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JAMES WHITE How To Witness To a Jehovah’s Witness
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ต.ค. 2023
- Dr James White speaks on Jehovah's Witnesses. Mirror from African Christian University. Excellent talk.
See the other videos on this channel regarding Jehovah's Witnesses. Channel : Witness for Jesus. / witnessforjesus
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I believed this to be a new talk but some people are saying it is not. The African church it was from uploaded it 3 months ago. So I have assumed it was 2023.
I thought that this would be a good video to share and would bring JW here to my channel to comment.
As an ex Jehovah’s Witness, this guy was on the money wit his research and defense for them! Salute!!
So you have turned away from God and are no longer his witness. Isaiah (Iz 43:12) and Jesus were witnesses to the end (Rev. 3:14)
@@DjMakinetor let me know when you aren’t hiding behind a computer and I’ll tell you the truth about “the truth”. Prepared for your world to be shattered
Isn't it a coincidence: "My interpretation is better than yours, so I will prove you false at the expense of the truth"? Even if the majority agrees with each other, that still does not prove that the majority is right!@@tyedup8884
@@tyedup8884 Good defense to protect your mental and spiritual heath against these robotic keyboard warriors living in fear.
@@sammyytube5999 Paul wrote: “There will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth.”-2 Timothy 4:3, 4.
I am still waiting for someone to prove to me that the holy spirit is a person. Without that third person, this man made false teaching steeped in paganism, that came 300 years after Jesus left the earth, is a big fat lie.
This guys vids and debates helped me not to get baptized as a JW about 12 years ago.
1 Timothy 3:13 came to the rescue?
@@jimjuri6490???
Thanks for uploading this, it's been very helpful. As Dr White mentions @59:27 Nabeel Qureshi passed away last year (i.e. Nabeel passed away in 2017) so this recording will have been recorded sometime in 2018 then. Thanks!
I may not agree with 5 point Calvinism, infact i refer to myself often as a 3 point Calvinist...lol
But he is one of my favourite apologists.
He has the sect/cult attributes spot on.
Same thing here, but I just ditch the whole "Calvinism" thing. Outside of his Calvinism, this guy is quite the apologist. I watched all his early stuff before he got in a tiff with Leighton Flowers.
Thank you for sharing this, Dawn! Just finished your talk on the Resurrection and it was perfect. Thank you for all you do to share the gospel and undo the WT programming from which some of us still suffer. ❤
Thank you for sharing this. 🙏🏽
Thanks ! People seem upset with me lol
This talk was in 2018 because he mentions Easter was on April 1st and I checked it out, it rarely falls on April 1st but did in 2018
Thank you for this
Brilliant 👏
Identifying Jesus as the Arch Angel Michael is another Jesus that Paul wrote about in 2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, another spirit, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."
Paul himself claimed that Jesus is the Archangel. See 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
Jesus himself claimed to be Michael.
@@jimjuri6490 It says "the VOICE of the archangel." Paul also said in 2 Corinthians 10:5 "...bring every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ."
@@cyberla : Jesus is coming with a voice of an Archangel. Why would Paul bring in Archangel into the context? Why would Jesus imitate another's voice?
Logically, Jesus would use his own powerful voice. That of Michael.
(Revelation 12:7) And war broke out in heaven: MICHAEL AND HIS ANGELS....
(2 Thessalonians 1:7) But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord JESUS from heaven WITH HIS POWERFUL ANGELS...
How many Leaders of God's angels are there?
ONLY ONE. Know by 2 names.
27:53 I remember this like it was just yesterday! It was the late 80s early 90s and there was a memorial supper and they all just passed the plate, I was so confused that the people in the front ate of it, but everyone else was just passing it on. It was so strange to me as a kid. Today when I look back I can almost see satan laughing at all of them for not having a relationship with Christ.
Sounds a but fishy that the entire row ate. There are only a few chosen ones still around worldwide.
1 Corinthians 11:27 Therefore, whoever eats the loaf or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will be guilty respecting the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 First let a man approve himself after scrutiny, and only then let him eat of the loaf and drink of the cup.
@@jimjuri6490 Well, I am working off of old memory, it was not an entire row. But some people in the front DID take. I would say if I reaaaaaaally had to fish it out, about 3 ate. BUT not a whole row, no. You know that confused look the minions from Despicable Me had? If so, that was me. Then when my mother past it on I HAD to ask her when we got home why nobody ate. Thank you for your reply.
@@thelthrythquezada8397 : Only about 0.01 % of JWs are of the Chosen ones. Only these will partake. Seeing even one partaking is a rare sight. Entire rows??? Well!!!.
@@jimjuri6490 no, NOT the entire row. Maybe 2 or 3. I did not say an entire row I said some people (elders) in the front partook in it.
@@thelthrythquezada8397 : The Elders would be taking the emblems around. Not sitting down.
When people make up stuff, it should at least be believable. Let it be.
Praise God.
Thanks alot for sharing My friend New friend here stay connected God bless you
Wow ❤❤❤❤
Dr. White is a fine teacher. Some say he is arrogant, I do not. He is a loving teacher and shows this in his teaching.
I am an ex-JW. I am considered an Apostate because of how I finally woke up and saw the “real truth of Christ”. I was too vocal and was chastised for being truthful and vocal. The Trinity IS the truth! It is so clear. So clear. God Bless!
Let's ignore these X claims. How about explaining this.
1 Peter 3:22 He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers WERE MADE SUBJECT TO HIM.
This is talking about Jesus. How is Jesus sitting at God's right hand if he was God?
And who made the angels subject to Jesus?
One needs to know Jehovah's witnesses theology, history and their " indoctrinated mind set" and how they view non Jehovah's witnesses.
They particularly dislike the doctrine of the Triniy......so christians need to be well versed in scripture / theology and able to articulate this.
I find that being kind and gentle ( but firm and clear ) when talking to Jehovah's witnesses- they are taught to be suspicious of " worldly people " ( non Jehovah's witnesses) - so surprise them with love.
They dislike the trinity because it's a pagan belief. That's why they dislike it. The Babylonians(which were pagans) had trinities of God's, and so did the Egyptians, and you see how that worked out for them, don't you?? You understand that the trinity doctrine states that all three are equal to each other, right?? And if that's true, then why at Mark 13:32, Jesus says Heaven and Earth are passing away, but by no means will my words pass away. Concerning that day and hour, nobody knows, not the Angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father knows. Wow!! I thought all three were equal. If heaven and earth are passing away, you'd think that would be something the Almighty God would know about. And that right there tells me their not equal because if they were, the Son would know too, because they're all supposed to be equal. And apparently, they aren't. And that's not me saying that they're all equal, that's what the doctrine says. So, the question you should be asking yourself and your church leaders is this: Why doesn't the Son know when Heaven and Earth are passing away if they are all equal??? Don't just shrug your shoulders and say it's not for him to know. Because they're all supposed to be EQUAL. And another point is this, why isn't the Holy Spirit mentioned there?? It says the Angels in heaven, which are just slaves of God and the prophets, but why isn't the Holy Spirit even mentioned there???
Oh and just letting you know, I AM NOT A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS.
Son emptied himself of all Godliness while on earth
Phil 2. 6-7
Equal in nature and essence
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Equal in nature and essence, not in position the father is greater than I, but in others verses he describes how he and the Father are 1, like we are one in nature (Human) equal, but my work manager is higher than me in positio. Hope this helps
@fionataylor2286 So you think Jesus is equal to the Father?? Because of his nature. Where does it say that in the Bible?? What book and verse is that at??? Stop trying to add crap to what Jesus said. Jesus said at John 5:41 I DO NOT ACCEPT GLORY FROM MEN." Sooo why wouldn't Jesus accept glory from men if he was God??? Because all glory goes to God. It's things like that, that you said that makes problems with the understanding of the Bible. Watch this and learn. IF IT DOESN'T SAY IT ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE THEN DONT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT IT DOES AND DOESNT SAY. You just added some crap that's not true. It's true that God gave Jesus the powers of himself. But he is nowhere close to being equal to God. Why?? Because the word Almighty means absolute power and no equal whereas Mighty, which is what Isaiah said he'd be called, means strong and powerful. That's the difference between God, the Father, and Jesus.
Hello, Are there any ex jw groups at all in the NW of England? I'd love to know :)
Thanks for posting this content. I’m reading the comments and I can’t believe the hate. What is with JWs that watch this kind of content and instead of being humble and honest they try to attack or criticize. The more I am away from their mind control the more outrageous their behavior is to me.
The hate is by the people who post these videos attacking JWs. Nothing for JWs to get worried about. though.
(Matthew 24:9) “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.
@@jimjuri6490 Dr. White is sharing a message of hope and kindness and the true salvation (Heaven for all true believers). There is absolutely no hate or attack in anything he is saying. I don't even agree with him on 90 percent of his theology but I respect his kindness and showing of love.
@@CalvaryandChristendom : Did Jesus' disciples go around trying to pick holes in the beliefs of others?
Jesus' disciples then and now preach about God's Kingdom.
They are attacked by others because of the truth they preach.
John 15:18 If the world hates YOU, YOU know that it has hated me before it hated YOU. 19 If YOU were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because YOU are no part of the world, but I have chosen YOU out of the world, for this reason the world hates YOU.
Who are the YOU Jesus was referring to?
This video makes it obvious.
A close friend of mine is a JW, but a disfellowshipped one who is still brainwashed.
Took me 2 years of hard work to get somewhat out of the indoctrinated mindset of the watchtower.
@@agork I can only imagine how hard that would be. I’m glad to hear you are freeing yourself.
@@agork I had made stupid decisions because of WT mind-set.
People are disfellowship for bad unrepentant behavior. They however wouldn't be that crazy to go to another religion. The religions they left to become a JW.
Unlearning the truth is impossible.
@@jimjuri6490 depends on what you mean by “religion.” Many become born-again Christians who follow Christ and not a denomination. They didn’t throw the baby out with the bath water and still believe in God.
JESUS gave Peter and his catholic church the keys of the kingdom of heaven.
Toda raba❤
Yeah, that's true and then Constantine tainted that church with his pagan beliefs, and it's been tainted ever since. Why do you think the Cardinals and Bishops wear Red and Purple?? Because that was brought in by the pagans. They used to dress like that in their ceremonies and their fancy pow-wows.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk do more homework 🙂
@@Paulusfan I don't need to because what I said was true. My Ex-wife and her entire family are Catholics and I know exactly what and where they came from. Peter was given the keys to the Catholic church but Constantine did taint it. That's a FACT!! Before him there was NO trinity. He is the biggest corruptor in Catholicism. And he did a wonderful job doing so. You should be proud.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk The trinity ist in the bible.
JESUS was baptized, JAHWE ADONAI ELOHIM ZEBAOT says: This ist son, and the HOLY SPIRIT decented like a dove upon him.
@@Paulusfan I know the trinity isn't in the Bible anywhere. I don't believe in the trinity at all thanks though
Given the memorial stats of JW, this is an old video (maybe 2018) but uploaded again recently. Nonetheless, still very relevant. Would like to have seen this w/o the splicing. Interesting how there is no volume at 14:25-14:30. Probably b/c JWs really don't have the holy spirit to say that they baptize in such. I don't agree with the trinity belief, but his method in handling JWs is spot on. Do no look for the "ah ha" moments to scare them away. Let them off the hook when they have no answer. Stitch to the discussion of Christ and the bible. You are not trying to win them over immediately, just planting the seed so that when they are separated from other, they are thinking independently. And if you are or were ever a JW, you don't have to admit that to them because they look for a reason to shut down on what they have no logical answer for. It is crazy how they don't see how they are being witnessed to. Good job on educating people on how to deal with the annoying pest of JWs instead of feeling intimated b/c they are more trained and versed with their chosen texts. I'm going to incorporate several of scriptures here in my personal ministry against strong controlled groups like JWs. Good response to the gentlemen who asked why JW are so driven and present. It is a fear of never living up to God's standard and always feeling that they have to prove by visible works. The speaker could have also added that it is out of competition and pressure to look spiritual in front of each other as well. Finally, nice closing prayer.
Teaching JWs the truth? Strange! How many TRUTH is there? John 8:31,32.
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Hey bring back brother Greg Stafford on your show that would be a interesting debate.
I found out my new friend has been studying with JW's for 3 years now.
Many take longer to qualify as a JWs. Making needed changes is hard for some.
😢 I'm so sorry to hear this! Pray for her not to be deceived and learn all you can to help her know the real Jesus, the ONLY way to salvation.
@@ritastevenson5639 yes, thank you. I find she's indoctrinated. But God will save her. I believe this is why we met.
@@josephtermeer5196: People who have been made to believe that an IMMORTAL ALMIGHTY GOD whom no human can see and continue to exist (Exodus 33:20), manages to change his form, come among humans, get abused and killed?? I would think that the word indoctrinated would apply to such people. Not to JWS.
JWs worldwide teach ONE TRUTH . 1 Corinthians 1:10.
@@ritastevenson5639 the real Jesus is not part of a man made trinity. If he would have been he would have spoken about it. Instead he said at John 10:36 Jesus Christ said: "I am God's Son."
John 14:28,: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.” Jehovah’s Witnesses know who Christ is.
Dawn, was this from 2023? He said they are HQ-ed in Brooklyn, NY. I thought they sold that property in Brooklyn and moved everything up to Warwick. Also, they've been doing major building projects for their media center and printing ops. I can only speculate they've been selling off KHs to pay for their projects in New York.
No - this is from about maybe 6/7 years ago.
@@HenriettaMRiley I was wondering because the description said Jehovah's Witnesses 2023.
Sorry I really thought this was new !!
@@WitnessForJesus 💌
This might be "new" to some viewers. We cannot assume that EVERYONE has seen this presentation before.
BUT HOW COULD GOD BE A TRINITY? PSALMS 83 v 18 says, THAT MEN MAY KNOW THAT YOU ALONE WHOSE NAME IS JEHOVAH ARE THE MOST HIGH OVER ALL THE EARTH. ( YOU ALONE WHOSE NAME IS JEHOVAH) IT is also in the king James version, most of the older copies.
The Holy SPIRIT appeared as a dove when Jesus got baptized, was Mary impregnated by a dove? The holy spirit appeared as Fire at one stage, was Mary impregnated by fire? The holy spirit appeared as a strong breeze, was Mary impregnated by a strong breeze? The Holy spirit is God's vital force that he uses to carry out his purpose.
Any sensible person who reads DANIEL 12 v 1 and 2 and compare it to John 5 v 28 and 29, MUST conclude that both accounts are speaking of the same event and the same person MICHAEL IS JESUS. IF MICHAEL IS NOT JESUS, how then did he get the book ( scrolls). REVERLATIONS 5 verse 1 to 5 says that NO MAN IN HEAVEN OR ON THE EARTH IS WORTHY TO OPEN THE BOOK OR EVEN LOOK ON IT BUT JESUS. SO HOW THEN DID MICHAEL GET THE BOOK IF HE IS NOT JESUS?
1 Corinthians 11 v 3 says, THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST, THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD. SO IF the Holy SPIRIT is a person who is he the head of?
IF EVERY TOM, DICK AND HARRY WAS SUPPOSED TO PARTAKE OF THE BREAD AND WINE, WHY THEN IS THERE A WARNING at 1 Corinthians 11v 27?
Do you know that MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN? ( MATTHEW 22 V 14) DO YOU KNOW THAT THOSE CHOSEN FEW ARE JOINT HEIRS WITH CHRIST? (ROMANS 8 v17) DO YOU KNOW WHAT AN HEIR IS? Someone waiting to take up ownership or rulership. Don't you know that REVERLATIONS 14 v 1to 5 speaks of the 144,000 who were redeemed from the earth and verse 6 speaks of THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL FOR THOSE WHO DWELL UPON THE EARTH? Don't you know that REVERLATIONS 5 verse 9 and 10 tells you what those chosen few are going to do? They are going to be made kings and Priests and they shall rulel over the earth?
Don't you know, that MATTHEW 5 v 5 says BLESSED ARE THE MEEK FOR THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH? DON'T YOU KNOW THAT, PSALMS 37 v 11 says that THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH AND SHALL DELIGHT THEMSELVES IN THE ABUNDANCE OF PEACE? AND verse 29 says, THEY SHALL DWELL UPON THE EARTH F O R E V E R !
ALL THE NONSENSE THIS MAN IS SPEAKING TO PROVE JESUS IS THE ONE WHO BUILT EVERYTHING, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS READ HEBREWS 3 v 4. Which says K.J.V)
Good job that to is how I understand the sciptures it says so ,weekly study of the sciptues tells me this and it was not forced on me I,m a ex JW 70s ,80s I am angered of all the twisted lies put out by all these other religions especially by ex JWs. pastor White says the vigorous active preaching work JWs does is for there salvation no that is not true.The preaching work was a command from heaven Jesus taught his desiples to do this to all the nation and then the end will come.
@@kanangaeruaiti7266I appreciate your response but why haven’t “you come back” considering the scene of the world and what the scriptures teach? No need to answer just something to think about.
The context of John 1:1 lays the groundwork for accurate understanding.
The King James Version says, "The Word was with God." Someone who is "with" another person cannot be the same as that other person.
The Journal of Biblical Literature, edited by Jesuit Joseph A. Fitzmyer, notes that if the latter part of John 1:1 were interpreted to mean "the" God, this "would then contradict the preceding clause," which says that the Word WAS WITH God.
Notice, how older translations renders John 1:1
1808: "and the word was a god."
The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text.
1864: "and a god was the word."
The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson.
1928: "and the Word was a divine being."
La Bible du Centenaire, L'Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
1935: "and the Word was divine."
The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.
1946: "and of a divine kind was the Word." Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme.
1950: "and the Word was a god."
New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.
1958: "and the Word was a God." The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek.
1975: "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz.
1978: "and godlike kind was the Logos." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider.
John 8:32 …and the truth shall set you free.
I sent you a Scripture, I didn't answer your question bc I really don't want to argue/debate beliefs. I have mine & you have yours, lets be thankful we both have God in our lives. Have a nice day, take care!
Against ur watchtower rules to debate
Sad but true
@@JasonWhite-ti1ej I "studied" with the jw's time after time of which I regret the waste of my time. I don't believe any of their teachings, Everything they teach is antithetical of what Jesus preached.
The worst is they teach Jesus is really Michael the arch angel which is blasphemy!
@@bernadette4484 : If Jesus is not Michael the Archangel, why did Paul say he is. Read 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Jesus claimed to be Michael.
God didn't send just any angel. He sent His foremost beloved son. The Leader of the angels.
@@jimjuri6490 Everything jw's teach is antithetical as to what Jesus preached. As a matter of Fact jw's deny Jesus, saying Jesus is really Michael the arch angel is Blasphemy.
@@bernadette4484 : JWs are the only ones who do believe this statement.
(Matthew 16:16) Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Others complicate matters by trying to make a son out to be his father.
If JWs are not Jesus' only disciples in these last days, who then is fulfilling Matthew 24:14?
This guy is the worse guy to learn from when witnessing to Jehovah’s Witnesses. The one debate he had with a Jehovah’s Witnesses he utterly embarrassed himself. That’s why he doesn’t deal with them anymore.
God used terms we can easily identify with-Father and son, yet many are still confused.
Father and son belong to the same family but are different individuals and are not equal!
Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins affirmed:
"To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; .. they say nothing about it."
-Origin and Evolution of Religion.
Historian Arthur Weigall notes: "Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word Trinity appear.
The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord."
-The Paganism in Our Christianity.
"The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the [Trinity] idea to their own faith.
They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognized the ... Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One.
"-The Paganism in Our Christianity."
They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognized the ... Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One.
"-The Paganism in Our Christianity."
"At first the Christian faith was not Trinitarian ... It was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and other early Christian writings." --Encyclopedia of Christianity and Ethics.
"The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."
- New Catholic Encyclopedia.
In Jesus' defense against the charge of the Jews, that he claimed to be God, he noted that "the Law uses the word gods of those to whom the word of God was addressed," that is, human judges.
(John 10:34, 35, JB;
Psalm 82:1-6)
Even Satan is called "the god of this system of things" at 2 Corinthians 4:4.
The Catholic sources you are quoting here are either wrong or just completely out of context. Jesus is clearly stated as God in several epistles we have from Ignatius, the student of the Apostle John. Here's the relevant quotes from just one letter: *Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians* -
Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which is at Ephesus, in Asia, deservedly most happy, being blessed in the greatness and fulness of God the Father, and predestinated before the beginning of time, that it should be always for an enduring and unchangeable glory, *being united and elected through the true passion by the will of the Father, and Jesus Christ, our God:* Abundant happiness through Jesus Christ, and His undefiled grace.
Ignatius helps us affirms that ‘his own blood’ (Acts 20:28) refer back to ‘God’, thus a powerful evidence of Christ Jesus’ Deity: “*the church of God which he purchased with his own blood” in Letter To Ephesians chapter 1.*
Being the followers of God, and stirring up yourselves by the *blood of God*, ye have perfectly accomplished the work which was beseeming to you.
In chapter 7:
There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; *God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first possible and then impossible,- even Jesus Christ our Lord.*
Chapter 18:
For *our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost.* He was born and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water.
This is just one example out of dozens showing the writings of the early church those encylopedias are referring to all teach Jesus is God in Flesh. When you read the sources yourself instead of someone else's opinion of them it is very clear in my opinion
We know the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch and that the church of antioch was trinitarian already before 117 AD, so what happened there? Should we trust men who knew the apostles? If not, how can you be sure Ignatius was misinterpreting the Gospel and letters written by his own teacher?
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Justin Martyr, who died about 165 C.E., called the prehuman Jesus a created angel who is "other than the God who made all things." He said that Jesus was inferior to God and "never did snything except what the Crestor .. willed him to do and say.
"Irenaeus, who died about 200 C.E., said that the prehuman Jesus had a separate existence from God and was inferior to him. He showed that Jesus is not equal to the "One true and only God." who is "supreme over all, and besides whom there is no other."
Clement of Alexandria, who died about 215 C.E., called God the uncreated and imperishable and only true God." He said that the Son is next to the only omnipotent Father" but not equal to him.
Terbullian, who died about 230 C.E., taught the supremacy of God. He observed: "The Father is different from the Son (another), as he is greater, as he who begets is different from him who is begotten; he who sends, different from him who is sent." He also said:
"There was a time when the Son was not.. Before all things, God was alone.
Hippolytus, who died about.235 C.E., said that God is "the one God, the frst and the only One, the Maker and Lord of sil," who "had nothing co-eval lof equal age] with him But he was One, alone by himself; who, willing it, called into being what had no being before." such as the crested prehuman Jesus.
Origen, who died about 250 C.E... said that 'the Father and Son are two substances two things as to their essence," and that "compared with the Father, [the Son] is very small light."
Suniming up the historical evidence, Alvan Lamson says in The Church of the First Three Centuries: The modern popular doctrine of the Trinity .. derives no support from the language of Justin [Martyr]: 'and this observation may be extenced to al the ante-Nicene Fathers that is, to all Christian writers for three centuries after the birtin of Christ i is true they speak of the Father, Son, and .. holy Spirit, but not as co-equal, not as one numerical essence, not as Three in One, in any sense now taught by Trinitarians. The very reverse is the case.
Thus, the testimony of the Bible and of history makes clear that the Trinity was unknown throughout Bible times and for several centuries thereafter.
There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] whin the Godhead." - The Triune God.
AT PHILIPPIANS 2:6 the Catholic Douay Version (Dy) of 1609 says of Jesus: "Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."
The King James Version (of 1811) reads much the same.
JW's have a mistranslation; Calvinism mistranslates. Out of the frying pan into the fire. All of them following men rather than God's Holy Word. Psalm 146. John 14 6.
Alright JW talking about JWs
Notice what the Bible said:
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcome to the world, but he that believeth that Jesus Is The SON OF GOD.
(Not God the Son)
Before coming to the earth-Jesus was subordinate to God. Proverbs 8:22,30.
While here on earth, Jesus continues to be submissive to Almighty God John 20:17.
When back in heaven, Jesus still regard and refer to his Father as "My God" four times in a single verse: Rev 3:2, 12.
1 Corinthians 15:28; Jesus handovers to Jehovah God
11:3 God is the head of Jesus (headship arrangement) and
John 14:28 Jesus himself confess that the father (Almighty God) is always superior to him.
Neither Almighty God, Jesus Christ, his disciples or any Bible writers teach the doctrine on trinity anywhere in the Bible. It is NOT a gospel!
That is why it is called trinity creed, it is a decreed, by human (Emperor) NOT divinely inspired! John 4:23,24.
There is no place in the Bible that tells TRUE Christians that belief in Trinity is required or expected.
To gain eternal life, Jesus prescribes John 3:16, 36; 14:6; and 17:3 and NOT believe in theological elaboration called Trinity.
It is a distraction from the truth and satanic.
1 Cor. 11:3 Can Almighty God still have a Head?
God is the HEAD of Jesus.
Hebrews 1:2 Almighty God spoke to humans by means of the SON..
Vs. 3 Jesus is a REFLECTION of God’s glory and exact REPRESENTATION
Vs. 4 He INHERITED a name
Vs. 8 speaking about Jesus he says “God is your throne compare Matthew 28:18; Revelation 3:21.
Hebrews 5:8 Can Almighty God learn obedience from things suffered from sinful humans?
Never!
Witness to a Witness???? About what? Wouldn't the many JWs who were formerly members of conflicting dogma believing churches already know what they were given to believe while being its members. What would be 'new' to a JWs to witness about?
If JWs aren't Jesus only disciples, Matthew 24:14 will go unfulfilled.
The JW organization has published 250 million bibles in around 200 languages. Christians have published 3.5 billion bibles in 3500 languages. that in itself proves you are wrong.
@@WitnessForJesus:What has who published Bibles to do with anything.
The Roman Catholic Church decided on the books in the Bible. Are Christians all Roman Catholics?
God uses even his enemies to further his purpose.
I'm not a Roman Catholic. The reason my comment is relevant is that you have suggested that Matthew 24:14 will not be fulfilled without the tiny group of JW who are preaching. The reality is that Christians have preached the real good news for 2000 years and JW is a drop in the ocean in comparison. The BIBLE is VERY IMPORTANT and therefore the JW org only publishing 250 million bibles (compared to BILLIONS of copies of their OWN literature!) shows that they are a false prophet organisation. They don't care about the bible as much as their own publications. CT Russell would never have had a bible if it wasn't for other Christians. @@jimjuri6490
@@WitnessForJesus : Exactly my point. We wouldn't have the Bible in its present form if not for the Roman Catholic Church. Yet some decided to Protest and break away from it calling it various ungodly names.
The prophecy at Matthew 24:14 is a sign of the last days. Only JWs are fulfilling it.
@@jimjuri6490 You better hope that what JW's are preaching in the way of good news matches that preached by the first century Christians. Is it?
If not:
"However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed.i 9 As we have said before, I now say again, Whoever is declaring to you as good news something beyond what you accepted, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8+9 NWT
something new i heard from a jw is that jehovah is not speaking in old testiment but through someone else , so when moses speaks yhvh its not him
Get your facts right.
@@kanangaeruaiti7266 that's what a jw told me the other day
Is this a no to the trinity and Christmas?
Christmas has an origin look it up.
@@kanangaeruaiti7266 who said to Christmas was it God or man?
You mean aggressive like what you're doing here??? Because I've been on TH-cam for a while now, and I haven't seen any of their video's bashing your religion, but I have seen MANY of your religion's bashing them. So when you say that they're aggressive, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Have you seen any JW video's on here telling people what to do and what to believe??? No, you haven't, but you sure as hell see your video's bashing them. Why is that????
Yeah start bashing Ken Copeland he sure look like he,s got a demon in him even laughs like one.
@kanangaeruaiti7266 I don't believe we should be bashing anyone's beliefs. Even when we know that they are wrong. You can try to correct them by showing them the scriptures but when that doesn't work. Do what Jesus told you to do. Dust your feet off and move on to the next town. In this case, the next video, for a witness against them. If they don't want to listen or reject what you've shown them, then let it go and move on. But as for Kenneth Copeland and his strange behavior, that's for God to sort out. Not us.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk: JWs wouldn't get perturbed by these attacks.
(Matthew 24:9) “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.
@jimjuri6490 I know they wouldn't, but it perturbs me that these people say they are Christians, yet don't listen to what Jesus says. All he said to do was go out and preach the good news of the kingdom and where they don't accept you dust off your feet and move on to the next town and to be a witness against them. He never said to go and judge another person or group for their beliefs. And while they won't defend themselves, I'm happy to do so for them because while I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, I know who God is and whether you want to call him Jehovah or Yehovah or even Yehowah it's still not Jesus and for that reason there, they do have it right. Jehovah or Yehovah is God Almighty. And if they'd read their Bible they'd understand who Jesus truly is and was. Because he wasn't just called the Word of God in the New Testament. He was also the Word of God in the Old Testament, too. Jesus himself said at John 5:37 "You have neither seen his form nor heard his voice at any time. Soooo who's form and who's voice did they see and hear??? Yeah it was Jesus's voice and form they saw and heard. But you could never convince or even show these idiots that. So, try Zechariah 12:8 and ask yourself this, who in the line of David is most like God. And if he's the answer to the first part of the verse he's also the answer to the second part of it too.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk : Humans can never and have never seen God AT ANY TIME ( 1 John 4:12). Jesus confirmed it at John 5:37.
Jesus is a SENT one. A Prophet LIKE Moses (Deuteronomy 18:18).
JWs know this truth. They do not go around claiming that an IMMORTAL GOD DIED and lost his immortality forever.
Who is fulfilling the prophecy at Matthew 24:14 if not JWs?
JWs are God's last days people. The ones prophesied at Micah 4:1-5. Isaiah 43:10. The ones carrying out God's Will as given at Matthew 24:14.
How can anyone witness to a JW? About what?
It would be similar to the Pharisees trying to teach Jesus what the TRUTH is.
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth.
(John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you THE TRUTH I HEARD FROM GOD.
Same reason JWs are being targeted today.
John 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.
Why take your name from the out of context Hebrew Scriptures verse, Isaiah 43:10, when you are suppose to be followers of the Christ, Jesus? Acts 1:8; Acts 11:26
Also, please show me the Greek Scripture verse/s that teach us that there are anointed and non-anointed Christians.
You say JW's preach the truth - does that include their multiple guesses at date setting for the end of the world, in which they have been wrong every time? Or how about their over-lapping generation teaching? Is this Biblical Truth?
What about their eye of Horus assembly hall in Silkeborg, Denmark, which they sold in 2017, was that something that brought praise to God and Jesus Christ?
The arrogance of watchtower and their followers is akin to the arrogance of the Pharisees; and this keeps you in darkness, blinded, tied in to the rules of men, and away from the law of Christ, which belongs to freedom.
Only Jesus is the Way, NOT watchtower. Only Jesus is the Truth, NOT watchtower. Only Jesus is the Life, NOT watchtower. Only Jesus is the Mediator between God and humanity, NOT watchtower. John 14:6; 1 Timothy 2:5.
One name given for salvation, Jesus, NOT watchtower. Acts 4:12.
You keep taking about WT theology, JW's get their teaching from the Bible. So if you are going to use YOUR unscriptual Trinity theology to try and witness to JW's who are true witnesses of Jehovah them you are simply waiting your time as we have all heard the false Trinity dogma before.
It is about time you stopped flogging a dead horse with the pagan Trinity stuff as your arw simply trying to knock square pegs into round holes ! People are reading the bible for themselves and are doing their own research, I suggest that you get up to date with what the Bible really says rather than what YOU want it to say.
When you stand before the God and father of Jesus and then penny drops and realize you have been conned by a false teaching, you are going to find yourself in a very difficult situation. Please dump the pagan Trinity stuff before it is to late...Only trying to help you my friend!
Go to playlists on this channel and watch “is Jesus God?”. Then when you have watched video 1, please comment on it
@strond "In effect, Jesus conveys Jehovah's voice to us as he directs the congregation through the faithful and discrete slave class.We need to take this guidance and direction seriously, for our everlasting life depends on our obedience". - watchtower study edition June 2016 pg 26.
Care to share the scriptural support for this?
@@WitnessForJesusplease go to the Bible, read it without Trinity glasses on, then come back and comment.
@@STROND typical. Avoid the question.
Maybe you can read the KJV without watchtower goggles on. Here's another suggestion, read the greek interlinear printed by the watchtower and try to find the name Jehovah (YHWH) in the new testament,that is not quoted from the old testament. Everybody in the comment section eagerly awaits your findings. The point of this is for you to determine just how accurate the watchtower corporations bible is.
Or have there been (other) things added to it. And missing from it. And if you get that far, we can go into why they did it. 🙂
Dear STROND,
I, personally, am not interested in Watchtower theology.
I’m very interested in why the WTB&TS wants to maintain an organization whose structure encourages pedophilia and goes to great lengths to coverup the crimes of pedophilia committed, both inside and outside its congregations, throughout the world.
The WTB&TS has paid out, and continues to pay out, $millions of its members donations in the vain hope of keeping quiet this horrible scandal.
When governing body member Geoffrey Jackson had a wonderful opportunity back in 2015 to convince the Australian Royal Commission on Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse about the biblical underpinnings supporting Watchtower policies and practices he instead wimped out.
Now the demotion of Anthony Morris III from the governing body is adding spice to the scandal.