My wife 100% chose it because of the looks (inside and out). I showed her all the alternatives, all the cons with the Mach E; I made sure she fully understood the choice she was making and she didn’t really care for any of it. She’s completely happy with it and the lackluster charging has had 0 effect on our use of the vehicle. Most of our charging has been at home and that’s fine. Sometimes emotion wins over logic.
It's really looks awesome I was it at the NYC AUTO show a few months ago. The green looked like it had metallic bronze in it matching the the bronze grill and rims.
My wife and I went and test drove a Mach E Premium, Blazer EV RS, and Equinox EV LT as potential replacements for her Bolt EUV because there are a lot of incentives and 0% financing right now on those three. My wife liked the Mach E the best overall and when I asked her why, she gave me the following reasons: 1. Cupholders are where she likes them. 2. The heat hits her feet well. 3. The sunglasses holder in the roof liner. 4. The panoramic roof makes her feel "like she's a plant in a greenhouse." 5. The turn signals are soft and quiet. You guys are right to think that people are making non-car nerd decisions when it comes to buying these. But my wife isn't entirely wrong though, either: the fit & finish and build quality of this vehicle is fantastic.
I bought a Mach E I got this over Tesla and other manufacturers because of the 0% interest and heavy incentives. Styling and build quality was a big part of my decision too. The paint, the ride feel comfort seats everything, Ford nailed it ✅
I will tell you the reason why this is such a good seller. It is because anyone who has driven any car can get in this and drive it. Very small learning curve. It has blinkers where they should be. It’s has light controls where they should be. You can open the glove box without going into the screen. Mirror controls are where they are on every car. etc.
@@dmegahan I wouldn't consider any electric call particularly well selling besides the model y and model 3. Let's be honest, starting with the bolt, all those cars sold pretty poorly. Tesla Model Y 394,497 Tesla Model 3 220,910 Chevrolet Bolt EV/EUV 62,045 Ford Mustang Mach-E 40,771 Volkswagen ID.4 37,789 Hyundai Ioniq 5 33,918 Rivian R1S 24,783 Ford F-150 Lightning 24,165 Tesla Model X 23,015 BMW i4 22,583
It's a terrible seller. Model Y was the best selling car last year, not EV but overall car. Because people only adjust their mirrors once, auto lights, and other innovations are better than this horse and buggy boomer technology.
Kyle, i just moved back from the US from the UAE, been overseas for 27 years, and because of your channel i bought an EV6. I live in vegas and commute to Carlsbad monday night and back Thursday afternoon. I charge at home before leaving, drive about 200 miles, charge in Hesperia CA at the Walmart, then charge at work then at Baker on the way home. This last trip i had to charge for 8 mins going and 8 mins coming. Your video on the ev6 and the charging time is what sold me. I love your videos, keep it up...next stop is lucid air pure
My wife bought a 23.5 Mach-e. She loved it at first sight. It didn't matter that it was an EV. If it was ICE she would have bought it. We love the "connection" to the legacy Mustang "vibe". We also like that Ford has dedicated folks that monitor the social media groups and interacts with the owners. The way she uses her car, charging speed doesn't matter. The Level 2 charger at home gets it done. Ive been a Ford owner since 1972. What I really want is a modern day version of the Thunderbird Super Coupe from the 90's that's an EV.
I think most people are fine with L2 charging, but for the occasional road trip here or there it sucks having to wait 35-40 minutes to charge from 15% to 80%
I'm sure Ford will scratch that Thunderbird itch in EV form....eventually. Two door coupe/convertibles aren't exactly the sweet spot for EVs currently.
I drove a Mach E GT for 14 months. My first 7 months of ownership was with my Mach E in service twice totally 2 months. NO LOANER, NO RENTAL, NO UBER CREDITS. I was forced to pay for my own rental and make payments on my Mach E. Makes it impossible for me to recommend Ford to anyone. Been driving a R1T for the last year and half and always get a loaner/rental no questions asked.
My f150 lightning has been in the shop since may 6th. I was able to get a loaner from the dealer eventually. i was forced to book a rental at 1st.. then was told to go through ford customer service.....i just want my truck back that i am paying for :( In a gas f150 right now.
“Always get a loaner/rental no questions asked” I can’t imagine a new car needing to be serviced often enough in the first year and a half that for rental/loaner allowance to be a consideration. Then again I drive Hondas and Toyotas.
@@benbryceholden1at the same time? Don’t worry, they can break down too just less often that’s is unless the wheels fall off. Ford does have a habit of having a lot of recalls.
My Mach E is my first Ford that isn't an old F150. I traded up from a Volt. It's a beautiful car that is a joy to drive, gets good support from Ford and since I only charge at home and don't take it on long trips, does absolutely everything I need it to do. Probably my favorite thing about it is that in a world full of generic same looking grey, maroon or black Teslas, my Grabber Blue GT PE stands out. It gets more attention than any vehicle I've ever owned. And did I mention is a blast to drive?
I chose Mach E, since it the most comfortable car I have ever driven at all speeds. Plus, it is a beautiful looking car - nice curves. It has tons of power and maneuvers really well. I recently took my performance from North Carolina to Manitoba with no issues. It was useful have the NACS adapter. With membership, the Tesla network is cheaper than some of the other networks. Plus, it was the main network available through North Dakota. The charge speed of the Mach E is much better than many other EVs - certainly compared to my Bolt and previous Leaf it is like night and day! I usually take half hour anyway when I stop - lol:). We have not seen the long term effect of higher rates of charging yet. It is conceivable that charging at 250 kw as opposed to 150 kw may lead to faster battery degradation for what I perceive as an insignificant gain of time - time will tell. If I ever upgrade it would be another performance mach e - Ford nailed it!
Thanks for all the casts. Own a 2021 First Edition Grabber Blue. Love it. . It usually charges 120-140 kwh rate on the road trips, 35 to 40 minutes from 10% to 80% but not a problem for me, 95 % of my miles is home charged. Love the looks, love the interior, love how quiet the car is, and love the savings on charging, 3-4 times cheaper to run on the road than gas. Love to wave when I pass the gas station. Love that no pollution for my grandkids. Can not wait 10 years till we will all be driving EVs with solid state batteries! Thanks, for your podcasts
6 months of Ford Mustang Mach E ownership, and I’m thrilled with my ride - which is saying a lot considering I commute 140 miles per day. It’s a fun and quiet ride. I still get comments from strangers of how cool it looks in shadow -black. Good job Ford!
Kyle, the dimple showed up on the 23 (possibly 23.5) model year. Reason I bought it was because of the style, comfort, name (easiest way to talk my old school hubby into switching to EV) and still way better charging curves than my first 2 EVs (a 2014 smart ED and a 2014 i3 Rex). I am fine with the charging speeds on my 2021 California route 1 (RWD extended range). At hubby’s age it still takes longer for rest stops than it does for charging.
I do like a start button, how about push button radio channel select buttons and a hidden cd changer, love my 2012 Kona blue metallic v6 with pony package!
Editing guys. I'd have watched this but 1 hour and 17 minutes is nuts. You open up the video, catch this montage and are like, "wow, they're setting me up for a marathon on a 3 year old car's minor refresh" and then look at the time and I'm like, "nope!" Good luck.
Kyle and company: we Bought a 2021 Premium AWD Extended range. Love it. Have had zero problems-not one. New to Ford. Very happy. What we like: looks (we like a whole lot), plug n charge, OTAs, quality build, software is acceptable (Blue Cruise is great) and number of cameras good, fun enough to drive in normal situations, comfortable for driver and passenger (driver seat adjusts to accommodate both husband and I with 8” height difference - Tesla did not & fully power-adjustable passenger seat raises and lowers to accommodate shorter/taller passengers- this is a big deal as I am really short) and suitable rear seat usability (rarely use rear seat but it’s comfortable enough for another couple in backseat), hands free lift gate, fast enough to be fun, range is good (250+ in good conditions). It’s NOT a Tesla. That can’t be underestimated. We wanted electric. We did not want Tesla. No Tesla for a variety of reasons including build quality. Ford knows how to build a car. Ford community of enthusiasts and company support also really nice. For a daily driver for my Gen X 50-something husband, the car is fantastic. Still turns heads which Teslas do not. Charges great at home. Bought an Emporia home charger and can program slower charging/charge off solar only. Rarely use DCFC as there isn’t infrastructure where we live anyway. Can road trip regionally which is all we need to do. If we had been willing/able to wait to buy, would have considered others but I have driven many of the newer competitors and still don’t like any of them as much as we like Mach E. As for the geeky stuff, not that important. I’d like more than my husband does even though he’s the engineer. 🤷🏼♀️ But overall the features offered and the styling meet our needs very well. And I like Jim Farley WAY better than Elon Musk. And that was before Twitter/X fiasco.
The 10%-80% charge test is more real world use accurate and relevant. Love the look and the green, it has good range, dual screens, a real steering wheel, etc. I'd take this over a Model Y any day.
The front trunk button is working on my 2021 Mach-E. I have been beta testing version 5.0 for a while, and the phone as a key feature has been rock solid since day one.
I bought a 2022 Mach-E GT back in Q4 2022. I love it but I do have some complaints and it's nice to see some of them addressed on this update. In mine, the suspension is pretty stiff so potholes or speed bumps will send rear-seated passengers airborne. The heater in the winter will eat around 25-30% of my range (around 2.3mi/kwh on the freeway 70mph, down around 1.8mi/kwh if I'm stuck in traffic in the city). During the summer, we'll get around 2.6 and 3.8 respectively. The charging speed is too slow as well, sustaining around 90-100kwh when at a fast charger - it makes me envious of the EV6 GTs that pull up to chargers next to me.
@@devinself2104 If I'm plugged in at home I will probably 50% of the time. If I'm road tripping, definitely in the winter but I don't really bother in the summer.
I am considering buying my first EV, and I’m leaning toward choosing a Mach E (likely used) over a comparable Model Y, Ioniq 5, id4, Polestar 2, etc. Here’s why: 1. Styling. I think it looks better than the others, sans the P2, and looks good from every angle, unlike the Tesla, Hyundai, & VW. I actually love the aesthetic of the mustang badges too, sorrynotsorry. 2. Sporty handling. I know Kyle disagrees, but multiple other review channels (Throttle House, Rory with AutoTrader, Edmunds, etc) have raved about the cornering (for being a crossover), and most seem to think it handles/corners better than the Ioniq5 and as good or better than the Y. 3. Interior. I like it better than the Y. I test drove the Tesla 3 & Y, and I’d be fine with those interiors, but they don’t resonate with me like the Mach E does. Tricks my brain into thinking I’m in a futuristic muscle car. Gauge cluster screen is nice too. 4. Competitive range. It seems like every range test on the Mach-E results in “EPA says 280 and we got 275,” meanwhile on Tesla’s it’s, “EPA says 310 and we got 275.” And blows the equally attractive P2 real world range out of the water (unless one could afford a 2024 P2, and opted for RWD) So yeah, I’m planning to sacrifice the charge speeds, software & interface, thermal management, efficiency, & >5 seconds of power that a Tesla could get me, mostly for the *vibes* of the Mustang Mach-E. I figured, who cares about the extra 30 minutes or an hour on long trips if I love the car more the other ~355 days a year. And I figured I *might* track the car once or twice. Maybe. And outside of that scenario, I don’t foresee holding the pedal to the floor long enough to hit that power cut; not very often at least.
@@curtisCclarke Found on road dead, the acronyms are endless. That being said I've owned a a few fords that were bullet proof (they were trucks though).
@@mrh3085 if all we all applied that to car purchases, 90+% of us would drive little hatchback hybrids that got 50 mpg. That we don’t, for the majority of us, is bc of stylistic preferences.
@@ryanevans2655 the fact you were willing to pay more for an inferior product shows your blind allegiance to Ford. My Tesla is far from perfect, but it is the best EV on the road for the price.
I love how Kyle has all the nerd details in his head and provides them to us viewers. Things like the LFP battery cars having a 7 kW PTC battery heater and the NMC cars having a 5 kW heater. Some of this is more detailed and informative than even Munro Live's teardown videos or Caresoft's presentations on AutoLine.
Kyle is always about ripping it in the canyons, but many of us don’t drive like his group of employees do. I want really comfortable and supportive seats, precise and heavy steering that doesn’t wander about, a comfortable and easy to modulate accelerator pedal and a brake pedal that is not over sensitive. I love one pedal driving, but not everybody does, so it has to be adjustable. For its great features I love my 2018 Red/Black Model 3 with its rich looking polished chrome or polished stainless trim.
I made the mistake of trying a Mercedes EQS SUV and never wanted to leave the seats. Car is a bit floaty to drive but I would buy those seats just to sit them in at home!
@mitchellbarnow1709 These kids are quite a but younger than most of us customers buying these cars. This is by no mean a know to the channel, just important to understand their perspective compared to say you or I.
Good comments. Basically, I am 73 and the last reason that I bought my 2022 GT Perf was to do track days in it. I club raced superbikes for 12 years earlier in my life, but I still maintain the skill sets necessary to hustle this car around in the curves. I am not insane though, and street racing at 80+ mph just isn't safe. That is why I moved to road courses on my motorcycles for such shenanigans. Going around blind curves at full tilt boogie, assuming that there is nothing in the road, is freaking insane. Plus, I am just not in that big of a hurry to wait 15 more minutes at a charging station. I applaud Ford for opting in favor of battery longevity over continuous max power above 100 mph. The vast majority of folks do NOT have the skill sets to handle that kind of speeds on public roads! These boys must have cast iron bladders or something. And complaining that the processor isn't fast enough is ridiculous! It's a hell of a lot faster than the brains of the vast majority of the people that are using it. We are talking fractions of a second here, and that is the stuff that drives ME insane.
I really think people like that Ford has 3,000 service center locations… huge peace of mind for going in on an EV, was def a factor when I bought my F-150 Lightning.
We have a 2022 Mach-e Premium and it's outstanding. We test drove a Model Y as well, but the lack of instrument cluster and inconsistent vision based AutoPilot were huge turn offs. Also the general lack of buttons of almost any kind. It doesn't look very good either, and the interior comfort was just... okay. The Model Y has a number of advantages over the MME, like the OTA updates I think are handled better and more consistent. They show more data than the MME does which Kyle nails several times and is absolutely a valid complaint. But man, the MY just doesn't feel as good as the MME for regular use, has more physical buttons (although I think it could have even more), and has been a great family vehicle. The charging performance could use a bit more work, I expect that will happen in the actual next gen, this is just a mid-cycle refresh. I get Kyle's consistent knock against fast charging speed, but I have road tripped the MME quite a bit and the charging speed as been totally fine. We stop to eat and use the bathroom and the car has done the 10-80 mark, or enough to get us to our destination. I wouldn't hate more speed, nobody would, but I feel like the level of emphasis that Kyle puts on it goes beyond nerd and hits a point of being very specific to his use case which is no breaks, always moving. For most MME or even MY owners, who likely have families, they don't use these vehicles like that all the time. Most with families will say even a 30 minute rest stop, ICE or EV, is not unusual on a 5+ hour road trip. Being done 10 minutes earlier when you are still getting lunch isn't a huge benefit. I think that is what keeps the MME so high on the sales list. It looks good, has a strong dealer network, comes from a known and trusted brand, and does the stuff that matters better than the MY, and the stuff it doesn't do as well most owners won't be too stressed about.
To be fait to Kyle, he is hitting on the charging speed because that's one of the major knocks mainstream media has against EVs. So regardless of if its relevant to you its relevant to the populous.
Ull love it just make sure to at least get a nema 14-50 plug so u can charge ur car about 30 miles per hour average $350-$550 from electrician. And monthly cost to charge depends on driving miles but i drive about 300 miles a week and it cost about $5 per week for me
I've had mine for a couple of weeks now. I still like it. I've owned Tesla, Bolt, Leaf before it. I charge at home 99% of time. Fast charging speed I only do once a month. And I need to stretch my legs when I do fast charge.
I hadn't really ever considered this as a potential vehicle, though I think it looks pretty good.. but this in green, with those rims, looks awesome 🔥🔥
Traded my Y for a Mach-e and never looked back. All the pluses of an EV and a lot of ‘regulator car’ stuff that just works. Better build quality, better finishes, better seats and the software just works - not as fancy and feature rich as my Y but it just works. Sight lines are great and I have a 2022 model and can charge seamlessly within the Telsa supercharger network now - got the Lectron Supercharger adapter (still waiting on the free one) and it works flawlessly. Very happy with my Mach-e and am likely to trade into a new one when I am ready for a new one. I have a vanilla machine-e and use it mostly for local driving and I love it.
Much better video than the 45 minute complain-a-thon dumping session that was released previously. This is more even-handed and aside from the tired jokes about Mustangs hitting crowds of people (2016 called and would like their clever comments back), most of your criticisms fall onto software rather than hardware. That's good news if Ford steps up and takes care of the most important software issues. The only hardware issue that remains is the speed of the infotainment CPU. I agree, over-spec that processor AND optimize the software over time. I think most people would gladly pay an extra $50-100 so that wasn't ever an issue for them. One thought about the dual vs. single wireless charging mat difference. Not having one side doing charging means that you can choose if you don't want to have the phone charging because of heat, or just because you don't want to be constantly charging your phone in exchange for extended battery life. If you want to influence these software changes that you want, doing it publicly is likely not the way to do it. I know that your age group tends to put it all out there for all to see, but most companies tend to do such things behind the scenes and out of the public eye. Then, when it's done (and done successfully), the marketing people are more than happy to talk about the collaboration and make it into a customer service play. You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Good luck!
The map scale. Default is 200 ft is about 1 1/2 inch of travel on screen. Screen is about 5 inches of travel above the arrow (your car), At 70 MPH you do not get much warning or indication of next turn or exit. Even in city travel. You can not plan your route. You can change the scale for better planing. BUT it reverts back to 200 ft with out warning.
I purchased a CPO 2021 First Edition Premium AWD ER. This is my first Ford because I grew up in a GM employee household. I traded in a 2013 Chevy Volt. I disliked the look of the car in general until I saw the specific one that I purchased. GT or Premium is definitely the way to go. Mine came with BD-F18 custom wheels and Brembo brakes so it looks like a GT. This is the my favorite car that I’ve ever owned. I get stopped every other day by people asking about and admiring it. I picked it over a Tesla Y because it felt more premium and better quality and doesn’t look like every other car on the road and. It’s just the right size for my family of 4 and even though I live in Texas with all the lifted, oversized trucks, it doesn’t feel dwarfed on the road because it’s higher off the ground and quick enough to out accelerate pretty much everything. A lot of quirks I didn’t like have been fixed with software updates and the Tesla supercharger adapter is an absolute game changer.
I bought my second Mach E last year (Premium Xtended range). Not a Ford customer, never been. Just love the Mach E. It looks so good inside and out, drives well, comfortable on nice roads, very quiet, well built. You have access to Ford network of dealership (they’re everywhere). The range is really good with the 91kWh battery, the car keeps getting better with the OTAs. And now with the access to the Tesla SC ? One of the best EV out there. Yes it’s not the fastest charging (BUT it can access Tesla SC, again) and I just did a road trip from Calgary to Montana, and never felt like I was waiting for the car. Oh and it has a convenient frunk lol. So many EVs actually don’t.
I don’t own a Mach E but the reason why I would choose it over a Tesla is because of the styling. One of the biggest advantages to Teslas was their charging network. And now that the Mach E can tap into that it cleared the biggest issue I had with buying something that wasn’t a Tesla. Although I think the Mach E isn’t as competitively priced with Tesla and that’s a shame imo
I know the Model Y is a better EV, but coming from an Acura with a lot of buttons, this felt easier to use. I really like the interior, the style, the 360 camera, and the perforated seats. 99% of our charging is at home, so the once or twice per year I might use a public charger, I'm OK with the slower speeds or potential frustration with CCS. Also, at the time of purchase, the MME was a better deal.
But daily drivers *don't* care about the stuff that Kyle doesnt like. - i havent DC Fast Charged since my home charger was installed. - The push-to-start... Yeah, ok. Really not a factor. - Not A Tesla does matter (more to some friends than to me, but still). - I don't drive hard enough to turtle the car. Never have and personally don't think I will
True, but this makes Mach-E not a single car for all needs solution for most while Tesla can now be the single car someone owns that can road trip and be the daily.
@@FarhoodEnsan Mach E seems at least adequate for occasional road trips. If you are taking a 1000 mile road trip every year, it might add up to a half hour of difference per year. Personally, I'm not too hung up about that.
I do 800km trips 2-4 times a year and the slow charging really does add up as a pain point. The 9 minutes faster charging would be terrific on the existing fleet but it'd still be probably 10 minutes too slow to the competition.
You’ve nailed your own question. The Mach-E is a damn good looking ride. And the Mustang brand is a piece of Americana, even if Chevy had a few cars that were better than how those started off.
Your comments about Fords previous method of power limiting makes so much sense to me now. We have 10 E-Transits in our fleet and I was surprised by the power limiting when driving up a long grade in our area. I hope Ford pushes our software updates like this to other models.
@@hacob2004 A lot of the new EVs have a full glass fixed roof with no shade. Now you can buy snap in shades or buy a ceramic tint but I'm hoping its a fad that will fade. Sadly, I think it's here to stay.
We still love our '21 First Edition. We bought it for looks, height, and luxury, not for sport driving. We never floor it. We road trip it a lot (50k miles so far). Charging time is no issue for us. But it's a matter of taste. 30 minutes avg stop.
‘22 Mach E Premium owner here. We do round trips from the Bay Area to LA on one stop for lunch about 30 minutes. I don’t drive like a sociopath so the power and speed numbers don’t impress me. I just cruise at 80 mph unless I’m forced to evade a semi. I would buy another.
We just bought the 2024 Mach E premium and we love it! traded in our Tesla for it..... my only complaint is.... I cannot get the sound settings for bass and treble to stay as I set them!
Why did I buy a Mach-E? My old first-year BMW i3 was due for replacement. I was looking for a newer (used) biggest-battery-pack i3 to replace it with. That was when the used car market was ridiculous. A 3-year-old i3 used cost more than a brand new base model Mach-E (after tax credit.) So we got the Mach-E. A "leftover from the prior model year" 2021 in early 2022. We weren't even planning on buying immediately, we just called around dealers asking if they had one to test drive, knowing we'd be placing an order and waiting a few months. One said "no, but the dealership owner owns one, and will let you test drive it." We got there "turns out we have one someone ordered then cancelled after delivery, you can test drive that one." Test drove it, found it "good enough" and bought it on the spot. Disappointing the sales person's wife waiting in the showroom - she wanted to buy it, but bought an Escape PHEV instead. Absolute base model 2021, the only extra-cost option on it is that it's red. And they gave us a discount for that, when we said we wanted the absolute base model. I didn't want the absolute minimalism of a Model Y, (and Elongated Muskrat's shenanigans were getting to the point that I was not enthusiastic about even keeping the Model S we had as our road trip car - which we replaced with a Rivian later in 2022,) and the "better road tripping" was irrelevant (see comment about having a Model S, later a Rivian, for that,) so the range and charge speed didn't matter. (I mean, we were _planning_ on getting a 160 mile-range, 50kW-charging i3… So even the Mach-E is a huge improvement over that.) While I have had Fords before, I am not a brand loyalist to any brand. I'm more likely to avoid brands than favor them. Also, my sister-in-law had a Mach-E (got it in mid 2021,) and has put over 70,000 miles on it - almost all highway - and almost all "commuting" charging only on level 2 at home or work. (She also has a Rivian, making my wife and her sister being "Mach-E + Rivian" households. :-D )
Wow, i really love that regen function where it regens abruptly and then coasts and stops. When i drive manual cars (which is always) i brake to stop but then, just before the car stoppes completly, i lift off the brake to let the car stop by itself and not lock the brake pads on the Discs, which can leave brake pad deposits on the discs and wear the brakes faster. Of course, this doesn't make sense if the car can stop without physical brakes and it does it with the motors...So if that's the case, i agree to you that i doesn't make sense, although i haven't driven it so i can't say i know how it feels. The car looks really good and although i wish it was just called Mach-E, not mustang, it seems like a nice car. Thanks for this video and all the info you've given us.
Ford has been pretty candid about their maturation with software development. I just wish they did more internal testing and prioritized quality higher.
Great video guys. In addition to the charging speed on the screen, I REALLY wish they would show you the % upon arrival. Their software supplier needs to do an EV trip!😂
Basically, they need to have a culture of empathy in how they design and code their software experience. Tough to do when you share software among many car platforms and it's mostly done by contractors, even more removed from any need to really care.
@@scoopman IMO it's less about empathy, and more about the software designers not having knowledge about EV ownership and what is important to EV owners.
@@Michael_Corea they have knowledge, they just don't really care about making something great, rather than to spec. Ford has plenty of early access user research and is active in reading forums. I suspect whatever talented software resources they have are being put on their next-gen Android Automotive platform, rather than further investment in the dated QNX turd that's in the MME
You were looking for the software version - it's unintuitive, but Ford ships OTA packages in various orders resulting in no single software version for the owners to see. A Ford service tech can pull up a list of your software versions, but owners are unable to see them in the UI.
@@Josh-179 Its not even remotely price competitive. ~10k difference on a 50k car. How is that completive? I'm open to rational discussion, but curious of the mental gymnastics that is required to make that work.
@@bsbllclown , what are you comparing it to? All the EV performance models are between $52K & $66K. Competition is Model Y Performance, Blazer EV SS, Ioniq 5 N, & Kia EV6 GT.
19:31 I know on previous years the difference on the AWD premium and GT was that the front motor on the GT was same size as rear motor on premium, while the premium had a smaller front motor.
I bought Mach-E instead of Model Y because i´ve driven both and I simply like it better. I also think it looks better, build quality feels better, I charge at home and only take 2 or 3 roadtrips in a year so public charging speed doesnt bother me :)
I only road trip 2-3x a year and the MME's slow charging speeds bug the crap out of me. I should not have to stop every 85-100 miles to charge for 25 mins. The new charging curve would probably alleviate my worst pains but it's 2024 and the car should be getting to 80% in < 30 mins.
@@anthonyc8499 I live in a small country so a roadtrip for me is a 1 time 35-40 min charge while I grab some food for a total of around 340 miles roadtrip.
People are buying them because it's a Ford and a "Mustang" and it's not a Tesla. You don't have to be the best, you just have to be the things people don't hate.
@@shou635Oh I think you'd be an idiot to buy this over a Tesla for sure, and that's coming from someone who works with the Big 3. However there are people that value their perceived image more than a superior ownership and driving experience.
2021 Job 1 here. Remote Frunk release has been operating for me for over a year, which made the frunk usable. At first, you needed a dealer installed update and you had to flip a bit using Forscan or FDRS. Once you did that, the control showed up on the screen and the doorpost keypad worked. Some time later, FordPass control showed up. And now this has all been enabled via OTA. So it's not a "new for '24" feature.
I like the design of MachE better than the Model Y. That upfront smaller screen is a plus in the MachE. I like buttons, so for example the MachE has Homelink buttons. 99% of the time I charge at home so the fast charging infrastructure mess does not impact me as much.
As a Tesla owner, I just want to say I like to see the Mach e's rolling around. Nice looking car, and a real EV. Anything with CHADEMO is no good, and while I think eventually eency weency city cars with 150 mile range could be a thing at the right price, I don't think we have the charging situation to where I would consider them a do anything car.
@@fjalics I own a Y and a Mini Ev with the ~100 mile range. That charging plug on the mini(mach-e), OMFG. Its so comically large and heavy. How did they even go about designing that piece of garbage.
@@bsbllclown Two pins for signalling, a ground, two for AC power, and 2 big ones for DC power. I think Tesla wanted a sleeker plug, so they used the same pins for AC and DC, and built switching into it.
This is the only honest review I've seen of the MME refresh, all others have been shills for Ford's PR. Former owner of a 2021 GTPE here -- bought for the cyber orange and looks, dumped the car because of the unreliabiility. My MME completely shat its electric powertrain twice in 12k miles of normal use (they replaced defective parts with defective parts that promptly failed again), and the experience is piss poor when (not if) your Mach-E strands you. The budget for this mid-cycle upgrade was clearly spent entirely on redoing the inadequately engineered electric powertrain. But the glacial charging performance, porky weight, bad handling, slow QNX head unit, and circa-1978 experience of most Ford dealers remains. There are *thousands* of 2023 MMEs sitting on dealer lots, and I'm not sure there is any reason whatsoever to buy this refresh model (which will just have new different reliability concerns in the powertrain I bet) over getting a deal on a 2023 leftover GTPE. But really, can't see any reason to get this over your nearest EV6 GT/Ioniq 5/ GV60 Performance. MME continues to be a mediocre product.
I miss your Mach N Cheez videos! Honestly, this is what should have launched back in 2021. The 2024 MME is a fair competitor to the 2020+ Model Y Performance but the new Ioniq 5 N and forthcoming bigger pack EV6 GT are just way too good for this. I'm not sure there will be issues with the new rear motor since it's a straight swap from Lightning. The HVBJB question is still open.
@@anthonyc8499 awwwwh thanks -- agree that it's probably less the motor itself than all the underspec'd stuff they still have around it.... thanks but I'll stick with my spicy Korean EV6.....
@@scoopman your EV6 GT looks amazing. Glad your ICCU issue was resolved. It's mind boggling that both Ford and Hyundai/Kia have similar issues and didn't learn from early Tesla experiences with this.
@@anthonyc8499 I never had an issue with my ICCU -- and the issues seemed much more rare edge cases for the eGMP cars than on the Mach-E GTs, where pretty much most of the original design was failing. But yes, some similarities in that manufacturers are learning about specifying components like these for cars at scale. One thing Ford is ahead at without question is software OTAs -- before the refresh of the Ioniq 5 / EV6, these cars cannot do OTAs for anything other than the infotainment, so my ICCU software updates involved taking the car to the dealer for a flash. Newer eGMP cars such as the EV9 have the ccNC infotainment platform that allows for the whole car to be updated, and should eliminate having to visit the dealer for such things.
I went Mach E because it looks fantastic, and it is not Elon's business. I charge at home 98% of the time. If I'm road tripping I'm not doing it enough I care about charge performance. If it's a long enough drive I'd charge more than twice, im on a plane.
Your only concern is how fast it DC charges. 90+% of the time we all charge at home so it’s irrelevant for almost all of us. Plus in most of the US chargers won’t do more than 150 anyway. The car is solid, cheap, reliable, doesn’t squeak like a Tesla, and is normal. That’s why they sell. Some of us like to tell the car when to start and stop, not have it decide when to do things. That’s my biggest complaint between my Mach E and 4wt.
The best thing about ford is that their ceo recognizes the impact Tesla has had on the car industry and some of the things they just do better. OTA and constant refreshes to cars is something Tesla pioneered. It’ll be interesting to see what they do in the future. I’m hopeful for their future products.
And the best for battery longevity, but Lvl2 is really the ultimate charging ...for the battery health. Ford doesn't really want people fast charging these anyway.
Kyle, "Slow old people." Really?? That ageist comment was really uncalled for. A lot of slow old people subscribe to your channels. You should be more respectful of them.
The software needs improvement. Route planning needs work. Tried to route me to a 49kw charger for 55 minutes in my Lightning when I had an adapter for Tesla & Supercharger option, also an EA station 15 miles before that was empty & had 350kw charging. Doesn’t make sense how it determines where to have you stop.
Why Mach-E over the Model Y? Tesla's are just boring. That's my wife's thinking anyway. She doesn't care about charge speed (never uses fast charging). She loves her Mach-E.
@6:50 Why a Mustang Mach E... For me it is about the styling... Yes I have been a Ford guy for years but if the product didn't meet some sort of minimum I would not get it. I have a Fusion Hybrid now and want all electric. I think the key thing is the style and performance is pretty good. But on daily commute it won't really matter much. I do want better charging curve and more optimal performance in that regard, but I am not doing DAILY road trips. The once a month or so roadtrip is all I need it for. Plus with the future addition of the J3400 (NACS) and access to the super chargers that covers the main worry. Also the space in the Mach E is pretty good without feeling squished. I DO want better charging performance (maybe 10%-80% in say 15 to 20 minutes) but it won't be an every day issue for me.
6:44 - A: the exterior design...🤙 i mean just LOOK AT IT, even here in 2024 (ie, 4 years on from the debut) the classic "curvy" Bri'ish/'Talian styling still looks fresh. one is extremely hard-pressed to say that about the stale AF Model Y and 3.
As someone who has just started looking at EV ownership the last few months, fast charging performance is like 10th on my list of “stuff I care about”.
If you can charge at home/work it does become less of an issue. But if you have to use the public chargers and charge regularly, its something you do have to think about. It's not just charge speed/time, you also have to account for how long you have to wait to even be able to charge. Of course tesla opening their chargers up will help, but until then, it sucks having to wait an hour for a charge to open up.
You're not supposed to primarily fast charge the Mach-E. Read the owner's manual. If you don't have any alternative it may mean an EV (or this EV) isn't right for you.
@henry17403 I'm not a mach e owner so i wouldn't have known about that. Is that the case for all EVs though? Doesn't seem idea to get rid of a pretty good sized part of a potential customer base
@@sungbaek3526 Well, there's also the point that fast chargers have not yet become common enough in all areas that there's real price competition. Here in PA, DC fast chargers I've had to use (before I got a home charger) are about 58 cents per kilowatt hour, which is more expensive than putting gas into an efficient ICE or hybrid car. EVs are not yet necessarily the best, most cost effective solution for all owners. If you can't charge at home or at work, it might not be the cheapest way to drive.
@Timmayytoo I think your comment is spot on. At the end of the video, the "list of things the Mach E does worst" are likely to be quite low on the list of traits that the average EV buyer is looking for or considers significant.
I would recommend buying a leftover 2023 if your local dealer has them, we got a 10500 lease bonus on a new 2023 Premium AWD earlier this year. Even better than the tax credit. We absolutely love it. Drove the Model Y and bought our Mach-E instead. We will probably buy it out at the end of the lease, with the lease credit and a $3000 dealer discount, the buyout is very reasonable, in the upper teens. We have taken it on a road trip and the charging didn't seem that bad to me, I'm not some cannonball-er looking for absolute minimum charging stops. On at least half of our stops, the car was up to 80% before we were done doing what we were doing with eating or going to the restroom, so forth. Only when ABRP recommended charging to 93%, was it pretty slow. I actually pulled off at 88% and we made it to our next charging stop just fine with a higher percentage than ABRP thought we would have. I will probably be more aggressive at keeping it at a lower arrival state of charge next trip, because you get 120-140 more consistently when the battery is pretty empty. It starts declining to 80kw after a while in the mid percentage wise. I just don't know if I'm ready to aim for 0% like these guys do on their trips.
The charging speed for the Ioniq 5 2024 is amazing even at a 150kw charger. I went from 20-80% in 17 minutes at one. Shocked the hell out of me. EA in New Rochelle.
Where the Mach-E has you beat is on Supercharger access and speeds. Even if you could use the adapter, you can't break 100kW. In the big battery RWD car, that might be able to knock out some big miles in a day. The GT will still suffer though.
@@MrTekniqs yup, I charge at home almost exclusively. But when I need to charge away from the house, it needs to be super fast and reliable. I’m glad I have supercharger access. I wish I had your 800v speeds or even the new 2024 charge curve. As it is, the Hyundai and Kias suffer a bit right now on Superchargers with no access and 97kW if you can charge on magic dock
@@MrTekniqs 15 mins charging stops for 200 miles of range is the dream. The bigger pack on the latest Ioniq 5 really helps in the future. It’s a bummer that there’s no mention of faster charging on 400v chargers.
I have this same 2024 GT with performance, just without the bronze package. I got mine, because it's a BEAUTIFUL VEHICLE and is made really well. All it's missing, in my opinion, is being able to watch a live video of your car through its cameras when away from it, like a Tesla..
@@TheReal_JGOnly letting him smell the octovalve could bring him back to life! 😅 That said, VW is working on an integrated solution, too. I wonder in which car it will premiere.
To answer your question about why the Mach-E, it's the mix of things. Styling, driving dynamics, approachable tech, build quality, and community. My wife and I both have Mach-Es. They aren't the fastest charging or have the most cargo capacity. But it's really not missing anything. It puts a smile on our faces and charges just fast enough to not be annoying on the occasional road trip. Now with the NACS adapter the trade offs seem minimal for what is arguably a better looking car that drives like a Mustang!
My wife 100% chose it because of the looks (inside and out). I showed her all the alternatives, all the cons with the Mach E; I made sure she fully understood the choice she was making and she didn’t really care for any of it. She’s completely happy with it and the lackluster charging has had 0 effect on our use of the vehicle. Most of our charging has been at home and that’s fine. Sometimes emotion wins over logic.
Tell her she picked a piece of shit car you wasted your money on found on road dead Ford next time get a Tesla model Y dude
@@walterwhite1 cool story, dude.
@@walterwhite1I'm a Tesla fan but folks like you make it real difficult sometimes.
@@kyactivetm TESLA IS FUCKING 🤴🏼
@@walterwhite1 cringe
I do gotta say, I like that green color
Eruption Green apparently, whatever that means.
Genuinely sick colour, actually workse with the bronze too.
Reminds me of the awesome multicoat green porche has
The only thing ford can do right
@@skater1191 tbf they are good at spending money on marketing lol
It's really looks awesome I was it at the NYC AUTO show a few months ago. The green looked like it had metallic bronze in it matching the the bronze grill and rims.
My wife and I went and test drove a Mach E Premium, Blazer EV RS, and Equinox EV LT as potential replacements for her Bolt EUV because there are a lot of incentives and 0% financing right now on those three.
My wife liked the Mach E the best overall and when I asked her why, she gave me the following reasons:
1. Cupholders are where she likes them.
2. The heat hits her feet well.
3. The sunglasses holder in the roof liner.
4. The panoramic roof makes her feel "like she's a plant in a greenhouse."
5. The turn signals are soft and quiet.
You guys are right to think that people are making non-car nerd decisions when it comes to buying these. But my wife isn't entirely wrong though, either: the fit & finish and build quality of this vehicle is fantastic.
I've now driven a Mach-e and a Model Y, and I found the Mach-e a much more comfortable drive.
I bought a Mach E
I got this over Tesla and other manufacturers because of the 0% interest and heavy incentives.
Styling and build quality was a big part of my decision too. The paint, the ride feel comfort seats everything, Ford nailed it ✅
I will tell you the reason why this is such a good seller. It is because anyone who has driven any car can get in this and drive it. Very small learning curve. It has blinkers where they should be. It’s has light controls where they should be. You can open the glove box without going into the screen. Mirror controls are where they are on every car. etc.
This has absolutely not been a good seller.
@@Dawood4one of the best selling electric cars. So from an electric car perspective it’s selling great.
@@dmegahan
I wouldn't consider any electric call particularly well selling besides the model y and model 3. Let's be honest, starting with the bolt, all those cars sold pretty poorly.
Tesla Model Y 394,497
Tesla Model 3 220,910
Chevrolet Bolt EV/EUV 62,045
Ford Mustang Mach-E 40,771
Volkswagen ID.4 37,789
Hyundai Ioniq 5 33,918
Rivian R1S 24,783
Ford F-150 Lightning 24,165
Tesla Model X 23,015
BMW i4 22,583
It's a terrible seller. Model Y was the best selling car last year, not EV but overall car. Because people only adjust their mirrors once, auto lights, and other innovations are better than this horse and buggy boomer technology.
@@TheAndrwwJohnsonin the US the F150 was still the best selling vehicle like usual. Then Silverado, ram 1500, rave 4 and in 5th place the model Y
Kyle, i just moved back from the US from the UAE, been overseas for 27 years, and because of your channel i bought an EV6. I live in vegas and commute to Carlsbad monday night and back Thursday afternoon. I charge at home before leaving, drive about 200 miles, charge in Hesperia CA at the Walmart, then charge at work then at Baker on the way home. This last trip i had to charge for 8 mins going and 8 mins coming. Your video on the ev6 and the charging time is what sold me. I love your videos, keep it up...next stop is lucid air pure
Welcome home!
My wife bought a 23.5 Mach-e. She loved it at first sight. It didn't matter that it was an EV. If it was ICE she would have bought it. We love the "connection" to the legacy Mustang "vibe". We also like that Ford has dedicated folks that monitor the social media groups and interacts with the owners. The way she uses her car, charging speed doesn't matter. The Level 2 charger at home gets it done. Ive been a Ford owner since 1972. What I really want is a modern day version of the Thunderbird Super Coupe from the 90's that's an EV.
I think most people are fine with L2 charging, but for the occasional road trip here or there it sucks having to wait 35-40 minutes to charge from 15% to 80%
I'd love a Mercury Grand Marquis EV.
I'm sure Ford will scratch that Thunderbird itch in EV form....eventually. Two door coupe/convertibles aren't exactly the sweet spot for EVs currently.
@@thewolfdoctor761 and the crown vic and town car
@@JD-yx7be That would be great.
I drove a Mach E GT for 14 months. My first 7 months of ownership was with my Mach E in service twice totally 2 months. NO LOANER, NO RENTAL, NO UBER CREDITS. I was forced to pay for my own rental and make payments on my Mach E. Makes it impossible for me to recommend Ford to anyone. Been driving a R1T for the last year and half and always get a loaner/rental no questions asked.
My f150 lightning has been in the shop since may 6th. I was able to get a loaner from the dealer eventually. i was forced to book a rental at 1st.. then was told to go through ford customer service.....i just want my truck back that i am paying for :( In a gas f150 right now.
“Always get a loaner/rental no questions asked” I can’t imagine a new car needing to be serviced often enough in the first year and a half that for rental/loaner allowance to be a consideration. Then again I drive Hondas and Toyotas.
@@benbryceholden1at the same time? Don’t worry, they can break down too just less often that’s is unless the wheels fall off. Ford does have a habit of having a lot of recalls.
@@benbryceholden1 I drive Kias and Hyundais. No issues. Says a lot about Ford. Car looks great though. 😂
At least your car was fixed? My dealer has no clue how to work on these
My Mach E is my first Ford that isn't an old F150. I traded up from a Volt. It's a beautiful car that is a joy to drive, gets good support from Ford and since I only charge at home and don't take it on long trips, does absolutely everything I need it to do. Probably my favorite thing about it is that in a world full of generic same looking grey, maroon or black Teslas, my Grabber Blue GT PE stands out. It gets more attention than any vehicle I've ever owned. And did I mention is a blast to drive?
I chose Mach E, since it the most comfortable car I have ever driven at all speeds. Plus, it is a beautiful looking car - nice curves. It has tons of power and maneuvers really well. I recently took my performance from North Carolina to Manitoba with no issues. It was useful have the NACS adapter. With membership, the Tesla network is cheaper than some of the other networks. Plus, it was the main network available through North Dakota. The charge speed of the Mach E is much better than many other EVs - certainly compared to my Bolt and previous Leaf it is like night and day! I usually take half hour anyway when I stop - lol:). We have not seen the long term effect of higher rates of charging yet. It is conceivable that charging at 250 kw as opposed to 150 kw may lead to faster battery degradation for what I perceive as an insignificant gain of time - time will tell. If I ever upgrade it would be another performance mach e - Ford nailed it!
The looks, and the way it drives. After test driving the KIA EV6, Tesla and Ford MME, it wasn't even close...hands down the Mach E
Thanks for all the casts. Own a 2021 First Edition Grabber Blue. Love it. . It usually charges 120-140 kwh rate on the road trips, 35 to 40 minutes from 10% to 80% but not a problem for me, 95 % of my miles is home charged.
Love the looks, love the interior, love how quiet the car is, and love the savings on charging,
3-4 times cheaper to run on the road than gas. Love to wave when I pass the gas station. Love that no pollution for my grandkids.
Can not wait 10 years till we will all be driving EVs with solid state batteries!
Thanks, for your podcasts
6 months of Ford Mustang Mach E ownership, and I’m thrilled with my ride - which is saying a lot considering I commute 140 miles per day. It’s a fun and quiet ride. I still get comments from strangers of how cool it looks in shadow -black. Good job Ford!
Kyle, the dimple showed up on the 23 (possibly 23.5) model year.
Reason I bought it was because of the style, comfort, name (easiest way to talk my old school hubby into switching to EV) and still way better charging curves than my first 2 EVs (a 2014 smart ED and a 2014 i3 Rex).
I am fine with the charging speeds on my 2021 California route 1 (RWD extended range). At hubby’s age it still takes longer for rest stops than it does for charging.
You had me at "my first 2 EVs", damn. I got my Model 3 Nov 2018. I like to see Mach e's driving around. Nice looking car, and an EV.
Any time Kyle and Jordan do a video together, let the giggling begin! And I am here for it.
Thank you so much for being honest and putting Ford on the hot seat about their deficiencies.
I do like a start button, how about push button radio channel select buttons and a hidden cd changer, love my 2012 Kona blue metallic v6 with pony package!
I have to admit the car look sweeeet! I love that green color.
The subwoofer rattle is a thing with the B&O sound system. There's an insulation sheet that makes a buzzing sound.
Bought a model 3 highland about a month ago and have zero regrets, but that color looks super good on the Mach E. Really like the styling here.
You could probably get a green wrap for your Model 3.
Editing guys. I'd have watched this but 1 hour and 17 minutes is nuts. You open up the video, catch this montage and are like, "wow, they're setting me up for a marathon on a 3 year old car's minor refresh" and then look at the time and I'm like, "nope!"
Good luck.
There could have been some tighter editing to cut time and get to the most important parts. I pretty much skipped the entire first part.
Kyle and company: we Bought a 2021 Premium AWD Extended range. Love it. Have had zero problems-not one. New to Ford. Very happy.
What we like: looks (we like a whole lot), plug n charge, OTAs, quality build, software is acceptable (Blue Cruise is great) and number of cameras good, fun enough to drive in normal situations, comfortable for driver and passenger (driver seat adjusts to accommodate both husband and I with 8” height difference - Tesla did not & fully power-adjustable passenger seat raises and lowers to accommodate shorter/taller passengers- this is a big deal as I am really short) and suitable rear seat usability (rarely use rear seat but it’s comfortable enough for another couple in backseat), hands free lift gate, fast enough to be fun, range is good (250+ in good conditions). It’s NOT a Tesla. That can’t be underestimated. We wanted electric. We did not want Tesla. No Tesla for a variety of reasons including build quality. Ford knows how to build a car. Ford community of enthusiasts and company support also really nice.
For a daily driver for my Gen X 50-something husband, the car is fantastic. Still turns heads which Teslas do not. Charges great at home. Bought an Emporia home charger and can program slower charging/charge off solar only. Rarely use DCFC as there isn’t infrastructure where we live anyway. Can road trip regionally which is all we need to do.
If we had been willing/able to wait to buy, would have considered others but I have driven many of the newer competitors and still don’t like any of them as much as we like Mach E.
As for the geeky stuff, not that important. I’d like more than my husband does even though he’s the engineer. 🤷🏼♀️
But overall the features offered and the styling meet our needs very well. And I like Jim Farley WAY better than Elon Musk. And that was before Twitter/X fiasco.
The 10%-80% charge test is more real world use accurate and relevant. Love the look and the green, it has good range, dual screens, a real steering wheel, etc. I'd take this over a Model Y any day.
The front trunk button is working on my 2021 Mach-E. I have been beta testing version 5.0 for a while, and the phone as a key feature has been rock solid since day one.
I bought a 2022 Mach-E GT back in Q4 2022. I love it but I do have some complaints and it's nice to see some of them addressed on this update. In mine, the suspension is pretty stiff so potholes or speed bumps will send rear-seated passengers airborne. The heater in the winter will eat around 25-30% of my range (around 2.3mi/kwh on the freeway 70mph, down around 1.8mi/kwh if I'm stuck in traffic in the city). During the summer, we'll get around 2.6 and 3.8 respectively. The charging speed is too slow as well, sustaining around 90-100kwh when at a fast charger - it makes me envious of the EV6 GTs that pull up to chargers next to me.
Do you preheat the car before you drive it to help save on battery?
@@devinself2104 If I'm plugged in at home I will probably 50% of the time. If I'm road tripping, definitely in the winter but I don't really bother in the summer.
All cars should have heat savaging as standard and use heat pumps.
To rely on old style heaters especially at this price range is terrible
I am considering buying my first EV, and I’m leaning toward choosing a Mach E (likely used) over a comparable Model Y, Ioniq 5, id4, Polestar 2, etc. Here’s why:
1. Styling. I think it looks better than the others, sans the P2, and looks good from every angle, unlike the Tesla, Hyundai, & VW. I actually love the aesthetic of the mustang badges too, sorrynotsorry.
2. Sporty handling. I know Kyle disagrees, but multiple other review channels (Throttle House, Rory with AutoTrader, Edmunds, etc) have raved about the cornering (for being a crossover), and most seem to think it handles/corners better than the Ioniq5 and as good or better than the Y.
3. Interior. I like it better than the Y. I test drove the Tesla 3 & Y, and I’d be fine with those interiors, but they don’t resonate with me like the Mach E does. Tricks my brain into thinking I’m in a futuristic muscle car. Gauge cluster screen is nice too.
4. Competitive range. It seems like every range test on the Mach-E results in “EPA says 280 and we got 275,” meanwhile on Tesla’s it’s, “EPA says 310 and we got 275.” And blows the equally attractive P2 real world range out of the water (unless one could afford a 2024 P2, and opted for RWD)
So yeah, I’m planning to sacrifice the charge speeds, software & interface, thermal management, efficiency, & >5 seconds of power that a Tesla could get me, mostly for the *vibes* of the Mustang Mach-E.
I figured, who cares about the extra 30 minutes or an hour on long trips if I love the car more the other ~355 days a year. And I figured I *might* track the car once or twice. Maybe. And outside of that scenario, I don’t foresee holding the pedal to the floor long enough to hit that power cut; not very often at least.
@ryanevans2655: I learned this as child from my step-Uncle (at that time -- who was a mechanic) that F. O.R.D. stands for Fix On Regular Days.
@@curtisCclarke Found on road dead, the acronyms are endless. That being said I've owned a a few fords that were bullet proof (they were trucks though).
Never choose style over substance
@@mrh3085 if all we all applied that to car purchases, 90+% of us would drive little hatchback hybrids that got 50 mpg. That we don’t, for the majority of us, is bc of stylistic preferences.
@@ryanevans2655 the fact you were willing to pay more for an inferior product shows your blind allegiance to Ford. My Tesla is far from perfect, but it is the best EV on the road for the price.
I love how Kyle has all the nerd details in his head and provides them to us viewers. Things like the LFP battery cars having a 7 kW PTC battery heater and the NMC cars having a 5 kW heater. Some of this is more detailed and informative than even Munro Live's teardown videos or Caresoft's presentations on AutoLine.
To dent your frunk lid be sure to press it down hard with your palms rather than the proper way of letting the lid drop using gravity.
Kyle is always about ripping it in the canyons, but many of us don’t drive like his group of employees do. I want really comfortable and supportive seats, precise and heavy steering that doesn’t wander about, a comfortable and easy to modulate accelerator pedal and a brake pedal that is not over sensitive. I love one pedal driving, but not everybody does, so it has to be adjustable.
For its great features I love my 2018 Red/Black Model 3 with its rich looking polished chrome or polished stainless trim.
I made the mistake of trying a Mercedes EQS SUV and never wanted to leave the seats. Car is a bit floaty to drive but I would buy those seats just to sit them in at home!
@mitchellbarnow1709 These kids are quite a but younger than most of us customers buying these cars. This is by no mean a know to the channel, just important to understand their perspective compared to say you or I.
Good comments. Basically, I am 73 and the last reason that I bought my 2022 GT Perf was to do track days in it. I club raced superbikes for 12 years earlier in my life, but I still maintain the skill sets necessary to hustle this car around in the curves. I am not insane though, and street racing at 80+ mph just isn't safe. That is why I moved to road courses on my motorcycles for such shenanigans. Going around blind curves at full tilt boogie, assuming that there is nothing in the road, is freaking insane.
Plus, I am just not in that big of a hurry to wait 15 more minutes at a charging station. I applaud Ford for opting in favor of battery longevity over continuous max power above 100 mph. The vast majority of folks do NOT have the skill sets to handle that kind of speeds on public roads!
These boys must have cast iron bladders or something. And complaining that the processor isn't fast enough is ridiculous! It's a hell of a lot faster than the brains of the vast majority of the people that are using it. We are talking fractions of a second here, and that is the stuff that drives ME insane.
I really think people like that Ford has 3,000 service center locations… huge peace of mind for going in on an EV, was def a factor when I bought my F-150 Lightning.
I don't need a Tesla Service Center close to me just to add windshield wiper fluid.
@@scottbreseke716 yep, 2 years of ownership, i've added my wiper fluid myself.
@@scottbreseke716Maybe sometimes you may need a dealership to fix something on the road. Maybe...
@@scottbreseke716 either does the Mustang, what is your point?
If this is poor dc charging then what do you call the bolt and bz4x. I think you're being too rough
And I love my Mach-E because of the premium interior as well as the awesome looking design and huge frunk with a drain
We have a 2022 Mach-e Premium and it's outstanding. We test drove a Model Y as well, but the lack of instrument cluster and inconsistent vision based AutoPilot were huge turn offs. Also the general lack of buttons of almost any kind. It doesn't look very good either, and the interior comfort was just... okay. The Model Y has a number of advantages over the MME, like the OTA updates I think are handled better and more consistent. They show more data than the MME does which Kyle nails several times and is absolutely a valid complaint.
But man, the MY just doesn't feel as good as the MME for regular use, has more physical buttons (although I think it could have even more), and has been a great family vehicle.
The charging performance could use a bit more work, I expect that will happen in the actual next gen, this is just a mid-cycle refresh.
I get Kyle's consistent knock against fast charging speed, but I have road tripped the MME quite a bit and the charging speed as been totally fine. We stop to eat and use the bathroom and the car has done the 10-80 mark, or enough to get us to our destination. I wouldn't hate more speed, nobody would, but I feel like the level of emphasis that Kyle puts on it goes beyond nerd and hits a point of being very specific to his use case which is no breaks, always moving. For most MME or even MY owners, who likely have families, they don't use these vehicles like that all the time. Most with families will say even a 30 minute rest stop, ICE or EV, is not unusual on a 5+ hour road trip. Being done 10 minutes earlier when you are still getting lunch isn't a huge benefit.
I think that is what keeps the MME so high on the sales list. It looks good, has a strong dealer network, comes from a known and trusted brand, and does the stuff that matters better than the MY, and the stuff it doesn't do as well most owners won't be too stressed about.
How long does it take to charge from 10-80%? It also depends on the charger itself that's available.
To be fait to Kyle, he is hitting on the charging speed because that's one of the major knocks mainstream media has against EVs. So regardless of if its relevant to you its relevant to the populous.
I have had my GTPE since 2021. DC fast charged about 6 times total. Its been a great car for me
How many miles? Im curious how is it holding up so far?
@jcherrax we have 35k, not a lot of miles for a 2021. But has been a great car for us.
@@2010mockingbird impressive thank you also be aware you should be recieving a complimentary tesla adapter next month keep your eyes peeled!
@jcherrax yes received mine about a month ago. Haven't tried it yet, but I have used the Tesla supercharger twice with an off brand adapter.
@2010mockingbird amazing brotha
Picking my 2022 GT Performance tomorrow. Replacing one of my favorite cars of all time - my 2016 GLA45 AMG. Sad day but I am pumped!
Ull love it just make sure to at least get a nema 14-50 plug so u can charge ur car about 30 miles per hour average $350-$550 from electrician. And monthly cost to charge depends on driving miles but i drive about 300 miles a week and it cost about $5 per week for me
I've had mine for a couple of weeks now. I still like it. I've owned Tesla, Bolt, Leaf before it. I charge at home 99% of time. Fast charging speed I only do once a month. And I need to stretch my legs when I do fast charge.
I hadn't really ever considered this as a potential vehicle, though I think it looks pretty good.. but this in green, with those rims, looks awesome 🔥🔥
Beautiful wheels and exterior design is stunning. Well done, Ford.
Your content vibe is just right, keep it up
Traded my Y for a Mach-e and never looked back. All the pluses of an EV and a lot of ‘regulator car’ stuff that just works. Better build quality, better finishes, better seats and the software just works - not as fancy and feature rich as my Y but it just works. Sight lines are great and I have a 2022 model and can charge seamlessly within the Telsa supercharger network now - got the Lectron Supercharger adapter (still waiting on the free one) and it works flawlessly. Very happy with my Mach-e and am likely to trade into a new one when I am ready for a new one. I have a vanilla machine-e and use it mostly for local driving and I love it.
Much better video than the 45 minute complain-a-thon dumping session that was released previously. This is more even-handed and aside from the tired jokes about Mustangs hitting crowds of people (2016 called and would like their clever comments back), most of your criticisms fall onto software rather than hardware. That's good news if Ford steps up and takes care of the most important software issues. The only hardware issue that remains is the speed of the infotainment CPU. I agree, over-spec that processor AND optimize the software over time. I think most people would gladly pay an extra $50-100 so that wasn't ever an issue for them.
One thought about the dual vs. single wireless charging mat difference. Not having one side doing charging means that you can choose if you don't want to have the phone charging because of heat, or just because you don't want to be constantly charging your phone in exchange for extended battery life.
If you want to influence these software changes that you want, doing it publicly is likely not the way to do it. I know that your age group tends to put it all out there for all to see, but most companies tend to do such things behind the scenes and out of the public eye. Then, when it's done (and done successfully), the marketing people are more than happy to talk about the collaboration and make it into a customer service play. You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Good luck!
Re your last paragraph - are you new to internet?
I purchased the Mache cause its over 300 miles and it has a driver side console. The dealer has also been good to us on service.
That green is stunning
The map scale. Default is 200 ft is about 1 1/2 inch of travel on screen. Screen is about 5 inches of travel above the arrow (your car), At 70 MPH you do not get much warning or indication of next turn or exit. Even in city travel. You can not plan your route. You can change the scale for better planing. BUT it reverts back to 200 ft with out warning.
That color is sick!
I purchased a CPO 2021 First Edition Premium AWD ER. This is my first Ford because I grew up in a GM employee household. I traded in a 2013 Chevy Volt. I disliked the look of the car in general until I saw the specific one that I purchased. GT or Premium is definitely the way to go. Mine came with BD-F18 custom wheels and Brembo brakes so it looks like a GT. This is the my favorite car that I’ve ever owned. I get stopped every other day by people asking about and admiring it. I picked it over a Tesla Y because it felt more premium and better quality and doesn’t look like every other car on the road and. It’s just the right size for my family of 4 and even though I live in Texas with all the lifted, oversized trucks, it doesn’t feel dwarfed on the road because it’s higher off the ground and quick enough to out accelerate pretty much everything. A lot of quirks I didn’t like have been fixed with software updates and the Tesla supercharger adapter is an absolute game changer.
Terrible charging speeds make this an easy car to pass on. And No tax credit is terrible.
I bought my second Mach E last year (Premium Xtended range). Not a Ford customer, never been. Just love the Mach E. It looks so good inside and out, drives well, comfortable on nice roads, very quiet, well built. You have access to Ford network of dealership (they’re everywhere).
The range is really good with the 91kWh battery, the car keeps getting better with the OTAs. And now with the access to the Tesla SC ? One of the best EV out there. Yes it’s not the fastest charging (BUT it can access Tesla SC, again) and I just did a road trip from Calgary to Montana, and never felt like I was waiting for the car.
Oh and it has a convenient frunk lol. So many EVs actually don’t.
I love the occasional blur on the speedometer… #plausibledeniabilityftw 🤣
I don’t own a Mach E but the reason why I would choose it over a Tesla is because of the styling. One of the biggest advantages to Teslas was their charging network. And now that the Mach E can tap into that it cleared the biggest issue I had with buying something that wasn’t a Tesla. Although I think the Mach E isn’t as competitively priced with Tesla and that’s a shame imo
I know the Model Y is a better EV, but coming from an Acura with a lot of buttons, this felt easier to use. I really like the interior, the style, the 360 camera, and the perforated seats. 99% of our charging is at home, so the once or twice per year I might use a public charger, I'm OK with the slower speeds or potential frustration with CCS. Also, at the time of purchase, the MME was a better deal.
But daily drivers *don't* care about the stuff that Kyle doesnt like.
- i havent DC Fast Charged since my home charger was installed.
- The push-to-start... Yeah, ok. Really not a factor.
- Not A Tesla does matter (more to some friends than to me, but still).
- I don't drive hard enough to turtle the car. Never have and personally don't think I will
True, but this makes Mach-E not a single car for all needs solution for most while Tesla can now be the single car someone owns that can road trip and be the daily.
@@FarhoodEnsan Mach E seems at least adequate for occasional road trips. If you are taking a 1000 mile road trip every year, it might add up to a half hour of difference per year. Personally, I'm not too hung up about that.
I do 800km trips 2-4 times a year and the slow charging really does add up as a pain point. The 9 minutes faster charging would be terrific on the existing fleet but it'd still be probably 10 minutes too slow to the competition.
I am driving my second Mach E..Never ever had a squeek or rattle..Great fit and finish
You’ve nailed your own question. The Mach-E is a damn good looking ride. And the Mustang brand is a piece of Americana, even if Chevy had a few cars that were better than how those started off.
Umm you mean a piece of Mexico and China lol..does not qualify for the AMERICAN tax credit
Your comments about Fords previous method of power limiting makes so much sense to me now. We have 10 E-Transits in our fleet and I was surprised by the power limiting when driving up a long grade in our area. I hope Ford pushes our software updates like this to other models.
Y’all need to come to Texas in August and then tell me about how we need the glass roof.
Ceramic tints take care of this. Large glass roofs aren't a new thing.
@@otm646 I don't really get the obsession with them. I have a large glass panoramic roof and I keep the shade closed 99% of the time.
@@hacob2004 A lot of the new EVs have a full glass fixed roof with no shade. Now you can buy snap in shades or buy a ceramic tint but I'm hoping its a fad that will fade. Sadly, I think it's here to stay.
No one needs it. It's a luxury thing.
I prefer it cuz my kid likes looking up, some sky, trees, raindrops. It's tinted. Again, not necessary at all.
We still love our '21 First Edition. We bought it for looks, height, and luxury, not for sport driving. We never floor it.
We road trip it a lot (50k miles so far). Charging time is no issue for us. But it's a matter of taste. 30 minutes avg stop.
‘22 Mach E Premium owner here. We do round trips from the Bay Area to LA on one stop for lunch about 30 minutes. I don’t drive like a sociopath so the power and speed numbers don’t impress me. I just cruise at 80 mph unless I’m forced to evade a semi. I would buy another.
We just bought the 2024 Mach E premium and we love it! traded in our Tesla for it..... my only complaint is.... I cannot get the sound settings for bass and treble to stay as I set them!
Why did I buy a Mach-E?
My old first-year BMW i3 was due for replacement. I was looking for a newer (used) biggest-battery-pack i3 to replace it with. That was when the used car market was ridiculous. A 3-year-old i3 used cost more than a brand new base model Mach-E (after tax credit.)
So we got the Mach-E. A "leftover from the prior model year" 2021 in early 2022. We weren't even planning on buying immediately, we just called around dealers asking if they had one to test drive, knowing we'd be placing an order and waiting a few months. One said "no, but the dealership owner owns one, and will let you test drive it." We got there "turns out we have one someone ordered then cancelled after delivery, you can test drive that one."
Test drove it, found it "good enough" and bought it on the spot. Disappointing the sales person's wife waiting in the showroom - she wanted to buy it, but bought an Escape PHEV instead. Absolute base model 2021, the only extra-cost option on it is that it's red. And they gave us a discount for that, when we said we wanted the absolute base model.
I didn't want the absolute minimalism of a Model Y, (and Elongated Muskrat's shenanigans were getting to the point that I was not enthusiastic about even keeping the Model S we had as our road trip car - which we replaced with a Rivian later in 2022,) and the "better road tripping" was irrelevant (see comment about having a Model S, later a Rivian, for that,) so the range and charge speed didn't matter. (I mean, we were _planning_ on getting a 160 mile-range, 50kW-charging i3… So even the Mach-E is a huge improvement over that.)
While I have had Fords before, I am not a brand loyalist to any brand. I'm more likely to avoid brands than favor them.
Also, my sister-in-law had a Mach-E (got it in mid 2021,) and has put over 70,000 miles on it - almost all highway - and almost all "commuting" charging only on level 2 at home or work. (She also has a Rivian, making my wife and her sister being "Mach-E + Rivian" households. :-D )
Sounds like the Mach E has treated you and yours pretty well. Thanks for sharing it.
Wow, i really love that regen function where it regens abruptly and then coasts and stops. When i drive manual cars (which is always) i brake to stop but then, just before the car stoppes completly, i lift off the brake to let the car stop by itself and not lock the brake pads on the Discs, which can leave brake pad deposits on the discs and wear the brakes faster. Of course, this doesn't make sense if the car can stop without physical brakes and it does it with the motors...So if that's the case, i agree to you that i doesn't make sense, although i haven't driven it so i can't say i know how it feels.
The car looks really good and although i wish it was just called Mach-E, not mustang, it seems like a nice car. Thanks for this video and all the info you've given us.
Ford made a great looking vehicle here. Much nicer inside and out than a Tesla imho.
Ford has been pretty candid about their maturation with software development. I just wish they did more internal testing and prioritized quality higher.
Great video guys. In addition to the charging speed on the screen, I REALLY wish they would show you the % upon arrival. Their software supplier needs to do an EV trip!😂
If the people who made the software just drive an EV for 6 months, none of these issues would be in there
@@KyleConner 100%
Basically, they need to have a culture of empathy in how they design and code their software experience. Tough to do when you share software among many car platforms and it's mostly done by contractors, even more removed from any need to really care.
@@scoopman IMO it's less about empathy, and more about the software designers not having knowledge about EV ownership and what is important to EV owners.
@@Michael_Corea they have knowledge, they just don't really care about making something great, rather than to spec. Ford has plenty of early access user research and is active in reading forums. I suspect whatever talented software resources they have are being put on their next-gen Android Automotive platform, rather than further investment in the dated QNX turd that's in the MME
I bought a 2023 GT for the 0% financing & for the looks. It’s a nice looking car in the right color.
Why did I buy a Mach-E GT and not a model y...
It's Musk free
You were looking for the software version - it's unintuitive, but Ford ships OTA packages in various orders resulting in no single software version for the owners to see.
A Ford service tech can pull up a list of your software versions, but owners are unable to see them in the UI.
It doesn't look like the spaceship on Flight of The Navigator. The MachE does everything I need in a EV, charges at home great, and drives solid.
$$$👎
@@sparkysho-ze7nm, it's price competitive.
@@Josh-179 Its not even remotely price competitive. ~10k difference on a 50k car. How is that completive? I'm open to rational discussion, but curious of the mental gymnastics that is required to make that work.
areeee you sureee on the Charge Rate?? I feeeel like I have seen it on mine in the center screen... (Maybe I'm making that up)
@@bsbllclown , what are you comparing it to? All the EV performance models are between $52K & $66K. Competition is Model Y Performance, Blazer EV SS, Ioniq 5 N, & Kia EV6 GT.
19:31 I know on previous years the difference on the AWD premium and GT was that the front motor on the GT was same size as rear motor on premium, while the premium had a smaller front motor.
2:13 Kyle laying down his rules for friendship 😂
I bought the GT non-performance. I won't be expecting a Christmas card this year.
A man has got to have some standards!
I've had my mach e gt for 3 years. No issues. Still love this thing.
Looks really good in that color imo
I bought Mach-E instead of Model Y because i´ve driven both and I simply like it better. I also think it looks better, build quality feels better, I charge at home and only take 2 or 3 roadtrips in a year so public charging speed doesnt bother me :)
And you can actually get good deals on a Mach-E, Tesla never gives out deals atleast not where I live (Norway)..
I only road trip 2-3x a year and the MME's slow charging speeds bug the crap out of me. I should not have to stop every 85-100 miles to charge for 25 mins. The new charging curve would probably alleviate my worst pains but it's 2024 and the car should be getting to 80% in < 30 mins.
@@anthonyc8499 I live in a small country so a roadtrip for me is a 1 time 35-40 min charge while I grab some food for a total of around 340 miles roadtrip.
People are buying them because it's a Ford and a "Mustang" and it's not a Tesla. You don't have to be the best, you just have to be the things people don't hate.
re: "You don't have to be the best, you just have to be the things people don't hate...."
Don’t watch Kyle’s video on the new performance model 3.
It's a pretty attractive package beyond the "not Tesla" factor, as well. The Mustang Mach E was reviewed favorably upon launch.
@@shou635Oh I think you'd be an idiot to buy this over a Tesla for sure, and that's coming from someone who works with the Big 3. However there are people that value their perceived image more than a superior ownership and driving experience.
The best is most popular BEST SELLING on 3 continents
2021 Job 1 here. Remote Frunk release has been operating for me for over a year, which made the frunk usable. At first, you needed a dealer installed update and you had to flip a bit using Forscan or FDRS. Once you did that, the control showed up on the screen and the doorpost keypad worked. Some time later, FordPass control showed up. And now this has all been enabled via OTA. So it's not a "new for '24" feature.
I like the design of MachE better than the Model Y. That upfront smaller screen is a plus in the MachE. I like buttons, so for example the MachE has Homelink buttons. 99% of the time I charge at home so the fast charging infrastructure mess does not impact me as much.
As a Tesla owner, I just want to say I like to see the Mach e's rolling around. Nice looking car, and a real EV. Anything with CHADEMO is no good, and while I think eventually eency weency city cars with 150 mile range could be a thing at the right price, I don't think we have the charging situation to where I would consider them a do anything car.
@@fjalics I own a Y and a Mini Ev with the ~100 mile range. That charging plug on the mini(mach-e), OMFG. Its so comically large and heavy. How did they even go about designing that piece of garbage.
@@bsbllclown Two pins for signalling, a ground, two for AC power, and 2 big ones for DC power. I think Tesla wanted a sleeker plug, so they used the same pins for AC and DC, and built switching into it.
@@fjalics it was a rhetorical question lol.
150kW is fine for my wife and I. She loved the look and the features. We don't charge at L3 enough to care too much about the charge rate.
This is the only honest review I've seen of the MME refresh, all others have been shills for Ford's PR. Former owner of a 2021 GTPE here -- bought for the cyber orange and looks, dumped the car because of the unreliabiility. My MME completely shat its electric powertrain twice in 12k miles of normal use (they replaced defective parts with defective parts that promptly failed again), and the experience is piss poor when (not if) your Mach-E strands you. The budget for this mid-cycle upgrade was clearly spent entirely on redoing the inadequately engineered electric powertrain. But the glacial charging performance, porky weight, bad handling, slow QNX head unit, and circa-1978 experience of most Ford dealers remains. There are *thousands* of 2023 MMEs sitting on dealer lots, and I'm not sure there is any reason whatsoever to buy this refresh model (which will just have new different reliability concerns in the powertrain I bet) over getting a deal on a 2023 leftover GTPE. But really, can't see any reason to get this over your nearest EV6 GT/Ioniq 5/ GV60 Performance. MME continues to be a mediocre product.
I miss your Mach N Cheez videos! Honestly, this is what should have launched back in 2021. The 2024 MME is a fair competitor to the 2020+ Model Y Performance but the new Ioniq 5 N and forthcoming bigger pack EV6 GT are just way too good for this.
I'm not sure there will be issues with the new rear motor since it's a straight swap from Lightning. The HVBJB question is still open.
@@anthonyc8499 awwwwh thanks -- agree that it's probably less the motor itself than all the underspec'd stuff they still have around it.... thanks but I'll stick with my spicy Korean EV6.....
@@scoopman your EV6 GT looks amazing. Glad your ICCU issue was resolved. It's mind boggling that both Ford and Hyundai/Kia have similar issues and didn't learn from early Tesla experiences with this.
@@anthonyc8499 I never had an issue with my ICCU -- and the issues seemed much more rare edge cases for the eGMP cars than on the Mach-E GTs, where pretty much most of the original design was failing. But yes, some similarities in that manufacturers are learning about specifying components like these for cars at scale. One thing Ford is ahead at without question is software OTAs -- before the refresh of the Ioniq 5 / EV6, these cars cannot do OTAs for anything other than the infotainment, so my ICCU software updates involved taking the car to the dealer for a flash. Newer eGMP cars such as the EV9 have the ccNC infotainment platform that allows for the whole car to be updated, and should eliminate having to visit the dealer for such things.
@@scoopman Get out your chopsticks.
Always great and fun videos. Thanks for taking me along.
I went Mach E because it looks fantastic, and it is not Elon's business. I charge at home 98% of the time. If I'm road tripping I'm not doing it enough I care about charge performance. If it's a long enough drive I'd charge more than twice, im on a plane.
some charge stations are get congested and vehicles charging slowly adds to the congestion.
@@JD-yx7becars like ID4 and BMWs with free charging going from 90 to 100% are way more of a congestion point than Mach Es going 10-80.
Your only concern is how fast it DC charges. 90+% of the time we all charge at home so it’s irrelevant for almost all of us. Plus in most of the US chargers won’t do more than 150 anyway. The car is solid, cheap, reliable, doesn’t squeak like a Tesla, and is normal. That’s why they sell. Some of us like to tell the car when to start and stop, not have it decide when to do things. That’s my biggest complaint between my Mach E and 4wt.
The videos are so much better with a nerd both in front AND behind the camera!
Princess passengers are a plus also
The best thing about ford is that their ceo recognizes the impact Tesla has had on the car industry and some of the things they just do better. OTA and constant refreshes to cars is something Tesla pioneered. It’ll be interesting to see what they do in the future. I’m hopeful for their future products.
10-80 should be your new standard. as that is the most common charge cycle.
For me it's 50-80 every day.
And the best for battery longevity, but Lvl2 is really the ultimate charging ...for the battery health. Ford doesn't really want people fast charging these anyway.
@@cbotten106 yeah. i agree.
The start button and the PRD switch is very helpful and a real difference with Tesla.
Kyle,
"Slow old people." Really?? That ageist comment was really uncalled for. A lot of slow old people subscribe to your channels. You should be more respectful of them.
Liberal spotted wanting censorship
The software needs improvement. Route planning needs work. Tried to route me to a 49kw charger for 55 minutes in my Lightning when I had an adapter for Tesla & Supercharger option, also an EA station 15 miles before that was empty & had 350kw charging. Doesn’t make sense how it determines where to have you stop.
Why Mach-E over the Model Y? Tesla's are just boring. That's my wife's thinking anyway. She doesn't care about charge speed (never uses fast charging). She loves her Mach-E.
When you go to sell it eventually the market might value it less even if you don't care about it
@6:50 Why a Mustang Mach E...
For me it is about the styling... Yes I have been a Ford guy for years but if the product didn't meet some sort of minimum I would not get it. I have a Fusion Hybrid now and want all electric. I think the key thing is the style and performance is pretty good. But on daily commute it won't really matter much.
I do want better charging curve and more optimal performance in that regard, but I am not doing DAILY road trips. The once a month or so roadtrip is all I need it for. Plus with the future addition of the J3400 (NACS) and access to the super chargers that covers the main worry.
Also the space in the Mach E is pretty good without feeling squished. I DO want better charging performance (maybe 10%-80% in say 15 to 20 minutes) but it won't be an every day issue for me.
6:44 - A: the exterior design...🤙 i mean just LOOK AT IT, even here in 2024 (ie, 4 years on from the debut) the classic "curvy" Bri'ish/'Talian styling still looks fresh. one is extremely hard-pressed to say that about the stale AF Model Y and 3.
Ioniq 5 is a design icon for me, have one in the neighborhood in white. 👍
The N version must be crazy! 🤯
# 1 # 2 Europe USA
As someone who has just started looking at EV ownership the last few months, fast charging performance is like 10th on my list of “stuff I care about”.
If you can charge at home/work it does become less of an issue. But if you have to use the public chargers and charge regularly, its something you do have to think about. It's not just charge speed/time, you also have to account for how long you have to wait to even be able to charge. Of course tesla opening their chargers up will help, but until then, it sucks having to wait an hour for a charge to open up.
You're not supposed to primarily fast charge the Mach-E. Read the owner's manual.
If you don't have any alternative it may mean an EV (or this EV) isn't right for you.
@henry17403 I'm not a mach e owner so i wouldn't have known about that. Is that the case for all EVs though? Doesn't seem idea to get rid of a pretty good sized part of a potential customer base
@@sungbaek3526 Well, there's also the point that fast chargers have not yet become common enough in all areas that there's real price competition. Here in PA, DC fast chargers I've had to use (before I got a home charger) are about 58 cents per kilowatt hour, which is more expensive than putting gas into an efficient ICE or hybrid car.
EVs are not yet necessarily the best, most cost effective solution for all owners. If you can't charge at home or at work, it might not be the cheapest way to drive.
@Timmayytoo I think your comment is spot on. At the end of the video, the "list of things the Mach E does worst" are likely to be quite low on the list of traits that the average EV buyer is looking for or considers significant.
I would recommend buying a leftover 2023 if your local dealer has them, we got a 10500 lease bonus on a new 2023 Premium AWD earlier this year. Even better than the tax credit. We absolutely love it. Drove the Model Y and bought our Mach-E instead. We will probably buy it out at the end of the lease, with the lease credit and a $3000 dealer discount, the buyout is very reasonable, in the upper teens.
We have taken it on a road trip and the charging didn't seem that bad to me, I'm not some cannonball-er looking for absolute minimum charging stops. On at least half of our stops, the car was up to 80% before we were done doing what we were doing with eating or going to the restroom, so forth. Only when ABRP recommended charging to 93%, was it pretty slow. I actually pulled off at 88% and we made it to our next charging stop just fine with a higher percentage than ABRP thought we would have.
I will probably be more aggressive at keeping it at a lower arrival state of charge next trip, because you get 120-140 more consistently when the battery is pretty empty. It starts declining to 80kw after a while in the mid percentage wise. I just don't know if I'm ready to aim for 0% like these guys do on their trips.
Aesthetics.
good review guys! nice to see some duvall shots! been up there in my UPS truck many times haha
The charging speed for the Ioniq 5 2024 is amazing even at a 150kw charger. I went from 20-80% in 17 minutes at one. Shocked the hell out of me. EA in New Rochelle.
Where the Mach-E has you beat is on Supercharger access and speeds. Even if you could use the adapter, you can't break 100kW. In the big battery RWD car, that might be able to knock out some big miles in a day. The GT will still suffer though.
@@anthonyc8499 I charge at home anyway. I don't really care that much. I just wanted to say that I thought the charging was great not compete.
@@MrTekniqs yup, I charge at home almost exclusively. But when I need to charge away from the house, it needs to be super fast and reliable. I’m glad I have supercharger access. I wish I had your 800v speeds or even the new 2024 charge curve. As it is, the Hyundai and Kias suffer a bit right now on Superchargers with no access and 97kW if you can charge on magic dock
@@anthonyc8499 at a 350kw I went from 19 to 80% in 15 mins
@@MrTekniqs 15 mins charging stops for 200 miles of range is the dream. The bigger pack on the latest Ioniq 5 really helps in the future. It’s a bummer that there’s no mention of faster charging on 400v chargers.
I have this same 2024 GT with performance, just without the bronze package. I got mine, because it's a BEAUTIFUL VEHICLE and is made really well. All it's missing, in my opinion, is being able to watch a live video of your car through its cameras when away from it, like a Tesla..
I hope that they reduced their huge mess of thermal pipes.
Every single one a possible point of failure.
Exactly!
@@mitchellbarnow1709Ah, yes. I remember the time Munro reviewed the guts of the Mach-E. Poor guy fainted from all the tubes, lol.😂
I'm sure that's on their roadmap.
@@TheReal_JGOnly letting him smell the octovalve could bring him back to life! 😅
That said, VW is working on an integrated solution, too. I wonder in which car it will premiere.
To me, I just never liked the look of the Mach E. but I agree that Green Color looks absolutely awesome.
Shoulda renamed it the Thunderbird and maybe people would stop trashing it for not being an ICE mustang.
I’ve thought that as well.
To answer your question about why the Mach-E, it's the mix of things. Styling, driving dynamics, approachable tech, build quality, and community. My wife and I both have Mach-Es. They aren't the fastest charging or have the most cargo capacity. But it's really not missing anything. It puts a smile on our faces and charges just fast enough to not be annoying on the occasional road trip. Now with the NACS adapter the trade offs seem minimal for what is arguably a better looking car that drives like a Mustang!