These old Video Ordnance VHS tapes were great. They were inexpensive but included footage and information on lots of military gear that wasn't talked about much, even on fledgling cable networks like Discovery.
Really not. It contains no information of real relevance - for example the strenght tables for NATO or Warsaw Pact, penetration capabilities of adversaries, survivability, doctrin, etc. Things that matter the most on a battlefield. It's all just bohoo and flashy music with almost no relevance.
@@streetfighter2471 Not really. Can read that all up in Osprey Publishing books and the like. This flick is just the trash food equivalent of a documentary. ;)
I got to Germany in January 1990. In that year I went to Grafenwoehr 3 or 4 times and Hohenfels 2 or 3 times. The op tempo was high and was great preparation for what came in 1991. Iraq invaded Kuwait in August. I think it was September or October when my unit was informed we were deploying to Saudi Arabia. In fact, we were in a motorpool at Hohenfels having just come out of the box when we found out.
I graduated Tank class at Fort Knox in Feb 1987 and wemt straight to Fort Hood and the first M1 I was assigned was serial number XM1007 "preproduction tank several years old and beat up by then!" Finally got to Germany in 1988 where we got the first M1A1's in Germany to transition to.....
Another wonderful documentary coverage video shared by an excellent (Mike Guardia) channel ...showed backbone importance of tanks amongst Armies strengths . especially amongst NATO packs members ...US designed tanks always considering best characteristics & capabilities
@@drear20486 if upgraded to the best version (b2 rogatka) it can be on par and beat many tanks in many ways. For example with RELIKT it has best side Armor.
@@mr.waffentrager4400 In the era of kinetic penetrators, bolting more armour onto a vehicle is increasingly redundant. Whoever can acquire and engage the enemy first will win 90% of the time. Advanced Western sights and detection methods give NATO tanks the edge, but more than anything the crew will determine the speed at which targets can be serviced.
As a Patriotic American I can say with all honesty that the coolest tank, with the best overall look of that time was the British Chieftain. I still have a model I made of it back in 81'(I was a kid) on my desk.
As a Patriotic American you should question the government why they are sending millions of dollars to other countries and not putting it to develop USA and its citizens, especially the country's education system.
@@barneycasting8331 So you cant figure out why the world's only Superpower would give "millions"(thats all? not really a big deal. Did you get educated in the American Pleblic school system?...could you mean Billions?) to keep its trading partners, military allies, along with developing countries as stable as possible? Considering that the US spends more per student on education than all but 4 other nations of the world shows that a good education system is not just about money. Explain why we have entire school districts in cities like Baltimore which has over 95% of its gradating students' who cant read or do simple math.. despite spending more on those students than almost every other developed nation in the world?
@@thecorneroftheinternet4656 'Free healthcare has been a long dream of every American citizen…' Where are you getting your "facts' from? The encyclopedia of over exaggeration and outright lies?..or was it something else..please provide an unbiased article to support your statement.
@@barneycasting8331 As a Patriotic American, you should believe in Freedom, And when you allow for a facist regime to Invade a Democratic country, you cannot be called a real American Patriot, but a coward.
In the future, I'm going to travel back in time drunk and tell these guys that in 35 years their tanks would be used to secure Ukrainian independence and prevent the reconstitution of the USSR. They'll laugh at me and think I'm drunk, but then in 35 years they'll say ... hey!!!!
Seriously don't know where you come out with this stuff 😂 But it is ironic you know... the idea of western nations fighting Soviets in Europe with MBTs involved has resurrected to become more prominent than ever although after being deemed as just another theoretical silly outcome used for the media for the last three decades Very eerie
Served with 7 armd used both chieftain and challenger recovery loved both but I stilled love the love the chieftain more it’s what I trained on before doing the challenger conversion course
21:50 Leopard family. 23:49 Many people(included me) had questioned about Gepard. But the Ukrainian proved it's the best drone killer and good deal against cruise missiles.
I served in the 11th ACR just before this film, 82-84 crewing an M1. Not an M1A1 or an IP or any other excess letter... an 'Em-Wun-Aye-Nuthin' So if M60 crewmen are 'DinoTankers', I suppose that makes me a 'NeandroTanker' 😅
"LECLERC !!!!!!" et pas "LECLAIR"... 🤨 C'était le pseudonyme d'un des plus grands militaires français... Général 3 étoiles à la tête de la 2ème Division Blindée des Forces Françaises Libres durant la seconde guerre mondiale... De son vrai nom Philippe de Hauteclocque dit "LECLERC"... Fait Maréchal à titre posthume après son accident d'avion mortel en 1947 pendant la guerre d'Indochine.... 😢 Et pour info en 1987 la FRANCE ne faisait plus partie du commandement intégré de l'OTAN depuis 1966... 😉
Have you ever read an article from bvtv or do you say this for upvotes on forums? The Abams (M1A1) gets one shotted by a shot to the turret shotted in Iraq by a 100mm APCR from a AT gun.
Once you named yourself Blue army there are only very few limited colors left to be assigned to your opponent. If you name them Red i.e Communist that's what the real enemy is but doesn't wanna Increase anxiety or come out as belligerent. Can't name them white, black or yellow these are races and you don't wanna be seen as race warrior. Can't name them green army, brown army or pink army come out condescending to opponent or taking enemy lightly. Purple, violet, doesn't roll down your tongue easily. Golden, silver, steel assigns the other side a higher pedestal.
Claiming that Chieftain is impressive and a powerful tank in 1987 is quite a stretch and was already a dubious claim in 1972. Vickers MK.7/2 was already dead at this point, 1 vehicle prototype build, no further developement and project canned in 1986. Challenger 1 was basicly just an uparmored Chieftain with slightly improved FCS, still lagging behind M1 and Leo2 in capability, primarily hold back by its inadequate FCS and main armament. Even though the 120mm L11 L/55 rifled gun was at this point issued with L23A1 APFSDS, it still lagged behind the RH120 L/44 / M256 of Leo2 and M1 in firepower and penetration. And both the 120mm L/44 smoothbore firing the 15-25% more powerful DM33 or M829A1 APFSDS was still struggling with T-72B´s and T-80U´s on ranges above 1000m
The Challenger was built just down the road from my house in Leeds, loved listening to their engines during the pre delivery tests.
Ah, Crossgates. I remember it well.
@SparksProx don't they still do that? And some tankers are surrounded by fuel tanks, not sure if that's better or worse than sitting on one.
I was an M1 Abrams crewman in 1992-1996 thanks for this video it brought back lots of good memories.
Like killin-g Iraqis?
@@Ivan-pw3sn operation desert storm ending in feb '91:
Thanks for your service!
thank you for your service
@@justit1074I guess they forgot desert storm ended in roughly a week
These old Video Ordnance VHS tapes were great. They were inexpensive but included footage and information on lots of military gear that wasn't talked about much, even on fledgling cable networks like Discovery.
I still have several...along with a functional VHS player!
Take me back to the 80s! Times were better. Thanks for the look back......
This is a class doc and the details are fantastic, just imagine this was nearly 40 years ago. Many thanks.
Really not.
It contains no information of real relevance - for example the strenght tables for NATO or Warsaw Pact, penetration capabilities of adversaries, survivability, doctrin, etc. Things that matter the most on a battlefield.
It's all just bohoo and flashy music with almost no relevance.
@@thomaskositzki9424 I'd imagine things like that are classified. They tell us all we need to know.
@@streetfighter2471 Not really.
Can read that all up in Osprey Publishing books and the like.
This flick is just the trash food equivalent of a documentary. ;)
@@thomaskositzki9424 Whatever. Bet you play war thunder or some shit you dork
Thomas, before the internet that information was unavailable to the public remember this was from the mid 1980s not 2023 ok ?
Wasn’t expecting to see some of my favorite tanks all in one video that pretty cool seeing the vfm 5 in action
These older documentaries always had the best music and sound effects. I remember having some my grandparents taped for me on VHS as a kid.
A color computer monitor in 1987 must be like having a GeForce RTX 4090 in 2023
New russian tanks are still being produced/upgraded with physical glass and mirror scopes like it's still 1960.
The average schmuck could have a color computer display for about 5 years at that point.
@@kehreazerith3016 whats wrong in having periscopes? Lmao
@@sebastiansuteu1829 well, tiny cone of vision for a start
We had computers but they just ran DOS, no Windows back then.
I got to Germany in January 1990. In that year I went to Grafenwoehr 3 or 4 times and Hohenfels 2 or 3 times. The op tempo was high and was great preparation for what came in 1991. Iraq invaded Kuwait in August. I think it was September or October when my unit was informed we were deploying to Saudi Arabia. In fact, we were in a motorpool at Hohenfels having just come out of the box when we found out.
I think the late 1980s has to be the peak of modern military aesthetics
@Sparks remove the G11 from that list and you've got me.
@Sparks its flat sided grey rectangle, its pretty bland. Give me a FAL or an AR-10B.
I graduated Tank class at Fort Knox in Feb 1987 and wemt straight to Fort Hood and the first M1 I was assigned was serial number XM1007 "preproduction tank several years old and beat up by then!"
Finally got to Germany in 1988 where we got the first M1A1's in Germany to transition to.....
Soundtrack has me doing all kinds of shapes, while simultaneously preparing for a rollover on the Fulda Gap!
I was on Chieftain and Challenger 1 1983 to 1992. Great memories. Thanks for the video
Another wonderful documentary coverage video shared by an excellent (Mike Guardia) channel ...showed backbone importance of tanks amongst Armies strengths . especially amongst NATO packs members ...US designed tanks always considering best characteristics & capabilities
USA: we have placed the crew at the center of our design process 8:06
Russia: we've made the seat out of ammo to save space.
Save space> thicker armor> tank doesn't get penned at the first place
This is the design philosophy.
this man is so sure of himself as if Russian armor hasn't been found to be comically easy to pen
@@alb9520 In the 70s and 80s there were not many shells that could do so. The T-72 is really just outdated, has been for the past 20 years
@@drear20486 if upgraded to the best version (b2 rogatka) it can be on par and beat many tanks in many ways.
For example with RELIKT it has best side Armor.
@@mr.waffentrager4400 In the era of kinetic penetrators, bolting more armour onto a vehicle is increasingly redundant. Whoever can acquire and engage the enemy first will win 90% of the time.
Advanced Western sights and detection methods give NATO tanks the edge, but more than anything the crew will determine the speed at which targets can be serviced.
I used to have this on VHS tape!
I love the old charm these types of videos
As always, great videos, very fun to watch!
The edit of these videos were made by pros, unlike today.
NATO developed true rivals to the T-14 over 30 years ago. Let that sink in.
T-80 was made to challenge the Leopard.
@@leamon_3ironic considering its not even close.
The t14 is ass even if it works.
@@thesupreme8062 Let me guess lazerpig? Or you gonna say it broke down during a parade?
@@leamon_3 it did break down during the parade though.
Man that Chrysler stingray gets the juices flowing
Respect to ALL the Tankers and AFV crews.
Dang, I served from 1987-1991 as an M1 tank crewman. 1987 seems like a lifetime ago.
As a Patriotic American I can say with all honesty that the coolest tank, with the best overall look of that time was the
British Chieftain. I still have a model I made of it back in 81'(I was a kid) on my desk.
As a Patriotic American you should question the government why they are sending millions of dollars to other countries and not putting it to develop USA and its citizens, especially the country's education system.
Free healthcare has been a long dream of every American citizen…
@@barneycasting8331 So you cant figure out why the world's only Superpower would give "millions"(thats all? not really a big deal. Did you get educated in the American Pleblic school system?...could you mean Billions?) to keep its trading partners, military allies, along with developing countries as stable as possible?
Considering that the US spends more per student on education than all but 4 other nations of the world shows that a good education system is not just about money.
Explain why we have entire school districts in cities like Baltimore which has over 95% of its gradating students' who cant read or do simple math.. despite spending more on those students than almost every other developed nation in the world?
@@thecorneroftheinternet4656
'Free healthcare has been a long dream of every American citizen…'
Where are you getting your "facts' from?
The encyclopedia of over exaggeration and outright lies?..or was it something else..please provide an unbiased article to support your statement.
@@barneycasting8331 As a Patriotic American, you should believe in Freedom,
And when you allow for a facist regime to Invade a Democratic country,
you cannot be called a real American Patriot, but a coward.
You forgot to timestamp the leopard at 21:50
In the future, I'm going to travel back in time drunk and tell these guys that in 35 years their tanks would be used to secure Ukrainian independence and prevent the reconstitution of the USSR. They'll laugh at me and think I'm drunk, but then in 35 years they'll say ... hey!!!!
wow dude its literally like the good guys in marvel beating thanos! go ukraine!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weird how they just showed the leclerc prototype, you'd say they'd keep it secret since it wouldn't be done for quite a while after this aired
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Seriously don't know where you come out with this stuff 😂
But it is ironic you know... the idea of western nations fighting Soviets in Europe with MBTs involved has resurrected to become more prominent than ever although after being deemed as just another theoretical silly outcome used for the media for the last three decades
Very eerie
Nice one 👍
Thanks you for vidéo
Steel Beasts Pro PE
Still better than WoT, ¿que no?
This is the most British thing I have ever seen. I love it.
The Vid is actually American.
The Centurion was the best tank at the end of WW2
1987... good times.
Served with 7 armd used both chieftain and challenger recovery loved both but I stilled love the love the chieftain more it’s what I trained on before doing the challenger conversion course
This is literally British Pathé, And I love it.
Funnily the Vickers Mk7/2 was, despite what the commentary said, the most advanced tank around. More advanced than Challenger, Leopard 2 or Abrams....
The leopard lookin goooood -Wyoming
21:50 Leopard family.
23:49 Many people(included me) had questioned about Gepard.
But the Ukrainian proved it's the best drone killer and good deal against cruise missiles.
The Gepard be hurtin me in war thunder
Nice!
I served in the 11th ACR just before this film, 82-84 crewing an M1. Not an M1A1 or an IP or any other excess letter... an 'Em-Wun-Aye-Nuthin'
So if M60 crewmen are 'DinoTankers', I suppose that makes me a 'NeandroTanker' 😅
That is the oldest first lieutenant that I've ever seen. Only the Canada Army has older ones.
Something about seeing that shell fly and hit a moving target gets me all hot and bothered 😂😂😂
Well this suddenly feels relevant again.
Fix your timestamps btw, it's Challenger & Chieftain.
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Nice video
Seen the M1 and MLRS come in Bamberg 85 ETS GUN BUNNY
Love the Challenger and Abrams. Not so taken by the French "choccy" Leclerc. It only works for 25 hours a week and not at all over the summer.
23:07 Leopard 1
24:03 Leopard 2
NATO 1987, Ukraine 2023
IKR, it feels so relevant right now.
the classical contemporary west, a force for good
uuuu they even got the vickers MBT
"LECLERC !!!!!!" et pas "LECLAIR"... 🤨
C'était le pseudonyme d'un des plus grands militaires français...
Général 3 étoiles à la tête de la 2ème Division Blindée des Forces Françaises Libres durant la seconde guerre mondiale...
De son vrai nom Philippe de Hauteclocque dit "LECLERC"...
Fait Maréchal à titre posthume après son accident d'avion mortel en 1947 pendant la guerre d'Indochine.... 😢
Et pour info en 1987 la FRANCE ne faisait plus partie du commandement intégré de l'OTAN depuis 1966... 😉
an 80's Chieftain or Abrams would still easily defeat 95% of the Russian tanks in Ukraine!
Easy very easy
Considering many russian tanks go back to the 70s makes sense
@@thesupreme8062 even the t-90m is a is basically a old tank with era around it
Russian doctrine emphasizes quantity over quality
I wouldn't go so far to 1980s But judging by how well Leopaard 2A4 and M1A1 is holding, i would say maybe the 1990s were way better
leclerc 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Leclerc did not exist in 1987.
it did ... it was just not in service at the time
Correct. In the documentary, it even says the Leclerc will be fielded in the early 1990s.
Leclair? :D
I never knew the M1 Abrams was used in Vietnam.
It wasn't.
@@prowlingfrost5588 It was.
@@SimDeckDidn’t even exist at the time.
@@matthewjones39 Incorrect.
@@SimDeck It first entered service in 1980. We left Vietnam way before that.
And still better than what Russia has in 2023 lol
Have you ever read an article from bvtv or do you say this for upvotes on forums? The Abams (M1A1) gets one shotted by a shot to the turret shotted in Iraq by a 100mm APCR from a AT gun.
Once you named yourself Blue army there are only very few limited colors left to be assigned to your opponent.
If you name them Red i.e Communist that's what the real enemy is but doesn't wanna Increase anxiety or come out as belligerent.
Can't name them white, black or yellow these are races and you don't wanna be seen as race warrior.
Can't name them green army, brown army or pink army come out condescending to opponent or taking enemy lightly.
Purple, violet, doesn't roll down your tongue easily.
Golden, silver, steel assigns the other side a higher pedestal.
A solid short lesson on human psychology
narrator sounds Australian
American dad tank would own this except germanys you know why
Lmao blast doors 😂😂😂 the T series of the Soviets thought that was funny to😂😂 I guess they aren’t laughing so much now🤔🤔
Brits love to invent something and then insist it is key thing worth mentioning as its used by far more impressive projects in other nations.
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Yes, because its true. I'm communicating with you by one of them 😁
9:00 19:53 26:30 27:16
@7:30 That is an old assed LT... lol.
Ah yes, still full of bot commenters
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Claiming that Chieftain is impressive and a powerful tank in 1987 is quite a stretch and was already a dubious claim in 1972.
Vickers MK.7/2 was already dead at this point, 1 vehicle prototype build, no further developement and project canned in 1986.
Challenger 1 was basicly just an uparmored Chieftain with slightly improved FCS, still lagging behind M1 and Leo2 in capability, primarily hold back by its inadequate FCS and main armament. Even though the 120mm L11 L/55 rifled gun was at this point issued with L23A1 APFSDS, it still lagged behind the RH120 L/44 / M256 of Leo2 and M1 in firepower and penetration. And both the 120mm L/44 smoothbore firing the 15-25% more powerful DM33 or M829A1 APFSDS was still struggling with T-72B´s and T-80U´s on ranges above 1000m
Alright bit salty.
@@justinboyan573 nah, just stating facts.
NATO was seriously fckd if the Warsaw Treaty forces would have attacked during the cold war.
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Abrams had the gayest accompanying music.
Just flashy high-speed passes and non-critical information.
Really just a propaganda show.
YES i used to have a disc of this !!!!
50k of the 51k views of this video since July 2022 have been from the russian Ministry of Defence.