PIA: A Socialist Solution
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ธ.ค. 2022
- Why has PIA making a loss and what can be done to revive the national carrier.
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Kia baat hai, zabardast analysis correct analysis. دریا کو کوزے میں بند کر دیا ۔ صحیح باتیں کی ہیں
Corrupt politicians destroyed PIA, Steel mill, PTV, Radio pak. Etc etc etc...... . All Govt failed to build new Railways lines or railway stations. Still we are using 1856 railways line and railways stations of British monument
MASHALLAH
great people to fly with Pia
اگر تمام اداروں کی اسطرح کیس اسڈاڈے کی جاۓ ممکن ہے لوپحولز سامنے آجاینگے مستقبل قریب میں فروفیٹیبل عوامی ادارے ہوجایینگے
Sir, I appreciate your efforts in making Pakistan more visible for an average citizen like me.
You forgot to mention the unprofessional and arrogant behaviour of PIA employees and the efficiency of Emirates
Good human resources also go where there is capital.
Oho, paaji dil jeet lete ho, ek hi dil hai, kitni baar jeetoge
Excellent Sir , to discuss issue from different angle not using the traditional angle.
I visited the revenue department of PIA to get a refund of my web ticket to Toronto. While the refund was being processed, I asked for mobile phone charger from 3 different employees as a favor who didn't had a charger so I moved on. Then I saw a 4th PIA employee having charger cable plugged into his computer. When I asked that employee if I can charge my phone. He rejected my request in taunting manner. When I told him not to taunt like that, he stood up as if to attack me. I grabbed his collar to defend myself. Suddenly almost 25 other PIA employees started beating me. They tried to snatch my documents and my passport barely survived the snatching attempt. Then they took me to supervisor's room and slapped me there in presence of the supervisor to which the supervisor objected but the supervisor kept trying to convince me that I was wrong and tried to alter the details of the interaction but I refused to admit their version so they gave up and asked security to walk me out of the building. Security staff told me that they are also upset with the PIA staff and encouraged me to submit an incident report, which I did. I know for a fact that nothing will change and no action will be taken. I'm only bringing the complaint on record to warn other passengers to take extreme caution for their own safety when dealing with PIA.
Incident Date: Jan 06, 2021
Incident Time: 03:00 PM
Incident Location: Inside PIA Revenue office building near old Karachi Airport Off Star gate
the problem and the solution is not as easy as Mr Taimur claimed in this video. I can totally understand, what really happened with you. It is because of wadera culture of Pakistan. In karachi PIA departments, more and more incompetent Sindhi people have been hired for years and now they are eating PIA like rats. So, such kind of behaviour from employees from any government sector is normal, even in private sector one can encounter such incidents. The problem is very deep rooted in our system but there is a solution and if solution employed then it may take couple of decades to show the output. All we can do is invest in the upcoming generation at primary school level.
Asy zulm dekh kr mjhy bht ghusa Ata h lkn me Kch kr bh nh skta bahi AP Kitna truama sey guzry hugy :( or abhi bhi still huga Allah Khair kry
@@discoverywithjaffery Thanks for your kind words. Please read about "Wing Commander Kamran Anjum" and you will realize who is getting the top jobs in PIA and how those top jobs are protected. The PIA employee who taunted me was a team lead and had a gun.
@@saeedahmed1177 Thanks for your kind words. Yes, it was very traumatizing for me. Due to the beating I felt pain for several months. But the scars on my soul will stay forever. I don't live in Pakistan so I had no idea that it had become so dangerous.
Taimur sb with all due respect I have myself worked in PIA for 10 years (1994 till 2004) and know the problems that PIA is facing. I don’t think I agree with your assessment regarding PIA that restricting the open-skies and allowing it to expand would fulfil PIA’s dream. There’s a lot of issues with PIA including but not limited to over-employment, lack of professionalism/expertise etc. in almost all the departments of the airline. Then the government’s action to point out the irregularities in pilot’s program was the last nail in the coffin of PIA that banned it from flying to Europe. So just restricting the open-skies policy wouldn’t be of any good to PIA. Such restrictive policies wouldn’t have any practical effect on the fate of PIA imho. I think (for a long time now) that PIA is a gone case and the govt should let it fall instead of keep putting money into it but I understand that it may be difficult for them to do it politically. So that’s why we’re continually going down the drain like we’re in most of the other domains.
Hmm. Indeed you would be having better visibility on the issues of PIA because you worked there , however looking at what taimur sb was saying , what killed the profitability of PIA was the open skies agreement .
And then perhaps one thing led to the other in sort of a domino styled effect , and here we are decades later in a state of near total failure .
Don't you think if the policy which kick started the demise of the institution , is removed ; that it would have beneficial effects? . Perhaps the issues you point out are also in one way or another , related to the lack of money PIA has because of open skies .
For example as you point out , lack of professionalism . Maybe we can also regard this as a consequence of the fact that PIA just didn't have enough money to hire experts to guide the staff to professional etiquettes
@@codingCouncil Open skies doesn’t kill the profitability but rather encourages you to maximise your profits by doing the same work in a much more efficient manner. You can’t stay in the past always and have to move ahead with changing times like all other airlines are doing. If we keep living in the past as a country or as an airline and keep expecting that our customers would also continue to do so then I believe this is where we will end up.
Thank you for your valuable feedback. I have not merely spoken about open skies policy but about the entire IATA proposal. Which I’ve read and in my opinion is excellent.
@@hamoodalam that would be fine if gov of Pakistan could provide the resources to PIA to compete with Emirates etc. average age of a PIA plane is 14.5 years. How can PIA compete without upgrading its physical and Human Resources. Simply not possible
Very true
This is first time I knew that what happened to PIA . Thank you
Pakistan must allow tourists visa to Indians. Just imagine 1 million Indians visiting Pakistan annually will create jobs and self employment within Pakistan and also Indian tourists spending in Pakistan will boost forex reserves of Pakistan and also stabilize Pakistan currency.
Nahi chahiye induans ke paise BHAGO YAHAN SE
@@alkaagarwal9998
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you can visit bro to katarpur
Great speech sir. Can you please share pre 1990 profit/loss reports from PIA. Also was PIA a tier 2 airline when it was created or it become tier 2 post 1992? When you pointed out the outsourcing does not reflect profitability, does that also imply that it is less efficient as well. We have seen the safety history of PIA as well. Probably the most accidents by any international airline per fleet size. Most safest airline are those whose services are outsources because a company designed for a certain function will strive for better results. Certainly outsource or privatisation is not the only/complete solution but with the current model, PIA is not going forward even if the Open Sky policy changes.
Good effort 👍 thanks for it my dear bro
Thanks, Taimur sahab. 40 PIA staff getting salaries equivalent to 1 staff salary in good foreign airlines😊😊😊😊😊
Great 🎉
One corrections on air India govt didnt take full debt around 15000cr were give talace a tata company but yes most of debt is with govt
Thank you Sir for your efforts, please make such video on steel mill too.
Thank you Taimur Sahab for this video and explaining why employee to aircraft ratio is not a good metric to compare PIA with its competitors.
I watched your podcast with Syed Muzammil Hasan Zaidi where you said that we need an expansionary fiscal policy to put Pakistan on the track of growth and development. I went through your channel and found two videos (series) on Economic Crisis, Role of Banks and Modern Monetary Theory. I couldn't find the third part of the series.
Kindly explain how Pakistan can use MMT to achieve economic progress especially when we are not a monetary sovereign government (as per the criteria laid by Stephanie Kelton in her book The Deficiti Myth) with almost $130 billion in external debt. Please also focus on how would we able to manage the exchange rate depreciation given the rise in aggregate demand through fiscal stimulus would automatically lead to higher imports of raw materials and machinery. And what are the ways in which we can raise money to finance these foreign exchange outflows?
Thank you.
Thanks comrade.
At 14:25, the loss decreased subsequently for 2 years after downsizing in 2017.
That's a very nice presentation, do send it to Syed Muzamil, he was talking about privatization. And he pushed you, even when you told him you didn't know much about it.😅
I hope he would now have the answer for the solution of leftist for the PIA problem.
Thank you so much, sir..
It is my request that kindly make a video on RAILWAY Too, and inform us what agreement led to the failure of the railway. Because as far as I know, there are only few private trains, I am unable to understand how capitalists have destroyed railway.... thanks
Why people prefer to fly with foreign airlines.there must-be a reason.
These are also state owned enterprises from oil rich countries. Whereas there is no significant investment in upgrading PIA. Average age of PIA plane is 15 years old.
@@Taimur_Laal They are applying market capture cheap ticket and better product and once they are only one left they become monopoly
Assalamualaikum sir. Here we assistance in CSS exam 23. From Balochistan.
Learn shear's in hard time sounds respect Way thank you
Your point of view and research is truly admirable, however, in today's world, if one organization cannot compete on pricing while remaining profitable, it means that organization is downright inefficient and draining national resources - my take would be to either privatize it or if not, then establish KPI's to evaluate employee and organizational performance while eliminating inefficient processes and people by department. That is the only way to make national and loss making organizations profitable.
Behtreen analysis 👍
Correct Analysis
Very informative 👍
Greetings..
Sir can you please suggest a good book which clears the in-depth concept like capitalism, socialism, nationalism etc ?
Good effort comrade..
Well explained.. ❤️❤️ Appreciate Your Work...
After 25 years , Now I m realizing that current Pakistan is result of Failed policies....
If I m pm of pakistan all pakistan will be heaven in 9 days,with mercs and audio for all
Muzdor k to AP favour ker rahe h but passengers ka khayal bhi rakhe
Great insights, Professor sb. However, you need to back your claim that outsourcing does not enhance productivity and profitability with more studies. We see outsourcing in many industries (the software industry is at the top), and there is a need to investigate its holistic impact scientifically. For example, when we say that PIA's productivity/profit went down from the 90s, we need to see if there are confounding variables (e.g., corruption) hampering the performance
I agree. The study I quoted is only in relation to aviation. Not all industries.
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my comment. I think even for the aviation industry, there is a need to quote more studies. There will likely be many more studies on this topic. How many of them reached that conclusion (outsourcing had negatively impacted the industry)? What were these studies' quality (the quality of their research methodologies)? Dr. Sb! This is just an academic debate and I am an academic.
@@yasarmehmood4055 If labour laws are implemented properly, Contractors implement minimum wage policy, Health insurance implemented for the employees of contractors, Contractors allow their employees to be part of labour unions, Pension schemes or Provident Fund Schemes should be prequalification for contractors then there is no problem in outsoutcing.
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Sir 457b plan was not IATA related
Brother! They want their airline/Indus/Air blue successfull. They have nothing to do with country & it's depts. for them "PIA WILL GROW DO WHAT YOU CAN "
After 32 years served in pia / short answer, look in to your own color / you will come to know who crudhed and crushing pia/ please correct your KIRDAR (BEHAVE) not in pia also in other field of life, if i explain what done and what is going on in pia now , RESULT WILL BE,( come cow and kill me) ( AA BAIL MUJAY MAR ) wali bat hogi.. Dua go for pia Allah pak pia may kam karnay walon ko hidayat farmaye aur un ki paryshanyon ko door farmaye aameen.
Sir little bit disagree with your opinion, in this case ok open sky policy is the major issue.
what we done with Pakistan post?
Railways?
Steel mils?
Govt. schools,
hospitals
Police.
bas 1 DHA waly e aagay ja rahy hain. baqion ka kia msla ha ?
If open skies policy was the main reason than why Shaheen and AIrblue captured PIA market share? These airlines are also Pakistani airlines and started long after PIA.
People didn’t shifted to other airlines because of open skies policy. Ask anyone who doesn’t prefer PIA over other airline not even a single person would say that open skies policy was the reason why they prefer other airlines. If PIA would have provided better quality and services at a good price why would anyone prefer any other Airline where they have to pay more money and wait hours for connecting flights.
People moved to Emirates and other airlines because of better services and peace of mind.
Appreciate your efforts sir, truly amazing video.
There should be trade relations and tourism with India, even these things may go during the war (Allah na kari) times. Similarly, there be fair elections in Afghanistan and hence an international recognized government there, and then there will be trade relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan. We stand by the labor class and we should protect their rights and Islam also support this class. Pakistan Zindabad!
Our region (South Asia) will never experience true growth until we don't solve our problems.
Same Europeans that almost eradicated one another a mere 70 years ago are now ready to fight for one another.
I get your reasoning here from a business perspective your case makes sense. But Pakistan is a very unique scenario. I interned at PIA, the guys hired there are lazy and may be not even qualified; most of those guys were gifted jobs from PPP basically political hiring (ppp did the same thing with Sui gas get people hired when they come in power). Hence there may be a need to weed out the useless guys and rehire appropriate qualified staff.
I worked at KE after it got privatized, even though the new management are totally profit oriented and screw over the general public to make that profit but there was a general labour force issue there as well- at the management side we had alot of engineers etc who were not qualified but hired beacuse they spoke a certain language. The labour guys as well , the drivers etc all were corrupt and didn't really function like a workforce is supposed too. The entire old workforce management plus labour were involved in corrupt practices, Bribery and were political hooligans (you could not give them orders to have something done or they would literally beat you up or worse even kill you)
So I get your general perspective about labour and unions etc, but what's the solution when an organization has had decades of corruption and incompetent political hiring? Doesn't that mandate a workforce restructure with qualified people?
Sincerely and very much agree with Dr. Taimur Rahman. In India Tata Game(acq of Air India) was played politically. Employee reduction anywhere is not a good solution. This game in India is played by cunning politicians and crony businesses to control national resources like telecom licenses, mineral resources etc.
PHOOT HARAMZADE
Sir why PIA planes are always late
Just because of government job mentality ( ager Kam kerna h to government job q karo)
Sir it never work
When one does not get services for what he pays for then why should he travel and suffer for 20 plus hours in a PIA third rate aircraft.
Who will ask for Job? Politics?
Darling over many people's no job's why's we gives away?
Iron steel mills Pvt LTD going up but government steel mills lost
Itfaq industry even Arb investment it's ok but why not govmt
surkh salamunas comrade
India has restricted open skies
Pakistan open sky policies
Then why india is at loss also?
Pakistan not outsourcing yet other airlines outsourcing and are profitable
Why not pia profitable?
It's all because of nepotism
Other things are secondary
*yes pia should be direct flights with more planes should be inducted
And our govt employees and other business trips sponsored by govt should only be by PIA
2 people's work as 1bprson
first!
Nice content, I really appreciate the research; but here again I think it's more a matter of accountability, competency and management rather than Socialism and Capitalism.
Such awful agreements like Reko Diq arise from political instability and decentralized administration which Pakistan is definitely facing. You don't need to be a Tanki nor Boujva to know how put money in pocket, it just takes some simple sense. There is no comrade running Gulf states, just imperialist Sheikhs who know how to make cash.
Please understand. They have oil. That is their main blessing and curse.
@@Taimur_Laal Yes you are right but again it comes back to management crises. I went to Iraq this year which is third largest producer of oil and and yet there exists massive corruption, poverty and underdevelopment due to obvious political chaos.
Even we have a lot to offer to the world. We are rich in agriculture, labor, metals and minerals. Unless we don't organize and stabilize our management such idiotic agreements will again occur.
Half true, Serves no purpose, They should be kicked out of PIA who were stuffed in by PPP, think about the people of this country who are paying for their stupidity,
My suggestion is Pakistan must start IT outsourcing as it can earn forex reserves by effective use of its skilled workforce.
India not only earns USD 200 Bn annually from IT services exports and outsourcing to US and Europe but also creates jobs for nearly 50 Million skilled workforce in IT outsourcing.
@@maheshsoni5051 you’re lucky your military doesn’t intervene and political leadership is visionary recently India banned import of drones till 2025 to start indigenous industry
Zyada employees masla NAHI.pia employees ka kaam na Karna, corruption ki intiha kardi hai. Har aik employee pia ko loot Raha hai.yani jis shakh pe bete hai.usi ko kaat Rahe.....
Mahir Nathan
Mashallah very well elaborated.
Sir kindly share a video on oil reserves available in Pakistan?
As we listen from different sources that Pakistan had some sort of agreements with Iran to not produce oil in Baluchistan region, is it true or false?
In case If we have enough oil reserves in Baluchistan region then why we are not producing oil 🛢️ for whole country?
So we get rid of this debt trap..
Factors you pointed out are real but your analysis is a little problematic. I think this is an old event since it features Shaheen air as well which is now defunct.
I'm not sure about your aviation background but the issues with PIA are a result of political interference in the decision-making. Your own presentation points towards the relative success of Airblue which is a Pakistani but private airline. If they can be successful, why can't PIA do the same? They're also affected by the same govt policies. This is a long debate.
Molvi is Big problem nath Pani chahay
Taimur I fully agree with you. World’s only solution is socialism, if we really want humanity and equality.
It is but states always end up collapsing
Professor , I appreciate your effort but I belive firmly that you misled people by giving false analogies and let me explain what are the real issues regarding the PIA and all likes public sector organizations in Pakistan as I too was one of the employee in a public sector organization.
1. Employees in public sector organizations are actually very lazy, inefficient, ill-trained and I would say ill-mannered also , so for example if there is a need of one employee in a public sector organization , Goverment hires on the average 5 people on that slot because of politics and cronyism and that is the case in PIA, Railways and Steel Mills and I would suggest you to please conduct a survey and see how many relatives an average person has in a public sector organization and believe me you will bang your head on door several times.
2. Almost 100% of the Airline industries over the world earn their income from tourism and that is why Airlines in Thailand , Malaysia and Turkey offer many packages to their customers . For example , Many of such airlines give you on arrival VISA and cheaper hotel rates and many more packages. So, tourism is a key to the revenue of Air travel , So what you think based on Pakistan profile , where a day is not passed that you do no hear some news of suicide bomb blast and other terror related activities in Pakistan. Do you really think people will come to Paksitan for toursim and I will recommend you to read story on the "Nanga Parbat Massacre" by Taliban where a dozen tourists were mercilessly killed by Taliban . If we cannot give even security to foreigners who want to spend like 5000 USD to come to visit Northern Areas of Pakistan then who will ever think of coming to Pakistan in the first place let alone giving foreigners some entertainment.
3. World has now a strong reservations on the standards of Pakistani pilots and their training because a recent explosive news about the fake licenses of Pakistani pilots did a very bad job in hurting the reputations of Pakistani pilots and Pakistani Airlines. Many countries in Europe cancelled the license of PIA and even banned PIA from flying to their airports sir.
4. Quality and maintenance services of Pakistani Airlines is also a big question mark and now even the local Pakistanis DONOT want to travel using the PIA and I assure you 100% if there are two options of travelling using a PIA cheaper rates and any other International airlines which is a bit expensive then even Pakistanis will prefer International airlines due to safey and reliability issues. Sir PIA is not even reliable as many times they cancel their flights and people have even lost their luggages after using PIA .
5. The attitude of the PIA staff is also rude many a times, I have seen staff poorly clothed, fat airhostess aunties , beard airhostess men with big bellies , torn off seats of PIA , poor management of the passengers' luggage and many times believe me fragile things in the luggage gets either broken are or secretly stolen by the employees because they have master keys of various bags. So even the luggage of the passengers is not safe on Pakistani Airports sir. Lastly, the food offered by the PIA on the flight is also very bad, it somes times give smells , sometimes too cold to eat , people have seen rats and cockroaches inside the PIA planes and most importantly sir many a times the Air Conditioning of the PIA planes gets broken sometimes and there are videos on youtube sir that you can watch.
I am deeply disappointed by your dishonest and poor analysis Dr. Taimur as I thought you always give priority to reason and faithfil analysis over blind faith and propoganda. So please , next time correct yourself and research well on this topic sir.
Politics mattes some lazy work
You criticized Indian government for bailing out debts and selling Indian Airlines & Air India to TATA (which originally used to belong to TATA though) & asking Pakistani government to do EXATLY the same with PIA!
If I can afford Emirate ticket and choose for Air India in the same price, I will expect the service equivalent. Now, they are providing. People are using.
Or else you need to inculcate nationalism in such a level among the citizen when one statement against PM resulting a nose dive of tourism in Maldives. Tour operators stopped, individuals cancelled tickets, airlines made full refund after two derogatory tweets from Maldivian MP / Minister. Can you?
Isn't it high time to give away India obsession of Pakistani intellectuals, administration? Think Pakistan. Be Pakistani. Make PIA profitable.
Over Bharti
Bata bati selling self u don't know? Karma g
in short your socialist solution is that there should be no competition. so that PIA can offer nothing and don't need to improve its service but can earn profit. If People are using emirates or qatar airways and not using PIA then it means they have more to offer than PIA. Why PIA failed to compete with rest of airlines this is a big question. I totally disagree with your analysis. You are just saying that ban all airlines so that PIA can earn profit. Dear Prof, this is not how it works. PIA needs to improve its service and compete with rest.and for ur kind info, air india also failed despite of their restricting open sky policy, why because they have same poor governance structure like pak.
Doing The same lazy g
G look More jobs
please litle bit less lies