i'd imagine upon firing, that cup expands out into the rifling making a hell of a tight seal. Normal .22 rounds have a band used to engage the rifling. Would be cool to capture in a ballistics gel block to see what happens to the round.
these charges do contain some very fast burning powder, the high pressures could take a toll on the action of a rifle over a long time, especially if you try and drive a heavy projectile!
Honestly. It's been done for years. I'm 32 and I figured this out when I was 12. Try putting a small drop of super glue on the pellet and put it on the tip of the cartridge. It's alot faster and easier and better consistent results. Further more... use a bolt action. Oh ya you were off on your fps estimate. We've clocked them at 2650 to 2700 when you try that method.
Speed kills. What if you lightly epoxy the pellets to the blanks? Worth a shot. You have finally answered the question everyone thinks when they see or use these for work. Thanks for sharing.
***** .17 HMR and .204 Ruger. The first is a necked down 22 magnum. and the .204 is a necked down .223 I'm pretty sure. Both shooting smaller bullets from a larger parent case; making their velocities better and flatter trajectories for the most part.
Finally, a channel (RyeOnHam) took me up on the offer of CHRONOGRAPHING the pellet velocities! BE SURE to check out this excellent video! VR Shooting 22 PELLETS Using NAIL GUN Blanks
I tried this in a single shot .22lr and the case blew back so far into the firing pin hole it destroyed not only the firing pin, but the spring as well. Needless to say, the blank's case was toast!
James Garvey solid tungsten penetrator is my wet dream... wait.. that sounded so gay xd now srsly, since tungsten is tougher than steel its a bitch to machine out. i doubt it is even possible, but you could coat anything metal in tungsten in home conditions by galvanisation. now that's homegrown ammo, literally heheh
I'm in construction and I've used hundreds of those yellow shots to nail wood to concrete. The box describes them as "Low Velocity", so I was quite surprised at how much they compared to a similar "real" bullet.
imagine using the red caps, yellow and green are the weak ones. i own a ramset, and the red ones are most often too much. i only use the red when attaching wood to structural steel. they need to try the red ones!
A Caution to consider with pellets is that the collar of the pellet can shear off the head and be left in the barrel. This was found with #2's pushing the pellet through a rifle barrel.
I have a Stevens single shot 25 rimfire. Ammo hasn’t been made in quantity in many decades. Most of the ammo you can find runs over $1/round and 60+ years old with a lot of duds. I bough some 27 caliber Ramset blanks, which fit nicely in the 25rf chamber and use 25 cal aigun pellets. Seems to work well. I use the lower powered 27 cal blanks. I definitely don’t advise anyone to do this.
a few freinds of mine made pipe guns that do this. you can also use these (along with some very good steel tube for your bolts) in modified pneumatic crossbows.
Yes... perhaps starting with a .22 center-fire barrel, or a .22 insert in a break-barrel shotgun, to have sufficient steel around the chamber to withstand the pressures generated.... I agree that using a standard .22 rim-fire could be problems, which is why I suggest the most conservative approach...
I have a falling block single shot .22 that could be used this way. Be interesting to see what the MV was on those shots: it must have been way above normal. If the skirts come off, I'd try air rifle slugs.
The .22 Cal powder actuated cartridges are also made in .27 Cal and they are used for ¼ inch powder actuated fastener tool(Ramset, Hilti, Redhead,etc...) ¼ inch is the diameter of the ram piston that is the barrel inside diameter. They also make those tools and cartridges in a 3/8 inch diameter. Bigger cartridges, more power, larger diameter bore. I'm not sure what size ammo is 3/8 inch in diameter but, it may be interesting to see and compare the ¼ inch and the 3/8 inch.
In Washington State, "powder activated tool"s are legally firearms now, if you hand one to a friend to use, you have to have a background check done, same when he hands it back to you. How's that for insanity?
It sure brings back fond old memories: as a young novice gunsmith, I used to experiment with the similar system more then 5 decades ago, by using Eichhorn branded blanks, topped off with heavy H&N pellets for the likes of Barracuda if I remember right? Best performance was in older breech-loading .22 break-brl air-rifles, which I converted. Doing the same on .177 air-rifles would usually result in pellet/skirt seperation, were skirts frequently ended up getting stuck in the bore, as the smaller bore pellets couldn’t withstand the pressure levels!
Good idea. Reminds me of when I was a grunt in the army and if I got bored in the woods during down-time on state-side field exercises I would drop a section of cleaning-rod down the barrel of my M4 and with a blank firing behind it it would go so far into a tree that it was impossible to pull out with bare hands.
I have some nails that are .15 cal so I can use them in my pellet rifle, using a bit of styrofoam as a wad, and fire them over an inch deep into wood from 10 feet away lol
***** I'd counter that the key word is 'dynamite'. I guess it depends which part of the comment we're focusing on. You have to admit that blasting a stick of dynamite at a C4 target would be fucking awesome.
Close... the relationship between weight and speed is not linear. With the yellow powder charges, you're spitting pellets out around (pauses to close ad)
*Ad closed* 2100-2250fps With the red (green, yellow, red, purple) loads you are close to 2500fps with a 16g projectile. Haven't been able to find the purple loads to try them.
Those are "Citron Melons", they are similar to watermelons but are an ancestral breed of the plant. I googled it thinking they were GMOs, but they are the opposite.
NinjaDeathBlade I don't know what part of the world that you grew up in, but here in California around the Central Valley, those (used to) grow wild on the sides of the road. We called them "Cow Melons" .. of course "back in the day" before the internet, we used to collect them together -especially the over-ripe or soft ones- to lob at each other in great big melon wars.. though, if memory serves, we also blew a fair share of them into smithereens via firecrackers
The shortage is in people's heads. Nothings changed. The government us NOT buying up the .22s. They are producing the same amount. But when u tell someone there is a shortage they will buy as many boxes as the can as soon as they can.
In my opinion... Back in 1975 I bored out a .177 pellet rifle to accept the .22 Blank, like you use in the video. It was of course a one shot rifle, but it had great power and accuracy. Needless to say that I was happily surprised when they started making 17 rim fire rifles a few years ago.
A bit "Johny come lately" we were doing this 50 years ago when I was a teenager. We loaded the .22 slug in the breech of bolt action single shot rifles using a modified bent nail to make sure the slug just started in the rifling. This avoided erosion of the chamber. Muzzle loading the slug leads the barrel and damages the slug. You could/can get a range of different sized blanks; from concrete, through timber, right down to starting pistol blanks. I rat hunted with starting pistol blanks and .22 Wasp air-rifle slugs , powerful enough, quiet and accurate.
My experiment, a .22 slam-fire using Marlin 60 barrel ($21.45 EBay) inserted inside a 3/4" PVC pipe, a 1" PVC pipe housing with 3/4" X 12" black steel pipe inside the 1" PVC as hammer/firing-pin, firing 4 'Premier Brand' 12 gram pellets loaded in the barrel at the same time with level 4 cartridge, projectiles went through a piece of 2 X 4 with a small .22 entry and a big nasty exit on the backside.
+ctpOMG gain your freedom then idk what to tell you pellet guns only do so much unless you want to spend $1000+$. the right to protect yourself is essential
Drew Martin "gain your freedom" keep you'r patriotic tlk to yourself, and no shit pellet guns only do so mcuh unless you spend so much money, i could say the same for real guns, and a .22 isn't going to protect you so much, and where i live there's no need for protection.
Mr. Martin, have you ever done something just for fun, may be a rocket stove despite you have a real stove in your kitchen, or may be making a slingshot? You should check out Jorg Sprave Channel the German with real guns, greatest slingshots on YT.
I once saw an air rifle that was modified to fire .22 LR. They had to drill out the air rifle chamber to take the cartridge and put a very low power spring in with a rim fire pin on the end of the piston. After firing the base of the .22 cartridge was bulged out due to the breach not being fully sealed. But it worked.
***** My mind can't help but wonder how much carbon deposit from those charges gums up your gun. I know regular blanks dirty the barrel up really quickly, but you add compression with the pellets, so maybe it burns completely unlike blanks... hmm..
When I was a juvenile delinquent back in the 90's we used to tape pellets to the end of #6 purple tip ramset 22 and shoot them out of a homemade zip gun pistol and they were definitely deadly.. This is essentially the same thing. They can go straight through tractor tires too which is pretty impressive 😂
***** Mmm. Actually it depends on the distance. For longer distance a pellet would retain much less energy since its mass is lesser and so its inertia. For shorter distances pellet would be better since energy depends on the square of the speed. E=0.5*m*(v^2). If you can depleet all of that energy into the target.
***** Yes. The higher the mass of the bullet the better it can retain its energy whiñle travelling (also aerodynamics take a huge part here). The pellet looses its energy faster since its lighter, but it also has more energy since it is travelling faster.
***** actually, if the pellet is actually going 2800 fps (or anywhere near it), it has more than twice the muzzle energy of the .22 despite being lighter.
FYI *Really* dangerous the other way round. Modified pellet rifles *Do NOT hold up* I machined a purpose built hybrid. (Just easier than trying to fit odd parts to work) Bolt action for the blank and break barrel for the pellet. It works.....if I had nothing else better. Just an experiment to see if it was a possible SHTF option for a fictional book someone else was writing. Oxy-Acetlene fired by diesel principles from a pellet rifle is entertaining.(20" of muzzle flash) But worthlessly impractical and no where close to accurate ever. You've saved me quite a lot of time on odd ideas. 😆 👍 Thanks a bunch!
In Poland firearms are hard to get. Poachers sometimes modify airguns to shoot .22 long rifle or something like this. When police busts someone with such rifle or some rusty WWII relics, they claim that they "uncovered an illegal arsenal of firearms".
1 gun in 100 people in Poland according to the statistics. That is probably as low as it can get.
Don't you just love half-assed hype?
Sound like Polish and Norwegian police have lot in common...
Poland: woke on immigration, not so much on firearms.
@@Tyrfingr 1 in 100? Dang, I have 7 myself
You guys have just developed armor-piercing pellets, you guys rock 😂🤣😂
@@MrSniperdude01 just use a gamo red fire. They're accurate and hit like a truck.
@@MrSniperdude01 I meant for the barrel load. For a cylinder you can use penetrators or round tip diablos. The h&n Hornet will also devastate small game. Honestly though you shouldn't have an problems using normal crossman hollow points. They're round tipped and with peel a raccoons lid back. Both the red fires and the crossman hollows are my go to hunting pellets and I only hunt small game with a .177 pump.
@@MrSniperdude01 I've killed a lot of small game with these, I hit a rabbit at about 600fps with a .177 redfire in the head straight on and found the pellet in its rib cage. You can drop a bird easy with the walmart stuff and an accurate rifle.
@@MrSniperdude01 Your problem could be that you're using a .22 I've found spring/piston .22 rifles to be a little inaccurate. A normal pcp pump .177 is my usual go to for hunting, virtually no recoil, they don't chew up scopes, and the .177 flies faster. I've found .177s to expand better most of the time.
@@MrSniperdude01 have some that are made with bb in them. They suck but the red tipped gamo ones have went through a 2x4
When I was in the Army, we used M16 blanks,and Crossman .22 pellets, firing out of M16s
Lmao that's awesome XD
I Wonder how many feet a second that would go?
@@ronniepirtlejr2606 5
@CubanAssassin MMA there flared at the back so maybe it fit just snug enough
Ohhrah to infinity and beyond. I wanna see the speed and damage.
I found this to be extremely interesting. I'm a 22 LR guy, and I doubt seriously that I would use the .22 pellets with the 'tool rounds', but, all I can say is WOW. I was impressed with the watermelon shot. It would be a good squirrel round.
Good chicken whacker too.
They're cool with pellets but don't use actual 22lr bullets. The pressure will be dangerously high.
Back in the 1960s you could buy a .22 smoothbore rifle which fired what was called 'dust shot' for use in orchards apparently, didn't take long for us to buy blanks along with a .22 pellet and see what happens. Quite a powerful result.
I notice your post name is aberbeeg, in Sis Balls we did the same in the 1960s same rifle, I thought we used ordinary blanks which as you said produced powerful results. Naughty boys back then!
Funny. I don't remember .22 pellets being available in the 1960s. CCIs were a penny a pop, though.
@@timhofstetter5654 Bought tens of thousands back then, Marksmen were my preferred .22 pellet.
Australia we call that round Rat shot or Bird shot.
$35 for 500? Still cheaper than anything I've found lately!
You'd think the prices would have come back down by now!
Haha yeah
if only you had any idea of how bad it'd get
@@taofledermaus ahahah!
@@taofledermaus I am from the future, They never came back down
How about a .22 revolver? Take the cylinder out and load it up. Put it back and fire like a old cap and bail pistol.
David Henderson you think the pellet would make it through the cylinder gap?
@@ViktoriousDead I do not see why the cylinder gap should matter unless the revolver is so warn out the gap is a 1/4 wide.
David Henderson just wondering about the fit of the pellet in the cylinder, if it wasn't tight enough the pellet could shear off going into the barrel. Due to the pellet not flying straight
@@ViktoriousDead Well if that was the case it would also happen when being used in the 22 rifle. Like I said the gap would have to be huge for any problem I am thinking. A little checking on line shows the gap to be from .005 to .008. Anything more than that the weapon is not safe to fire.
David Henderson I don't understand how that could be the case in the rifle seeing as they muzzleloaded it? You were referring to loading the cylinder with the blank cartridge and pellets right? That's where I was thinking their could be a problem seeing as the .22 pellet doesn't have the same dimensions as a .22 LR or other .22 caliber.
All these years later you still innovate and put out awesome content.
thanks Luke!
No, thank you you showed me this trick years ago. A real squirrel slayer. Better than the .22 Dianna 350 by far.
I was doing this back in early 80's.
You should chrono the pellets. It would Be interesting to see what the true FPS is.
1600 in 22 over 2000 in 177 😀 depending on the blanks .. black powder blanks arent as affective as smokeless nitro blanks . its the speed of gas expansion , black powder is a lot slower burning so expands slower ...the pellet has left the barrel before full expansion of the gasses
@@tomhughes5123 u are backwards on that. Black powder is faster burning than smokeless. And those pellets are no where near 2500 fps. In .22lr cci hv is 1400fps.
@@pranc236 it depends on the shape and size, but generally smokeless powder burns faster than black powder. There's a reason we could not get 556 level velocities out of black powder
Even though the pellet is a bit undersized compared to the bullet, the pellet skirts are very thin and the gas will push them into the rifling groves to engage the rifling well. There are .38 special wadcutter bullets that have a hollow cavity at the real used in bullyeye competition that are designed this way.
I had the skirts tear off in rifling but works good. Use heavier pellets.
If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid!
Yep.
Or its stupid and you got incredibly lucky.
+Hans Solo Zimmler You are right.
Apply that to 9/11
Maxim 43: "If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky."
Cool. Don't go by the color to differentiate between power levels though unless you always stay with the same brand. What I found in the past is that each company used their own color codes.
I never thought of it before but these blanks must be contributing to .22 ammo shortages.
Wow, that pellet is just as fast as a 5.56, Super impressed :)
Another commenter chronographed his and got 2900 to 3000ft per second..accurate to 100 yards.
Next up, firing a .22 round out of a nailgun.
firing a nailgun salesman likley.
gullf1sk any idea if it might work?
Luis ZELAYA With or w/o the nail?
Carlos Rodriguez A real .22. No nail. Someone told me that the nailgun chamber won't house a .22 lr but I wonder if the nail gun barrel can be used somehow
Luis ZELAYA
really called sling guns or Ramset drivers..they push a piston bigger than the blank 22 or 25 cal.
Reminds me how soldiers from the LRRP unit in Alaska used to shoot their cleaning rods out of their M16's using 5.56mm blanks.
I've done similar experiments with with only the priming mixture and no powder charge in the .22, firing them into modeling clay. The velocity is low enough that the pellets don't self destruct and you can recover them intact.
What I found is that the sudden rise in pressure after the primer ignites actually forces the pellet skirt up to the head so you land up with a pellet that looks like a parallel sided shot glass.
Use a small ramrod or "pusher" to push the .22 soft lead pellet a little way up into the rifled barrel.
This does 2 things...
it engages the pellet skirt in the rifling..
and there is a volume of air behind the pellet so the hot violent gases from the burning powder can cushion a little before full force is exerted on the pellet...
It may also reduce the "boiling" of lead from those gases hitting the base and reduce the amount of lead sprayed into the bore from this melting effect....
(which is why larger calibre soft lead projectiles have copper base caps (gas checks) that crimp onto the base of those projectiles protecting the soft lead...
you know those air rifle pellets have a cone on the back of them like the conical bullets in the civil war. when the powder goes off it expanse the cone into the rifling's which will make them accurate. its not going to hurt the gun. good survival ammo.
The civil war conicals were a combination of bullet weight, shape, powder type, and burn rate all working in harmony. The fast powder in the hilti shells overpowers the ultra light weight pellets and does affect accuracy. Not only that but pellet speed can actually drop off with the more powerful yellow blanks! This was proven by +RyeOnHam when he did some chronograph tests. Better to use the lightest blanks color coded brown.
Will Yam smokeless powder burns slower than black power that is a fact. slower burning powders burn all the way down the barrel and makes for higher velocity. that why that pellet is being destroyed. the pellet is just like the conical bullet of the civil war the cone will expand and engage the rifling it just needs a smaller powder charge.
mad max the idea is to get close to the same burn time as it takes to get the projectile out the barrel, somebody correct me if I'm wrong but that is the direct difference between big bore and small bore powders is burn time but compound is irrelevant. black powder is granulated after the ball mill processes to controll burn time.
madmax...its called a miniéball....(miné or min-aye-ball) named after Claude minié....but gets called mini ball.
You're correct about the burn rates of different powders, but what is the chamber pressure? Excess chamber pressure can damage the firearm and injure the shooter. The load data found in reloading manuals will always tell you the chamber pressure for a particular load based on the type and amount of powder and type of bullet and weight. This seems like guess work since you don't know the powder charge in a Hilti .22 shell and there isn't much info on .22 rim fire rounds since they can't be hand loaded. It seems to me if its outperforming factory ammo, it must have a much higher chamber pressure and may be approaching the danger zone.
looks like freakin 5.56 holes in thin steel. amazing! those rounds are haulin
Marilyn Gist 5.56 is extremely close in diameter to .22 so at these velocities it makes sense that they look the same
17Industries they are actually the same at .223 inch
@@gaydolfhitqueer835 no,they aren't
I was so sure that the 22LR ammo would out preform the pellets but I was wrong great video keep up the good work you got a subscriber
+Pablo Munoz thanks!
they're called power loads for a reason, they release more energy than a firearm round because they're designed to drive metal into concrete as opposed to soft flesh, but because there's more energy released than your weapon is designed to handle, you run an extreme risk of destroying the weapon and the hand holding it
it would probably be best to just do this with either break actions or bolt actions, a lot of times the barrels on semi-autos are thinner
The shells can't hold enough powder to blow a normal barrel. i'd not fire one from a sleeved barrel though. if it's too thin it might go pop
@@wulfarrow2849 Well Yes and No, I have tested some hot loads in .22LR's the semi-auto has a thinner barrel, BUT also has a place for the gases to escape....On a bolt gun it has NOWHERE to go!
We were doing this decades ago (70's) when I was a teen and early 20's. We used my old Marlin bolt action and a friends old Remington 511 bolt gun, for the bolt actions work so much easier. Just open the bolt, insert the pellet and load the blank behind the pellet. Back then, I had several tins of the very small starter pistol blanks, and even those gave enough speed and accuracy to kill birds, squirrels and close range rabbits. The nail gun blanks would give a whole new level of speed and power, and as you learned, the power of those blanks could deliver near 22 mag speed and power.
John Willis
10 days ago (edited)
I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
jut found a good apocalypse substitute ammo :D
I did this same experiment 3 years ago, Shot a 1.5" diameter aspen tree at 15 yards and blew it down... good news... Now for the bad news.. the pellets are traveling so fast down the barrel they solder the rifling leaving lead deposits in the rifling. Each time you shoot more of the rifling get soldered off into the rifling, causing super increased pressure, Eventually to the point where your gun barrel will explode, not a very smart idea....
If you had a solid copper pellet.... not a copper coated one... you wouldn't get the soldering effect of the lead pellet on the rifling inside your barrel.
Never took it to that step... for I destroyed my 22 repeater from over pressure, it permanently knocked out my bullet head space and ruined my gun completely.
When I looked at the rifling in the barrel... there was no twist to be seen, it was completely soldered out from the lead pellets..
Do not do this with lead pellets you could seriously hurt or kill someone or your self !!!!
KEVINNOAD1 lol this comment prob fell on deaf ears.
KEVINNOAD1 pp
Or clean the barrel after each shot? ...which makes it even more tedious.
Copper does the same thing. Very common in gun barrels. Lead requires lubricant to slow down fouling.
I kind of figured that would happen...
Been doing this since 2013! 410 to 22 adapters for my Judge. Bit of candle wax
holds the pellets to the nail gun blanks (I use browns tho) Accuracy satisfactory
even with smooth bore adapters. After all ITS -NOT- A TARGET PISTOL!!!! LOL
Good enuf and cheap enuf for shooting rats in the corn crib. It sure beats trying
to wield a long barrel in tighter spaces and it doesn't blow holes in the siding as
a 'legitimate' 22 would do. Works at greater distance than the birdshot rounds!
Gotta make sure you killem tho, wounded rats can be dangerous!! ROFL
Interesting set-up. Seeing this reminds me of what my kid brother and his buddy did when they were in grade school. Our dad was a carpenter and had a box full of these blanks in the garage. My brother and his pal snuck some of the blanks out into the field, put one in a vise and hit it with a hammer! The blank shell took off and went through the pal's upper arm, missing the bone. He calmly walked back to my parents' house and told my dad, "excuse me sir, I shot myself." My dad was shocked and then angry after he took the kid to the hospital. We kids had all been told for years to never touch those blanks. That kid was lucky it didn't go into his face.
Did the same on a job site, hit one with a piece of rebarb a piece whent through my finger and another into my thumb and another stuck in my forehead! I was bleeding all over, never tried it again! I believe the crimped edges of the blank is what came off!
I detonated a few 22 LR Primers with a hammer. It ruptures the brass and was remarkably loud. It probably did damage my hearing.
savage friend
Two friends and I found a 22 round and, of course, decided to put it on a curb and pound it with a brick. It went off and shot my friend in the foot and he took off like Usain Bolt! It took us 5 min to catch him! mom took us to the hospital. He was ok but the rest of had the belt to deal with when We got home! That was 50 years ago and I remember like yesterday.
I knew a guy with a glass eye, he said he would put the shell at the end of a bb gun and shoot it up. But he didnt do it anymore when a peice came back and damaged his eye, and curved around the skull bone inbetween the brain.
I've used the yellow loads, to nail 2×6's to 3/16" steel beams with PL400 adhesive for extra measure and cushioning. You have to use special high carbon steel nails, that fit the Hilti gun as well.
does it get more powerful than the yellow ones?
@@gonzogriff Here in Ireland it used to be yellow>red>black with black being most powerful, that was 40 -50 years ago though , so I don't know if its the same here nowadays...🤔
This is really cool, I have never seen anyone try this before, and it obviously works great. You are achieving extremely high velocities with those lightweight pellets. Very cool! Some guys with break-barrel, spring piston pellet rifles are adding a drop of oil in the pellet skirt, then firing it from the air rifle.. The air compression ignites the oil, creating a high velocity shot. It's pretty cool also, if you like messing around with air rifles you might give it a try. They call it dieseling.
+Trevor Jameson Dieseling is really bad for the gun though. If you really want hyper velocity pellets, just make your own rifle that will do so. Barrels can actually be made from paper. Yes, that's right, paper. You have to make the barrel pretty thick though, and watch the pressures.
+Trevor Jameson Gotta try this...how to seal the oil in the pellet ?
I dieseled hundreds of pellets from my old Gamo (back in the 1970s). It would be interesting to experiment with different fuels. I had sewing machine oil so I used that. No malfunctions but anti-fun parents confiscated it.
I've done it, but the results are not very consistent, unless you have a way to ensure that you use the exact same amount of oil each time. And it's murder on barrel seals, they don't last long.
I've got another stupid idea, boring out the back end of a .177 air rifle barrel so that a cartridge will fit in it, modifying the compressor so it punches the primer (instead of trying to blow air through it), loading the modified bb gun with slugs and giving that a go. Those slugs ought to go like the clappers.
In a gun fight, it's safer to take cover behind an inch of paper than an eighth-inch of steel.
No shit
I said no shit dumbass
+TechysTechTalk lmao
+TechysTechTalk Oh noes, he didn't reply to you what ever shall you do?
+TechysTechTalk
"i go on with my life like a normal person"
> replies for the 3rd time two months later
dumb ass.
9 years later, and youtube just recommended this to me. I ain't complaining, but the algorithm is wild these days. Great video though ❤
This is seriously interesting! Who would have though that the 'improvised' round would work better than the factory round?
***** Perhaps a twin magazine system would provide the necessary result? A shell up back & the projectile up front? I would a love it if a gunsmith tried this idea out!
Quincy Owyang It was more of a 'can it be made?' rather than to put into production.
L I i Lily l l k i l loi My mp
never heard of a .22 hornet have ya? its a flared round with light grains and shitloads of power.
why not just breakbarrel?
you have a great channel. it's always cool to watch what you come up with. i think the pellet videos are awesome. I'm thinking of trying it with my 10/22. the people that are negative can go and make their own channel. nobody made them watch yours. keep up the good work. thanks for sharing this with us.
+blackops84321 thanks!!
I remember being a poor southern boy in Texas. Me and my buddies didn't have the cash to buy rifles so we took piece's of pipe with a diameter big enough to fit a 22 round and a end cap with a small whole drill off center. We had his dad who was a shade tree mechanic weld a nut to the end of the cap so it would act as a guide for a carpenter nail then another small piece of pipe with one side cut so it would hold the nail with a small spring on the back. To load we simply unscrewed the end cap and placed the 22 round into one end and put the cap back on. To fire we had a small piece of wood blocking the nail from striking the round. We simply lined up a target and pulled the wood out and bang! Dead squirrel for Dinner! Yeah it was inaccurate over a few yards but for squirrel's, rabbits and other small creatures at close range it worked! So glad we never used nail gun blanks and pellets that extra hot charge would have blown up our DIY rifles! Great time's Great vid!
I tried doing this about a year ago with my cheap bolt action .22 rifle. But I loaded the pellet into the breach and then put the blank behind it. It hit the target fine but left behind a ring of lead that prevented me from shooting again until I removed the lead with a sturdy wire bore cleaner. So in short I only got one round to fire off. I might try it again in the future.
+Josh Bonds Try a copper pellet next time.
You can either use a lower-power blank, such as #2, or a bit heaver projectile....
Now that is a wildcat load!
Lol
Using blanks to fire projectile, does sometimes make the shot more powerful than the regular cartridge. Thats because the blanks have more powder so they have enough power to drive a nail in to concrete.
Has someone chronographed this?!
This is basically a hot load.
But hornady doesn't give a listing for powder grain weight for .22 because you can't reload rim fire.
I wonder how fast it'll wear out internals.
Southern ingenuity at it's finest!
Velocity beats armor more than mass
... Both the velocity and the mass are involved in the kinetic energy of the round fired... KE = (1/2)*mass*velocity
+saverlater123 *velocity^2
yes, that is true, but velocity has a greater effect
+saverlater123 momentum is mass*velocity kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2 therefore in energy velocity has much more influence.
+Manilla Ice the word was impact
Try level 5, if I remember, they were coded brown. Harden cement, is the hardest to drive a nail in.
Jeff, I'd love to see you guys mess around with powder-propelled pellets some more. Could you make up rounds that would feed? Maybe based on .22lr cases?
It should work in a revolver maybe?
@@roosterqmoney That seems like a sensible suggestion, yeah! In as far as 'sensible' applies here...
Hmmm, need to check those out on various armor. Those are very clean holes through that locker and those little boogers are moving pretty damn fast. They also have the pointed target pellets that would be interesting to see. Neat stuff guys!
One way to prove that the pellets were flying with higher velocity and energy than the bullet was to look at the locker. The pellet literally looked like it drilled a hole in the metal, didn't even chip the paint. The bullet dragged a lot of metal in with the hole. Higher velocity shatters its way through, lower velocity punches its way through.
That's 7 cents a round for something that loads slow and works better for varmints. I wouldn't hunt with it because the pellet would end up contaminating meat when it disintegrates. This would be great for that rifle with feeding issues, but shoots straight.
briansmobile1
I don't think it would do squat to the meat. It punched a clean round hole through steel plate. I don't think a rabbit would fair as well.
Dawg meat and metal are 2 different things
I had good results by soldering the skirt full with a fine-tip soldering iron. It adds extra weight and keeps the skirt from separating. I have even gone as far as soldering a 177 bb into to pellet skirt and used JB weld to secure it to a ram set cartridge.
Cool.
I think the ideal gun for this would be a double action .22lr revolver. With the swing out cylinder it would be very easy to place the pellet directly into the rifling, put your blank in the cylinder, close it and fire. Hell if you wanted too you could put nail gun blanks onto a speed loader/ moon clip so you could have 10 rounds of plinking at a time and actually be able to do it fairly quickly if your range rents by the half hour. Pretty economical way to shoot if you just love plinking.
In Mexico used this system in national rifles= Mendoza or Cabañas, but in .177 cal Mendoza in the model M-990, Cabañas in the model: Leyre(cabañas is discontinued and is very hard to find these rifles in some places of Mexico)
I have been wanting to/thinking about doing this, since I was like 10 years old! I knew it would work!
I did this back in the 80s using a hi-standard .22 revolver. We loaded the cylinder with pellets first and then seated the blanks behind them; that way there was no muzzle-loading required. They were awesome on squirrels and rabbit.
I wonder if the .22 pellets would stay in a revolver cylinder?
i would think so given the gas skirt on a pellet , probably best to rear load though , you would just have to look at your overall length for the 2 and make sure that clears the cylinder
If not, you could always glue them to the charges to make rounds.
Take a small punch and crimp the skirt of the pellet out slightly; when you push it into the chamber, it will stick in there, kind of like it would in an air rifle.
You should do some more videos on these. Seems very interesting, and would this work in a single shot bolt gun?
They actually work better in a bolt gun. No worries about the rifle cycling the empty case. It is slow but will work in a pinch.
I'm sure we will. We have a lot of the pellets and the cartridges left.
*****
Thank you, I'll be looking forward to that.
***** so use the bolt gun to shoot the pellets into ballistics gel
Not trying to be smug , but I knew chippies that buggered around with these loads in the 70's. Never gets old though. Great research as usual.😂😎🇦🇺👌 as a kid we would tape them to cross bow bolts with a little peice of plastic tubing.
Awesome video once again, and as always, AMAZING RESULTS...
Thanks Paul. We were very surprised.
Such a clean entry those pellets make, I'd expect them to be squished or splattered.
JVONROCK Actually them squashing is likely why they made such a clean entry, all the kinetic energy was spread evenly due to it being a soft but heavy metal.
I've used 22 pellets in a once fired 22-250 brass case powered only by a large magnum rifle primer for years as a close range pest round. Simply push the pellet down the case neck flush and load the primer using a simple hand priming tool. I've not chronoed the load but seems to be similar to a 22 RF short. Great way to use your coyote rifle for a quiet close range pest control rifle. Very accurate.
Assasins special, nothing left for forensics
Nailed it!
I finally got to test this myself, after I purchased a Chiappa little badger. I only tried the greens. Some shot fine, others the pellet would break apart in the barrel and the top would shoot out, but the skirt would stay in the barrel. First one that broke apart, I only found out after the next blank wouldn't seat fully. So I removed the blank and pellet, looked down the barrel and could see daylight, but upon looking more closely, realized there was something still in the barrel. I had to use a cleaning rod to drive out the remaining skirt of the last pellet.
I'll try it again sometime using Browns, but it most likely requires a heaver pellet, maybe one that doesn't have that 'hourglass' shape would be necessary for this to work reliably.
This idea is a moot point at this time anyway, as nail gun blanks are currently .10 a round in the Chicagoland area, and .22 LR's are back in stock everywhere and as cheap as .06 a round.
Something I would like to try though, will be to seat a FMJ center fire .22 bullet into the chamber and use a nail gun blank as the power. But I won't use the Chiappa for that. Most likely it'll be a 12ga to .22 adaptor.
Make a small dowel and push the pellet far enough out of the forcing cone and into the barrel so that the pellet is actually engaged with the rifling.....
This achieves 2 things...
the skirt is already engaged with the rifling when the hot gases push it outwards to seal the skirt to take advantage of all the gases to propel the pellet up the barrel;
and there is a volume created behind the pellet which allows expansion of the gases without as much heat frying the lead and blowing molten lead all over the inside of the bore....
Pretty amazing vid,
Thanks!
could it be the powder?. try shooting a normal .22 round with the superX's. And then use a .22 blank with the pellets. I think the powder is just strong.
Also the pellets are lighter.
Also the pellets have a cupped back, so I believe it helps it catch more pressure, giving it more velocity
Ive got the same pellets in solid dome, the cupped back actually bends quite easy, so i'd imagine upon firing, that cup expands out into the rifling making a hell of a tight seal. Normal .22 rounds have a band used to engage the rifling. Would be cool to capture in a ballistics gel block to see what happens to the round.
these charges do contain some very fast burning powder, the high pressures could take a toll on the action of a rifle over a long time, especially if you try and drive a heavy projectile!
Aussie50; and that's what .22 lever guns are for :)
Honestly. It's been done for years. I'm 32 and I figured this out when I was 12. Try putting a small drop of super glue on the pellet and put it on the tip of the cartridge. It's alot faster and easier and better consistent results. Further more... use a bolt action. Oh ya you were off on your fps estimate. We've clocked them at 2650 to 2700 when you try that method.
Speed kills. What if you lightly epoxy the pellets to the blanks? Worth a shot. You have finally answered the question everyone thinks when they see or use these for work. Thanks for sharing.
The damage reminds me of what a .17 hmr or a Ruger .204 does. Pretty cool stuff!
+Inkwellish The smaller quick rounds are pretty darn fun to shoot with.
***** .17 HMR and .204 Ruger. The first is a necked down 22 magnum. and the .204 is a necked down .223 I'm pretty sure.
Both shooting smaller bullets from a larger parent case; making their velocities better and flatter trajectories for the most part.
They are very prone to metal fouling,
Timothy Terrell would you call them barrel burners?
I have a remington speedmaster! I got way too excited when i saw it :)
Finally, a channel (RyeOnHam) took me up on the offer of CHRONOGRAPHING the pellet velocities! BE SURE to check out this excellent video!
VR Shooting 22 PELLETS Using NAIL GUN Blanks
can you glue or hot wax the pellets onto the ramset round?
I wonder what would happen if you shot steel BB's or copper pellets at some body armor? Would they be AP?
How loud are they?
I'm guessing they are fucking loud because they break the sound barier....
....Twice.
ZentetsukenVII The description of the video said they were significantly louder than a standard round
ZentetsukenVII why should they be loud ? "Breaks sound barrier" means travels faster than sound, which just means it has really big speed.
I tried this in a single shot .22lr and the case blew back so far into the firing pin hole it destroyed not only the firing pin, but the spring as well. Needless to say, the blank's case was toast!
Copper pellets! At those velocities it should penetrate like crazy!
+James Garvey Gamo sells copper plated pellets, they are even faster than normal pellets, imagine if they were shot with blanks ! :))
+qpae123 that's exactly what I was thinking.
+James Garvey you can sand em down then coat em with tungsten by -electrolysis- galvanisation for even more fun. rip barrel...
+Klaus Von Liechtenstein hmmmm.. Solid tungsten would be interesting too!
James Garvey solid tungsten penetrator is my wet dream... wait.. that sounded so gay xd
now srsly, since tungsten is tougher than steel its a bitch to machine out. i doubt it is even possible, but you could coat anything metal in tungsten in home conditions by galvanisation. now that's homegrown ammo, literally heheh
I'm in construction and I've used hundreds of those yellow shots to nail wood to concrete. The box describes them as "Low Velocity", so I was quite surprised at how much they compared to a similar "real" bullet.
imagine using the red caps, yellow and green are the weak ones. i own a ramset, and the red ones are most often too much. i only use the red when attaching wood to structural steel.
they need to try the red ones!
+Mike Truglia I imagine it would far over power the pellet and it would rip apart mid air, or not stabilize in any regard. Just a guess though.
The #4 rips the pellet skirt off in the barrel, and you gotta get it out before you can load another pellet...works OK with the #2 .
@@miketruglia4825 pellet won't stand the strain.
@@The_PotionSeller powdered. it's to much pressure for soft lead.
Thats good to know for an emergency shtf situation if you had no .22 ammo. Damm those pellets preform well.
I was doing that 45 years ago... anyone, any age could buy those, and make OK bullets.
A Caution to consider with pellets is that the collar of the pellet can shear off the head and be left in the barrel. This was found with #2's pushing the pellet through a rifle barrel.
I still recommend trying this at home.
Good luck everybody 👍!
I have a Stevens single shot 25 rimfire. Ammo hasn’t been made in quantity in many decades. Most of the ammo you can find runs over $1/round and 60+ years old with a lot of duds. I bough some 27 caliber Ramset blanks, which fit nicely in the 25rf chamber and use 25 cal aigun pellets. Seems to work well. I use the lower powered 27 cal blanks. I definitely don’t advise anyone to do this.
Never even heard of a .25 rimfire! Need to research this old round!
Hmm...too bad there isn't a rifle specially made to do this; it'd be a great recreational shooter!
+Alonzo Branson Either .22 break action rifle or revolver should work well. With some paper and glue you can even make a cartridge)
+КоммуНЯКА Кавайная Yep.. But the #4 charge, and .22 bullets for the mini-revolvers were too much for my Buckmark.... gotta get it fixed.
+koolkitty8989 I was thinking the exact same thing, loading the pellets with a small Allen wrench in a single shot breech bolt action.
a few freinds of mine made pipe guns that do this. you can also use these (along with some very good steel tube for your bolts) in modified pneumatic crossbows.
Yes... perhaps starting with a .22 center-fire barrel, or a .22 insert in a break-barrel shotgun, to have sufficient steel around the chamber to withstand the pressures generated.... I agree that using a standard .22 rim-fire could be problems, which is why I suggest the most conservative approach...
I have a falling block single shot .22 that could be used this way. Be interesting to see what the MV was on those shots: it must have been way above normal. If the skirts come off, I'd try air rifle slugs.
The .22 Cal powder actuated cartridges are also made in .27 Cal and they are used for ¼ inch powder actuated fastener tool(Ramset, Hilti, Redhead,etc...) ¼ inch is the diameter of the ram piston that is the barrel inside diameter.
They also make those tools and cartridges in a 3/8 inch diameter. Bigger cartridges, more power, larger diameter bore.
I'm not sure what size ammo is 3/8 inch in diameter but, it may be interesting to see and compare the ¼ inch and the 3/8 inch.
So, you invented the .22 muzzle loader?
lol
In Washington State, "powder activated tool"s are legally firearms now, if you hand one to a friend to use, you have to have a background check done, same when he hands it back to you. How's that for insanity?
yeah when you have people that do this, it actually does become a firearm.
It sure brings back fond old memories: as a young novice gunsmith, I used to experiment with the similar system more then 5 decades ago, by using Eichhorn branded blanks, topped off with heavy H&N pellets for the likes of Barracuda if I remember right? Best performance was in older breech-loading .22 break-brl air-rifles, which I converted. Doing the same on .177 air-rifles would usually result in pellet/skirt seperation, were skirts frequently ended up getting stuck in the bore, as the smaller bore pellets couldn’t withstand the pressure levels!
Good idea. Reminds me of when I was a grunt in the army and if I got bored in the woods during down-time on state-side field exercises I would drop a section of cleaning-rod down the barrel of my M4 and with a blank firing behind it it would go so far into a tree that it was impossible to pull out with bare hands.
SGT D well that rod isnt cleaning anything anymore
Ive done that with a .22, pulled the bullet and doubled the load, cleaning rod would stick pretty good lol
Wow
Risky business. Don't think a section of cleaning rod weighs the same as a projectile you might be using. Props for trying it out though!
I have some nails that are .15 cal so I can use them in my pellet rifle, using a bit of styrofoam as a wad, and fire them over an inch deep into wood from 10 feet away lol
This seems like a remarkably dangerous thing to do. Can you try shooting sticks of dynamite out of a 12 gauge?
John Smith The keyword is "seems"
KawasakiRider - I'm not comparing anything... I was joking. So, that's that cleared up.
***** I'd counter that the key word is 'dynamite'. I guess it depends which part of the comment we're focusing on. You have to admit that blasting a stick of dynamite at a C4 target would be fucking awesome.
John Smith I knew you were joking about the dynamite/shotgun. I wish I had some dynamite and a shotgun I didn't want though. lol
TNT maybe, MAYBE
Dynamite, hell no
Reminds me of the time I put a blowgun onto a paintball gun and was super shocked at how hard it shot those needles.
Did it with a CO2 plinker and it is nuts how fast those needles shoot? 💯😂
@@Assasinnationtv yep I couldn't believe how well it penetrated wood.
That means that you can get 3000 fps if you make a bullet with a 22 lr. Case and a 14g pellet.
Close... the relationship between weight and speed is not linear.
With the yellow powder charges, you're spitting pellets out around (pauses to close ad)
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2100-2250fps
With the red (green, yellow, red, purple) loads you are close to 2500fps with a 16g projectile. Haven't been able to find the purple loads to try them.
What the hell is a ditchbag watermelon? That thing's green on the inside and had almond sized seeds...
Those are "Citron Melons", they are similar to watermelons but are an ancestral breed of the plant. I googled it thinking they were GMOs, but they are the opposite.
NinjaDeathBlade A pest in California, and here in Australia. Most common name is Paddy Melon. They're toxic.
NinjaDeathBlade
I don't know what part of the world that you grew up in, but here in California around the Central Valley, those (used to) grow wild on the sides of the road. We called them "Cow Melons" .. of course "back in the day" before the internet, we used to collect them together -especially the over-ripe or soft ones- to lob at each other in great big melon wars.. though, if memory serves, we also blew a fair share of them into smithereens via firecrackers
Ditch bank melons. Stink when they rot
***** what doesn't stink when it rots? :P
The red 22 caliber pellets work beautifully with the yellow blanks in my racer revolver!
Hold ma beer and watch 'dis!
The shortage is in people's heads. Nothings changed. The government us NOT buying up the .22s. They are producing the same amount.
But when u tell someone there is a shortage they will buy as many boxes as the can as soon as they can.
In my opinion...
Back in 1975 I bored out a .177 pellet rifle to accept the .22 Blank, like you use in the video. It was of course a one shot rifle, but it had great power and accuracy. Needless to say that I was happily surprised when they started making 17 rim fire rifles a few years ago.
pretty cool man. screw the haters
+steve rohaley thanks Steve!
steve rohaley nail em
*sees 2800+ fps, thinks tao finally got a high speed camera with the money he makes from this channel, * no high speed?
Thepieintheface I have three HS cameras.
***** can you do slower frame rates, pretty please
***** no homo.
Yeah pretty cool but what about distance instead of close up
Just shows you're not getting much bang for your buck when buying actual ammunition.
Dang, I thought the book would've stopped the bullet.
That's what HE said...
lol glad someone got that.
A bit "Johny come lately" we were doing this 50 years ago when I was a teenager. We loaded the .22 slug in the breech of bolt action single shot rifles using a modified bent nail to make sure the slug just started in the rifling. This avoided erosion of the chamber. Muzzle loading the slug leads the barrel and damages the slug. You could/can get a range of different sized blanks; from concrete, through timber, right down to starting pistol blanks. I rat hunted with starting pistol blanks and .22 Wasp air-rifle slugs , powerful enough, quiet and accurate.
the leading is from the soft lead pellet or bullet melting when it goes too fast just like in pistols or rifles.
My experiment, a .22 slam-fire using Marlin 60 barrel ($21.45 EBay) inserted inside a 3/4" PVC pipe, a 1" PVC pipe housing with 3/4" X 12" black steel pipe inside the 1" PVC as hammer/firing-pin, firing 4 'Premier Brand' 12 gram pellets loaded in the barrel at the same time with level 4 cartridge, projectiles went through a piece of 2 X 4 with a small .22 entry and a big nasty exit on the backside.
or just spend 80-150$ and buy a real 22
Not everyone live in murica.
+ctpOMG gain your freedom then idk what to tell you pellet guns only do so much unless you want to spend $1000+$. the right to protect yourself is essential
Drew Martin "gain your freedom" keep you'r patriotic tlk to yourself, and no shit pellet guns only do so mcuh unless you spend so much money, i could say the same for real guns, and a .22 isn't going to protect you so much, and where i live there's no need for protection.
Mr. Martin, have you ever done something just for fun, may be a rocket stove despite you have a real stove in your kitchen, or may be making a slingshot? You should check out Jorg Sprave Channel the German with real guns, greatest slingshots on YT.
I used nail gun blanks in my B.S.A Meteor Rifle .22, in 1981, loads of fun,, But don't shoot your Brother with it,
really ,how did the cartige to go of .theres no bolt or anything ?
Ucan Far-cough I'm curious, did it damage the weapon in any way if it's not designed to have that kind of charge
I once saw an air rifle that was modified to fire .22 LR. They had to drill out the air rifle chamber to take the cartridge and put a very low power spring in with a rim fire pin on the end of the piston. After firing the base of the .22 cartridge was bulged out due to the breach not being fully sealed. But it worked.
Kind of amazing it worked. Since the .22 LR barrels are .223 and the .22 air gun barrels are .218.
Your watermelons might be "Buffalo Gourd" Cucurbita foetidissima
Thats awesome.
thanks!
***** My mind can't help but wonder how much carbon deposit from those charges gums up your gun. I know regular blanks dirty the barrel up really quickly, but you add compression with the pellets, so maybe it burns completely unlike blanks... hmm..
darkwarrior 22's are always pretty filthy. I cleaned the gun and it didn't seem any dirtier.
When I was a juvenile delinquent back in the 90's we used to tape pellets to the end of #6 purple tip ramset 22 and shoot them out of a homemade zip gun pistol and they were definitely deadly.. This is essentially the same thing. They can go straight through tractor tires too which is pretty impressive 😂
Has anyone chronographed these to confirm velocity?
I saw another video...the chrono said 4, 750.... !!!!
Daaaaammmmn!
WTF the pellet is BETTER than the real bullet??
Not really. The pellets are faster, but much lighter, so there isn't a lot of energy.
***** Mmm. Actually it depends on the distance. For longer distance a pellet would retain much less energy since its mass is lesser and so its inertia. For shorter distances pellet would be better since energy depends on the square of the speed. E=0.5*m*(v^2). If you can depleet all of that energy into the target.
.22LR's lose a lot of energy too the further they go, actually all bullets do.
***** Yes. The higher the mass of the bullet the better it can retain its energy whiñle travelling (also aerodynamics take a huge part here).
The pellet looses its energy faster since its lighter, but it also has more energy since it is travelling faster.
***** actually, if the pellet is actually going 2800 fps (or anywhere near it), it has more than twice the muzzle energy of the .22 despite being lighter.
FYI
*Really* dangerous the other way round.
Modified pellet rifles *Do NOT hold up*
I machined a purpose built hybrid.
(Just easier than trying to fit odd parts to work)
Bolt action for the blank and break barrel for the pellet.
It works.....if I had nothing else better.
Just an experiment to see if it was a possible SHTF option for a fictional book someone else was writing.
Oxy-Acetlene fired by diesel principles from a pellet rifle is entertaining.(20" of muzzle flash) But worthlessly impractical and no where close to accurate ever.
You've saved me quite a lot of time on odd ideas. 😆 👍
Thanks a bunch!