Should I Buy a Zero Turn or Tractor?
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- This video goes over a common question many homeowners ask, should I buy a zero turn or tractor? I go over the pros and cons of both, and do a couple tests to help you decide which is best for your property.
The John Deere X730 and Z540M are used in this video, but the information given is applicable to most garden/lawn tractors and residential zero turns.
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you forgot the most important advantage of the tractor. you can drink beer while mowing.
Haha, that's a good point.
@damage control x series John Deere tractors have a cup holder
Thank you!😊 👍
@damage control Oh yes they do.My X-534 came with a cup holder and a closable tool box built into the fender.There is a second storage area under the seat too.(small tools,pistol,cellphone,etc.)
You can drink beer with zero turn just get hat with can holders on it and a straw to your mouth or a camel backpack like military.
With the zero turn, it's very easy to pop wheelies. This should be a pro!
Popping wheelies and no 3 point turns! Lol
You can pop wheelies with a 700 series, I have seen it.
😂😂😂
Just this past Sunday, my wife's cousin was using his zero-turn to mow around his tank dam. Ever notice how the zero-turn mowers have the weight distributed mostly over the heavy rear wheels, and not much weight on the center or front? Anyhow, he was mowing the sloped bank. Evidently went down toward the water front first, rotated 360, and as soon as he hit the gas the mower did a wheelie. His wife found him several hours later, dead in the water. The balancing is waaay different than tractor models, which typically have the engine above or in front of the mower mechanism, followed by the mowing deck, followed by the rear gearbox and wheels.
His funeral is tomorrow, July 24. Think twice about those zero-turn mowers.
@@dandcarter Thank you for your important comment and so sorry for your family's tragic loss.
I expect this mower will last several seasons with decent care. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend Also, I ran across the problem with it not starting the 2nd time I used it. There is a safety switch which is pushed in by the chute or mulching piece being attached to the deck. I took the cover off and it wouldn't start. Put it back on, no problem. It takes only a minute with 2 easily accessible wingnuts and no tools. This mower starts up first crank each time and it is a joy to use. It also mows in reverse by putting the key to the reverse area after starting and pushing in the triangular button. It will stay in reverse mode until you turn it off. All in all, for my homeowner needs, I really like this mower-and at 70 bucks a cut here in Miami, it's already more than 1/3 paid for itself in a month.
I will soon be 70 years old. I had cut with tractor style mowers, snapper styled mowers and push mowers for around 60 years. I bought a zero turn about 10 years ago. I am about to replace it with another zero turn. The zero turn maintains traction much better than a tractor style on uneven ground, slopes, and wet ground. The tractors have a differential that lets one wheel spin, and stick you, before you know it. The zero turn is better than any differential lock, or positive traction. You have complete control over traction. This also means that the zrt climbs slopes much better than a tractor, but you do have to be careful of flipping over backwards. I can cut along slopes, with the zero turn that would turn a tractor style over, and the tractor style will also lose traction on the up hill tire, on a slope. You just have to learn how to keep the ztr on a slope by feathering your steering levers, and keeping your speed moderate. As far as implements, fabricating a rear hitch for the ztr has worked well for me. This video has already proved the cutting speed and relative safety of using that speed, is superior on the ztr. I won't buy another tractor style mower. Please pardon the length of this post.
No worries, your input is appreciated. It sounds like your fabricated hitch works well too. What attachments have you used with that?
I don't really use any attachments. The "hitch" is just a medium sized, forged eye bolt, that I reinforced the rear part of the frame and drilled a hole through it to attach the eye bolt. I can pull a small trailer, or hook a chain to it to drag limbs and such. It's kind of handy, but you couldn't use a snow blower or blade with it. I am in the semi deep south , so we don't need snow blowers, and I have a couple of fair sized farm tractors for blading, lifting and such.
buy one of each, I did and love them both
Congrats to you Elon Musk. 😂
So did I.
zero turn is also much heavier and will dig up your yard or get stuck to where the tractor mower will ride right over where the zero turn gets stuck.
Tractors looks so much better
You probably just saved me big bucks. I live on a mountain side property and have trouble mowing with tractors, they don't get the traction I need if the grass is damp at all and they are tippy with the seat sitting way up in the air for visibility. I was about to buy a zero turn because of it's wide, low stance and the factor that both rear wheels are powered. But your assessment shows that I'm better off staying with the tractor.
Oh ... and ... yeah ... popping a wheelie while climbing a 30° hill would not be a good thing.
Just remember, a tractor is still dangerous on hills, especially if it’s a smaller lawn tractor. Always mow straight up and down the hill and don’t mow sideways.
Tractors are alittle more rugged and versatile.. I've pulled out stumps, pushed/pulled cars.. pulled a 4wheeler out of a pond etc..
That's a good point. If your doing more than just mowing.
Good video, "in addition" it was very informative, "in addition" I learned a lot. Thanks.
I have a Husqvarna TS354XD GT. I absolutely love it, it's a little beast, has never let me down, and for the money you can't beat it. However those John Deere 700 series GTs are absolutely on a whole other level! They are definitely extremely expensive, but they come decked out with a lot of top tier features. I would definitely sacrifice my mother's first born son to own one!
I mowed a huge steep hill at my brothers on a tractor style and went sideways. I got a zero turn this year and im mowing it up and backwards then up in a new row. I suggest a ariens mower. Made in the usa and its a bright color so you are visible from distance when unloading and loading. Thats just my opinion tho.
unfair mowing test on the tractor at the beginning there. you don't get to the end then reverse to come back directly next to your previous strip, you turn it full lock and come back one strip width apart then come back again one strip width apart on the opposite side of the first strip then return again on the strip missed then skip the remaining missed strip, leaving another missed strip on the next run and mowing each missed strip on each alternating pass.
If you can make a TH-cam video of the process you described. I think only about 5% of people who mow understand what you are talking about.
No, he's very clear, but maybe because after I bought my first lawn tractor (an old LX-172) within three cuttings I'd also figured out that it was the most efficient way to offset the machine's the wide turning radius. Getting back to cut immediately adjacent to the strip just mowed takes too much maneuvering with a tractor. Instead you eyeball how wide the next strip would be and turn tight enough to mow the 2nd strip over. When you're done you end up with alternating pairs of two adjacent strips mowed in the same direction. Nonetheless I now use a zero turn because my mowing machine does nothing but mow and I do like the improved maneuverability.
Still not as fast as a zero turn.
Zac Johnson this is the proper way but no matter how hard I try I can never guess the width properly
Damn im drunk now.
My zero turn cut mowing time from 4.20 hours from the tractor to just 1.20 hours for the JD zero turn and whats more it’s fun doing it! I use the tractor for towing a trailer now and it does that well.
Why so slow with the Z-turn? I sold my JD tractor and bought a Toro Zero-turn. This cut my mowing time on a 2-1/2 acre lot from 4 hours to 1-1/2 hours. Although the mower is 3 speeds forward, I mow using the slowest speed. If I don't I'll have whirlpools in my pee for about a week after each mowing. I also use the Toro for hauling a large trailer and I feel much safer going up steep slopes. I needed a 35 lb. weight on the front of my JD tractor to mow the same hills and I still didn't feel comfortable. I can't be sure but I think the zero turn has a lower center of gravity.
Tractor? Great video! If you’re only wanting to cut grass like most folks this is a good comparison.
As you said this is a “lawn” or “garden” tractor (where I started)...A zero turn will cut grass probably better than anything else on the market.
However, I would encourage anyone with a half acre or more to go check out a sub compact tractor and go sit on one at a dealership!
There’s a fast growing market in the sub compact tractor world with organic foods, gardening, and hobby farms in the suburbs growing more popular every day!
The manufacturers have definitely taken notice!...
You can easily step up into a JD 1025R, a Kubota 23S, a Mahindra Emax, RK24, or any other brand of sub compact tractor which opens up a world of possibilities of doing some serious work like moving piles of mulch and rocks, to cutting trenches with a backhoe all while still being able to get a decent cut on your lawn!
I’ve learned there is a huge difference between a “lawn or garden tractor”. Once you sit on a subcompact tractor; you really do start looking at lawn mowers differently. A real tractor like a sub compact tractor is a serious investment. And it is pretty common for folks to have both a sub compact tractor and a mower...
Jon@SBYD!
Sub Compact tractors are definitely a step up and will prove more useful if you’re planning on doing more ground engaging work with with something like a tiller.
Thanks for bringing them up, it’s certainly something for people to consider.
I was considering a subcompact JD 1023, because I have an acre, and my wife wants to garden, but my Father-in-law lent me his Kubota, and I discovered that most of the garden-worthy areas are too steep for tractor work(start popping wheelies when you dig that front bucket down). I cleared the one area that was in the safer zone of work, but the rest will have to be done with a shovel & hoe, or buy a used tiller. For mowing, I'm looking at a lawn tractor with lockable diffs, because the majority of my yard is a long and steep slope. It's brutal with a push mower and takes hours.
I did not need a ZTR, but I bought it for the fun factor. I never regretted it.
You can get both with the husqavarna zero turn it front deck gets under most tight spots and will take a snow blower plus utility trailer
If you ever go zero turn you will never go back. Better mower you get the faster you cut.
Its not how fast you mow. But how well you mow fast.
@@scottcozart8950 Exactly. There's a practical limit of how fast you can go and still get a good cut. Just because a ZT can hit a top speed of 8-10 mph doesn't mean you can cut grass well at that speed.
@@channell11 hell i bought a brand new kabota z411. Ithere is no way i could mow wide open on it. You cant even control it at that speed. I cant anyway. But i love it. Best damn mower ive ever owned!!!
The 8-10 mph is just for boogying back to the house for another beer.
@@dchawk81 True, but the real professional rigs a small cooler to his mower for on-the-go refueling.
First when you mow in a field with the tractor you don't go back and forth in the same lane, you use divide and conquer which you make one cut down the middle going back and forth to each side till you get to far apart at the ends where you loss time cause of distance between lines, then you pick out a new middle and start again, you don't have to back up after the second line you make which will save you some time. Another way a tractor is better is in a big field is to have a tractor with 3 point hitch so you hook a gang mower system, in a big field the wider the cut the better the time you will save and zero turn becomes far less important like a John Deere 1070 with a 6 foot belly mower and two toro walk behinds used as gang mowers 52 inches each, with overlap this comes out to 13ft 2inch cut. With that size who needs zero turn in big fields, when the big fields are knock down to size you can unhook one the zero turn toros to cut around the small stuff which I had a seat for it. I also uses a hustler zero turn 12 foot mower which didn't work out because of all the hills in our area, it would get stuck too many times and didn't spread grass good enough.
I just need a bigger garage so I can have one of each. I am one of "those" that actually enjoys cutting the yard. I find it very therapeutic.
I agree, especially if you work inside a lot. It’s a nice break
@@TheTractorFactor that is what I do, sit behind a desk 6 to 8 hours a day😫
I certainly agree, mowing is a nice break from that. Helps clear the head too 🙂
Yes, it's very relaxing. I listen to music with earbuds connected to my phone and the time flys.
@@sptrader6316 same!
Spray Roundup around every tree and building. Then you don't need a ZTR mower.
Yeah, but you have a yard that looks like shit
The prices on these lawn mowers are too damn high!
Exactly! I ended up buying a Craftsman riding mower for $1,000 at Lowes with free delivery. No way I could justify spending more than that on a mower!
@@karensachez8819 I wonder how long yours will last
@@chaboi7 they’re extremely simple to work on and typically have Briggs engines, meaning it’ll last forever with simple maintenance and repairs.
Yes.......
@@chaboi7 dude I have a lt300 from the 90s, same battery on it and I forgot to put it away in the winter and it starts right up every season without hesitation lol best little mower I’ve ever had.. bulletproof Briggs 20hp
Had zero turns for 30 years now, would never go back. Mow ditches that would roll a tractor every time, just have to learn how to handle slopes. Lower center of gravity on the zero turn will let it slide down hill instead of roll over, there's a knack to it for sure. What used to take four hours go do is now half that saving a lot of hours on machine. Much better machines out there than green ones in my opinion.
KIts are available for the zero turns for pulling carts, etc.
kubota hasa tow hitch kit option aswell a snowblower,blade attachments for year round tool on zds plus build in jack system in front
You have better traction with the 'Zero Turn" because the weight of the engine in the rear..
With the tractor , instead of mowing back and forth just drive in circles so you will not have to go back and forth.
Zero turn is the only way to go if your main job is cutting a lot of grass. Almost (3) times faster, better job, less belt replacement.
I have both.
Basically, tractors are superior in most ways and ZTM are one trick ponies, but that one trick is very important for large and quick mows, which is why lawn care companies all use them.
I hate, hate, having to use a tractor! I can use my Z turn and cut my trimming and cutting time in 1/2. it's never been an issue on slopes. I have to mow about 35 yards a week in the summer and would be loosing money every time I mowed using a tractor.
have an old L130 and while I agree it doesn't have the manual ability of the zero-turn, it still gets the work done, that's all. Also, zero-turn are very expensive now to buy it Jaja. Awesome video.
Thank you!
I was thinking the same thing. Mist the zero runs are 1000 to 1500 more than it's similar deck tractor mowers now.
Ugh this sucks cause I am on a large property in North Carolina that has all sorts of terrain with hills and slants and if the grass is wet certain spots will sink in around the tires of the mowers but I have been using Lawn Tractors to mow since I've been here an even they get stuck sometimes in certain areas where the hills or slants are. But I wanted to make my next purchase a Zero Turn cause with the Tractors wie turning radius it makes it so difficult to mow strip by strip by strip right next to each other. Like i get to the end of 1 strip and i can't just turn around right there and do my next strip so i end up making a wide turn and going out of my way oing extra riving only to come back to the next strip. Zero Turn would completely eliminate that hassle. But now I'm worried about the front caster wheels getting stuck since you mentioned it here. I dunno what to do now. I have been mowing with the Troy-Bilt Bronco Tractor for the last few years but the belt keeps falling off lately every time I disengage the blades and I'd just keep sliding the belt back on each time several times per mow and now the blades aren't engaging at all for some reason and I'm basically done with it and want something better. I want atleast 20 Horsepower and hopefully atleast 46'' deck. Looking for something in the $2000 dollar range.
With that terrain, you will certainly need a tractor, no zero turn will perform adequately. And if we’re getting a tractor with your budget, it will have to be used, which isn’t a bad thing. However, you will have to be comfortable spending some time and money for maintenance.
Now as for the model, I’ll speak for John Deere. For your situation, we have two options. An older model from the 90s such as a 425 or 455. Both are solid machines and are over 800 lbs which is good for rough terrain.
The next option is an older 500 series from the early/mid 2000s. These aren’t as heavy, but they are still solid machines that should work for you.
If you’re buying used, it’s important to do homework so issues and good/bad prices can easily be spotted. Also, I’m sure other brands have good machines too, but I’m not as familiar with them.Let me know if you have further questions.
Hey you forgot that It can rake hay I have done it with my gx 255 John Deere mower and it does it easy
Tractor if you want to pull a cart or use implements and zero turn if you have a lot of things to go around
Four-wheel steering on a big honkin' tractor works just as well for going around things. Can you put a snow blower on a Zero turn ?
You can tow a cart and there's snow attachments for zero turns.
I'm 81 years and a bad back mow 4 acres used a J.D x-740 w/a 62"deck decided I wanted a 72' mower bought a J.D.997 commercial 72"mowed 3 part days and need more back surgery stay away from a ZTM if your old and creaky gonna dump that commercial and get another tractor.
some zero turns have a spring system for the deck and rider that most of them do not have. I'm told the ones with the spring shock system are much more comfortable for riders.
If the lawn is simple with nothing to turn around , tractor but things to go around zturn , one would zturns would handel slopes better due to their lower profile
Good video! How about doing one with the X-734 AWS? Thx
Thank you! I don’t currently have a X734 AWS, but I’ll try to borrow one for a future video.
I'd use a X-739 ... They rock out a challenging yard...
I have both a new z turn z530 r John Deere with Kawasaki engine 60 inch cut. Ax360 riding John deere mower. And finally a craftsman z turn with a kohler engine 54 inch cut. I would say if you open area .no trees etc go with finding tractor but if you have alot of obstacles go go around . Go with zero turn. A zero turn should be faster than a lawn tractor. If you have carpool tunnel syndrome the z turns will make it worse. Lawn tractors slow. Z turns faster
So with the tractor I get more fun time in the yard riding and cutting, cutting and riding... what's not to like?
Thanks I will need the tractor!!!
You forgot to mention that a tight turn on a zero turn ( like in your race) will tear up the grass with the inside wheel, second any shilled user of either unit would cut in a manner that allow for wider turns and obstacles in their way or take care of the obstacles first and map out their yard (in their mind) before cutting to limit unnecessary reversing of the mowers. Ut as far as both units are concerned, if the user does not possess common sense then neither a tractor or a zero turn unit is appropriate for them!
Yes, that’s a great point to bring up, you have to be careful.
Thank you for the video, very helpful and informative!
You’re welcome! I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Which tractor is the cheapest that DOESNT have the plastic transmission?
The only Deere tractor to my knowledge with a plastic transmission is the lowest E series model. Everything else has an aluminum casted transmission.
So the E100 is the only one that has it? And if I buy an E110 I should be good? I called my local authorized JD Dealer and JD customer service directly. I got three different responses but the local dealer said the 110 and up doesn’t have it. I’m making a purchase Saturday. Fingers crossed I get a solid tractor.
I would trust what your local dealer says, as that aligns with what I said. You can also look under the tractor to check for yourself. And enjoy your new tractor!
@@sergioluevano4648 Buy an x3oo series John Deere. Well built tractors. If you are on a budget buy a decent used one, even if it is ten years old.
Wish I watched this before buying a Zero turn. Not good for my situation. I have several acres to mow and some areas have slopes and almost permanently wet ground with grass on the wet ground. I rarely have cut without having to go out with my 4 wheel drive pickup and drag it out of wet ground. It also just slides sideways on moist ground right into the worst muddy areas. I also need to tow a 30 gallon sprayer and cannot do it, just never thought it out. I am sure a cool Zero turn is the ticket for some but I made a huge mistake getting one. I have 17 hours on a new Zero Turn and need to sell it. Ugh!
Don’t worry too much, you’ll lose some money but provided you don’t put anymore hours on, it won’t be much.
I’d go to your dealer and explain the issue, they should help you out.
Also, keep in mind, a small lawn tractor won’t fare much better in the yard you’re describing. If you have hills and wet ground, you’ll need something heavier and possibly one with 4WD. If we’re talking about John Deere I might start by taking a look at the X500s and X700s. Let me know if you have any other questions.
@@TheTractorFactor I have a New Holland Compact tractor but I need to split it to repair a hydraulic leak, God Knows when I will get to it. I actually live near a John Deere factory in Fuquay Varina NC. I drink beer with a guy who works in the factory on Golf Course Equipment. I will run it by him. Thanks and take care.
That tractor is at or near the top of the line of John Deere lawn tractors. There are lots of models in the $3800-$4800 range that compare to the price of the zero turn, and they are not basic models either.
Agreed, that’s why I showed the X500 prices as well although those can’t get a bit expensive too.
Very helpful video
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful.
This video is somewhat like comparing a car and a pickup truck. If all you need to do is transport people from point A to point B, then the car might be the comparison winner. But if you need to use a pickup truck for hauling things in its cargo box, towing things, or going off road, the truck may be the better answer. Truly, the Z Turn is an apple whereas the lawn tractor is an orange. You simply are not comparing two like items. An entertaining video and well presented but it didn't provide anything that wasn't already completely obvious to anyone who has ever seen these two products.
To people familiar with tractors and zero turns, yes, this video states a few obvious points. It’s more geared towards those who are unfamiliar with both and need to buy one.
Which brand will last without breaking down a lot?
Deere X300s and up are very reliable. You won’t have too many issues with those. Expect to do maintenance though, anything will eventually break if neglected.
From Thomas I watched a video and the thing you should really have for the real hard working professionals is a wash port and these Modules are both Rippers as well.
From my experiance wash ports dont work that well, if they work.
What model gives a better comfortable ride quality?
The tractor will. The front casters on a zero turn can create a bumpier ride.
I've had both the zero turn wins hands down.
Trevor Burton I mow commercial property. I’ll take a tractor over a ztm any day.
@@Craig2760 No worries each to his own.
@@Craig2760 how come?
I want the zero turn. Currently looking between the Z335E/M and the Z345M/R. Not much difference between those models other than price. I someone here has one of those, I would love to hear from you.
There’s not much difference like you said. The main difference is the 345 has a bit more hp. I would recommend going to a dealership to ask them for additional details, and maybe even try them out.
@@TheTractorFactor Thanks, but I went with the Z335E. Couldn't really justify paying $500 more for a slightly better seat and 2 extra hp.
Sounds good! Let me know what you think of it.
I would rather have a Kubota BX series or a Kubota B series with a belly mower and front end loader
I have a Hustler Raptor SD and a regular JD lawn tractor I like both but personally love the zero turn. Another thing that tractor 🚜 n the vid is the one that you can put a loader on which obviously cost more but one the regular size cost less. So how bout you compare to the regular one.
I assume you’re referring to the 1025R, the sub compact and a step up from the X700 series. If so, comparing the 1025R to a zero turn starts to make less sense as the lines are much more clear cut on which you need. If you’re buying a 1025R, chances are you need to do ground engaging work in addition to mowing so the choice on which to buy is obvious.
Which one of these would be better suited for bagging leaves? I have several big trees on half an acre in Michigan, all flat terrain and raking leaves sucks.
Zero turns and tractors both work for bagging. The real question is what else do you want to do with the machine and what is your price range?
Deere X700 series have MCS’s that allow you to dump from your seat. Deere Z900 series zero turns also have dump from seat, but anything smaller you’ll have to manually empty bags.
@@TheTractorFactor Would be nice to be able to add the snow plow or blower attachment so that is why I am sort of leaning towards the tractor option, I live in SE Michigan and winters sucks here. As far as budget, would like to stay under 4K. I see that x700 series are up there in 7-8 range and I dont mind manually dumping bags..
The issue is a 54 in. snowblower alone is $1,500-$4,000, not counting the tractor or MCS. Another option is to go for a blade instead, which would be cheaper.
@@TheTractorFactor I bought a X330 that came with a bagger system, brand new 44" snow blower, chains, weights and all thw attachments. Has 170 hours and I paid $2600.
That’s good then. I was thinking you were talking along the lines of an X700 with a 54 in. snowblower. What you got sounds perfect.
Yeah that's why I just bought both
Tractor for me
Great Job! You answered all my questions, thank you!
I've had numerous tractor type mowers & the main drawback is they are all belt drive & belts stretch & break. I now have a Kubota ZG222 ZTR with shaft drive & will never go back to tractor mower. Maneuverability is what it's all about & the zero turn wins hands down!
My 1984 Deere 111 will last longer then both them. And it's just the cheap model!
The old Deere tractors were certainly built to last.
@@TheTractorFactor yes, before plastics took over!
or you like to drink a beverage while you mow go with the tractor.. Thats why i never learned to fly a helicopter it took both hands and both feet all the time, you couldn't even smoke a cigarette
Once you mow with a zero turn, you'll NEVER go back to an ancient tractor. But yeah, I do keep an old clunker around to plow with, haul the wood wagon, pull my car trailer around my yard. Mowing, I'd never use a tractor again.
Yeah, and get killed on them if your not careful with a zero turn radius go cart mower. They should be banned. HATE THEM!
@@danbasta3677 LOL, you can go slow on them if you want you know. You did make me laugh with that comment though. I was thinking of my neighbor who mows at top speed on his. It's easier to roll a tractor than a zero turn.
Bullshit I pop wheelies and go on two wheels in my ZTM. Slopes are no problem. That fucker can do all kinds of badass moves. All kidding aside though I never had any problems with slopes on my ZTM.
Did you say mowbility?
Love the ZTM. Lawn tractors are just too slow. As with any type of equipment if you dont do stupid shit you'll stay out of trouble. Another plus I could steer my Yazoo-Kees with my pinkies.
You can always tell the bias by watching how things are done. It is very clear that the bias was in favor of the zero turn mower. I would have mowed differently in the "tree test," which would have probably resulted in the tractor beating the zero turn.
Yes, it was a flawed test. Maybe I’ll redo it someday, regardless, the zero turn is faster, especially if you’re striping.
If you get a tractor mower your wife or girlfriend will enjoy mowing your yard more meaning as a dude you really don't have to worry about cutting the grass. 👍👍👍
I’m come out and say it he showing a low end ztr and the highest end tractor you can buy and says that’s it’s for residential really do better
Yes, that’s why I attempted to address that in the video.
Anybody. Does a zero turn mower with a steering wheel give you all the positives of both a tractor and lap bar zero turn?
If you’re looking for something like that, I’d recommend an all wheel steer tractor if your situation allows it.
@@TheTractorFactor thanks
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I wouldn't have a jd for anything in the world. Need an actual diagnostic computer just trouble shoot any non mechanical problem,and a few of those too. Less is more sometimes.
We had a zero turn, a tree branch nearly decapitated me when I tried to shoo away a mosquito.
this makes no sense. did you take your hands off the controls while you were operating it? hope you dont drive a car like you do a mower. gonna kill someone swatting a fly instead of paying attention to the road.
And nobody talks about bagging
I have a few videos with the TKV 20 for bagging, however, that attachment doesn’t fit the X700 series.
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Zero turn of course!! It move a lot faster than hard to turn tractor.
I can pop weelies with a gardin tractor too, it is harder, but possible
Wait, you listed popping wheelies as a con. 😋
Haha, I guess for some people it could be a pro.
@@TheTractorFactor
daredevils: *[learns lawnmowers can do wheelies]*
also daredevils: *yes*
I've seen wheelies popped on lawn tractors too.
@@100PercentOS2 I have a lttie 24 year old 14 horsepwor Snapper tractor with a hydro that will pop a wheelie easy. I paid $600 in 2007 used and that bad boy is still going strong. Dont need all these way overpriced contraptions.
It all depends on which brand zero turn you go with. Some do have all kinds of attachments that can be used on them, including plowing. It all comes down to how much you are willing to spend on everything and how large your property is. Personally, I have both. The zero turn is far better at cutting grass and the tractor is good for everything else like hauling, sweeping, aerating etc.
A zero turn's purpose is to cut grass, a tractor's purpose is to pull things.
GrassHopper has a lot of attachments !
I have a JD 130 Ive owned for 7 years and it does a great job of mowing my 7.5 acres. I have hills to mow that would scare me on a ztr mower. Upkeep of the tractor is minimal. Im staying with tractor mowers. Also being 72 enters in to the decision as well.
Had a lawn tractor for 8 years. Took hours to mow the property. Finally bought a zero turn. cut mowing time by 3/4. Cuts better also. Moves leaves better also.
Yes, if you’re exclusively mowing, the zero turn will do it faster than a tractor.
Takes me roughly 2 hours to cut my grass on my tractor wondering if its time, the versatility is what concerns me the only time im pulling something with my lawnmower is my trailer but idk if i should worry about that
@@SkanDogVids Yet, if you get in a little mud and your stuck with a zero turn. My tractor will run right through it. Plus you have the versatility of not only pulling wagons, but plowing and cultivating. I'll take a tractor every day.
@@gregzeigler3850 Thankfully we don't get alot of mud after it rains I wait a few days. I personally don't care for seeding or picking up the dead grass I know some people do my Dad use to have a basket for our current tractor but when I was of age to cut grass he didn't care to have it done anymore
@@SkanDogVids Get a garden tractor or a Sub Compact tractor with a mid mount mower, if you have that much grass to mow a tractor with a mid mount mower is going to be the way to go and far more comfortable to operate than any zero turn. Plus a lot more versatility in a tractor than you'll ever find in a zero turn.
A zero-turn on a lawn with hills is very dangerous
Depends on the hills grade
Laura, I like zero turn mowers but the problem with zero turn mowers is a two part problem. The first is a mechanical issue and that is once you loose traction you loose steering combined with most steeper slopes it is extremely dangerous. The second part of the problem is that operators get a bit too brave and keep pushing the limits and operating on steeper and steeper slopes. As a safety professional, I see it way to often and the end result is not good. I live in the Appalachian Mountains and for the most part, it’s no place for zero turn mowers. I have seen them in use where I would think twice before getting on that slope with a John Deere X738, X739, or a X758
Those are some good observations, thanks for the comment.
Both are good, but the ones with the green paint cost 3 times as much to repair and maintain.
i pererr the kubota, although i haven’t used an updated john deere since a 2010 one, but kubota has been reliable, only spend about 100-200 a year on maintenance
My SX95 is pushing 30-35 years old (I forget the year) I still spend about $250 or so in maintenence every year, so not too big of a hit. Sure beats buying a new one, but I'll probably be due for a new one soon.
my dad has an equally expensive Kubota to my JD D140. ( $2000 vs $2200 cost )Same engine size, 22.5HP, his is 44" cut mine is 48". His is 7 years old and already had to weld the deck from damage. Except for belts being old, mine is in almost perfect condition. His has rust damage, mine does not. The Deck belt for mine was $48 at Lowes, had it in stock. The costs for the engine are the same since they both use the exact same air, oil filter, plugs, gas filter, and oil. His deck is thinner than mine and only had front deck wheels, mine has front and rear deck wheels. Looking at new ones in 2022, both are priced about the same, within $200 at most.
I just have a gravely ztx 48 haven’t put nothing on it not a penny one of the best built mowers out there!
Not if u can turn a wrench!
Thank you for the presentation and even some of the comments were helpful. My 25 year old MTD was put to rest at the end of last season. I have been shopping and eagerly anticipating a new mower. I went from thinking tractor to zero turn and now realize as much as I want a zero turn, a tractor is more practical for my property. Still.....
You’re welcome! Talk to your Deere dealer, they will have some advice for you. And feel free to post questions here if you have any.
The Tractor Factor i have a JD 108. It has not run in several years. I also have a Cub Cadet 1500. They both need belts, blades, tune up, oil change and batteries. Last night, I watched a guy like you promote the Ego electric. I was amazed at all the electric owners. There were a few that said no way. I then, after two hours went to the Home Depot site and found the Ryobi zero turn for $4400 on sale for $3800. 100 ah battery and you can do close to or at 3 acres depending on terrain. What do you think of that too? Thanks
The Ryobi zero turn is a great mower, I’ve used it, but it won’t work for 3 acres, its battery life isn’t long enough. And mowing 3 acres will pile up the hours on it. I would definitely go with a gas machine, something like a Z540M would work well for you.
@@ArtOfHealth i know im late but look at the hustler raptor xd it is rated for 3 acre yards and it is 3400 thats a 1000 dollars cheaper and it is a very nice machine
@@aidanschmidt607 Thank you for that feedback Aidan, I appreciate you.
Our yard includes slopes >20 degrees -- covered with pine needles which act like roller bearings. Every dealer I talked to said zero turns would not handle that. Ended up with a JD X739 -- 4 wheel drive and steer. I spend more time pulling trailers etc. than I do mowing. The X739 handles both beautifully. It may be overkill for my needs, but is absolutely stable on the hills.
I definitely agree with the dealers here. I wouldn’t use a zero turn on those slopes especially with pine needless impeding the traction. I think the X739 was a great compromise.
Great video and very helpful...One thing not mentioned regarding the zero-turn vs a tractor was how much easier it is on your neck and arms to turn w/handles vs. the steering wheel. I'm 69 w/neck issues. I had a JD X380 tractor that aggravated my neck severely due to the lack of power steering, and all the three point turns I had to make on my 3.2-acre manicured lawn. Yes, I did more than my share of kidney-shaped turns to avoid the additional steering required for a 3 point turn, but 3 point turning just comes more than I liked w/ the tractor. I have a Z540R on order, though I have used a Bobcat in the past and tested my neighbors zero turn. The zero-turn not only is more maneuverable than a tractor, but it is also much easier on your body to steer, once you get the steering technique down. As w/anything new, it does take a bit of getting used to at first.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it. And thanks for your comment, I didn’t consider that a zero turn would be easier on the body to steer, but it certainly makes sense.
If I had neck problem I would go with tractor, to exercise my neck wile mowing yard.
I have used both zero turns and tractors and in my opinion the tractor would be a much more comfortable ride then the zero turn also zero turns suck on hills and will get stuck easily when the ground is just a little wet I have had to pull many of the zero turn mowers out of wet areas that a yard tractor would have easily made it through.
I have used ZT's for years after many years of using Lawn Tractors. I have no problems with Zero Turns on hills. Getting stuck? No more than a lawn tractor in my experience. ZT's do have a harsher ride but, some manufactures have addressed that issue by isolating the operator station from the rest of the machine by using shocks and or springs. Ferris and Exmark both have models that greatly improve the ride. For cutting grass, the zero turn is far superior.
Very true. But if you put better tires on the ZTR, it won't get stuck, but tears up the lawn more. I have used my ZTR on a steep embankment and got scared a couple of times. Then I used a tractor on the same hill with no issues. The differential lock on the tractor really helps in poor traction situations.
Wont get stuck if I'm behind the wheel
Just keep the tractor out of the sun . The plastic hoods don't last long and are expensive
And they act like green houses too! The motor will get hot just from the hood retaining heat! Zeroturns very rarely over heat
I have both. As I mow in rounds or spiral from outside to inside, not back and forth, there is no time difference. And as mentioned before with tractor you have at least one hand free for beer or cigarette :)
Lol
Good vid definitely learned something since I've never owned a zero turn.
I’m glad you liked it!
Highly recommend spending the extra coin if you have a larger yard to mow. Cuts mowing time in half!
Tractor is relaxing,zero turn feels like a fighter pilot in a dog fight plus less reaction time to avoid an accident. John Deere x730 is a quick lawn tractor.
Agreed, you have to react fast with zero turns.
Yeah, who wants to feel like their working on their day off! Lol
For my yard, a ZT is more relaxing in the sense that I'm not frustrated trying to maneuver around stuff. I went from hating mowing to enjoying it, especially how quick it is.
Yeah you have to pay attention but I can get closer to stuff because I have finer control and I'm not cursing the crap turning radius and relatively difficult steering of the tractor (bad shoulder).
I use a ZTR at home and a tractor at my church. My ZTR puts he tractor to shame in speed of mowing. We do have some steep embankments where the tractor wins every time. Each has their place.
Good demonstration
The other gator to consider is the ride
The zero turn has more discomfort and bounce compared to a garden mower or tractor
One of the biggest things that made my decision wasnt addressed in this video, and that is~ am I ok with having my hands locked into a position as if I were riding a motorcycle with very badly adjusted handlebars, or would I rather have a steering wheel which I can use one handed, left or right hand whatever I choose at any time, or both handed.
I purchased my first ZTR last season. A 61" scag Cheetah. Great, but HEAVY machine. It is absolutely faster, however it does come at a cost when you factor in having to own multiple pieces of equipment for regular homeowner usage. Snow blower, leaf collection (I have a Cyclone Rake z-10 mated to my x590)
Although it is a lot of fun with the Cheetah, I'm heavily considering unloading it simply because I feel like its a waste for my lot size and all around needs.
Good, honest review!
Rich I do agree with you not to mention maintenance of this equipment which takes a lot of time. I guess I am luck is that I can mow grass just about every day between my house and the warehouse, my driveway is 1/4 mile long with big ditches on both sides and then I have a warehouse which I mow a couple acres there to. This year I am not even sure I am going to put the mowing deck on my tractor since I had a storm go through a couple years ago and it blew over at least 100 trees and I have been cutting on that every since it happened, trees dont stand up to 100 plus MPH winds to well.
The thing to consider is that a base residential zero-turn is going to be significantly more expensive than a base residential tractor. A lot of people get hung up on ground speed (some ZTs go 10+ mph) but the reality is that you're only going to be able to go so fast when you're cutting grass and still do an adequate job. Then there's the maintenance. The weak link of any entry level mower is going to be the hydrostatic transmission, and a ZT has twice the number of them to break.
Agreed, the entry level mowers won’t have the transmission durability the higher end models do. As a result, you could definitely end up with some issues.
It is also worth noting that the entry lawn tractors use the infamous K46. The ZTRs usually have hydro gear transmissions and are very reliable. Not the same transmission at all.
Exactly, and they ride rougher and get stuck way easier. Hydro transmissions are expensive to fix unless you rebuild them yourself(I did mine ove the winter, not easy but well worth the effort) Also, watched my neighbor trying to cut a slope and he actually pulled a tire off the rim trying to do that with his zero turn. No thanks, will stick to my GT
I bought a 2021 Craftsman Tight turn T240 Lawn/Garden tractor paid a total $2,700 for it has a Kohler 7000 series engine 22 horsepower 725cc V Twin engine based on the Kohler command commercial pro engine..has a 3 year unlimited hours warranty weighs 630 pounds has a thick cast iron front Axle Tuff torque hydrostatic transmission with steel gears..5 inch turning radius cruise control 3.1 gallon fuel tank so why in the world would I spend $11,000 on a mower when in reality it's not better or not that much what I already have and paid $2,700
In all fairness to the lawn tractor The way you were cutting grass with it is not typical, for most people you don't stop and turn around to make a second pass.
Agreed, that is a downside to this particular test. I just wanted to give a number to quantify “how much faster” a zero turn is than a tractor. Further tests would be ideal to expand upon this one.
So do you mow in circles? If you want nice stripes and a level cut then you do stop, reverse and make a second pass. If you mow in circles you get the deck tilt and you will have a stepped cut. Also the smaller the circle gets the more you have to stop and maneuver. I have a Zero turn for cutting and a yard tractor for everything else. All jobs are easier with the proper tools.
@@dustin5007 where I'm from most people dont worry about putting stripes on there lawn. I usually square off my lawn and cut it, not in a circle, but I'm old school we have not always had zero turn mowers, there was only yard tractors.
I have 2 tractors and I never mow in circles. It looks cheap and reckless. Taking the extra seconds to do a 3 point turn at the end of each pass makes the yard look much better.
@@andybub45 I don't know anybody that mows in circles, most people I know square off there yard and cut, but to each there own I guess. If you have the time and think it looks better do 3 point turns.
Both would be great for mowing, but the Zero Turn Mower is best for mowing big, smooth Terrain, but the Tractor would be best for Mowing Big Properties with Slopes and stuff. if I were you, I would probably go with the cheapest one, the Tractor.
Unless you live on a small area do yourself a favor and get the zero turn
Thanks for the video. I am actually considering going back to the tractor due to the rougher ride of the zero turn. No doubt the zero turn is maneuverable and takes some frustration out of turning around or going around objects. How does the zero turn compare to the 4 wheel steer John Deere tractor (which is what I am contemplating purchasing). Seems pretty close in turn around time although still a little longer with the 4WS model vrs zero turn.
I’ve used the X485 all wheel steer and I greatly enjoyed it. It turns tightly, but as you said, it’s not quite as good as the zero turn. For your situation, it could be a nice compromise as you get excellent maneuverability and the benefits of a tractor.
However, there are downsides too. AWS means there are more moving parts to wear out. It is also difficult to keep it moving in a straight line as compared to a regular tractor if you’re mowing or snow blowing. If you’ve used a zero turn though, keeping it going in a straight line shouldn’t be a problem.
Check out some of the Z turns with shocks on all wheels such as the Ferris.
I just went back to a regular tractor after owning a zero turn for some time. I find the tractor a better overall option, even if that means I am loosing some turning radius.
@@diavalus I did the same. Although I purchased the 4WS Deere, I returned it for the 758 AWD as the 4WS model was impossible to hold a straight line on my property which has gentle hills and is kind of rough. The Diesel Deere has different steering in the 4WS model than the Gas which is easier to keep straight (the gas one). I gave up more maneuverability but in the end, found it to be more satisfying.
@@willberninger1871 Oh man, the 758 AWD is a nice tractor, I hope it will serve you well.
Unfortunately for me, I bought a Stihl 5112Z last week to replace the "old" 2018 CubCadet zero turn, only to find out today that the Stihl has a Chinese engine made by a company founded in 2014 called Loncin. Has no documentation and repair manual (on Stihl or Loncin's website) or spare parts, the oil filter (and other engine related parts) have no part no, so I guess the engine is disposable after it breaks down. I don't expect it to last more than two years, so I guess I just wasted 6k.
Tractor. You can do more and get more work out of a tractor as opposed of a zero turn radius go cart mower. With a tractor, you can plow your snow, plow your garden, disc your garden, hitch up to a trailer and pull flowers for planting, or wood to heat your home with and of course a mower deck to mow your grass with. Zero turn radius go cart mowers can only do one thing. Mow grass, and if your not careful with them, they WILL send you to the funeral home early. They SHOULD be banned. Ralph Nader, whare are you when we need you?