A look at early Sikh traditions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- Have you ever wondered why there are so many different forms of practicing Sikhi today? Many Jathebandia, sampardas, ideologies, rehit-maryadas, and schools of thought exist and it can be quite difficult to make sense of it all. Where did they all stem from? What are the true origins of the Nihangs, SGPC, Damdami Taksal, Nanaksar, the Akhand Kirtani Jatha and other Sants and Deras?
Which strand of Sikh thought most fits your world view?
This episode explores the Sikh landscape of the 18th century, and maps the most significant strands and consequential bodies which existed amongst the Khalsa and the Khulasaa, during the height of Sikh rule.
We will be covering all of the schismatic groups which broke away from Khalsa norms, including the Jit-malias and the Bandai Khalsa. We will also be covering true origins of the early sects including the Akali-Nihangs, Gianis, Guru-lineages (of the Bedis and the Sodhis), Nanakpanthis, Nirmalas, Sevapanthis, Udasis, and Dhirmalia’s.
Our narrative and exploration of each sect will be interwoven with a newly created map of the Sikh universe, and we will compare modern denominations with historical philosophies and practices.
#sikhhistory #history #sikh
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
01:21 Sikhi Mapped
03:14 Part 1 Bandai Khalsa
08:57 Part 2 The Jit-Malias
10:00 Part 3 The pre-colonial Khalsa
15:39 Part 4 The Akali Nihungs
23:18 Part 5 The Giani Tradition
26:25 Part 6 The Guru Lineages
30:15 Part 7 The Udassi
36:58 Part 8 The Nanak-Panthis
40:34 Part 9 The Nirmalas
46:17 Part 10 The Sevapanthis
50:24 End credits
Please let us know which future videos you would like to see too! We are open to taking suggestions.
You can share video on Sikh misls
Giania Samparda and their relation to Taksal and Nirmalas
Video on 1984
Historicity and prevalence of Dasam Granth in 1700-1800 (I have heard conflicting views on how the organisation for example some say the Bania were complied later rejecting the older birs etc I believe in DG tho)
In depth look at the Nihangs their history, their jathedars, their maryada, the different dals growth, battles, key figures, traditions & the history of them & the akal takht etc & being the panjva takht etc as well as their modern struggle with the sgpc & their history of akaal sena misls & dals from the very start of their being to the modern day, history of shaheedi degh, jatkha, their relationship with Sri Dasam Granth & Sri Sarbloh Granth 🙏🏽
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Thank you! We hope you enjoyed it!
Someone with an objective and analytical brain without an agenda. Breath of fresh air and much needed.
One can only surmise the amount of research and time that went into this documentary. Beautifully executed and compiled. This is an absolute gem for the Sikh community and for scholars alike. Wishing you the best of luck for your future projects 🙏🏽💐
Thanks Bhai Supreet Singh!
Wow. Ever since becoming a mom I don't have time for my Sikh history books anymore. Thank you. This is so well researched and done. What an amazing sewa
Many thanks!
You know it’s a great day when there’s an upload
Many thanks! Hope you enjoyed it!
Very glad to have chanced upon this video today. There is a lack of two things today: impartial Sikh historians and sharing with the masses. Kudos to you!
Thanks for the kind words
Since im coming into sikhi this very helpfull
I am lost for words! Thank you Waheguru
Great work 🙏
Been waiting for a video like this for a long time
There is so much diversity and nuance in our rich Sikh history that seems to get overlooked these days, thank you for spending your time to dig up and bring to light such a vibrant tapestry of the Sikh tradition. We really need to understand our past evolution if we are to improve our future as a Panth today.
Great video demonstration Teachings about sikhizem vary vary inportante Tank's for this video, happy new years to all Barathi, and brothers and sisters family's family's sikh, From Africa ilands of Mauritius
Gained a lot of knowledge from the video. Appreciate the time and research that was put into this.
Please continue to make more.
@KhalsaNama ji -
This is one of the most informative and a clean video that I have come across on Sikh tradition and sects within, in periphery of it.
Huge thanks for this. Please continue this great work. I will share this video with other Sikhs and all who are interested or could be interested in Sikhi.
Thank you ji.
ੴ ਇਕਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਜਾਂ ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਸ਼ੁਕਰ ਹੈ, ਕਿ these sterling monumental research documentary serials have been produced by you, which would become authentic sources for the future prospectors of the evolution of the Sachiaras,
।।ਆਦੇਸ ਤਿਸੇ ਆਦੇਸ।।
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Thanks for sharing so much of information. Another well researched and presented episode, proud of the production team of Khalsa Nama.
This is amazing!!!! Keep up the work veer ji 🙏🏽
Thank you! Always a joy to see a balanced well researched viewpoint backed by facts. I found this most refreshing and better understanding present conflicts amongst Sikhs due to ignorance or blindly accepting a one sided view pushed by pseudo self- proclaimed scholars.🙏
Thank you for your seva putting these videos together so well. Refreshingly objective and analytical, it paints a picture of great diversity in thought and practice amongst the Sikh panth. It’s sad we argue amongst ourselves what is the right way or wrong way to believe and worship but such is human nature.
Thanks so much for making this , very nice to learn this
Another amazing video. So well researched and presented with clarity and impartiality. Excellent job!
Thank you Sath-Paal! We really enjoy your seva with Nanak Naam!
Well done bro this is needed this mindset of research and excellence should be done by sikh authorities ਬਾਬਾ ਭਲੀ ਕਰੇ
Amazing work. Thank you for making this available to the masses.
Brilliant video. I have made a few poor attempts over the years to categorize all sampardas, jathebandis, traditions, into one chart, you have done so very well! I find the modern academic historiography to be different than traditional Sikh claims (Damdami Taksal, Budha Dal, etc. claim lineage back to Guru Gobind Singh ji). If I am honest, although the facts may align more with this modern scholarly view, I am partial towards the traditional claims.
This is perfectly researched & very professional, keep up the great work this will educate many people on Sikh history never stop doing this 🙏🏽
Thank you for your kind words
I happened to chance upon this video in the morning and couldn't be more thankful. I seriously look forward to more of your content and research, hope you would be given the ability to do this sewa on a much more regular basis.
Really nice of you, thank you
Amazing video with great factual information about different groups of sikhs and how sikhi has been influenced by the udassis and nirmalas/ vedic interpretations. With new breakthroughs of sikhi through people like professor sahib singh we can see what sikhi is really about instead of looking at it through the indic tradition.
Wow. Edifying, entertaining, and brave. Thank you for sharing 🙏
I’m very intrigued by the Seva panthis, I haven’t turned up much in my research in the past. I’d be interested to know where I could learn more about
Wonderful video Khalsa Ji
Really respect the work and research you're doing. Akaal sahai.
One thing I noted which isn’t clear is the separation of the Kuka/Namdhari as originally Khalsa and then relegated to an offshoot. From Giani Gian Singh’s account and other sources we see that many didn’t recognise the Kuka Singhs as Sikh to begin with by sending Hukamname out that all Namdhari’s read a Muslim Kalam and are not Sikh which is refuted by a later reply sent from Rangoon and by Giani Giaan Singh Jis account in their Panth Prakash first edition, in later editions most of the original 28 Kabits about the Namdhari Panth are removed.
Please do a project on what the gurus were like in reality 🙏
Really great video only just discovered your channel keep up the work!
Keep up with the good work. Appreciate
Great info
Thank you for putting this together.
Another great video providing further historical insight into such vast topic
We need this in punjabi as well 👍🏽
great work looking forward to more
Eye-opening research material of forgotten times. Kudos to the team.
I do suggest that the team identify themselves and organization (if any) to lend more credibility and promote accountability
Brilliantly researched and presented in a lucid style. Thank you so much for creating these series.
This is video was excellent and brilliantly done. Much appreciated.
Would love to have that mind map as well pf the sampardai at some point. Great visualisation.
it's in our dropbox on the new video :)
Love the vids ❤🙏🏽👍🏽
Very well researched. Enjoyed listening to the episode.
Brilliant 🙏🙏
Looking forward to your next video. The ignorant people are everywhere promoting all sorts of false messages and by learning more about Sikh history, it helps with being able to deflect false narratives.
thank you
Been waiting for a new video Singho!
Very thought provoking videos!
Thank you! Hope you enjoyed it!
Great video
Interesting facts
Thank you
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Awesome video. Keep up the great work.
Great video, much to learn.
Good job
Keep it up
Keep these videos coming man
do more ,,, or even a English full commentary of the Sarbloh Granth
Great work
Well done bro !
Keep up the great work
Thank you!
But stll very nicely pres3nted kep it up brother
Great video!
Thank you!
This is brilliant work, keep it up!
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Thank you! Keep up the great work with your channel too!
@@KhalsaNamaappreciate the kind words, would love to host you guys on a podcast or collaborate anyway we could.
Beautiful katha. You didnt mention panjva takht belongs to budah dal. ❤
Waheguru
SGPC was and still front organization of the intelligence bureau
akali nihung kaur singh ji was from my pind
Firstly a huge credit goes to this bhai sahib for creating this educational video, although there are some things which are not correct or need to be checked properly however majority of the things mentioned are quite significant and valuable.
What I have learnt after watching this video is that none of the Sikhs, groups or jathebandiyaa actually followed the actual teaching of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, everyone tried to start their own cult whether it's been Udaasi, Nirmale and others and implemented their own teaching or code of conducts. And still today, there are so many deras, groups and organisations in India who still don't actually follow what Guru Granth Sahib Ji' says, they only follow what their sampardayi jithebandiyaa wants them to do or what their predecessor did!
This is not what I took away from this video. Take a step back and look at it in a wider context. It appears for whatever reason groups and schools of thought have existed as long as Sikhi itself has existed. Guru Ram Das appears to have maintained good relations with Bab Siri Chand even though they are doing something completely different that what was Gurmat. It's like what Giani Sant Singh Maskeen said- give 100 ppl Gurbani and you will have 100 interpretations of Sikhi. Maybe the Gurus knew that schisms are inevitable so instead they create the Khalsa to help find compromises and maintain some degree of unity. These groups are an amalgamation of popular interpretation, traditions and histroy. I personally do not accept any group that claims they are correct AND claims others are wrong. Its more of this interpretation of is better than this etc.
@@x-s6002 I think this is where we lose our focus when instead of concentrating on specific things we ignore them and look at the wider contexts. Wider contexts are not useful if it has no relevance! Anyone is welcome in Guru's place whether if it Sri Chand or Akbar! It doesn't make Sri Chand or Akabar bigger or lesser if they have maintained good relations! Now the majority of the stories that we hear today are from Suraj Parakash Granth and I am sure if you are interested in Sikh philosophy and history you might have read them! There is a lot of false written about guru ji's personalties and characters and yet sikhs instead of questioning it the authenticity of the writer's work we just bow down and listen to it!
Now regarding Maskeen ji, of course, he was a great katha vachak but this doesn't mean whatever he said is 100% correct and you should believe it, as you have mentioned Maskeen ji I am sure you have heard his katha's and in his katha's Maskeen ji mentioned several times that during my katha there souls (Aatmas) who come and listen to my katha, no one can see them only I can! Is this a gurmaat or manmaat?
The groups or jathebandiyaa are useless if they are not preaching what the Guru ji has said, not what the jathebandiyaan's babe have said! When they forget the Guru's teaching, then they start to implement their own teachings or code of conduct! That's why today each jathebandiya has thier own code of conduct, no one likes to follow each other's code of conduct! I am sure you know, none of the jatheybandiyaa likes each other, they just say, our jahebandi is started from this guru, guru gave our jathebandi the mission to preach sikhism etc etc!! You can see for yourself that, all of so-called jathebandiyaa are RSS puppets whether its Damdami Taksal or whatever the other jathebandiyaa! You can search the images of their leaders on google.
This is why I think you should not look at the wider context, always look at what's right and wrong! I never said this video is 100% wrong, I said there is good stuff and some of the stuff needs to be checked thoroughly! I hope it makes sense! dhanwaad!! 🙏
@@BhupinderSingh-eb3qv The Maskeen ji quote was to explain why your statement of "true" teachings of Gurbani is meaningless. You have misunderstood and assume I was using him as a figure of authority. You keep saying that various groups are not true to Guru Granth Sahib. Someone can just as easily make that argument about you and whatever you think is true. Can you give a specific example of what "they" got wrong and you got right? If someone said I refuse to eat butter on bread because Gurbani says it will cause pain is that a correct interpretation? Who is to say, and who get to decide? Groups are just manifestations of popular interpretations of this religion.
The belief that Suraj Prakash has portrayed the Gurus personalities incorrectly is a wildly subjective statement. That text is not 100% correct sure, but the fact that it was received with honors at the Akal Takht and became so popular and remains so popular speaks for itself. That text was not created by Kavi ji in some dark corner of a basement. It took 10 years to create referencing many sources. If the Singhs at that time did not understand the Gurus personalities then no one does-especially not someone from this era so far removed. If you say you can understand via Gurbani- then you are simply making tautological augment again. And as I have said before, that is completely up to the persons reading interpretation. Some better than others. If I asked you specifically to read Gurbani and create a document explaining the Guru's personality-have you not created then your own suraj prakash? Why would your version be correct?
If you interpret a Sikh concept 1 way and 10 agree with you and 10 don't. What then? A pseudo group has essentially formed here. As I was saying before, Guru Gobind Singh understood this to be an inevitable aspect of religion so he create the Khalsa to maintain unity and find compromises. Why did the Guru shun 5 groups but essentially remain neutral on others? Subgroups in a religion is inevitable.
You come across as someone who thinks they have the answers while everyone else is wrong. I don't think you realize you are doing what you complain about. You are a few steps away from making your own group yourself. None of these groups are 100% correct, nor do they have the right to gatekeep sikhi. I disagree with taksal and nihungs more than I agree with them, but to call them cults would be completely off base.
@@x-s6002 Bhai Sahib ji you gave an example of Maskeen ji and I told you what he preached and wanted to inform you what he said! Yes, I agree with what you have said by giving the example earlier quoting maskieen ji that, if you give 100 ppl gurbani they will interpret it differently according to their knowledge. Yes, that is correct if they don't know the meaning of the Gurbani they are reading and only understand it through "Akhri Arth". For example the first line of Jap ji Sahib "Soche Soch na Hovayi, Je Soche Lakh vaar", now many scholars have translated this differently according to their knowledge, for example, some people have said this means "by thinking, he cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of time" (this is akhri arth) however the actual meaning of this shabad is "cleaning the body by taking thousands of baths does not clean the mind from the filth of evil thoughts". Everyone will have their own understanding of Gurbani depending on their knowledge because they are not following the grammar of Gurbani or how it's written!
Now, I have not said I am 100% correct and I have specifically received the true wisdom, but what I am saying is that I have the knowledge to read and see what is right and what is wrong. You have asked me to tell you what is "they" got wrong! Have you read the SGGS from Taksal? read it and compare it with the actual Damhdhami Saroop you will see that Taksali Saroop has many different errors and there are many changes they have made Now if you know there are mistakes and if I am pointing out how I am wrong and "they" are correct!
Yes, I agree with your statement that "if someone says I won't eat butter as it will cause pain because Gurbani says" is incorrect thinking, and possibly they are reading or understanding this through Akhri arth like I have given the example earlier! There are multiple groups which they don't want to follow or listen the what the guru ji is saying and they are more influenced by deras, udaasis and other so-called sampradas! For example, taksal says in their books Guru Nanak is from Hindu God Ram's bloodline, Nanaksar has added kachi rachnwaa's in today gutkas, Udaasiyaan does their own rituals influenced by Hinduism, Nirankaris don't even have SGGS in their so-called temple, now what is the point of the having these so-called groups if they are only preaching their own stuff instead of not preaching what the guru ji says?
It doesn't matter if Suraj Paraksh is approved by Akhal Takhth Sahib is highly valuable or if it should be respected at the highest level. Mahants took over the majority of the gurdwaras when Sikhs used to live in jungles, and because mahants used to follow Udaasiyaan Maryada of course they will approve what suits their code of conduct. Even today, you can see that decisions that come from Akhal takhts are coming from Akal Dal, all the jathedaar's of Akal takth today are puppets of Akali dal, and Akali dal leaders Sukhveer singh is a puppet of RSS, I'm sure you can see pictures of Sukhveer and Parkash badal with RSS members and in RSS meetings. And I'm sure you know what does RSS wants and what they want to achieve, they already are saying sikhs are hindu and these so-called jathedaar and akali dal says nothing! They only follow whatever order comes from their RSS guru's! There is a lot of stuff in Suraj Parkash that is incorrect and bad, it provides false stories of all the guru sahibs and also targets gurus characters! I am sure which ever translation you read, whether it's bhai vir singh ji translation or some other writer's they write the same thing that is written in suraj parkash! Now I am not saying you should believe whatever I am saying, you are more than welcome to read the suraj paraksh and make your own decisions! That's what I said earlier, I am not saying I am 100% correct, I just know how to read Punjabi and Gurmukhi and make decisions on what's written, that's all!!!
Sorry, I am not able to understand what you are saying regarding Guru Ji making compromises and shunning 5 groups. What 5 groups and what have they compromised? I don't think a guru can compromise in any situation, guru says it directly, if you like then good if you don't then it's your choice, it's like take it or leave it! but it cannot be compromised! There is Guru Angad Sahib ji Salok which says, "but one who feels good only when good is done for him and feels bad when things go badly. Do not call him a lover, he trades only for his own account" (ang:474). There are no compromises here if you want to walk in the guru's path you can't compromise!
Again, I am not saying I am 100% correct, again I can read and understand hence I have told you whatever I felt like! Now if you don't agree with it, then that is fine, I don't have any problems with that! Yes, I don't agree with the majority of the things of Taksal, Nihangs, Nirankariye, Namdhariye, Missinaraies, udaasiye, AKJ and so-called other groups are there! Because they are not following what Guru Ji is saying, they just want to implement their own code of conduct!
Hahaha, I don't want to start my group, I don't have any alliances! I already have my alliance and that is with the one supreme lord "Some form alliances with friends, children and siblings. Some form alliances with in-laws and relatives. Some form alliances with chiefs and leaders for their own selfish motives. My alliance is with the lord, who is pervading everywhere. I have formed my alliance with the lord, the lord is my only support. Other than the lord, I have no other faction or alliance" (Guru Ramdas ji, Ang 366).
Dhanwaad! 🙏
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waheguru ji where can i donwload the lineage chart that you show often during the video
Ignore the hate broooo
Thank you brother! We won't let them stop us!
@@KhalsaNama Will you make a video on the namdharis in the coming future?
You mean the namdhaaris who believe dasam pathshah lived for 150 years, spent a 100 years in hiding while Sikhs were persecuted? How credible is that narrative?
@@harpeetsingh namdharis during baba ram singh ji's time were most certainly different than today's namdharis
You did good work on the video. A lot of reaseach must have went into it. Being that video is about historical account of an era, can you provide all the sources that you used for your research in each video's description. I would like to go through such sources.
thank you, the sources are at the end :)
This is such a great video...a humble suggestion perhaps is to talk more about the jathebandia not created by the gurus like taksal and akj and nanaksar. Perhaps a video on each jathebandi in detail including their maryada. That would be great!
Nanaksar is an upsamparda of nirmale. And we all know Damdami Taksal’s history. There are historical records and sources which everyone turn a blind eye to because they want to discredit Taksal
Damdami Taksal was created by Guru Gobind Singh Ji and had jathedars but was less prominent until the 1900s
@singhs1699 hanji but the jathedari was given to baba Deep Singh, who was a akali mahakal Nihung Singh and the amritsari taksal to Giani Shaheed Baba Mani Singh Ji. The maryada we associate ddt now is different from the jathdars of puratan days. The current maryada is heavily influenced by maharpurshs like sant giani Gurbachan Singh Khalsa. I would like to know more about that as i dont have much knowledge on its origins. Bhul chuk muaf
Load of bullshit. 😂 taksalis lying once again.
Firstly a huge credit goes to this bhai sahib for creating this education video, although there are some things which are not correct or need to be checked properly however majority of the things mentioned are quite significant and valuable.
I think at 45:20 bhai sahib ji says Damdami Taksal and Nanaksar were "off-shoots" of Nirmale! This clearly suggests they were not originally created by Guru Gobind Ji! As mentioned in the video, the role of Nirmales has always been to distort the actual way of living according to Guru Granth Sahib Ji and implement their own code of conduct influenced by Hindu traditions etc! If you are interested you can read the older scripture of Damdami Taksal, you can see they have used the term "Bhindra-Mehta Dera" and the term Damdami Taksal was used after 1970 I think and then it grew more After Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindrawala!
What I have learnt after watching this video is that none of the Sikhs, groups or jathebandiyaa actually followed the actual teaching of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, everyone tried to start their own cult whether it's been Udaasi, Nirmale and others and implemented their own teaching or code of conducts. And still today, there are so many deras, and groups and organisation in India who still doesn't actually follow what Guru Granth Sahib Ji' says, they only follow what their sampardayi jithebandiyaa wants them to do or what their predecessor did!
These narrations after much research, I hope, are well overdue! Well done to the Narrator Author of this video. There is still a chance for us to be saved from the misleading heads of the Faith, be it the Thakats or the Gurdwaras. Sadly, Some of them are well away from the Gurus mission now. And don't even get me started on the "Bad Press" under the name of Guru Govind Singh being circulated!
thank you :)
Great vid. Where can i get that chart for reference? Would really appreciate it.
8:10 Anyone know which akhar Charles Wilkins was given?
Great video! I always felt there was a gap in knowledge about what guru gobind singh ji was doing early before making khalsa panth. just 2 questions, if there are no early texts written about Nihang singhs, what about Salok Dumalle da? guru gobind singh ji himself tied a farla with bunga, no? what about the sakhis with singhs being called "nihangs" by persian forces?
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Great job bro
True Blue Khalsa
Any sources of banda bahadur's amritpaan?
very interesting. well done. please why was the Ravidass panth not mentioned?
they don't consider themselves as sikhs today
@@jassimarsingh6505 thank you for replying. Would you say that the fall into the Hindu section with some of the Udassi?
@@flexystudio yes unfortunately a lot of udasis today deny their sikh past.
Can someone help me with the diagran being shown at 2:22 ?
you can download it on our latest video
KINDLY Quote authentic source confirming wearing of "sehli-topi" by Guru Nanak.
And what exactly sehli means ?
Please. .….
I saw people say that Banda Singh Bahadur was the one that started it rather than his followers after his martyrdom.
Paji panjabi ch pa dya kro apdi boli katon pulni aa
Aap romanised script use kardeyo? ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਵਿਚ ਪੁੱਛੋ
@@Inkulabi ਬਾਈ ਇਹ ਕਮੈਂਟ ਕਰਨ ਵੇਲੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਕੋਲ ਲੇਪਟੋਪ ਸੀਗਾ ਓਸ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਰਮੁਖੀ ਲਿਪੀ ਨੀ ਹੈਗੀ ।
ਹੁਣ ਮੋਬਾਈਲ ਤੋਂ ਕਰ ਰੇਹਾ ਹਾਂ।
@@Khudmukhtiar menu koi fark nahi Veereh, channel valeh nu pucho. Keya nu Gurmukhi parni ja likni oundi nahi. 🙏🏽
Sikhs have always know there are two ways to enter the fold if sikhi one necessarily does not need to take Amrit. However due to their own agendas the so called Baba push there agenda. To be a Sikh you must accept the Granth as Ur guru and reject other scriptures as false this is the fundamental requirement.
is there any historical evidence supporting Banda Bahadur took Amrit other than Kanh Singh nabha's claims ? I am curious because no historical document mentions him as Banda Singh Bahadur only Banda Bahadur.
Amarnama
Ganda Singh book is good
@@MrHsingh93 These are not from the time of khalsa and obviously Ganda Singh wasn't there. what are his references ?
Ahmad Shah Batalia's Zikr-i-Guruan wa Ibtida-i-Singhan wa Mazhab-i-Eshan
How accurate would it be to claim that Hazoor Sahib is closest to the “original Khalsa” because its geographical positioning meant that it wasn’t influenced by Sant-movements and Singh Sabha reformation of North India?
In my humble opinion. It would be pretty accurate. If you read the pre colonial texts and compare them to the hazur sahib maryada. They are mostly the same
Clearly a lot of effort went into this video; kudos. From an entertainment perspective it’s brilliant 👏 but from another perspective my opinion is that when ANYONE presenting a viewpoint as an absolute..You should fact check. Guru Granth Sahib Ji discusses points such as what is a Sikh and lifestyle and should be our first and primary reference.
Great reply Singh Sahib
As fascinating as the history may be... I would like to understand what message is the author trying to drive? Yes, we get to hear the fluid nature of Sikhi in 18th century. And the point is?Every history book has an underlying narrative. What's yours?
Let's hear the truth
Very well researched and presented. However there are some huge flaws which makes much of the information presented irrelevant.
The main problem is that since the “winners” write history, much of the history available today is heavily biased. For example, Baba Banda Singh Bahadhur Ji was the only general (jathedhaar) that Guru Gobind Singh Ji personally assigned to all of Khalsa. How did the jathedhaar that Guru sahib himself chose end up in the hands of Mughals? Did Guru sahib ji choose wrong? To even think as such is blasphemy. What happened then is what has happened again and again in history - there were “Singhs” that opposed him and joined with Mughal forces. When these “singhs” (more like traitors) chose to oppose Baba Ji and stood up infront of him, Baba Ji had 2 choices. Either he could fight his own brothers, or he could turn back. Being the Bramhgyani gursikh he was, he knew when Singh’s fight amongst themselves it hurts both parties immensely. The physical loss is obvious but there is also much spiritual loss. He chose not to fight his own brothers which gave the Mughals the upper hand.
Now back to the point I was making - if we look at what is written about his rule and how he wanted to become “Guru” himself and all other accusations against him, it is essential to note that this was all written by the traitors who betrayed him and the panth in the first place. This can be applied to many of the “facts” presented in this video.
Another issue is the observations made by non sikhs although often true, are always without context. Without the understanding of traditions and the intentions/reasoning behind it, a lot of what they’ve written can be very misleading.
Your argument is silly, this video didn’t mention anything about the schisms during his lifetime
And you totally missed my point. The same idea can be applied to the rest.
@@dasmeshdadaas there was clearly a schism after his death, don’t be ridiculous
My arguments were for Sikh believers. Not for those who don’t even believe that Guru Sahib is Akal Purakhs roop/form.
If you had read gurbani and had a basic understanding you could never have said what you did.
“Gur parmeshar eko jaan”. I have no desire to argue with nastiks. My point was for fellow sikhs who have an interest and commitment towards sikhi.
@@MrHsingh93 much of the info available about that “schism” is also written by the so called “tat Khalsa” against the “bandai Khalsa” and is severely biased. Anyone with some basic understanding of gurmat principles can determine that. Just look at what they’ve wrote - to initiate the “bandai Khalsa” back into sikhi since they “lost”, they were forced to eat “soor di taree” (soup of pig meat). Even the sikhs who are in favour of eating meat wouldn’t eat that let alone those who rightfully oppose it.
you are incorrect about the fact thatbmaharaja Ranjit Singh choosingnwhonrunns seva at Ahkaal Takht Sahib because head jathedar was akaali baba Phoola Singh ji Nihang
Your section on nihangs, shaheedi misl and sardars of early misl period is inaccurate ignorant and condescending bs. So carefully ignored even the mentioning of actual taksals of Girwadi, Sekhwan, etc.
- Ain't even going or referring to the Baba Buddha ji storyline, not only you and your "well informed" likes pedagogically depend on exclusively English sources but are also so physically disconnected from the landscape of Punjab that they would outrightly ignore the literal living heritages related to the dal, families who have been custodians of the actual uncolonised history for centuries and physical imprints of the history of nihangs spread all across towns and cities. This "exact same take" is what is bs propagated by very tiny University educated "well informed" people who are totally decapitated from the actual intricacies of reality so much so that they start seeing and lecturing on Sikh history as any other outsider or an 18th century agent of Empire would do. Even for some British reference, Jacquemont and Soltykoff's travel diaries, among others, (though heavily biased against Nihangs) attest to the oral traditions and age old ways of the Dal.
It is 100% true and seen this exact same take given by a lot of well-informed people. Both Nihangs and Taksal need to stop copium of claiming they are super-puratan (I have heard bs like Baba Buddha ji started Buddha dal) and claiming they created the other and created other sects. Only thing puratan is the Khalsa itself and analysis and story telling should be done from this point.
@@ASingh-gs8tn Inherited GurSikhi >>>> So called "Historical research". People like you and your "scholarly" kinds with their self-constructed fantasies in academic ivory towers have no knowledge nor say in matters of panth! Period.
Outsiders don't know sh|t about Dal, it's living and inheritance! I ain't even going or referring to the Baba Buddha ji storyline, not only he and his "well informed" likes pedagogically depend on exclusively English sources but are so physically disconnected from the landscape of Punjab that they would outrightly ignore the literal living heritages related to the dal, families who have been custodians of the actual uncolonised history for centuries and physical imprints of the history of nihangs spread all across towns and cities. This "exact same take" is what is bs propagated by very tiny University educated "well informed" people who are totally decapitated from the actual intricacies of reality so much so that they start seeing and lecturing on Sikh history as any other outsider or an 18th century agent of Empire would do. Even for some British reference, Jacquemont and Soltykoff's travel diaries, among others, (though heavily biased against Nihangs) attest to the oral traditions and age old ways of Dal.
@@gurjotsingh8934 Historical research >>>> these “oral traditions” often themselves are contradictory plugging in each others holes and dont have much backing concepts things like having a second batta for low castes “adopted suryavanshi”, Sarbloh Granth, farla have no historical backing, weird origin stories and were clearly formalised under Akali Naina Singh. How would u consider this research? We might as well start taking “bachans” of Nirmalas as research now.
The video does mention the oral tradition. We're also aware of the Akaal Sena and the warrior tradition prior to Guru Gobind Singh - which are of course important. The video talks more about the 'Akali-Nihangs' as an organised group appearing in literature after the time of Guru Gobind Singh
@@ASingh-gs8tn Inherited GurSikhi >>>> So called "Historical research". People like you with their self-constructed fantasies in academic ivory towers have no knowledge nor say in matters of panth! Period. Total destruction and annihilation of the illustrious Gursikh traditions and intangible heritage should be solely attributed to these scholarly kinds.
Well you are wrong about the british appointing Mahants at Gurudwaras, they were brought in by Nawab Jassa Singh ahluwalia from Banares after Mils became strong enough in punjab. Later the same Mahants were patronised by Maharaja Ranjit Singh. British Installed the jathedar Arur Singh as the head of Akal takht.
The Pure Seek Akali Nihangs.honor.our tradtion as per order 0f.Guru Gobind Singh ji There are many papers fron 18 th century andnits writtrm these arr the Puritan Seeks
Alcohol was never allowed, only opium and cannabis (in the form of a drink) no other intoxicant is or was allowed
I would appreciate if you decoded the revolutionary GURBANI instead of this.
The panth which 10ve mahraj came to pargat is nihang singhs others are branches of panth but panth is only nihang singhs
It has important content but he is not explaining it very well.
It seems like he is just reading from a book. Reminds me of my school history teacher.
he is indeed quoting a book yes
Militarily it is inspired by Rajput(kshatriya) and religiously by Islam, this is the fact of Sikhism, the main reason was the invasion of Islam.
Never heard of most of these things???? People please do research b 4 u believe what is being said
Listen to some sampardaic gianis and their kathas
Gadarri is still strong
This is great history, but a lot of European influence