I've watched several of your videos and it has cleared up so much of my thinking.... My husband and I are wanting to convert into Lutheranism. We have gone to many evangelical churches and we've always left hungry for God's Word and His teaching. It never felt right in some of the churches that we attended. After discovering a Lutheran church, we agreed that it is a healthy mixture of tradition and the Word of God that we are looking for. Thanks for answering so many evangelical questions that we wrestle with :) haha
burgess Tarapore taking the Bible literally is not a good way of looking at it. The New Testament is full of idioms that only the Jews of that time would understand if a KJV Baptist went back in time and talked to Jews about what Christ said as literal they would be confused. Matthew 5:29 is a perfect example of Christ not being literal “29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell” Christians do not go and gouge out their eyes on a daily basis otherwise most Christians would be eyeless. The Bible in many many many instances is not meant to be taken literally only theologically illiterate Baptist’s and evangelicals tend to take this approach.
Make sure the Lutheran church you visit is a good one. Generally speaking, ELCA ones are not in that category and, generally speaking, others are. It depends on the local pastor.
I appreciate your videos a lot. Your interview with bro. Wilken at Issues etc regarding Romans 9 was incredibly helpful. Thank you for your work! 👍🏽👍🏽👌🏽
He is not saying that there are no teachers. He says not to call them that as a formal title, like other eastern mystic religions do with teacher, or sensei, or master, and such.
Paul says he has becbecome our Father in the faith, ( 1 Corinthians 4:15,16). Paul says Abraham is our Father in the faith in Romans. Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink
I usually don't comment but I would like to ask the question in this video a different way, as I still didn't hear it answered by Dr. Cooper: "In what sense then, are we to fulfill Christ's command of not calling any on earth 'father' per Matt. 23:9? How are we to differentiate ourselves from the practice of the Pharisees/Jews in Jesus' time that did in fact take upon themselves titles such as "Father", "Rabbi", "Leader"?" In my opinion, this video provided no answer on how to keep Jesus' instruction here. To me the answer is simple, but I'm willing to be corrected... As fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, the brotherhood, as St. Peter calls it, we should submit to Christ's teaching here and simply refrain from using those titles for our spiritual leaders. Jesus elsewhere says that if we were to leave fathers, mothers, children, brothers, etc. for Christ [all physical], then we will receive back 100fold mothers, children, brothers, sisters, etc. [all spiritual] BUT NOT "FATHERS" (Mark 10:29-30). I think this exclusion of "fathers" by Jesus is important since our only true spiritual father is God the Father, and not a handful of priest/pastors who are so-called 'father'. The quotations from Paul are important and shouldn't be ignored, but no where have we seen anyone call him "Father Paul" or "Father Peter". Again, how are we as believers to fulfill Jesus' command here and not disregard it as done by many? Not trying to be condescending but genuinely asking the question. Thanks!
Thank you for pointing out Mark 10:29-30. I believe Jesus is teaching about spiritual fatherhood, not physical. Our only Spiritual Father is in Heaven and we shouldn’t exalt anyone but Him.
A lot experts don't understand the Holy Scriptures. Jesus was speaking in a spiritual context. Through him, people have access to the Almighty God (father) and can receive the holy Spirit (teacher). Every good and perfect gifts come from God; God uses people to transfer his message. They should never replace God. Don't Give praise and honor to men that should go to God. If in a congregation people are calling you teacher, remind them that God is the Ultimate teacher and He is using you. This has nothing to do with skills and qualifications on earth. Amen.
Evangelical Catholics [Lutherans] do call their pastor "father". In New York City and other East Coast cities, some Lutheran pastors are referred to as 'father". I recall my childhood pastor referring to retired Lutheran pastors as the reverend father when they assisted at the parish. In Lutheran seminaries, some professors are called Father.
We have a biological father and spiritual fathers true but I don’t see in scripture anyone saying… Father Paul, It sounds like Jesus is saying don’t call them by those titles” Father Paul, Father Abraham or Teacher Paul Teacher Abraham, big difference from Acknowledging someone is a spiritual father to you, and calling them Father like you do God” Jesus said when praying to God say.. Our Father” but nobody in scripture did that with man, Jesus is our example, he wouldn’t call the Pope Holy Father” neither teach his disciples to do so” neither did he refer to someone else calling him father, some preachers in Africa are called Papa” which also means father” nobody in scripture did that so where does God approve such a thing” sure we can go by our own opinion and say I don’t see anything wrong with it” or we can go by the Word of God” We have scripture for acknowledging one as a spiritual father and even a spiritual father acknowledging a son but Because called by the title Father is not in the Bible towards anyone other than God!
Why is this commandment hard for you? Is it because you want to do your own will rather than God’s? Jordan is compromising a simple commandment for the sake of tradition. The entirety of the priesthood is also wrong. By doing these sort of videos, Christians diminish the urgency of the commandment, “Come out of her my children, be ye not partakers of her sins.” Why do Catholics take such a casual and flippant view of God’s word? Well, because of videos like this.
God’s little Man this has to be a joke of a comment. There was clearly a succession of episcopates and a hierarchy in the beginning of the early church. Did Paul sin by calling himself a father to Timothy and Titus? Have fun trying to justify that
Karl McFadden when Jesus said, “Call no man your Father,” the context of the passage gives us the proper interpretation. The Pharisees sought to be greater in stature than their flock. They wanted the praises of men and a higher position in the minds of their constituents. Titles, such as “Rabbi, teacher, father.” Perpetrated this exaltation. 🔑. To understand what Jesus was getting at and apply it to the Christian life, you have to look at verse 11 in Matt 23. “He who is greatest among you shall be the servant of all.” This kind of servant leadership is not what you see in the catholic hierarchy, hypocrisy and political machination is what I see. I see a pope who sets in an impenetrable fortress with the riches of the world at his feet. He walks on red carpet drinking from gold cups and chides my president for wanting to police our southern border. I’ve been catholic and left the church, according to Vatican ll, the atonement for sin provided by Christ is no longer available to me, but is given to Muslims who do not know Christ. Catholics always seem to want to make it about Catholicism or Protestantism. Catholic or Protestant seems to be the only two choices available to choose from. But, as I’ve told Beth and many others, “there is only one choice that gives life and true fellowship with God, Jesus Christ.”
It was you Beth who had no answer for many of my questions. I will happily deal with any objections to the gospel of Christ which we believe in. Be careful, you may be digging a hole you cannot climb out of. “If I, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel than the one we preached, let him be accursed. As I have said before and I’ll say again, If we or anyone else preach any other gospel than the on which you have received, let him be accursed.” - Paul has the authority of an Apostle here and pronounces a double-curse on the opposition.
@Beth I'm not even Catholic haha. I do like to call out comments that are objections made out of thin air by fellow protestants because they create unnecessary barriers. I think protestants, as in the name, have been protesting the "big-bad" Catholic Church for so long that anything that sounds out of the ordinary to them must have been made up.
Great video! I was wondering, why are some verses in the Bible taken at face value and others not? What I mean is the justification for the Real Presence in the Eucharist being an example of the former and this case being an example of the latter.
Because 16th and 17th century rationalists (Calvin, Beza, etc) said "those verses obviously don't mean what the Papists say, as that is impossible". That's a terrible way of explaining it, and a generalized way of saying it, but that's basically what happened.
neonet 1™ because the jews of the time spoke and had idioms, poetic patterns, and literary/ verbal devices that we do not use as 21st century anglophones. The verses not meant to be taken literally are verses where Jews would have understood them as being idiomatic.
neonet 1™ the Eucharist is a prime example because Christ says that whoever does not eat my flesh and drink my blood will not have eternal life. After that many left him including Judas Iscariot christ did not run after them and rebuke them for taking it literally, because it was meant to be taken literally not as a symbolic gesture.
We have a physical father. We all have a father and a mother. A priest is a spiritual Father that is supposed to lead us to the ultimate Father God. Jesus said to pluck out your eye if it causes to sin we would all be blind. Context is important
The only spiritual Father or priest we need to lead or draw us to God is the Great High Priest, Jesus. Following the death of Christ, all believers have become priests, 1 Peter 2:9. There is no biblical new testament to the office of priest
Abraham is called our FATHER in Romans and Paul calls himself our Father in Corinthians! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior ,He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@Quisl The Archangel Gabriel says that Jesus shall be given the throne of David His FATHER! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
Even with the context, it is basically christ was against pride and want the leaders to embrace humility and the only way to help them to maintain humility is for us not to encourage the habits and attitude that will make these leaders become prideful So by restraining in calling them rabbi, or father will help them to make them understand that they are ordinary person like us. And with Paul, Paul was able to to call others children because he was the one that gave gospel to the gentiles so the word children he used for Timothy or others is because he lay the foundation. Gospel is fully written and completed, no one can claim that again , so that does not contradict jesus christ instructions not to call any one father. And also note that Jesus was not talking to those that were called father, rather to us that call them father...he want us to help them not to become prideful. Some of us do not even respect our real earthly father the way we give respect to our pastors
The Elders of the Church are Called “Fathers” and the Faithful “Children” Matt. 23:9 - Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.” This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father. Matt. 23:8 - in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either. Judges 17:10; 18:19 - priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example. Eph. 3:14-15 - every family in heaven and on earth is named from the “Father.” We are fathers in the Father. Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 - elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?” 1 Cor. 4:15 - Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.” 1 Cor. 4:17 - Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.
2 Cor. 12:14 - Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.
Phil. 2:22 - Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.” 1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children. 1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 - Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son. Titus 1:4 - Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God. Philemon 10 - Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus. Heb. 12:7,9 - emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church). 1 Peter 5:13 - Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.” 1 John 2:1,13,14 - John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.” 1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 - John calls members of the Church “children.” 1 Macc. 2:65 - Mattathias the priest tells his sons that Simeon will be their “father.” II. The Lord, Mary, the Apostles and Others Refer to Spiritual Leaders as “Fathers” Matt. 3:9; Luke 3:8 - Jesus refers to Abraham as our “father.” Mark 11:10 - the people cried out blessed is the kingdom of our “father” David that is coming!
Luke 1:32 - God’s angel says Jesus will be great and be given the throne of his “father” David.
Luke 1:55 - Mary says that He spoke to our “fathers,” to Abraham and to his posterity for ever. Luke 1:73 - Zechariah says the oath which he swore to our “father” Abraham. Luke 16:24,30 - Jesus, in His parable about the rich man, says our “father” Abraham. John 4:12 - the Samaritan woman asks Jesus if He is greater than our “father” Jacob. John 7:22 - Jesus refers to the “fathers” who gave the Jews the practice of circumcision. John 8:56 - Jesus tells the Jews your “Father” Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day. Acts 3:13,25; 5:30 - Peter teaches that the God of our “fathers” glorified His servant Jesus and raised Him to life. Acts 4:25 - Peter and John pray to God and refer to our “father” David. Acts 7:11-12, 15,19,38,44-45,51-52 - Stephen refers to our “fathers” in the faith. Acts 7:32 - Stephen calls God the God of our “fathers.” Acts 13:17,32,36; 24:14; 26:6; 28:17,25 - Paul also refers to the God of our “fathers” in the faith. Acts 22:3 - Paul says he was educated according to the strict law of our “fathers.” Acts 22:14 - Ananias says the God of our “fathers.” Rom. 4:1 - Paul calls Abraham our “forefather.” Rom. 4:16-17 - Paul says that Abraham is the “father” of us all and the “father” of many nations. Rom. 9:10 - Paul calls Isaac, a spiritual leader, our “forefather.”
1 Cor. 10:1 - Paul says that our “fathers” were all under the cloud, referring to the Old Testament spiritual leaders.
Gal. 1:14 - Paul says that he was zealous for the tradition of his “fathers.” 2 Tim. 1:3 - Paul thanks God whom he serves with a clear conscience as did his “fathers” in faith. Heb. 1:1 - the author says God spoke of old to our “fathers.” Heb. 3:9 - the Holy Spirit says that your “fathers” put me to the test. Heb. 8:9 - God says not like the covenant that I made with their “fathers.” James 2:21 - James says was not our “father” Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac? 1 Peter 1:18 - Peter says you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your “fathers.” 2 Peter 3:4 - Peter says ever since the “fathers” fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning. III. Other Examples Where Jesus Uses the Word “Father” When Teaching Matt. 15:4-5; 19:19 - Jesus uses “father” when He teaches God’s commandment to “Honor your father and your mother.” Mark 7:10-12; Luke 18:20 - these are more examples of Jesus using “father” when teaching about honoring our fathers and mothers. Eph. 6:2,4 - Paul also teaches to honor your “father” and mother, and says “fathers,” do not provoke your children. Matt. 10:21; 35,37; Mark 13:12 - Jesus says “father” will deliver up his child in the last days. Matt. 19:5; Mark 10:7,19 - Jesus says a man shall leave his “father” and mother and be joined to his wife. See also Eph. 5:31. Matt. 19:29; Mark 10:29-30 - Jesus says whoever has left mother or “father” for His sake shall receive a hundredfold. Matt. 21:31 - Jesus uses “father” when he teaches about the parable of the two sons and asks, “who did the will of his “father?” Luke 6:23,26 - Jesus speaks about reward and punishment with reference to what their “fathers” did to the prophets. Luke 11:11 - Jesus says what “father” among you will give his child a serpent when he asks for a fish. Luke 11:47-48 - Jesus tells the lawyers they are witnesses to the deeds of their “fathers.” Luke 14:26 - Jesus says we must leave our “fathers” and mothers and come to him, or we cannot be His disciple. Luke 15:12,17-18,20-22,27-29 - Jesus repeatedly uses “father” when teaching about the prodigal son. Luke 16:27 - Jesus uses “father” when teaching about the rich man in purgatory. John 6:49,58 - Jesus says your “fathers” ate the manna in the wilderness and died.🐱👤
@SongOfCelestia Is 22:20-24 'On that day I will summon my servant Eliakim, son of Hilkiah; I will clothe him with your robe, and girde him with your sash and give over to him your authority. He shall be a 😜father 😆to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. I will place the key of the house of David on his shoulder; when he opens, no one shall shut, when he shuts no one shall open. I will fix him like a peg in a sure spot to be a place of honor for his family; on him shall hang the glory of his family; descendants and offspring,'😜
@SongOfCelestia Call no man teacher. Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, "But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8-10). The first problem is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," in Matthew 28:19-20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7); "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28); and "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as "teachers." Fundamentalists themselves slip up on this point by calling all sorts of people "doctor," for example, medical doctors, as well as professors and scientists who have Ph.D. degrees (i.e., doctorates). What they fail to realize is that "doctor" is simply the Latin word for "teacher." Even "Mister" and "Mistress" ("Mrs.") are forms of the word "master," also mentioned by Jesus. So if his words in Matthew 23 were meant to be taken literally, Fundamentalists would be just as guilty for using the word "teacher" and "doctor" and "mister" as Catholics for saying "father." But clearly, that would be a misunderstanding of Christ’s words. i.) If you look at Matthew 23: 1-24, it is obviously the overall thrust of the passage is about assuming positions of authority in the Church to aggrandize one's self or stroke one's ego (the scribes and Pharisees occupying "Moses's seat" and then expecting people to call them "Rabbi", "Father", etc but doing nothing to "lift a finger" to alleviate the burden they bind on people's consciences / the obligations they impose. It is a discourse on SERVANT leadership ("The Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many") NOT a fastidious rant about religious forms of address or ecclesiastic titles. ii.) IF the typical Protestant interpretation of Matthew 23: 9 is correct, then it makes St. Paul a sinner and invalidates the divine inspiration of his epistles, "I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I BECAME YOUR FATHER IN CHRIST JESUS through the gospel. Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me." cf. I Corinthians 4: 14-16 Obviously St. Paul is not referring to biological paternity, but a spiritual one "through the Gospel". By preaching the Gospel to the Corinthians in his ministry, he became a FATHER to them, by their becoming "beloved children" of God. Besides this passage, Ephesians 3: 14-15 is also good, "For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom ALL FATHERHOOD in heaven and on earth is named,...". In other words, human 'fatherhood' (whether biological or spiritual) PARTICIPATES IN God's Fatherhood. At Matthew 23: 9, Jesus Christ is admonishing the scribes and Pharisees who had gotten such an inflated sense of ego that they believed, because they sat on "Moses's seat" deciding matters by interpreting Tanakh / the "Old Testament" and applying it to specific cases brought to them by the People of God, that they were CHANGING clear prescriptions laid down in Torah (e. g. setting aside the commandment to 'Honor father and mother" by a child claiming the support they were obligated to give to their parents they would give to "God" because they decided it was a higher purpose, etc) and substituting their man made rules, AS IF they themselves were the "Father" / YHWH. The passage is not about a literalist use of a title or form of address ("father") but about servant leadership. And when their fastidious Protestant interpretation so OBVIOUSLY contradicts I Corinthians 4: 14-16 where the Apostles St. Paul calls himself "father" by analogy to those to whom he preached the Gospel, you can be sure their interpretation is wrong because it sets two separate passages of divinely inspired sacred Scripture at odds with one another💕
@SongOfCelestia rally now to bad the Bible says different now doesn't it Call no man teacher. Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, "But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8-10). The first problem is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," in Matthew 28:19-20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7); "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28); and "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as "teachers." Fundamentalists themselves slip up on this point by calling all sorts of people "doctor," for example, medical doctors, as well as professors and scientists who have Ph.D. degrees (i.e., doctorates). What they fail to realize is that "doctor" is simply the Latin word for "teacher." Even "Mister" and "Mistress" ("Mrs.") are forms of the word "master," also mentioned by Jesus. So if his words in Matthew 23 were meant to be taken literally, Fundamentalists would be just as guilty for using the word "teacher" and "doctor" and "mister" as Catholics for saying "father." But clearly, that would be a misunderstanding of Christ’s words. i.) If you look at Matthew 23: 1-24, it is obviously the overall thrust of the passage is about assuming positions of authority in the Church to aggrandize one's self or stroke one's ego (the scribes and Pharisees occupying "Moses's seat" and then expecting people to call them "Rabbi", "Father", etc but doing nothing to "lift a finger" to alleviate the burden they bind on people's consciences / the obligations they impose. It is a discourse on SERVANT leadership ("The Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many") NOT a fastidious rant about religious forms of address or ecclesiastic titles. ii.) IF the typical Protestant interpretation of Matthew 23: 9 is correct, then it makes St. Paul a sinner and invalidates the divine inspiration of his epistles, "I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I BECAME YOUR FATHER IN CHRIST JESUS through the gospel. Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me." cf. I Corinthians 4: 14-16 Obviously St. Paul is not referring to biological paternity, but a spiritual one "through the Gospel". By preaching the Gospel to the Corinthians in his ministry, he became a FATHER to them, by their becoming "beloved children" of God. Besides this passage, Ephesians 3: 14-15 is also good, "For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom ALL FATHERHOOD in heaven and on earth is named,...". In other words, human 'fatherhood' (whether biological or spiritual) PARTICIPATES IN God's Fatherhood. At Matthew 23: 9, Jesus Christ is admonishing the scribes and Pharisees who had gotten such an inflated sense of ego that they believed, because they sat on "Moses's seat" deciding matters by interpreting Tanakh / the "Old Testament" and applying it to specific cases brought to them by the People of God, that they were CHANGING clear prescriptions laid down in Torah (e. g. setting aside the commandment to 'Honor father and mother" by a child claiming the support they were obligated to give to their parents they would give to "God" because they decided it was a higher purpose, etc) and substituting their man made rules, AS IF they themselves were the "Father" / YHWH. The passage is not about a literalist use of a title or form of address ("father") but about servant leadership. And when their fastidious Protestant interpretation so OBVIOUSLY contradicts I Corinthians 4: 14-16 where the Apostles St. Paul calls himself "father" by analogy to those to whom he preached the Gospel, you can be sure their interpretation is wrong because it sets two separate passages of divinely inspired sacred Scripture at odds with one another🤦♀️
Great video. In Mtt 23 Jesus given the "seven wores" was calling covenant cursings of Lev 26 which states Yahweh will punish Israel "seven times" for her sins. And of course this section in Matthew (21-24) is the judgment that was to come upon Jerusalem. Jesus told them to not ignore the "weightier matters of the law" As in the fall of Samaria the northern prophets, Amos, Hosea rebuke the leaders for ignoring the poor, widows etc. This is the context. Also as Pastor Copper pointed out Paul tells Timothy he "begot" him in the faith! "Father Abraham....
I have all confidence that God allows we members in the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Christian Church Of Tradition to call our parents Father and Mother,who ever came out with this false interpretation that it’s a sin or blasphemy against God to call your parents Father or Mother is truly a liar.For did not God him self give us his Ten Commandments and one of these Commandments is to Honour your Father and your Mother! How dare these people go up against God and his infallible Teachings,now God permits us to call our Dad Father so how much more does God permit us to call a Hierarchy member and a priest Father in the spiritual sense because that’s what was used to call Abraham Father and others in the epistles of the Apostles
Jesus does not say to call no man Teacher, that is a horrible translation. We are told to call no man kathégétés, which appears only here in all of the New Testament. Most translations rend it, Instructor, or Leader, although I think the KJV's use of Master is quite fitting, as one having Rule Over You. This is very different from the role of Teacher in the Body of Christ, which again is an entirely different word in Greek, which means to be a teacher, from the Greek to teach.
“Full well, you reject my commandment that you may keep your tradition” why is this complicated? It’s simple; just don’t do it. Why must Christians always put their toes over just the line of God’s precepts. God alone is our Father.
Beth with respect as well, the Catholic Church is guilty of doing exactly as Jesus warned against in that passage. Spiritual supremacy in the hierarchy runs rampant in the RCC and is quite shameful indeed. The key verse in that passage is such, “Let he who is greatest among you be the servant of all.” This is not what we see in the Roman tradition, on the contrary, we see popes and cardinals and bishops living like millionaires and wanting for nothing. They live in ivory towers and walk on red carpets sporting all manner of lavish wardrobes and drinking out of golden cups. Mr. Francis lives in an impenetrable fortress with the riches of the world under his feet and chides America for wanting to build a wall. If you want to see what servant leadership looks like, you’ll have to study Paul’s life, He being the example; the greatest Christian to ever live.
Beth there’s nothing erroneous about what I wrote and everyone knows it. Of course I’m not saying that some Catholic priests and nuns haven’t lived lives of suffering and hardship as they gave their lives to further Christianity. I’m saying these are examples of the greatest. The hierarchy and the papacy are a political machine. A machine that has perverted the true gospel for the sake of appeasing the world. “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me.” John Paul ll reiterated the Vatican ll’s damnable heresy which states that a Muslim can enter the gates of heaven but a Protestant cannot. These unregenerate power seekers are more interested in self preservation than they are in the purity of the Gospel. “For if I seek to please men I would not be the bond servant of Christ.” I’m a self employed drywall contractor and drive a 2006 Chevy van, and by the way, I’m not asking anyone to call me their spiritual Father.
Beth you should study your own religion Beth, respectfully. I used to be Catholic, I know what I’m saying is true because I’ve written 5 thesis on Catholicism. And why do you refer to the RCC as a “her.” Is it because Catholics love their Virgin Mother so much that they prefer to think of her rather than Christ. Just say yes! Your idea of Mary answering prayers is idolatry, Mary would have to be omniscient in order to hear the prayers of millions of Catholics. She would also have to be omnipresent, in order to hear those prayers. That means Mary would have to be all-knowing and in all places at all times in order to do what you claim she can do. This would mean Mary is a Goddess. 🔑 Only God has those attributes.
Beth Blessings* Mary is the mother of Christ in his humanity, but not his deity. I also honor Mary in the proper way. We see Mary making the same mistakes that an ordinary Christian would make. Her leaving Jesus for 3 days, overlooking his absence in the Caravan proves one of two things: He is overlooked because Mary is busy with her other children. (What mother of a single child doesn’t concern herself greatly with it?) Or she is simply not paying attention to her role as a mother. I suppose both are possible. BTW Being a Protestant does not guarantee salvation, there are many so-called Protestants that are unregenerate and haven’t given “diligence to make their calling and election sure.” (Peter). Some self proclaimed Protestants will suffer a greater damnation because they have perverted the gospel of Christ in an effort to gain wealth. Simply protesting false teachings doesn’t write your ticket. You must be born again of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the promised Seed of the Abrahamic covenant. (Galatians 3). The 10 commandments and the Jewish priesthood came 430 years after God gave the promise to Abraham. Consequently, Islam began 600 years after Christ. All who teach a performance based salvation are in bondage to it. (Galatians4)
Beth since when has the gospel been logical, we are discussing an unheard of mystery. The only reason you and I believe in a virgin birth is because God has revealed it to be true. What about others who have lived and died and have not had that revelation? Which is another mystery. Of course he was not split in two persons, but his parents were, that is the rub. 🤔🤔You want to deify a sinner, “My soul rejoices in God my Savior.” Those are Mary’s words not mine Beth. Only sinners need a Savior. With all the mysteries involved in Christianity, I prefer to believe in the Bible rather than an in the interpretations of an institution with a track record like the RCC. The Word of God does not have a motive like that which sinful man possesses. Ever wondered why Jewish Scholars included so much heinous information about their own people. Why not just leave the depraved parts out? Especially when they reveal the true nature of man. Jews are sorely disappointing and Christians are counted as sheep for the slaughter. The MOTIVES of the ruling class of the RCC cannot be trusted.
But also priets/pastors now days use it for jonour and glory...to the point of claiming yo be honoured citing old testaments prophets were honoured.......but ues i agree depends on motive either side though with human pride and need for control its a thin line
My aflc Lutheran Pastor wears a shirt and tie and nice pants dresses more like a Baptist I don't think it's wrong he dresses nice and he's preaches the word of God
Okay thanks that makes a lot of sense I still believe when the Roman Catholics call the pope Holy Father that is definitely wrong and I'm sure you agree
@@emsdiy6857 can a word or phrase mean two different things in different contexts? Because I would agree with you The Pope is not 'Holy Father' like the First person of the Trinity.
@@johntabuchi6831 neighboring words is one type of context but it's not the only one. We can get historical context, etymology of the interpretations over time, as well as context from different books (such as the Gospels to help understand Paul or Leviticus to understand Hebrews). In this case looking at different books and the early Christian community is enough to gather at what was meant and not meant by Jesus's "Call no man Father."
I’ve often wondered about this. Thank you. My brother is Roman Catholic so I often wonder about what is the right way to show respect for his church. I do believe that Catholics are a valid church and see Lutheranism as the true Catholic Church modeled after the earliest Catholic Churches. From what I have learned it seems that a 3rd century Catholic priest would recognize a Lutheran church far more readily than a modern Catholic Church…. With some exceptions in both directions.
But Paul never actually said he was their sîritual father, he implied a relationship with believers like a father/son relationship without actually calling himself their father. The analogy is for them to understand the relationship. The many fathers referred to in verse 15 are biological fathers. The term father applied in a spiritual sense, forbidden by Jesus, cannot be twisted as you have done. It's a commandment. Just don't do it. It's simple to understand if you just try. The term teacher should not be used for Spiritual teacher. I don't believe Jesus was talking about teacher for other things, which would not be wrong. The context is spiritual. Context shows it to be so. So I had a father who was a teacher, and I never referred to him as spiritual teacher or father. Your explanation manages to twist the words of your teacher.
You got it! A lot experts don't understand the Holy Scriptures. Jesus was speaking in a spiritual context. Through him, people have access to the Almighty God (father) and can receive the holy Spirit (teacher). Every good and perfect gifts come from God; God uses people to transfer his message. They should never replace God. Don't Give praise and honor to men that should go to God. If in a congregation people are calling you teacher, remind them that God is the Ultimate teacher and He is using you. This has nothing to do with skills and qualifications on earth. Amen.
It would be more consistent, if they also applied the same rule for "teacher". But Christians and churches who object to "father" have no problem with having "Sunday School teachers". Quite inconsistent one may say, even for biblicists.
burgess Tarapore Paul refers to himself as a spiritual father to Timothy in 2timothy1:2 “2Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord” only Baptist’s, pentecostals, Jehovah’s witnessed, and mormons refer to each other as brother solely. Baptist’s use this while ignoring other biblical texts and constantly taking scripture literally without taking into account the context of the verses in scripture according to their time and intended audience.
He said lots of times of what '' jesus said '' -- well, everything '' jesus said\says '' is what someone who never him said he said, which is when the voice in my head said stop watching, which is what I did.
Yeah ... no. In trying to avoid the error of hyper-literalism, your explanation errors too much in the other direction. Obviously you're going to call some people fathers and teachers. But do you really think Christ merely meant "don't be prideful"? Why didnt' He just say that? Did He really not care at all about the titles themselves? The import of those titles in Roman Catholic doctrine is much the same as that which the rabbis in Christ's time claimed for themselves: that of authoritative Scripture interpretation. That's why I avoid calling an RC priest father. Not sure what you Lutherans intend by calling your pastors by the same name, but it seems like it would be very confusing to someonw who grew up treating clergy as if they somehow had a more direct line to God.
“Was not ➡️Abraham our father⬅️ justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?” James 2:21 How do you explain this? Pastor means shepherd. If Jesus is the Good Shepherd, are we no longer allowed to call heads of congregations as pastors?? Why does John in his epistles call the believers that he is writing to as “little children” if he did not think he had a fatherly role in a spiritual sense in their lives? “I have no greater joy than to hear that ➡️my children⬅️ walk in truth.” 3 John 1:4 “➡️Little children⬅️, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.” 1 John 5:21 Your anti-Catholic inclinations blur your judgement
I've watched several of your videos and it has cleared up so much of my thinking.... My husband and I are wanting to convert into Lutheranism. We have gone to many evangelical churches and we've always left hungry for God's Word and His teaching. It never felt right in some of the churches that we attended. After discovering a Lutheran church, we agreed that it is a healthy mixture of tradition and the Word of God that we are looking for. Thanks for answering so many evangelical questions that we wrestle with :) haha
burgess Tarapore taking the Bible literally is not a good way of looking at it. The New Testament is full of idioms that only the Jews of that time would understand if a KJV Baptist went back in time and talked to Jews about what Christ said as literal they would be confused. Matthew 5:29 is a perfect example of Christ not being literal “29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell” Christians do not go and gouge out their eyes on a daily basis otherwise most Christians would be eyeless. The Bible in many many many instances is not meant to be taken literally only theologically illiterate Baptist’s and evangelicals tend to take this approach.
Make sure the Lutheran church you visit is a good one. Generally speaking, ELCA ones are not in that category and, generally speaking, others are. It depends on the local pastor.
Glory to Christ!
I appreciate your videos a lot. Your interview with bro. Wilken at Issues etc regarding Romans 9 was incredibly helpful. Thank you for your work! 👍🏽👍🏽👌🏽
Really great video here, context is so important when discussing topics like these. God Bless
He is not saying that there are no teachers. He says not to call them that as a formal title, like other eastern mystic religions do with teacher, or sensei, or master, and such.
Very good! As an Anglican priest I agree whole heartedly
Paul says he has becbecome our Father in the faith, ( 1 Corinthians 4:15,16). Paul says Abraham is our Father in the faith in Romans. Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink
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Thanks for this video. It's pretty obvious to me that that was a misuse of the text.
I usually don't comment but I would like to ask the question in this video a different way, as I still didn't hear it answered by Dr. Cooper:
"In what sense then, are we to fulfill Christ's command of not calling any on earth 'father' per Matt. 23:9? How are we to differentiate ourselves from the practice of the Pharisees/Jews in Jesus' time that did in fact take upon themselves titles such as "Father", "Rabbi", "Leader"?" In my opinion, this video provided no answer on how to keep Jesus' instruction here.
To me the answer is simple, but I'm willing to be corrected... As fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, the brotherhood, as St. Peter calls it, we should submit to Christ's teaching here and simply refrain from using those titles for our spiritual leaders. Jesus elsewhere says that if we were to leave fathers, mothers, children, brothers, etc. for Christ [all physical], then we will receive back 100fold mothers, children, brothers, sisters, etc. [all spiritual] BUT NOT "FATHERS" (Mark 10:29-30). I think this exclusion of "fathers" by Jesus is important since our only true spiritual father is God the Father, and not a handful of priest/pastors who are so-called 'father'.
The quotations from Paul are important and shouldn't be ignored, but no where have we seen anyone call him "Father Paul" or "Father Peter". Again, how are we as believers to fulfill Jesus' command here and not disregard it as done by many? Not trying to be condescending but genuinely asking the question. Thanks!
Thank you for pointing out Mark 10:29-30. I believe Jesus is teaching about spiritual fatherhood, not physical. Our only Spiritual Father is in Heaven and we shouldn’t exalt anyone but Him.
A lot experts don't understand the Holy Scriptures. Jesus was speaking in a spiritual context. Through him, people have access to the Almighty God (father) and can receive the holy Spirit (teacher). Every good and perfect gifts come from God; God uses people to transfer his message. They should never replace God. Don't Give praise and honor to men that should go to God. If in a congregation people are calling you teacher, remind them that God is the Ultimate teacher and He is using you. This has nothing to do with skills and qualifications on earth. Amen.
Evangelical Catholics [Lutherans] do call their pastor "father". In New York City and other East Coast cities, some Lutheran pastors are referred to as 'father". I recall my childhood pastor referring to retired Lutheran pastors as the reverend father when they assisted at the parish. In Lutheran seminaries, some professors are called Father.
At Presbyterian(Reformed) assemblies the gathered elders are addressed by speakers as "Fathers and Brethren".
We have a biological father and spiritual fathers true but I don’t see in scripture anyone saying… Father Paul, It sounds like Jesus is saying don’t call them by those titles” Father Paul, Father Abraham or Teacher Paul Teacher Abraham, big difference from Acknowledging someone is a spiritual father to you, and calling them Father like you do God” Jesus said when praying to God say.. Our Father” but nobody in scripture did that with man, Jesus is our example, he wouldn’t call the Pope Holy Father” neither teach his disciples to do so” neither did he refer to someone else calling him father, some preachers in Africa are called Papa” which also means father” nobody in scripture did that so where does God approve such a thing” sure we can go by our own opinion and say I don’t see anything wrong with it” or we can go by the Word of God” We have scripture for acknowledging one as a spiritual father and even a spiritual father acknowledging a son but Because called by the title Father is not in the Bible towards anyone other than God!
Catholic here. Thank you! I hope "Evangelicals" see this.
Why is this commandment hard for you? Is it because you want to do your own will rather than God’s? Jordan is compromising a simple commandment for the sake of tradition. The entirety of the priesthood is also wrong. By doing these sort of videos, Christians diminish the urgency of the commandment, “Come out of her my children, be ye not partakers of her sins.” Why do Catholics take such a casual and flippant view of God’s word? Well, because of videos like this.
God’s little Man this has to be a joke of a comment. There was clearly a succession of episcopates and a hierarchy in the beginning of the early church. Did Paul sin by calling himself a father to Timothy and Titus? Have fun trying to justify that
Karl McFadden when Jesus said, “Call no man your Father,” the context of the passage gives us the proper interpretation. The Pharisees sought to be greater in stature than their flock. They wanted the praises of men and a higher position in the minds of their constituents. Titles, such as “Rabbi, teacher, father.” Perpetrated this exaltation. 🔑. To understand what Jesus was getting at and apply it to the Christian life, you have to look at verse 11 in Matt 23. “He who is greatest among you shall be the servant of all.”
This kind of servant leadership is not what you see in the catholic hierarchy, hypocrisy and political machination is what I see. I see a pope who sets in an impenetrable fortress with the riches of the world at his feet. He walks on red carpet drinking from gold cups and chides my president for wanting to police our southern border. I’ve been catholic and left the church, according to Vatican ll, the atonement for sin provided by Christ is no longer available to me, but is given to Muslims who do not know Christ.
Catholics always seem to want to make it about Catholicism or Protestantism. Catholic or Protestant seems to be the only two choices available to choose from. But, as I’ve told Beth and many others, “there is only one choice that gives life and true fellowship with God, Jesus Christ.”
It was you Beth who had no answer for many of my questions. I will happily deal with any objections to the gospel of Christ which we believe in. Be careful, you may be digging a hole you cannot climb out of. “If I, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel than the one we preached, let him be accursed. As I have said before and I’ll say again, If we or anyone else preach any other gospel than the on which you have received, let him be accursed.” - Paul has the authority of an Apostle here and pronounces a double-curse on the opposition.
@Beth I'm not even Catholic haha. I do like to call out comments that are objections made out of thin air by fellow protestants because they create unnecessary barriers. I think protestants, as in the name, have been protesting the "big-bad" Catholic Church for so long that anything that sounds out of the ordinary to them must have been made up.
Thank you for Law & Gospel!
Great video! I was wondering, why are some verses in the Bible taken at face value and others not? What I mean is the justification for the Real Presence in the Eucharist being an example of the former and this case being an example of the latter.
Because 16th and 17th century rationalists (Calvin, Beza, etc) said "those verses obviously don't mean what the Papists say, as that is impossible". That's a terrible way of explaining it, and a generalized way of saying it, but that's basically what happened.
neonet 1™ because the jews of the time spoke and had idioms, poetic patterns, and literary/ verbal devices that we do not use as 21st century anglophones. The verses not meant to be taken literally are verses where Jews would have understood them as being idiomatic.
neonet 1™ the Eucharist is a prime example because Christ says that whoever does not eat my flesh and drink my blood will not have eternal life. After that many left him including Judas Iscariot christ did not run after them and rebuke them for taking it literally, because it was meant to be taken literally not as a symbolic gesture.
Do you think this applies to the Pope (papa) though?
You miss the prime example of acknowledging the Semitic idiom of relative negation. Where "Not X but Y" means "Not merely X, but moreso Y".
Jesus told believers not to call anyone father as believers have one Father in heaven.
We have no business calling a pastor pastor, or rabbi , or father Revrend
We have a physical father. We all have a father and a mother. A priest is a spiritual Father that is supposed to lead us to the ultimate Father God. Jesus said to pluck out your eye if it causes to sin we would all be blind. Context is important
The only spiritual Father or priest we need to lead or draw us to God is the Great High Priest, Jesus. Following the death of Christ, all believers have become priests, 1 Peter 2:9. There is no biblical new testament to the office of priest
@@LifeplusLife You misunderstand the priesthood of all believers, priesthood of Christ and the Presbytery of the church.
Abraham is called our FATHER in Romans and Paul calls himself our Father in Corinthians! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior ,He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
Romans 4,12
@Quisl The Archangel Gabriel says that Jesus shall be given the throne of David His FATHER! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
Can you compare teachers and fathers are they the same ?They rewrote the Bible so much to a point it is now contradicting.
Even with the context, it is basically christ was against pride and want the leaders to embrace humility and the only way to help them to maintain humility is for us not to encourage the habits and attitude that will make these leaders become prideful
So by restraining in calling them rabbi, or father will help them to make them understand that they are ordinary person like us.
And with Paul, Paul was able to to call others children because he was the one that gave gospel to the gentiles so the word children he used for Timothy or others is because he lay the foundation.
Gospel is fully written and completed, no one can claim that again , so that does not contradict jesus christ instructions not to call any one father.
And also note that Jesus was not talking to those that were called father, rather to us that call them father...he want us to help them not to become prideful.
Some of us do not even respect our real earthly father the way we give respect to our pastors
Wow… I didn’t know the Bible stuttered
The Elders of the Church are Called “Fathers” and the Faithful “Children”
Matt. 23:9 - Jesus says, “call no man father.” But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests “father.” This is an example of “eisegesis” (imposing one’s views upon a passage) as opposed to “exegesis” (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.
Matt. 23:8 - in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.
Judges 17:10; 18:19 - priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.
Eph. 3:14-15 - every family in heaven and on earth is named from the “Father.” We are fathers in the Father.
Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 - elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?”
1 Cor. 4:15 - Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.”
1 Cor. 4:17 - Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.
2 Cor. 12:14 - Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.
Phil. 2:22 - Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”
1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.
1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 - Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.
Titus 1:4 - Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.
Philemon 10 - Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.
Heb. 12:7,9 - emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).
1 Peter 5:13 - Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”
1 John 2:1,13,14 - John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.”
1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 - John calls members of the Church “children.”
1 Macc. 2:65 - Mattathias the priest tells his sons that Simeon will be their “father.”
II. The Lord, Mary, the Apostles and Others Refer to Spiritual Leaders as “Fathers”
Matt. 3:9; Luke 3:8 - Jesus refers to Abraham as our “father.”
Mark 11:10 - the people cried out blessed is the kingdom of our “father” David that is coming!
Luke 1:32 - God’s angel says Jesus will be great and be given the throne of his “father” David.
Luke 1:55 - Mary says that He spoke to our “fathers,” to Abraham and to his posterity for ever.
Luke 1:73 - Zechariah says the oath which he swore to our “father” Abraham.
Luke 16:24,30 - Jesus, in His parable about the rich man, says our “father” Abraham.
John 4:12 - the Samaritan woman asks Jesus if He is greater than our “father” Jacob.
John 7:22 - Jesus refers to the “fathers” who gave the Jews the practice of circumcision.
John 8:56 - Jesus tells the Jews your “Father” Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day.
Acts 3:13,25; 5:30 - Peter teaches that the God of our “fathers” glorified His servant Jesus and raised Him to life.
Acts 4:25 - Peter and John pray to God and refer to our “father” David.
Acts 7:11-12, 15,19,38,44-45,51-52 - Stephen refers to our “fathers” in the faith.
Acts 7:32 - Stephen calls God the God of our “fathers.”
Acts 13:17,32,36; 24:14; 26:6; 28:17,25 - Paul also refers to the God of our “fathers” in the faith.
Acts 22:3 - Paul says he was educated according to the strict law of our “fathers.”
Acts 22:14 - Ananias says the God of our “fathers.”
Rom. 4:1 - Paul calls Abraham our “forefather.”
Rom. 4:16-17 - Paul says that Abraham is the “father” of us all and the “father” of many nations.
Rom. 9:10 - Paul calls Isaac, a spiritual leader, our “forefather.”
1 Cor. 10:1 - Paul says that our “fathers” were all under the cloud, referring to the Old Testament spiritual leaders.
Gal. 1:14 - Paul says that he was zealous for the tradition of his “fathers.”
2 Tim. 1:3 - Paul thanks God whom he serves with a clear conscience as did his “fathers” in faith.
Heb. 1:1 - the author says God spoke of old to our “fathers.”
Heb. 3:9 - the Holy Spirit says that your “fathers” put me to the test.
Heb. 8:9 - God says not like the covenant that I made with their “fathers.”
James 2:21 - James says was not our “father” Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac?
1 Peter 1:18 - Peter says you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your “fathers.”
2 Peter 3:4 - Peter says ever since the “fathers” fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning.
III. Other Examples Where Jesus Uses the Word “Father” When Teaching
Matt. 15:4-5; 19:19 - Jesus uses “father” when He teaches God’s commandment to “Honor your father and your mother.”
Mark 7:10-12; Luke 18:20 - these are more examples of Jesus using “father” when teaching about honoring our fathers and mothers.
Eph. 6:2,4 - Paul also teaches to honor your “father” and mother, and says “fathers,” do not provoke your children.
Matt. 10:21; 35,37; Mark 13:12 - Jesus says “father” will deliver up his child in the last days.
Matt. 19:5; Mark 10:7,19 - Jesus says a man shall leave his “father” and mother and be joined to his wife. See also Eph. 5:31.
Matt. 19:29; Mark 10:29-30 - Jesus says whoever has left mother or “father” for His sake shall receive a hundredfold.
Matt. 21:31 - Jesus uses “father” when he teaches about the parable of the two sons and asks, “who did the will of his “father?”
Luke 6:23,26 - Jesus speaks about reward and punishment with reference to what their “fathers” did to the prophets.
Luke 11:11 - Jesus says what “father” among you will give his child a serpent when he asks for a fish.
Luke 11:47-48 - Jesus tells the lawyers they are witnesses to the deeds of their “fathers.”
Luke 14:26 - Jesus says we must leave our “fathers” and mothers and come to him, or we cannot be His disciple.
Luke 15:12,17-18,20-22,27-29 - Jesus repeatedly uses “father” when teaching about the prodigal son.
Luke 16:27 - Jesus uses “father” when teaching about the rich man in purgatory.
John 6:49,58 - Jesus says your “fathers” ate the manna in the wilderness and died.🐱👤
@SongOfCelestia Is 22:20-24 'On that day I will summon my servant Eliakim, son of Hilkiah; I will clothe him with your robe, and girde him with your sash and give over to him your authority. He shall be a 😜father 😆to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. I will place the key of the house of David on his shoulder; when he opens, no one shall shut, when he shuts no one shall open. I will fix him like a peg in a sure spot to be a place of honor for his family; on him shall hang the glory of his family; descendants and offspring,'😜
@SongOfCelestia Call no man teacher.
Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, "But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8-10).
The first problem is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," in Matthew 28:19-20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7); "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28); and "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as "teachers."
Fundamentalists themselves slip up on this point by calling all sorts of people "doctor," for example, medical doctors, as well as professors and scientists who have Ph.D. degrees (i.e., doctorates). What they fail to realize is that "doctor" is simply the Latin word for "teacher." Even "Mister" and "Mistress" ("Mrs.") are forms of the word "master," also mentioned by Jesus. So if his words in Matthew 23 were meant to be taken literally, Fundamentalists would be just as guilty for using the word "teacher" and "doctor" and "mister" as Catholics for saying "father." But clearly, that would be a misunderstanding of Christ’s words.
i.) If you look at Matthew 23: 1-24, it is obviously the overall thrust of the passage is about assuming positions of authority in the Church to aggrandize one's self or stroke one's ego (the scribes and Pharisees occupying "Moses's seat" and then expecting people to call them "Rabbi", "Father", etc but doing nothing to "lift a finger" to alleviate the burden they bind on people's consciences / the obligations they impose. It is a discourse on SERVANT leadership ("The Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many") NOT a fastidious rant about religious forms of address or ecclesiastic titles.
ii.) IF the typical Protestant interpretation of Matthew 23: 9 is correct, then it makes St. Paul a sinner and invalidates the divine inspiration of his epistles,
"I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I BECAME YOUR FATHER IN CHRIST JESUS through the gospel. Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me."
cf. I Corinthians 4: 14-16
Obviously St. Paul is not referring to biological paternity, but a spiritual one "through the Gospel". By preaching the Gospel to the Corinthians in his ministry, he became a FATHER to them, by their becoming "beloved children" of God. Besides this passage, Ephesians 3: 14-15 is also good,
"For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom ALL FATHERHOOD in heaven and on earth is named,...".
In other words, human 'fatherhood' (whether biological or spiritual) PARTICIPATES IN God's Fatherhood. At Matthew 23: 9, Jesus Christ is admonishing the scribes and Pharisees who had gotten such an inflated sense of ego that they believed, because they sat on "Moses's seat" deciding matters by interpreting Tanakh / the "Old Testament" and applying it to specific cases brought to them by the People of God, that they were CHANGING clear prescriptions laid down in Torah (e. g. setting aside the commandment to 'Honor father and mother" by a child claiming the support they were obligated to give to their parents they would give to "God" because they decided it was a higher purpose, etc) and substituting their man made rules, AS IF they themselves were the "Father" / YHWH.
The passage is not about a literalist use of a title or form of address ("father") but about servant leadership. And when their fastidious Protestant interpretation so OBVIOUSLY contradicts I Corinthians 4: 14-16 where the Apostles St. Paul calls himself "father" by analogy to those to whom he preached the Gospel, you can be sure their interpretation is wrong because it sets two separate passages of divinely inspired sacred Scripture at odds with one another💕
@SongOfCelestia rally now to bad the Bible says different now doesn't it
Call no man teacher.
Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, "But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8-10).
The first problem is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," in Matthew 28:19-20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7); "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28); and "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as "teachers."
Fundamentalists themselves slip up on this point by calling all sorts of people "doctor," for example, medical doctors, as well as professors and scientists who have Ph.D. degrees (i.e., doctorates). What they fail to realize is that "doctor" is simply the Latin word for "teacher." Even "Mister" and "Mistress" ("Mrs.") are forms of the word "master," also mentioned by Jesus. So if his words in Matthew 23 were meant to be taken literally, Fundamentalists would be just as guilty for using the word "teacher" and "doctor" and "mister" as Catholics for saying "father." But clearly, that would be a misunderstanding of Christ’s words.
i.) If you look at Matthew 23: 1-24, it is obviously the overall thrust of the passage is about assuming positions of authority in the Church to aggrandize one's self or stroke one's ego (the scribes and Pharisees occupying "Moses's seat" and then expecting people to call them "Rabbi", "Father", etc but doing nothing to "lift a finger" to alleviate the burden they bind on people's consciences / the obligations they impose. It is a discourse on SERVANT leadership ("The Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many") NOT a fastidious rant about religious forms of address or ecclesiastic titles.
ii.) IF the typical Protestant interpretation of Matthew 23: 9 is correct, then it makes St. Paul a sinner and invalidates the divine inspiration of his epistles,
"I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I BECAME YOUR FATHER IN CHRIST JESUS through the gospel. Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me."
cf. I Corinthians 4: 14-16
Obviously St. Paul is not referring to biological paternity, but a spiritual one "through the Gospel". By preaching the Gospel to the Corinthians in his ministry, he became a FATHER to them, by their becoming "beloved children" of God. Besides this passage, Ephesians 3: 14-15 is also good,
"For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom ALL FATHERHOOD in heaven and on earth is named,...".
In other words, human 'fatherhood' (whether biological or spiritual) PARTICIPATES IN God's Fatherhood. At Matthew 23: 9, Jesus Christ is admonishing the scribes and Pharisees who had gotten such an inflated sense of ego that they believed, because they sat on "Moses's seat" deciding matters by interpreting Tanakh / the "Old Testament" and applying it to specific cases brought to them by the People of God, that they were CHANGING clear prescriptions laid down in Torah (e. g. setting aside the commandment to 'Honor father and mother" by a child claiming the support they were obligated to give to their parents they would give to "God" because they decided it was a higher purpose, etc) and substituting their man made rules, AS IF they themselves were the "Father" / YHWH.
The passage is not about a literalist use of a title or form of address ("father") but about servant leadership. And when their fastidious Protestant interpretation so OBVIOUSLY contradicts I Corinthians 4: 14-16 where the Apostles St. Paul calls himself "father" by analogy to those to whom he preached the Gospel, you can be sure their interpretation is wrong because it sets two separate passages of divinely inspired sacred Scripture at odds with one another🤦♀️
Great video. In Mtt 23 Jesus given the "seven wores" was calling covenant cursings of Lev 26 which states Yahweh will punish Israel "seven times" for her sins. And of course this section in Matthew (21-24) is the judgment that was to come upon Jerusalem. Jesus told them to not ignore the "weightier matters of the law" As in the fall of Samaria the northern prophets, Amos, Hosea rebuke the leaders for ignoring the poor, widows etc. This is the context. Also as Pastor Copper pointed out Paul tells Timothy he "begot" him in the faith! "Father Abraham....
Very/very good analysis.
I have all confidence that God allows we members in the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Christian Church Of Tradition to call our parents Father and Mother,who ever came out with this false interpretation that it’s a sin or blasphemy against God to call your parents Father or Mother is truly a liar.For did not God him self give us his Ten Commandments and one of these Commandments is to Honour your Father and your Mother! How dare these people go up against God and his infallible Teachings,now God permits us to call our Dad Father so how much more does God permit us to call a Hierarchy member and a priest Father in the spiritual sense because that’s what was used to call Abraham Father and others in the epistles of the Apostles
Are u listening to Jesus or St Peter?
Both
Very interesting
De-facto Paul is called himself a mother: "My little children, of whom I TRAVAIL IN BIRTH AGAIN until Christ be formed in you".
Fun fact.
People don’t say it because “it is a catholic thing.” But Catholics got it right..
Jesus does not say to call no man Teacher, that is a horrible translation. We are told to call no man kathégétés, which appears only here in all of the New Testament.
Most translations rend it, Instructor, or Leader, although I think the KJV's use of Master is quite fitting, as one having Rule Over You.
This is very different from the role of Teacher in the Body of Christ, which again is an entirely different word in Greek, which means to be a teacher, from the Greek to teach.
“Full well, you reject my commandment that you may keep your tradition” why is this complicated? It’s simple; just don’t do it. Why must Christians always put their toes over just the line of God’s precepts. God alone is our Father.
Beth with respect as well, the Catholic Church is guilty of doing exactly as Jesus warned against in that passage. Spiritual supremacy in the hierarchy runs rampant in the RCC and is quite shameful indeed. The key verse in that passage is such, “Let he who is greatest among you be the servant of all.” This is not what we see in the Roman tradition, on the contrary, we see popes and cardinals and bishops living like millionaires and wanting for nothing. They live in ivory towers and walk on red carpets sporting all manner of lavish wardrobes and drinking out of golden cups. Mr. Francis lives in an impenetrable fortress with the riches of the world under his feet and chides America for wanting to build a wall. If you want to see what servant leadership looks like, you’ll have to study Paul’s life, He being the example; the greatest Christian to ever live.
Beth there’s nothing erroneous about what I wrote and everyone knows it. Of course I’m not saying that some Catholic priests and nuns haven’t lived lives of suffering and hardship as they gave their lives to further Christianity. I’m saying these are examples of the greatest. The hierarchy and the papacy are a political machine. A machine that has perverted the true gospel for the sake of appeasing the world. “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me.” John Paul ll reiterated the Vatican ll’s damnable heresy which states that a Muslim can enter the gates of heaven but a Protestant cannot. These unregenerate power seekers are more interested in self preservation than they are in the purity of the Gospel. “For if I seek to please men I would not be the bond servant of Christ.” I’m a self employed drywall contractor and drive a 2006 Chevy van, and by the way, I’m not asking anyone to call me their spiritual Father.
Beth you should study your own religion Beth, respectfully. I used to be Catholic, I know what I’m saying is true because I’ve written 5 thesis on Catholicism. And why do you refer to the RCC as a “her.” Is it because Catholics love their Virgin Mother so much that they prefer to think of her rather than Christ. Just say yes! Your idea of Mary answering prayers is idolatry, Mary would have to be omniscient in order to hear the prayers of millions of Catholics. She would also have to be omnipresent, in order to hear those prayers. That means Mary would have to be all-knowing and in all places at all times in order to do what you claim she can do. This would mean Mary is a Goddess. 🔑 Only God has those attributes.
Beth Blessings* Mary is the mother of Christ in his humanity, but not his deity. I also honor Mary in the proper way. We see Mary making the same mistakes that an ordinary Christian would make. Her leaving Jesus for 3 days, overlooking his absence in the Caravan proves one of two things: He is overlooked because Mary is busy with her other children. (What mother of a single child doesn’t concern herself greatly with it?) Or she is simply not paying attention to her role as a mother. I suppose both are possible. BTW Being a Protestant does not guarantee salvation, there are many so-called Protestants that are unregenerate and haven’t given “diligence to make their calling and election sure.” (Peter). Some self proclaimed Protestants will suffer a greater damnation because they have perverted the gospel of Christ in an effort to gain wealth. Simply protesting false teachings doesn’t write your ticket. You must be born again of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the promised Seed of the Abrahamic covenant. (Galatians 3). The 10 commandments and the Jewish priesthood came 430 years after God gave the promise to Abraham. Consequently, Islam began 600 years after Christ. All who teach a performance based salvation are in bondage to it. (Galatians4)
Beth since when has the gospel been logical, we are discussing an unheard of mystery. The only reason you and I believe in a virgin birth is because God has revealed it to be true. What about others who have lived and died and have not had that revelation? Which is another mystery. Of course he was not split in two persons, but his parents were, that is the rub. 🤔🤔You want to deify a sinner, “My soul rejoices in God my Savior.” Those are Mary’s words not mine Beth. Only sinners need a Savior. With all the mysteries involved in Christianity, I prefer to believe in the Bible rather than an in the interpretations of an institution with a track record like the RCC. The Word of God does not have a motive like that which sinful man possesses. Ever wondered why Jewish Scholars included so much heinous information about their own people. Why not just leave the depraved parts out? Especially when they reveal the true nature of man. Jews are sorely disappointing and Christians are counted as sheep for the slaughter. The MOTIVES of the ruling class of the RCC cannot be trusted.
But also priets/pastors now days use it for jonour and glory...to the point of claiming yo be honoured citing old testaments prophets were honoured.......but ues i agree depends on motive either side though with human pride and need for control its a thin line
My aflc Lutheran Pastor wears a shirt and tie and nice pants dresses more like a Baptist I don't think it's wrong he dresses nice and he's preaches the word of God
Okay thanks that makes a lot of sense I still believe when the Roman Catholics call the pope Holy Father that is definitely wrong and I'm sure you agree
Why?
@@mordimerlives cuz we have one Holy Father in heaven and he is not
@@emsdiy6857 can a word or phrase mean two different things in different contexts? Because I would agree with you The Pope is not 'Holy Father' like the First person of the Trinity.
@@mordimerlives well con texts is not interpretation. It the verses that ho Long with the text.
@@johntabuchi6831 neighboring words is one type of context but it's not the only one. We can get historical context, etymology of the interpretations over time, as well as context from different books (such as the Gospels to help understand Paul or Leviticus to understand Hebrews). In this case looking at different books and the early Christian community is enough to gather at what was meant and not meant by Jesus's "Call no man Father."
I’ve often wondered about this. Thank you. My brother is Roman Catholic so I often wonder about what is the right way to show respect for his church. I do believe that Catholics are a valid church and see Lutheranism as the true Catholic Church modeled after the earliest Catholic Churches.
From what I have learned it seems that a 3rd century Catholic priest would recognize a Lutheran church far more readily than a modern Catholic Church…. With some exceptions in both directions.
These days most pastors wanna be call posters
Christ was using hyperbole!
What a great father to call Jesus Christs words untrue??
"All that matters is your attitude 💃(dancing)"🎶🎶🎶C.Simom
But Paul never actually said he was their sîritual father, he implied a relationship with believers like a father/son relationship without actually calling himself their father. The analogy is for them to understand the relationship. The many fathers referred to in verse 15 are biological fathers. The term father applied in a spiritual sense, forbidden by Jesus, cannot be twisted as you have done. It's a commandment. Just don't do it. It's simple to understand if you just try. The term teacher should not be used for Spiritual teacher. I don't believe Jesus was talking about teacher for other things, which would not be wrong. The context is spiritual. Context shows it to be so. So I had a father who was a teacher, and I never referred to him as spiritual teacher or father. Your explanation manages to twist the words of your teacher.
Yes, it is wrong! Matthew 23:9
Well you clearly didn’t watch the video….
@@lukasg9031 That’s the typical response when you don’t have a pot to pee in. SMH
@@alanschuetz9552 like seriously, you didn’t watch the video 😆
You got it! A lot experts don't understand the Holy Scriptures. Jesus was speaking in a spiritual context. Through him, people have access to the Almighty God (father) and can receive the holy Spirit (teacher). Every good and perfect gifts come from God; God uses people to transfer his message. They should never replace God. Don't Give praise and honor to men that should go to God. If in a congregation people are calling you teacher, remind them that God is the Ultimate teacher and He is using you. This has nothing to do with skills and qualifications on earth. Amen.
I know a family member who used this rule, to also abstain from using the word FATHER for his biological father. That's what I call a biblicist.
RomGabe Well, I can respect the consistency.
It would be more consistent, if they also applied the same rule for "teacher". But Christians and churches who object to "father" have no problem with having "Sunday School teachers". Quite inconsistent one may say, even for biblicists.
@@esther7bs Sir, you are aware that Rabbi is simply teacher in a other language, yes?
burgess Tarapore Paul refers to himself as a spiritual father to Timothy in 2timothy1:2 “2Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord” only Baptist’s, pentecostals, Jehovah’s witnessed, and mormons refer to each other as brother solely. Baptist’s use this while ignoring other biblical texts and constantly taking scripture literally without taking into account the context of the verses in scripture according to their time and intended audience.
He said lots of times of what '' jesus said '' -- well, everything '' jesus said\says '' is what someone who never him said he said, which is when the voice in my head said stop watching, which is what I did.
Your comment made no sense. Please elaborate
@@mcfadden139 Jesus left not one written word nor did he have one eyewitness to his life so how do I not make sense ?
Yeah ... no. In trying to avoid the error of hyper-literalism, your explanation errors too much in the other direction. Obviously you're going to call some people fathers and teachers. But do you really think Christ merely meant "don't be prideful"? Why didnt' He just say that? Did He really not care at all about the titles themselves?
The import of those titles in Roman Catholic doctrine is much the same as that which the rabbis in Christ's time claimed for themselves: that of authoritative Scripture interpretation. That's why I avoid calling an RC priest father.
Not sure what you Lutherans intend by calling your pastors by the same name, but it seems like it would be very confusing to someonw who grew up treating clergy as if they somehow had a more direct line to God.
“Was not ➡️Abraham our father⬅️ justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?”
James 2:21
How do you explain this? Pastor means shepherd. If Jesus is the Good Shepherd, are we no longer allowed to call heads of congregations as pastors?? Why does John in his epistles call the believers that he is writing to as “little children” if he did not think he had a fatherly role in a spiritual sense in their lives?
“I have no greater joy than to hear that ➡️my children⬅️ walk in truth.”
3 John 1:4
“➡️Little children⬅️, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.”
1 John 5:21
Your anti-Catholic inclinations blur your judgement
The answer is obvious. Yes, it's wrong since there's no intermediary necessary between us and God.
False teaching