One practical point to consider is what is the local consensus for the holding ability of the bottom and thus the amount of scope needed. If in a protected anchorage with a really good bottom, especially with no storm coming, 3:1 to 5:1 might be the norm. Using the same scope will prevent overlap of the swing circles.
You're right in always being aware of our swing rate and diameter. If anchoring for a short time in a calm area, 3:1 should be okay, but as a rule, I never use less than 5:1.
I'm a power boater and I tend to agree with your thoughts about anchorage etiquette. Now let me ask you about passing in the icw. Why do sail boaters get so mad about being waked while being passed? (Power boats don't slow down for each other...unless its a trawler but they are sailboats without sails. Same crowd). Is there something about sailboats that y'all can't take rocking due to wakes? If your stuff flies around and things break, why don't y'all stow the crap and be prepared for rolls? For the record, I always try to give a slow pass, but sailboats won't slow down to let me pass and not throw a huge wake. So, I don't fight you guys and just blast by with y'all flipping me off and cussing at me while shaking your fist. I want to be respectful but y'all won't help me help you!!!
@@michaelpowell9164 I hear you, I really do. Sailboats, because of their hull and keel shape and design are much easier to sway and roll then power boats. That being said, you’re correct that all things on boats should stowed properly, on any boat. In my case I have no problems with a power boat passing by. But many pass by much too close. If you can give (any boat) a wider berth when passing, it would give that boat time to turn into your wake. Bow into the wake will eliminate or reduce most of the effect. But if you’re passing too close, they do not have time and space to turn into your wake. That being said, power boaters should be aware of their wake and the effects on their surroundings, not just other boats, but shorelines as well. I’m glad you replied and shared your thoughts. For me the best part of the boating community is sharing experiences and knowing, at least in my case, that at the end of the day, we’re always ready to help each other out.
Not anyone can sail but anyone can rent a power boat. That said I do both power boat and I live on a sailboat. Being respectful is up to the boater heck in cars too so few people are respectful.
I think you're just taking your personal opinion and calling it etiquette. Your idea of fun is silence and reading, someone elses idea of fun is music and letting loose. You're on public water at a public anchorage, likely a free anchorage. From the sounds of your story we're talking about the middle of the day, there is no law or bylaw or even reasonable expectation that people should not be enjoying music in the middle of the day on land or water. Turning music down to levels you describe is legally enforced after 10pm in most places in Canada. So should people be bound by the law or by your personal preferences? Looks like a big lake, you're more than welcome to slip off to a quieter more secluded area rather than demanding that everyone in the 'neighbourhood' (anchorage) live their life by your music preferences. Food for thought.
@@aquaholic3 One man's idea of disrespect is another mans just fun afternoon on the water, as demonstrated by your story. This is why laws exist, to have an objective standard for what is safe, acceptable and reasonably considerate without being overly restrictive. I get where you're coming from, but I also know what it's like to be out for a fun afternoon on the water with friends which often includes music and 'loud' chatter.. I feel zero guilt for this and I'm glad those folks didn't either.
@Jesse if you want to blast your music it's on YOU to find a secluded place where you aren't bothering anyone else, not on everyone else to leave. If we follow your approach we'll have a bunch of clowns blasting different kinds of music resulting simply in cacophony of noise. It's one thing to have music on at a reasonable level and another to blast it. I'm sure you wouldn't like my teenage son blasting his gangsta rap while you're trying to having a barbecue and enjoying your own music. It's not illegal but it's disrespectful.
@@Juliengatti Lol no, it really is not on me to find a secluded place in order to enjoy music.. not legally nor ethically. As I said above, this is why laws exist, for an objective standard of what is acceptable and reasonably considerate WITHOUT being too restrictive. One man's "too loud gangsta rap" is just another mans great afternoon on the water with friends, and your opinion does not trump someone elses. The fact that you specifically named 'gangsta rap' as if it is supposed to be some off-putting example just further proves my point. You are just projecting YOUR opinions about volume and what kind of music is okay, onto others. Thank goodness for the laws that keep self centered folks like you under control so that people can enjoy FREE, PUBLIC anchorages in the middle of the afternoon how they wish to, not how you wish them to. Ear plugs are $1 at dollarama if you insist on quiet in outdoor public spaces, or like I said, it's a big lake, move.
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One practical point to consider is what is the local consensus for the holding ability of the bottom and thus the amount of scope needed. If in a protected anchorage with a really good bottom, especially with no storm coming, 3:1 to 5:1 might be the norm. Using the same scope will prevent overlap of the swing circles.
You're right in always being aware of our swing rate and diameter. If anchoring for a short time in a calm area, 3:1 should be okay, but as a rule, I never use less than 5:1.
It sounds like you're describing common courtesy.
@@bwhip Yes, that is what I am trying to say…. Thanks for understanding! 😊
I'm a power boater and I tend to agree with your thoughts about anchorage etiquette.
Now let me ask you about passing in the icw. Why do sail boaters get so mad about being waked while being passed? (Power boats don't slow down for each other...unless its a trawler but they are sailboats without sails. Same crowd). Is there something about sailboats that y'all can't take rocking due to wakes? If your stuff flies around and things break, why don't y'all stow the crap and be prepared for rolls? For the record, I always try to give a slow pass, but sailboats won't slow down to let me pass and not throw a huge wake. So, I don't fight you guys and just blast by with y'all flipping me off and cussing at me while shaking your fist. I want to be respectful but y'all won't help me help you!!!
@@michaelpowell9164 I hear you, I really do. Sailboats, because of their hull and keel shape and design are much easier to sway and roll then power boats. That being said, you’re correct that all things on boats should stowed properly, on any boat. In my case I have no problems with a power boat passing by. But many pass by much too close. If you can give (any boat) a wider berth when passing, it would give that boat time to turn into your wake. Bow into the wake will eliminate or reduce most of the effect. But if you’re passing too close, they do not have time and space to turn into your wake. That being said, power boaters should be aware of their wake and the effects on their surroundings, not just other boats, but shorelines as well. I’m glad you replied and shared your thoughts. For me the best part of the boating community is sharing experiences and knowing, at least in my case, that at the end of the day, we’re always ready to help each other out.
Not anyone can sail but anyone can rent a power boat. That said I do both power boat and I live on a sailboat. Being respectful is up to the boater heck in cars too so few people are respectful.
Yup! But one by one we might be able to change some! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Unfortunately common sense doesn’t enter some people’s minds. Especially thrill seekers.
I think you're just taking your personal opinion and calling it etiquette. Your idea of fun is silence and reading, someone elses idea of fun is music and letting loose. You're on public water at a public anchorage, likely a free anchorage. From the sounds of your story we're talking about the middle of the day, there is no law or bylaw or even reasonable expectation that people should not be enjoying music in the middle of the day on land or water. Turning music down to levels you describe is legally enforced after 10pm in most places in Canada. So should people be bound by the law or by your personal preferences? Looks like a big lake, you're more than welcome to slip off to a quieter more secluded area rather than demanding that everyone in the 'neighbourhood' (anchorage) live their life by your music preferences. Food for thought.
Thanks for your comment, but you've also made my point. Just because there are no laws.... doesn't mean boaters can not be respectful of others.
@@aquaholic3 One man's idea of disrespect is another mans just fun afternoon on the water, as demonstrated by your story. This is why laws exist, to have an objective standard for what is safe, acceptable and reasonably considerate without being overly restrictive. I get where you're coming from, but I also know what it's like to be out for a fun afternoon on the water with friends which often includes music and 'loud' chatter.. I feel zero guilt for this and I'm glad those folks didn't either.
A Point of View is one up on an opinion. That's what this Skipper offered..with grace. Well done.
@Jesse if you want to blast your music it's on YOU to find a secluded place where you aren't bothering anyone else, not on everyone else to leave. If we follow your approach we'll have a bunch of clowns blasting different kinds of music resulting simply in cacophony of noise. It's one thing to have music on at a reasonable level and another to blast it. I'm sure you wouldn't like my teenage son blasting his gangsta rap while you're trying to having a barbecue and enjoying your own music. It's not illegal but it's disrespectful.
@@Juliengatti Lol no, it really is not on me to find a secluded place in order to enjoy music.. not legally nor ethically. As I said above, this is why laws exist, for an objective standard of what is acceptable and reasonably considerate WITHOUT being too restrictive. One man's "too loud gangsta rap" is just another mans great afternoon on the water with friends, and your opinion does not trump someone elses. The fact that you specifically named 'gangsta rap' as if it is supposed to be some off-putting example just further proves my point. You are just projecting YOUR opinions about volume and what kind of music is okay, onto others. Thank goodness for the laws that keep self centered folks like you under control so that people can enjoy FREE, PUBLIC anchorages in the middle of the afternoon how they wish to, not how you wish them to. Ear plugs are $1 at dollarama if you insist on quiet in outdoor public spaces, or like I said, it's a big lake, move.