This isn't the first time in the series that we see electricity, we also see it with one of Nappa's attacks back in the Saiyan saga. I think the electricity is more to represent unstable ki (though this is just my head canon).
I'd like to add that some people say that Trunks surpassed Vegeta. But I'd to say that Vegeta was able to push even further with that grade 2 form, but chose not to because he knew of the downside of the form. Same way Goku noticed it, Vegeta is just as knowledgeable with transformations. Trunks was the rookie that just kept pushing.
@@alexglenn2122 I think vegeta comment about that's why he didnt use it. Trunks said that he was surpassing his father so I dont think he knew vegeta had the form.
Its hinted that he's using a bit of ultra instinct in the super saiyan blue form. Like when trunk turns into super saiyan rage its hinted he's using a bit of god ki in the super saiyan form.
Black Reaper I was talking about during the CELL saga. Yes Vegeta does become Super Saiyan 2 later on after the Cell Saga. What I am trying to say is: Both Vegeta and Gohan AND EVEN Future Trunks and Goku surpassed Super Saiyan, but Gohan did it RIGHT. Vegeta and Future Trunks did it WRONG, and Goku only mastered the first Super Saiyan level and used it's full power.
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Grades 1 and 2 may consume too much energy to be practical in combat, but i've always thought they'd have a very practical use in training, specifically to increase endurance and energy efficiency/control. Essentially, they'd be forms that replace the weighted clothing and increased gravity chambers of previous arcs. Imagine if a character like, say, Vegeta had applied the training method Goku had applied to Grade 1 in the hyperbolic time chamber - stay in the form as long as possible until the body adapted to it and the base energy pool you had access to increased so much that you could stay in that form indefinitely - and applied it to the higher grades, essentially "upping the difficulty levels" to achieve a higher mastery.
Staying in super saiyan for days on end will help maintain and reduce draining of energy But training in super saiyan as stated multiple times in the anime slows down their progress they gain more power training in their base forma
@@distortiontildeafness grade 1 is the forms trunks and vegeta are in when vegeta fights Stage 2 Cell and when Vegeta and trunks foght each other. Grade 2 is the form Trunks uses to fight perfect cell and that Goku taps into briefly in the hyperbolic time chamber before explaining to Gohan that the forms have no combat purpose
To be fair, he literally says "I am Super Vegeta!" in the anime during his fight with Semi Cell (can't remember if he states this in the manga as well, but he definitely does in the anime).
Grade 2 would have also been enough to take out Future 17/18 & Future Cell, so Trunks would have been good as soon as he left the Time Chamber the first time
This video feels like is 50% Geekdom making sure people know what the official name of the transformation is. Geekdom really wants us to know it’s not Ascended or Ultra SSJ
Huge numbers of DB fans are really ill informed about lots of things, so what do you expect? I really hope he does the same thing with "Mystic Gohan btw"
It's not about it being factual information. It's about the effect of repeated information to the point you start to question whether Geekdom thinks we, as an audience, are so retarded to not have a decent memory span.
As someone who watched all of DBZ and beyond when I was a pre teen, I just want to say I truly appreciate your videos. It gets me hyped up like a kid again hearing someone going into insane detail about the lore and transformations of all of the characters. Please keep doing what you do. I am so glad that DBZ is still around to this day and I hope that your videos reach to the younger generation of fans.
What about the 1st dragonballz budokai game when they called it "super trunks" and "super trunks 2" o know it's just a game but just wanted to add the extra knowledge.....
By your logic, you’re stating that super saiyan grades 2 and 3 are transformations because they change the shape and the hair gets spikier, also Toriyama recently said that the super saiyan 2 and 3 are just powered up versions of the super saiyan for a few years ago
Electrical discharge show up in many moments of the series starting from Saiyan Arc when Nappa actually has it while powering up. It's like you said - some additional element showing up when the creators trying to point out to the audience that the attack is powerful.
As far as I know, the name "Super" for Vegeta trunks etc came from a lot of the games, as I remember in Final bout and UB22 both having Super Goku as a different form to super saiyan (probably translated wrong as it wasn't ss grade 2 or 3)
man I have to say, I've been a fan of DB for quite a while now and you sir have REALLY fuckin taught me a lot...like your knowledge of this series is actually insane
I really appreciate the way you break this stuff down. Thanks! I still get goosebumps at the point in the episode where he socks Semi-Perfect Cell right in the gut and it ends on the image of that!
I remember the "Ascended Saiyan" localisation confused me at the time, when I was a teenager, because I always thought of Vegeta's and Trunks' forms to technically be Super Saiyan 2, just like a subdued version of it, or like a cheat of sorts to achieve tapping into its power.
I don’t usually watch these videos but I don’t remember a time in my life when I wasn’t a fan of Dragon ball and I’m 22 so special shout out to Kurtis.
Vegeta couldve went further like trunks did but he realized the weaknesses of the form. Trucks just kept powering up. Vegeta didnt try to power up anymore. Trunks just kept goin & going. Gettin stronger but also getting slower.
Grade 2/Super Vegeta is super saiyan pushed to its max output before drawbacks emerge. He peaked the form. He knew when it was pushed as far as it could go. Any further and you got a grade three Trunks debacle. It does use more stamina but you still maintain plenty of speed and agility.
Exactly, I think this form is stronger than grade 4, yeah it consumes more energy, stamina and maybe makes you fight worse because you are more nervous , but stronger
@Geekdom101 great content as always, I'd like to hear your thoughts on which SSJ form you think is a more power efficient form and would like to see used more.
Rashawn Jordan just to toss in my $.02 if they can all be mastered like regular ssj was then ssj2 is probably the most efficient for a power over energy need/consumption.
Rashawn Jordan we also have yet to see what a mastered ssj3 could produce. It’s very probable that if it can be mastered on the same level as ssj that it could be the most efficient.
Having read the manga only up to the end of the Freeza arc, I'm actually very interested to have learned that Vegeta stopped using this form by the Cell Games, in the manga. I never understood why Vegeta continued using it and didn't seem to develop at all, following his fight with Cell, despite having learned about how Goku and Gohan unlocked the greater Super Saiyan power and spending another year in the Room of Spirit and Time. I get why the animators chose to remain on-model for his newer look, but I'm glad that Toriyama, at least, addressed this, to some degree.
I mean, it would be totally on brand for Vegeta to be stubborn and keep trying to push his path further beyond what Goku was doing rather than follow in his footsteps lol But it is good he had the wisdom to set aside his pride and try to figure out where he went wrong
About grade two having the effect that Vegetas hair turned longer reminds me of the SSJ3 transformation. I’m not sure where I heard it but isn’t that form a (energy-) pumped up version of the SSJ2? Like a grade 2 for SSJ2 but being it’s own transformation. A well what do I know but it certainly sounds interesting
Things like this makes me wonder what the big diffrence was between Gokus regular SSJ form from Namek to when he battled Cell. Not talking about how Goku was stronger but the transformation.
Super Saiyan Blue is a form that combines the power of Super Saiyan God with the first Super Saiyan form, so i would assume that with enough training they can do a form that combines the power of Super Saiyan God with the second Super Saiyan form and third Super Saiyan form. i also assume that vegeta's Blue Evolved form is a form that combines the power of Super Saiyan God with the Ascended Super Saiyan form.
"Buff form" seems like an ability anyone in the Dragonball universe can do. Most races featured seem to possess a version of it. "Ascended Saiyan" seems like it's simply Super Saiyan plus "buff form".
The biggest confusion was caused by the dub itself by refering to both Super Vegeta/USSJ states as well as SSJ2 as "Ascended Saiyan" or "ascended to the next level". Goku vs. Majin Buu is the first to finally call it SSJ2.
The electrical discharge is coming from the final flash, not from the form. The discharges are all coming from Vegeta’s cupped hands. On the wide shot we don’t see the hands but given that they’re the origin when close up, we can reasonably assume the discharge is coming from the hands in the wide shots.
Daizenshuu pretty much states that the Super Saiyan must use Ki to inflate the muscles in order to draw out more Super Saiyan power. So Grade 2, 3, and 4 are essentially about drawing out more of the Super Saiyan potential but Grade 2 and 3 do it by inflating the muscles in the Grade 1 state while the flaws of Grade 1 are minimized or negated in Grade 4 which is another way of drawing out more Super Saiyan power.
One thing that I have to disagree with is the point of electricity you brought up. I have always noticed this during the Final Flash move, no matter the form Vegeta is in, that it has electricity. I feel it was used more for the the technique of the Final Flash rather than the transformation (grade 2) itself. Also it is more of a golden color (in the anime) then the more white/blue that we see in super saiyan 2. However this is just a feeling I have and don't really have evidence to back it up.
Nice to see a mention of the hair becoming a bit more wild/thick. That aspect of the design tends to get less remembered, due to the more noticeable bulking up of the form. Even the games seldomly alters the hair slightly for that form when it appears in them. I believe Budokai 1 had that extra attention to detail put into Super Vegeta's model, though.
What's interesting to note in terms of the electricity surrounding vegeta is yellow and ssj2 electricity is blue and looks thinner and even when gohan gets hit by cell when he powered up Gohan's electricity becomes violent it seems to be not just a high level of power but his anger too.
That's crazy you mentioned Curtis Hoffman cause his name would pop up alot in the 90's when it came to DB and dbz but I never knew why his name was mentioned, I thought he was a developer or voice actor or something.
Yo this was my favorite form for Vegeta because to me it was his most iconic form to me during the Androids Arc of the story. But honestly his best character work was in Z because we saw different layers to his character whether that be his obsession with his position as an elite during the Saiyan Arc and looking down on those who are beneath him in status. Even later in the Frieza Saga with his desire to become the most powerful by any means necessary even exploiting boosts in power through multiple parts of this arc and even later in the Androids Saga with his obsession of wanting to surpass Goku. And more importantly during that arc his relationship with his son Trunks,who even refers to Vegeta as being lonely which is what us as the audience wouldn’t be a characteristic associated with Vegeta,and Trunks knows this by not only his observation but also the observation of his mother. Going into the Majin Buu Arc this is pushed to its natural breaking point where we see that Vegeta has developed a better relationship with his son and even wife,living at Capsule Corp after the death of his greatest rival Goku seven years prior during the battle with Cell.
Power up in ssg1 means you just draw out more power at constant rate. Transformation is like tapping into a higher overall pool of power. Think llike microscope. You pick level 10x and then you focus it up and down to see best pictures. Then suddenly realize hey i can use 100x and see even better.
geekdom the electricity is actually the power of the final flash being charged, we've seen this in the tournament of power arc as well, when he is in blue
I couldn't found anything about this form till I first seen after that day I randomly typed in USSJ it popped up as SSJ grade 2 until I just found out I been calling it wrong but this videoes about the SSJ forms I keep on learning new stuff about em like this I'm looking forward to see the next SSJ grade is.
I like to refer to that form as Ultra Super Saiyan which I also consider Broly Legendary Super Saiyan form as Ultra Super Saiyan because the muscles are all bulky like trunks did
I wouldn't say Blue evolution is a homage. Goku explained that blue is basically the super saiyan transformation using god ki. I think Blue Evolution was Vegeta using SS Grade 2 + god ki.
I don't think this is the case. The power multiplier for SS Grade 2 is under 2x that of SS since SS2 is a 100x total multiplier. I'm guessing that SSBE is roughly a 20x of SSB multiplier since in that form Vegeta appears to be comparable in strength to Goku with the SSB KK x20.
Do you think that since Goku can use god ki to enhance his regular SSJ transformation (Super Saiyan Blue), he can theoretically use it to enhance his OTHER transformations SSJ2, SSJ3)? Or is SSJ Blue a transformation separate/removed from the regular SSJ line?
Pretty sure the electricity on vegeta was just because of the final flash, not the form
Ikr. Sometimes this guy is stupid 🙄
I always contributed the blue electricity with ssj2, vegetas electricity was yellow, and seemed to just be used for the final flash
Noah Fleming exactly sometimes Geekdom makes mistakes
This isn't the first time in the series that we see electricity, we also see it with one of Nappa's attacks back in the Saiyan saga.
I think the electricity is more to represent unstable ki (though this is just my head canon).
It definitely was.
I'd like to add that some people say that Trunks surpassed Vegeta. But I'd to say that Vegeta was able to push even further with that grade 2 form, but chose not to because he knew of the downside of the form. Same way Goku noticed it, Vegeta is just as knowledgeable with transformations. Trunks was the rookie that just kept pushing.
Exactly! I hate how many people miss this!
People do always forget that Trunks himself said something along the lines of "so this is why he didn't use this form".
@geekdom101 any commentary about this one.
Pretty sure Cell explicitly states this.
@@alexglenn2122 I think vegeta comment about that's why he didnt use it. Trunks said that he was surpassing his father so I dont think he knew vegeta had the form.
I’m almost convinced that Vegeta’s Blue Evolution is the SS Grade 2-equivalent to SSB.
He literally said that in the video. 🤨
Dose super sayain grade 2 slow down speed
tvv bg no
Oh thx
Its hinted that he's using a bit of ultra instinct in the super saiyan blue form. Like when trunk turns into super saiyan rage its hinted he's using a bit of god ki in the super saiyan form.
Even though he didn't reach Super Saiyan 2 like Gohan, Vegeta STILL was the first Saiyan to ascend above Super Saiyan!😄
Yeah he did. He had it in the Buu arc
Black Reaper I was talking about during the CELL saga. Yes Vegeta does become Super Saiyan 2 later on after the Cell Saga.
What I am trying to say is: Both Vegeta and Gohan AND EVEN Future Trunks and Goku surpassed Super Saiyan, but Gohan did it RIGHT. Vegeta and Future Trunks did it WRONG, and Goku only mastered the first Super Saiyan level and used it's full power.
yamoshi went ssjg right??
Tanishq Raj Yes. He was the FIRST ssjg. Hopefully he will appear in the Future of Dragon Ball Super after Moro.
Only because Goku let Vegeta go first in the Hyperbolic time chamber
"Ultra super saiyan" way to make me feel old Geekdom 😂
Ifkr and I'm not even that old.
LoL USSJ
If you remember "Ultra Super Saiyan" you're entitled to a OG veterans discount.
This works at any store, whether or not they offer veterans discounts, and gets you a life time once a day pass to the back.
@@bigbrainanime9485 ha.
Grade 3 = USSJ.
I’m waiting for the day Geek tells us how to transform irl
Inject yourself with S-cells.
Train hard.
Get strong.
Get mad.
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.
.
Profit.
Bath salts.
Dont forget to spike it up
Just feel the thingly feeling on your back, bro.... Its super easy. I already did it myself, and I've achieved SSJ2.
@@genericworks9092 and dont forget feel an upgraded tingly in your back to top it off
Grades 1 and 2 may consume too much energy to be practical in combat, but i've always thought they'd have a very practical use in training, specifically to increase endurance and energy efficiency/control.
Essentially, they'd be forms that replace the weighted clothing and increased gravity chambers of previous arcs. Imagine if a character like, say, Vegeta had applied the training method Goku had applied to Grade 1 in the hyperbolic time chamber - stay in the form as long as possible until the body adapted to it and the base energy pool you had access to increased so much that you could stay in that form indefinitely - and applied it to the higher grades, essentially "upping the difficulty levels" to achieve a higher mastery.
thats what i think too. after goku manages to do so he would be able to push kaioken even further beyond
Staying in super saiyan for days on end will help maintain and reduce draining of energy But training in super saiyan as stated multiple times in the anime slows down their progress they gain more power training in their base forma
So grade 1 is above original super saiyan? What's the difference between grades 1 and 2?
@@distortiontildeafness grade 1 is the forms trunks and vegeta are in when vegeta fights Stage 2 Cell and when Vegeta and trunks foght each other. Grade 2 is the form Trunks uses to fight perfect cell and that Goku taps into briefly in the hyperbolic time chamber before explaining to Gohan that the forms have no combat purpose
@@dmore454 So u mean doing what Goku & Gohan did with regular SSJ but instead do it with Grade 2?
Bruh. Buff Super Saiyan Vegeta is just "Super Vegeta" to me. I go off the video games 😎
Boristien405 Science.
To be fair, he literally says "I am Super Vegeta!" in the anime during his fight with Semi Cell (can't remember if he states this in the manga as well, but he definitely does in the anime).
Grade 2 would have also been enough to take out Future 17/18 & Future Cell, so Trunks would have been good as soon as he left the Time Chamber the first time
Thats him in Dragonball Legends
@@jimguy8754 stop 🛑 I don’t know what to do with the kids cursing at me
As a kid I always it Super Vegeta, but that was back then
This video feels like is 50% Geekdom making sure people know what the official name of the transformation is. Geekdom really wants us to know it’s not Ascended or Ultra SSJ
Huge numbers of DB fans are really ill informed about lots of things, so what do you expect?
I really hope he does the same thing with "Mystic Gohan btw"
@@SaturnineXTS it's not called mystic, its ultimate
@@brandonlaferney937 no shit bro
It's not about it being factual information. It's about the effect of repeated information to the point you start to question whether Geekdom thinks we, as an audience, are so retarded to not have a decent memory span.
facts, i even said out loud at one point, "We get it."
As someone who watched all of DBZ and beyond when I was a pre teen, I just want to say I truly appreciate your videos. It gets me hyped up like a kid again hearing someone going into insane detail about the lore and transformations of all of the characters. Please keep doing what you do. I am so glad that DBZ is still around to this day and I hope that your videos reach to the younger generation of fans.
Man you wasn't bullshitting, the new series is quality and consistent. Definitely waiting on some of the non-saiyan transformations
What about the 1st dragonballz budokai game when they called it "super trunks" and "super trunks 2" o know it's just a game but just wanted to add the extra knowledge.....
word i remember
Love these lore videos. Perfect for listening to while driving. Emphasis on listening.
Im lowkey glad your going through each Super Saiyan form, going into detail about each one
This was my favorite form of SSJ back in the day, thanks for covering it Geekdom!
●Super Saiyan
•Grade 1: Super Saiyan
•Grade 2: Super Saiyan Ultra
•Grade 3: Super Saiyan Ultra 2
•Grade 4: Super Saiyan Mastered (Full Power)
●Ascended Super Saiyan
•Grade 1: Super Saiyan 2
●Beyond Ascended Super Saiyan
•Super Saiyan 3
We’re super saiyan 2 and 3 considered transformations back then? 20 years ago?
By your logic, you’re stating that super saiyan grades 2 and 3 are transformations because they change the shape and the hair gets spikier, also Toriyama recently said that the super saiyan 2 and 3 are just powered up versions of the super saiyan for a few years ago
Electrical discharge show up in many moments of the series starting from Saiyan Arc when Nappa actually has it while powering up. It's like you said - some additional element showing up when the creators trying to point out to the audience that the attack is powerful.
Super Saiyan Grade 2 is personally one of my favorite forms because it gives you that muscle buff.
As far as I know, the name "Super" for Vegeta trunks etc came from a lot of the games, as I remember in Final bout and UB22 both having Super Goku as a different form to super saiyan (probably translated wrong as it wasn't ss grade 2 or 3)
I was looking for this comment. Remember super buu and super uub 😂
Electricity from vegeta was yellow..bc the final flash is yellow. Ssj2 electricity is blue. So it actually was the first form to display that.
They had electricity before Super saiyan was ever introduced
man I have to say, I've been a fan of DB for quite a while now and you sir have REALLY fuckin taught me a lot...like your knowledge of this series is actually insane
I really appreciate the way you break this stuff down. Thanks! I still get goosebumps at the point in the episode where he socks Semi-Perfect Cell right in the gut and it ends on the image of that!
I remember the "Ascended Saiyan" localisation confused me at the time, when I was a teenager, because I always thought of Vegeta's and Trunks' forms to technically be Super Saiyan 2, just like a subdued version of it, or like a cheat of sorts to achieve tapping into its power.
Geekdom do a video on piercing ki attack.(self-destruct, kienzan and special beam cannon)
That's a bland subject.
How
I don’t usually watch these videos but I don’t remember a time in my life when I wasn’t a fan of Dragon ball and I’m 22 so special shout out to Kurtis.
Super Vegeta/Trunks were so badass.
This whole time I sortve assumed "ascended super saiyan" was another name for ssj2. Thanks for teaching me something new
Vegeta couldve went further like trunks did but he realized the weaknesses of the form. Trucks just kept powering up. Vegeta didnt try to power up anymore. Trunks just kept goin & going. Gettin stronger but also getting slower.
I love these videos bro, keepem comin
YOU SHOULD REALLY CONTINUE WITH THE SERIES
Grade 2/Super Vegeta is super saiyan pushed to its max output before drawbacks emerge. He peaked the form. He knew when it was pushed as far as it could go. Any further and you got a grade three Trunks debacle. It does use more stamina but you still maintain plenty of speed and agility.
Exactly, I think this form is stronger than grade 4, yeah it consumes more energy, stamina and maybe makes you fight worse because you are more nervous , but stronger
Our boy is honoring what his name stands for. Dragon Ball 101.
This is a damn good videoseries, good job geekdom :)
Geekdoms vids always sound like the beginning to my English papers smh
Do you still get A's on your papers?
@@oshanew9941 he is Asian, dont need to ask questions xd
@@egz3637 I knew a few Asian guys in high school and I got better grades than them and I'm a black guy.
@@oshanew9941 r/wooooosh
@@egz3637 r/whooosh for missing the underlying joke in my comment
I really like this series. Very insightful and a nice series to help carry you over until the anime starts back up lol. Can't wait
A million subs in no time!
@Geekdom101 great content as always, I'd like to hear your thoughts on which SSJ form you think is a more power efficient form and would like to see used more.
Rashawn Jordan just to toss in my $.02 if they can all be mastered like regular ssj was then ssj2 is probably the most efficient for a power over energy need/consumption.
@@PlayerJay425 I agree, so far that's the only form that hadn't had any draw backs
What about SSJ God?
@Lakers fan thats bcoz their base form were stronger😂😂
Ssj2 multiplier remains the same
Rashawn Jordan we also have yet to see what a mastered ssj3 could produce. It’s very probable that if it can be mastered on the same level as ssj that it could be the most efficient.
Having read the manga only up to the end of the Freeza arc, I'm actually very interested to have learned that Vegeta stopped using this form by the Cell Games, in the manga. I never understood why Vegeta continued using it and didn't seem to develop at all, following his fight with Cell, despite having learned about how Goku and Gohan unlocked the greater Super Saiyan power and spending another year in the Room of Spirit and Time. I get why the animators chose to remain on-model for his newer look, but I'm glad that Toriyama, at least, addressed this, to some degree.
I mean, it would be totally on brand for Vegeta to be stubborn and keep trying to push his path further beyond what Goku was doing rather than follow in his footsteps lol
But it is good he had the wisdom to set aside his pride and try to figure out where he went wrong
_To Super Saiyan Infinity and _*_BEYOND_*
He’s doing the grades?! Cool.
About grade two having the effect that Vegetas hair turned longer reminds me of the SSJ3 transformation. I’m not sure where I heard it but isn’t that form a (energy-) pumped up version of the SSJ2? Like a grade 2 for SSJ2 but being it’s own transformation. A well what do I know but it certainly sounds interesting
Will you be covering Cell's version of Saiyan transformations? It really irks me when people say Cell never used Super Saiyan.
Bill Silvia ikr
He used super Saiyan 1
7:19 technically the kaioken also had electricity around and some characters also had electricity when powering up like nappa
Things like this makes me wonder what the big diffrence was between Gokus regular SSJ form from Namek to when he battled Cell. Not talking about how Goku was stronger but the transformation.
Geekdom101. Says Ascended Super Saiyan is the incorrect name for transformation.
Names video Ascended Super Saiyan Explained.
I cant wait for the next episode and see what Geekdom thinks of Trunks' SuperDuper Sayain.
Reminds me of highschool in 1998, looking up any info I could about Dragon Ball.
Really enjoyed this one. Took me back in time for a little.
I was about 9 or 10 when the episode where Goku first went Super Sayian and it was one of the coolest things I've ever saw!!
Damn geekdom give a brother a little taste of the good stuff and gotta wait for the next video 🤣.
Super Saiyan Blue is a form that combines the power of Super Saiyan God with the first Super Saiyan form, so i would assume that with enough training they can do a form that combines the power of Super Saiyan God with the second Super Saiyan form and third Super Saiyan form. i also assume that vegeta's Blue Evolved form is a form that combines the power of Super Saiyan God with the Ascended Super Saiyan form.
LOL Bro, I always used the names Super Vegeta and Super Trunks back in the day!
How does geekdom not have 1 mill subs
This had no information that was already widely know. These videos are always hit or miss for new information...
Im lovin these videos bro
"Buff form" seems like an ability anyone in the Dragonball universe can do. Most races featured seem to possess a version of it. "Ascended Saiyan" seems like it's simply Super Saiyan plus "buff form".
Yeah i almost dont even count it as a form its just a power up , even master roshi does it
The biggest confusion was caused by the dub itself by refering to both Super Vegeta/USSJ states as well as SSJ2 as "Ascended Saiyan" or "ascended to the next level". Goku vs. Majin Buu is the first to finally call it SSJ2.
The electrical discharge is coming from the final flash, not from the form. The discharges are all coming from Vegeta’s cupped hands. On the wide shot we don’t see the hands but given that they’re the origin when close up, we can reasonably assume the discharge is coming from the hands in the wide shots.
Correct
I used to call it Super Saiyan - Hyper Saiyan and Ultra Saiyan instead of ss - ss2 and ss3
I never considered buff saiyans as anything but a buff ssj.
Same
Like how he uses the DB Legends art at 9:19
Also i like this form so much, that i actually gave it to Bardock's clone in my fanfics
I’m geeked up! 😁
“He gets really big, but really slow.”
Ayy man it’s not about the size of the boat it’s about the motion of the ocean
Hey Danny, can you make a video about how the 30th Anniversary blu-rays are ass? Thank you.
Daizenshuu pretty much states that the Super Saiyan must use Ki to inflate the muscles in order to draw out more Super Saiyan power. So Grade 2, 3, and 4 are essentially about drawing out more of the Super Saiyan potential but Grade 2 and 3 do it by inflating the muscles in the Grade 1 state while the flaws of Grade 1 are minimized or negated in Grade 4 which is another way of drawing out more Super Saiyan power.
Great Scott! I'm just now realizing that, based on your description here, Super Saiyan 3 is really just Super Saiyan 2 Grade 2.
One thing that I have to disagree with is the point of electricity you brought up. I have always noticed this during the Final Flash move, no matter the form Vegeta is in, that it has electricity. I feel it was used more for the the technique of the Final Flash rather than the transformation (grade 2) itself. Also it is more of a golden color (in the anime) then the more white/blue that we see in super saiyan 2. However this is just a feeling I have and don't really have evidence to back it up.
Nice to see a mention of the hair becoming a bit more wild/thick. That aspect of the design tends to get less remembered, due to the more noticeable bulking up of the form. Even the games seldomly alters the hair slightly for that form when it appears in them. I believe Budokai 1 had that extra attention to detail put into Super Vegeta's model, though.
Grade 2 is on my top 3 for ssj forms
What's interesting to note in terms of the electricity surrounding vegeta is yellow and ssj2 electricity is blue and looks thinner and even when gohan gets hit by cell when he powered up Gohan's electricity becomes violent it seems to be not just a high level of power but his anger too.
That's crazy you mentioned Curtis Hoffman cause his name would pop up alot in the 90's when it came to DB and dbz but I never knew why his name was mentioned, I thought he was a developer or voice actor or something.
Too many people make the mistake and say this form reduces speed. But no that is grade 3.
This form doesn't really have any drawbacks when u think about it. It's just the other forms are more powerful.
Yo this was my favorite form for Vegeta because to me it was his most iconic form to me during the Androids Arc of the story.
But honestly his best character work was in Z because we saw different layers to his character whether that be his obsession with his position as an elite during the Saiyan Arc and looking down on those who are beneath him in status.
Even later in the Frieza Saga with his desire to become the most powerful by any means necessary even exploiting boosts in power through multiple parts of this arc and even later in the Androids Saga with his obsession of wanting to surpass Goku.
And more importantly during that arc his relationship with his son Trunks,who even refers to Vegeta as being lonely which is what us as the audience wouldn’t be a characteristic associated with Vegeta,and Trunks knows this by not only his observation but also the observation of his mother.
Going into the Majin Buu Arc this is pushed to its natural breaking point where we see that Vegeta has developed a better relationship with his son and even wife,living at Capsule Corp after the death of his greatest rival Goku seven years prior during the battle with Cell.
6:06 - 6:10....Vegeta’s new body was too much for Cell...🤭*chuckles*🤭
Geekdom please do a video explaining the mess with funamtion and toai and sean schemel.
Hey Greekdom are you doing all the forms in the series ?
Two days ago started looking up about the grades. Came across this. Stop stalking me geekdom
Can you explain the difference between a transformation and a power up please I don't understand it cheers
Power up in ssg1 means you just draw out more power at constant rate. Transformation is like tapping into a higher overall pool of power. Think llike microscope. You pick level 10x and then you focus it up and down to see best pictures. Then suddenly realize hey i can use 100x and see even better.
when you do trunks can you please explain that trunks was possibly only stronger because he didn't know better not to sacrifice speed when vegeta did
geekdom the electricity is actually the power of the final flash being charged, we've seen this in the tournament of power arc as well, when he is in blue
Best looking transformation ever
I couldn't found anything about this form till I first seen after that day I randomly typed in USSJ it popped up as SSJ grade 2 until I just found out I been calling it wrong but this videoes about the SSJ forms I keep on learning new stuff about em like this I'm looking forward to see the next SSJ grade is.
Geekdom do you have super sayian 2 transformation guide
cant wait until you get to ssj4
Very informative I love it
I love when they bring up the *manga* *chapters* for supporting backup
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"Super Duper Sayian"- Goku
I like to refer to that form as Ultra Super Saiyan which I also consider Broly Legendary Super Saiyan form as Ultra Super Saiyan because the muscles are all bulky like trunks did
It's not though because there are clear differences
“And well... we all know that Vegetas decision-making skills in the Cell saga were really really DUMB” yeeeeeeeeeap lol. Great video dude
I wouldn't say Blue evolution is a homage. Goku explained that blue is basically the super saiyan transformation using god ki. I think Blue Evolution was Vegeta using SS Grade 2 + god ki.
I don't think this is the case. The power multiplier for SS Grade 2 is under 2x that of SS since SS2 is a 100x total multiplier. I'm guessing that SSBE is roughly a 20x of SSB multiplier since in that form Vegeta appears to be comparable in strength to Goku with the SSB KK x20.
Grade 3 is next! Woot woot😁
Everytime i see semi Perfect cell he reminds me of steve harvey lool that black part is the Steve harvey stache
....... probably my favourite form in dragon ball z
Homage aside, do you think its possible to have grade 2 (+) versions of other forms such as SS2 and beyond 🤔
Absolutely :)
Super Saiyan Grade 2: Same as Super Saiyan, except you will learn about multiplication and division, and start to learn more words and phrases. :P
My all time favorite transformation and my favorite chapter in dragon ball
Do you think that since Goku can use god ki to enhance his regular SSJ transformation (Super Saiyan Blue), he can theoretically use it to enhance his OTHER transformations SSJ2, SSJ3)?
Or is SSJ Blue a transformation separate/removed from the regular SSJ line?
That facts
Vegeta's ascended form is the best looking. who agrees?
I guess me.
I don't know roid trunks is pretty cool..
I prefer Super Vegeta Blue.
that and his Majin form
@@brando3424 dang forgotten about that.....it's close
Could you also add what you think the multiplier for the form is
Yoo geekdom so in what category would future trunks supa Saiyan rage fall into?
Ssj2