IMPORTANT: Despite our differences, I think Katy is very reasonable, and was courageous and transparent enough to travel to meet me, give up an afternoon and debate/inform me. Whether Katy is a he, she, or they, Katy is certainly not an 'it'. Remember the human in your comments, and use logic and reason WITHOUT ad-hominem attacks on Katy's person. Hit like, share on socials - subscribe! - and comment below.
If Katy was born with the genetic and physiology structure ordered to produce small motile gametes we know as sperm, then Katy is a male. He is a man. There are no 'if's' about this.
@@shadowbeastie An ad hominem logical fallacy is when you use an insult to try and argue a person's position must be wrong. The words, "a cult" would indicate a group's beliefs are "strange or sinister" so that probably counts. Example: imagine Emperor Nero says, "These christians say Christos rose from the dead and they say the apostles are the flesh of Christ and drank his blood. They're a cult! Don't believe them". In this example Nero's only reason offered to not believe Christianity is that they're a cult. Yet Christianity could be true or false regardless of if the majority finds their beliefs strange. So it's a logical fallacy. I have heard the "anti gender movement" referred to as a "cult" and TERFs are mocked on a subreddit called "terfs_are_a_fetish or whatever it was. I've seen trans people called "trans rights activists " if out and seen any out trans person or intersectional feminist called a "cult" from the anti gender movement. It's poison either way to the discussion. Note sometimes you just want to be insulting. I do a lot of time when I check out anti trans propaganda videos. I want to just say, "WTF, are you crazy?" because so much is said that even the first two minutes need massive clarification. Not an ad hominem to just plain insult or troll, it's the internet to flame, but it sounds like they don't want insults either because civility is being encouraged.
@@Susanmugen spoiler: gender transition theory is actually a cult. It's a belief system with no basis in reality that cannot tolerate criticism. I'm sorry you don't see it.
the worry is not about transwomen in changing rooms or bathrooms, that's been going on for decades and no one gives a damn as far as I know or at least , in my personal experience of being in bathrooms with transwomen:) the worry is that with self id, any creep can hijack trans identity, and go in as they want. The only protection there is, is the right to say no to any (male /XY) creep who might try following you in. Bathrooms - in pubs etc , have always been safe spaces to go if someone is being dodgy or to check in with your friend, away from men etc they're not just places to pee, they are wee havens despite no actual physical barriers - the barrier is psychological, and functions a bit like a hymen - it wont stop anyone but we hope you respect it. Anywhere where XX women are naked, or have their knickers round their ankles, the choice to consent as to whether anyone XY can enter is what makes those spaces feel safe, but self id would make this irrelevant. But no access would also mean transwomen would have to rely on good grace which makes them feel vulnerable and not accepted...idk why we cant just ensure gender neutral bathrooms as well as gendered everywhere but perhaps that's my ignorance.....? i'm still a bit confused about that - i find it weird that no one seems interested in finding pragmatic solutions, only ideological rants it's odd. I mean - I totally get why a transwoman wouldnt want to use the mens bathroom, but that's different from wanting specifically to use the womens, so i'm not sure which it is.
A man in Sweden killed and dismembered his girlfriend. He decided to transition (socially) in prison and got sent to the female prison without any questions. We have this extreme tolerance thing going on here in Sweden that is actually hurting women
@@sarral2008 you know you can search the internet, right? Kim Marie Johansson: In 2014 Johansson was sentenced to 14 years in prison for murdering and dismembering her ex girlfriend, Vatchareeya Bangsuan. The case, known as the Boden massacre. In 2018, 27-year-old Johansson self-perceived herself as a woman and changed her name to Kim Marie Johansson.[6] According to Swedish law, no one could question it. She later applied for a transfer to a women's prison. She was imprisoned in Norrtäljeanstalten, after the Court of Appeal reduced her sentence to ten years in prison despite the prison management considering her extremely violent. ....
Woman here who was raised by a single dad! He never once entered the women's changing rooms with me or my sister because he knew other men would not be in there! And yes, he would wait outside and if anyone did ask why he was there he would tell them I'm waiting for my daughters! Stop using that scenario to try to push men into changing rooms!
Good. Me too. I raised a boy and a girl after my wife died, and I always did the same as your dad. Women's safety and security outweigh any man's delusion that his appearance changes his chromosomes.
A mother here. I initially took my son into the women’s toilets. Then he got older and I stood outside the men’s toilet, my ears straining to listen for any problems, and hated every second until he came out of there.
Indeed. Women could take their husbands in if it was a case of someone verifying that this guy is one of the good ones. It's not the point. Ease of mind and dignity. No man, however he wants to think of himself, should be in female only spaces. The social norms exist for a reason.
@@colinellicott9737 there was one time I was waiting to use the hairdryer in the changing rooms, loads of women and girls were waiting to use it. One woman left, then came back in a said "(our names) your dad is worried about you both, he asked if you're both okay" and she walked out. So I popped my head round the door and saw my dad literally biting his nails and looking worried! I get it, it must be hard waiting to see if there are any unusual sounds, or if your kids are distressed!
I can wear no makeup, cut my hair and nails and dress casually - I will still be a woman, always, for the rest of my life. Being a woman is not about these kind of superficial attributes but it's typical for a man to think so. Oh the irony...
I think it detracts from the beauty of the human being when people have this going on. I'm personally sorry this is happening - I'd not want my children being in a world like the one we have now.
Why did he keep talking about long hair and long nails? I'm a woman, I was born a woman, I don't have long hair or long nails. It doesn't detract from my femininity. Where does this dumb stereotype come from and how do we get rid of it?
It is weird. I'm a woman, and I've been in a women's restroom when a male employee walked in and was washing his hands. I was freaked out because I initially thought that I mistakenly walked into the men's room. Then I realized it was a trans woman (I think), but he only had long hair and dressed like a man, so I was totally confused and freaked out why he was in there. Then I realized he was apparently trans, but I was afraid to say anything or show that I was startled because I didn't want to be targeted for being anti- trans, which I'm not at all. On another note, I have also been attacked by a random, drunk cis-man in a restroom. Fortunately my boyfriend saw him go in and threw him off of me, but it does happen and women need our safe spaces.
It was when transgender women started entering women's sports that lost me, and then the transkids happened, which was the total end of any support from me.
I couldn't agree more. People can do whatever they want to themselves, dress however they want, call themselves whatever name they choose - I believe in total individual liberty in these areas (including use of drugs) - but the biological men in womens' sports thing and what I believe to be a cultural contagion of trans hysteria amongst teenagers in the US are very troubling.
Exactly. Why the fuck do we have to be called chest feeders, uterus havers etc. The words mother, breasts, breastfeeding etc are being removed from hospitals now.
Would it be fair to say you don't support the activism, but basically didn't have an issue with someone going on their journey perhaps? Or are you unsupportive of people being trans at all?
He talks about "compromise", but why is it always us women expected to compromise? A true compromise would be to find a different space to do your business and respect women's privacy
Molly you have zero idea you’re just as dumb as a lot of these trans political types you have no idea what regular trans-women are like. We have zero desire to take on female spaces at all it’s only a very few types but do and you like to play on those individuals to hate on.
It's not, trans men also come into men's spaces. It's quite an equal set of changes. I personal think we should just go back to unisex toilets and rooms with individual cubical as it used to be.
@@jamesb2462I get what you are saying but it is clearly more dangerous to have men in women's spaces. Women and girls are not as physically capable of fighting off male attackers due to male strength. A man has a far better chance of fighting off another man than a woman does. Not to mention there are some men who are looking for any loophole to allow them into women's spaces where women are more vulnerable. There have been women filmed by men pretending to be women in locker rooms and showers because of this nonsense. Then we have to consider that 9/10 children accompany their mothers to the restroom instead of there fathers because of the presence of strange men in men's restrooms. Women are also taught at a young age, rightfully so, to be wary of strange men. There are of course female offenders but the majority of predators are male and the majority of those crimes are committed by men. A transman may make a man uncomfortable in a men's restroom but for women and children it can be downright dangerous. I do not see it as an equal set of changes. Then of course there is the basic unfairness of men who are by and far stronger due to their biology to compete against women in sports. I do not think it is the same for men with transmen. If anything they may have the fear of hurting them because they are essentially just women. I do however agree with you that I would rather have single facilities than to have to share a toilet or locker room with anyone, especially if the opposite sex may be present.
Good one. I like pantsuits, stockingless and quit make up with bleached hair. Same body female. Was obedient to culture, silently intolerant, found a comfort zone. Outing is confronting.
@@user-dw3wp1oc9e I don't understand what you are saying. You like pantsuits, got it. Stockingless...I don't know what that means. Likewise, what is "quit makeup"? You're silently intolerant? I'm not sure why that would be a value or virtue but maybe you mean something else. You found a comfort zone, OK? And "outing is confronting". Yes it is but what you saying? Have you been outed? Are you accusing others of outing you or someone else? There's no context to any of these statements, they just kinda hang in mid-air like a fart.
Self awareness? From a yank? Come now, if they'd had self awareness they would never have left on the Mayflower and would simply have abided by the crown's secular rule.
Well, he is aware of how he does make others feel. He mentioned that men were uncomfortable with him in their bathroom, so he goes to the ladies' now. 'Cause who cares about the women if men are uncomfortable? My stance is, if you change yourself in such a way that both sexes are uncomfortable with you you must have the grace to avoid both spaces as much as possible. If not possible, go to the bathroom you clearly look like. He looks like a man, so he belongs there. If in doubt, you go to the mens'. It's not that hard.
So sick of hearing about these people's rights. What about my rights as a legitimate woman. Why should I have to share a bathroom with these people etc etc.
women's rights were erased by Biden administration and given to trans. Then he hosted them on white house lawn and said "I like trans because they fight back." I'm old lefty, never thought a president would rejoice in taking away women's right to exist to appease 1% men who assault, scream, and terrorize real women. 1% does not get to rule womens lives. Saying this is "unkind to trans". I want this stuff out of classrooms, it is wrecking families.
Just stop putting anything in front of WOMAN As soon as you go with …biological, legitimate, real, etc…gives the trans ideologists room to state that ther is another category of woman. There isn‘t. No one that doesn‘t produce eggs is a woman.full stop.
Autogynephiles never accept that we real Trans women have the nucleus of the stria terminalis in the brain identical size to a genetic heterosexual female, because Autogynephiles brains are identical to heterosexual males. They are NOT TRANS. They have a paraphilia.
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
This man SHOULD NOT being going into women changing rooms or toilets. His lesbian friend who invited him swimming IS NOT the representative of all women in women’s spaces and it’s extremely selfish of her to behave as if she is. Shame on her.
Damn right. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable with a man swinging his d*cl at me in a changing room, but I wouldn't feel uncomfortable at all with a man coming into the ladies toilet and going in the cubicle next to me. That wouldn't bother me, as long as there's a wall between me and him. HOWEVER, this should not be the standard situation that all women have to live with based on my own personal experience of comfort/discomfort. ALL women have the right to feel comfortable in a women only space. -- As all men have to the right to feel comfortable in a men only space. (Which is why I always disagreed with women forcing their way into men only clubs etc.)
Especially going to the one gym in the entire country that is GC and actually stands for women. He could have gone to any other gym, but he chose to go there. Forever pushing boundaries, constantly dismissing women, always wanting to violate our spaces.
A woman who has the worst physical problems, depression, deformatives etc. because of very large breasts, doesn't get a surgery paid by the NHS but he does.
Agree. Getting very tiring this is treated as a question between men and men in dresses. Stop trying to get into girls and women's spaces, we deserve to have our own spaces. They are for OUR SAFETY, NOT FOR YOUR COMFORT.
I’m struggling with my feelings on this interview. Katy comes off as quite rational but then still doesn’t see the position he puts women in. Having been attacked multiple times by strange men, seeing Katy even walk through the women’s change room to the family cubicle would put me into a state of fight, flight or freeze. I’d never be able to go to that establishment again without going into a panic attack. Going to the family cubicle only gives HIM privacy. We however are the ones getting changed when without any warning or choice, are exposed and vulnerable due to one mans feelings being more important than our safety, security and feelings. And what he said about feminists supporting trans women is utter lunacy. Trans rights trample women’s rights. You can’t support trans rights over women’s rights and still be a feminist. Words still have meaning despite all the efforts to dismantle language and common sense.
I avoid facilities at all in general, my 2 swimming trips in 15 years will be my last. I would like to see more gender neutral single occupancy spaces. As to feminists... GC feminists call the T inclusive younger feminists not real feminists and the T inc feminists say the GCs aren't real feminists. A lot of the debate is between two groups of women about trans folk. Between two groups of LGB about T. The more US right wing anti T are just as anti LGB and abortion.
Katy said they are against transwomen being in spaces where they or women would be exposed. I'm definitely against that too along with prisons and sports. It's a small concession. There needs to be concessions in order to respect both sides
It's extremely misogynistic of him to think he deserves access to female-only toilets and changing rooms, because men using those spaces affects far more women and girls than them invading female-only prisons, sports and refuges. If trans-identifying people don't want to abide by sex-based segregation rules, then they need their own spaces, rather than abolishing sex-based segregation for the rest of us.
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
Absolutely. This statement should be made right after you freeze them by asking, what is a woman. No decent man wants to go into womens' spaces. @crissieberea4329
Exactly. Especially when the women are saying we don't want you here. A male invading a female space when the female is saying "no" has a very grapey vibe.
@@ponygirl1716 it insane this has to be stated. Our female ancestors had to fight for women only spaces to be created. The fact we're having to argue for it again, when crime stats make it self evident that they are still needed, is such a stain on modern life.
When they talked about a lesbian friend inviting them into a women’s changing room at a swimming baths, it reminded me of when I first “PEAKED” meaning becoming gender critical.I had a closer make friend who came out as trans “woman” and I fully embraced it. Taking them, shopping, makeup and beauty, and even buying a real hair fringe clip in to cover their receding hairline. I went out of my way to make them feel included an would try and relate to them by saying, “this is a colour corrector that women with darker skin sometimes use to cover and correct darker areas, so this would be perfect for you “ (meaning their five o’clock shadow but without saying it). I did what this “lesbian” friend did, taking my trans woman friends hand and pulling them in the ladies toilets saying I was welcoming them in. However, this trans woman was taking the NHS where they worked to tribunal over changing rooms. The NHs made them use a separate changing room and toilet in another building because they were male born. The changing room for staff were open communal changing with only one private cubicle. The trans friend wanted me to come as a woman, to give my perspective at the tribunal, to support the trans woman’s claim of discrimination and state that I was fine with the, in women’s spaces. I paused because I knew that there were nurses and doctors who had religious beliefs that did not allow them to change in front of males who are not family. I pointed this out to my so called friend, who immediately dumped me as a friend because I didn’t affirm them. The reason I was cut out of this trans identifying males life was because I didn’t validate them without question. I did think that their male born body being in the female only sex changing facilities was wrong. This was a cardinal sin in trans ideology. I couldn’t morally claim a male who believes themselves to be female had a right in female changing spaces after I thought about the implications, even when I had previously been supportive.
A good lesson for everyone to take notice of. These narcissistic men can only think about themselves, have no empathy for others, and in fact hate women, even though they claim to be women.
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
Funny how the trans women don’t want to change in male locker rooms for fear of their own physical safety, but then don’t understand why women get upset at the thought of trans identified males in female locker rooms. They lose their minds if you don’t accept their gender fantasy
But he still believes it is OK to go into womens changerooms and bathrooms, forcing women to sacrifice their privacy, dignity, and saftey, instead of holding true to his awareness, that "trans-women" are not any type of women. They are a type of men. It's up to men to adapt, not women.
He just talks absolute nonsense and sounds unhinged but makes sure he sprinkles in blah blah conversion therapy blah blah brains. Promoting trutrans and his 'middle ground' are the best.
He expects women to make accommodations for his feelings and needs but he won't make accommodations for women's feelings and needs for safety and privacy.
@@CassyCat4 don't worry about it, you won't understand even if we carefully explain it to you - your image says enough. You aren't functioning in reality but pride, feeling and ignorance.
I'm seeing a pattern here that males who identify as women have an incredibly poor understanding of women. It's odd because females who identify as men (while often hopelessly off base as teen girls of what being a man is) and medically transition seem to often get an experience of being a man and re-evaluate what that means. Trans identifying males just don't seem to go through that same period of self-reflection. Or maybe they just don't care about women.
it is because they are misogynists at the end of the day. The sole idea of thinking a woman is something you can identify, something you can have via hormones, clothes, surgery it's reductive. A woman is an adult human female, take a look of that definition, it means to be one you have to be: an adult, fully developed which is a biological marker. + female, which encompasses all our biology because through our body we exist. + human. Everything a human being experiences. That definition in itself it's very complete, includes species, development and experience, however these MEN insist that they can erase that in order to make of us a thing to be acquired.
KJ Keane & Helen Joyce often talk about this type of man doing the softly softly approach. ‘Look at me so lovely and nice and non threatening to women , be kind and let me invade women’s spaces’. Far more dangerous than the aggressive ones. A wolf in sheep’s clothing!
100%, and judging from the comments here, it sadly works on lots of people. It's those using the nicey nicey approach that opened the door, for men, to enter women's spaces. They also paved the way for the modern fanatics and zealots who get women sacked and arrested for saying things like "humans can't change sex"
I’m sorry, but you actually believe that this individual is more dangerous than the aggressive, militant, totalitarian activists who, in attacking and defaming women, reveal themselves to have narcissistic, psychopathic personality types? This individual has been willing to change views, political commitments, worldviews, positions, etc over time, is clearly willing to compromise, does not demand that people embrace him as a woman- is actually calling for tolerance, as opposed to submission and conpliance- and is entirely reasonable and measured in everything he’s saying. I disagree with him on some points, such as the feasibility of continuing to allow trans women in women’s spaces, but this person clearly doesn’t pose any threat or malice. I understand feeling so worn out and disgusted and angry by years of dismissal, disrespect, abuse by a totalitarian movement, but try to insist that he is as bad or worse is ridiculous; doing so is unfair to him, and it makes you look silly. Learn to embrace imperfect friends when you’re in a world full of bloodthirsty enemies.
Jon is trying his best to coerce female viewers to submit to his needs in the name of kindness. Not gonna' happen. Here's a message to Jon, stay OUT of all women's spaces all of the time - including when your female pal "invites" you in. That pal doesn't speak for the majority of women.
It's relief to read that some people can see through the facade. It's a kind of grooming and doesn't change the reality. If one is let in, the word no will mean nothing to anyone. Women's spaces are single sex for a reason and all of the "nice" women are creating danger for others.
@@joannalewis5279 All the other women and girls were in that changing room on the basis it's female only. In any case, individuals don't have the authority to change the single-sex policy of someone else's establishment.
@@joannalewis5279You realise women's rights are sex based, yes? Therefore these belong to all females. No woman has the right to give away other women's rights.
Society sometimes elevated the needs of the individual over the needs of the group and when it is pushed too far all hell breaks loose. Because a government makes laws that if people stop complying they can be imprisoned, lose their job, be shunned socially or attacked. We are living in very strange times.
Ultimately there is a self absorbed nature to all of this that I find unpleasant. I don't think feelings are more important than women and children being safe.
I dont have a problem if blokes want to identify as women, but should not be allowed into women's spaces. We shouldn't be forced to agree with the ideology or pronouns. I also feel we shouldn't be cruel to individuals if they choose to live however they want. They should be separate spaces for them. People who don't agree with this ideology shouldn't be made to feel guilty. There's two genders, which is a fact. However people should recpect other peoples choices to want to live this way, but they should have separate spaces. Biology says that they are not female. It's wrong that women are having to fight yet again for their right.
They cannot identify as women because they are not women. They are men, end of. Can they like and adopt stereotypical feminine fashion? yes. Can they have fake breasts slapped on their chests? yes, if they're consenting adults. Their choice to "live as women" ends when it infringes on women. Sex matters. Sex is reality. Gender roles and stereotypes are social and cultural.
He sounds reasonable then talks about how he’s breached women’s boundaries by using women’s changing rooms! If he really respected women he wouldn’t do that. Any man who ignores women’s boundaries and enters women’s same sex safe spaces weakens the safeguarding of women and girls. Another interesting interview and good to hear both sides.
Katy Jon breached women's boundaries by using family cubicle? Where should they change? As the question was proposed in the talk, what should a single father with daughters do? Take em to male changing room/ male toilet? Family cubicle sounded like fairly reasonable to be fair.
@@Qrtuop what I love is that terf was created as an insult and as women have done throughout history, it has been adopted and reimagined as a badge worn with pride.
@@tarksurmani6335 he had to walk through the changing room to get to the cubicle, where women will have been changing. So yes, he breached women's boundaries.
Being a tomboy wasn't a rebellion for me, it's who I am. I was merely more interested in climbing trees, playing outside, boys toys (not so much dolls). No interest in makeup or feminine clothes until Kate Bush & Debbie Harry entered my life. Prior to that I always preferred trousers because they were practical especially for cycling, messing around in rockpools. I feel sorry for children being confused by adults who think that because they fit my category then they must be a boy.
Kate Bush and Debbie Harry....you're obviously the same age group as me, they were my sisters favourite pop stars too. Ah, the good old days when this gender nonsense didn't really exist. Girls could be tomboys and it wasn't that big of a deal.
i was the same - loved playing football and climbing trees . Never a big deal just a happy childhood with no adults suggesting maybe I was really a boy...
Fellow tomboy here - climbing trees, riding skateboards, building forts, competitive sports and collecting spiders in the 70’s…I definitely fear I would have fallen prey to the current climate of social contagion in regards to gender identity. Here I am now, a very happily married mother of two…still have a bit more testosterone than the average woman but somehow look very feminine and complimented constantly on how pretty and young I look. I would have never thought I’d be this comfortable in my body but time has a way of working out our issues
Also I never BECAME a tomboy I always was and still am a tomboy at 60. I’m very much a woman, married with children & grandchildren just never into pink & frilly and not scared of getting my hands dirty by doing diy or maintaining my car.
Katy sounds very reasonable but men will never understand the inner world of women (I.e. biological female),we are different for so many reasons; biological,cultural, economical,sociological, historical - it forms the backdrop of who we are and such commonalities span geopolitical divides..the most pressing issue about this debate comes down to harm - women and girls need their own spaces because those outliers represent threat and it is not worth that risk for our daughters and their future outcomes
I'm formerly a trans person. I went through hormone treatment and got a double mastectomy -- I had a beard. After seven years living as a man, I detransitioned, and have since done a deep dive into my psychology and beliefs. Now, I absolutely do not believe in transgenderism, but believe that it is a manifestation of several different cultural and philosophical ideas clashing with psychological trauma. Real health is acknowledging one's own subjective reality, but that being subservient to, and accepting, objective reality. With that said, we have a responsibility and duty toward others, to also help them be at peace with objective reality. I know many people won't agree with my traditional views, but having been on the extreme side of the self-expressive fence, I see the destruction that the transgender ideology wreaks on societies. Women aren't and cannot become men, and men aren't and cannot become women. You can become a chimera, and something less than either, but surgery and hormone treatments will never make you what you want to be.
This person is discussing the privilege given to men who wanted to move around in the world as women and were therefore were allowed a female passport in the late 1950's to allow safe passage. And yet it was only After the Sex Discrimination Act was passed in 1975, that an actual woman could open a bank account in her own name and apply for a mortgage in her own right without the the countersigning of a man. As for public toilets, women were constrained by what was known as the Urinary Leash. Basically tethering them to the home as there were no designated women's toilets. Our rights have been hard fought for and require protecting.
For thousands of years the world wasnt littered with toilets either, but that never stopped men from venturing out...the urinary leash is mostly an imaginary barrier...
@@rey_nemaattori Because men can piss standing up and without getting fully naked and without getting sexually assaulted when they do. Women can't. Women also bleed on regular basis. The only thing imaginary here is your weird view of the world you have conjured in your head where women have/had no issues and reality does not exist.
@@georgehowarth5932I don’t know if that is true. In ‘75 I’d already had a couple years of college and received a visa and “master charge” card. I know I had a bank account that I got on my own.
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA... nonsense! Modern fmeinsim teaches us women ruled men, were equal hunters, warriors and priests and ruled the world. Stop nonsense and get with the program.
No, Katy, you don't have the right to enter the women's changing room, even if your lesbian friend invited you in. She does not have the right to give women's rights to privacy and single sex changing facilities away, and she was wrong to have done so. I'm sorry that you don't want to use the men's or that some men have refused to share space with you... but women ALSO refuse to share space with you, but whose wishes will you abide? The men's or the women's? If you want to make a real difference, campaign for third spaces for trans people to use. (So many males who identify as trans don't want 3rd spaces because it doesn't validate them. So good luck with that!)
Funny how it's not a problem in Scandinavia. Is it more a thing of not being at ease with our bodies in Anglo-Saxon culture? The Nordics and Europeans are much more relaxed.
This guy is fun, seems like he's comfortable as he is now, but the truth is he is very male in both his appearance and his personality. Also, he looks like Ozzy Osbourne. 😂
@KatyJonWent I wonder if you would clarify something from this interview: in regards to changing rooms, restrooms, and the like, what solution were/are you suggesting? Are you saying you should be allowed in the designated women's space, that there should be a third neutral space, or that the entire system needs to be remodeled to something with more privacy regardless of gender? Thank you.
"We have to. Be kind and do whats considerate when it comes to prisons"........ Kindness for CRIMINALS?? AM I hearing that right??? Seriously, a violent rapist needs to be treated with KINDNESS??? MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT THAT US UTTER BS???? 🤔
It isn’t ‘a little less likely’ that men will develop breast cancer. It is A LOT less likely…. According to the American Cancer Society: Breast cancer in men is rare - less than 1 percent of all breast cancer occurs in men.
But estrogen increases the risk for breast cancer. Women who start menopause late are more likely to get breast cancer. A man taking female hormones for decdes would probably be more likely to get breast cancer than other men even if they're still less likely to get it than women.
@@Primalxbeast yes for biological women it is important to know how long you’ve been exposed to estrogen, age when you started menses and age when you started menopause. The longer your exposure to estrogen, the higher the risk for breast cancer. As for men taking estrogen, we will see if that increases the number of men diagnosed with breast cancer. The current data says that men are less than 1% of all breast cancer diagnoses. We do not have longitudinal studies on the impacts of men taking female hormones or of women taking male hormones. The big numbers of trans identifying people are in the 2 youngest generations 24% and 28% and it will be years before we have data that can confirm or deny estrogen increasing breast cancer in biological males. Until the data is in, we cannot declare that estrogen increases the risk of breast cancer in men. Men have some estrogen just as women naturally have some testosterone. I haven’t seen any studies linking current breast cancer cases in men to their lower levels of estrogen. If you’ve seen some, please let me know.
@ginaweith9475 TH-cam's algorithm must be drunk. For some reason, your reply to me seems to be hidden. I can see it in my notifications, but it doesn't seem to be showing up in the comment thread. You didn't say anything that could be offensive. Yes, men taking cross sex hormones probably still have less of a risk for breast cancer than women. I started menses in elementary school, and I'm 53 and still having periods, although they're getting unpredictable. So, I probably have a higher risk, but at least it puts off osteoporosis for a bit longer.
He is not a woman, Andrew. He can live his life any way he chooses because he is free to do so but I am sick of the erosion of the gender female. Call yourself a trans man. Also makeup does not make a woman, nor long hair, nor any external display.
@@flangekiwiA male who identifies as T or simply, a man. No disrespect to men who identify as T but using words such as TW implies they are some sort of woman, they're not, they're a type of man.
Thanks for the interview Andrew. I am very tired of hearing these peoples arguments. When this situation was extremely rare and most of these people were respectful to others, society could shrug their shoulders and let it go. Now, the ideology is going after our children and some of these men are boldly and rudely going into women's spaces. I have personally had to deal with this, I am a women. It should be completely illegal for any type of man to go into any women's spaces, whether they still have their 'willy' or not. Birth certificates should not be allowed to be changed and when these people break laws, abuse or harm others the records should indicate their biological sex. As a woman I am getting really sick of all of this.
The idea of caretakers with elderly trans people absolutely floored me. They want caretakers to actively ["play"] them for them as part of their caretaking duties to keep the hole open.? I couldn't do that. Wow. Obviously, there's been a lot of talk about things happening to the body, but not a lot of talk about these people becoming elderly. That was an interesting thought process the doctor had. Very real.
If you watch Matt Walsh's "what is a woman?", some very interesting matters are raised. Not typically discussed by anyone... -the pharm industry makes an average of about a million U.S.dollars per transitioner. (guessing this is partly because some drugs/supplements/etc are meant to be continuously taken until the person passes away.) -Many who transition develop serious and uncomfortable side effects, and a lot of them pass away within about 7 years of their transitioning. (so those claiming 'suic1dal BECAUSE bullying.... well, it sounds like more like wanting to end constant physical pain from the consequences of surgery. May also be some shame attached to having to acknowledge the reality that side effects were not discussed, and that is partially the fault of the person who had the work done) Honestly, the million dollar incentive to push this (at best experimental) agenda..... that alone is enough for me to oppose it.
@@marym922 Indeed. They implement it in a wide variety of ways, and this is just one of them. Very sick people run the show. They happen to be dreidel-players, if you get my drift. You’ll also notice that whatever we aren’t allowed to talk about happens to be the truth they don’t want the population at large to learn the truth about.
He mustve been sampling too much of the stock. Beer goggles 3 inch thick would be required. These ppl love to tell us how everyone tells them how well they pass and tell stupid stories about women telling them "oh you're more of a woman than me!" 🙄
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
1) "Woman" isn't a social construct. The social constructs are the individual stereotypes (Clothing, hairstyles, personality etc). We each choose a unique set of stereotypes not "man", "woman" or "non-binary". Choosing female stereotypes (and making superficial changes to their body via surgery) does not make someone a woman. 2) Nobody can "identify as" a woman because membership of the "woman" group is based on biology. 3) Nobody can "feel like" a woman. A woman knows from her biology that she's a woman. There's no evidence that there's a single common feeling of "woman" because it's impossible to compare the feelings of people. And women have individual feelings that depend on specific biology (Periods, pregnancy, menopause etc).
My thoughts exactly! How would he know what it feels like to be a woman, any more than I would know what it feels like to be a man? Moreover who says all women feel the same as women? My experience and feelings are my own and are not representative of all women but rather are my own.
Common sense halleluja, but please dont talk truth, you'll be labeled 'phobic' because you have a thinking brain. People ruled by 'feelings' struggle with being in touch with basic rational thought, i.e. thinking. They still refuse to define what it is they 'identify' as - thinking you are something but refuse to give it concise linguistic definition makes the thing you think you are...imaginary. A womb is not an imaginary social construct. Its real. People with that are ....woman. Feelings gets you nowhere. Please bring 'patriarchal' rationality back.
Gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is the sex you identify as. Cisgender people experience gender dysphoria when they get PCOS-induced facial hair or gynecomastia.
I think the reason the debate has become polarised is because organisations such as Stonewall and Mermaids have adopted a no debate stance, so no option to reach a middle ground, or discuss how the competing needs of different groups can be in conflict.
What do you do when the BBC pits you against an individual who has a declared aim of trans elimination? We would not expect that of any other group of people.
Yeah, it must be incredibly hard for one to question obvious man about his creepy public behaviour than, say, Blaire Robert White, Buck Susan Angel or Sarah Higdon who want to be seen as the good, true ones. I wonder if Andrew would have the same measurement of courage to ask them the same sort of hard-hitting questions or would he proceed a bit more gingerly? When the targets are easy, bullseyes are easier to score after all.
The hardest / best about this conversation is for someone in Katy's position to listen to the questions and think about them. Even if one does not see the fetish gear perspective for one self yet.
‘Katie’ made the problem regarding boobs in male changing rooms - ‘ Katie’ needs to undress in the male changing room - ‘Katie’s lesbian friend has no right to give away female only spaces !
I just say if they still have their male parts they should feel disphoric and not want to show that to others. They would go into a private part of the space
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
Excellent interview. Thank you Katie for your consideration of how many women feel on this issue and for your honesty and openmindedness. I sensed a genuine willingness on your part to learn and grow, which seems to be a stumbling block contributing to much of the divisiveness we are experiencing. I also appreciate men like you, Andrew, who care enough about women to address this from a male perspective. Please continue to do so.
Thanks. For some I've moved too far away from TRA party lines and for GCs not far enough away from being Trans! I get called to detransition by both trans and gender critical activists!
Woah! Hold my socks!!! "I have had men who have refused to share a space with me". So clearly the alternative is to go into womens spaces because I guess if they refuse at least you have the dominance and upperhand over them? Mother flipping cactus. I'm 33m in. This has been a great and critical debate so far I have really enjoyed points from both sides. He just the quiet part outloud though, making women uncomfortable is easier for him than making himself or other men uncomfortabke. Mother flipping toast.
Thanks Andrew. Katy, i didnt really get that you cared about how women and girls feel in changing rooms...it felt a little ' me me me'...the problem is youve never experienced what being a women is....
I've spoken about that elsewhere it's why most of the time I avoid gendered spaces altogether, use disabled where possible (as I am) and support SS spaces in prison, refuges etc
That’s because it is always about them with these individuals honestly that’s why there’s a growing amount of “anti trans” going on. It’s blatantly selfish to disregard someone else’s safety just because you “feel” like a you’re a woman. And the way they carry on tells me it’s not about using the bathroom it’s more about getting their way & probably getting off on it. 🤮
The only reason the bartender or whoever said ‘sir’ and ‘ma’am’ to them is out of sheer politeness and/or fear. I work in that type of environment and I assure you that’s all it was. He knew he was dealing with two trans folks and didn’t want any trouble.
We know that exhibitionism, and other paraphilias,tend to progress & cluster. Lots of words but little said by this man. Similar presentation to Eddie Izzard a little disingenuous imho. No men of any kind in female spaces please.He shows no empathy for women at all. No man has any type of V@gin@ OR Cl*toris...how insulting to women.
@@calstonjew Make up isn't designed to mock women. So it's apples to oranges. Your point of view is incredibly backwards. The idea that a piece of garment has to belong to a certain sex or else is ludicrous. What's your opinion in leggings? Are men allowed to wear those? where do we draw the line, exactly?
Nothing inheriently wrong with a man or woman wearing atypical clothing that is stereotypical for the opposite sex. To push those stereotypes on an individual is sexist as there is no stringent way a male or female should dress other than requirements for both of them such as no indecent exposure, no blackface because of it's offensive ties to slavery - similar to how it would be offensive to wear swastikas. To argue that wearing a dress makes a man in any way womanly is regressive for the argument of trying to keep men out of woman spaces so it seems far simpler and reasonable to accept that it is perfectly fine for a man to wear a dress.
@@Bigball_Bill Nothing inherently wrong with blackface either. Men making a mockery of femininity and women's bodies is offensive to women. I find women acting like watered down men to be offensive as well. Women's clothes are designed for women's bodies, not men's. Men look stupid when they wear that stuff, and are indicating by dress and action that they don't deserve a place at the Adult's Table. Our society has rules and customs. You can fight against them if you wish (isn't freedom great!), but you can't also expect society to applaud you for doing so! Why do you want men to enter women's spaces? You want to open a loophole that would allow sexual predators access to their prey? Men are stronger than women. Did you not know that, or have you been brainwashed by LGBT propaganda? The cult you are a part of is mutilating and sterilizing children, and making the West look like a complete joke to our enemies in China and Russia. Every race on Earth has been a slave at some point in time. There is nothing special about what happened to African slaves in America that should grant them preferential treatment in the present. You have no problem with them mocking White people and Asians.
I doubt it. People got hypercritical about the social change of gay people's acceptance in spaces like camp counselors or boyscouts or marriage or adoption. That didn't change the fact that the social change became acceptable and voted for. This is just another social movement which will be accepted one day.
@@SpookeyClown acceptance of both the Gay and Trans agendas has gone way way down,or more likely we were told we were ok with it and for a while we didnt question that fact but then we woke out of our stupor and said "hang on this is not ok" Most people are not happy with gay adoption,openly gay teachers ect and the trans issue after about 10 years max has reached its peak,I think you will find there is a massive push back coming and we are heading into a new puritanical age
@@SpookeyClownI don't know about that. I'm gay and this has really affected LGB people negatively. People think we supported this and they'd be forgiven for thinking that given the LGBT blah, blah and pride flags etc. Perception matters so much so that LGB acceptance in society is going down. If LGB people had any sense they'd be out in their masses supporting women and kids.
@@joce11 So being trans means you're a predator? lol. I thought trans women were mostly confused gay men? You people really can't stick to one subject.
The narcissism is self evident. Good for you, Andrew, asking the questions so we can observe the responses. Questions which are regarded as 'transphobic' merely because they seek accurate answers.
Narcissism + Misogyny = Common characteristics seen in the trans community. Serious question..... If I identify as a millionaire, is my bank required to affirm me and deposit a million dollars in my bank account? #FreeCriticalThinking
A man getting a boob job or developing breasts from hormones doesn’t grant him the right to use a woman’s space. If you make those changes to your body it’s your responsibility to accept how that affects you in society. I’m very heavily tattooed, and it’s my responsibility to understand that heavy tattooing will have an effect on the way I move through society. If you feel uncomfortable taking your fake breasts into a male changing room that’s on you and should have been something your considered before having it done. It’s not women’s job to save you from your own decision.
“I feel like a woman” it translates to me more like …. “I refuse to take the responsibilities a man should take and I feel like women are having it easier so I want to be a woman, because mom, because dad, because trauma”. I don’t support this movement. To me is just another way men abuse women.
It is absolutely impossible for a man to "feel" like a woman. A woman never feels like a man with beer tits and there are plenty of those who don't "identify" as a woman - look at Bill Gates. Full set of tits. Bloke.
First 5 mins, am having a very strong response to reducing "what is a woman" conversation down to : long hair and nails". Repeated. Christ. Imagine reducing a conversation about black and coloured people to such cliched lines. Women are getting such a lousy deal in all this. God I am angry.
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
@@nightwingvyse The feminist movement largely supports trans people because the gender binary (which puts forth the notion of there only being two immutable genders) is part of what leads to patriarchy. According to Cailin OConnor’s book The Origins of Inequality, when humans can perceive difference, that is what leads to hierarchies. So feminism supports trans people because societal trans acceptance will help muddy the waters between what the perceived cultural differences of men and women are.
@@nightwingvyseThey're not. Feminists have been virtually the only people opposing this ideology, making legal challenges to it that have protected our rights, started organizations to fight against it, conducted protests at sporting events, prisons, shelters, universities and in general, writing books, articles, doing interviews. They're the ones getting arrested, fined, fired, cancelled, banned, threatened, shamed. They've been doing this activism for over 50 years. They warned society of this growing threat to *all* of our rights decades ago, especially to those of girls and women, but were and are ignored precisely because they're feminists. So enough with "where are all the feminists"?. The question is where have you all been while this toxic, sexist dogma has been quietly encoded into policy and law?
Note: in the 80s it was not called "gender rebellion" (the term Katy used in this interview), it was called "gender bending" and it was an awful lot of fun. Otherwise, my impression of this conversation is of two jocular blokes making light of what are very serious issues for women, children and trans widows.
There was rebellion against the older post-war generation and social norms. Nothing to do with changing gender. We all know what is referred to as a bender.
Gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is the sex you identify as. Cisgender people experience gender dysphoria when they get PCOS-induced facial hair or gynecomastia.
I remember my fathers friend transitioned when he was around 50. Devastating his wife and 3 teenage boys. That poor woman, the lies and deceit, the humiliation, shame, etc... then she had to - on top of everything else, be strong for her 3 teenage boys who were equally as devastated and were relentlessly teased at school for their Dad being a 'c*ck in a frock'. (That's what I remember the boys chanting at them, all whilst going through puberty themselves. They say ' I've always known' . Why did they ever get married and have children then. The selfishness knows no bounds.
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
So in men’s changing rooms, he’s never been attacked. (One of the myths TRAs like to promote)) He also agrees he doesn’t “pass“. I think he doesn’t want to use men’s changing rooms now because he knows he just looks silly.
Even IF transwomen were being attacked in men's toilets and changing rooms, why must women bear the burden of giving up their safety to protect men from the violence of other men?
@@thisismyyoutubeaccount3322Is this your argument for keeping mixed gender toilets? If so, it’s a terrible one. I agree that a lot of attacks on girls by boys happen in schools, but most people want to stop that happening, not excuse it. Also, there are many bathroom attacks that don’t take place in schools. We could solve that by, I dunno, not letting men into women’s and girls’ spaces. Men who pretend to be women or girls can use a third space.
I'm a woman and i no longer use open change areas. I no longer use the showers unless they lock. I check areas more thoroughly now that i know nobody would confront a man walking in there. I've been cowed. 😢
I no longer go to the local swimming pool as I don’t want to deal with the possibility or now perhaps probability of encountering males. It’s sickening that thanks to ‘kindness’, often of women, women’s rights have been roiled back a century or more.
How old are you? I was part of original feminism. I stand proudly and will stand alone for our feminist rights. During the origins of feminism, a man, who claimed to be a woman, entering toilet/changing rooms, women's sports, a man may try it Once, but after getting a reception never twice. Stand proudly sister!,
I agree. We've lost "tolerance." We are expected to accept everything automatically! We can't all know everything or anything, for that matter about everything. Tolerance is not only, "putting up with." Tolerance many times is a gateway to acceptance. Without being "allowed" to tolerate, everything becomes black or white / yes or no. In this world that moves faster than the mind can think, we are destroying any kind of discussion and no one has time to learn about or even listen to someone's point of view. Also, it's not a crime to disagree with someone! Thank you for this wonderful channel!
Exactly. He chose to chop off his penis and by taking opposite sex hormones grown some breast tissue he calls himself trans-women. He is some kind of trans but not a woman
I love that both of you are open to having a conversation even though you don't necessarily agree. I really miss the time when a difference of opinion was the the beginning of an interesting conversation instead of an argument or worse.
Problem is Andrew, unfortunately we now live in a world where we can’t say what we really think any more. We’ve all been gagged, metaphorically speaking.
It's less about the ability to speak and more about being heard. Our politicians aren't listening to us and corporate and public institutions are increasingly being policed by extremist activists, not to forget on-line bullying. But you are right, it takes real bravery to speak out in the public sphere in one's own name.
It’s not true. If you have your body surgically altered so you appear like the opposite sex of your biological sex, you are still your original sex. So it is not legalizing same sex marriage by the back door.
I believe we had, until fairly recently, complete tolerance as a society, of trans people. It was only when full acceptance and celebration were demanded that half of society rebelled and were moved toward intolerance. It was deemed that tolerance wasn’t enough, and so even that was withdrawn.
41:34 “do you or did you get any kind of sexual kick out of presenting as a woman?” Very interesting how long it took to start answering that question & how long winded that answer was. Interesting how yes or no wasn’t the answer. This tells me the answer is yes.
40-45+ years ago there was possibly an element of the forbidden about it but not sexual as I was pre any puberty. After that there was some "sensual" kick. I remember 18 years ago in therapy saying "I hope this IS a fetish, as I don't want to be trans". I worked through that, for 20 years, it became about avoiding being trans. These periods overlapped. I saw therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, a social worker, and even Christian ministers, in the end trans felt like a reluctant fate. There's been neither sensual nor sexual kick for 15 odd years. So I guess my answer is... it wasn't, it was, it isn't any more. Sorry if that's yes and no.
Part way through and this is hard work. He's utterly self involved and so unaware of the anxiety that women have from the presence of men in places they shouldnt be.
@@jossangeles4011 good point. I suspect living that way would necessitate being impervious to other people, but it sounded more like someone sounding off to their mate in the pub than a conversation.
Strong masculine energy completely dominating the conversation barely allowing Andrew the opportunity to ask any questions and cutting him off when he does. For this reason 10/10 Andrew!
My old manager at a large retail shop used to let a trans-woman into the woman’s changing room. But only with no-one else in there. It was like he was playing out his fantasy. It was dealt with well but the whole of society cannot adjust to this.
But it does affect other people. Women and girls specifically are being harmed by the erring on the side of kindness. Every time there is a conflict females are meant to yield. No, no no. A thousand times no.
Every time? Then how did you ever get anything? How did feminist lobby groups get the definition of rape changed in law? (and why but that's another issue)
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
I was a tomboy. A really tomboy type of tomboy. I was often mistaken for a boy. I hit puberty and I grew my hair and went about as feminine as the late 80’s allowed. Can you imagine if I was a tomboy these days? I’d have been transitioned in an instant! My Dad didn’t care I was a tomboy. He just let it happen and knew I’d grow out of it.
I dressed up and put on makeup all the time when I was a little boy and I grew up in a tiny conservative village. When I met my first trans person, I was 19 or 20.
@@matthewatwood8641 I’m sure you know this better then I do lol. It was actually the kids who bullied me for it, it was my dad who was so angry about it his head looked like a tomato when he was screaming and it was also my teachers who made me explain myself in front of a laughing class at 8 years old why I was always lending hairclips from the girls. Absolutely laughable what you are saying. Genderqueer expressions of different kinds have been a part of human history since the beginning of records. The fact that you are willing to ignore this shows how ignorant and ideologically stuck y‘all are. Gender dysphoria is a legitimate phenomenon that we have documents of going back thousands of years. You literally heard someone speak about it in this interview. There are reasonable debates to be had on trans issues but the plain and honest existence of people should really not be up for debate.
"I've had men refuse to share a changing room with me" I believe him actually but women are refusing to use a changing room with you. Why do you listen to the man? My dad never entered the women's toilets when he was looking after me and my sister.
Protecting biological women and girls from the risk of harm by keeping female only spaces female only spaces far outweighs the possibility of biological men's feelings being hurt by their exclusion from said spaces🌻You have your spaces they're called the men's room, the boy's league, men's league, men's division etc. You're covered.
I've learnt over many years that I should no longer engage with these people. (Becuase whenever I do, they try to get me fired or arrested). Good luck, Andrew!
Yes, they`re terrible people. The closest to fascists in our society... they won`t listen, they won`t respect, they won`t feel anything for others. And worse is, it`s obvious they won`t campaign for solutions such as separate sports, separate spaces etc...they`ll invade womens` because they`re men who can dominate more there. not so much in male spaces.
It seems like “transition” is the wrong word. It really is “pretending” or “playing dress up.” Some will even pretend to the extreme of using actual surgery to perpetuate the facade. There never is an actual transition to anything that is grounded in Truth.
I love that he felt able to come on the show and talk. His lack of understanding of actual womens needs and rights is disturbing. This is a man with long hair 🙄 I saw a friend of mine today who has long hair. He's not delusional to think he is a woman 😂😂😂
@@sarral2008 I'm not claiming to speak for all women 🤣 a large majority do express the same beliefs, though. You may not wanna hear it, but it's true 🤣
He didn't claimed to be a woman. And he doesn't think he is a woman. He said it clearly. Did you just heard what you wanted to hear instead what he actually said? That is also somewhat delusional.
But he still believes it is OK to go into womens changerooms and bathrooms, forcing women to sacrifice their privacy, dignity, and saftey, instead of holding true to his awareness, that "trans-women" are not any type of women. They are a type of men. It's up to men to adapt, not women.
Katy is great. Always a pleasure to listen to a person who is willing to be open, honest and able to consider and hold a good debate. Thank you. I'm sick of the modern, pushy 'trans' crown, force-feeding me their perspectives and covert personality disorders, without ( themselves) having as much as an ability to listen and honour a diversity of opinions.
Removing trans from the psychological condition list was a mistake. They could have reformed of how they treat trans people but now we have popularized which should have stayed as a small group
It's not really changed yet. He is wrong. We are not on ICD 12, as he said. We are on ICD 10. Gender dysphoria is classified like this. In DSM 5, it's classified as a mental disorder. There are DISCUSSIONS over how to classify it. And you are right, it should of course be classified as a mental disorder. Applicable To Gender dysphoria, unspecified Gender incongruence, unspecified Gender-role disorder NOS The following code(s) above F64.9 contain annotation back-references that may be applicable to F64.9: F01-F99 Mental, Behavioral and Neurodevelopmental disorders
I was pretty neutral on Katy before watching this, but he seems to be extremely disingenuous in this particular interview. Katy, your choices are not women’s water to carry.
She’s answering invasive and creepy questions from a defensive Zionist projecting his bs into some kind of differwnt conservatism now that he can’t go on about Zionism. German Germans acting like Germans in 2024.
The goal here, though, is to have all definitions decided by a central authority. The government decides what a woman is, and what harm is, and what safety is. Not you. And not the people who are being harmed.
It’s interesting that he relates a story where he is not the aggressor in trying to get into women’s spaces - it is now his mates fault. No mate, you are male, your mate probably just felt bad, she probably wanted you in there as little as every other women in there, but felt bad - something these men play on to get their way. Despicable
I think this can be confusing for those of us who remember the 80s and how we played with stereotypical gender dressing. We were taught that superficial characteristics like hair length and clothes had nothing to do with male or female and were fun to play with. So this current trend of superficial characteristics being THE deciding factor (E.g. the video where the trans person says "I have long hair and I'm carrying a purse, of COURSE I'm a woman) is just in direct contrast to our experience and feels insulting. I think that's why most people dont have a problem with "old school trans", because back then it seemed like there was a deep psychological issue that was based on more than hairstyle and outfit.
Wish Andrew had asked, "What do you think of the argument that if law allows trans-identifying males into female-only spaces -- bathrooms, changing rooms -- then any and every male can enter, whatever his history and intentions, which is a great problem for girls and women in general but especially those with traumatic experiences with males?" Andrew might have added this fact: trans-identifying males commit violent crime, abuse and assault at the same or greater rates as non-trans-identifying men. If society and the law get strict again about requiring ppl to use public facilities according to their birth sex alone whatever their appearance, fewer people will get cosmetic medicalisation & surgeries and more will instead seek effective psychotherapy. Went has made it difficult for himself to use male-only facilities, yet for females' sakes, it really is the only right thing to do.
That's just a theory. It's not based on fact that people wouldn't get any surgeries if people were required to use the bathroom of their biological sex.
He's not even made it difficult for himself, he just looks like a man with long hair. My step son has longer hair than him and has never had an issue with using male facilities.
Oh and the classic of blaming a woman (lesbian don’t forget) for making him enter a woman’s changing room! “Where am I supposed to change?” He cried, like that’s our responsibility…
It seems to me that artists like Bowie etc. don't adorn make up to be feminine or express 'gender differences'; to me it's more an expression of flamboyance with has nothing to do with sex or gender.
He asks where are trans people like himself supposed to change, meanwhile earlier in the video he was talking about how women fought for their own bathrooms...there's your answer, fight for third "gender neutral" bathrooms.
@@KatyJonWent We're about 3 bad decisions away from nuclear war, but somehow half of the Western World is overly concerned about where to take a sh!t. We've lost the plot.
@keithd2284 well Keith, even in a crisis, people need to sh!t. As you can see we are addressing many things simultaneously. Let's not 'what-about-ism' the conversation from protecting women's spaces, sports, scholarships, opportunities, etc etc. Women have a better chance of fighting to keep their rights than stopping governments from warring.
@@KatyJonWent man-made horrors beyond your comprehension would be a more accurate description. Mutilated penis would also be more accurate. The clitoris is a sex characteristic of the female sex/genitals, something you are not and do not have.
He argues for invading the women's spaces because the alternative is to use the men's while having breasts etc. But here's the harsh truth; It's not anyone else's problem but his own, or at least it shouldn't be. Nobody else forced this predicament on him. He's the one who consciously chose to go down that path and have those things done to himself. He explicitly claims that nobody is tricking people into this lifestyle (which many detransitioners would strongly disagree with by the way), and now he transfers that predicament onto society to either allow him to invade the spaces of the opposite sex, or to provide special privileges accommodations to him in some other way.
The "compromise" appears to be the whole of society upturning social norms, which exist for safety and dignity, to appease a small number of people who are suffering with a psychological issue.
That's the thing. This guy is talking as though there's a happy medium or halfway point. There isn't, as to compromise means risking women and children's safety.
@@wolfhugs2221well, if safety is the driver, we need to roll back the 🌈 stuff. And a lil segregation might be justified. If not apartheid. … hmm, maybe eugenics? Definitely safe.
Nobody is mistaking this man for a woman or his friend for a man. People are trying to guess what he wants to hear, because his cult has gotten so powerful that saying the wrong thing can cost people their livelihood.
Gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is the sex you identify as. Cisgender people experience gender dysphoria when they get PCOS-induced facial hair or gynecomastia.
Not finished yet but enjoying hearing this person say his views evolve and change as he learns more. I'm so fed up of (usually Boomers I've noticed) proudly say they haven't changed their position in decades. You shouldn't be proud of never changing your mind!
Live as you like but my freedom from fear is not negotiable. A stranger is still a stranger , no matter their appearance but I still do not have extend my trust to a much stronger stranger in an enclosed space.
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IMPORTANT: Despite our differences, I think Katy is very reasonable, and was courageous and transparent enough to travel to meet me, give up an afternoon and debate/inform me. Whether Katy is a he, she, or they, Katy is certainly not an 'it'. Remember the human in your comments, and use logic and reason WITHOUT ad-hominem attacks on Katy's person.
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Is it ad hominem to call a cult a cult?
If Katy was born with the genetic and physiology structure ordered to produce small motile gametes we know as sperm, then Katy is a male. He is a man. There are no 'if's' about this.
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An ad hominem logical fallacy is when you use an insult to try and argue a person's position must be wrong. The words, "a cult" would indicate a group's beliefs are "strange or sinister" so that probably counts.
Example: imagine Emperor Nero says, "These christians say Christos rose from the dead and they say the apostles are the flesh of Christ and drank his blood. They're a cult! Don't believe them".
In this example Nero's only reason offered to not believe Christianity is that they're a cult. Yet Christianity could be true or false regardless of if the majority finds their beliefs strange. So it's a logical fallacy.
I have heard the "anti gender movement" referred to as a "cult" and TERFs are mocked on a subreddit called "terfs_are_a_fetish or whatever it was. I've seen trans people called "trans rights activists " if out and seen any out trans person or intersectional feminist called a "cult" from the anti gender movement. It's poison either way to the discussion.
Note sometimes you just want to be insulting. I do a lot of time when I check out anti trans propaganda videos. I want to just say, "WTF, are you crazy?" because so much is said that even the first two minutes need massive clarification. Not an ad hominem to just plain insult or troll, it's the internet to flame, but it sounds like they don't want insults either because civility is being encouraged.
@@Susanmugen spoiler: gender transition theory is actually a cult. It's a belief system with no basis in reality that cannot tolerate criticism. I'm sorry you don't see it.
the worry is not about transwomen in changing rooms or bathrooms, that's been going on for decades and no one gives a damn as far as I know or at least , in my personal experience of being in bathrooms with transwomen:) the worry is that with self id, any creep can hijack trans identity, and go in as they want. The only protection there is, is the right to say no to any (male /XY) creep who might try following you in. Bathrooms - in pubs etc , have always been safe spaces to go if someone is being dodgy or to check in with your friend, away from men etc they're not just places to pee, they are wee havens despite no actual physical barriers - the barrier is psychological, and functions a bit like a hymen - it wont stop anyone but we hope you respect it. Anywhere where XX women are naked, or have their knickers round their ankles, the choice to consent as to whether anyone XY can enter is what makes those spaces feel safe, but self id would make this irrelevant. But no access would also mean transwomen would have to rely on good grace which makes them feel vulnerable and not accepted...idk why we cant just ensure gender neutral bathrooms as well as gendered everywhere but perhaps that's my ignorance.....? i'm still a bit confused about that - i find it weird that no one seems interested in finding pragmatic solutions, only ideological rants it's odd. I mean - I totally get why a transwoman wouldnt want to use the mens bathroom, but that's different from wanting specifically to use the womens, so i'm not sure which it is.
A man in Sweden killed and dismembered his girlfriend. He decided to transition (socially) in prison and got sent to the female prison without any questions. We have this extreme tolerance thing going on here in Sweden that is actually hurting women
When did it happen? I do not remember that.
We can only assume they want it to happen.
@@sarral2008 you know you can search the internet, right? Kim Marie Johansson: In 2014 Johansson was sentenced to 14 years in prison for murdering and dismembering her ex girlfriend, Vatchareeya Bangsuan. The case, known as the Boden massacre. In 2018, 27-year-old Johansson self-perceived herself as a woman and changed her name to Kim Marie Johansson.[6] According to Swedish law, no one could question it. She later applied for a transfer to a women's prison. She was imprisoned in Norrtäljeanstalten, after the Court of Appeal reduced her sentence to ten years in prison despite the prison management considering her extremely violent. ....
@@IsacriTothwow thank you for the info! I did not even know.
Happens really frequently in UK too, but they don't track data.
Really scary
Woman here who was raised by a single dad! He never once entered the women's changing rooms with me or my sister because he knew other men would not be in there! And yes, he would wait outside and if anyone did ask why he was there he would tell them I'm waiting for my daughters! Stop using that scenario to try to push men into changing rooms!
Thank you to your family for being respectful and decent!
Good. Me too. I raised a boy and a girl after my wife died, and I always did the same as your dad. Women's safety and security outweigh any man's delusion that his appearance changes his chromosomes.
A mother here. I initially took my son into the women’s toilets. Then he got older and I stood outside the men’s toilet, my ears straining to listen for any problems, and hated every second until he came out of there.
Indeed. Women could take their husbands in if it was a case of someone verifying that this guy is one of the good ones. It's not the point. Ease of mind and dignity. No man, however he wants to think of himself, should be in female only spaces. The social norms exist for a reason.
@@colinellicott9737 there was one time I was waiting to use the hairdryer in the changing rooms, loads of women and girls were waiting to use it. One woman left, then came back in a said "(our names) your dad is worried about you both, he asked if you're both okay" and she walked out. So I popped my head round the door and saw my dad literally biting his nails and looking worried! I get it, it must be hard waiting to see if there are any unusual sounds, or if your kids are distressed!
I can wear no makeup, cut my hair and nails and dress casually - I will still be a woman, always, for the rest of my life.
Being a woman is not about these kind of superficial attributes but it's typical for a man to think so. Oh the irony...
I think it detracts from the beauty of the human being when people have this going on. I'm personally sorry this is happening - I'd not want my children being in a world like the one we have now.
Truly. I agree 100%. There are too many words to even say but I don't even have the energy. I would call it infuriating
Why did he keep talking about long hair and long nails? I'm a woman, I was born a woman, I don't have long hair or long nails. It doesn't detract from my femininity. Where does this dumb stereotype come from and how do we get rid of it?
Unga bunga
We all have landed in the upside down 😭
I think it’s weird that trans people feeling comfortable is prioritized over other people feeling comfortable.
THAAAANK YOU
They have a choice to come out. We don't. We're just stuck with it and forced into silence.
It *is* weird.
But we never see transmen,
non binary people that still present as women, wanting to get naked in a room full of men.🤔
It is weird. I'm a woman, and I've been in a women's restroom when a male employee walked in and was washing his hands. I was freaked out because I initially thought that I mistakenly walked into the men's room. Then I realized it was a trans woman (I think), but he only had long hair and dressed like a man, so I was totally confused and freaked out why he was in there. Then I realized he was apparently trans, but I was afraid to say anything or show that I was startled because I didn't want to be targeted for being anti- trans, which I'm not at all. On another note, I have also been attacked by a random, drunk cis-man in a restroom. Fortunately my boyfriend saw him go in and threw him off of me, but it does happen and women need our safe spaces.
@rollerboogie Because you will never hear of transmen going into a men's lockerroom and undressing in room full of men.
It was when transgender women started entering women's sports that lost me, and then the transkids happened, which was the total end of any support from me.
I couldn't agree more. People can do whatever they want to themselves, dress however they want, call themselves whatever name they choose - I believe in total individual liberty in these areas (including use of drugs) - but the biological men in womens' sports thing and what I believe to be a cultural contagion of trans hysteria amongst teenagers in the US are very troubling.
For me it was "transwomen ARE women", and "not all women have uteruses" .
Exactly. Why the fuck do we have to be called chest feeders, uterus havers etc. The words mother, breasts, breastfeeding etc are being removed from hospitals now.
Would it be fair to say you don't support the activism, but basically didn't have an issue with someone going on their journey perhaps? Or are you unsupportive of people being trans at all?
Yes but they are men
He talks about "compromise", but why is it always us women expected to compromise? A true compromise would be to find a different space to do your business and respect women's privacy
Molly you have zero idea you’re just as dumb as a lot of these trans political types you have no idea what regular trans-women are like.
We have zero desire to take on female spaces at all it’s only a very few types but do and you like to play on those individuals to hate on.
It's not, trans men also come into men's spaces. It's quite an equal set of changes. I personal think we should just go back to unisex toilets and rooms with individual cubical as it used to be.
@@jamesb2462I get what you are saying but it is clearly more dangerous to have men in women's spaces. Women and girls are not as physically capable of fighting off male attackers due to male strength. A man has a far better chance of fighting off another man than a woman does. Not to mention there are some men who are looking for any loophole to allow them into women's spaces where women are more vulnerable. There have been women filmed by men pretending to be women in locker rooms and showers because of this nonsense.
Then we have to consider that 9/10 children accompany their mothers to the restroom instead of there fathers because of the presence of strange men in men's restrooms. Women are also taught at a young age, rightfully so, to be wary of strange men. There are of course female offenders but the majority of predators are male and the majority of those crimes are committed by men. A transman may make a man uncomfortable in a men's restroom but for women and children it can be downright dangerous. I do not see it as an equal set of changes.
Then of course there is the basic unfairness of men who are by and far stronger due to their biology to compete against women in sports. I do not think it is the same for men with transmen. If anything they may have the fear of hurting them because they are essentially just women.
I do however agree with you that I would rather have single facilities than to have to share a toilet or locker room with anyone, especially if the opposite sex may be present.
@@jamesb2462 Tell us a story of a transman with breast and a Vag go and undress in a room with men.
It would not bother me one bit if she was using the ladies toilets. She isn’t the real threat to women.
Cutting a tail off a mouse doesn’t make it a hamster
i love that!
Perfect analogy! 👏👏
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Good one. I like pantsuits, stockingless and quit make up with bleached hair. Same body female. Was obedient to culture, silently intolerant, found a comfort zone. Outing is confronting.
@@user-dw3wp1oc9e I don't understand what you are saying. You like pantsuits, got it. Stockingless...I don't know what that means. Likewise, what is "quit makeup"? You're silently intolerant? I'm not sure why that would be a value or virtue but maybe you mean something else. You found a comfort zone, OK? And "outing is confronting". Yes it is but what you saying? Have you been outed? Are you accusing others of outing you or someone else? There's no context to any of these statements, they just kinda hang in mid-air like a fart.
I’d be creeped as hell of I saw this dude in my changing room. A little self awareness of how unsafe you are making others feel goes a long way.
Would you want an AFAB trans man who has a beard and 18 inch arms in the restroom with you?
Self awareness? From a yank? Come now, if they'd had self awareness they would never have left on the Mayflower and would simply have abided by the crown's secular rule.
@@InservioLetumhe's not an American. He's English.
@@Madonnalitta1 I think this is a Russian troll/bot. Their youtube profile doesn't suggest they're a real person
Well, he is aware of how he does make others feel. He mentioned that men were uncomfortable with him in their bathroom, so he goes to the ladies' now. 'Cause who cares about the women if men are uncomfortable?
My stance is, if you change yourself in such a way that both sexes are uncomfortable with you you must have the grace to avoid both spaces as much as possible. If not possible, go to the bathroom you clearly look like. He looks like a man, so he belongs there. If in doubt, you go to the mens'. It's not that hard.
As a woman I do not care where a transsexual woman changes, as long as it’s not in a female dressing room. I am concerned with my space.
You don't care...
BUT😂😂😂
Seems you do care!
He's a man. Not a transsexual woman. He's a transsexual. Ok...I'll go with that.
Your statement is contradictory
I'm a man, not trans at all. can I come into a female dressing room, please? I'll be really quiet.
I think you mean a transsexual man?
So sick of hearing about these people's rights. What about my rights as a legitimate woman. Why should I have to share a bathroom with these people etc etc.
women's rights were erased by Biden administration and given to trans. Then he hosted them on white house lawn and said "I like trans because they fight back." I'm old lefty, never thought a president would rejoice in taking away women's right to exist to appease 1% men who assault, scream, and terrorize real women. 1% does not get to rule womens lives. Saying this is "unkind to trans". I want this stuff out of classrooms, it is wrecking families.
What makes you a legitimate woman?
@@powderandpaint14 Seriously? XX chromosomes. I can't believe we have to specify these things now. This world has gone stark raving.
@@marthaj67 I just think it's slightly odd language. We never had to specify that we were "legitimate" women before..
Just stop putting anything in front of WOMAN
As soon as you go with …biological, legitimate, real, etc…gives the trans ideologists room to state that ther is another category of woman.
There isn‘t.
No one that doesn‘t produce eggs is a woman.full stop.
This guy’s friend had no right to invite him into other women’s spaces. How dare she give away other women’s spaces.
That's a great response!
Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.
Autogynephiles never accept that we real Trans women have the nucleus of the stria terminalis in the brain identical size to a genetic heterosexual female, because Autogynephiles brains are identical to heterosexual males. They are NOT TRANS. They have a paraphilia.
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
That occurred to me as well.
This man SHOULD NOT being going into women changing rooms or toilets. His lesbian friend who invited him swimming IS NOT the representative of all women in women’s spaces and it’s extremely selfish of her to behave as if she is. Shame on her.
Damn right. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable with a man swinging his d*cl at me in a changing room, but I wouldn't feel uncomfortable at all with a man coming into the ladies toilet and going in the cubicle next to me. That wouldn't bother me, as long as there's a wall between me and him. HOWEVER, this should not be the standard situation that all women have to live with based on my own personal experience of comfort/discomfort. ALL women have the right to feel comfortable in a women only space. -- As all men have to the right to feel comfortable in a men only space. (Which is why I always disagreed with women forcing their way into men only clubs etc.)
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@@mfoltz3720I believe the OP is talking about his lesbian friend
I agree, that bit really rubbed me the wrong way. It's women like his lesbian friend that do the most damage. As a woman she should have known better.
Especially going to the one gym in the entire country that is GC and actually stands for women. He could have gone to any other gym, but he chose to go there.
Forever pushing boundaries, constantly dismissing women, always wanting to violate our spaces.
He should NEVER use a woman's space regardless of whether a woman invites him in.
Yes. The important word being "a" woman. It's not up to one individual to invite a man into spaces for women in general.
Except he ended up using family cubicle.
@@anantea ......in the women's changing room. He isn't a woman, so...
@@anantea Which was *Inside* the female changing room.
She can only invite a man into her OWN space. That is, her own bathroom.
A woman who has the worst physical problems, depression, deformatives etc. because of very large breasts,
doesn't get a surgery paid by the NHS
but he does.
That's not his fault though
@@hanwirtz4305 Who said it was?
I think you mean best
@@chuck3354 hi chuck! Experiencing pain due to breast size is not the “best,” you pervert!🥰
@@hanwirtz4305 Of course it's not Katy's fault, no one said it was.
Two men should not be telling women how they should feel
Agree. Getting very tiring this is treated as a question between men and men in dresses.
Stop trying to get into girls and women's spaces, we deserve to have our own spaces. They are for OUR SAFETY, NOT FOR YOUR COMFORT.
this exactly
@@elishh8173 You voted for this
Men should never invade women's spaces, like Olympic sports. And, women should not be invading mens spaces either. Like the boardroom.
Are men allowed to have opinions. Of course, I appreciate that no woman in the entire history of the world has ever tried to tell a man how to feel.
I’m struggling with my feelings on this interview. Katy comes off as quite rational but then still doesn’t see the position he puts women in. Having been attacked multiple times by strange men, seeing Katy even walk through the women’s change room to the family cubicle would put me into a state of fight, flight or freeze. I’d never be able to go to that establishment again without going into a panic attack. Going to the family cubicle only gives HIM privacy. We however are the ones getting changed when without any warning or choice, are exposed and vulnerable due to one mans feelings being more important than our safety, security and feelings. And what he said about feminists supporting trans women is utter lunacy. Trans rights trample women’s rights. You can’t support trans rights over women’s rights and still be a feminist. Words still have meaning despite all the efforts to dismantle language and common sense.
I avoid facilities at all in general, my 2 swimming trips in 15 years will be my last. I would like to see more gender neutral single occupancy spaces.
As to feminists... GC feminists call the T inclusive younger feminists not real feminists and the T inc feminists say the GCs aren't real feminists.
A lot of the debate is between two groups of women about trans folk. Between two groups of LGB about T. The more US right wing anti T are just as anti LGB and abortion.
Feminists put women first, not men like Went.
It's an abomination that people are allowed to do this and are protected by laws
Katy said they are against transwomen being in spaces where they or women would be exposed. I'm definitely against that too along with prisons and sports. It's a small concession. There needs to be concessions in order to respect both sides
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It's extremely misogynistic of him to think he deserves access to female-only toilets and changing rooms, because men using those spaces affects far more women and girls than them invading female-only prisons, sports and refuges.
If trans-identifying people don't want to abide by sex-based segregation rules, then they need their own spaces, rather than abolishing sex-based segregation for the rest of us.
yes,, but males in prisons and refuges have a far more devastating impact, overall, than a male identifying as a female in a woman's restroom.
ahh but then they would be admitting to what they are not
Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.
Why won't they just use the men's toilets, changingrooms? Are men less likely to be tollerant? Well they would know, seeings how they are men.😂
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
It’s not reasonable to want access to women’s spaces for any man. Not for any.
Absolutely. This statement should be made right after you freeze them by asking, what is a woman.
No decent man wants to go into womens' spaces. @crissieberea4329
Exactly. Especially when the women are saying we don't want you here. A male invading a female space when the female is saying "no" has a very grapey vibe.
@crissieberea4329 nicely put.
@@ponygirl1716 it insane this has to be stated. Our female ancestors had to fight for women only spaces to be created. The fact we're having to argue for it again, when crime stats make it self evident that they are still needed, is such a stain on modern life.
Get women out of men's spaces like the workforce.
When they talked about a lesbian friend inviting them into a women’s changing room at a swimming baths, it reminded me of when I first “PEAKED” meaning becoming gender critical.I had a closer make friend who came out as trans “woman” and I fully embraced it. Taking them, shopping, makeup and beauty, and even buying a real hair fringe clip in to cover their receding hairline. I went out of my way to make them feel included an would try and relate to them by saying, “this is a colour corrector that women with darker skin sometimes use to cover and correct darker areas, so this would be perfect for you “ (meaning their five o’clock shadow but without saying it). I did what this “lesbian” friend did, taking my trans woman friends hand and pulling them in the ladies toilets saying I was welcoming them in.
However, this trans woman was taking the NHS where they worked to tribunal over changing rooms. The NHs made them use a separate changing room and toilet in another building because they were male born. The changing room for staff were open communal changing with only one private cubicle. The trans friend wanted me to come as a woman, to give my perspective at the tribunal, to support the trans woman’s claim of discrimination and state that I was fine with the, in women’s spaces. I paused because I knew that there were nurses and doctors who had religious beliefs that did not allow them to change in front of males who are not family. I pointed this out to my so called friend, who immediately dumped me as a friend because I didn’t affirm them.
The reason I was cut out of this trans identifying males life was because I didn’t validate them without question. I did think that their male born body being in the female only sex changing facilities was wrong. This was a cardinal sin in trans ideology. I couldn’t morally claim a male who believes themselves to be female had a right in female changing spaces after I thought about the implications, even when I had previously been supportive.
A good lesson for everyone to take notice of. These narcissistic men can only think about themselves, have no empathy for others, and in fact hate women, even though they claim to be women.
Thanks for sharing this. It’s obvious you were useful until you had a differing opinion 🙁
I bet it feels good to be awake now huh? Congratulations
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
Funny how the trans women don’t want to change in male locker rooms for fear of their own physical safety, but then don’t understand why women get upset at the thought of trans identified males in female locker rooms. They lose their minds if you don’t accept their gender fantasy
Men pretending to be women may be tolerable, but telling others to pretend is intolerable
He isn't asking anyone to do that though. That's why Katy is one of the transgender people I like and actually admire.
But he still believes it is OK to go into womens changerooms and bathrooms, forcing women to sacrifice their privacy, dignity, and saftey, instead of holding true to his awareness, that "trans-women" are not any type of women. They are a type of men. It's up to men to adapt, not women.
Katy isn't doing that though.
Agreed. It is unkind to lie, as is imposing yourself in places you aren't supposed to be.
He just talks absolute nonsense and sounds unhinged but makes sure he sprinkles in blah blah conversion therapy blah blah brains.
Promoting trutrans and his 'middle ground' are the best.
Bathrooms and sports are segregated for the purpose of giving the two sexes a different space. It’s nothing to do with how you look or identify.
Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.
There is absolutely no way that this guy would be unsafe in a men's changing room. He looks like an average middle age man.
He looks like Mickey Rourke or Steven Tyler, or like 5 of my friends' dads who are into metal.
He’s gay but doesn’t want to be!
Absolutely 100%
@@daysofboyhood :))))
Definitely would never pass as a woman - stay OUT of women’s spaces!
He expects women to make accommodations for his feelings and needs but he won't make accommodations for women's feelings and needs for safety and privacy.
Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.
safety from?
@@CassyCat4 don't worry about it, you won't understand even if we carefully explain it to you - your image says enough. You aren't functioning in reality but pride, feeling and ignorance.
Safety from fkery. Letting men in the washroom allows not just trans women but men who have bad intentions.
Denial is all they have. It keeps the fantasy going.
I'm seeing a pattern here that males who identify as women have an incredibly poor understanding of women.
It's odd because females who identify as men (while often hopelessly off base as teen girls of what being a man is) and medically transition seem to often get an experience of being a man and re-evaluate what that means. Trans identifying males just don't seem to go through that same period of self-reflection.
Or maybe they just don't care about women.
Females who Identify as men don't understand the male experience either. It's exactly the same.
It's the mansplaining of these transvestite men coercing women and girls into being secluded or under- or unclothed with them.
it is because they are misogynists at the end of the day. The sole idea of thinking a woman is something you can identify, something you can have via hormones, clothes, surgery it's reductive. A woman is an adult human female, take a look of that definition, it means to be one you have to be: an adult, fully developed which is a biological marker. + female, which encompasses all our biology because through our body we exist. + human. Everything a human being experiences. That definition in itself it's very complete, includes species, development and experience, however these MEN insist that they can erase that in order to make of us a thing to be acquired.
True. Went actually said that the ultimate affirming as a woman is getting f***ed. His words. Grotesque and misogynistic.
Your last sentence? Bingo
KJ Keane & Helen Joyce often talk about this type of man doing the softly softly approach. ‘Look at me so lovely and nice and non threatening to women , be kind and let me invade women’s spaces’. Far more dangerous than the aggressive ones. A wolf in sheep’s clothing!
100%, and judging from the comments here, it sadly works on lots of people.
It's those using the nicey nicey approach that opened the door, for men, to enter women's spaces. They also paved the way for the modern fanatics and zealots who get women sacked and arrested for saying things like "humans can't change sex"
Yep. Because the public get manipulated into misplaced compassion
Yep the Blaire whites of the world
@@nikobellic570so so very true 🕊
I’m sorry, but you actually believe that this individual is more dangerous than the aggressive, militant, totalitarian activists who, in attacking and defaming women, reveal themselves to have narcissistic, psychopathic personality types? This individual has been willing to change views, political commitments, worldviews, positions, etc over time, is clearly willing to compromise, does not demand that people embrace him as a woman- is actually calling for tolerance, as opposed to submission and conpliance- and is entirely reasonable and measured in everything he’s saying. I disagree with him on some points, such as the feasibility of continuing to allow trans women in women’s spaces, but this person clearly doesn’t pose any threat or malice. I understand feeling so worn out and disgusted and angry by years of dismissal, disrespect, abuse by a totalitarian movement, but try to insist that he is as bad or worse is ridiculous; doing so is unfair to him, and it makes you look silly. Learn to embrace imperfect friends when you’re in a world full of bloodthirsty enemies.
Jon is trying his best to coerce female viewers to submit to his needs in the name of kindness. Not gonna' happen. Here's a message to Jon, stay OUT of all women's spaces all of the time - including when your female pal "invites" you in. That pal doesn't speak for the majority of women.
This
absolutley.. Jon.. have respect.
I disagree, it WILL happen because too many are too kind, too agreeable, too empathetic. That's how we got here.
It's relief to read that some people can see through the facade. It's a kind of grooming and doesn't change the reality. If one is let in, the word no will mean nothing to anyone. Women's spaces are single sex for a reason and all of the "nice" women are creating danger for others.
Who hurt you sis haha, Don't worry any female space with you storming up and down it isn't where trans people want to be.
So funny how people are perfectly comfortable saying ADHD is a mental condition but not gender dysphoria 😬
That woman who he went swimming room should not have suggested he go into the womens. Single-sex spaces are not for her to give away. 🙄
Well apparently she disagreed and I'm sure you respect disagreement
@@joannalewis5279 All the other women and girls were in that changing room on the basis it's female only. In any case, individuals don't have the authority to change the single-sex policy of someone else's establishment.
@@joannalewis5279You realise women's rights are sex based, yes? Therefore these belong to all females. No woman has the right to give away other women's rights.
@@joannalewis5279 We can't do just as we please, dear. We live in a world with other people in it.
Society sometimes elevated the needs of the individual over the needs of the group and when it is pushed too far all hell breaks loose. Because a government makes laws that if people stop complying they can be imprisoned, lose their job, be shunned socially or attacked. We are living in very strange times.
Ultimately there is a self absorbed nature to all of this that I find unpleasant. I don't think feelings are more important than women and children being safe.
Yes, let's end the patriarchy. It is the biggest threat to women and children.
Exactly. Protecting children is Everyone's responsibility and a basic moral value. No amount of wordestry can fool us out of that fact.
So trans people want to harm children? How? @@H-youtube7
But he's a MAAAANN! And men come first because you know, misogyny. Women and children are nothing in their world.
He's "uncomfortable" not wearing women's attire, so now everyone else is uncomfortable instead. Self absorbed deluxe.
I dont have a problem if blokes want to identify as women, but should not be allowed into women's spaces. We shouldn't be forced to agree with the ideology or pronouns. I also feel we shouldn't be cruel to individuals if they choose to live however they want. They should be separate spaces for them. People who don't agree with this ideology shouldn't be made to feel guilty. There's two genders, which is a fact. However people should recpect other peoples choices to want to live this way, but they should have separate spaces. Biology says that they are not female. It's wrong that women are having to fight yet again for their right.
They cannot identify as women because they are not women. They are men, end of. Can they like and adopt stereotypical feminine fashion? yes. Can they have fake breasts slapped on their chests? yes, if they're consenting adults. Their choice to "live as women" ends when it infringes on women. Sex matters. Sex is reality. Gender roles and stereotypes are social and cultural.
I see 2 men having a discussion. Full stop.
Yes but one man has lived this experience and is trying to explain what’s going on with them.
Absolutely….the Y chromosome DOES mean something
Need to interview way more feminine trans girls. This ain’t it!
Women talked about men without their input all the time.
@@charlesagnew3801 what does passability have to do with it?
He sounds reasonable then talks about how he’s breached women’s boundaries by using women’s changing rooms! If he really respected women he wouldn’t do that. Any man who ignores women’s boundaries and enters women’s same sex safe spaces weakens the safeguarding of women and girls. Another interesting interview and good to hear both sides.
I love the fact that Andrew Gold's comment section has gone full TERF.
@@Qrtuop terf is a silly made up word
Almost no woman has read radical feminist theory
But all women know what a bloke is
Katy Jon breached women's boundaries by using family cubicle? Where should they change? As the question was proposed in the talk, what should a single father with daughters do? Take em to male changing room/ male toilet?
Family cubicle sounded like fairly reasonable to be fair.
@@Qrtuop what I love is that terf was created as an insult and as women have done throughout history, it has been adopted and reimagined as a badge worn with pride.
@@tarksurmani6335 he had to walk through the changing room to get to the cubicle, where women will have been changing. So yes, he breached women's boundaries.
Being a tomboy wasn't a rebellion for me, it's who I am. I was merely more interested in climbing trees, playing outside, boys toys (not so much dolls). No interest in makeup or feminine clothes until Kate Bush & Debbie Harry entered my life. Prior to that I always preferred trousers because they were practical especially for cycling, messing around in rockpools.
I feel sorry for children being confused by adults who think that because they fit my category then they must be a boy.
Agreed 👍🏾
Kate Bush and Debbie Harry....you're obviously the same age group as me, they were my sisters favourite pop stars too. Ah, the good old days when this gender nonsense didn't really exist. Girls could be tomboys and it wasn't that big of a deal.
i was the same - loved playing football and climbing trees . Never a big deal just a happy childhood with no adults suggesting maybe I was really a boy...
Fellow tomboy here - climbing trees, riding skateboards, building forts, competitive sports and collecting spiders in the 70’s…I definitely fear I would have fallen prey to the current climate of social contagion in regards to gender identity. Here I am now, a very happily married mother of two…still have a bit more testosterone than the average woman but somehow look very feminine and complimented constantly on how pretty and young I look. I would have never thought I’d be this comfortable in my body but time has a way of working out our issues
Also I never BECAME a tomboy I always was and still am a tomboy at 60. I’m very much a woman, married with children & grandchildren just never into pink & frilly and not scared of getting my hands dirty by doing diy or maintaining my car.
Katy sounds very reasonable but men will never understand the inner world of women (I.e. biological female),we are different for so many reasons; biological,cultural, economical,sociological, historical - it forms the backdrop of who we are and such commonalities span geopolitical divides..the most pressing issue about this debate comes down to harm - women and girls need their own spaces because those outliers represent threat and it is not worth that risk for our daughters and their future outcomes
The debate comes down to the truth of the gender binary
@@mariussielckenEmpty, meaningless words. Keep them to yourself, and stay out of women's spaces.
@@mariussielckenIt’s true. As mammals and primates, we are binary.
Just as women will never understand what it's like to be a man.
He chopped his D off and he sounds reasonable to you? What are you consuming?
I'm formerly a trans person. I went through hormone treatment and got a double mastectomy -- I had a beard. After seven years living as a man, I detransitioned, and have since done a deep dive into my psychology and beliefs. Now, I absolutely do not believe in transgenderism, but believe that it is a manifestation of several different cultural and philosophical ideas clashing with psychological trauma. Real health is acknowledging one's own subjective reality, but that being subservient to, and accepting, objective reality. With that said, we have a responsibility and duty toward others, to also help them be at peace with objective reality. I know many people won't agree with my traditional views, but having been on the extreme side of the self-expressive fence, I see the destruction that the transgender ideology wreaks on societies. Women aren't and cannot become men, and men aren't and cannot become women. You can become a chimera, and something less than either, but surgery and hormone treatments will never make you what you want to be.
This person is discussing the privilege given to men who wanted to move around in the world as women and were therefore were allowed a female passport in the late 1950's to allow safe passage. And yet it was only After the Sex Discrimination Act was passed in 1975, that an actual woman could open a bank account in her own name and apply for a mortgage in her own right without the the countersigning of a man. As for public toilets, women were constrained by what was known as the Urinary Leash. Basically tethering them to the home as there were no designated women's toilets. Our rights have been hard fought for and require protecting.
For thousands of years the world wasnt littered with toilets either, but that never stopped men from venturing out...the urinary leash is mostly an imaginary barrier...
@@rey_nemaattori Because men can piss standing up and without getting fully naked and without getting sexually assaulted when they do. Women can't. Women also bleed on regular basis. The only thing imaginary here is your weird view of the world you have conjured in your head where women have/had no issues and reality does not exist.
That 1975 bank account thing is mental..!
@@georgehowarth5932I don’t know if that is true. In ‘75 I’d already had a couple years of college and received a visa and “master charge” card. I know I had a bank account that I got on my own.
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA... nonsense! Modern fmeinsim teaches us women ruled men, were equal hunters, warriors and priests and ruled the world. Stop nonsense and get with the program.
No, Katy, you don't have the right to enter the women's changing room, even if your lesbian friend invited you in. She does not have the right to give women's rights to privacy and single sex changing facilities away, and she was wrong to have done so. I'm sorry that you don't want to use the men's or that some men have refused to share space with you... but women ALSO refuse to share space with you, but whose wishes will you abide? The men's or the women's? If you want to make a real difference, campaign for third spaces for trans people to use. (So many males who identify as trans don't want 3rd spaces because it doesn't validate them. So good luck with that!)
100%!!!
Exactly. Just because you're "offended," that doesn't mean you're right 😊
Funny how it's not a problem in Scandinavia. Is it more a thing of not being at ease with our bodies in Anglo-Saxon culture? The Nordics and Europeans are much more relaxed.
I mean what about saunas?
This guy is fun, seems like he's comfortable as he is now, but the truth is he is very male in both his appearance and his personality. Also, he looks like Ozzy Osbourne. 😂
Yes. He strikes me as very male.
Perhaps because I've stopped trying to be anything and am content to just be
@KatyJonWent I wonder if you would clarify something from this interview: in regards to changing rooms, restrooms, and the like, what solution were/are you suggesting? Are you saying you should be allowed in the designated women's space, that there should be a third neutral space, or that the entire system needs to be remodeled to something with more privacy regardless of gender? Thank you.
Thank you for coming on! I really respect your willingness to speak publicly and engage in a critical conversation @@KatyJonWent
@@KatyJonWentI love hearing what you have to say. You are excellent. ❤
"We have to. Be kind and do whats considerate when it comes to prisons"........ Kindness for CRIMINALS??
AM I hearing that right???
Seriously, a violent rapist needs to be treated with KINDNESS???
MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT THAT US UTTER BS???? 🤔
How is being trans being a rapist.
It isn’t ‘a little less likely’ that men will develop breast cancer. It is A LOT less likely…. According to the American Cancer Society: Breast cancer in men is rare - less than 1 percent of all breast cancer occurs in men.
Trans fems are such a minority thats why, Biologically they form in to the same breasts as women if you medically transition so same risks.
But estrogen increases the risk for breast cancer. Women who start menopause late are more likely to get breast cancer. A man taking female hormones for decdes would probably be more likely to get breast cancer than other men even if they're still less likely to get it than women.
@@Primalxbeast yes for biological women it is important to know how long you’ve been exposed to estrogen, age when you started menses and age when you started menopause. The longer your exposure to estrogen, the higher the risk for breast cancer. As for men taking estrogen, we will see if that increases the number of men diagnosed with breast cancer. The current data says that men are less than 1% of all breast cancer diagnoses. We do not have longitudinal studies on the impacts of men taking female hormones or of women taking male hormones. The big numbers of trans identifying people are in the 2 youngest generations 24% and 28% and it will be years before we have data that can confirm or deny estrogen increasing breast cancer in biological males. Until the data is in, we cannot declare that estrogen increases the risk of breast cancer in men. Men have some estrogen just as women naturally have some testosterone. I haven’t seen any studies linking current breast cancer cases in men to their lower levels of estrogen. If you’ve seen some, please let me know.
@ginaweith9475 TH-cam's algorithm must be drunk. For some reason, your reply to me seems to be hidden. I can see it in my notifications, but it doesn't seem to be showing up in the comment thread. You didn't say anything that could be offensive.
Yes, men taking cross sex hormones probably still have less of a risk for breast cancer than women.
I started menses in elementary school, and I'm 53 and still having periods, although they're getting unpredictable. So, I probably have a higher risk, but at least it puts off osteoporosis for a bit longer.
He is not a woman, Andrew. He can live his life any way he chooses because he is free to do so but I am sick of the erosion of the gender female. Call yourself a trans man. Also makeup does not make a woman, nor long hair, nor any external display.
He didn't call himself a woman and didn't wear a makeup.
Katy doesn't have any makeup on though. You should really watch the video before making assumptions.
Trans woman in this particular case.
@@flangekiwi man in this particular case.
@@flangekiwiA male who identifies as T or simply, a man. No disrespect to men who identify as T but using words such as TW implies they are some sort of woman, they're not, they're a type of man.
Thanks for the interview Andrew. I am very tired of hearing these peoples arguments. When this situation was extremely rare and most of these people were respectful to others, society could shrug their shoulders and let it go. Now, the ideology is going after our children and some of these men are boldly and rudely going into women's spaces. I have personally had to deal with this, I am a women. It should be completely illegal for any type of man to go into any women's spaces, whether they still have their 'willy' or not. Birth certificates should not be allowed to be changed and when these people break laws, abuse or harm others the records should indicate their biological sex. As a woman I am getting really sick of all of this.
TBH I think the majority of folks are getting sick of it.
Absolutely, spot on.
Hi yes agree totally
The idea of caretakers with elderly trans people absolutely floored me. They want caretakers to actively ["play"] them for them as part of their caretaking duties to keep the hole open.? I couldn't do that. Wow. Obviously, there's been a lot of talk about things happening to the body, but not a lot of talk about these people becoming elderly. That was an interesting thought process the doctor had. Very real.
If you watch Matt Walsh's "what is a woman?", some very interesting matters are raised. Not typically discussed by anyone...
-the pharm industry makes an average of about a million U.S.dollars per transitioner. (guessing this is partly because some drugs/supplements/etc are meant to be continuously taken until the person passes away.)
-Many who transition develop serious and uncomfortable side effects, and a lot of them pass away within about 7 years of their transitioning. (so those claiming 'suic1dal BECAUSE bullying.... well, it sounds like more like wanting to end constant physical pain from the consequences of surgery. May also be some shame attached to having to acknowledge the reality that side effects were not discussed, and that is partially the fault of the person who had the work done)
Honestly, the million dollar incentive to push this (at best experimental) agenda..... that alone is enough for me to oppose it.
Never. Not in a million years.
@@marym922
It’s more than about money. tbgI (backwards) is about (dee. Pop you. Lay shun). We aren’t even allowed to talk about it.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I find myself nodding in agreement. You are right. It isn't just about the money, it IS ALSO about d pop agenda.
@@marym922
Indeed. They implement it in a wide variety of ways, and this is just one of them. Very sick people run the show. They happen to be dreidel-players, if you get my drift. You’ll also notice that whatever we aren’t allowed to talk about happens to be the truth they don’t want the population at large to learn the truth about.
I find it hard to believe that a barman mistook him for a woman.
He mustve been sampling too much of the stock. Beer goggles 3 inch thick would be required. These ppl love to tell us how everyone tells them how well they pass and tell stupid stories about women telling them "oh you're more of a woman than me!" 🙄
Probably felt he SHOULD use those words coz transactivism
And who says Ma’am and sir these days?
@@lisahurley7130 exaclty ... go into a pub "what can I get you?" is the opener ...
@@lisahurley7130 People whose employers tell them to.
No men in women's spaces.
NONE.
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
So you prefer bearded trans men in women's spaces than trans women with years of estrogenic HRT and neo-vaginas?
1) "Woman" isn't a social construct. The social constructs are the individual stereotypes (Clothing, hairstyles, personality etc). We each choose a unique set of stereotypes not "man", "woman" or "non-binary". Choosing female stereotypes (and making superficial changes to their body via surgery) does not make someone a woman.
2) Nobody can "identify as" a woman because membership of the "woman" group is based on biology.
3) Nobody can "feel like" a woman. A woman knows from her biology that she's a woman. There's no evidence that there's a single common feeling of "woman" because it's impossible to compare the feelings of people. And women have individual feelings that depend on specific biology (Periods, pregnancy, menopause etc).
"women born without reproductive organs aren't real women" real genius take
Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.
My thoughts exactly! How would he know what it feels like to be a woman, any more than I would know what it feels like to be a man? Moreover who says all women feel the same as women? My experience and feelings are my own and are not representative of all women but rather are my own.
Common sense halleluja, but please dont talk truth, you'll be labeled 'phobic' because you have a thinking brain. People ruled by 'feelings' struggle with being in touch with basic rational thought, i.e. thinking. They still refuse to define what it is they 'identify' as - thinking you are something but refuse to give it concise linguistic definition makes the thing you think you are...imaginary. A womb is not an imaginary social construct. Its real. People with that are ....woman. Feelings gets you nowhere. Please bring 'patriarchal' rationality back.
Gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is the sex you identify as. Cisgender people experience gender dysphoria when they get PCOS-induced facial hair or gynecomastia.
I think the reason the debate has become polarised is because organisations such as Stonewall and Mermaids have adopted a no debate stance, so no option to reach a middle ground, or discuss how the competing needs of different groups can be in conflict.
Good point. So, when people DO get the chance to say something, what they really think, they blow up from releasing the pent-up pressure. Kaboom!
What do you do when the BBC pits you against an individual who has a declared aim of trans elimination?
We would not expect that of any other group of people.
Mermaids and Stonewall should be classed as terrorist organisations
Wow. Someone asking one of these people the right questions instead of fawning and pandering
Yeah, it must be incredibly hard for one to question obvious man about his creepy public behaviour than, say, Blaire Robert White, Buck Susan Angel or Sarah Higdon who want to be seen as the good, true ones. I wonder if Andrew would have the same measurement of courage to ask them the same sort of hard-hitting questions or would he proceed a bit more gingerly? When the targets are easy, bullseyes are easier to score after all.
To be fair, 'Katy' was a good sport, honest and realistic - not playing victim or mouthing tired clichés.
...yet still addressing him by a female name 🙄
The hardest / best about this conversation is for someone in Katy's position to listen to the questions and think about them. Even if one does not see the fetish gear perspective for one self yet.
@@ullscarf if you think he was honest about AGP you still have a LOT of reading to do…habe at it1
‘Katie’ made the problem regarding boobs in male changing rooms - ‘ Katie’ needs to undress in the male changing room - ‘Katie’s lesbian friend has no right to give away female only spaces !
I just say if they still have their male parts they should feel disphoric and not want to show that to others. They would go into a private part of the space
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
I agree with his earlier approach: just don't go swimming. Small price to pay for "becoming your true self", isn't it?
He can probably haul them out completely safe in the men's changing room to be honest. He's not living in the Middle East.
Excellent interview. Thank you Katie for your consideration of how many women feel on this issue and for your honesty and openmindedness. I sensed a genuine willingness on your part to learn and grow, which seems to be a stumbling block contributing to much of the divisiveness we are experiencing. I also appreciate men like you, Andrew, who care enough about women to address this from a male perspective. Please continue to do so.
Thanks. For some I've moved too far away from TRA party lines and for GCs not far enough away from being Trans! I get called to detransition by both trans and gender critical activists!
If John came into my changing room I’d be alarmed.
Why are you conforming to sexist name tropes?
@@azkadeliaray521 Meaning?
Woah! Hold my socks!!! "I have had men who have refused to share a space with me".
So clearly the alternative is to go into womens spaces because I guess if they refuse at least you have the dominance and upperhand over them? Mother flipping cactus.
I'm 33m in. This has been a great and critical debate so far I have really enjoyed points from both sides. He just the quiet part outloud though, making women uncomfortable is easier for him than making himself or other men uncomfortabke. Mother flipping toast.
Guess what, men don’t like freakish people undressing in their spaces either.
yes
This!
Great comment.
Also, I'm stealing "mother flipping cactus". It made me laugh, alot.
Thanks Andrew. Katy, i didnt really get that you cared about how women and girls feel in changing rooms...it felt a little ' me me me'...the problem is youve never experienced what being a women is....
I've spoken about that elsewhere it's why most of the time I avoid gendered spaces altogether, use disabled where possible (as I am) and support SS spaces in prison, refuges etc
Stay out of women's spaces altogether. You're a man, FFS.
That’s because it is always about them with these individuals honestly that’s why there’s a growing amount of “anti trans” going on. It’s blatantly selfish to disregard someone else’s safety just because you “feel” like a you’re a woman. And the way they carry on tells me it’s not about using the bathroom it’s more about getting their way & probably getting off on it. 🤮
@@KatyJonWent thats good to hear, Katy..thanks.
@@KatyJonWentit's selfish to use the disabled toilet if you are not disabled 🙄
The only reason the bartender or whoever said ‘sir’ and ‘ma’am’ to them is out of sheer politeness and/or fear. I work in that type of environment and I assure you that’s all it was. He knew he was dealing with two trans folks and didn’t want any trouble.
There are many reasons why an adult male would wear women's clothing, none of them are wholesome. It's either *AGP* or self-loathing/self-rejection.
We know that exhibitionism, and other paraphilias,tend to progress & cluster.
Lots of words but little said by this man. Similar presentation to Eddie Izzard a little disingenuous imho.
No men of any kind in female spaces please.He shows no empathy for women at all. No man has any type of V@gin@ OR Cl*toris...how insulting to women.
@@zephyr139 Can I wear blackface? At the end of the day it's just makeup
@@calstonjew Make up isn't designed to mock women. So it's apples to oranges. Your point of view is incredibly backwards. The idea that a piece of garment has to belong to a certain sex or else is ludicrous. What's your opinion in leggings? Are men allowed to wear those? where do we draw the line, exactly?
Nothing inheriently wrong with a man or woman wearing atypical clothing that is stereotypical for the opposite sex. To push those stereotypes on an individual is sexist as there is no stringent way a male or female should dress other than requirements for both of them such as no indecent exposure, no blackface because of it's offensive ties to slavery - similar to how it would be offensive to wear swastikas. To argue that wearing a dress makes a man in any way womanly is regressive for the argument of trying to keep men out of woman spaces so it seems far simpler and reasonable to accept that it is perfectly fine for a man to wear a dress.
@@Bigball_Bill Nothing inherently wrong with blackface either. Men making a mockery of femininity and women's bodies is offensive to women. I find women acting like watered down men to be offensive as well. Women's clothes are designed for women's bodies, not men's. Men look stupid when they wear that stuff, and are indicating by dress and action that they don't deserve a place at the Adult's Table.
Our society has rules and customs. You can fight against them if you wish (isn't freedom great!), but you can't also expect society to applaud you for doing so!
Why do you want men to enter women's spaces? You want to open a loophole that would allow sexual predators access to their prey? Men are stronger than women. Did you not know that, or have you been brainwashed by LGBT propaganda? The cult you are a part of is mutilating and sterilizing children, and making the West look like a complete joke to our enemies in China and Russia.
Every race on Earth has been a slave at some point in time. There is nothing special about what happened to African slaves in America that should grant them preferential treatment in the present. You have no problem with them mocking White people and Asians.
Wonderful that people are finally speaking up against this. The tide is slow but it IS turning
I doubt it. People got hypercritical about the social change of gay people's acceptance in spaces like camp counselors or boyscouts or marriage or adoption. That didn't change the fact that the social change became acceptable and voted for. This is just another social movement which will be accepted one day.
@@SpookeyClown acceptance of both the Gay and Trans agendas has gone way way down,or more likely we were told we were ok with it and for a while we didnt question that fact but then we woke out of our stupor and said "hang on this is not ok" Most people are not happy with gay adoption,openly gay teachers ect and the trans issue after about 10 years max has reached its peak,I think you will find there is a massive push back coming and we are heading into a new puritanical age
@@joygallavan6790agree
@@SpookeyClownI don't know about that. I'm gay and this has really affected LGB people negatively. People think we supported this and they'd be forgiven for thinking that given the LGBT blah, blah and pride flags etc. Perception matters so much so that LGB acceptance in society is going down. If LGB people had any sense they'd be out in their masses supporting women and kids.
@@joce11 So being trans means you're a predator? lol. I thought trans women were mostly confused gay men? You people really can't stick to one subject.
The narcissism is self evident. Good for you, Andrew, asking the questions so we can observe the responses. Questions which are regarded as 'transphobic' merely because they seek accurate answers.
Narcissism + Misogyny = Common characteristics seen in the trans community. Serious question..... If I identify as a millionaire, is my bank required to affirm me and deposit a million dollars in my bank account? #FreeCriticalThinking
Did you watch the interview?
Narcissism!? What on earth are you on about?
@@themurrrr Every trans person is a narcissist to them.
The interviewee didn't seem particularly narcissistic to me.
A man getting a boob job or developing breasts from hormones doesn’t grant him the right to use a woman’s space. If you make those changes to your body it’s your responsibility to accept how that affects you in society. I’m very heavily tattooed, and it’s my responsibility to understand that heavy tattooing will have an effect on the way I move through society. If you feel uncomfortable taking your fake breasts into a male changing room that’s on you and should have been something your considered before having it done. It’s not women’s job to save you from your own decision.
“I feel like a woman” it translates to me more like …. “I refuse to take the responsibilities a man should take and I feel like women are having it easier so I want to be a woman, because mom, because dad, because trauma”.
I don’t support this movement. To me is just another way men abuse women.
Agree..ultimate misogyny, narcissism, and desecration of the Female form…Soulless!
How can he feel like a woman? He's a man. How would he know?
It is absolutely impossible for a man to "feel" like a woman. A woman never feels like a man with beer tits and there are plenty of those who don't "identify" as a woman - look at Bill Gates. Full set of tits. Bloke.
It is abuse. Have you seen Mr Menno's Munro Bergdorf parody? Small thing but good to see a bloke call it what it is.
you put this brilliantly. thank you.
First 5 mins, am having a very strong response to reducing "what is a woman" conversation down to : long hair and nails". Repeated. Christ. Imagine reducing a conversation about black and coloured people to such cliched lines. Women are getting such a lousy deal in all this. God I am angry.
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
You're so right, and yet it's interesting the feminist movement is largely in support of all this nonsense.
@@nightwingvyse The feminist movement largely supports trans people because the gender binary (which puts forth the notion of there only being two immutable genders) is part of what leads to patriarchy. According to Cailin OConnor’s book The Origins of Inequality, when humans can perceive difference, that is what leads to hierarchies. So feminism supports trans people because societal trans acceptance will help muddy the waters between what the perceived cultural differences of men and women are.
@@nightwingvyse The tide is slowly turning
@@nightwingvyseThey're not. Feminists have been virtually the only people opposing this ideology, making legal challenges to it that have protected our rights, started organizations to fight against it, conducted protests at sporting events, prisons, shelters, universities and in general, writing books, articles, doing interviews. They're the ones getting arrested, fined, fired, cancelled, banned, threatened, shamed. They've been doing this activism for over 50 years. They warned society of this growing threat to *all* of our rights decades ago, especially to those of girls and women, but were and are ignored precisely because they're feminists. So enough with "where are all the feminists"?. The question is where have you all been while this toxic, sexist dogma has been quietly encoded into policy and law?
Note: in the 80s it was not called "gender rebellion" (the term Katy used in this interview), it was called "gender bending" and it was an awful lot of fun. Otherwise, my impression of this conversation is of two jocular blokes making light of what are very serious issues for women, children and trans widows.
Absolutely - this is nothing more than two blokes having a chat.
I agree, I lived the 80’s. Gender bending was the thing.
There was rebellion against the older post-war generation and social norms. Nothing to do with changing gender. We all know what is referred to as a bender.
Yes, two males mansplaining and their misogyny is showing.
Gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is the sex you identify as. Cisgender people experience gender dysphoria when they get PCOS-induced facial hair or gynecomastia.
It's not "possible" there's a correlating between AGP and being trans. It's a guaranteed FACT. Many of them even openly admit it.
I thought most trans women were confused gay men? lol. You people keep changing the narrative.
And the trans widows are left to cope as best they can or cannot!
Thanks for this Joy!
I remember my fathers friend transitioned when he was around 50. Devastating his wife and 3 teenage boys. That poor woman, the lies and deceit, the humiliation, shame, etc... then she had to - on top of everything else, be strong for her 3 teenage boys who were equally as devastated and were relentlessly teased at school for their Dad being a 'c*ck in a frock'. (That's what I remember the boys chanting at them, all whilst going through puberty themselves.
They say ' I've always known' . Why did they ever get married and have children then. The selfishness knows no bounds.
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
So in men’s changing rooms, he’s never been attacked. (One of the myths TRAs like to promote))
He also agrees he doesn’t “pass“. I think he doesn’t want to use men’s changing rooms now because he knows he just looks silly.
He looks silly wherever he goes.
Better to look silly in a men's room than to look threatening in a women's room.
Even IF transwomen were being attacked in men's toilets and changing rooms, why must women bear the burden of giving up their safety to protect men from the violence of other men?
@@edricawebb1578 He doesn't look threatening at all.
@@thisismyyoutubeaccount3322Is this your argument for keeping mixed gender toilets? If so, it’s a terrible one. I agree that a lot of attacks on girls by boys happen in schools, but most people want to stop that happening, not excuse it. Also, there are many bathroom attacks that don’t take place in schools. We could solve that by, I dunno, not letting men into women’s and girls’ spaces. Men who pretend to be women or girls can use a third space.
I'm a woman and i no longer use open change areas. I no longer use the showers unless they lock. I check areas more thoroughly now that i know nobody would confront a man walking in there.
I've been cowed. 😢
I no longer go to the local swimming pool as I don’t want to deal with the possibility or now perhaps probability of encountering males. It’s sickening that thanks to ‘kindness’, often of women, women’s rights have been roiled back a century or more.
me too
How old are you? I was part of original feminism. I stand proudly and will stand alone for our feminist rights. During the origins of feminism, a man, who claimed to be a woman, entering toilet/changing rooms, women's sports, a man may try it Once, but after getting a reception never twice. Stand proudly sister!,
@@deahmcneill3240 Feminism isn't feminism if it isn't intersectional or trans-inclusive.
Same. I go to less gigs too because you can't escape creeps by going to the loo anymore- they can just follow you in!!
I agree. We've lost "tolerance." We are expected to accept everything automatically! We can't all know everything or anything, for that matter about everything. Tolerance is not only, "putting up with." Tolerance many times is a gateway to acceptance. Without being "allowed" to tolerate, everything becomes black or white / yes or no. In this world that moves faster than the mind can think, we are destroying any kind of discussion and no one has time to learn about or even listen to someone's point of view. Also, it's not a crime to disagree with someone! Thank you for this wonderful channel!
Just looks and sounds like a chubby long haired bloke
Exactly. He chose to chop off his penis and by taking opposite sex hormones grown some breast tissue he calls himself trans-women. He is some kind of trans but not a woman
Without a willy 😂
Just stop.
This is a serious issue for women right now.
Which he acknowledges
But apparently can't use the men's toilets 🙄
@@flangekiwi it is a serious issue, and he still looks like a chubby longhaired bloke.
I love that both of you are open to having a conversation even though you don't necessarily agree. I really miss the time when a difference of opinion was the the beginning of an interesting conversation instead of an argument or worse.
Bedroom COSPLAY, let's have a real debate.
Problem is Andrew, unfortunately we now live in a world where we can’t say what we really think any more. We’ve all been gagged, metaphorically speaking.
It's less about the ability to speak and more about being heard. Our politicians aren't listening to us and corporate and public institutions are increasingly being policed by extremist activists, not to forget on-line bullying. But you are right, it takes real bravery to speak out in the public sphere in one's own name.
@@BoojayDeethWe aren't able to speak either. I am a woman and around 90% of my comments regarding gender ideology get removed within a minute.
Exactly!!!
Kids did not question their sex when I was young. It’s just happening now because it’s popularized in the media
It’s not true. If you have your body surgically altered so you appear like the opposite sex of your biological sex, you are still your original sex. So it is not legalizing same sex marriage by the back door.
I believe we had, until fairly recently, complete tolerance as a society, of trans people. It was only when full acceptance and celebration were demanded that half of society rebelled and were moved toward intolerance. It was deemed that tolerance wasn’t enough, and so even that was withdrawn.
41:34 “do you or did you get any kind of sexual kick out of presenting as a woman?” Very interesting how long it took to start answering that question & how long winded that answer was. Interesting how yes or no wasn’t the answer. This tells me the answer is yes.
Agreed. Watched it with the other half and he said the same.
Because I was last asked that 18 years ago and it's been a long time since the question had any meaning
I'm guessing you're used to repeating yourself by now - :)@@KatyJonWent
@@KatyJonWent That shouldn't have made any difference to the length of time it took you to answer the question.
40-45+ years ago there was possibly an element of the forbidden about it but not sexual as I was pre any puberty. After that there was some "sensual" kick. I remember 18 years ago in therapy saying "I hope this IS a fetish, as I don't want to be trans". I worked through that, for 20 years, it became about avoiding being trans. These periods overlapped. I saw therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, a social worker, and even Christian ministers, in the end trans felt like a reluctant fate. There's been neither sensual nor sexual kick for 15 odd years.
So I guess my answer is... it wasn't, it was, it isn't any more.
Sorry if that's yes and no.
Part way through and this is hard work. He's utterly self involved and so unaware of the anxiety that women have from the presence of men in places they shouldnt be.
Self involved? Isn't this an interview about trans people?
Concept of other people and their feelings
Agreed. He also talks quickly so that other thoughts can't counter. Either that or he is extremely nervous and rattles on.
@@connor5669 in terms of his interaction with the world, he has very little consideration of how his decisions impact others.
@@jossangeles4011 good point. I suspect living that way would necessitate being impervious to other people, but it sounded more like someone sounding off to their mate in the pub than a conversation.
Strong masculine energy completely dominating the conversation barely allowing Andrew the opportunity to ask any questions and cutting him off when he does. For this reason 10/10 Andrew!
"masculine energy?" That's not a thing.
@@connor5669 As an XX Woman I know there is Masculine Energy. It is Sexy and Stimulating. Beta Males are so boring.
@@connor5669 It so is
Kind of iis through testosterone that starts in the womb. Test causes more forward, dominant behaviour
@@errin-mp1zy sounds like you believe in a sexed soul. I don't.
My old manager at a large retail shop used to let a trans-woman into the woman’s changing room. But only with no-one else in there. It was like he was playing out his fantasy. It was dealt with well but the whole of society cannot adjust to this.
But it does affect other people. Women and girls specifically are being harmed by the erring on the side of kindness. Every time there is a conflict females are meant to yield. No, no no. A thousand times no.
If she's not a predator, why are you accusing her of being one?
Every time? Then how did you ever get anything? How did feminist lobby groups get the definition of rape changed in law? (and why but that's another issue)
Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?
Children dont question "gender" unless put in front of them.
Yes, the vegan cat analogy.
I was a tomboy. A really tomboy type of tomboy. I was often mistaken for a boy. I hit puberty and I grew my hair and went about as feminine as the late 80’s allowed. Can you imagine if I was a tomboy these days? I’d have been transitioned in an instant! My Dad didn’t care I was a tomboy. He just let it happen and knew I’d grow out of it.
I dressed up and put on makeup all the time when I was a little boy and I grew up in a tiny conservative village. When I met my first trans person, I was 19 or 20.
@@fabiantombers4966You were influenced to do that.
@@matthewatwood8641 I’m sure you know this better then I do lol.
It was actually the kids who bullied me for it, it was my dad who was so angry about it his head looked like a tomato when he was screaming and it was also my teachers who made me explain myself in front of a laughing class at 8 years old why I was always lending hairclips from the girls.
Absolutely laughable what you are saying.
Genderqueer expressions of different kinds have been a part of human history since the beginning of records.
The fact that you are willing to ignore this shows how ignorant and ideologically stuck y‘all are.
Gender dysphoria is a legitimate phenomenon that we have documents of going back thousands of years. You literally heard someone speak about it in this interview.
There are reasonable debates to be had on trans issues but the plain and honest existence of people should really not be up for debate.
"I've had men refuse to share a changing room with me" I believe him actually but women are refusing to use a changing room with you. Why do you listen to the man? My dad never entered the women's toilets when he was looking after me and my sister.
Is your dad trans?
Because angry men are far scarier than angry women
@@sgilmour47 Depends what they're holding. Women weaponise.
@@blisterfingers8169not in England. No guns, no knives, no mace.
Protecting biological women and girls from the risk of harm by keeping female only spaces female only spaces far outweighs the possibility of biological men's feelings being hurt by their exclusion from said spaces🌻You have your spaces they're called the men's room, the boy's league, men's league, men's division etc. You're covered.
I've learnt over many years that I should no longer engage with these people. (Becuase whenever I do, they try to get me fired or arrested).
Good luck, Andrew!
Yes, they`re terrible people. The closest to fascists in our society... they won`t listen, they won`t respect, they won`t feel anything for others. And worse is, it`s obvious they won`t campaign for solutions such as separate sports, separate spaces etc...they`ll invade womens` because they`re men who can dominate more there. not so much in male spaces.
He’s not a woman, so this man can’t pick on him.
It seems like “transition” is the wrong word.
It really is “pretending” or “playing dress up.” Some will even pretend to the extreme of using actual surgery to perpetuate the facade.
There never is an actual transition to anything that is grounded in Truth.
Yes, they are pretending to be women. They will never be a woman. They are dressing up and pretending. The are delusional.
Pretending and playing dress up. That's it in a nutshell.
I love that he felt able to come on the show and talk. His lack of understanding of actual womens needs and rights is disturbing. This is a man with long hair 🙄 I saw a friend of mine today who has long hair. He's not delusional to think he is a woman 😂😂😂
Women are different, you cannot speak for all women.
@@sarral2008 I'm not claiming to speak for all women 🤣 a large majority do express the same beliefs, though. You may not wanna hear it, but it's true 🤣
He didn't claimed to be a woman. And he doesn't think he is a woman. He said it clearly.
Did you just heard what you wanted to hear instead what he actually said? That is also somewhat delusional.
He's a man with long hair and women's clothing who has had a fake breast operation. He's not well.
But he still believes it is OK to go into womens changerooms and bathrooms, forcing women to sacrifice their privacy, dignity, and saftey, instead of holding true to his awareness, that "trans-women" are not any type of women. They are a type of men. It's up to men to adapt, not women.
Katy is great. Always a pleasure to listen to a person who is willing to be open, honest and able to consider and hold a good debate. Thank you. I'm sick of the modern, pushy 'trans' crown, force-feeding me their perspectives and covert personality disorders, without ( themselves) having as much as an ability to listen and honour a diversity of opinions.
Removing trans from the psychological condition list was a mistake. They could have reformed of how they treat trans people but now we have popularized which should have stayed as a small group
When they removed?
It's not really changed yet. He is wrong. We are not on ICD 12, as he said. We are on ICD 10. Gender dysphoria is classified like this. In DSM 5, it's classified as a mental disorder. There are DISCUSSIONS over how to classify it. And you are right, it should of course be classified as a mental disorder.
Applicable To
Gender dysphoria, unspecified
Gender incongruence, unspecified
Gender-role disorder NOS
The following code(s) above F64.9 contain annotation back-references
that may be applicable to F64.9:
F01-F99
Mental, Behavioral and Neurodevelopmental disorders
I was pretty neutral on Katy before watching this, but he seems to be extremely disingenuous in this particular interview. Katy, your choices are not women’s water to carry.
She’s answering invasive and creepy questions from a defensive Zionist projecting his bs into some kind of differwnt conservatism now that he can’t go on about Zionism. German Germans acting like Germans in 2024.
I'm a woman and have no problem calling a trans woman a she or a trans man a he. Find real problems.
A man is a MAN and a woman is a WOMAN, always was and ALWAYS will be. The end
Google “intersex” to see it’s not so black and white at birth for some.Sad.😎
The goal here, though, is to have all definitions decided by a central authority. The government decides what a woman is, and what harm is, and what safety is. Not you. And not the people who are being harmed.
It’s interesting that he relates a story where he is not the aggressor in trying to get into women’s spaces - it is now his mates fault. No mate, you are male, your mate probably just felt bad, she probably wanted you in there as little as every other women in there, but felt bad - something these men play on to get their way. Despicable
All he had to do was say no. He just didn't want to.
I think this can be confusing for those of us who remember the 80s and how we played with stereotypical gender dressing. We were taught that superficial characteristics like hair length and clothes had nothing to do with male or female and were fun to play with. So this current trend of superficial characteristics being THE deciding factor (E.g. the video where the trans person says "I have long hair and I'm carrying a purse, of COURSE I'm a woman) is just in direct contrast to our experience and feels insulting. I think that's why most people dont have a problem with "old school trans", because back then it seemed like there was a deep psychological issue that was based on more than hairstyle and outfit.
Wish Andrew had asked, "What do you think of the argument that if law allows trans-identifying males into female-only spaces -- bathrooms, changing rooms -- then any and every male can enter, whatever his history and intentions, which is a great problem for girls and women in general but especially those with traumatic experiences with males?" Andrew might have added this fact: trans-identifying males commit violent crime, abuse and assault at the same or greater rates as non-trans-identifying men.
If society and the law get strict again about requiring ppl to use public facilities according to their birth sex alone whatever their appearance, fewer people will get cosmetic medicalisation & surgeries and more will instead seek effective psychotherapy. Went has made it difficult for himself to use male-only facilities, yet for females' sakes, it really is the only right thing to do.
That's just a theory. It's not based on fact that people wouldn't get any surgeries if people were required to use the bathroom of their biological sex.
He's not even made it difficult for himself, he just looks like a man with long hair. My step son has longer hair than him and has never had an issue with using male facilities.
Oh and the classic of blaming a woman (lesbian don’t forget) for making him enter a woman’s changing room! “Where am I supposed to change?” He cried, like that’s our responsibility…
I don't know if Katy uses "he" or "she" - but let me just say, wow. What an eloquent, engaging, delightful human being.
Thank you - I'm fairly fine with any pronouns, they, she, he in that order, just not "HE", ie shouty ones!
@@KatyJonWentwhy aren’t you ok with people shouting HE at you, when you’re so clearly a man?
It seems to me that artists like Bowie etc. don't adorn make up to be feminine or express 'gender differences'; to me it's more an expression of flamboyance with has nothing to do with sex or gender.
They were just having some fun and being all "Ooooo, aren't I subversive."
Agreed, and bands like Motley Crue did it to get laid.
He asks where are trans people like himself supposed to change, meanwhile earlier in the video he was talking about how women fought for their own bathrooms...there's your answer, fight for third "gender neutral" bathrooms.
I do fight for these and not as replacements for M & F bathrooms but in addition
@@KatyJonWent We're about 3 bad decisions away from nuclear war, but somehow half of the Western World is overly concerned about where to take a sh!t. We've lost the plot.
@keithd2284 well Keith, even in a crisis, people need to sh!t. As you can see we are addressing many things simultaneously. Let's not 'what-about-ism' the conversation from protecting women's spaces, sports, scholarships, opportunities, etc etc. Women have a better chance of fighting to keep their rights than stopping governments from warring.
@@keithd2284 Its about women's (and men's) rights to same sex spaces, etc., not about who shits where.
I think you could call it something else as it's not technically a clitoris
Correct medical term is neoclitoris
Why did you refer to it as a clitoris then?
@@KatyJonWent man-made horrors beyond your comprehension would be a more accurate description. Mutilated penis would also be more accurate.
The clitoris is a sex characteristic of the female sex/genitals, something you are not and do not have.
@@yachwb because it goes against his Autogynephilia fantasy
It's a chopped sausage!😂
He argues for invading the women's spaces because the alternative is to use the men's while having breasts etc. But here's the harsh truth; It's not anyone else's problem but his own, or at least it shouldn't be.
Nobody else forced this predicament on him. He's the one who consciously chose to go down that path and have those things done to himself. He explicitly claims that nobody is tricking people into this lifestyle (which many detransitioners would strongly disagree with by the way), and now he transfers that predicament onto society to either allow him to invade the spaces of the opposite sex, or to provide special privileges accommodations to him in some other way.
He doesn't have breasts. He has stick-on fake boobies. A woman does not consist of optional holes and/or detachable breasts. This is insane.
Good point, very similar to the extreme fat acceptance ideology.
No compromises possible on this issue. There is NO fence to ride.
Correct
The "compromise" appears to be the whole of society upturning social norms, which exist for safety and dignity, to appease a small number of people who are suffering with a psychological issue.
That's the thing. This guy is talking as though there's a happy medium or halfway point. There isn't, as to compromise means risking women and children's safety.
@@wolfhugs2221well, if safety is the driver, we need to roll back the 🌈 stuff. And a lil segregation might be justified. If not apartheid. … hmm, maybe eugenics? Definitely safe.
@@wolfhugs2221 No it doesn't. I'm a woman and have no issue with it.
In my day you would have said this is a heavy metal fan.
Haha hilarious
😂😂😂
I knew many of these dudes back in the day. Back then they were all programmers who went to esperanto conferences.
Sadly, those days are gone.
Yeah, except all the plastic surgery clearly making him an Autogynephile who desn‘t respect women‘s boundaries just because he got some silicone
With fake tits
😂
Nobody is mistaking this man for a woman or his friend for a man. People are trying to guess what he wants to hear, because his cult has gotten so powerful that saying the wrong thing can cost people their livelihood.
Exactly!
Only if you all go along with his delusion. Call him he. Make him face reality.
Gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is the sex you identify as. Cisgender people experience gender dysphoria when they get PCOS-induced facial hair or gynecomastia.
Not finished yet but enjoying hearing this person say his views evolve and change as he learns more. I'm so fed up of (usually Boomers I've noticed) proudly say they haven't changed their position in decades. You shouldn't be proud of never changing your mind!
Really? I'm a Boomer and never heard anyone say that. Blame Boomers for everything now.
Live as you like but my freedom from fear is not negotiable. A stranger is still a stranger , no matter their appearance but I still do not have extend my trust to a much stronger stranger in an enclosed space.