As a Protestant, I really struggled with the vast range of beliefs we had across denominations even though we all were reading the same Scriptures and all agreed the Bible was all we needed. Asking (and learning) "but what did it mean to the early Christians?" was a critical step in my journey towards the true Faith. So easy to read things in an isolated manner through only the lens of our current culture and time.
Absolutely! A lot of beautifully peaceful answers are found by looking at what Early Christians believed. And it's powerful knowing our faith is the same as theirs.
100% true I grew up Baptist but I now go to an Orthodox church but am not catechized yet I do still have some questions but I think Orthodoxy is the closest we have to the original I was blown away by the reverence holiness and the nice and non judging laity. I realized protestantism has it all wrong when I saw my first Divine liturgy.
@@Johnathan909309 I find such a difference between a Holy Mass & a Protestant service! I just wish more Protestants would open their hearts & attend a Mass or two...it can be life changing❤
In the Pentecostal church I go to, we frequently ask "but what did these scriptures mean to the early church?" We are always trying to align ourselves closer and closer to the early church, to the apostles, and God the Son. However, I do not see the answers in the Western denominations. So, if Orthodoxy is THE Church, that is were I will go.
As I have started listening and reading on the early church. I have really fallen in love with the Orthodox church. I currently attend a nondenominational church, but if I had to choose a new church. It would be the Orthodox church.
Thank you both for discussing this particular topic. I had that question before since Protestant Christian friends/family would pose this as a problem with Orthodoxy.
As a devotee protestant, I felt really good about that video, you showed the correct arguments without just saying "protestant reformation invented that", but even quoting the reformers on the topic. Sadly nowadays a lot of protestants contradict the reformers and adopt easily just "bad arguments" and bad interpretations of the Bible of misunderstandings. The Reformation was about returning to the old faith, not inventing anything by our own understanding of the Bible, and I hope your videos along with protestant videos correcting wrong modern protestant misunderstandings could help the entire church.
This shows how easy it is to misinterpret the bible without having proper instruction and also, how it's very bad practice to isolate one verse apart from the rest of the bible and holy tradition.
I love that you came, conquered, and even shared a tea recipe. Thanks for the recipe and the channel!I think the videos are going great! Very helpful and short snippets. - a recent convert to Orthodoxy
I've seen your map of christian history a few times now. It served you well to start early in your channel with that, a good guide for all conversion. Thank you for clarification on this subject. Bless you.
Hi, thanks for your channel as I am currently exploring Eastern Orthodoxy. I am also, however, reading/listening to those who have left Eastern Orthodoxy; namely, ex-Orthodox Priest Joshua Schooping and the ex-Orthodox community on Reddit.
I'd recommend Craig Truglia and Fr. John Whiteford's response to Schooping. He's largely an egomaniac who became bitter because he wasn't getting enough attention in Orthodoxy and couldn't succeed in hamfisting his unexamined protestant worldview in Orthodoxy.
I love your sweater as well. Nothing wrong with a good fitting vest, but this one better represents your warmth of character I feel. Also, your brother did a good job setting up that place. Not to crowded, not to empty. Just like our minds when listening Also, why did you start using a coaster for your cup of tea? The tea rings on the table was giving that table character, a lovley reminder of the past. Bless you.
I am a new viewer of you videos. Love the content. But thought I would share how interesting it was to see an LDS advertisement after your video. No, No TH-cam.
This is great haven for pilgrims ❤ Bless you ladds PS come to our land ... we dont use father (fr)... we call batushka. Its special in slavic with respect.❤
There's not a thing wrong with slurping on a video! It just verifies that you're a human being. I heard once that the Amish women here in the U.S. purposely leave mistakes in their sewing projects in order to be human and humble. So slurp away and enjoy your tea while we enjoy your videos!
But we want that slurp sound! Anyways thank you for your great videos. I could watch so much of it. Any other Orthodox channels on TH-cam that you like or would suggest?
Usually I find that anytime the Bible seemingly contradicts itself its because English translations are horrible and/or we are so removed from historical context that the meaning is lost. Another issue is translators trying to connect the gospels too closely. My biggest pet peeve is the Luke verse "Wherever the Body is there the Eagles are gathered together." Only the KJV is correct. In context Jesus is talking about Christians being gathered by the angels. But because of translators wanting sychronicity they replaced eagles with vultures to match the other gospels that are talking about sinners in a similar text, regardless that the Greek words used Clearly deliniated that they were very different passages. Ok. Rant over.
Similar way as we are called sons (and daughters) of God by grace, after Him Who is the Only-Begotten Son of God by nature, so the title "father" is given to priests by grace. Very same logic can be applied to many other titles: Jesus Christ is the Angel (literally "Messenger") of the Lord by nature, and thus faithful spirits and even some people are called messengers (angels and prophets) of God by grace. Jesus is the King, thus people who are ordained by God's will to lead their people are called kings. Jesus is the Shepherd, Jesus is the Priest, Jesus is the Judge. I could keep going on, but the point is clear. Very same pattern is in the heart of *_theosis_* too.
May I suggest, that the title "Father", is a reference to Christ God. As with venerating an Icons, the 'honour is passed over to the archytype'. So when we greet a priest with 'Father', we are greeting Christ/God the Father, honouring Him.
Hello brother ☦, I have heard and this explanation from elder Mytilineos : We see in the Gospel (John 14,8) that Jesus extends Fathernity to Him , so when Philip is seeing Jesus , he sees the Father , as Jesus said. Therefore , an Eastern Orthodox priest is in place of Christ , into the Church , and it is valid to call him Father. Gospel of John 14: 8 - 10 ... 8. *Philip said to him: Lord, show us the Father and it is enough for us.* 9. Jesus said to him: *I am with you all this time, and you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father;* and how do you say, show us the Father? 10. Do you not believe that I am in the father and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I do not speak of myself, but the father who is in me does the works.
Misionarul , predicatorul nu simte și responsabilitate pentru creșterea duhovnicească a ucenicilor, dar un părinte , da. Aici este diferența, așa cum spune Sf. Apostol Pavel, ca părinte duhovnicesc, simte "durerile facerii(nașterii)"fiilor săi, în sens spiritual, căci și va da socoteală Lui Dumnezeu pentru ei.
The holders of these titles must not claim them to themselves but recognise it is because others can glimpse God through them, as you say they are pointers to God. I’m so sad that the Anglican Church (? &others?) are changing the Lord’s Prayer to “Our parent”. Come Lord Jesus.
So what he's basically saying is that the bible isn't literal and especially the words of Jesus? Seems a slippery slope to me. I don't mean this as hypercritical either. Im curious about orthodoxy and have been for a couple of years. The other thing is iconography being a toeing of the line to idolatry. Also praying to the saints rather than praying to God. And also worshipping Mary herself. Seems idolatrous. Its all very confusing
What we're stating in this video is the traditional and correct Christian interpretation of the verse. Nobody for the majority of Christian history saw Jesus as talking against priests, and the verse has been misinterpreted in the last couple of centuries by Western readers (especially in English). Iconography is emphatically NOT idolatry. For our intro on the subject watch here: th-cam.com/video/iCixfrMY5ME/w-d-xo.html The saints are not replacements for God: th-cam.com/video/sCqsLV_ayIo/w-d-xo.html Here is our understanding of Mary: th-cam.com/video/rS7JBF_M93I/w-d-xo.html The Orthodox strongly stand against idolatry, and preserve, defend, and love the teachings of Christ our Lord. With all of our videos, do check out the extra research links we add in the descriptions. And if you can, please visit an Orthodox Church and chat through your questions/concerns with a priest there. The only place for an Orthodox discussion is in real life! God bless, and thanks for watching.
1. He is not saying the Bible isn't literal, he is saying you must seek to understand it correctly through the lens of the Church. 2. Read St. John Damascus on Iconography and the 7th Ecumenical Council; Nicaea II. 3. We do not pray to the saints RATHER than to God. We pray to God and ask the Saints for their intercessions. 4. We do not worship Mary.
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As a Protestant, I really struggled with the vast range of beliefs we had across denominations even though we all were reading the same Scriptures and all agreed the Bible was all we needed. Asking (and learning) "but what did it mean to the early Christians?" was a critical step in my journey towards the true Faith. So easy to read things in an isolated manner through only the lens of our current culture and time.
Absolutely! A lot of beautifully peaceful answers are found by looking at what Early Christians believed. And it's powerful knowing our faith is the same as theirs.
100% true I grew up Baptist but I now go to an Orthodox church but am not catechized yet I do still have some questions but I think Orthodoxy is the closest we have to the original I was blown away by the reverence holiness and the nice and non judging laity. I realized protestantism has it all wrong when I saw my first Divine liturgy.
@@Johnathan909309where are you on your journey at the moment if i may ask? :) did you become a catechumen?
As Paul tells us in the Bible, we are to follow the traditions left to us by the apostles both written and shown.
@@Johnathan909309 I find such a difference between a Holy Mass & a Protestant service! I just wish more Protestants would open their hearts & attend a Mass or two...it can be life changing❤
This channel is my new hobby
same
I am a simple guy, I see Patristix have a new video, I click the new video
simple as that.
I love this channel, keep up the good work.
Love this comment. Thanks!
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In the Pentecostal church I go to, we frequently ask "but what did these scriptures mean to the early church?" We are always trying to align ourselves closer and closer to the early church, to the apostles, and God the Son. However, I do not see the answers in the Western denominations. So, if Orthodoxy is THE Church, that is were I will go.
Christ is Risen! How has your journey been brother?
Amen
As I have started listening and reading on the early church. I have really fallen in love with the Orthodox church. I currently attend a nondenominational church, but if I had to choose a new church. It would be the Orthodox church.
One and only Church. Greetings
God bless you. I pray you will one day come and see the Divine Liturgy.
Welcome home
As a Baptist pastor, you did a excellent job of explaining this
Stephan, you are amazing at what you do. God bless!!!!
Your support has meant a lot for this, my friend!
Thank you both for discussing this particular topic. I had that question before since Protestant Christian friends/family would pose this as a problem with Orthodoxy.
5:42 marking this to come back for reminders ❤
As a devotee protestant, I felt really good about that video, you showed the correct arguments without just saying "protestant reformation invented that", but even quoting the reformers on the topic. Sadly nowadays a lot of protestants contradict the reformers and adopt easily just "bad arguments" and bad interpretations of the Bible of misunderstandings. The Reformation was about returning to the old faith, not inventing anything by our own understanding of the Bible, and I hope your videos along with protestant videos correcting wrong modern protestant misunderstandings could help the entire church.
Very true. Such as the veneration of Mary. No longer doing that is a very recent innovation in Protestant churches.
This shows how easy it is to misinterpret the bible without having proper instruction and also, how it's very bad practice to isolate one verse apart from the rest of the bible and holy tradition.
Absolutely!
You just have to follow the holy fathers.
I love that you came, conquered, and even shared a tea recipe. Thanks for the recipe and the channel!I think the videos are going great! Very helpful and short snippets.
- a recent convert to Orthodoxy
Welcome to the Church, Beth! Thanks for the kind words.
Hope the chai turns out well. It's a delicious and warming recipe 👌
Moving through the videos in order. Have to stop here for tonight. I'm quite enjoying them. Thank you. The Lord bless you.
I've seen your map of christian history a few times now. It served you well to start early in your channel with that, a good guide for all conversion.
Thank you for clarification on this subject.
Bless you.
Thanks for drinking the tea on the show
It had to be done 😆
Bro what a find your channel is 🙏
Its good to see how much you love what you are talking about. Keep being blessed with such enthusiasm, its your duty now since people listen to you.
Loved it! Good work! Glory to God - may your works be blessed!
That's great that you all talk about Andrew's new wife too. Great stuff to you both, Stephan and Andrew.
She makes AMAZING chai! We have a cool team behind these videos. Thanks for the support, friend!
Is so well put together I absolutely love it. And this is doubly great for the older kids high school age that are going through Sunday school.
Cheers, Joel!
Great, great channel! God bless you brother in your work.
By the way, Masala tea is my favourite as well!
Thanks for the kind words and yes, masala chai is AMAZING
Thank you for sharing.🙏✨
Well said. Thank you! ❤️☦️
Thank you for this.
TEA information! YESSSS! Also, you should talk about why we call bishops master.
Hi, thanks for your channel as I am currently exploring Eastern Orthodoxy. I am also, however, reading/listening to those who have left Eastern Orthodoxy; namely, ex-Orthodox Priest Joshua Schooping and the ex-Orthodox community on Reddit.
I'd recommend Craig Truglia and Fr. John Whiteford's response to Schooping. He's largely an egomaniac who became bitter because he wasn't getting enough attention in Orthodoxy and couldn't succeed in hamfisting his unexamined protestant worldview in Orthodoxy.
@@NavelOrangeGazer he also kept shopping around because no bishop would ordain him, until he found one
I love the tea touch. I just finished a bag of Masala Chai. Tasty.
Good work guys! 🙏💖➕
very good analogy!
I love your channel. Good work, man.
Go go go!
Go go gadget Bible Study!
@@Patristix grew up on that one! …and Thundercats! Hoooooooooo
Nice job!
As a Baptist on the few occasions that I have met Roman Catholic priests,I have used the word father out of respect.
I love your sweater as well. Nothing wrong with a good fitting vest, but this one better represents your warmth of character I feel.
Also, your brother did a good job setting up that place. Not to crowded, not to empty. Just like our minds when listening
Also, why did you start using a coaster for your cup of tea? The tea rings on the table was giving that table character, a lovley reminder of the past.
Bless you.
What was the name of the beautiful instrumental music in the background near the end of the video?
I am a new viewer of you videos. Love the content. But thought I would share how interesting it was to see an LDS advertisement after your video. No, No TH-cam.
That's hilarious 😆
Amen.
You are wise
This is great haven for pilgrims ❤
Bless you ladds
PS come to our land ... we dont use father (fr)... we call batushka. Its special in slavic with respect.❤
There's not a thing wrong with slurping on a video! It just verifies that you're a human being. I heard once that the Amish women here in the U.S. purposely leave mistakes in their sewing projects in order to be human and humble. So slurp away and enjoy your tea while we enjoy your videos!
Hahaha thank you so much!
"The final father" ... made me think: the final boss 😂
thanks for the explanation, man
But we want that slurp sound!
Anyways thank you for your great videos. I could watch so much of it. Any other Orthodox channels on TH-cam that you like or would suggest?
Love the video man actually touching, especially the outro with slurping. God bless 🙏🏼
Usually I find that anytime the Bible seemingly contradicts itself its because English translations are horrible and/or we are so removed from historical context that the meaning is lost.
Another issue is translators trying to connect the gospels too closely. My biggest pet peeve is the Luke verse "Wherever the Body is there the Eagles are gathered together." Only the KJV is correct. In context Jesus is talking about Christians being gathered by the angels.
But because of translators wanting sychronicity they replaced eagles with vultures to match the other gospels that are talking about sinners in a similar text, regardless that the Greek words used Clearly deliniated that they were very different passages.
Ok. Rant over.
I think the slurping, especially with the tea, is meet and right.
😆 Legendary comment
Similar way as we are called sons (and daughters) of God by grace, after Him Who is the Only-Begotten Son of God by nature, so the title "father" is given to priests by grace. Very same logic can be applied to many other titles: Jesus Christ is the Angel (literally "Messenger") of the Lord by nature, and thus faithful spirits and even some people are called messengers (angels and prophets) of God by grace. Jesus is the King, thus people who are ordained by God's will to lead their people are called kings. Jesus is the Shepherd, Jesus is the Priest, Jesus is the Judge. I could keep going on, but the point is clear. Very same pattern is in the heart of *_theosis_* too.
May I suggest, that the title "Father", is a reference to Christ God. As with venerating an Icons, the 'honour is passed over to the archytype'. So when we greet a priest with 'Father', we are greeting Christ/God the Father, honouring Him.
Hello brother ☦, I have heard and this explanation from elder Mytilineos :
We see in the Gospel (John 14,8) that Jesus extends Fathernity to Him , so when Philip is seeing Jesus , he sees the Father , as Jesus said.
Therefore , an Eastern Orthodox priest is in place of Christ , into the Church , and it is valid to call him Father.
Gospel of John 14: 8 - 10 ...
8. *Philip said to him: Lord, show us the Father and it is enough for us.*
9. Jesus said to him: *I am with you all this time, and you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father;* and how do you say, show us the Father?
10. Do you not believe that I am in the father and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I do not speak of myself, but the father who is in me does the works.
Misionarul , predicatorul nu simte și responsabilitate pentru creșterea duhovnicească a ucenicilor, dar un părinte , da. Aici este diferența, așa cum spune Sf. Apostol Pavel, ca părinte duhovnicesc, simte "durerile facerii(nașterii)"fiilor săi, în sens spiritual, căci și va da socoteală Lui Dumnezeu pentru ei.
The holders of these titles must not claim them to themselves but recognise it is because others can glimpse God through them, as you say they are pointers to God.
I’m so sad that the Anglican Church (? &others?) are changing the Lord’s Prayer to “Our parent”. Come Lord Jesus.
What is the source for the quote from Calvin that begins at 4:34?
It is from John Calvin's commentary on 1 Timothy 1:2
I just moved a comma and then it's me telling my dad to get off the phone
This is hilarious!
Indian Masala Tea is the best 🎉
Agreed. There are MANY different variants but they're all incredibly!
So what he's basically saying is that the bible isn't literal and especially the words of Jesus? Seems a slippery slope to me. I don't mean this as hypercritical either. Im curious about orthodoxy and have been for a couple of years. The other thing is iconography being a toeing of the line to idolatry. Also praying to the saints rather than praying to God. And also worshipping Mary herself. Seems idolatrous. Its all very confusing
What we're stating in this video is the traditional and correct Christian interpretation of the verse. Nobody for the majority of Christian history saw Jesus as talking against priests, and the verse has been misinterpreted in the last couple of centuries by Western readers (especially in English).
Iconography is emphatically NOT idolatry. For our intro on the subject watch here: th-cam.com/video/iCixfrMY5ME/w-d-xo.html
The saints are not replacements for God: th-cam.com/video/sCqsLV_ayIo/w-d-xo.html
Here is our understanding of Mary: th-cam.com/video/rS7JBF_M93I/w-d-xo.html
The Orthodox strongly stand against idolatry, and preserve, defend, and love the teachings of Christ our Lord. With all of our videos, do check out the extra research links we add in the descriptions. And if you can, please visit an Orthodox Church and chat through your questions/concerns with a priest there. The only place for an Orthodox discussion is in real life!
God bless, and thanks for watching.
1. He is not saying the Bible isn't literal, he is saying you must seek to understand it correctly through the lens of the Church.
2. Read St. John Damascus on Iconography and the 7th Ecumenical Council; Nicaea II.
3. We do not pray to the saints RATHER than to God. We pray to God and ask the Saints for their intercessions.
4. We do not worship Mary.
@@Patristix thank you for clarifying. I likely will visit an Orthodox church soon and see what it's all about.
@@andrewh7606 thank you.
@@beardedrancher Great to hear! May God bless your visit!
Great video, but now "father" doesn't sound like an actual word to me anymore from hearing it so much
Great. Come on over, I'll introduce you to Jesus Christ in the One Holy Catholic (Universal) Orthodox Church