The LAST Rust Drama
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i never seen a programming language have drama happen so often
0 days since last Rust drama
there was a time when we said politics and programming/science should stay seperated. In the present day, with tech twitter, there's been a movement that the two should come together and it's foolish for them to be seperated hence... 😂😂
It gets more coverage people because like the language.
@@ea_naseer Politics and programming are only separated when the ones in charge of the organization care more about the tech than they do about politics.
Java lawsuits:
They keep having drama on the Rust forums because they can’t delete the unhelpful garbage comments and dead/invalid arguments until everybody stops borrowing them
Cannot borrow arguments as mutable because it also borrowed is immutable
@@jakubgiesler6150your argument is so simultaneously unhelpful and technically correct that I’m surprised it’s not posted on the Rust forum
@@jakubgiesler6150 Not a problem, most of them clone() another opinion anyway.
As a self-nominated Senior Ambassador, I decree all periods shall be placed after quotations and that this is what "the community". wants
we "the community" (tm) agree with you
@@carlpittengeryou didn't even use a period.
@@pau1phi11ips lol it's only if you're writing serious prose, then you put the period after the closing quotation mark; you don't write with strong diction when texting
@@carlpittenger wh, okay first, a youtube comment isn't "texting", second, how tf are you going to pull the "it's casual conversation, you don't need to follow strict syntactical rules" arugment, and then deadass use a semicolon? I'm 100% all for more people using semicolons but it's a pretty disjointed argument to say that "it's a different form of communication with less strict grammar/syntax, here's a casual semicolon".
The reality is the only reason the punctuation before the semicolon rule took over was because it was easier, not because it was "more correct". It's a bit like how everyone says PEMDAS, but everyone uses PEJMDAS*. It's easier to hand-write if the punctuation comes before the quotes since there isn't as much of a back-and-forth. This, of course, doesn't apply when using a keyboard, so all that "writing punctuation a bit like this," does is make it more confusing to read since you're quoting something that wasn't actually said or is even representative of what might have been said. A quote is interpreted in isolation, and punctuation isn't a unary operator; it's designed to link distinct segments. So, if you interpret a quote in isolation, (as all quotes are) and you end it with a piece of punctuation that exists to link two things it's syntactically invalid. It's a bit like saying func(5+). Now, if that *_is_* noticably more convenient then fine, it's minor enough and most people will get your meaning so it's not a big issue, but that doesn't make it correct within the rules you've set out. It's a bit like -> in programming. (which I also despise because it's unclear and annoyingly unnecessary, but it's a similar concept that most people seem fine with. so I'll just take the L on that one... for now...)
*J meaning juxtaposition, i.e. 5(8) = 40; It's also called implicit multiplication depending on who you ask. This rule is so steadfast and followed that even when the first few books were begining to rigidly define an order of operations a lot of them SAID they followed PEMDAS, but actually followed PEJMDAS if you looked at their equations and their answers. This I'd argue actually is meaningfully useful since it's nearly impossible to misinterpret it's use is so widespread and it reduces mental operator overload trying to parse out complicated expresions.
@@pau1phi11ipswell acktschuyually...
I now understand Linus Torvalds attitude towards the open source community. You cannot make everyone happy. DT to continue with the good work and focus on making best crates possible. This is just madness
This whole thing seems to me like a powergrab - they want him out of the spot, so they can have someone else instead... but it's a programming language, not the government!
Ya that’s how most of these things are. Saw that with all the corporate social activistism too lol
When you get 3 people in a room, it turns into a government. Every. Time.
It's trying to break into some sense of mainstream popularity with this noise. This is desperate.
The Rust community showing it has 10 narcissists for each engineer of David’s caliber.
The language is great, but the community is a dumpster fire ruled by a bunch of cliques.
What the hell is wrong with people? This guy is an invaluable resource and yet he's been tied to the tracks. Also why is this kid being allowed to define David's fate? This whole thing is just so idiotic.
Yep, he's being cancelled. It's a shame ThePhd was treated in a bad way (in part dtolnay's fault from what I understand) and the best thing would be if these people could hash it out and ThePhd somehow returns. Now it seems rather that dtolnay might be forced out of the community as well. How short-sighted can people be? Half the ecosystem is written by the guy. Serde is a top 5 reason why I got so excited about Rust.
You are reading a random opinion written by a rando (probably college student, judging from the juvenile tone). The "self-appointed ambassador" thing should have been the red flag where we stopped reading. In fact the real worry is that people (as seen here in the comments) are somehow thinking this rando REALLY IS the ambassador for anything.
We delegate too much power to random and often toxic commenters on Twitter/Reddit. Some people worship the upvote counter, and others have children to feed. Democracy isn't complete fascism, so the opinions of others are only just that. Quit victimizing him, as he needs to grow a set and start making decisions! He's not a celebrity, so wtf is this comment about being cancelled? Is that all people register?
Because in the internets the opinions of a professor and a kid become equally important somehow.
I agree, super disrespectful and idiotic. It reduces my faith in the world to see anyone alienate others like this.
When you’re releasing more drama than the JavaScript ecosystem is releasing frameworks you’re really cooking 😎
This might actually be true
Just FYI: David wrote a WASM runtime meant for isolating proc macros *four years ago*. And everybody, always, knew that lack of sandboxing is a problem. I figure he grew tired of the problem being ignored.
I thought the inventor of docker said docker wouldn't have happened if wasm with isolation existed?
@@shaftymaze Docker is 10 years old, so a runtime written 4 years ago doesn't have any effect on it.
@@shaftymaze not to mention, said runtime has specific purpose. Most proc macros don't need any sort of IO, be it file or network.
@@SaHaRaSquadThat's not what they said. They said "IF" isolated wasm had existed 10 years ago, they wouldn't have made docker.
@@gljames24 Yes, so why are you repeating it as if I misunderstood something?
I just love how quickly self-made ambassador deciedes if someone has a good or bad "track record".
Yeah someone who decides that one of the most productive contributors doesn't have a good track record due to one well-intentioned mistake shouldn't ever get a position of power beyond flushing a toilet.
Put that damn period inside the "quotation marks!"
@@well.8395 "No"!!!
@@well.8395you know some countries aren’t the US right?
@@Satook Someone doesn't understands the sarcasm.
Number one rule: Never apologize to the angry mob. It will only paint a bigger target on your back.
That's your number one? Ignore the angry mob. They're sitting in a dark corner of a room going bald over literally nothing.
@@BeamMonsterZeus How would you know what that feels like? Have you ever done anything remarkable that an angry mob would go after you? If not, it's disingenuous for you to say "oh just do this"
25:36: When Prime calls Piq a dork for loving Haskell and Piq is just happy in chat that Haskell got mentioned 😂
As a rule, I never trust an argument that depends on me believing the person making the argument is clairvoyant. If your issue is what someone else "was really thinking" or their "actual intention" you're gonna have to prove you can read minds.
Hell yes. Great comment
Or at the very least present the proper context to make this argument.
@@disguysn That is dangerously close to strawmanning
@@BeamMonsterZeus I call it "the psychogenetic fallacy": your argument is wrong because of what you were really thinking or feeling when you said it.
How about we don't attack the guy (DT) carrying the Rust ecosystem on his back?
Also, Alonely0 is a self-described "autistic computer nerd" who's still in high school, which really puts his posts into perspective.
I have no horse in this race since I don't really have a strong opinion, however I don't believe that someone should be immune from criticism (no matter how inane) simply because they are powerful/influential
This comment should be pinned
this comment should be double-triple pinned
alonely0 is a he/they. That's all you need to know.
"autistic computer nerd" weird that you would put that in quotes, do you think autism is not real or do the opinions of autistic nerds don't matter?
replace every sentence in the article with "I have a giant ego," and it won't lose any informational value.
%s/./I have a giant ego/g
"Self-proclaimed community ambassador" says everything
Haha
Yep the classic forget about all the good things you've done and make the one mistake you made your identity.
You eat ONE BABY
@@ChungusTheLargeLOL...
@@ChungusTheLarge Except when these people get caught abusing kids that gets immediately memory holed. It's only when you challenge the power structure or make it easy for someone to make an irrelevant power play that you get rail roaded.
The rust community is either mentally ill, or run by people involved with demons. I don't know which is more likely at this point.
@@VACatholic Switch to Holy C?
@@ChungusTheLarge I've never been a rust fan, but I would just use a language and not get caught up in the so-called "community". These people neither know nor care about each other. It's all fake.
Rust Council = Jedi Council
Sith = Zig community
"Use the Force" = AKA the borrow checker
"Join the dark side" = AKA Manual Memory management
Rust having unsafe memory management built-in:
You supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them.
zig is better for writing highly-optimized performant software. I hate languages that make important technical decisions on behalf of me and do things automatically.
"I **HATE** drama but..." nobody who has said this was ever telling the truth
"I made this"
"you made this?"
"I made this"
-- The Rust Project
alonely0 is a high schooler and is the self-proclaimed ambassador to the rust community
have you seen his repo? holy shit i couldnt stop laughing i swear to god. He says he's from catalonia, and being from spain i can tell you i know very well his kind of people. But what could we expect from the self proclaimed ambassador of the rust community who supposedly wants to invent his own networking protocol, which has no existing code yet, but according to his paper actually relies on TCP/IP (obviously.....) so its just a custom encryption system that nobody could really care less for? Seriously, i dont even know why people take this individual seriously anymore.
Unfortunately this is what happens when a large percentage of the development community is horrible at social interactions, combined with the protection people feel from typing stuff behind a keyboard.
The person who wrote that post needs to take a step back and take a few breathes.
Like every project run by literal commies, the actually good productive people are eventually chased away or leave on their own.
Funny... they can make amazing programs and yet unable to leverage that power for intercommunication
@@bluedark7724 They can create social media but can't be social over any medium. lol.
It's not that they're horrible at social interactions. It's that they know the best way to get power in a social action is to claim victimhood, and demand reparations. When that becomes the norm, the demons come out to play.
To be frank, STEM people are all hard-to-socialize introverts. Some express it differently, some explosively. And all the extroverts go to business school 😅
All this rust drama makes me want to change my project to go. It just feels like it’s gonna implode in on itself.
Maybe write in both because its a toss up.
i love rust, it's simultaneously feels like the greatest language ever and also a simmering dumpster fire thats about to blow
@@bluewave3050Don't worry Rust can easily be forked and continued by the community.
How is it a dumpster fire? Because some random people on twitter and some forums create some drama to get themselves in the spotlight?
@@bluewave3050I'm a year in, still learning things but also way *way* happier with my results than I was with C (for embedded, 35 years) and now even surpassing my (25 years) Python development productivity. It was a tough learning curve but I don't regret it for moment. And the Rust "drama" is mostly ignorable.
Rust is the best training wheels in learning how to code well. Then you could transfer those skills onto a relevant, employable language like C++
@@weirdo911aw there's also no reason those training wheels can be equipped with boosters
Something that I want to point out is the more level headed approach Prime had for this drama compared to that of the trademark one, is nice to see that he's trying to not stir up more drama and provides more thoughtful comments on the issue.
I am genuinely trying here
@@ThePrimeTimeagen its genuinely noticed. I love Rust but its kind of (incredibly) easy to poke fun at recently. For how logical one might expect FOSS and engineers to be, we are desperately, painfully, blazingly-lacking in level-headedness sometimes.
he is literally trying to trivialize the issue and mint it for views and attention. LOL. giving tolnay the benefit of the doubt when he didn't come forward and apologize when everyone was apologizing 3 months ago (triplet, griffin, conf organizers, mara, etc) is absurd. he only made this gist after someone revealed this guy's name, if he actually felt bad about it he would have apologized right away.
@@fredrickdemello2260 Why would dtolnay apologize at the beginning when he wasn't even part of the RustConf organization? He just voiced an opinion but everyone makes it seem like he himself pulled the plug on the keynote.
Prime's take on nerd drama is always the best. Dorks can be the biggest snowflakes and we need people to call them out on their BS. Thank you prime for your service.
Yayayaya
Are the majority of people actually using Rust just regular people with zero interest in this stuff? Or is this kind of stuff enough to stop it getting more uptake?
@@Kane0123 the endless drama behind Rust makes me extremely hesitant to recommend it’s adoption for any project within my company, despite the technical benefits it may provide. Our products have very long maintenance cycles and this sort of instability within the ecosystem makes the idea of maintaining (and growing) a project in it for a decade too risky.
@@Kane0123
been using rust daily for just about longer than a year now. great language. highly recommend.
i don't care about the foundation, i just care about the language. i follow the news about the language; aside from the entertainment we get from their interactions, they are just wasting time with all this bs. compile time is really important and it deserves much more time spent on improving it. would be cool if d.t. streams his talk on twitch+youtube. dont need a convention to do a talk
it's not the dorks. It's mostly the pronoun brigade with blue and purple hair who have infiltrated the upper echelons of the Rust foundation and moderation team.
The problem with Rust is that it doesn't have a sole (person or group) decision maker.
Whatever people did not like about what happened with Turbo, at least there was no drama.
DHH said no TypeScript.
Community got pissed on him and his decision.
People moved on.
However, when it comes to Rust it always the foundation, the council, the community, etc so that there is always this collective feeling that we all should have a say in it and all opinions revolves around bureaucracy and "what's best for the community".
I actually agree. So much bullshit drama or bad decisions of many members of linux community was shutdown by Linus Torvalds. Someone like Linus Torvalds is needed.
I think the key here is that languages or frameworks can start out at the individual level, but should also adapt to the growing community needs by stepping down with institutions in place so that their invention outlives their inventors.
DHH has always been the Rails' BDFL and many popular contributors moved on to other languages/frameworks in part because of it. e.g. Rust, Go, Elixir
A good example of this kind of transition would be the original source of the BDFL title: Guido Van Rossum (Python). He stepped down of his BDFL title with no successor in favor of the Python Software Foundation.
And DHH being an often disagreeable BDFL had a side-effect of Rails not progressing as fast as it could've because of the exodus of both top contributors and in the core team members.
Even Laravel, a framework heavily inspired by Rails, has outpaced Rails a bit in terms of feature set.
In order for a BDFL setup to really work, the "benevolent" part often has to stay in place, else a fork or an exodus could happen.
@@markmywords3817
Python: a mature language with mature specs.
Rust: a young language that is missing a lot of standard features.
Turbo/Rails/DHH-stuff: DHH stuff that is just an option among others.
democracy is the death of greatness
The more people claim it is all about technology the less it is. Never fails.
Rust is one of those interesting languages where the community enthusiastically tries to promote the language while also enthusiastically trying to sabotage its long term survival chances.
Someone creates something for the Rust community.
Rust Foundation: "This is ours now!"
Five years later: "Why aren't there new crates being developed?"
Uhh, what? Nobody said anything like that at any point, let alone in this video, as far as I can tell.
@@SimonBuchanNz it’s alluded to in the article by “nicely” forcing someone to give up their work to the foundation.
@@FrankJonen but is alonely0 the foundation? Prime kinda skipped over who they even were, and I don't remember them from my time on IRLO (which I assume this is on)
@@SimonBuchanNz hence my comment. If it happens, that’s it for Rust’s future.
@@SimonBuchanNz alonely0's repo has a javascript password generator and a paper proposing "a new networking protocol" but no code, i think i dont need to explain further why is it that you dont know who alonely0 is. Because they are nobody. They just felt big for some reason and went and was bold enough to claim that they are some kind of community ambassador and spew a bunch of nonsense. He even has a crate that is a simple array wrapper that is 90% comments in the code and he says that it will probably get into the core. Which as far as i know, is not something that ever happened. I dont even know why anyone would even want that in the core. So yeah, there is a good reason you have not heard of this person.
Rust is the red hat of programming languages now.
Chaotic good or evil, you can't be sure.
agreed lmao
Rust is bust. I spoke to management a week ago about moving some legacy c++ into Rust. The response: We don't trust the stewards of the language. Nope. We stick with c++.
great decision by management
A gradual refactor to modern C++ with unit tests is probably more feasible that a full rewrite from zero in a new language.
@@h2_ More like a decision based on gut feeling. The reality is that Rust won't be allowed to fail like that as major tech giants like MS, Google, Amazon etc already ship Rust software and invest in it. This is just online drama that will end as soon as the whiners get distracted by something else on Twitter.
Your management is stupid. It's in the windows and Linux kernels, rust isn't going anywhere.
@@SaHaRaSquadIf they invested more into the Rust Project and not the Rust Foundation there probably wouldn’t be all this drama in the first place lol.
never apoligy to the mob....
Agree 💯 . Double down and tell them to go f**k themselves.
This is the way.
So many FOSS projects had their potential squandered due to the ceaseless bickering of neurotic individuals.... And I can't help to see Rust heading down that exact same path.
Projects run by councils almost always end up like this. Political disaster and infighting.
This is so hard to bear, I would love to jump in that discussion, and instead of DTolnay, ask that alonely0 guy to step back instead.
Honestly if I were in their circle, that would be my only comment.
Quote from the dude himself in the thread after he got roasted multiple times "the thing is, in a week I won't have time in my life to deal with this crap, and it's not like I have that much time now. I've done my part, which was raising my points; thus, I'll see myself out, so I'm not the discussion topic anymore. Goodbye y'all. Do it right." IMO he was just trolling the whole way and got bored after.
Your use of the R in the thumbnail is probably illegal.
What a dangerous man.
I feel like the Rust foundation is doing everything in its power to rediscover Heinlein's definition "bad luck"
nice
Oh the IRONY. Considering whoever was responsible for downgrading the talk thought themselves a "self-made ambassador" as well.
@ThePrimeTimeagen just wanted to say that man you're good at this thing you've created and grown here. Thanks for the high quality content. It has been refreshing listening to someone with a bit of understanding who's not afraid to voice opinions that are contrary to opposing public viewpoints.
The time has come, C++ will replace rust 😂
c++4life
as a noob just learning programming, maybe learning cmake isn't so bad if this is the alternative 😂
lmfao
You should learn a more established language like C/C++/Py/JS/Java/C# for your employment's sake. Companies have most of their years of legacy code in those languages and looking to hire devs to work on those the most. C was actually developed in structured academia by disciplined computer scientists to satisfy engineering specs and quality and established the industry. Nearly every language is derived from or backed in C/C++ or tries to do the same things better like Rust. Rust was a pet project that is growing into an unmanageable monster from what I see.
If you are a student, first think about the types of things you want to program for your career and focus on those industries preferred languages. Rust IMO is a very poor choice as a first language since it can stump even senior devs that program in multiple languages and almost no companies have adopted it for anything consequential. I would say Python is a better starter language since it was originally made to teach programming and will remain useful as a secondary language and allow fast prototyping of ideas.
Just disband Rust foundation and let ISO take it over already.
You know.... they would never appologize, never admit their mistakes... and are effectively the worst of the left authoritarianism there is. Seriously, the undertone about 'making sure that 3rd party crates don't get too popular, and that someone doesn't have control' when in this situation is earned by being useful and beneficial to coding & a project and structure... is kinda like 'If you do to good, we'll take steps against you'.
Seriously though, This seemed like the end goal, to discredit someone & take their major packages, than attempt to look like the good guys... while the one who was targeted was basically gagged and mugged, and all the people doing things against him some how have the exact same story.... the exact same story. (Like you don't even get that from witnesses that are testifying against someone who held up a gas station).
When stories start to appear as if the are identical and could legitimately be part of the same exact narrative & written by the same person with no deviations whatsoever..... That's when I start looking at what isn't be allowed to be talked about or said by those telling you 'how it was' & making assertions about what others said or are saying.
Though I seriously got to ask this.... in what universe do people around a language library akin to c, c#, C++, java, etc.. like rust not think that cutting measurable time off of build projects from the language is not something that developers using that language would care about. You know the only People whom interact with your damn'd language to begin with. This seems targeted at him for reasons of being to prolific and just using the other reasons as an excuse. Like, the only other events i can think of that do this are in the form of hostile takeovers, and political smears against those whom were gaining to much power and not being handpicked by the 'council'?
Frankly this is preventing me from even attempting to learn rust after my java modding ways. (Where I'm in game dev path myself, but I'll be honest making my own program to do what i need it to do isn't beyond my intent either, and if I would have to learn any of the real languages to do it... Rust would have been on that list as well)
It wasn't exactly as binary as "do you want shorter build times or not" - the complaints were about security, related regulatory requirements, and making such a big change in a patch(?) version, especially without any opt out.
Binary cargo payloads are nothing new: plenty of crates have either opt in or out out binary crates.
Clickbait title. It's not the LAST. It's the LATEST.
Waiting for nightly rust drama.
Umm, last can also mean previous. Eg. last night, last September, last year
Clearly, this guy is tired of working with David and finding every way possible to get rid of him. Yee
These things make me like go even more. When they have drama they respond appropriately and as boringly as possible which makes things blow over.
Go is a pragmatic language created by a company to solve their problems, Rust is an elegant language trying to do things the correct way. Neither is wrong by themselves but it seems those aspects are reflected in the communities.
22:28 “you will own no repos and you will be happy”
Another Rust drama? Must be Saturday.
This video should be series and posted every week😂
Isn't Rust has at least one every week?
At least lately.
A new one happened, at the time of writing, about 3 hours ago
@@actualFixWhat is it this time?
Keeping up with the Rustaceans
Yep, that's an appropriate title.
“Binary blob terrorism”
You know those Myers-Briggs tests you take during a college orientation or at a new job; the rust leaders don't have the good letters.
Myers Briggs is complete nonsense though.
Rust has so much drama - it clearly attracts the wrong people. It was on my list of things I still wanted to learn. Not anymore.
Same, won't be "investing" my time on this one, only to have the rug pulled from under me in the future
I saw it early on. They were filled with purple-haired insufferable people.
As far as I can tell, being active on both the user and internal forums and using the language and all these crates... this is all a bunch of babies complaining that have no impact on the actual language.
The only actual impact here is that your builds could have been a little faster.
I swear people who say shit like this haven't even seen code outside of youtube videos. Boohoo over the drama, jesus christ...
I have experienced exactly this. I remember a few years ago I was super excited to write Rust, I wanted to make a Vulkan game engine written in Rust. I then discovered AI and came back to that Rust idea for a while only to find conversations infested with zealots, crappy drama, rewrite-everything-in-rust-syndrome, "yOu aRe sTuPiD iF yOu uSe C++", and now every time I think about Rust the first thing that comes to mind is the cancerous community and the weird videos/tutorials surrounding it. Man, I just want a serious professional group of people I can rely on, which should be essential for something as important as Rust, but oh well.
can never take Rust as a serious programming language choice given the wacko Rust community - kind of not so unexpected for something that was birthed into existence in the Mozzilla environs
It's pretty on brand -- 90% of Rust users are either mentally ill or terminally online
Same. I kept hearing people say you have to check out Rust because it's awesome with a vibrant community with support. Maybe it's bad luck but most of my encounters I just saw drama and toxic people. The foundation sounds just as dysfunctional.
The "Jedis" part just made me laugh. Great one!
Woof, that was a lot. Like "reading the comment section on NextDoor". The OP was flinging out speculation-as-factual-assertion like they got the value box at Costco.
David is like one of the 4 horseman of rust....LOL. That guy holds one of the 4 pillars of the rust community's cornerstoness.....LOL All this side action is hilarious to me. Hilarious....Its like a soap opera for programmers. He's probably one of the only ones that hasn't been bought off; he has too many keys, so now they have to annex his projects. Now I know why I was skeptical. What if he had patent his software (or used a different license)?
As cool as serde is, it could be rebuilt from scratch in a couple of weeks without reference to the original source. Heck, you could get a simple version in a day.
Nobody's *actually* being held hostage here, even without it being under an OSI license.
@@SimonBuchanNzbuild yes could they maintain it with out is becoming a cluster Idk.
"You have been appointed: Nothing. Will you give us your Something now?"
🤣🤣🤣
Not sure if they can just take those projects, I would assume they don't own the project name and etc. Probably the only legally clear options are a) forking or b) removing those packages or c) getting permission to transfer the IP
Thanks for discussing the drama in a reasonable manner.
I just bought a Rust course. A little bit of drama now and then, won't hurt, LOL. But seriously, I want to learn the language.
I love how Prime is basically Programming Twitch's Asmongold lmao
Goals
the nice thing about a language that never receives updates is it doesn’t get any worse
Meritocracy is the only sane way to go. "Community" amounts to nothing without giants like dtolnay.
"I hate drama, and that's why I read every single post I could find about it on social media. That's why I will name myself community ambassador, and that's why I will write a huge post to talk about it on a forum that's supposed to be technically minded. Also let's ban the guy building 70% of the top 10 crates for one thing that we unilateraly judged was a mistake."
...Okay 🤣
I don't even 'hello, world' in rust. I'm here only for the drama
I love Rust, but management just _needs_ to take the biggest chill pill.
Could you please next time add a link of the forum thread into the video description? It would help in tracking the whole situation.
There will never be a last Rust drama.
My god some people have way too much time on their hands.
Alright so let's just make all these great crates closed source with paid licensing and see how that goes. I don't care, my work will pay for them no problem but let's see what all these edgelords on their moral high horse say then.
Gosh
Minor critique here with calling it a "binary payload", I mean that just sounds malicious as *_HELL_* . Wasn't it literally just "I'm making this ship as a binary to dramatically reduce build times, you can use the source if you want but it'll be it's own thing"? Yes "binary payload" would technically be acurate, but if I was delivering baby formula to you and said "here's the chemical payload" what would *_you_* think was in the box I just handed you?
Oh also, "period outside the quotation", I ain't quoting your punctuation FFS. The only reason internal punctuation took over is because when writing text by-hand if you put the punctuation outside of the quote then you either need to move forward, write it, then move back diagnonally, draw the quotes, then move back down/forward diagnonally enough tos kip over the punctuation to keep writing. Compared to writing the text, writing the punctuation, moving up, writing the quote, moving down and continuing. It's easier to write, that doesn't mean it makes any sense. Yes, I am fully willing to die on this hill, along with dying on the hill of PEJMDAS.
Come feed the rain
'Cause I'm thirsty for your love
Dancing underneath the skies of lust
Yeah, feed the rain
'Cause without your love, my life
Ain't nothing but this carnival of rust
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Oh so that is what Rust's logo was for: to let people use it each time a dRama occurs.
Everyone just needs to chill, stop, breathe fresh air, touch grass, let go of the drama and let people improve
I don't know what the correct conclusion for this video is, but for me, this is a video.
Clearly that David dude needs to wash his hands of the whole thing and make even better packages and keep them to himself and people he trusts not to pass them out to the communists.
Well I'm glad we finally got to the last one. But how do you know there won't be any more?
The elephant in the room here is that the proposed compile-time reflection system would make most of serde obsolete by making serialization too easy. Tolnay has a personal stake in stopping it as having it implemented would end his position of providing the current workaround. He definitely hid a conflict of interest in the RustConf drama. There is also no trade-off between performance and security that Tolnay claimed there was, as a reproducable binary would would have the same performance gains without looking like a supply-chain attack.
Agreed. His "forceful skepticism" seems a little sus.
I dont know Rust, but at this point, Im not even interested anymore lol jesus christ, ppl are so petty.
The language is great. The governance and certain characters leave less to be desired.
As a person capable of reason and empathy (you wouldn’t understand)…
Here we go
I’m literally not going to learn rust now. I, may, however, use the name Rust in as many things as I can.
- Bunch of nerds on the internet start calling themselves "THE COUNCIL"
- Shit goes wrong
Daaaamnnn who could have seen that coming?
I love the drama keep it coming!
I need a Rust history book. The battle of Serde.
The "I have no enemies"-gen
I think Primagen misspelled latest in the thumbnail.
The people smart enough to not be politicians, will suffer from politicians less smart.
I honestly believe the last two dramas have been started by insiders of the rust foundation after a dumpster fire of policy changes that everyone hated. Classic “look what he/she did so you forget what we did”
12:45 in Polish we put it after ".
Wow these people who ask people to step down jeez. How high is their horse.
Yard, aka yet another rust drama
In my mind, some of the drama makes sense, to the extent that the more you care about something, the more likely you are to freak out when you suspect that thing is under threat. And Rustlings are nothing if not hella passionate about the language, and consequently the ecosystem and community that surrounds it.
I don't want to learn rust anymore too much drama, golang is the way to go.
Oh buddy, do I have a story to tell you.
Rust: drama
Python: hold my beer
@@oserodal2702 Tell us grandpa
its doesnt stop you to code in rust tho.
@@jakubgiesler6150 Just imagine one in the the mid 30's learning to code beyond TI-basic from 20 years ago on TI83+.
Now not only I can code bugs, I can also code drama imagine "You use that crate from that dickhead therefore you're a dickhead too.".
Considering the Rust community's proclivity for massive parallel duplication of efforts; it's surprising there aren't at least 5 different crates that do essentially the same thing.
Would that these crates were game engines.
Lisa Su seems like a damn good engineer who became a manager. But I guess that's a case of "the rare occurence confirms the rule"
Very much the exception, she also has a very good team around her. The willingness to not compete with but rather leap frog intel was important to. (Lots of really smart moves made that make more sense looking back then at the time.)
So is the Rust Council like the Knights of Ren?
Rust + drama
What is the URL of the conversation discussed in this video?
In all seriousness, all these dramas are making me question if it's wise to even invest time into getting into RUST. Or if it will be sabotaged by its own community later.