I've found that rain of arrows with culling strike and soul drain can help with recovering mana between rare packs, plus you can throw some general utility debuffing on it for bossing
With the current Aura setup, 2 of the 6% reserve nodes from the herald cluster next to acro is enough to fit everything and free up a passive point. Hopefuly later on we can fit blasphemy without investing too much into spirit in gear
@Allie As usual, very fun build and nice guide. One quick question, what excactly is 'Acrobatics' for? I thought in PoE2 evade is right away for attack and spell hits, or am I wrong? I would loose ~35% evasion for what?
Evade now works on all strikes (happen very rarely) and projectiles (very common) but not on any aoe. If you want to evade an AoE like Shaper Slam, you need Acro in PoE 2. Most of the actual scary abilities that most mobs do fall under the category of AoE or have an aoe component that Acro is required to be able to actually Evade. The same goes for most boss abilities which are usually aoes.
A question and a comment: 1. Your description of the arrow vs. explosion damage seems to make this skill ideal for EE, which we path close to. I'm still levelling, so haven't had a chance to test this out, but sources of fire exposure are hard to come by, so this would be nice (and probably remove the need for any damage pen.) 2. If you're still running the auto ignite helm - a cheaper alternative is running Birth of Fury boots, which drop ignited ground (which auto explodes the gas). These aren't great in end game (only 15% movement speed), but cheaper and frees up your helmet slot to run Innsmouth Shabby Hood for 100% mana regen (which is a tough stat to stack on this part of the tree).
This was actually brought up to me by a friend when we were considering to put the build together a few days ago that EE would work. The only issue I see is we couldnt stack both flat fire and phys as the fire would screw us over and we would need 1 cold roll. Its hard to tell if only stacking phys and not phys + fire would be better or worse than EE. Im not to big of a fan of the boots as they kinda just feel clunky. Id honestly prefer to just use flamewall manually but they are a good option on a budget before someone can get the helmet if they really wanted to somewhat automate it.
I'm having trouble figuring out if Gas Arrow can leech mana and life. The tooltip for leech says it leeches based on physical damage, but your gas arrow does 100% fire damage after converting to the explosion. Does this imply the only way to leech mana is for the arrows to actually hit the target, meaning I have to click behind bosses so the arrows pen and then explode?
Yes, all of our leech specifically is coming from the arrows themselves not the explosions... you can thank GGG for them not adding any Ele Mana leech into the game. I hate it but its our.. and most builds only option right now to be able to sustain mana on bosses.
i'm playing the ben version, mana on kill on bow and quiver just solves the mana problem super easy. i have a good bow with 11 mana on kill and just 4 on the quiver, is enough to give back most of the cost, i'm now shopping for a way better quiver, so i can level up my gas arrow gem, since the better dps bows are getting pretty expensive. On bosses i just chugg the mana flask while melting the boss, never had a issue. Also in Tft discord, there is people selling the 3rd trial completion for 5ex. You just enter and the carry has the last boss ready for the kill, he kills it, and you just enter and get the 3rd ascendancy. If you dont have the +1 proj ascendancy yet, is massive dmg increase, TFT also sells the 4th ascendancy, but people are charging 25ex
that's great and all but where the real mana issue comes in is at late game bosses. you WILL run out of flasks and mana leech seems to completely not work with gas arrow, only mana on kill works.
2 questions. 1. Did they fix the interaction between gas arrow and the armor explosion support? Im only lvl 26, but when i shoot a gas arrow and the enemy armor breaks and explodes, it isnt igniting the cloud at all. 2. Im technically gonna be a poison pathfinder, but is it safe to assume your methods for mana sustain would still work?
As far as we know nope and Im fairly certain they woudve said something in the tldr before the notes, all we can do is watch for the patch. Even if it does, we just reroll to gas grenade or get a crossbow and use explosive shot. They pretty much cant nerf the build outside of ruinning QoL which again, i think its a very low chance it goes through this patch. It would work on poison pf but if you arent scaling the phys damage and the explosions like we are, the mana leech wount do much but it can be supplemented with mana on kill jewels.
@Alliee that's wierd. I've tried a few times now, and and the armor explosion on armor break won't ignite the gas cloud at all. It isn't a huge deal because I'm not building into that really, but I wanted some fun extra damage while I was leveling at least.
One word: Tailwind. PF offers no benefits for our build as its completly focused around Poison which plays no role in our build. Deadeye on the other hand has Tailwind which is one of the best ascendancy nodes in the game right now while also providing other good dps nodes.
I want to say thats probably ~85% or so? If so, then yeah you should be good to take it. In SC ive been telling people that they are good to take it at ~75% evasion with no acro and no tailwind and your evasion sounds substantualy higher than 75% at 61.
what stats do you suggest for jewels? there are several slots to play so I wonder which ones will be the best, overall great job, you create some of the best guides in the entire community
I meant to look at them today and get some suggestions but I ran out of time. Ill have a more difinitive list for Tuesdays update most likely but, for now what I recommend is: get 1 jewel with 1-2% mana on kill, this will make mana sustain while clearing super comfy when added on top of leech, inspiration, and the less mana cost mode. For your other jewels, get generic green jewels with good stats on them such as generic damage, bow damage, attack speed, bow attack speed, fire damage, proj damage, blind effect ect.
Im not sure what you mean, there are 2 links one for the people who are still playing the fire setup which is the midgame one, and the 2nd link is the cold setup which I am running but they both have Barrage added onto them.
@@Alliee Could very well just be me being confused, however the in video you say that you 3-link herald of ash. But in the moba its 2-link and in that part you refer to nodes located at the bottom of the passive tree, but none of the written guides path there.
Sorry, poe 1 terminology, by 3 linking I mean the main skill + 2 supports, I dont really think much about it when I say it and I can see how some people might get confused. As for the tree, we did a big rework to everyhting which I talked about in the day 4 video. I plan to combine everything together into 1 big video that people can refer to.
Were you already using mana leech on your setup o the clips? Because looking at you mana during mapping it doesn't look like the leech will sustain your mana during bosses
I only had 1 mana leech roll and a subpar bow. I had to penny pinch my jewellry and I couldnt get the 2 mana leech rolls like I recommended in the video. I plan to buy a better ring today and it should be completly fixed for now until I get a better bow. Its also highly dependant on your attack speed, the more AS you have the harder it will be to sustain.
I have no clue as I havent played endgame archmage myself or have watched anyone play it. Id expect spark to have better clear in the midgame but for this to win in the endgame due to queen of the forest. For ST damage I think this is higher to start but will lose out to spark in the endgame esp in a small area where spark shines.
So far, doing tier 7 and 8, my gear having 30 mana on death, has been more than enough, only using pots on single target rares when everything else around it died, or in bosses.
wait can i ask about req str on herald of ash . i dont know how to find the low spirit uncut gem and if high lv its req alot of str and i cant fix that.
Id recommend to try and buy one off trade as it will be the easiest solution. I hate that we cant downlevel skills in this game so your only option to get one yourself is to go and farm it... GGG wants us to use multiple elemenal and skill types but then goes and makes attribute requirements stupid. Theres a trade link for them here - www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Standard/aDaMYm8Se
new player here... i am confused between % evasion and evasion rating. how do we decide when its good time to switch to acro ... is it based on % or based on rating? i am currently in start of act 5 and wondering if i should take it .. i have i have 79% evasion with 4537 evasion rating when my passive is fully procced. i am kinda lost with understanding when evasion and accuracy numbers play coz i dont know what threshold is effective against the enemy type i am dealing at current moment. PS: love your stream and your little rants whenever someone baits u with the "nerf" talk :D :D
As a general rule of thumb ive been trying to tell people, if you are at 70-75% evasion with no acro and no tailwind stacks, its time to add in acro. You will lose a decent chunk but it will be made up in combat through your tailwind stacks. As long as you keep up with it you should be fine as the amount of flat evasion needed per % goes up per level. If you can stay at 70-75% with tailwind up you are doing great. Evasion and Accuracy numbers are kinda hard to understand as Evasion is exponential where the first 60-70% is easy to get but the last 20-25% is extremely hard. Accuracy is more of a fuzzy stat as it simply calcualtes your accuracy vs enemy evasion to determine if you have a 100% chance or not. You dont really need to worry about it in this build as we have more than enough Accuracy to hit with the projectiles of gas arrow enough to leech and the explosions dont care for accurancy chance.
Its great, especially after the Cold upgrades weve made to it in todays update video. As Hazy said, Ben was having a great time in endgame with it and ive been having a blast too. Its pretty much everything ive wanted out of a build and im surprised how comfy its felt.
Im sorry im not exactly sure what you mean, unless you mean to say Deaths Harp. Harp is decent to begnd endgame with but is by no means going to stay with you forever. I highly recommend to look for a new upgrade as soon as you have the money to.
Too expensive and its not worth it in my opinion. We would be better off just getting a 2nd or 3rd mana leech roll and actually get 2 rings than to spend 50 ex on 1 ring that doesnt do much else.
2:35 I've been playing as Explosive Shot Deadeye (crossbow skill) since mid act 3 and never once seen my mana drop below 80%, and I have no investment into mana regen at all. Debunked.
Yes there are some builds, especially crossbow skills which have a very low attack speed that dont struggle. You completly missed the point I was making that most people have horrible mana isues currently on non Stormweavers.
Incredible well made guide and build, and all the links to PoE trade is just the cheery on top. Well done Allie.
Thanks for the links with filters . Really appreciate it
I've found that rain of arrows with culling strike and soul drain can help with recovering mana between rare packs, plus you can throw some general utility debuffing on it for bossing
With the current Aura setup, 2 of the 6% reserve nodes from the herald cluster next to acro is enough to fit everything and free up a passive point. Hopefuly later on we can fit blasphemy without investing too much into spirit in gear
Oh yeah true, 2 should be enough now that we moved everything on the herald
Very nice links to gear thank you allie you the bomb!
@Allie As usual, very fun build and nice guide. One quick question, what excactly is 'Acrobatics' for?
I thought in PoE2 evade is right away for attack and spell hits, or am I wrong? I would loose ~35% evasion for what?
Evade now works on all strikes (happen very rarely) and projectiles (very common) but not on any aoe. If you want to evade an AoE like Shaper Slam, you need Acro in PoE 2. Most of the actual scary abilities that most mobs do fall under the category of AoE or have an aoe component that Acro is required to be able to actually Evade. The same goes for most boss abilities which are usually aoes.
A question and a comment:
1. Your description of the arrow vs. explosion damage seems to make this skill ideal for EE, which we path close to. I'm still levelling, so haven't had a chance to test this out, but sources of fire exposure are hard to come by, so this would be nice (and probably remove the need for any damage pen.)
2. If you're still running the auto ignite helm - a cheaper alternative is running Birth of Fury boots, which drop ignited ground (which auto explodes the gas). These aren't great in end game (only 15% movement speed), but cheaper and frees up your helmet slot to run Innsmouth Shabby Hood for 100% mana regen (which is a tough stat to stack on this part of the tree).
This was actually brought up to me by a friend when we were considering to put the build together a few days ago that EE would work. The only issue I see is we couldnt stack both flat fire and phys as the fire would screw us over and we would need 1 cold roll. Its hard to tell if only stacking phys and not phys + fire would be better or worse than EE.
Im not to big of a fan of the boots as they kinda just feel clunky. Id honestly prefer to just use flamewall manually but they are a good option on a budget before someone can get the helmet if they really wanted to somewhat automate it.
I'm having trouble figuring out if Gas Arrow can leech mana and life. The tooltip for leech says it leeches based on physical damage, but your gas arrow does 100% fire damage after converting to the explosion. Does this imply the only way to leech mana is for the arrows to actually hit the target, meaning I have to click behind bosses so the arrows pen and then explode?
Yes, all of our leech specifically is coming from the arrows themselves not the explosions... you can thank GGG for them not adding any Ele Mana leech into the game. I hate it but its our.. and most builds only option right now to be able to sustain mana on bosses.
What annoit will be on the amulets ? any ideas ?
I talked abount annoints at the end of the full build guide that went up on youtube yesterday
i'm playing the ben version, mana on kill on bow and quiver just solves the mana problem super easy. i have a good bow with 11 mana on kill and just 4 on the quiver, is enough to give back most of the cost, i'm now shopping for a way better quiver, so i can level up my gas arrow gem, since the better dps bows are getting pretty expensive. On bosses i just chugg the mana flask while melting the boss, never had a issue. Also in Tft discord, there is people selling the 3rd trial completion for 5ex. You just enter and the carry has the last boss ready for the kill, he kills it, and you just enter and get the 3rd ascendancy. If you dont have the +1 proj ascendancy yet, is massive dmg increase, TFT also sells the 4th ascendancy, but people are charging 25ex
that's great and all but where the real mana issue comes in is at late game bosses. you WILL run out of flasks and mana leech seems to completely not work with gas arrow, only mana on kill works.
2 questions.
1. Did they fix the interaction between gas arrow and the armor explosion support? Im only lvl 26, but when i shoot a gas arrow and the enemy armor breaks and explodes, it isnt igniting the cloud at all.
2. Im technically gonna be a poison pathfinder, but is it safe to assume your methods for mana sustain would still work?
As far as we know nope and Im fairly certain they woudve said something in the tldr before the notes, all we can do is watch for the patch. Even if it does, we just reroll to gas grenade or get a crossbow and use explosive shot. They pretty much cant nerf the build outside of ruinning QoL which again, i think its a very low chance it goes through this patch.
It would work on poison pf but if you arent scaling the phys damage and the explosions like we are, the mana leech wount do much but it can be supplemented with mana on kill jewels.
@Alliee that's wierd. I've tried a few times now, and and the armor explosion on armor break won't ignite the gas cloud at all. It isn't a huge deal because I'm not building into that really, but I wanted some fun extra damage while I was leveling at least.
Hey Allie! Great content following your build and it’s so great so far.
Just curious why you choose dead eye over pathfinder!
One word: Tailwind. PF offers no benefits for our build as its completly focused around Poison which plays no role in our build. Deadeye on the other hand has Tailwind which is one of the best ascendancy nodes in the game right now while also providing other good dps nodes.
@ Thanks!
Thx for the guide. I'm already lv 61 on HC act 3 cruel. I have 14.4k evasion and 18k with 10 stacks of Tailwind should I take acrobatics or not yet??
I want to say thats probably ~85% or so? If so, then yeah you should be good to take it. In SC ive been telling people that they are good to take it at ~75% evasion with no acro and no tailwind and your evasion sounds substantualy higher than 75% at 61.
what stats do you suggest for jewels? there are several slots to play so I wonder which ones will be the best, overall great job, you create some of the best guides in the entire community
I meant to look at them today and get some suggestions but I ran out of time. Ill have a more difinitive list for Tuesdays update most likely but, for now what I recommend is: get 1 jewel with 1-2% mana on kill, this will make mana sustain while clearing super comfy when added on top of leech, inspiration, and the less mana cost mode. For your other jewels, get generic green jewels with good stats on them such as generic damage, bow damage, attack speed, bow attack speed, fire damage, proj damage, blind effect ect.
The mobalytics does not seem to match what ure talking about in the video?
Im not sure what you mean, there are 2 links one for the people who are still playing the fire setup which is the midgame one, and the 2nd link is the cold setup which I am running but they both have Barrage added onto them.
@@Alliee Could very well just be me being confused, however the in video you say that you 3-link herald of ash. But in the moba its 2-link and in that part you refer to nodes located at the bottom of the passive tree, but none of the written guides path there.
Sorry, poe 1 terminology, by 3 linking I mean the main skill + 2 supports, I dont really think much about it when I say it and I can see how some people might get confused. As for the tree, we did a big rework to everyhting which I talked about in the day 4 video. I plan to combine everything together into 1 big video that people can refer to.
Were you already using mana leech on your setup o the clips? Because looking at you mana during mapping it doesn't look like the leech will sustain your mana during bosses
I think she still needs to mana flask at bossing
I only had 1 mana leech roll and a subpar bow. I had to penny pinch my jewellry and I couldnt get the 2 mana leech rolls like I recommended in the video. I plan to buy a better ring today and it should be completly fixed for now until I get a better bow. Its also highly dependant on your attack speed, the more AS you have the harder it will be to sustain.
best ranger video ever
How is this build compared to Archmage? Way more OP? Single target looks way better?
I have no clue as I havent played endgame archmage myself or have watched anyone play it. Id expect spark to have better clear in the midgame but for this to win in the endgame due to queen of the forest. For ST damage I think this is higher to start but will lose out to spark in the endgame esp in a small area where spark shines.
So far, doing tier 7 and 8, my gear having 30 mana on death, has been more than enough, only using pots on single target rares when everything else around it died, or in bosses.
wait can i ask about req str on herald of ash . i dont know how to find the low spirit uncut gem and if high lv its req alot of str and i cant fix that.
just buy or go 2 act kill monster
Id recommend to try and buy one off trade as it will be the easiest solution. I hate that we cant downlevel skills in this game so your only option to get one yourself is to go and farm it... GGG wants us to use multiple elemenal and skill types but then goes and makes attribute requirements stupid. Theres a trade link for them here - www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Standard/aDaMYm8Se
new player here... i am confused between % evasion and evasion rating. how do we decide when its good time to switch to acro ... is it based on % or based on rating? i am currently in start of act 5 and wondering if i should take it .. i have i have 79% evasion with 4537 evasion rating when my passive is fully procced. i am kinda lost with understanding when evasion and accuracy numbers play coz i dont know what threshold is effective against the enemy type i am dealing at current moment.
PS: love your stream and your little rants whenever someone baits u with the "nerf" talk :D :D
As a general rule of thumb ive been trying to tell people, if you are at 70-75% evasion with no acro and no tailwind stacks, its time to add in acro. You will lose a decent chunk but it will be made up in combat through your tailwind stacks. As long as you keep up with it you should be fine as the amount of flat evasion needed per % goes up per level. If you can stay at 70-75% with tailwind up you are doing great.
Evasion and Accuracy numbers are kinda hard to understand as Evasion is exponential where the first 60-70% is easy to get but the last 20-25% is extremely hard. Accuracy is more of a fuzzy stat as it simply calcualtes your accuracy vs enemy evasion to determine if you have a 100% chance or not. You dont really need to worry about it in this build as we have more than enough Accuracy to hit with the projectiles of gas arrow enough to leech and the explosions dont care for accurancy chance.
@@Alliee thank you
im doing witchhunter gas arrow build too and i hope they dont touch radiant grief helmet. i did a lot of investment to make it work.
5 arrows/400dps bow VS 6arrows 300dps bow, which better?
The 400 dps bow would be better by quite a large magin
How is this build doing in endgame content?
Before ben died he was destroying endgame wirh gas arrow
Its great, especially after the Cold upgrades weve made to it in todays update video. As Hazy said, Ben was having a great time in endgame with it and ive been having a blast too. Its pretty much everything ive wanted out of a build and im surprised how comfy its felt.
@@Allieedo you expect a second nerf regarding gas arrow or radiant grief?
Gonna blow your mind. Mana leach, CI, Chayula, Gas Arrow… im playing it. Its insane
There certainly is a reason why ppl are not playing Gas Arrow on a Monk variants
what about the arp bow?
Im sorry im not exactly sure what you mean, unless you mean to say Deaths Harp. Harp is decent to begnd endgame with but is by no means going to stay with you forever. I highly recommend to look for a new upgrade as soon as you have the money to.
why does your game look 10x better than mine? can u share a screenshot of your graphics settings sometime
I just have all my settings on default, pretty much everything is set to High with DLSS, balanced image quality, and nvivida reflex turned on.
You might have nis enabled In graphic settings, change it
I think this game looks way better with nvidia card unfrotunately.
you explain the windancer set up but dont show it in a video instead you choice to show normal gameplay ..
consider Thief's Torment Emerald Ring for hp and mana at late game
Too expensive and its not worth it in my opinion. We would be better off just getting a 2nd or 3rd mana leech roll and actually get 2 rings than to spend 50 ex on 1 ring that doesnt do much else.
2:35 I've been playing as Explosive Shot Deadeye (crossbow skill) since mid act 3 and never once seen my mana drop below 80%, and I have no investment into mana regen at all. Debunked.
even during bossfights?
"I don't have this issue, therefore the issue does not exist."
Yes there are some builds, especially crossbow skills which have a very low attack speed that dont struggle. You completly missed the point I was making that most people have horrible mana isues currently on non Stormweavers.
You really thought you ate 😭
"Debunked" bro thought he was a mythbuster