22 mag is a great idea born at end of fifties for give us a real inovation...... 17hmr its fun shooting caliber of end of century. Inuits hunts enormous elks with a 22 mag its an extremelly lethal round close of an AR15 223 in far shooting ..... and oposite extreme ( years around are years of 500 SW and lot of big technology bets) INTRINSIC VALUE OF 22 WMR ( IN RIFLE) is just enormous like 357 mag after 38 sp.. (in handgun) 17 hmr is a good round not a revolution. i advice a multibarrel !! Cool to own a 22 lr/22wmr/ 17 hmr in one rifle.
I think theres different arguments for both, especially from my UK point of view. Both are excellent, but country laws for calibre dictate what can be taken.
@@charlessmith4242 Fifty fifty France Saudi (ksa) my english is weak. for me Elk or Moose are synomym. with reflextion time i think to big Deer in general case.... Reindeer deer.. elk... but FOR RIMFIRE HUNTING ITS PROHIBITED in France.(222 remington or over is minima in France . France exige 1000 joules minima at 100 meters with two others minima for bullet " in diameter and 45 grains in weight and no FMJ .. loool and in KSA its not same game)
I made an observation about 17 HMR vs 22 Mag when shooting them back to back in the wind, at 100 yards. I was getting 3" drift with the 17 and 1" with the 22 Mag. Makes hitting in gusty conditions easier with the maggie.
Very happy with my .22 WMR rifle. Bought it back in 2002 when the .17 HMR was just being introduced. Wasn't sure if the .17 HMR would take off or not. Both are capable rounds. I have no regrets on going with the .22 WMR. Its a solid performer out to 125 yards or so. Beyond that range, I will just switch over to .223 or .22-250.
@@dmg4415 if your shot placement is good, I think you could take rabbits out to 200 with both. Will be quite a bit of drop and movement beyond 150 yards on both.
I was really surprised by how much energy the .17 still had at 100 yds. It was still carrying enough energy to explode the bullet, which I wouldn't have expected that far out. Maybe I should trust ammo designers more, haha
22mag/22lr. 22 mag looks to have spent a lot of its energy on the inside of the block. The block is bulged all the way around as the 22 LR seems to have just punched through. I have four 22 mags and four 22 LR's. love both calibers.
Hey mate I love both 22lr & 22mag , got a bunch of both. Dropped the misus old voere 22lr off to get a custom .20/22lr squeeze bore barrel fitted . Basically a 1:10 twist .204 cal barrel with a forcing cone in front a std 22lr chamber. Wanted to do this for 30ish years , meant to pick up around 200fps with better bc & sd . Can’t wait to get it back.
Who-Tee-Who, Thanks. I have been shooting the 22 WMR since the mid to late Sixties, it is probably my favorite cartridge. I was not surprised at the out come of the 17 HMR vs the 22 WMR. I was very surprised at the out come of the 22 LR vs 22 WMR. The one thing I did notice that you skipped over was the bubbles left on the top and both sides of the clay block, shot with the 22 WMR it appeared to me that the 22 LR did appear to leave as large of wound channel as the 22 WMR. But when I consider the bulges on both sides and top left by the 22 WMR, I would have to say the 22 WMR delivered considerable more energy, and even shock. I thank you again for your time and knowledge of shooting, please keep up the good work!! Vaya Con Dios my good friend..
I've always been a big fan of .22 magnums. It's the bullet weight that gives them the edge. I've done so many ballistic tests back in the 1980's. I loved the Winchester .22 magnum jacketed hollow points. They're no longer made. I found them to perform the best of all of them. Perfect hunting cartridge. But, no longer made.
Yeah. I used to get Aussie made Winchester Maxx ‘PowerPoint’ 22Mag Subsonic 45gr JHPs. Great varmint round, and could easily take anything up to the size of the Fallow deer out to 100m, here in Tasmania (excepting our limits on minimum .243 caliber). I was able to get headshots on bunnies and feral cats out to around 85m. Unfortunately they stopped making it. I managed to get a carton of 1000 rounds ( the last whole one my supplier was able to get. I’m hoping that something new is brought to the market by the end of the year, because I’ll have real problems with the critters otherwise. Might have to revert to 22LR. Shock horror.
love your Clay block videos - I'm with you on this last one - I would never have guessed that the 22Lr would have one damage like that. Good vid guy....
For rimfire work, I'm sticking with the. 22lr. If I were to upgrade, I'd go with the. 22 mag., but anything that the.22lr. can't handle, I leave to the centerfires.
The 22lr v/s 22 mag Was very interesting. I would like to see more test on those two Maybe a ballistic gel test or maybe try different types of bullets It seems like the mag dumps all its energy at once and the LR pushes through more
It's like trying to choose which kid you love the most. Lol! Great comparison. Personally it's hard to tell which one is a definite winner. I have both of them and have lately been leaning towards my .17HMR over my 22 Win Mag. Used the .17 with Hornandy 20g hollow points on a hog hunt this past Saturday. Dropped a hog with a well placed ear shot at 65 yards. Took a few rabbits all the way out to 125 yards later in the day. How do you add pictures to these comments so I can post a pic of the hog to show how effective a round it is?
The 22 LR just bores the hole all the way through. The 22 mag has enough speed and bullet design to expand and dump more energy in the block, there's a big chamber inside of it. the 17HMR just explodes and dumps all it has at contact. I was on a Facebook squirrel forum and they like the 17hmr for laser tight head shots BUT hit em in the body and don't worry bout picking up anything but stew meat. Some guys quote.
I think the 17hmr gets a better initial impact energy but doesn't carry through very well because of its weight and the 22 mag really holds its energy and has more overall energy
the 22 mag in this example does have more overall energy. The 17 has about 330 joules while the 22 has about 420 joules. surprising since the 17 is moving a lot faster, and kinetic energy increases much greater with velocity.
Modern, current production 22lr is just so versatile, more than it's ever been. I love it. You can get lightweight, hyper velocity varmint rounds or heavy subsonic suppressor rdy stuff. Rounds like Velocitors that will (when fired from a full length bbl), mimic energies close to that of 380 from a pocket pistol. Pretty good option for defense from a rifle IMO. Love some 22 for sure. We live in an awesome time to enjoy firearms 👍
I think the .22 Mag probably won, but I also think you hit with the .17 HMR at a weird angle & that might have affected it. I'd like to see this test with FMJs.
They both hit on the corner. 17hmr did what it always does, blew up on impact. The 22wmr expanded and caused more damage with more penetration. You can drop a hog with the wmr, don't think I'd try it with a hmr.
This comes down to ammo selection, those TNT rounds for the 17hmr are made to explode upon impact compared to other hollow points and fmj rounds, hence the name TNT on the box.
A few observations... I suspect the results from both rounds would have been more violent/dramatic/damaging if the clay blocks weren't half frozen. I was surprised how small the exit hole was on the 22 Mag, again that might be due to the block being half frozen. I'm very impressed by all of the damage caused by a 17 grain projectile! Finally there are faster 22 Mag rounds, that CCI round even comes in a higher velocity +V version. Fun vid Adam!
I would love to see these comparisons in handguns at room ranges (fifteen to thirty feet) in the clay blocks for people who, for whatever reason, want/have to use a small caliber bedside gun. Noisewise, recoil, size, amount of rounds in some, really makes them a viable option for some. Before all of the haters come in, I know bigger is better but if you really don't think they are an option for some people, feel free to stand twenty feet away and take a few rounds and tell me how it feels. ;-) And I have multiple guns (long and short) in multiple calibers and carry a .380 or 9mm myself most of the time. I am also a pretty good shot (even under pressure) and would consider a .22LR or mag with a bunch of rounds as an option since I know I can put all of the rounds in the important places pretty quickly. :-) I would still love to see the two and the damage they do in the clay at realistic ranges. Great videos and always entertaining!
Good vid. A bit surprised at all those results actually. I’d love to see this test with the 17WSM, maybe in comparison to the 17HMR. I’ve recently acquired a 17WSM, and it seems to really do the business accuracy wise, and it does seem to pack quite a bit of punch for what it is. 20 grain projectile at 3000 fps dies sound tantalising, to say the least. And the clay block thing would really highlight that. Cheers from Down Under.
.22mag !! You can tell that the temperature of the clay had an effect; usually that .22mag blows through bigger. Whoops ! Just caught that the clay in the earlier shots was 10 pounders at 12 yds and these today were 15 at 100. I don't know.
Love the clay block videos! I think it would be cool if you put a piece of plywood or cardboard behind target to see what the bullet does to it after it comes out of the clay. If it does make it thru.
17HMR just because of the velocity. Amazing little round. Doesn't like a dirty bore. 50 rounds through my Savage and groups would double in size. Clean it and I was back in buisness. Edit after results- Wonder what the v-max version of each would do. I was suprised of the results. Typically 22 mag doesn’t expand and the 17 explodes..
always love the clay test with gel you just do not see the devastation of the bullet. to this day I remember back to boy scouts and the first time firing with a 22. the instructor shot a clay block before we even got to hold the rifle to impress upon us the damage a bullet could do.
I think a better/closer comparison would have been the 25 grain 22 Mag ammo vs the 17HMR. Hornady makes a 20 XTP load for the HMR. At least the 25 grain Mag load would have been closer to the 17 grain bullet. While I do agree that 22 Mag would win regardless, I believe the off center shot with the 17HMR made a difference in this test.
Who doesn't love some hot rimfire action? LOVE IT, cheap bing bangs, cheap ammo, and tight flung groups, if you don't like them apples, you wrong. My friend, if you really want to impress people and seperate your awesome really fun videos from their junk, please use the proper word "versus" and not use the wrong word "verse." vs. = Versus, that's fancy Latin. The clay videos are my favorite, thanks for doing another!
.22lr is my favourite by far with .17 an easy second place, (super accurate out to 150yrds or at least it’s easy to DOPE it). But that being said the .22 WMR was amazing!
There is a gent in our area, who has been hiring himself and his .22 Magnum rifle (I have no idea what make or model) out to several of our local farmers for cayote control since about 2000. I've been told he has rarely needed to take a second shot on any cayote due to the massive damage the .22 Mag does. I wish I knew of anyone in our area that uses a .17hmr for similar purposes but since the ammo is so rare around here, I can only assume no one is. Come to think of it, as I type, I can't recall seeing a new or used .17hmr for sale since we moved back home in 2019. I know I could stock up on .22 Magnum ammo with ease if I owned a rifle or revolver in the caliber but finding 17hmr ammo would be a real pain.
@@davidh9659 to be fair, neither the .22 or .17 will have a ton of energy left at those distances, but it’ll be easier to hit the target with the 17, simply because of the trajectory.
17wsm and 22 hornet maybe. But even there the 22 hornet stomps the 17hornet. 17 is just to small to do anything. Besides speed. Now the one thing that I think the 17 actually makes sense in is the 17hm2 but everyone has knocked that cartridge. So it'll never see the light enough to out do the 22lr
@@blueridgeboy6791 now you're talking rimfire versus centerfire. The 22 hornet would smoke the 17 wsm and is not evenly matched. After watching the video, if you kept the same 22 mag round and chose a 25 grain 17 wsm, it would be a much better comparison. You can't find many quality videos comparing the two and I'd be curious to see the results in the clay he uses.
I debated long and hard about 17 HMR vs 22WMR. I settled on the 22WMR, because it gives you the option of shooting the standard 40 grain, or a 30 grain hollow point made by CCI, which is obviously faster than the 40 grain. It bridges the gap nicely between the 17 HMR and the standard 22 WMR load. It is a very effective round. Options!
Know why people keep asking for more rimfire stuff? It's because you're the best at talking about rimfire ammo, the best I can find anyway. I quibble with your opinions sometimes, but I can't find anyone else who really considers the relative merits of rimfire, so thanks for that
This is a very good video you have got me wanting to start using Norma ammunition I've never tried it but I'm definitely going to I have a Marlin model 60 semi-auto in 22 long rifle I bet that ammo would do a number on a squirrel 🐿️
I thought that I saw part of the .22WMR bullet inside the clay block in the first test. What was the rifle that you used to shoot the .22LR? Another interesting thing about the .22LR block test is that the bullet didn't expand the block at all. With the .22WMR, the block was expanded significantly, particularly on the top. All of the energy from the .22LR went directly through the block on a cone shape.
The .17 hmr is definitely the superior round for its intended purpose: Varminting. You need to expend all that energy with less than 6 inches of penetration, and even though the .22 wmr has more steam, it's wasted in the dirt behind your target and not in the target itself.
Wasted? I don't think so, 2 holes are better than 1 any day. Shoot coyotes with these 2 holes bleed far more and faster. A 17 in the lungs will raise hell with a lung shot but the 22 mag does it better between the little rounds.
17 is a frangible round IIRC.. designed to break up and make several would channels... all energy delivered TO the target... maximum shock...22 mag blew thru....
@@Luckyrider1958 so the true test would have been to use TNT frangible rounds of both 17 and 22mag, or both non-frangible rounds, as the TNT rounds perform very differently from the standard rounds from my personal experience... that would have made it more interesting!
I worked in a gun shop and firing range for 6yrs. The .22magnum is a highly underrated round. I consider it a very potent personal protection round that you do not want to get hit with. Imagin that impact on your body?
For me the .22 mag is king of the rimfires!
🇺🇲🦝 Me too 🇺🇲🦝
Awesome with those clay blocks!! Never never under estimate that wonderful, beautiful, underrated 22 magnum.
Pretty impressive results by all of them. But the 22 magnum is "more-better" all around. Thank you sir.
22 mag is a great idea born at end of fifties for give us a real inovation...... 17hmr its fun shooting caliber of end of century. Inuits hunts enormous elks with a 22 mag its an extremelly lethal round close of an AR15 223 in far shooting ..... and oposite extreme ( years around are years of 500 SW and lot of big technology bets) INTRINSIC VALUE OF 22 WMR ( IN RIFLE) is just enormous like 357 mag after 38 sp.. (in handgun) 17 hmr is a good round not a revolution. i advice a multibarrel !! Cool to own a 22 lr/22wmr/ 17 hmr in one rifle.
I think theres different arguments for both, especially from my UK point of view. Both are excellent, but country laws for calibre dictate what can be taken.
@@alanaliyev456GT * What country are you from? Do you mean moose, instead of elk?
@@charlessmith4242 Fifty fifty France Saudi (ksa) my english is weak. for me Elk or Moose are synomym. with reflextion time i think to big Deer in general case.... Reindeer deer.. elk... but FOR RIMFIRE HUNTING ITS PROHIBITED in France.(222 remington or over is minima in France . France exige 1000 joules minima at 100 meters with two others minima for bullet " in diameter and 45 grains in weight and no FMJ .. loool and in KSA its not same game)
@@charlessmith4242 sorry i was sure yhan moose or elk was very close if not same beast
I made an observation about 17 HMR vs 22 Mag when shooting them back to back in the wind, at 100 yards. I was getting 3" drift with the 17 and 1" with the 22 Mag. Makes hitting in gusty conditions easier with the maggie.
I did not expect results like that at 100yds. Impressive!
Surprised me. Hard clay too
Big fella I had no idea those Calibers would spend as much energy 👍.... 22mags the clear winner
Very happy with my .22 WMR rifle. Bought it back in 2002 when the .17 HMR was just being introduced. Wasn't sure if the .17 HMR would take off or not. Both are capable rounds. I have no regrets on going with the .22 WMR. Its a solid performer out to 125 yards or so. Beyond that range, I will just switch over to .223 or .22-250.
I love both of them. Maybe more range with the 22wmr, maybe more energy with the .17hmr within 100 yards. Can't lose.
.17 HMR at which distance will it be to low energy for small game, like rabbits and so, and the same for .22WMR and a standard 40grain .22lr?
@@dmg4415 if your shot placement is good, I think you could take rabbits out to 200 with both. Will be quite a bit of drop and movement beyond 150 yards on both.
I was really surprised by how much energy the .17 still had at 100 yds. It was still carrying enough energy to explode the bullet, which I wouldn't have expected that far out. Maybe I should trust ammo designers more, haha
Hoo-Tee, that is an awesome performance captured of the 22 mag! Thanks for all you do!
The 17 hmr does really good with 20 grain game points. Blows right through ground hogs while the 17 grainers don't.
Stocked!
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I didn’t know just how destructive the 22 mag was until a friend had to get a pest off my fishing line. Color mr IMPRESSED!
22mag/22lr. 22 mag looks to have spent a lot of its energy on the inside of the block. The block is bulged all the way around as the 22 LR seems to have just punched through. I have four 22 mags and four 22 LR's. love both calibers.
Hey mate I love both 22lr & 22mag , got a bunch of both. Dropped the misus old voere 22lr off to get a custom .20/22lr squeeze bore barrel fitted . Basically a 1:10 twist .204 cal barrel with a forcing cone in front a std 22lr chamber. Wanted to do this for 30ish years , meant to pick up around 200fps with better bc & sd . Can’t wait to get it back.
This is gonna be a REALLY fun video!
Yes!!!
Love my 22 long 22 mag and 17hmr. Each gun is set up for a different purpose or mission.
Frankly I am impressed by both. I didn't think puny boolats like that would do so much damage. 😲
Well 12 gauge is ruff right?
Thas why u be nice to a man with a gun
Who-Tee-Who, Thanks. I have been shooting the 22 WMR since the mid to late Sixties, it is probably my favorite cartridge. I was not surprised at the out come of the 17 HMR vs the 22 WMR. I was very surprised at the out come of the 22 LR vs 22 WMR. The one thing I did notice that you skipped over was the bubbles left on the top and both sides of the clay block, shot with the 22 WMR it appeared to me that the 22 LR did appear to leave as large of wound channel as the 22 WMR. But when I consider the bulges on both sides and top left by the 22 WMR, I would have to say the 22 WMR delivered considerable more energy, and even shock. I thank you again for your time and knowledge of shooting, please keep up the good work!! Vaya Con Dios my good friend..
I've always been a big fan of .22 magnums. It's the bullet weight that gives them the edge. I've done so many ballistic tests back in the 1980's. I loved the Winchester .22 magnum jacketed hollow points. They're no longer made. I found them to perform the best of all of them. Perfect hunting cartridge. But, no longer made.
Thanks for watching Keith
Yeah. I used to get Aussie made Winchester Maxx ‘PowerPoint’ 22Mag Subsonic 45gr JHPs. Great varmint round, and could easily take anything up to the size of the Fallow deer out to 100m, here in Tasmania (excepting our limits on minimum .243 caliber). I was able to get headshots on bunnies and feral cats out to around 85m. Unfortunately they stopped making it. I managed to get a carton of 1000 rounds ( the last whole one my supplier was able to get. I’m hoping that something new is brought to the market by the end of the year, because I’ll have real problems with the critters otherwise. Might have to revert to 22LR. Shock horror.
@@andrewallason4530
So does anyone still make 22 mag. !!!
I hate to hear that quit making the Winchester that was my favorite.
Used to have an Anschutz 22 mag and it was one of my favorite calibers. It was always impressive how much energy they have
Ótimo duelo, eu particularmente prefiro o .17HMR
I love this...have a 22 WMR, interesting to see comparison 🤔🇺🇸
Have we found a medium the 17hmr won't shatter on impact in? Lets see.
I guess not. Lol
love your Clay block videos - I'm with you on this last one - I would never have guessed that the 22Lr would have one damage like that. Good vid guy....
The 17 and the 22 mag still have a lot of power at 100 yards
For rimfire work, I'm sticking with the. 22lr. If I were to upgrade, I'd go with the. 22 mag., but anything that the.22lr. can't handle, I leave to the centerfires.
That's how cheap people rationalize things.
@@Logan-py8we I prefer the term "thrifty" lol
The 22lr v/s 22 mag Was very interesting. I would like to see more test on those two Maybe a ballistic gel test or maybe try different types of bullets It seems like the mag dumps all its energy at once and the LR pushes through more
10 yards, lol.
It's like trying to choose which kid you love the most. Lol! Great comparison. Personally it's hard to tell which one is a definite winner. I have both of them and have lately been leaning towards my .17HMR over my 22 Win Mag. Used the .17 with Hornandy 20g hollow points on a hog hunt this past Saturday. Dropped a hog with a well placed ear shot at 65 yards. Took a few rabbits all the way out to 125 yards later in the day.
How do you add pictures to these comments so I can post a pic of the hog
to show how effective a round it is?
The 22 LR just bores the hole all the way through. The 22 mag has enough speed and bullet design to expand and dump more energy in the block, there's a big chamber inside of it. the 17HMR just explodes and dumps all it has at contact. I was on a Facebook squirrel forum and they like the 17hmr for laser tight head shots BUT hit em in the body and don't worry bout picking up anything but stew meat. Some guys quote.
I think the 17hmr gets a better initial impact energy but doesn't carry through very well because of its weight and the 22 mag really holds its energy and has more overall energy
the 22 mag in this example does have more overall energy. The 17 has about 330 joules while the 22 has about 420 joules.
surprising since the 17 is moving a lot faster, and kinetic energy increases much greater with velocity.
Modern, current production 22lr is just so versatile, more than it's ever been. I love it. You can get lightweight, hyper velocity varmint rounds or heavy subsonic suppressor rdy stuff. Rounds like Velocitors that will (when fired from a full length bbl), mimic energies close to that of 380 from a pocket pistol. Pretty good option for defense from a rifle IMO. Love some 22 for sure. We live in an awesome time to enjoy firearms 👍
Who defends w a rifle/ 12 guage here.
@@rayburns8019 Flash bang, then go in with the katana for home defense.
Fun for the whole family!
cant wait for the muzzle loader with different projectiles in the clay
I think you should do a squirrel hunting. Video
I think the .22 Mag probably won, but I also think you hit with the .17 HMR at a weird angle & that might have affected it.
I'd like to see this test with FMJs.
They both hit on the corner. 17hmr did what it always does, blew up on impact. The 22wmr expanded and caused more damage with more penetration. You can drop a hog with the wmr, don't think I'd try it with a hmr.
This comes down to ammo selection, those TNT rounds for the 17hmr are made to explode upon impact compared to other hollow points and fmj rounds, hence the name TNT on the box.
17 Winchester super mag is better then all
@@maxsolberg1804 Yes indeed, I have a Savage BMag HB in a Boyd’s stock. I love that rifle, it’s a tack driver.
100 yards--come on now.
I actually like the way You skip around on subjects. Makes it very interesting. Thank You very much. That 17 looks like fun. But We will see!
My pre-watch prediction is a better performance from the 22 mag. The 17 is speedy but I think the extra mass of the 22 will do more damage.
A few observations... I suspect the results from both rounds would have been more violent/dramatic/damaging if the clay blocks weren't half frozen. I was surprised how small the exit hole was on the 22 Mag, again that might be due to the block being half frozen. I'm very impressed by all of the damage caused by a 17 grain projectile! Finally there are faster 22 Mag rounds, that CCI round even comes in a higher velocity +V version. Fun vid Adam!
Speed kills. Ive never had a 22mag, but I’ve taken a ton of game with that little .17. It surprised me 20 years ago and still doesn’t let me down
@@johnperrotto64 Again, a test not even fair or scientific?
@@Freakingstang smallish game. Maybe not a whole, "ton."
I would love to see these comparisons in handguns at room ranges (fifteen to thirty feet) in the clay blocks for people who, for whatever reason, want/have to use a small caliber bedside gun. Noisewise, recoil, size, amount of rounds in some, really makes them a viable option for some. Before all of the haters come in, I know bigger is better but if you really don't think they are an option for some people, feel free to stand twenty feet away and take a few rounds and tell me how it feels. ;-) And I have multiple guns (long and short) in multiple calibers and carry a .380 or 9mm myself most of the time. I am also a pretty good shot (even under pressure) and would consider a .22LR or mag with a bunch of rounds as an option since I know I can put all of the rounds in the important places pretty quickly. :-) I would still love to see the two and the damage they do in the clay at realistic ranges. Great videos and always entertaining!
Ha! If attacked by a house-mouse.
Good vid. A bit surprised at all those results actually. I’d love to see this test with the 17WSM, maybe in comparison to the 17HMR. I’ve recently acquired a 17WSM, and it seems to really do the business accuracy wise, and it does seem to pack quite a bit of punch for what it is. 20 grain projectile at 3000 fps dies sound tantalising, to say the least. And the clay block thing would really highlight that. Cheers from Down Under.
22. Mag!! , way less wind drifting (17 hmr don’t like wind at all)
I love these clay blocks videos! 👍
.22mag !! You can tell that the temperature of the clay had an effect; usually that .22mag blows through bigger. Whoops ! Just caught that the clay in the earlier shots was 10 pounders at 12 yds and these today were 15 at 100. I don't know.
Both are impressive calibers
Love the videos you do
I’d like to see you test the 17 HMR FMJ ammo at 100 yards on the Clay Block.
Hornady self defense 45gr very accurate in ruger .22 mag
Love the clay block videos! I think it would be cool if you put a piece of plywood or cardboard behind target to see what the bullet does to it after it comes out of the clay. If it does make it thru.
I’m staying with my 17 HMR
I would never have guessed the 22LR would have had such impressive results. My money was on the 22 Mag for sure. I really enjoyed the video! Thanks.
17HMR just because of the velocity. Amazing little round. Doesn't like a dirty bore. 50 rounds through my Savage and groups would double in size. Clean it and I was back in buisness. Edit after results- Wonder what the v-max version of each would do. I was suprised of the results. Typically 22 mag doesn’t expand and the 17 explodes..
always love the clay test with gel you just do not see the devastation of the bullet. to this day I remember back to boy scouts and the first time firing with a 22. the instructor shot a clay block before we even got to hold the rifle to impress upon us the damage a bullet could do.
I think a better/closer comparison would have been the 25 grain 22 Mag ammo vs the 17HMR. Hornady makes a 20 XTP load for the HMR. At least the 25 grain Mag load would have been closer to the 17 grain bullet.
While I do agree that 22 Mag would win regardless, I believe the off center shot with the 17HMR made a difference in this test.
I really REALLY love this type of videos. Well done Mr. Adam
Thanks for watching Juan!
The .17 is better for distance though.
Should put the blocks in a kiln and have a bake sale! Awesome vids dude!
Here's an idea. How about comparing a .222 against a .444 in the clay block test? I know they're totally different but it would be fun!
Never heard of a .444.
The triple deuce vs the triple quad
The 17 hmr did what it was made to do!
Who doesn't love some hot rimfire action? LOVE IT, cheap bing bangs, cheap ammo, and tight flung groups, if you don't like them apples, you wrong.
My friend, if you really want to impress people and seperate your awesome really fun videos from their junk, please use the proper word "versus" and not use the wrong word "verse." vs. = Versus, that's fancy Latin. The clay videos are my favorite, thanks for doing another!
Different mass of blocks, different distances and different temperatures. Comparing oranges to bananas.
Every party has a pooper 😝
What a great job of showing the ability of 22cal and mag to I can justify the difference in price.
I always like the 22 mag more then the 17 hmr!
I love em all!
Never underestimate a rim fire, i've always been a fan of both .22 lr and wmr
I love the clay blocks. Oh no Mr. Bill!
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Bwahahaha!
Dang I'm pretty shocked how the 22 warped the clay!
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@@WHOTEEWHO watch the video again..... the 17 warped the clay not the 22mag. lol
Over 20 yesrs ago we picked up a Marlin. 22 mag. It puts every shot through the same ragged hole at 100 yds. She's a keepah!
.22lr is my favourite by far with .17 an easy second place, (super accurate out to 150yrds or at least it’s easy to DOPE it). But that being said the .22 WMR was amazing!
There is a gent in our area, who has been hiring himself and his .22 Magnum rifle (I have no idea what make or model) out to several of our local farmers for cayote control since about 2000. I've been told he has rarely needed to take a second shot on any cayote due to the massive damage the .22 Mag does. I wish I knew of anyone in our area that uses a .17hmr for similar purposes but since the ammo is so rare around here, I can only assume no one is. Come to think of it, as I type, I can't recall seeing a new or used .17hmr for sale since we moved back home in 2019. I know I could stock up on .22 Magnum ammo with ease if I owned a rifle or revolver in the caliber but finding 17hmr ammo would be a real pain.
This video came at the perfect time, I was trying to decide which to get out of these
Thanks for watching Joe
Out to 150-200 yards I’m taking the 22 WMR all day. Past that is where the 17 HMR shines due to its flatter trajectory.
Past 200yards the 17HMR is going to be waaaay down energywise. For smaller type varmints and the likes, sure.
@@davidh9659 to be fair, neither the .22 or .17 will have a ton of energy left at those distances, but it’ll be easier to hit the target with the 17, simply because of the trajectory.
@@MulletDestructur true. thought people tend to overestimate the HMR's capabilities
All I gotta hear is blocks of clay! Love you, bro.
The .22 WMR is a highly underrated cartridge these days, but every farmer and rancher has one!
That little clay Mando is not happy he just got splattered to Clay Salido
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This is a really fun video! Just what I've been looking for...thanks!
Great video! Been wanting to see that. Thanks
Man I didn't see that coming thanks for the video and I still like Spitzer rounds
Another great video I love both of those rounds
That was awesome would like to see what the 17 wsm would do to the clay or the 17 hornet
You've got to pick up a .17 WSM and compare that to the .22 mag. That would be much more evenly compared.
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17wsm and 22 hornet maybe. But even there the 22 hornet stomps the 17hornet. 17 is just to small to do anything. Besides speed. Now the one thing that I think the 17 actually makes sense in is the 17hm2 but everyone has knocked that cartridge. So it'll never see the light enough to out do the 22lr
@@blueridgeboy6791 now you're talking rimfire versus centerfire. The 22 hornet would smoke the 17 wsm and is not evenly matched. After watching the video, if you kept the same 22 mag round and chose a 25 grain 17 wsm, it would be a much better comparison. You can't find many quality videos comparing the two and I'd be curious to see the results in the clay he uses.
I debated long and hard about 17 HMR vs 22WMR. I settled on the 22WMR, because it gives you the option of shooting the standard 40 grain, or a 30 grain hollow point made by CCI, which is obviously faster than the 40 grain. It bridges the gap nicely between the 17 HMR and the standard 22 WMR load. It is a very effective round. Options!
Know why people keep asking for more rimfire stuff? It's because you're the best at talking about rimfire ammo, the best I can find anyway. I quibble with your opinions sometimes, but I can't find anyone else who really considers the relative merits of rimfire, so thanks for that
Appreciate you watching 🙏
Excellent demonstration as always.
22 mags always be my favourite.
Cheaper and easier to find ammunition ,good all rounder.
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17hmr is far and away the better cartridge
Thanks for the video. I like the clay blocks. They show what even a small round can do.
This is a very good video you have got me wanting to start using Norma ammunition I've never tried it but I'm definitely going to I have a Marlin model 60 semi-auto in 22 long rifle I bet that ammo would do a number on a squirrel 🐿️
I prefer 17 hmr using 20 grain hp i use for 300 and in the 17 hmr is more consistent ammo for sure love both though
Would love to see you take a look at the .22 Hornet! You might take a liking to it!
Think the .22 mag clay block had the flu! It vomited it guts all over the place!😆
.22 mag was a jacketed projectile the .22 LR was a lead projectile at 1700 fps at that speed lead is very violent as demonstrated
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You should use play-doh over top or mixed in with your clay... call it “colored clay”?
Give your clay some flavor to savor
Love the clay shots!!!
Hey Ken!
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I thought that I saw part of the .22WMR bullet inside the clay block in the first test.
What was the rifle that you used to shoot the .22LR?
Another interesting thing about the .22LR block test is that the bullet didn't expand the block at all. With the .22WMR, the block was expanded significantly, particularly on the top. All of the energy from the .22LR went directly through the block on a cone shape.
Thank you very much I’ve been telling everybody that a 22 mag it’s still better than 17 HMR
The .17 hmr is definitely the superior round for its intended purpose: Varminting. You need to expend all that energy with less than 6 inches of penetration, and even though the .22 wmr has more steam, it's wasted in the dirt behind your target and not in the target itself.
Wasted? I don't think so, 2 holes are better than 1 any day. Shoot coyotes with these 2 holes bleed far more and faster. A 17 in the lungs will raise hell with a lung shot but the 22 mag does it better between the little rounds.
17 is a frangible round IIRC.. designed to break up and make several would channels... all energy delivered TO the target... maximum shock...22 mag blew thru....
@@Luckyrider1958 so the true test would have been to use TNT frangible rounds of both 17 and 22mag, or both non-frangible rounds, as the TNT rounds perform very differently from the standard rounds from my personal experience... that would have made it more interesting!
Love them both, i like 17 because i tend to get better accuracy
Heavier bullet in the 22mag is what I prefer
Greetings friend from a venezuelan living in Lima Perú.
just love them holarpoints
I worked in a gun shop and firing range for 6yrs. The .22magnum is a highly underrated round. I consider it a very potent personal protection round that you do not want to get hit with. Imagin that impact on your body?
Hell yeah. Great video. Always wanted to see this comparison outside of Boring gelatin tests.
I missed the shotgun start. Watching the rerun, it's still fun.
Them “holler” points are impressive
Awesome video. I've found quite a bit of rimfire ammo online but some of it is expensive.