Authenticating Antique Chinese Porcelains From Fakes and Copies
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Regular weekly and bi-weekly videos from Peter Combs and Bidamount about Asian art and the auction market. With an emphasis on fine art, auction news, and art news from numerous auction houses and online auction venues. These videos focus extensively on the Chinese art market and the Japanese art market. Other videos cover the topics of understanding and identifying authentic Chinese porcelain, Chinese bronze as well as information about the history of Chinese and Asian art. Visit Bidamount.com to learn more, join the ASIAN ART Forum and take advantage of the reference library filled with hundreds of auction catalogs and reference books on Fine Art, current art value by category, and links to museum collections. Characteristics of authentic versus fake Chinese porcelain being made today made in Jingdezhen China. By examining details of real Yuan, Ming and Qing porcelains and compared to modern examples being made today. Covering design, colors, shapes, foot rims and reign marks. Including Famille Rose, Famille Jaune and Famille Verte enamels as well as Cobalt blue.
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I wouldn't totally discount modern ceramics, there is after all a hierarchy of quality. Just like we can buy dinner ware from Walmart on the low end and Limoges on the other end. I love modern Chinese ceramics, besides, if I spent $1.200 on a vase it most likely would not be on my kitchen counter with utensils in it:) The modern stuff you are showing here is schlock but the higher-end stuff can be very pretty.
Awesome lesson, sir! I have a graduate degree in art history and the things I wanted to delve into were never addressed. Thanks for filling the hole in my lacking, yet extensive, sorry, exPENsive education. Kudos.
I really love the calm and modest manner which Peter has.
My hubby actually fell ASLEEP
His voice is so nice 😍
Thanks alot for all illustrations .
Have to see so many original and fake pieces to reach you level .
Very nice .. thanks again
Just have to thank you Mr. Combs.....for sharing your passion and knowledge.
I hate that he uses relative terms like "creepy". Also, says things like "wrong color blue, too watery" then in the next photo, same color blue is the correct "cobalt" blue. His examples are just not defined enough. I hope this improves because this is a channel I'll be following.
White and blue porcelains are quite tricky, the color also depend on the environment they were in, like under ground, under sea, in a storage etc, many things can happen to a real piece and the bottom can somewhat look like a fake especially in unrestored conditions and you have to know a lot about porcelain techniques during those era, also differ between the craftsmanship, like items for imperial families, items for commoner class, items for export etc.
Why does the USA allow these to be imported without being stamped "reproduction"? This is very dishonest by people making fakes and trying to pass them off as original. It seems criminal to me. Thank-you for the video.
i feel grateful living in PETER COMBS PERIODE , knowing all of these precious knowledge on Chinese Porcelain. Thank you Sir !!
best regards.
Wijayanto from Indonesia
I’ve gone back to this video quite a few times. One of your best and most informative.
This channel is awesome, thank you Peter!! as a porcelain passionate, I thank you and admire you for your effort in putting all this knowledge to public use! it's very noble of you, i hope one day to buy some of your pieces.
Wonderfully precise. Very well explained. Encore! Encore! (meaning: do another one, please.) Goodness, I enjoyed this so much.
Thanks Peter for giving us the benefit of your experience.
Thank you Peter; somehow I missed this one last year. This was a great refresher review and I LOVE some of the fake images!
+Authentic Appraisal & Estate Services thanks, at some point we should build an image archive of them.
Thank you to Peter for sharing your experience to us. Very clearly to learn and recognize the objects by your samples Thanks again.
Brilliant & THANK YOU EVER SO MUCH !!!!! LOVE IT
You're welcome!
Wonderful videos. It is refreshing to see comparison's of fakes vs. the real thing. Thank You so much for taking the time to teach us such valuable information.
Barbiecakes808 So glad you like them...we very much appreciate the kind words.
Thank you so much Peter for all the useful information.I have a fairly large collection of Antique Asian porcelain and about once week a neighbor or friend brings something by that they want me to look at along with the thrift stores I go to.I can now send them to your video.The last year or so I've noticed a lot more fake monochrome and Flambe vases especially on eBay.A video on these would really be great.I'm always surprised at how many people but these.Thanks again I'm signing up for your newsletter.
Thanks John, monochromes are pretty easy to fake, so they've been flooding into the market as well as piles of Langya examples and everything in between. Also in the last two years we've seen a number of Song style "Ge" pieces turning up with "old collection " labels including fake SPINK'S tags and a mysterious non-existant collection from Sweden. Those have been selling for well into five figures at live auctions from Maine to Seattle. and so it goes. best to you, Peter
Thank you! Your videos have been extremely educational and interesting!!
thank you, remember to subscribe to our weekly News-Letter-Catalog also! At bidamount.com/chinese-art-asian-antiques-auction-news-letter-ebay
Peter, An absolute pleasure, Thank You for taking the time to make your videos.
+Kelvin Daly thank you...glad you found them useful.
hello mr peter comb. i have almost 80-100 porcelain and ceramics china from Ming and Qing dinasty. can u help for check the original from .. i hace picture and video .. i hope u help. i wanna sell all cause i have no time gor save all item .. thanks peter
Thanks, excellent learning experience!
An interesting and informative video. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much for your wonderful video
U cracked me up. "Look at that base. Looks like someone got murdered in that base" LOL
Sometimes things just come out unplanned..Peter
@@PeterCombs I laughed at that too!
I could listen to you Sir hours and hours, of course - also to look at!
This is fascinating and very useful for someone who collects Asian antiques (on a very small scale I hasten to add!)
I know very little about Chinese porcelain art but it admire it's beauty. Wonderful wonderful information. Thank you
Thank you, I can tell you after over 3 and a half decades we still enjoy it all very much..
i learn many things from your v.d.o. thanksssssssssssss you 1000000 times
very interesting video. you are a pleasure to listen to you. Many thanks
Thank you Peter! i'm still really enjoying your videos. i'm not sure i can really pick out a good fake yet, but i'm getting there. i think my problem is that i haven't handled too many really good pieces yet - just seen them behind glass at museums.
+ho2cultcha thanks for your kind comments, visit lots of good dealers and you might like subscribing to our weekly newsletter. We hand pick authentic items available on eBay each week and send out a link to the list..visit www.bidamount.com/asian-antiques-on-ebay/ and sign up!..;its pretty useful.
Thank you so much I learnt a lot so interesting
Thank you, very interesting!
Excellent very informative. Thank y ou sir.
Really a fantastic video! A+
Hi Peter and thank you so much for your very informative and well-presented videos on Chinese porcelain, especially those looking at the fakes. Also, if I may ask please. Can you recommend any dealers in Ireland who would be expert in antique Chinese porcelain?
If a vase is 30 years old has a good foot but has another little circle in the middle of the foot what is the reason for that.i have one with good white base .
When did the fakes enter north America?
The flowers on the vase has flowers painted on it but the paint goes the lines which makes me think it's a fake
Thank you yet again
Great video! Very nice side by side comparisons.
Annie Zhang thank you Annie, I hope it was useful for you.
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I too, was wondering if you can take a look at my "curb alert-craigslist free stuff", I got the night before last. Their ad said to just come and get it off our porch-a dinette set. No- one was home when I got there and I noticed some nice stuff, at the curb...I felt VERY uncomfortable and to my relief , the daughter of the home owner came to clean some more. She said she was unaware of the posting and called her mom. She said not to worry about pulling the ad back up on my phone to show her, that she believed me. Tg lol!!!And then went on to say that her mom was majorly down sizing and that I could help myself to anything on the porch and front yard because it was all going to the trash soon. They had had a yardsale a couple days earlier. The blue and white bowl was sitting inside a very large pitcher planter on a pedestal, with large flowers on it and it was caked with dirt and hard grime from supporting a plant inside and not having to fill the entire thing with dirt. It seems like it was a special plate, deserving of a good cleaning and identifying. I saw a similiar one on Ebay with a selling price of $19.99 and when I went to show my daughter in the morning, the ad was GONE! lol. Alot more searching and I found another one that looked slightly darker, with the price of $358. We are starting new jobs and just bought a mini touring van that was several thousand dollars more than we budgeted and....peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time again. $20 was thrilling to think of....the other, was a battle of getting our hopes up....and listening to what to look for . I will send photos of our finds and if you have the time ..to give me an idea of the worth of each, that I could ask for each, online and at yard sales, I would appreciate it awesomely. No pity....but I got hit by a car in a crosswalk and the recovery seems endless, finances ruined and time to be a fox...aaaaaaagggain- figuring out a maze or countless of them, daily. People like you, offering your knowledge in this area,what you do well and freely is truly AMAZING! Sometimes, thru this, too, finding faith in humanity just doesn't happen. You are an example of the "Great!" America needs be . Bless you!
Thanks you so much for spending the time to educate the public so descriptively. The pieces that were shown as fakes, how were they acquired and those selling them fined?
Most of them have been bought from either sellers here in the US from China, or directly from dealers in China. Taibo and other sites offer them by the truck load. They are not Illegal to sell of course and some sellers have been sued and lost.
The Chinese call ceramics the art with no mercy.A large part is the hard work involved in the transporting and refining of the porcelain.Then there are the multiple mistakes that can happen during all stages of the production process.All of this followed by rumatism and an early death from silicoses.Yet some how the art reached a high pinnacle of expression .Any way I just wanted to mention the base on the Dragon pot ,where I think a fault like this would come about because the pot was frozen whilst wet.The porcelain becomes laminated as it is thrown and if frozen whist drying the laminations of the many layers will be revealed like filo pastry. Its possible to loose a large amount of work, as when the pots thaw they just fall apart.So if a potter discovers that quite a few days work has been effected by a frosty night when he comes into the work shop in the morning in desperation he may try to save the pots by putting them back on the wheel and trying the throw out the ridges of the pots that have not fallen apart. But the bases of any pots effected in this way cannot be reached and so may only reveal the lamination when dried or when biscuit fired , by which time a large amount of work has been put into the pot and so sponging over the base of the pot and trying to save all that work would be a natural thing to do.But if the potter was just trying to imitate in order to get a higher price then the pot would surely be discarded.
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Hey Peter, great videos, I post them on our Chinese Porcelain FB page for people to learn with ~~in the South, we say "Theres more shi+ than you can shake a stick at. " Feel free to use it!
It is too bad that so much fake is on the market. It takes away the exitment to purchase anything. Thanks for the lesson Peter!
Great things are still out there, until you're absolutely certain stick to buying from only the top 4 or so auction houses Christie's, Sotheby's, Bonhams, Doyle NY etc and well established dealers who can point you in the right direction. Best, Peter.
I need a fake price list for all the “fake collectibles “ I may have😢
Hi , i have a vase that i bought some tears ago at an op shop.. i know the lady who donated it and she said that her parents bought it in the 50's on a trip to China. It has a qianlong porcelain mark . And is hand painted but it is grey blue but there are no signs of purposely fake imitation marks
Excellent example very good video Thanks you for your time nice
I always thought the one hundred butterfly vase with the two orange butterflies facing each other at the top of the vase is the real vase??? thank you for clarifying!
Thank you, this was brilliant. Would you be able to look at my chines bowl and jar with top what it is exact ly?
Hello Peter! I really loved your video! I have a blue and white porcelain teapot i just aquired but im not very confident in my ability to determine if it might be authentic or not. Can you help me if i send you some photos please? Thank you!
Great, very informative. I have a few things and I was wondering if you would look at some pics for me?
Sure you can eMail them to us: plcombs @ plcombs .com happy to take a look for you. , Peter
28:43 It looks like something got murdered in there 🤣 I'm crying !!
Thanks sir Peter to educate the real or fake antiques , I have some pictures of collection antiques may I ask your help to determine if he is legit or fake
XI LEARNED SUCH A LOT, THANK YOU.
Thank you.
i watched a documentary/ video on Chinese antiques with mentioned of 3 claws Dragon for the Prince?
Its a bit confusing, the four claw dragon can be used by princes and member of nobility, the three can only be used by the prince. A prince can use either. . Best Peter
Isn't 32:55 probably republic? The enamels have that quality about them and the piece overall is actually pretty well done, of course Qianlong marks are also very common during this period. A whole other cross over area from genuine QIanlong to Republic to modern copies.
I do know what you mean, however, the heavy paste and potting and the poor glazing of the bottom with all those "pits" coupled with that rather rounded " fat" footrim is more typical of modern fakes. Republic examples emulating Qianlong pieces were typically done with a much neater finish on the base, a very even green glaze on base and inside the mouth. The foot rim were also much tidier. The yellow glaze here and stiff drawing is also problematic. The Chinese fakers have caught onto this more recently and are making pieces much closer to Republic copies. Best Peter
Very hard to tell real from fake I think one needs to handle a lot of real ones
Identifying Fake Chinese Porcelains and learning to identify authentic examples.
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Peter Combs thank you. Great learning. Looking forward to more of your lectures on Chinese antiques
thank you
I have acquired a small 2 inch tall, three concubine emperor vase, along with many other antique and oriental pottery, and cloisonné pieces
I’m interested in selling much of my collection to finance my own travels
What is the best way for me to send you photographs?
I have a vase that I think is from the Qianlong Empire may I send you pictures and you tell me what you think. Unfortunately my cleaning woman JUST broke it...and I'm heart broken. One of my favorite pieces. I have doubts about it because the mark is in a double frame, and the shape of the vase may not be of that period.
Deal Mr Combs. I am not sure if this is the right forum to ask, but i am bold enough to ask. I am an art collector here in Norway, also resident in London. I have some objects that was aquired from a rather well know collection. If you have the time to and interest in looking at some of the pieces would i be more than gratuful if you may provider some information.I will pay a fair fee in order to get some of your insight, and i will also let you use the object in a video if you find them interesting.
I find your videos quite decent and i have a lot of respect for anyone with a passing like you have.
Best regards Adrian Nyhagen, Oslo
+Cognac Viking Hello Adrian, Feel free to contact me and I'll have a look. my email address and Contact information can easily be found on the Bidamount.com website. We look at things for people every day. best regards, Peter Combs
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Mr. Comb, may I show you mine as well? I have chiness vase. There is a symbol on the bottom. If you don't mind maybe you can take a look at it? Really appreciate
@@PeterCombs hi peter combs thank you for all the information you share on us ...its very informative for a new collector more power and GOD bless you
Watching the video around 14:29, I can't help but wonder how these museums obtained the beautiful antique vases. History tells us that the Forbidden City and Summer palaces were looted of their treasures and set on fire by allied soldiers around the time of the Opium War.
Much of it was, of course, looted, mostly by the French at that time. They held auctions in China and in France afterward. Bear in mind, the Chinese skinned alive a couple French officers who went to negotiate with the Emporer, he got insulted and ordered their "deaths by a thousand cuts" and then sent the corpses back to the French...it went over very badly. Years later the Empress Dowager extended olive brnches and re-established friendly relations..
Ok I'm confused and really not being rude. At 35:21 the bottom of that jar is brown and I thought that is an indication of a fake? What am u missing?
The bottom of the pot at 35;21 shows what actual oxidization looks like from being fired, the one after shows how they look when oxidization has been simulated with staining on a modern example. It can be a subtle difference at times. If you pause the vide between the two it becomes more evident. Also, you'll notice the shaping of the foot on the real piece when it was trimmed before it was fired. Hope this helps, Peter
i have a few things i was wondering if you would look at some pics for me or if you know of some one that will?
No problem happy to, Email me some images www.bidamount.com/contact-us/
28:20 is the funniest thing I've seen all month.
Sellers of fakes just hate these kinds of videos. and so it goes. Peter
@@PeterCombs What period was “orange peel” texture acceptable in ?
what are the fakes really worth now? some were pretty
Do you still buy some pieces for clients? Is there any way to send you pictures to see if you are interested?
HeIIo, our contact information is here on a business site.. www.plcombs.com/ incIduing our eMaiI address.
Nice Video，much better than those Chinese “experts”！TY!
比中国专家好100倍！谢谢！
thank you, we do our best...Peter
Would you be willing to take a quick peak at an Ebay seller's items? katandbeautyfoodwarehouse I have been watching these videos over and over and I am still having a difficult time determining authenticity. I would be very grateful!
hi peter, love your video, would I be able to send you some pic of my bowl and let me know what you think
sure our eMaiI information is here, wBest Peterww.plcombs.com/about-contact-us/
Best, Peter
hi i can get on to your site
emaiI me, with what it is you're referring to. Best Peter
what is your email? will do it the end of next week
you can get it from the Iink posted in my first repIy. Peter
Helo Peter
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strokes are not convincing
a great way to spot copies! Thanks, Peter
I can't take anyone seriously who can't pronounce wucai properly.
Please translate your program to Arabic languages to be more useful , thanks so much , F , F , J .
Thank you.
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