And after almost 6 years since release, this video shows how far we've come with integrated graphics on our 'non'-gaming systems. Ready for this weeks video Sunday!
Thanks for removing your previous personally abusive comment. In this video I do not say that this APU is better than having a separate graphics card, and indeed my comparison charts show that high power graphics cards like those you mention do significantly outperform APUs. However, APUs do allow PCs with reasonable graphics power to be build for low budgets, and this what I am showing here. The bottleneck argument is part of the story and made by many -- including Intel and AMD.
Hey could you do a review of AMD Ryzen 3 2200G or Ryzen 5 2400G, you have more than 100k subs, AMD would be surely kind enought to send you samples with your favourite Gigabyte boards (usually AB350N GAMING) This video explains everything beginner needs but its a little bit outdated.
I love your videos! You are talking straightforward, clear and without any nonsense. Clearly i can see that you put effort to your videos. Keep on the good work! :)
As I said above, I use the Core 2 Quad for the video editing and 3D graphics. The atom is for writing and web stuff (most of what brings the money in!). :)
I think this is a budget gaming PC! It will certainly play a lot of games pretty well. My total build cost here would be$345 + OS + monitor, so we are on roughly the same page.
The animations were done in Lightwave and composited in Adobe AfterEffects. They were done rather quickly (in about half a day) -- though I have been doing this kind of stuff for many years now! :) You could do this kind of stuff in a free package like Blender.
Do you know, that is one of the next on my list! :) The APU here is very overclockabe, and hence I will be overclocking it in a video in the new year! :)
I think the issue here is that the 10,000rpm Raptor I used here is SATA 1. Your 7200rpm drive may also be more modern, hence with a higher capacity, hence a higher data density, hence outperforming the Raptor (which in its day was the fastest disk on the market).
I use 2 PCs -- one is the Atom one I show in the "Building a Green PC" video here, which I do all of my writing and web stuff on. The other is currently a Core 2 Quad, used for video editing and 3D graphics. When this next blows up (all motherboards go eventually) I'll do a video of the rebuild, certainly. But I hope there is a good year in its motherboard yet! :)
It hope it will be sometime in the Spring of 2013 -- I am currently busy writing another book (this time on 3D Printing), and focusing on a few new "ExplainingTheFuture" videos for my other channels. A Windows history video is also a challenge to see how many versions I can get working! :) PS: I like your MS DOS icon -- very cool! :)
It comes pre-applied on the bottom of the heatsink -- it is the gray square you see when I turn the base of the heatsink toward camera in its close up.
The Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev.20 is £17.04 / $22.81 US at the time of writing on respective Amazons. I used it because AMD did not send me the stock cooler that comes "free" when you buy an AMD A8-3870K, and which would be perfectly sufficient. :)
Hello explainingcomputers i just watched your 2-3 videos.Your videos are excellent.Video quality and sounds are perfect. can you please make a video on pc assembling with proper thermal paste applying etc etc
Yes, in many ways Intel do I think make the best CPUs/APUs. But at the lower end of the market AMD do provide some good value solutions. And here I was sent a motherboard and APU from APU for a review build! :)
I did indeed first install Ubuntu on the Celeron Budget PC. But I then installed Windows 7 to run the benchmark tests before switching in the AMD APU motherboard (because I could not run Passmark under Ubuntu and wanted to do a fair test).
I love your videos. I promise you that Apu graphics made in 2018 still will not adequately allow you to game without a dedicated graphics card. Regardless of the year the Apu is still an apu
Depends what games you want to play if you want to play the newest games it wouldn't do a good job but other than that it's performance may be surprising
Yes, it is largely a green thing of now wanting to scrap functional kit (though the monitor is a quite new, 19w 5:4 model (1280x1024). Still most of my computing is writing, for which 4:3 or 5:4 screens are far more suited (which is why most offices still buy them). There is also the sheer agony of an upgrade! I will go to an i7 when my Core2Quad (or its motherboard) gives up! :) Though I recently upgraded the graphics card -- ses my "Graphics Card Upgrade" video! :)
Why?! It comes in a antistatic bag. Intel recommend that CPUs/APUs are fitted with the motherboard out of the case on an antistatic bag. Powering up a motherboard on an antistatic (conductive) bag would I accept be disasterous . . . :(
AMD are typically better value for money, and as APUs are usually shown to handle 3D graphics better. Intel CPUs/APUs have a better reputation for media encoding performance, though I've not done tests of this myself.
Hello ExplainingComputers! Great job with another intertesting vid, however you didn't cover up the crossfire between AMD's APU with ATI's GPU. Tbh there isn't much info out there on how the graphic boost works(is the performance increase ratio based on the gpu performance, does it work with all ati gpus, does the gpu work at a slower clockspeed like 2 graphicboards do in crossfire?) Do you think you can make a 2nd vid for this particular topic? Cheers!
Ahhh, that makes sense. Yes I saw the GTX 650 upgrade video :) I'm currently running a Q6600 C2Q 2.4 but want to upgrade that at some point since it simply doesn't keep up for modern games and 1080p video exports are rather slow (also due to me not having editing software that takes advantage of GPU rendering). I'm rather interested in AMD's next FX processors coming out in Q4, supposedly better energy consumption than prev generations. If that flops, then an Intel i5 will do just fine too!
Hi Chris. Love your very informative videos and your no nonsense explanations. However at 3:40 you're removing your old motherboard by holding the CPU cooler which is a big no no. Is there something you know that I don't?
From what I know you can combine an AMD APU with any AMD dedicated GPU for a slight performance boost on the graphics side. Kind of like what Lucid did for Intel except more integrated and not requiring 3rd party software.
I love this expaining this apu.... APU by AMD... i hope this people understand.... I usr a amd apu for gaming.... Video editing, picture editing and multimedia playback
I'm set to get this in the next few months, but I was wondering how the graphics card in this compares to what Nvidia makes. Which card of theirs would it compare to?
The reason I believe is that current AMD apu's run RAM at significantly lower default clock if the board is full (1333 default) while on the intel side the RAM will run at the manufacturer's maximum rating (if my eyes were good this was 1600 RAM?). Also this varies but I have observed my gigabite MB setting clocks on my RAM much higher by default then when the same sticks were in a intel MB. Nevertheless, great video as always ! thanks.
The Freezer Pro Rev.2 is a excellent cooler, I have one, and it has served me well :) Not suprised over the results, as AMD makes great graphics cards.
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Would be a good update for this video using the Ryzen 3 2200 APU, which incorporates the VEGA 8 GPU onboard. This GPU is comparable with entry-level dedicated GPU like the Nvidia GTX 1030. I remember that you posted a video about the GTX 1030, so you already have the card to compare ;). Best regards.
By cooling the APU further than the Celeron, you allow it to do more, when comapred to the same temerature as the celeron. Even though there is no contest between the two chips, just wanted to point it out. :)
Got a Lenovo Think Pad Edge E545 with an AMD A10 5750M APU. That chip has a quad core CPU at 2.5 GHz that has turbo boost capable of up to 3.5 GHz. Mine runs around 3.2 GHz flat out and it has a Radeon 8650 GPU factory clocked at 720 MHz that I run at 1300 MHz all the time. Hasn't gotten hot yet thanks to some cooling upgrades. Works well but I really need to upgrade my RAM as I know it's holding me back right now due to it being shared between CPU and GPU. Minecraft runs around 20 FPS with light shaders and a 128x texture pack built to use the shaders at 1600x900. At that spec the GPU is only registering 45% to 55% usage. CPU also runs around 35% to 50% at the same time. Windows experience shows the RAM to be at 7.2 but I know it isn't fast enough for the GPU despite being dual channel because it's clocked at 667MHz. Need to get 16GB of 2 channel clocked at 1833MHz to max the bus speed out and get the most possible from this system. Run Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit to get the most possible from the OS.
The memory performance is lower because it has a new motherboard with different memory connections. In addition, modern CPUs often incorporate the MC (Memory Controller, not Minecraft), meaning it might be a bit slower with a different CPU.
Ty for the reply, that's quite interesting, I suspect you dont have the HW / time to see those again, but I wonder if the timings were the cause (like in my build) In case anyone wondering, I have manually lowered them and now have similar results to my intel counterpart build(a 2600K on gigabyte z68 UD3 board, same for my AMD) and now have similar results between both with still a slight advantage to the intel an no explanation for it
No, you cannot replace laptop processors period. The only thing you can change on most laptops is RAM and hard-drive. Some will allow you to change optical drive and the CPU heatsink or fan. But you can't change things like the motherboard, CPU or graphics of a laptop. Some laptops happen to come with AMD APUs, but usually those are dual-cores and while the graphics are superior to Intel, the processing is slower in the laptops. This APU is for desktop CPUs, where you would also need an AMD mobo
Maybe someone's mentioned this already, but APU's seem to benefit from higher mhz ram e.g. 1866mhz. Although this is a budget build, even 1600mhz is not much of a stretch price-wise and should show higher performance.
I though you might go into some depth on buss speeds, I/O, Graphics pipelines and CPU context switching (compute to graphics) etc... Does the APU configuration utilize it's own internal cache buffer and then the DRAM on the memory bus?
I have a a6-3670k which has slightly less performance than the 3870k and i was able to overclock it to 3.6ghz. Note however that apu benefit greatly on the graphics by increasing the ram speed (mine is currently running at dual channel 1866mhz). Also the windows performance index is not that accurate but it does give you an estimated score of your overall computer's performance. My processor's score stands at 7.4 instead of your 7.3 which is quite interesting. But i guess it is due to the fact that you did not overclock it and it's running at default core speed. Overclock your cpu, and the gpu with ram and you'll see those windows index score and benchmark scores fly off the roof.
I was surprised that my comouter seems low performing by what I expected. I have an FX 8350 (old, but still somewhat powerful) and a GTX 1070, which apparently sucks for 2D acceleration. My 3D numbers averaged 230fps, but 2D was like 9fps.
Good video! It's just a shame you didn't use 1866Mhz RAM with the APU, from what I've read those chips really get a boost from the faster memory. But then again, I guess it is a budget system.
Still using a Core 2 Quad and an ol' 4:3 monitor! Is that also a green thing (not upgrading unnecessarily) or you just don't care about HD monitors and the C2Q keeps up plenty well for your editing?
yes but upgrades will be even less possible if at all due to compatibility problems and should i want to get better gfx i will find it cheaper to buy gpu than another apu
Hi Sir! I am one of your fans!I am just curious.. Can I directly replace a cpu with an apu? For example, the budget pc that you built with a celeron.. can I replace the celeron cpu with the amd apu?Thanks!
Great to hear from a fan! :) Today most processors include a GPU of some sort. In theory there may be situations where what you suggest could happen. But in practice motherboards and their chip sockets and chip sets (that support the CPU and any GPU) change so frequently that it is very unlikely to be possible. In other words, a motherboard that supports a CPU with a GPU (what AMD call a APU) will have to be fitted with an APU already to work. Note that, to answer your specific question, Intel Celeron and AMD chips have always had different sockets and require different motherboards, so they cannot be exchange for one another.
More specifically, you would need an FM1 socket for the A8-3870K. There are certain sockets for different families of CPUs. For instance, you could not use an AMD Phenom processor in an LGA 1155 socket that is designed for Intel Sandy and Ivy Bridge processors. Even not all Intel processors work with the same socket. There is socket 1155, 1150, 2011, 1366, and a few others, all of which designed for different Intel CPUs. AMD has FM1, FM2, AM3, AM3+ and a few others for different AMD CPUs. :)
I still use totay @ 2017 my A8 3870 with an ASRock Board as media PC and it is ok with Win10. Surfing / TH-cam / Twitch and some games like Darkest Dungeon are no problem for the APU.
I used it with my E8500 for a while, but did not overclock it due to motherboard limitations. I changed it over to my i5 2400, but still did not overclock it, and it's now in my projector PC with a E7500, though , not overclocked. But I can, if I have the time. I'm currently using a GTX480, as it's the most powerful GPU I have for hand, but my other secondary computers are using AMD GPU's, and they work very well.
And after almost 6 years since release, this video shows how far we've come with integrated graphics on our 'non'-gaming systems. Ready for this weeks video Sunday!
Very true. I am currently planning a Ryzen build video series, and have been reflecting on this very point.
Here it is March, 2018 and I keep encountering the APU term, and this 2012 video explained it well...THANKS!
Thanks for removing your previous personally abusive comment.
In this video I do not say that this APU is better than having a separate graphics card, and indeed my comparison charts show that high power graphics cards like those you mention do significantly outperform APUs. However, APUs do allow PCs with reasonable graphics power to be build for low budgets, and this what I am showing here. The bottleneck argument is part of the story and made by many -- including Intel and AMD.
Hey could you do a review of AMD Ryzen 3 2200G or Ryzen 5 2400G, you have more than 100k subs, AMD would be surely kind enought to send you samples with your favourite Gigabyte boards (usually AB350N GAMING)
This video explains everything beginner needs but its a little bit outdated.
Congrats for 1 million, this still the best APU explanation video on TH-cam
Thanks.
I'm a computer technician and i use your videos to help customers understand computers
Man, Christopher really is the Bob Ross of computing videos.
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Thanks for this -- very interesting info. The RAM used here is 1333MHz.
Now that is a fantastic idea! :) I have just added this to my production list!
I love your videos! You are talking straightforward, clear and without any nonsense.
Clearly i can see that you put effort to your videos. Keep on the good work! :)
No, the GPU part of the APU takes some of the system RAM for graphics processing.
As I said above, I use the Core 2 Quad for the video editing and 3D graphics. The atom is for writing and web stuff (most of what brings the money in!). :)
AMD supplied the APU for this "review" -- to myself and many others. I think they want to keep A8s in mind alongside newer product.
Always like your videos. Keep up the good work!
Even more relaxed here. Loving that, and that you're so active lately. Cheers.
As usual, amazing job with your videos!
I know you must be really busy but I'd love to see them on a more frequent basis!
Bravo!
It's amazing what tidbits of information, one acquires from watching explaining computers. Thanks again for such informative video!!
That is a good idea -- I will add it to my production list! :)
AMD did not send me the stock heatsink for the APU, so I had to fit something else. It does not bias the performance comparison. :)
I really like the more personal perspective of this video as compared to your other vids!
I think this is a budget gaming PC! It will certainly play a lot of games pretty well. My total build cost here would be$345 + OS + monitor, so we are on roughly the same page.
Chris is my Bob Ross
The animations were done in Lightwave and composited in Adobe AfterEffects. They were done rather quickly (in about half a day) -- though I have been doing this kind of stuff for many years now! :) You could do this kind of stuff in a free package like Blender.
Do you know, that is one of the next on my list! :) The APU here is very overclockabe, and hence I will be overclocking it in a video in the new year! :)
It is one of the first 10,000rpm Western Digital raptors. And the 10,000 rpm speed does make them quite audible! :)
I think the issue here is that the 10,000rpm Raptor I used here is SATA 1. Your 7200rpm drive may also be more modern, hence with a higher capacity, hence a higher data density, hence outperforming the Raptor (which in its day was the fastest disk on the market).
Yes, somewhere between 200 and 250 degrees C would melt the plastic. But the CPU would burn out way before that (somewhere around 70-80 degrees C).
The book is nearly finished now! I will be back with loads of new videos from April onwards! :)
I use 2 PCs -- one is the Atom one I show in the "Building a Green PC" video here, which I do all of my writing and web stuff on. The other is currently a Core 2 Quad, used for video editing and 3D graphics. When this next blows up (all motherboards go eventually) I'll do a video of the rebuild, certainly. But I hope there is a good year in its motherboard yet! :)
It hope it will be sometime in the Spring of 2013 -- I am currently busy writing another book (this time on 3D Printing), and focusing on a few new "ExplainingTheFuture" videos for my other channels. A Windows history video is also a challenge to see how many versions I can get working! :) PS: I like your MS DOS icon -- very cool! :)
I am running Windows 7 -- just with a customized "classic" interface. :)
It is a first generation Western Digital Raptor 72GB (10,000rpm -- hence the noise). It just happened to be lying around for this test build. :)
It comes pre-applied on the bottom of the heatsink -- it is the gray square you see when I turn the base of the heatsink toward camera in its close up.
The reason for the slower RAM performance is because the APU uses the RAM for the video memory, too.
I feel that at some point I will have to! :)
The Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev.20 is £17.04 / $22.81 US at the time of writing on respective Amazons. I used it because AMD did not send me the stock cooler that comes "free" when you buy an AMD A8-3870K, and which would be perfectly sufficient. :)
Hello explainingcomputers i just watched your 2-3 videos.Your videos are excellent.Video quality and sounds are perfect. can you please make a video on pc assembling with proper thermal paste applying etc etc
A follow-up featuring the AMD Ryzen APUs?
MarkTheMorose also taught of it
Heat is a potential issue if you try to overclock both the CPU and GPU parts of an APU like this. I will look at this in another video! :)
There will be more videos in 2013 -- both here, and on my ExplainingTheFuture channel (where I cover things like 3D printing). :)
I like your channel, you show that you can build and play with computers without being a hardcore gamer with a GTX 680 and a i73770K.
It is a 10,000rpm Raptor hard drive -- an early one, when they made a bit of noise! :)
Yes, in many ways Intel do I think make the best CPUs/APUs. But at the lower end of the market AMD do provide some good value solutions. And here I was sent a motherboard and APU from APU for a review build! :)
Great video! I always look forward to your videos!
I did indeed first install Ubuntu on the Celeron Budget PC. But I then installed Windows 7 to run the benchmark tests before switching in the AMD APU motherboard (because I could not run Passmark under Ubuntu and wanted to do a fair test).
Yes, you got here before both me an the 720p version. :) The video is not even completely processed yet! :)
Ah, very interesting. Thanks for this. :)
I love your videos. I promise you that Apu graphics made in 2018 still will not adequately allow you to game without a dedicated graphics card. Regardless of the year the Apu is still an apu
Depends what games you want to play if you want to play the newest games it wouldn't do a good job but other than that it's performance may be surprising
Why not use the computer for something more productive then games?
Indeed! :) And at some point I may try that! :)
You.... Are a godsend. Thank you for posting these videos.
Yes, it is largely a green thing of now wanting to scrap functional kit (though the monitor is a quite new, 19w 5:4 model (1280x1024). Still most of my computing is writing, for which 4:3 or 5:4 screens are far more suited (which is why most offices still buy them). There is also the sheer agony of an upgrade! I will go to an i7 when my Core2Quad (or its motherboard) gives up! :) Though I recently upgraded the graphics card -- ses my "Graphics Card Upgrade" video! :)
Why?! It comes in a antistatic bag. Intel recommend that CPUs/APUs are fitted with the motherboard out of the case on an antistatic bag.
Powering up a motherboard on an antistatic (conductive) bag would I accept be disasterous . . . :(
*VGA PORTS!!!!* I remember those. I wonder if he has a 2018 video like this.
I have more recent build videos. :)
I love your videos, keep up the good work!
Hurrah! :) What is your processor and graphics card?
AMD are typically better value for money, and as APUs are usually shown to handle 3D graphics better. Intel CPUs/APUs have a better reputation for media encoding performance, though I've not done tests of this myself.
R5 2400G is the best miltimedia cpu of 2018 and 2019 (until December)
Upgrades to notebook processors are seldom possible I'm afraid, as they are usually soldered to the motherboard. Sorry.
Interesting. Would have been good to see power consumption figures too.
"And here we see floating jellyfish in space, quite a common problem these days isn't it?" Oh my god I just bursed out laughing!
Hello ExplainingComputers! Great job with another intertesting vid, however you didn't cover up the crossfire between AMD's APU with ATI's GPU. Tbh there isn't much info out there on how the graphic boost works(is the performance increase ratio based on the gpu performance, does it work with all ati gpus, does the gpu work at a slower clockspeed like 2 graphicboards do in crossfire?)
Do you think you can make a 2nd vid for this particular topic?
Cheers!
SIR CAN WE BUILD A CPU WITH USING 5 OR 6 >>>WASTED THROWN AWAY OLD BUT IN GOOD WORKING CONDITION
Uhm, that is a very interesting point! :)
it depend in your usage, take an APU if you want a budget gaming pc, for heavy multithreading applications, take an FX 8 Cores.
Ahhh, that makes sense. Yes I saw the GTX 650 upgrade video :)
I'm currently running a Q6600 C2Q 2.4 but want to upgrade that at some point since it simply doesn't keep up for modern games and 1080p video exports are rather slow (also due to me not having editing software that takes advantage of GPU rendering). I'm rather interested in AMD's next FX processors coming out in Q4, supposedly better energy consumption than prev generations. If that flops, then an Intel i5 will do just fine too!
Yes, no problem. :)
I love your videos! I wish you were my professor.
Hi Chris. Love your very informative videos and your no nonsense explanations.
However at 3:40 you're removing your old motherboard by holding the CPU cooler which is a big no no. Is there something you know that I don't?
From what I know you can combine an AMD APU with any AMD dedicated GPU for a slight performance boost on the graphics side. Kind of like what Lucid did for Intel except more integrated and not requiring 3rd party software.
Nice video! i've been waiting :D
I love this expaining this apu.... APU by AMD... i hope this people understand.... I usr a amd apu for gaming.... Video editing, picture editing and multimedia playback
I'm set to get this in the next few months, but I was wondering how the graphics card in this compares to what Nvidia makes. Which card of theirs would it compare to?
The reason I believe is that current AMD apu's run RAM at significantly lower default clock if the board is full (1333 default) while on the intel side the RAM will run at the manufacturer's maximum rating (if my eyes were good this was 1600 RAM?). Also this varies but I have observed my gigabite MB setting clocks on my RAM much higher by default then when the same sticks were in a intel MB. Nevertheless, great video as always ! thanks.
Set for the video.
The Freezer Pro Rev.2 is a excellent cooler, I have one, and it has served me well :) Not suprised over the results, as AMD makes great graphics cards.
Would be a good update for this video using the Ryzen 3 2200 APU, which incorporates the VEGA 8 GPU onboard. This GPU is comparable with entry-level dedicated GPU like the Nvidia GTX 1030. I remember that you posted a video about the GTX 1030, so you already have the card to compare ;). Best regards.
Nice idea; noted. :)
By cooling the APU further than the Celeron, you allow it to do more, when comapred to the same temerature as the celeron. Even though there is no contest between the two chips, just wanted to point it out. :)
Thanks dude for the nice info!!
Awesome! Nice technology and nice video. Thanks
Although this was a good presentation, I appreciate the higher energy videos of the modern era.
GizmoFromPizmo That's not very green of you
Note: there are also E-Serie APU, they are just great for green and silent HTPC
Got a Lenovo Think Pad Edge E545 with an AMD A10 5750M APU. That chip has a quad core CPU at 2.5 GHz that has turbo boost capable of up to 3.5 GHz. Mine runs around 3.2 GHz flat out and it has a Radeon 8650 GPU factory clocked at 720 MHz that I run at 1300 MHz all the time. Hasn't gotten hot yet thanks to some cooling upgrades. Works well but I really need to upgrade my RAM as I know it's holding me back right now due to it being shared between CPU and GPU. Minecraft runs around 20 FPS with light shaders and a 128x texture pack built to use the shaders at 1600x900. At that spec the GPU is only registering 45% to 55% usage. CPU also runs around 35% to 50% at the same time. Windows experience shows the RAM to be at 7.2 but I know it isn't fast enough for the GPU despite being dual channel because it's clocked at 667MHz. Need to get 16GB of 2 channel clocked at 1833MHz to max the bus speed out and get the most possible from this system. Run Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit to get the most possible from the OS.
The memory performance is lower because it has a new motherboard with different memory connections. In addition, modern CPUs often incorporate the MC (Memory Controller, not Minecraft), meaning it might be a bit slower with a different CPU.
Ty for the reply, that's quite interesting, I suspect you dont have the HW / time to see those again, but I wonder if the timings were the cause (like in my build) In case anyone wondering, I have manually lowered them and now have similar results to my intel counterpart build(a 2600K on gigabyte z68 UD3 board, same for my AMD) and now have similar results between both with still a slight advantage to the intel an no explanation for it
Good video!,but why you use the old Lano APU and not the trinity.
On the day you maked that video the trinitys are on the market.
Well, still got your sense of humor though :) Very good and explaining video!
Can't help but notice the high DPI settings you have.
No, you cannot replace laptop processors period. The only thing you can change on most laptops is RAM and hard-drive. Some will allow you to change optical drive and the CPU heatsink or fan. But you can't change things like the motherboard, CPU or graphics of a laptop.
Some laptops happen to come with AMD APUs, but usually those are dual-cores and while the graphics are superior to Intel, the processing is slower in the laptops.
This APU is for desktop CPUs, where you would also need an AMD mobo
Maybe someone's mentioned this already, but APU's seem to benefit from higher mhz ram e.g. 1866mhz. Although this is a budget build, even 1600mhz is not much of a stretch price-wise and should show higher performance.
I though you might go into some depth on buss speeds, I/O, Graphics pipelines and CPU context switching (compute to graphics) etc... Does the APU configuration utilize it's own internal cache buffer and then the DRAM on the memory bus?
I have a a6-3670k which has slightly less performance than the 3870k and i was able to overclock it to 3.6ghz. Note however that apu benefit greatly on the graphics by increasing the ram speed (mine is currently running at dual channel 1866mhz). Also the windows performance index is not that accurate but it does give you an estimated score of your overall computer's performance. My processor's score stands at 7.4 instead of your 7.3 which is quite interesting. But i guess it is due to the fact that you did not overclock it and it's running at default core speed. Overclock your cpu, and the gpu with ram and you'll see those windows index score and benchmark scores fly off the roof.
I was surprised that my comouter seems low performing by what I expected. I have an FX 8350 (old, but still somewhat powerful) and a GTX 1070, which apparently sucks for 2D acceleration. My 3D numbers averaged 230fps, but 2D was like 9fps.
Good video! It's just a shame you didn't use 1866Mhz RAM with the APU, from what I've read those chips really get a boost from the faster memory. But then again, I guess it is a budget system.
I personally am looking forward to the Haswell series from Intel because the integrated graphics should be fantastic.
Still using a Core 2 Quad and an ol' 4:3 monitor! Is that also a green thing (not upgrading unnecessarily) or you just don't care about HD monitors and the C2Q keeps up plenty well for your editing?
yes but upgrades will be even less possible if at all due to compatibility problems
and should i want to get better gfx i will find it cheaper to buy gpu than another apu
Yes! :)
Hi Sir! I am one of your fans!I am just curious.. Can I directly replace a cpu with an apu? For example, the budget pc that you built with a celeron.. can I replace the celeron cpu with the amd apu?Thanks!
Great to hear from a fan! :) Today most processors include a GPU of some sort. In theory there may be situations where what you suggest could happen. But in practice motherboards and their chip sockets and chip sets (that support the CPU and any GPU) change so frequently that it is very unlikely to be possible. In other words, a motherboard that supports a CPU with a GPU (what AMD call a APU) will have to be fitted with an APU already to work. Note that, to answer your specific question, Intel Celeron and AMD chips have always had different sockets and require different motherboards, so they cannot be exchange for one another.
I understand now Sir.. Intel and AMD chips require different motherboards because they have different sockets.. Thank you Sir!
More specifically, you would need an FM1 socket for the A8-3870K. There are certain sockets for different families of CPUs. For instance, you could not use an AMD Phenom processor in an LGA 1155 socket that is designed for Intel Sandy and Ivy Bridge processors. Even not all Intel processors work with the same socket. There is socket 1155, 1150, 2011, 1366, and a few others, all of which designed for different Intel CPUs. AMD has FM1, FM2, AM3, AM3+ and a few others for different AMD CPUs. :)
I still use totay @ 2017 my A8 3870 with an ASRock Board as media PC and it is ok with Win10. Surfing / TH-cam / Twitch and some games like Darkest Dungeon are no problem for the APU.
I used it with my E8500 for a while, but did not overclock it due to motherboard limitations. I changed it over to my i5 2400, but still did not overclock it, and it's now in my projector PC with a E7500, though , not overclocked. But I can, if I have the time. I'm currently using a GTX480, as it's the most powerful GPU I have for hand, but my other secondary computers are using AMD GPU's, and they work very well.