A chopping knife should be able to baton. Batoning and D2 steel misinformation. My take
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A heated topic. Where should I start with this? :-)
I'm almost 50 years old today, and when me and a few friends were teenagers under the age of 20, we once went camping on the weekend. Of course we wanted to build a campfire and only had a large hacksaw with us. No hatchet, no axe. Since I was already a big knife lover back then, I had a large, cheap Bowie knife with unknown steel, etc. with me. Then a friend came up with the idea of splitting wood with my knife by batoning it...
Imagine, the knife is perfectly fine, I still have it today as a piece of memory. I have now bought and used countless knives over the years. And I can safely say that the cheap knives are the ones that surprised me the most. (I don't want to say that the more expensive knives disappointed me!)
I have used some cheap knives uncontrollably and abused them. Simply because they didn't cost much and I didn't care. And to my surprise, they lasted a hell of a lot!
I have a few knives over 150 euros, some over 200 euros. And one over 300 euros. Now are they better? Even worse? No. They are what they are. Cutting tools with, perhaps, higher quality materials used in them.
Now I've gotten to the point where I'd rather buy two knives at once for under 200 euros instead of just one "good" one for 200 euros or more :-) This way I have more different knives to try out and they're practically all MORE qualitative as sufficient for my needs.
Of course you shouldn't try to split the most difficult, largest and hardest piece of wood with the smallest and thinnest knife you have. There should be a certain amount of common sense ;-)
And if everything fits, then go! If a knife breaks, just learn from it what you could do differently next time.
Guys, please don't argue about such crap in forums etc. Instead, go out into nature together and make a fire, grill a piece of meat and enjoy having a good time!!
Greetings from Germany, Torsten
I got into an argument with my step-father once while visiting. He has one of those wood splitters which is a contraption with a round steel frame that you have to mount on something, and it has a blade in the middle that you set your wood on and then pound it through with a hammer or baton. So basically it’s the same as this batoning but the blade is upside down.
He saw me using my knife to baton kindling and he came at me with all that “use the right tool for the job!” stuff.
I explained to him that my knife could handle it just fine, it cost way less than his contraption, and it was also wayyy more portable and versatile than his wood splitter mounted to a stump. Moreover, the steel on my knife was doing fine, while the steel on his splitter was soft and the edge was all deformed and mangled.
I agree with you at min 3:42. To me it´s also the same stress for the knife, either way.......
So... I'm confused... Do you think I should baton with my knife or not?
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I'm a baton guy. Once, ages ago, one rainy, cold late fall day up here in northern Ontario (Canada) I used my knife to 'baton' some wood to get a fire going when I was wet and alone waiting to be picked up (by my Dad) on a hunting trip. The knife was an old Grohmann #4 and they're an awesome bush knife but NOT state of the art by any means. I'm not going to say it saved my life, but I will say I was wet, cold and waiting, and batonning got me to dry wood for a fire. And that fire was a welcome addition to my day.
I always suggest to anyone who wants my dumb@$$ opinion to try to "use the right tool for the job." That's the way I was raised. And up here, in cold weather, the axe is King. But, I still baton whenever and whatever I feel like. And these days, now that I can afford it, I'm seldom out without a backup knife and folding saw, so, there's no harm if I break one of my pretty and overpriced bushcraft knives.
Oh, one thing I think you might have added... I think lots of knife makers and know-it-alls say not to baton simply because some guys DO baton, and break a knife (even a broken clock is right twice a day) and then flame the knife and company and whoever else they blame. I think that's where some of the "don't baton" folks get upset. To those folks I say, " You bought it, you break it - you do you, jack@$$." Just don't slag the company (or the steel etc.) if you break that knife abusing it. (I blame the innernet thing for that.) Now THAT really pi$$es me off.
I’m not against batoning. But with all my training never have I found a reason to spilt firewood with a knife. Many TH-cam reasons are just nonsense. One example is batoning wood to get to the dry center.
Now real uses you might need to cross baton or beaver cut a tree. This are real uses for batoning. One many don’t realize is batoning is a good test of heat treatment.
I gotta add my 2 cents on this as well. D2 which is a great steel. My problem is many knives are listed as D2 are very questionable heat treatments. Also D2 has many different types. Chinese D2 equivalent is what many of us are making opinions about. Any thing coming from China is worse then the old saying “it was made by the lowest bidder “.
American D2 is very good and CPM D2 is very good. In my experiences with D2 is it’s hard to sharpen and it’s very easy to get chips, which require more sharpening.
It’s been my experience I prefer spring steel. When using a chopper or a machete I prefer toughness over edge retention and ease of sharpening. 5160, 1075,8670,1066.
People seem to believe marketing. If you want a knife to use and abuse, then you want carbon steel. If you want something to collect and keep without much maintenance then stainless.
Stainless has really come a long way it’s hard and very good for a folder . But if it’s something you need to depend your life on spring steel is the way to go.
Well I went sideways again, who got your batoning feelings raging 😡 ? lol I’m seriously now looking at knife videos for someone talking sh#$!
Lol. I can’t say
I baton with a Condor Bushman parang constantly during winter but mainly on pine to make pine kindling. It is by far the best and safest method. I use an axe to make hardwood splinters (chipping) also for kindling. Using a knife to baton Iron bark hardwood would not be sensible. I think if the heat treat on d2 is bad, then they can chip badly, which is what I hate more than anything in a knife. If it chips I want to throw it away because resharpening is painful and time consuming.
Just came home from work and found my 3 rd mtech m151 in the mail box ples a few old time cold steel knives 😁
I regularly baton my folders at work to cut rope or thick wire and I use a hammer to do that.
Other than some dings on the spine and having to touch the edge up if I am cutting over a steel surface the knife is fine.
D2 is great stuff tbh, holds a magnificent edge, is actually very stain resistant for its edge retention (11% chromium gives it plenty resistance to oxidation) and is not nearly as brittle as backyard survivalists wanna make you believe. Another one they crap on online is aus8, along with the 440 steels, a, b and c, all of which are great steels for the price, whose reputation has been tarnished by poor quality manufacturers and is still tarnished to this day by people who are too squeamish to use ‘em. But then they’ll praise steels like vg10 or 154cm and n690, which are pretty much the same as the unsexy sounding 440c, both chemically and practically, definitely to the extent where those steels aren’t worth the extra price for any real reason save bragging rights towards other people who are just as delusional as them.
now this may sound crazy but i make knives and if youre blade breaks from batoning it wasnt that good of a knife i take 3 inch long blades and absolutely beat the snot out of the batoning across the grain on a 2x4 and they hold up great i even have people who baton constantly with the knives using them to process firewood and theyve never had issues the only thing i will tell people is not to baton using metal because the harden steel of a hammer hitting the harden blade steel can cause micro fractures but a wood baton or rubber or deadblow hammer or whatever shouldnt cause problems
Right. And if it does break the knife already had a problem
@@peterbiltknifeguy true
In short I would only really ever baton a knife that i wouldnt care about breaking if it did. *However* if i was in a situation where I only had one knife on me and it was a better/pricier knife, and it was the only thing i could use to cut whatever i needed to cut at that time.....
Yes....i would baton the shit out of that knife, even if it meant using a heavy stone as the baton. Especially if it was a survival situation.
I love batoning. I even do it with folders 😱 and d2 🤯
Me too lol
You are a satin person. How dare you sir .
Hell yea Dennis! Me too! Haha.👊🤘💪🤣
I’ve never had a issue with D2 steel. Certain companies do very good with it and that’s when D2 can be impressive. It’s tough, gets a wicked edge and holds a good edge. I still baton my knives. It feels so good. Hahaha. Nice video bud.👊💪
@@WhatsthePOINT_EDC heck yeah. I really like d2 when done right
I baton with knives all of the time and never really had any problems, especially since the majority of time its either a knife made by ESEE or Surive! Knives.
I think any knife with a decent blade thickness (at least 1/8", personal preference of 1/4") AND a good heat treatment should be ok.
I agree and do the same
What about a froe? They baton wood for a living and it’s basically a knife with the handle turned 90 degree in also pro baton for a knife should be able to do that with no issue
I’ll also add buck compadre froe for an example as it’s more knife shaped
2:09 Who is that youtuber?
😊thanks for sharing
Maxpedition did quite well, and they're knock offs of Mad Dog knives! I love my LLCP Maxpedition, there's not one type of steel that you can only depend on for this and that, Horseshit. That would be hilarious if an actual Mad Dog broke or didn't fair as well as the Maxpedition, haha. Joe X needs to get ahold of a Mad Dog blade, guarantee you he'd expose that it just isn't worth those thousands of dollars.
Baton away bros ...it's part of the fun !😊
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I was explaining (in a forum) to a rather infamous knife maker how I broke one of his knives batoning. He asked if I twisted or pried to separate the wood at the end. When I mentioned that I commonly do so, he said no wonder it broke and I was attacked by the forum’s groupies like I should have known better.
Almost like he had all his minions trained...
Oh, he also told me I should only baton soft woods...
You should only baton Swiss cheese and butter. Also if that’s who I think it is, don’t bother Mike on Saturdays, he doesn’t like putting up with criticism on Saturdays :)
Lol
while we are on the subject of physics ....... you skipped over a "physic" of batoning which does make it 3 or 4 times harder on your knife explanation : chopping you are not compressing the blade inbetween to objects batoning you are and that is where the added harshness comes from............ That being said I believe in batoning 100% .
Only a bear poo poos in da woods....LOL...Nice job and I am not judging....Good stuff...
I’m a bear? 😱
Lol. Thanks Scott
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D2 sucks bro. WTF! 😂 just kidding. Wander tactical does an amazing job on the heat treat of their D2. You can bet your life on it. I own several D2 blades I have put through its paces minor edge breakouts but sharpened right out for its next use. And I’m not talking about my wander tactical knives. Other makers of D2.
Well if there was a microfracture/pressurepoint, on the spine portion of the knife, and you did baton it through, it could break... and if there wasn't a microfracture it would take an astronomical amount of force to break it like that, something's going to have to give, either the hand, the wood or the knife, or the Baton, find the right piece of wood, my hand won't give away, good hardwood baton can break anything, but you got to ask, what makes microfractures, massive abuse should make microfractures especially with what kind of Steel it is and how it is he treated everything has a Breaking Point, smash the holy hell out of the back of your knife with a large hardwood branch, still might take 3000 pounds per square inch and a sonic boom, you know I'm a keyboard Warrior, let me debunk God for you, every lady I ever came across liked me literally, but I'm the only young man, that's actually a man, I can chop wood with my knife, all them other Prissy boys play video games, like my older brother
Knife Karen’s are a dime a dozen. They do love tellin us how to spend our hard earned money….