How to save an absolute fortune on marine electronics.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มี.ค. 2022
- In this episode we go into the detail necessary to create a reliable, robust navigational system onboard. You MUST be self reliant to be offshore in our view.
Our setup doesn't appear convenient at first, however the further you sail, it will be for reasons explained in the video.
We replaced the radar dome as the 4g unit failed also. Since writing the VHF has also failed from BandG along with our GPS sensor. So you get the picture here folks......
We write from safety now in Costa Rica and next episode we will explore the dangers and the solutions we had on the navigation to Costa Rica.
For those interested to replicate this setup:
Linksys 5g router,
Navico Halo 20 (resentfully purchased).
Cat 5 crimper and cables to make new rj45 connection.
Opencpn software opencpn.org/
You must install the radar Pi plugin as part of the opencpn plugins section and connect your computer to the new 5g network you created over wifi. Put the radar cable into the router. Also, you will need a fairly decent cpu or GPU in your laptop or desktop to run the radar over wifi. My raspberry pi 4 didn´t cut it.
actisense usb multiplexer actisense.com/products/ngt-1-...
for max detail, go here.
github-wiki-see.page/m/opencp...
If I were to do it all again, I would get this www.vespermarine.com/cortex
Never give up, keep the sails up, keel down and Carry on!
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James and I share the same broker. On the back of advice from both of them, we steered clear of B&G and went with Raymarine for our 51. So glad we did - 20 months in and no trouble at all so far. 🤞
Thanks for the vid James. And the advice. 👍☺️
Hi Steve, good to hear from you. You might still want to add a multiplexer on the back bone and open cpn. It will give you freedom for more charts as you venture further.
I went openplotter, daisy hat + RPi, a cheap Chinese touchscreen and a seayak Seatalk1 - USB to get the instrument data into the Pi - x2. Easily 1/10th of the cost of any big brand marine electronics setup, and since I installed it and set it up, I know exactly how to repair or replace any of it.
A great video. Thanks. Im building a small cat38. I have been thinking of setting up my own nav system. You have just confirmed my decision.
More robust and cheaper. Give it a go.
Fantastic info. Thank you for sharing this.
Glad it was helpful!
These tech vids are the best and really important
Glad to help Patrick.
Great video! Stay safe Carry On crew!! 👍👍👌👌👏👏
Thanks! You too!
Thanks for the informative video. We use Navionics on two tablets and two phones, backing-up and synching with each other, presently cruising the Bahamas. Hope to see you out there.
Rauf I def wouldn't rely only on navionics.
@@carryonsailing You are right, using Aqua Maps too, cruising in an electric drive Bristol 35.5.
Fantastic - honest and practical - thnx young man - enjoy - plse give us more - the whale footage is also great!
Thanks, will do! hope all is tranquilo your side Johan.
Nice video. I use OpenMarine (openplotter) running on a Raspberry Pi4 as a server. Very low power consumtion. Opencpn is a part of this boat server. I also use Pypilot (autopilot) with integration to Opencpn. Chart with usb-dongle from O-Charts, can use same chart on my backup Raspberry Pi4. Using my tablet/phone on helm with VNC screen. Great solution, safe, not expencive and not properitary. HURRAY for OpenSource. They have got my donations.
Absolutely. No more profiteering off my back! Also, great idea on USB dongle. For the radar though you'll need to enable opengl
Thanks for this summary. What about hardware for sensors? Did you just hook up standard big brand nmea devices, or use some open source hardware sensors as well? Cheers!
Another system for raspberry called Bareboat Necessities OS. Also free and open source.
th-cam.com/video/3zMjUs2X3qU/w-d-xo.html
It has more software and more preconfigured than Openplotter.
Wow the boat looks like Starship Enterprise apartment with a sofa style chair. The wiring is mental. Modern high end cat sailing I guess.
The whale was epic! Good advice. Be happy, be safe
Thanks Larry, take care also.
Really excellent chanel. I just bought a boat that's much to big for me. Lol.
Such a help, thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching! you'll get used to the size...and workload...
Right. Just pull a few of them strings right? Cheers mate.
The disturbing thing; the strings are the ones that break the least....Good luck
I use no Laptop or commercial chart plotter.
Raspberry is nav computer, WiFi access point, and mi iPad and iPhone are screens using the pi,s WiFi and realVNC. Charts are from the chart locker.
Several companies make multiplexers. I have a Halo 20+ too.
Its neither TIG or MIG, both those process use a inert gas to protect the weld from oxygen, you will need or see a cylinder bottle whenever that is being performed, that is SMAW (Shielded Metal Arc Welding) or stick as its commonly referred to where the rod is covered in a flux coating that protects the weld. Really interesting channel and definitely will second doubt any B&G purchases. Keep up the videos.
Many thanks. We're always learning!
So super cool!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Thanks. Hope you folks are good
Great video but I can’t stop looking at that comfy nav chair
I love it, cheap buy in Mexico!
Great information mate, much appreciated. The whales were also epic. OYZ
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the support
Great video. I am in the market to upgrade my old Raytheon SL72 radar and was looking at Halo20+.Oh that welding is just old fashioned stick arc welding not TIG welding.
Wow amazing shots fo the whale! What a magical experience! Bit of a shame the B&G chartplotters gave up the ghost, I thought they were quite good.
I'd say they are pretty good as long as you don't want to use them on a boat. But I'd debate if I would take one even if it were given to me for free.
Great pictures of the whale. On another video you gave the Distant Shores couple a tour of your trimeran which raised my curiosity about how would your trimeran preform with hydrofoils such as spindrift2 use. Thanks in advance for your reply. Regards Philip
It's definitely it that level of performance or light enough to make use of those. Apocalypse would be more in that realm
VSWR is an acronym for Standing Wave Ratio or the amount of power the antenna is reflecting back to the radio.
Thank you, always learning!
Your boat is elegant... That whale is graceful...
Thank you
2 chartplotters is likely an electrical or heat issue. my zeus2 and evo2 have been bulletproof in 10 yrs. check your ventilation and voltage surges (check your bmv712 graphs).
Will do thanks.
Epic footage with the whale! Keep it safe bro!🙌⛵🏝
Thanks Bartor. Hope you're well. Where are you and what you up to?
@@carryonsailing I am on Isla Mujeres Mexico. Probably gonna sail foward to the direction of Rio Dulce, but need some maintenance on the boat before. Need a new solar arch and my engine has to be fixed. Also the electric system need a bit of upgrading.
my advice to you is to get absolutely everything complete before you sail to the Rio Dulce. It is hell trying to get parts there. Also, you are aware that we had piracy problems in the Honduras region, so you will be wanting to prepare for that also.
@@carryonsailing Thanks for advice! Trying the best!👌😉 Keep travel safe bro!
OpenCPN is excellent software, I have it on my tablet, phone and laptop.
I also have a Raspberry Pi running OpenPlotter positioned back behind my main breaker panel, and patched in to the NMEA0183 data and AIS data 'lines'.
It then multiplexes broadcasts NMEA and AIS out over WiFi on 2 ports.
So that way, I have my OpenCPN devices, even without built-in GPS, able to see the AIS, position, depth, wind, etc. info.
Exactly Terry. The team at opencpn are my hero's. Total legends.
Hey I have a question if you wouldnt mind. I have 2 dobermans and want to take them with on an adventure but I have a question. Where does your dog use the bathroom? I am sorry for asking such a messy question but I really could use some first hand knowledge. On passage there wont be a convenient island for us to stop at for a potty break for them.
on the trampoline Buck.
Swr is more for transmitting than receiving an rf signal. Bad coax will give crap reception as well as poor transmission efficiency . Swr is used to tune your coax and antenna for best performance for the band you will be using.
When the VSWR is high, it indicates poor impedance matching between the transmission line and the load, a mismatch on transmit will also be a mismatch on receive. if a 3:1 match is made, it is a 3:1 match both on receive and transmit.
I wish you guys made more content.
Thanks again, us also. Its hard to get all the miles in and focus on all the things. We try to mix enjoying our lives and helping others at the same time.
Like the arm chair
It's a cracker!
How long will those connections last in rough weather?
Amazing whale calf?!! Where was mama? Or could be full grown one? Cool episode!. Nice job on the savings!!
Hope the wandering is still going good. Kind regards from us all.
@@carryonsailing always! Stay safe COS team!
Slightly off topic but here is my question: I am considering putting down a deposit on a 47. You have put a lot of miles on your boat. Are you getting any gel-coat spider cracks that might indicate hull stress? Any delamination of the tabbing? I think this would provide a pretty good indicator of the hull build quality. Thanks again for all the detailed info.
None that I can see. Best wishes with your purchase
I appreciate all the Info in this video, thanks. When you say 5G router do you mean the wifi frequency 2.4/5g or the simcard frequency?
And also, is this halo radar a so-called "wifi" radar?
Tia
The 5g router transmits 2.4/5g. There are no sim cards involved in this project in any way. The halo radar from Navico/BnG does not have wifi (I have never heard of this before), we are using the 5g router to connect with the RJ45 (LAN) of the Radar see the description for further info
Hi what are your thoughts on Ocean volt servoprop sail drive or the Torqeedo sail drive as a secondary back up propulsion.?
Don't have personal experience with one. My concern would be range and fouling of the prop. Generally the sea and electric stuff doesn't mix well. It's a big risk buying one and I try to remove risk on the subject of boats.
Thank you!
Is there any box for a/d and anotherend d/a konverter?.. Basically you will run 1 utp and 1 power kabel in mast.. Thats it.. It should eksist.
It handles 12v or 24 v dc
Love the wale. Sucks that your chartplotter broke. I would try to get a back up radio. always have charts. Hope you are doing good. p.s like you chair
All good thanks J. Hope you and your daughter are well also. Chair is a cheap but very functional one from Mexico. Makes most people chuckle when they see it.
@@carryonsailing we are doing really good. I seen something about you might want to sell your boat?
@@Jeremy-km4dj Yes J. Once we return back to EU. More info on the future coming soon
I wonder if anyone can offer me some advice? I am completing a 40ft catamaran (sadly the original builder died five years ago) so there is no navigational equipment fitted yet (there isn't a helm yet, but that's another story). I'm completing the boat as a solar powered catamaran (there is no mast) and it will feature four EPropulsion Navy 6 out board engines, two per hull. I may also fit two 30HP petrol engines to the transom behind the dinghy davits that could be lowered if needed as the builder fitted 250L petrol tanks per hull. There are no through hulls on the hulls at the moment and I'd like to keep it that way if possible. I've watched some of the Open CPN videos and it seems like the way to go. The EpPropulsion outboards will give some data such as speed, power usage etc. Am I right in thinking I could use sensors such depth, wind etc, maybe safety things like fuel vapour sensors, bilge alarms and link these up to a control unit (multiplexer) that then sends all the dat via USB or wirelessly to Open CPN? I think I'll probably invest in Starlink for internet access, so would that be able to give me better weather data and could that be overlaid in Open CPN?
If anyone knows of any videos that show a new install or similar that would also be great.
Happy sailing.
Hi there, my advice is to stay away from Nmea stuff completely and go for NKE then use an actisense muktiplexer to covert top line data to nmea for opencpn to use. Bit long winded but more robust. Using an nmea backbone with likely just cause you problems. Especially the bugger the network gets.
@@carryonsailingSorry, just seen this response. Many thanks for the reply. I'll look into it.
All the problem, saving money, but you end with the whale. A real eye opener about the cost and choices of sailing.
Is there a way to connect to your NMEA 2000 network wirelessly? Reason I ask is because you are still 'technically' connected to the ship's power which can be somewhat precarious in the midst of a lightning storm.
Yes Todd. You can use a WiFi multiplexer check out actisense website
@@carryonsailing Great! Thanks!
Do you also have paper charts and a sextant on board? Maybe I'm a little too paranoid, but couldn't something catastrophic like a lightning strike take out all of the electronics? I haven't done any long passages yet. Just wondering what level of redundancy most people are comfortable with.
Yes, you do, but you can use the dsc on radios and have many GPS back up. Instruments. Even a watch! GPS is a lot more accurate which is necessary for costal sailing (coming into port again). Not so important the error when off shore.
Do you not have a Wi-Fi or Bluetooth communication system? How much was your yacht? If you don’t mind me asking? Thanks for sharing your honest thoughts on available technology, this will save me $ 😊
I use a WiFi 6 router in this video.
I thought radars are tuned to the length of the cable they come with and making changes can affect the performance?
In the manual it suggests not to shorten the cable. However you can buy it with varying lengths also. It's working well thankfully. Actually getting more than 20nm range
Does the B&G autopilot integrate with the new set up?
Yes Bret. Although I haven't done it yet. It seems possible to replace it. I'll add more info once tested.
PS, get a label maker my friend, I'd get tied up into one big knot with all those connections.
Would love one, but cannot just run down to your local hardware store here!
@@carryonsailing I'd send one but then I'm not sure where you'd be. Maybe send me a flag when you know you both are going to be in one spot for a bit of a stay.
too kind mate. We have ants in the pants, always on the move!
Would this work at sea, or would expensive satellite internet be required?
These videos are shot while offshore, starlink not required
Eva the baby killer...lol. It's okay lovely lady, the swallow built her nest on your vessel for a reason, nice people, relatively safe unless they have to change systems which hopefully doesn't happen too often. AND that Eva lady tried her best not to drop that egg because she loves life so much and she will protect future babies by telling off officials who think that they have just another 'rich' sailing crew...lol. Please record her next time she does that. That would be a saver of a video along with others of yours that I've got bookmarked. Great video.
She's a straight up femme fatale Paul.
@@carryonsailing That she is and much much more. I'd be ducking and flinching it I ever met the two of you...that is, I would always try to be on her good side...or at least on the side of her less dominant arm so that I might move fast enough only to get clipped on my bald head and not a full straight arm across my whole face that might make me look like some weird cartoon character from Dick Tracy comics...I think there was one called Prune Face with all facial features pinched together...yeah that would be me after I was unlucky enough to get her swinging at me.
Isn't your boat new? Is it a problem with B&G?
BandG problems Patrick.
James, I see you're getting radar, wind and navigation. How will you work the autopilot without the B&G (can you do that through the PC as well)? I know many (like myself) also have Navionics loaded on their phone/tablet and have a Ram mount at the helm. That is another option I believe. Lastly, have you seen the new Apple Mac Studio ? I'm thinking get one fo those, remove the B&G plotter, put a monitor there and run everything to all locations from the PC. Put touchscreen monitors at the helm and saloon workstation. Not sure, did you mention why you replaced the radar?. Thanks again sir, I will be returning from the Middle East this year and going to the Annapolis Boat Show to look at the Neel 47. If you're in town, lets hook up.
Douglas, the autopilot is working ok when the gps works, otherwise not. I have a back up on the note pad with opencpn and navionics. The only thing I would say about a full blown pc, keep it low power consumption and also a APU or battery is a good idea if you have a power failure or switch. Thus an old laptop does the job. I have noticed on Eva's macbook pro that the M1 chip cannot run the radar plugin necessary to run the radar on my set up. I have a fanless MeLe computer that will do the job for you. I have tested it and it works great with the radar. Here you go www.mele.cn/PCHD28/
Also you do not need touchscreens at the helm Use a robust phone or notepad and VPN over wifi. I use an ulefone armor 9e
Opencpn can run autopilot, I have not tried yet. plugin is called pi_pilot.
@@carryonsailing , Eva may be able to run that radar plugin if she uses Crossover or Parallels Desktop virtual machine with the Windows 10/11 ARM64 preview. (I'm running this on my M1 Macbook Pro). The new Mac Studio is a very low power system (based on the M!). Thanks again sir !
Ok thanks for the pointer. It would be great to have working radar plugin on an M1 Mac, I agree. I would add a mac mini to a new boat set up. But again. Power surges and switching on off the inverter, might be better to have a laptop as the core system.
@@carryonsailing , James, this company will modify a Mac Mini (and I also talked to them about the new Mac Studio) to run DIRECTLY from your DC source. This will negate the inverter and need for UPS. Let me know if I can help in any way.
Doug, thanks. Can I grab a link off you. Sounds interesting
Why is there a knot in the halyard connected to her bosun's chair?
It's called a procrastaknot, they occur when you cover large amounts of miles and have more important things to attend to first.....
@@carryonsailing Just be careful as you are using it to send someone aloft. Also, some say not to use the shackle, but rather a bowline to secure to the harness. And a safety, of course.
Thanks John, Yes Eva prefers the shackle over a bowline. She is conveniently also an expert climber.
This is stick welding at 24:30. This is stick welding not tig or mig,
cool whale encounter. have to check whaletube to see if they released of video of your cool boat.
Too much advertising on Whaletube....
I have never seen a blue whale that size. Always a grown up with a calf. I wish there were more to see.
We think it's a Bryde's whale, from the pink belly and size. From the research, it was likely a Male also.
I use my phone, iPad and Garmin Inreach. 🤷🏼♂️ no need for a massive chart plotter.
You are right. I will go into this topic even more and show you can do it even cheaper than your set up.
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Do you have an electrical issue that might be breaking your electronics? Dirty DC or fluxuating AD could make a mess of your equipment.
Thanks mate. Almost every one I have spoken to has the same issue with the same devices unfortunately. Even my friends with the same boat...
That was just stick welding... Mig welding has a wire fed gun, and a Tig would have a smaller electrode and you would hand feed the wire rod into the weld.
Thanks David.
That is ancient stick welding. Not MIG and NOT TIG welding. It might be good it might not. Just as MIG/TIG can be good or bad as well. Depends on the material, the rod, and skill of the welder.
Thanks, we are always learning. One skill we would love to learn more about.
More gadgets equal more problems, I did all my sailing with gps, charts, and a Plath sextant. A boat next to me in Costa Rica lost most all the electronics by a lightning bolt.
Interestingly, my new setup is more resistant to lightening strikes, the router means there are no direct cable to displays and the Radar is the most likely thing to get cooked.
@@carryonsailing sounds good, but don’t forget the power supply might get zapped cause the lightning introduces high voltage spikes in the ground system which has a common ground to all systems..hand held gps is protected and the sextant, well you know. Buena suerte
Yes thanks Don, Very intelligent point. I have a totally separate mobile battery pack and solar array to keep me going. The Raspberry PI4 is also extremely low power consumption. That is set up and currently disconnected sitting in a drawer. Ill go into this soon.
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@@carryonsailing looks like you covered things pretty much. During my stay of three months in Costa Rica another strike hit some local fishermen in a wooden dugout and killed them. Another strike hit a palapa build home on a hilltop which had a lightning pole on the roof top that was grounded to the rebar of the concrete floor, fire burned down the home and cracked the flooring. Over 120 inches of rain that season and lightning kept the night lighted almost the entire nights. Beautiful country, don’t miss it.
Heard from several captains that there are so many problems with B&G…. Too bad.. and that poor whale probably lost its mom..
It's a bryde's whale. Likely a male and full mature!
@@carryonsailing feeling now so much better! LOL. See you around in Costa Rica 🇨🇷
Delivery skipper , Stick with Ray marine , B&G just trouble from AP to GPS to wind Direction , Bit like Volvo to Yanmar .
Seems that way bill. Thanks. Hope you're getting miles in now after pandemic
@@carryonsailing In NZ , Still under communist rule here , Effen crazy
Navionics costs 40€/year
So Neel did a crap job installing your electronics?
No, they were installed fine, its the plotters themselves. BandG.
Just installed OpenCPN recently, and downloaded a bunch of charts, but it seems to be crashing as I zoom in and out, maybe some bad charts.
I honestly believe you have a fault in your wiring somewhere that is killing your B&G equipment. Lots of people have this stuff and I've heard good things, and for so many devices to fail so quickly, is a statistical anomaly. So what do they have in common? Would be good if you could somehow monitor your electrical system-- DC voltage, but also check to see if you are getting AC leakage, maybe when running a particular configuration (Eg Generator, or on shore power) there could be leakage or induced high voltage current. Induction is no joke and high voltage at even tiny currents can be bad (and then if that's what's happening the B&G power supplies aren't protected against it.). MEanwhile the laptop which uses an AC Power supply is not affected... that's just a hypothesis.
Appreciate your videos, especially the technical details.
PS-- I also suggest you avoid using WIFI for anything other than letting your phones connect to the internet. Etherenet wherever you can is best. Not always possible, I know.
The crashing could be a plugin or check your opengl settings. If you downloaded a cm93 that can be unstable too
you are right, the 5g is working great for the radar though so lucky turnout.
@@carryonsailing Have tried disabling some charts and seems to have fixed it. Thanks! (Only plugins are the ones that came pre-installed.)
Roger, it a bit more stress to get it all stable, but once you do, it is leagues ahead of anything else. I know it isn't that pretty. But neither are most reliable bits of kit!
I’m a Fire Alarm Technician working for the biggest in the industry. Don’t trust WEGO they fail all the time. I’ve had to redo many many splices that these were used on. Trust me there’s much better ways to splice wiring.
You talking about the wago connectors Jeff, thanks for the info
I think 9/10 it's the voltage coming in to that deck causing problems and doesn't have anything to do with B&G. Their 4G domes are a different story. People always putting in fuses and don't consider undervoltage scenarios as much. Also you're not required to buy the biggest display your bank account can support. They get a lot of guys like that, similar to big trucks or not being satisfied with the standard 7" one well I want the 12" one. You can still get the job done with the 7" one I promise and you can buy like 6 of them for the price of one 12" if you're having power issues. OPENCPN can be pretty buggy and if you fish yeah those charts suck. What actually makes a difference is the 3D sonar and forward scans for going into under plotted areas and signal K sucks. As you mentioned you don't really need a chartplotter to sail anyways so you can plot a course without Navionics as well. QTVLM is a lot better I think because it's more stable for useful purposes like weather routing but maybe if you read this far then you already know about it 😅
I just use two iPads, no issues ever.
Depth, current, course over ground, heading, wind, radar and AIS information are all useful as you move further away from the beaten track. Ipads alone wont cut it without a multiplexer of some sort.
@@carryonsailing well to clarify, i have depth wind and ais as well. I just meant for the nav part.
Ah ok. makes sense now. Happy sailing.
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That whale is starving and lonely !lost its pod ?
It is a a Bryde's whale probably a male. This is mature and having a fun with us!
Your Navigation equipment is sitting in full sunlight ...like a pc they have environmental limits... still not very good for something that should be up to extremes and is safety critical.
I appreciate keeping cool is important you are right. However the unit inside isn't in direct sunlight...ever. I have shade over the helm too...
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Then it may be that something is effecting the voltage supply or frequency control... Its more likely to be something causing peaks or spikes ... tricky without being able to monitor the feed over an extended period.🤔
Your lap top and I pads etc will all be buffered by their chargers and batteries.
Or it really is bad stuff...🤷🏻♂️ produced by a supplier under licence. Thats the problem with integrated high tech be it cars or boats ... Its virtually unfixable outside of the suppliers workshops. Its a trend that really needs to be stopped.. at the design stage.
Thanks for taking the time to write. The plotters are from two different suppliers, on in France the other in Spain. The voltage I have monitored on the network. Furthermore, having talked with other Neel 51 owners of the same age, they had very similar issues.
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Were they all equiped with the same displays?
Generator ?
Some other component governing the frequencies?
Has anyone tried wiring a display with a seperate feed and earth.. from the rest of the loom and test it with the different systems connected.
As it seems to be a problem with the type of vessel as much as the display .. elimination of variables, testing process.
Its a pain and expensive but hopefully if your not alone its not a unique cause. 🤞🏼 Keep trying ideas.. just wish i could be a bit more helpful. 🤷🏻♂️
B&G Zeus is a piece of crap. I have 3 of them died on 2 different boats. The last one was on Neel 51. The cost to replace was 2.7k euros.
Agreed. Hope you are well BTW
why on earth do you need all that shit? Best way to save money: reduce the amount of gadgets.
Best way to save money; don't buy a boat!
@@carryonsailing No, then you miss out on all the fun of traveling on your own keel. But with a good chartplotter with handheld backup, a log, a depth sounder, a VHF and compass you've everything you need.
A sun stone and a parrot on your shoulder is all you need.
Sorry way over my head
This is incoherent. Maybe take 10 minutes to think about what you want to say before you turn the camera on.
adding a lot of value Craig, thank you for existing.