This is great. But I can't help to think Adobe should have added this sort of feature as part of its subscription rather than me having to rely on a third party service with yet another monthly fee to pay.
@@drewholmes9946 I agree, there is so much they could do. But they're asleep. We need a direct competitor to Adobe that can not just do the bare minimum.
Absolutely, the ability to cull blurred eyes from a shoot is such an obvious no brainier from adobe to have in lightroom as standard, it’s disgraceful that they haven’t infact, the price they charge
Great video! I was almost in tears trying to figure out how to get a 5k+ wedding gallery edited in time until I came across your video - you explained things so well. Great job.
Love this concept. Do you think it would work on wildlife photos? I have thousands of images from a recent shoot and am looking for something to help cull. Great work Fstoppers!!!
This is awesome! I do have one question though...does this mean my photos (previous ones...the one that AFTERSHOOT uses as an "example") have to be edited in Lightroom? Because I do retouch ONLY in photoshop...
This is a very promising tool. Like any automated tool - we will be comparing the efficiency gain to the cost of status quo (ie, photographer cost, outsource costs local and offshore). While it is easy to get distracted by a $20-50 a month fixed cost, the math is pretty straightforward: what is one hour of a photographer's time worth (either in revenue potential or value of life). If this saves more than an hour a month, then it can be a major bargain. Time and testing will tell! Running a McBook Pro with M2 chip - Culling sports images 2,000-5,000 per event. starting trail this month.
I'm mostly sold, but I'm curious, will the program export to Lightroom CC if we choose? I know a lot of people prefer Lightroom Classic, but I actually enjoy having a cloud storage of all my files that I can access from anywhere. I still make local backups, but CC is my primary program I use, and as nuanced of a detail as it might be, being able to integrate/export to it is a must have for me.
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Not totally convinced by AI editing, but of course it can learn from your style, culling seems very useful. One thing for me is as more and more AI built into software means having to upgrade computers more often and or components as I've already found if I wish to use Adobe denoise AI, now need a new graphics cards mine can't cope. So cost wise not just extra monthly fee, hardware upgrades more often too. All for anything that assists but for someone who doesn't do it professionally but still takes tons of images costs in using so many different bits of software too much, so hope Adobe bring out similar type of AI
I see you spoke about Lightroom catalogs, might this work for Capture One users by any chance? that's where a tonne of my edits are already and I would hate having to re edit through lightroom to recreate a signature through it
Having used Imagen after the trials I certainly realised what you are saying when you speak about. After trialing the 1500 free op[tions I realised i lost half to images i would never have "edited" so to pay .05 for that is crazy, then they said oh you have to pre-cull them, so now the AI program is pushing work back at me. Its also one of the most labourious and borring task so I was done with Imagen at that point as I was struggling to justify it. This seems like a far better option. Here hoping.
What if I don’t have “catalogs” I literally just have all my photos together Ike every time I add more they just all go together. How do I add photos to aftershoot from that lol
Thy for the video. I am sure you did a great job with color grading but yt is not representing it in the colors, its kinda whiteish, the blacks are not on point for example 0:13
Could of sworn there were like 3 other software’s like this within the past couple years. Don’t get why this is being pushed as new… nonetheless interesting.
@@FStoppers you basically mentioned “culling” and internet not required, with X amount of photos of no charge, monthly or onetime payment in the beginning on the machine versus cloud server / company processing it…. To me, that’s not much being said or new as I could of sworn you’ve touched based on such software, before monthly fees or in-app purchases, so nothing new minus a software interface difference to competitors and minimal automated processing with AI for $X amount. That’s where I was hoping to see more in-depth on how the AI learning works within your system (PC/MAC) and how it changes versus a brief overview pitch. Like most of the other learning content given versus a quick trial-to-pay advertisement🤷🏽♂️
I must say all the "a.i." programs, are really just applying presets in lightroom, i understand what they are doing but it doesnt seem special to me at all your just paying for something to apply a preset...
A preset would apply absolute values to the images regardless of starting point (exposure, saturation, etc) where as this program seems to get all your photos to end up looking similar style regardless of starting point of the original photo. This could save me a ton of time because I edit hundreds of photos on a daily basis
@@ArtKingjr yes i understand, but go back and watch how close to the settings that are applied are, its like they did "auto" upon import then just a basic preset that applies a color adjustments... that would get you nearly the same look.
@@FStoppers yes i understand, but go back and watch how close to the settings that are applied are, its like they did "auto" upon import then just a basic preset that applies a color adjustments... that would get you nearly the same look.
@@FStoppers would you consider doing some reviews of the AI Video editors you looked at? If not, how about giving us a list of names of products so we can research some options about them. I am interested in video editing as well (I am learning Davinci Resolve)
Aftershoot is not very good. Still lots of photos it picks that are blurry or someone is blinking. It also doesn’t allow presets to be applied you still have to manually go through them all.
Great! Hopefully soon this leads to reduction of prices for hiring a photographer. It makes their jobs a lot easier and shorter after a shoot so big chunk of that should reflect in lower service costs 🎉
It won't. I build a profile with 5,100 images and I edited 2 weddings using Narrative-Select for culling and Imagen-AI for the editing. I still had to check all the work of the AI to make sure it was consistent with my style. It was a great time saver. The punch in the gut was when I went to subscribe. They want 5 cents an image, 6 cents total if you use the straighten feature too. If i was used this for all my weddings, It would cost around $990 a year with their annual discount plan that is 10% off the 5 cents per edit. Most photographers would rather pocket that $1000 and edit their photos themselves.
@@smetljesm2276 For the youtubers not to mention this in their review, I consider this almost a bait and switch. They want you to get hooked then get milked. Their annual plan says "up to 25% off" but at the 18k base its 10% that turns into 8% when you add in straightening or masks. An 8% off is a joke for having to commit to 18k edit from a program that will cost $1000 a year. I COULD afford it but why pay someone else that money when i can pocket it myself? I am not sure why companies think photographers are all rich. Between gear upgrade, cost of insurance, PPA membership, Nikon NPS membership, advertising, software subs, supplies there is not a lot of money in photography unless you try to deal with rich clients for weddings, or a youtube channel to supplement your income.
Cool, you need now to be an AI expert rather than a photo expert. A choose to make. Like sailing nowadays, be an IT specialist rather than a sailor 😂😂😂
So you use AI to cull it, then you check it all anyways 🤣 and you can batch edit on photo shop with your presets. Remember different venues and rooms are not the same.
Annddd now Adobe is charging for each use of it's ai tools. I hope adobe suffers for that by losing lots of customers to ai tools that don't charge per use. But it will be years until a tool like this is good enough to be better at it than doing it manually.
Ultimately, it’s about how much your time is worth! As photographers we end up spending so much time behind the computer that ai can help alleviate. So why not harness the power of ai, the time you save is time you can use to earn more or simply live your best life!
Adobe Photo Suite isn’t comparable to this in terms of what it does. Nothing Adobe makes does what this program does. I agree, I don’t want an extra expense either, but if I was looking for something that did what this software does, I’d say it’s worth it
I shoot close to 800...I spend 3 to 4 hours with the client..Get all the necessary boring ones that you need and then I just let them be themselves and I watch and I walk with them and then retreat and again just observe. This way I get all the natural gorgeous photos and moments that photography is all about. It's not about standing looking at the camera and smiling. And that goes for every genre I photograph....Photography is about capturing a moment. You are just the observer. If i'm not doing this, I wouldn't call myself a professional photographer.
A program for the lazy and the miserable. No AI can select photos as well as the author himself. You are either not photo artists or just bombers who know nothing about creativity. You don't need to show your miserliness. Soon you'll be shooting for food through this AI, because the client eventually sees and understands everything. The profession of photographer is becoming gentler than a janitor!
This is great. But I can't help to think Adobe should have added this sort of feature as part of its subscription rather than me having to rely on a third party service with yet another monthly fee to pay.
Adobe is sleeping at the wheel for sure
@@drewholmes9946 I agree, there is so much they could do. But they're asleep. We need a direct competitor to Adobe that can not just do the bare minimum.
Yeahhh sammmeee
This. 💯
Absolutely, the ability to cull blurred eyes from a shoot is such an obvious no brainier from adobe to have in lightroom as standard, it’s disgraceful that they haven’t infact, the price they charge
Great video! I was almost in tears trying to figure out how to get a 5k+ wedding gallery edited in time until I came across your video - you explained things so well. Great job.
As an AfterShoot affiliate, this was a great explanation. Thanks, Lee!
I have been using another one that charges per image. I am switching and haven't even downloaded it. Thank you for this.
Really liking all of the content lately - keep it up!
Thanks Wayne, Send me a DM on Fstoppers and let me know which free fstoppers tutorial you'd like.
@@FStoppers Very cool! Thanks man!
@@FStoppers Are you guys gonna be doing contests again or has that stopped completely?
This is a life saver !!!!! Thank you, currently going through 5k images 😂
Great Video gonna have to try this out!!!
Yesss, did you? 👀
@@aftershoot I actually did. I picked up a code at Imaging USA and I also spoke to Mr Justin at shutter fest
Love this concept. Do you think it would work on wildlife photos? I have thousands of images from a recent shoot and am looking for something to help cull. Great work Fstoppers!!!
Thanks for sharing, this software looks very promising.
Excited for you to try it!
Works with Capture One too!
What is we dont have images to train the software. Can we choose a profile that aftershoot provide just like Imagenai?
Hi Tomas, it's something we're working on and we'll definitely be pushing it out in the future, so keep your eyes peeled!
They are amazing! It getting better and better.
This is awesome! I do have one question though...does this mean my photos (previous ones...the one that AFTERSHOOT uses as an "example") have to be edited in Lightroom? Because I do retouch ONLY in photoshop...
Does anyone have experience with Imagen AI versus Aftershoot? Which is better, or is there another program that is newer and better? Is this the best?
This is a very promising tool. Like any automated tool - we will be comparing the efficiency gain to the cost of status quo (ie, photographer cost, outsource costs local and offshore). While it is easy to get distracted by a $20-50 a month fixed cost, the math is pretty straightforward: what is one hour of a photographer's time worth (either in revenue potential or value of life). If this saves more than an hour a month, then it can be a major bargain. Time and testing will tell! Running a McBook Pro with M2 chip - Culling sports images 2,000-5,000 per event. starting trail this month.
Whats the verdict from your images? Did you keep it after the trial?
Great explanation
is that Crystal Lake Pavilion in CT?
I'm mostly sold, but I'm curious, will the program export to Lightroom CC if we choose? I know a lot of people prefer Lightroom Classic, but I actually enjoy having a cloud storage of all my files that I can access from anywhere. I still make local backups, but CC is my primary program I use, and as nuanced of a detail as it might be, being able to integrate/export to it is a must have for me.
It's on our roadmap, coming very soon! Keep your eyes peeled for updates! Future updates will includes support for Bridge, LrCC, PS. 😁
Magical Update for you: We now support Bridge, Photoshop, Lightroom CC, Capture One and so many more! Would you be open to giving us a try now? We have a free 30 day trial with no credit card info needed!🦄
Not totally convinced by AI editing, but of course it can learn from your style, culling seems very useful. One thing for me is as more and more AI built into software means having to upgrade computers more often and or components as I've already found if I wish to use Adobe denoise AI, now need a new graphics cards mine can't cope. So cost wise not just extra monthly fee, hardware upgrades more often too. All for anything that assists but for someone who doesn't do it professionally but still takes tons of images costs in using so many different bits of software too much, so hope Adobe bring out similar type of AI
I see you spoke about Lightroom catalogs, might this work for Capture One users by any chance? that's where a tonne of my edits are already and I would hate having to re edit through lightroom to recreate a signature through it
amazing. buying this now
How can a editor take it's advantage?
Meaning can read raw file?
Having used Imagen after the trials I certainly realised what you are saying when you speak about. After trialing the 1500 free op[tions I realised i lost half to images i would never have "edited" so to pay .05 for that is crazy, then they said oh you have to pre-cull them, so now the AI program is pushing work back at me. Its also one of the most labourious and borring task so I was done with Imagen at that point as I was struggling to justify it. This seems like a far better option. Here hoping.
What if I don’t have “catalogs”
I literally just have all my photos together Ike every time I add more they just all go together. How do I add photos to aftershoot from that lol
Any benefits for Nvidia GPUs with Tensor cores?
Not that I know of but I was on a MacBook and it was insanely fast anyway.
The culling and editing runs on CPU but we plan on extending support to tensor cores very soon ❤🔥
As an experiment, I'm going to try this on the next rugby game I do, just to see how it interoperates the images and corrects them.
We're curios if you've given it a try and what where your results?
How did you get on trying to convince myself this will save me time with sports large volume events@@aftershoot
What a time to be alive, we are finally arriving into era of the future that we have waited for so long.
Still no presets? 😮
Thy for the video. I am sure you did a great job with color grading but yt is not representing it in the colors, its kinda whiteish, the blacks are not on point for example 0:13
Could of sworn there were like 3 other software’s like this within the past couple years. Don’t get why this is being pushed as new… nonetheless interesting.
I explain this at the start of the video
@@FStoppers you basically mentioned “culling” and internet not required, with X amount of photos of no charge, monthly or onetime payment in the beginning on the machine versus cloud server / company processing it…. To me, that’s not much being said or new as I could of sworn you’ve touched based on such software, before monthly fees or in-app purchases, so nothing new minus a software interface difference to competitors and minimal automated processing with AI for $X amount.
That’s where I was hoping to see more in-depth on how the AI learning works within your system (PC/MAC) and how it changes versus a brief overview pitch. Like most of the other learning content given versus a quick trial-to-pay advertisement🤷🏽♂️
I must say all the "a.i." programs, are really just applying presets in lightroom, i understand what they are doing but it doesnt seem special to me at all your just paying for something to apply a preset...
Definitely not preset
It’s not a preset. A preset would do the same thing to every image.
A preset would apply absolute values to the images regardless of starting point (exposure, saturation, etc) where as this program seems to get all your photos to end up looking similar style regardless of starting point of the original photo. This could save me a ton of time because I edit hundreds of photos on a daily basis
@@ArtKingjr yes i understand, but go back and watch how close to the settings that are applied are, its like they did "auto" upon import then just a basic preset that applies a color adjustments... that would get you nearly the same look.
@@FStoppers yes i understand, but go back and watch how close to the settings that are applied are, its like they did "auto" upon import then just a basic preset that applies a color adjustments... that would get you nearly the same look.
Any AI video editors out there?
A few. Just tested one and I was no impressed though.
@@FStoppers would you consider doing some reviews of the AI Video editors you looked at? If not, how about giving us a list of names of products so we can research some options about them. I am interested in video editing as well (I am learning Davinci Resolve)
Aftershoot is not very good. Still lots of photos it picks that are blurry or someone is blinking. It also doesn’t allow presets to be applied you still have to manually go through them all.
Great!
Hopefully soon this leads to reduction of prices for hiring a photographer.
It makes their jobs a lot easier and shorter after a shoot so big chunk of that should reflect in lower service costs 🎉
It won't. I build a profile with 5,100 images and I edited 2 weddings using Narrative-Select for culling and Imagen-AI for the editing. I still had to check all the work of the AI to make sure it was consistent with my style. It was a great time saver. The punch in the gut was when I went to subscribe. They want 5 cents an image, 6 cents total if you use the straighten feature too. If i was used this for all my weddings, It would cost around $990 a year with their annual discount plan that is 10% off the 5 cents per edit. Most photographers would rather pocket that $1000 and edit their photos themselves.
@@mazzith
Wow.
I did not realize many also have per image charge...
We are trully gonna get milked for everything in the future 😭
@@smetljesm2276 For the youtubers not to mention this in their review, I consider this almost a bait and switch. They want you to get hooked then get milked. Their annual plan says "up to 25% off" but at the 18k base its 10% that turns into 8% when you add in straightening or masks. An 8% off is a joke for having to commit to 18k edit from a program that will cost $1000 a year. I COULD afford it but why pay someone else that money when i can pocket it myself? I am not sure why companies think photographers are all rich. Between gear upgrade, cost of insurance, PPA membership, Nikon NPS membership, advertising, software subs, supplies there is not a lot of money in photography unless you try to deal with rich clients for weddings, or a youtube channel to supplement your income.
Cool, you need now to be an AI expert rather than a photo expert. A choose to make. Like sailing nowadays, be an IT specialist rather than a sailor 😂😂😂
So you use AI to cull it, then you check it all anyways 🤣 and you can batch edit on photo shop with your presets. Remember different venues and rooms are not the same.
Imagine AI has their work cut out.
Annddd now Adobe is charging for each use of it's ai tools. I hope adobe suffers for that by losing lots of customers to ai tools that don't charge per use.
But it will be years until a tool like this is good enough to be better at it than doing it manually.
Adobe Photo suite (PS, LR, LRC, + BR) costs $ 10 p/m. This adds another $ 15.. No, thank you.
Ultimately, it’s about how much your time is worth! As photographers we end up spending so much time behind the computer that ai can help alleviate. So why not harness the power of ai, the time you save is time you can use to earn more or simply live your best life!
Adobe Photo Suite isn’t comparable to this in terms of what it does. Nothing Adobe makes does what this program does.
I agree, I don’t want an extra expense either, but if I was looking for something that did what this software does, I’d say it’s worth it
Why in the name of God would anyone need to shoot 441 images for a family session?
I shoot close to 800...I spend 3 to 4 hours with the client..Get all the necessary boring ones that you need and then I just let them be themselves and I watch and I walk with them and then retreat and again just observe. This way I get all the natural gorgeous photos and moments that photography is all about. It's not about standing looking at the camera and smiling. And that goes for every genre I photograph....Photography is about capturing a moment. You are just the observer. If i'm not doing this, I wouldn't call myself a professional photographer.
A program for the lazy and the miserable. No AI can select photos as well as the author himself. You are either not photo artists or just bombers who know nothing about creativity. You don't need to show your miserliness. Soon you'll be shooting for food through this AI, because the client eventually sees and understands everything. The profession of photographer is becoming gentler than a janitor!
Meaning can read raw file?