Microsoft was really dumb for letting these go and not caring enough to pay developers to bring their apps on Windows. They had a lot of stuff even before Samsung did,wireless charging,could connect to a monitor just like Samsung's Dex,had USB C way before other phones at the time,the optimization was great and it would run butter smooth on 512mb ram,the Lumia 1020 which had one of the best phone cameras ever made.....I hope they will come back some day
@@Juanguar It's never too late to come back tho,especially for one of the richest companies in the world. They can easily hire Nokia or HTC to build their phones.
Meh. Now they let the whole phone hardware team, I think it's kinda too late. My bet is they just wait for Windows on ARM to just catch up and be reliable enouh to propose their Windows 11 S to manufacturers. Hell, they're deving a better interface for Steamdecks and the like that will probably even makes it easier for them to port their tings to phone-like devices. With the steady advance of folding devices, I'm actually quite excited for the "computer in a pocket" thing it can leads to. But with the kill of Metro UI, I definitely gave up on my hopes of seeing the Windows Phones I loved coming back. And I'm sad.
Yeah ngl with the Metro UI being completely deprecated in Windows 11, the idea of a Windows Phone return doesn’t sound as appealing. I’ve never had a Windows Phone but I really liked the UI and I remember installing a custom launcher on my Android phone that replicates that home screen somewhat. Windows 11 honestly feels like a huge step back UI wise. Instead of keeping desktop and tablet oriented UI separate they are trying to make one UI do both and it ends up feeling lackluster at both. I think they had a much better approach in 8/10 (honestly the only issue was that 8 didn’t offer an option for a start menu and 10 downgraded the tablet UI, if they kept the Windows 8 UI and gestures for Windows 10 tablet mode it would’ve been the perfect combination).
The holes are for microphones! Both phones have 4 microphones - 2 facing forward and 2 facing backwards, hence the holes on both the front and back of the phone. If you look close enough, where the holes are situated on the bottom of each device, the corresponding microphone is mirrored in the same position on the back of each device. The idea for this (and I can't remember what the feature is called) is so if you're recording a video, it uses the two rear microphones to capture much clearer audio for what's in front of you, whilst using the two front microphones to reduce wind noise / miscellaneous external noises when playing the video back. A ridiculously good feature that worked even better. Something smartphones of today could do with having.
Interesting how "technically" such a small leap in terms of phone generations can just work wonders for this sorta thing! Awesome video as always Mr. frokfrdk
The problem is that the fast cores on the 950 are not active, only the slow ones. In addition, the graphics output is not hardware accelerated. If these drivers and the CPU problem were fixed, both would run faster and more smoothly. Unfortunately, the 950 tends to overheat.
Motorola tried this with Atrix over a decade ago, but it was very expensive. Atrix docks were pretty popular for Raspberry Pi for a while. Microsoft tried it with Continuum, but it was too limited. Samsung tries it with DeX (and Motorola has Ready For nowadays), but Android isn't very comfy to use in desktop mode and has no software aside for some creative workloads. And, again, Samsung only has it in premium devices. This should be a thing. But for whatever reason (not wanting to canibalize other market segments, maybe?) nobody wants it to really work. Sure, I can use a desktop mode in my Moto G100 for webbrowsing, maybe some light photo/video edits, writing a blog, commenting, but nothing I actually use for work is available on anything but x86 Windows or Mac. At this point I am pretty sure the big players will only start pushing it, if Apple does so. And, surprisingly, they kinda do on their tablets, but maybe only as an answer to DeX. But after they moved all their devices to ARM, there is no reason why basic iPhone couldn't boot to MacOS. Just give it USB-C display out. In forseeable future I see no world where buying a 100$ N100 mini PC, or a post-leasing ThinkPad, or even a Raspberry Pi, or whatever you fancy around this pricepoint, isn't a better deal than trying to make your phone work as both: a phone and a capable work PC. Which is a shame as there definitely is more than enough performance in them. FFS, 50$ Celeron N4120 based chromebook will do better after installing some light linux distro.
@@cheze_bun my brother in christ all USB and lightning ports run on 5 volts, there's no such thing as over/under voltage. Better yet USB C is a variable voltage standard, a laptop can request the 20 volts at 100W it needs to charge, apple is just slow and stubborn
Just a question: Are you using Tiny 11 or Full Win on both? I'm using Tiny 11 on my 950 and it also shuts down by itself, if it's under 60% battery. I think windows shuts down if it detects the battery draining too fast. Never had the always restarting problem when charging after I switched from full win 10 to tiny 11. Also my always on screen barely works, it keeps freezing. Btw it turns red here after 10. Also idk what's up with the boot select menu, I have the same look as on your XL on my 950, idk why. Also keep up the good work!
i really thought windows 11 on the Lumia 950 XL was gonna run so much more smoothly then the Lumia 950 because i saw how the start menu cleanly opened when frokfrdk swiped up
I wonder if this could be somehow made into a cyberdeck now just for my own curiosity. Would make for a neat tiny arm computer to tinker with windows on arm with (I know its doable on the Pi but iirc it doesn't run close to well).
im dding a lil bluetooh keyboard same size as screen to make it a mini laptop... wouldnt put it on your arm . as it gets toasty while doing stuf with windows
Honestly you should do this video once more but with a compatible android phone. I'm thinking OnePlus 7 pro or Poco X3 pro you'll see some real performance, lumia's don't even have GPU support, I don't think boots in 14 seconds ;) "It's keeping up with my gestures" you can play metro exodus on the snapdragon 855 XD
I had a strange issue in my last Lumia 950 days: it would make bad battery contact and cause the phone to reboot, then I found a post by someone who blaced a piece of folded paper behind the battey to keep it firm and it seems to sort it.
Yea, I see that your 950 does the same, random battery level readings and reboot, try to put a piece of paper folded 2 or 4 times between the battery and the internal chassis, in the area where the contacts are, so that the battery is locked between the paper and that holder in that area.
what if the logo design on the back of the phone is now a good fit to the win 11 logo and so the possibility of the windows 11 phone come back or is that just a big dream, and since the latest windows news talked about an improvement on efficiency increasing your battery for an additional hours before it runs out of energy, I really want this dream to be reality, and one thing I find really cool on windows despite not many android apps having a windows version is that may be we would have something of a long term support for apps unlike on android where some cool apps are too fast discarded just because you android version is no longer supported
well, there's some limitations on some of the older Lumias that you can only run on some 64bit partitions that it supported, so it may be not the best experiences
Not quite news for me (i am using 950 non XL with win11 to stream live TV/twitch streams on big screen via hdmi for half a year now) but still my favourite content man
These phones have almost nothing in common if you look at the details. It's like they're from different years or even different companys, even thought the Lumia identity is the same
Thanks for your great videos. I am trying to reinstall a LUMIA950 which is stuck with the exact problem you had. I got to the 8:00 minute in the video, I don't really understand how you managed to reach a local host from 127.0.0.1. I can't get there on my phone, can you explain how you managed to get there?
Anyone trying this should be warned. The latest arm versions of Tiny11 are for the very latest Snapdragon cpus. It will install but then wont get beyond the Windows setup screen. The only solution then is to reflash the phone to Windows 10 mobile and then update it to the latest version, before going through the procedure of unlocking the phone and trying all this again. You will need one of the earlier archive copies of Tiny11 arm64. Could you link to the iso build you are using? Also could you try windows 10 vs windows 11 on the lumia 10?
Windows 8 ui shows only on Metro apps. Flow Free is a Metro app that somehow was uploaded to the Store without Microsoft questioning it. thats why it looks like a Mobile app. Metro apps are made for tablets
I have a Lumia 950 xl with Windows 10 installed. It turns very hot and I not use cause that. Not thinking on switch to Windows 11 cause i not see any benefit. Thanks for your Nokia-Windows phones videos!
You know a computer is a computer... So. I wonder how many stuff could you do to make this work "good enough". There could probably be a lot of services you could disable, as well turn off all animations that chug along. You must never let apps open themselves on startup, or it's gonna make the phone burn. Also best to use UWP apps or simply only use small legacy apps. Lower brightness... And just dig into ways to make Windows 11 to just run well!
When Windows 11 came out I knew it was everything Windows Mobile should've been. With a lil optimization of course. Sadly Microsoft has screwed themselves in every attempt at a mobile OS and basically given up.
I really think that Microsoft could've remade Windows Phone with its tile UI on Android like what Samsung does with its One UI skins, while having very good app support that Windows Phone lacked. Really big missed potential I think.
I loose 80€ to buy these two before you made these videos and I got all the exact same issue, well not all. First they don't crash on me, Windows crash but not the entire phone ! And they weren't encrypted luckily (even if the bypass process looks fun to do). And they are very hot all the time, really really slow. Sincerely I hate them, they looks stunning but they feel so cheap, Windows 10 mobile is able to crash any UWP app at any random time and even with the real OS the phone is getting hot, and you can't charge these things without booting into Windows 10 / Mobile !!! Worst idea ever, the only product that was doing that is some iPod I think.
Imagine a windows app ecosystem that was already trained on arm chips making it easier for them to now support their laptops on arm chipsets.. an utterly idiotic lost opportunity
Чел, я тебя люблю (не в гейском смысле). На моей памяти - ты единственный, кто за последние 2-3 года сделал нормальный обзор на Lumia и LumiaWoA. Ты просто взял и разобрался. Респект.
Microsoft was really dumb for letting these go and not caring enough to pay developers to bring their apps on Windows. They had a lot of stuff even before Samsung did,wireless charging,could connect to a monitor just like Samsung's Dex,had USB C way before other phones at the time,the optimization was great and it would run butter smooth on 512mb ram,the Lumia 1020 which had one of the best phone cameras ever made.....I hope they will come back some day
I think satya nadella the other day admitted that killing it was a huge mistake
@@Juanguar It's never too late to come back tho,especially for one of the richest companies in the world. They can easily hire Nokia or HTC to build their phones.
Meh. Now they let the whole phone hardware team, I think it's kinda too late.
My bet is they just wait for Windows on ARM to just catch up and be reliable enouh to propose their Windows 11 S to manufacturers.
Hell, they're deving a better interface for Steamdecks and the like that will probably even makes it easier for them to port their tings to phone-like devices.
With the steady advance of folding devices, I'm actually quite excited for the "computer in a pocket" thing it can leads to.
But with the kill of Metro UI, I definitely gave up on my hopes of seeing the Windows Phones I loved coming back. And I'm sad.
Yeah ngl with the Metro UI being completely deprecated in Windows 11, the idea of a Windows Phone return doesn’t sound as appealing.
I’ve never had a Windows Phone but I really liked the UI and I remember installing a custom launcher on my Android phone that replicates that home screen somewhat.
Windows 11 honestly feels like a huge step back UI wise. Instead of keeping desktop and tablet oriented UI separate they are trying to make one UI do both and it ends up feeling lackluster at both. I think they had a much better approach in 8/10 (honestly the only issue was that 8 didn’t offer an option for a start menu and 10 downgraded the tablet UI, if they kept the Windows 8 UI and gestures for Windows 10 tablet mode it would’ve been the perfect combination).
Everyone forgets what Nokia did
The holes are for microphones! Both phones have 4 microphones - 2 facing forward and 2 facing backwards, hence the holes on both the front and back of the phone. If you look close enough, where the holes are situated on the bottom of each device, the corresponding microphone is mirrored in the same position on the back of each device.
The idea for this (and I can't remember what the feature is called) is so if you're recording a video, it uses the two rear microphones to capture much clearer audio for what's in front of you, whilst using the two front microphones to reduce wind noise / miscellaneous external noises when playing the video back. A ridiculously good feature that worked even better. Something smartphones of today could do with having.
@@prototypBudgiE Instead of having a tiny ass butthole microphone that's good enough for voice calls.
The reason the 950 might be faster in some cases could be because the XL is higher resolution and therefore putting more strain on the gpu
@akrakost2024 not necessarily, the chip in the xl is only marginally better than the base model
Interesting how "technically" such a small leap in terms of phone generations can just work wonders for this sorta thing! Awesome video as always Mr. frokfrdk
The problem is that the fast cores on the 950 are not active, only the slow ones. In addition, the graphics output is not hardware accelerated. If these drivers and the CPU problem were fixed, both would run faster and more smoothly. Unfortunately, the 950 tends to overheat.
Thank for the video, waiting for this for days❤
Finally. The legendary frokfrfilm is here.
Motorola tried this with Atrix over a decade ago, but it was very expensive. Atrix docks were pretty popular for Raspberry Pi for a while. Microsoft tried it with Continuum, but it was too limited. Samsung tries it with DeX (and Motorola has Ready For nowadays), but Android isn't very comfy to use in desktop mode and has no software aside for some creative workloads. And, again, Samsung only has it in premium devices.
This should be a thing. But for whatever reason (not wanting to canibalize other market segments, maybe?) nobody wants it to really work. Sure, I can use a desktop mode in my Moto G100 for webbrowsing, maybe some light photo/video edits, writing a blog, commenting, but nothing I actually use for work is available on anything but x86 Windows or Mac.
At this point I am pretty sure the big players will only start pushing it, if Apple does so. And, surprisingly, they kinda do on their tablets, but maybe only as an answer to DeX. But after they moved all their devices to ARM, there is no reason why basic iPhone couldn't boot to MacOS. Just give it USB-C display out.
In forseeable future I see no world where buying a 100$ N100 mini PC, or a post-leasing ThinkPad, or even a Raspberry Pi, or whatever you fancy around this pricepoint, isn't a better deal than trying to make your phone work as both: a phone and a capable work PC. Which is a shame as there definitely is more than enough performance in them. FFS, 50$ Celeron N4120 based chromebook will do better after installing some light linux distro.
I use a Pocophone F1 as daily driver and I have windows and Android installed, it is completely functional and it's worth a try
@@___Luis___ make a installation video
You are damn right. Linux would be a better choice to make things better and smooth
"At this point I am pretty sure the big players will only start pushing it, if Apple does so" oh PA-lease.
Increasingly rare Microsoft W here. Phone was not made with pre-planned obsolescence
imagine usb-c being 9 years old and apple just now switches to it
Crazy innovations apple
yes but sometimes having a universal charger isnt such a good idea, like you get your charger stolen more often, also over voltage, under voltage.
@@cheze_bun that's some copium you are sniffing on there. lol
@@cheze_bun my brother in christ all USB and lightning ports run on 5 volts, there's no such thing as over/under voltage.
Better yet USB C is a variable voltage standard, a laptop can request the 20 volts at 100W it needs to charge, apple is just slow and stubborn
@@Epsicronicsand they were the first people to force it down our throats on the MacBooks with no ports
They only switched because the EU made the. They had no intentions of otherwise.
The chaos I want is WSL on these bad boys
Just a question: Are you using Tiny 11 or Full Win on both? I'm using Tiny 11 on my 950 and it also shuts down by itself, if it's under 60% battery. I think windows shuts down if it detects the battery draining too fast. Never had the always restarting problem when charging after I switched from full win 10 to tiny 11. Also my always on screen barely works, it keeps freezing. Btw it turns red here after 10. Also idk what's up with the boot select menu, I have the same look as on your XL on my 950, idk why. Also keep up the good work!
The battery is WEAK, i had the same problem and bought a new battery and the problem went away.
i really thought windows 11 on the Lumia 950 XL was gonna run so much more smoothly then the Lumia 950 because i saw how the start menu cleanly opened when frokfrdk swiped up
The main issue is that they are both limited to 3gb of RAM.
The thumbnail: How can you taste it
Yes🎉
It's crazy that even though this OS was not at all intended for phones it has so many hidden mobile features
I wonder if this could be somehow made into a cyberdeck now just for my own curiosity. Would make for a neat tiny arm computer to tinker with windows on arm with (I know its doable on the Pi but iirc it doesn't run close to well).
im dding a lil bluetooh keyboard same size as screen to make it a mini laptop... wouldnt put it on your arm . as it gets toasty while doing stuf with windows
Honestly you should do this video once more but with a compatible android phone. I'm thinking OnePlus 7 pro or Poco X3 pro
you'll see some real performance, lumia's don't even have GPU support, I don't think
boots in 14 seconds ;)
"It's keeping up with my gestures" you can play metro exodus on the snapdragon 855 XD
Bruhhh u and johnzoid are the best. Ur content is awesome
I love how you imply that you eat them
the fingerprint protecting things is actually called the oleophobic coating
i actually would love to have a third competitor around for android and iOS. I kind of liked windows phone. Microsoft should bring it back man
I had a Lumia 980 and it was fully my favourite phone I ever had.
Great video. Very informative. Well done. :Đ
I had a strange issue in my last Lumia 950 days: it would make bad battery contact and cause the phone to reboot, then I found a post by someone who blaced a piece of folded paper behind the battey to keep it firm and it seems to sort it.
Yea, I see that your 950 does the same, random battery level readings and reboot, try to put a piece of paper folded 2 or 4 times between the battery and the internal chassis, in the area where the contacts are, so that the battery is locked between the paper and that holder in that area.
I had the same issue and i think i did the same too lol
Fact:This is frokfrdk’s longest video
Hi! Nice video. Do you have battery drain issue with 950XL even when phone is turned off?
I don't think that the files app is slow by UWP, I think it's just slow. on my gaming PC it still takes an entire second to open each folder.
what if the logo design on the back of the phone is now a good fit to the win 11 logo and so the possibility of the windows 11 phone come back or is that just a big dream, and since the latest windows news talked about an improvement on efficiency increasing your battery for an additional hours before it runs out of energy, I really want this dream to be reality, and one thing I find really cool on windows despite not many android apps having a windows version is that may be we would have something of a long term support for apps unlike on android where some cool apps are too fast discarded just because you android version is no longer supported
😎nice video
well, there's some limitations on some of the older Lumias that you can only run on some 64bit partitions that it supported, so it may be not the best experiences
39:46 the flow free uwp app is an old app from windows 8.1 so it would still have the windows 8.1 charms bar menu options but stripped down.
1:28 that's one of the microphones
The Hole is microphone on every Nokia device
Now THAT was a majestic video!
I just miss phones that has removable battery. Hope they do that again, easier to replace when it gets bloated.
Not quite news for me (i am using 950 non XL with win11 to stream live TV/twitch streams on big screen via hdmi for half a year now) but still my favourite content man
nice, are you using 950 till it dies and throw away or you gonna retire it a keep it ?
Can it do 32bit win7
These phones have almost nothing in common if you look at the details. It's like they're from different years or even different companys, even thought the Lumia identity is the same
They would prob Taste better with a nice Seasoning of Minty Linux XD
Cool vid as always frokfrdk
Thanks for your great videos. I am trying to reinstall a LUMIA950 which is stuck with the exact problem you had. I got to the 8:00 minute in the video, I don't really understand how you managed to reach a local host from 127.0.0.1. I can't get there on my phone, can you explain how you managed to get there?
if youwant to charge it but not boot put it in dummy mode.. if you wanna shut it down . take charger off and press camera button while on dummy mode
At least on the regular 950 that would show a blue screen and burn it into the screen
@@frokfrdkcan you put windows 7 on 950xl?
@@rustymixer2886 no
@@frokfrdk if you can put win11 on why not win7
@@rustymixer2886 There isn't an ARM64 build of Windows 7
W video as always!
4:35 Imagine if the battery became swollen in there under the bump and you had to remove it.
love it! New sub here ; )
Nice vid wow. I'm not a bot i am just terribly uncreative
Anyone trying this should be warned. The latest arm versions of Tiny11 are for the very latest Snapdragon cpus. It will install but then wont get beyond the Windows setup screen. The only solution then is to reflash the phone to Windows 10 mobile and then update it to the latest version, before going through the procedure of unlocking the phone and trying all this again. You will need one of the earlier archive copies of Tiny11 arm64. Could you link to the iso build you are using? Also could you try windows 10 vs windows 11 on the lumia 10?
Windows 8 ui shows only on Metro apps. Flow Free is a Metro app that somehow was uploaded to the Store without Microsoft questioning it. thats why it looks like a Mobile app. Metro apps are made for tablets
Best Windows Phone is the HP Elite x3, its just so nice!
pretty sure the hole in the bottom of the glass is the microphone
Was just about to comment that myself
29:30 Sounds like job simulator robots
you can set the keyboard bigger in the settings
Woah long frok video
Can you try running WinUtil on them?
Does the XL ever run hot? I know the 810 is prone to running very hot and I have an HTC One with 810 and it'll run abnormally hot under load
950xl has liquid cooling which helps, 950 with 808 doesnt and has heat issues (i dont have an xl but i have 950 and can confirm heat issues)
Amazing, an 50 minute video from frokfrdk!
Is linux on it possible? If it's the gpu drivers might be working
Would be interest in if so
does it work as a desktop when linked to an external monitor??
45:07
I have a Lumia 950 xl with Windows 10 installed. It turns very hot and I not use cause that. Not thinking on switch to Windows 11 cause i not see any benefit. Thanks for your Nokia-Windows phones videos!
You know a computer is a computer... So. I wonder how many stuff could you do to make this work "good enough". There could probably be a lot of services you could disable, as well turn off all animations that chug along. You must never let apps open themselves on startup, or it's gonna make the phone burn. Also best to use UWP apps or simply only use small legacy apps. Lower brightness... And just dig into ways to make Windows 11 to just run well!
can you do it for the upcoming s24 ultra? w11 on s24u would be fantastic.
The Lumia 950 XL's back cover has an among-us shape.. very sus move, microsoft
You should try to use one of those modified lumias as a daily device. Higher up for a week.
When Windows 11 came out I knew it was everything Windows Mobile should've been. With a lil optimization of course. Sadly Microsoft has screwed themselves in every attempt at a mobile OS and basically given up.
if your usb or power isn't high enough then the consumptions outweight the incoming energy and shuts these phones out
48:24 basically describing samsung dex, its not windows though but its like the desktop experience on the go
@@adriantheasian7162 I think Samsung Dex still isn't it, it just doesn't have those proper desktop class apps like Windows and MacOS
@@frokfrdk ngl thats true and at the end of the day its still android apps in landscape mode
what about windows subsystem for android on lumia??
yummy lumia 950 family
I really think that Microsoft could've remade Windows Phone with its tile UI on Android like what Samsung does with its One UI skins, while having very good app support that Windows Phone lacked. Really big missed potential I think.
Idk man. I've never eaten electronics before. Do they even taste good?
Yes😂
Whic app you use on ipad to turn it in monitor?
Orion
Windows 11 on windows phone, finally
The hole in the glass is the mic
Can you do it for the 1520?
4:13 amogus
I’m wondering if this would work on a Lumia 520? I just hate the Windows Mobile 7/8 experience.
Dude this phones 10 times faster than the 520. That phone doesn't even have enough space for W11.
It wouldn't because there is no 32 bit version of Windows 11
Please try Windows on your pixel too, could make an interesting video
I would if someone ported it to the Pixel and if it wasn't my main phone
Awesome
I have a 950 not xl and wpinternals detected all the files, no issue
I loose 80€ to buy these two before you made these videos and I got all the exact same issue, well not all.
First they don't crash on me, Windows crash but not the entire phone ! And they weren't encrypted luckily (even if the bypass process looks fun to do).
And they are very hot all the time, really really slow.
Sincerely I hate them, they looks stunning but they feel so cheap, Windows 10 mobile is able to crash any UWP app at any random time and even with the real OS the phone is getting hot, and you can't charge these things without booting into Windows 10 / Mobile !!! Worst idea ever, the only product that was doing that is some iPod I think.
They should bring back windows phone
Funniest frokfrdk video ever
what was that Windows Phones that use snapdragon 845?
if you set the windows icon to the middle the start menu is not cut off🙂
On the 950 the icons in the middle run out of room very quickly and the start menu is cut off on two sides instead of one
Will NetBSD run on these!?
Can it call? No... But it's cool 😎
Microsoft must bring back windows phone
What's the soundtrack used in the video?
A mix of music by HOME and stuff I've made
@@frokfrdk it's great! Fits the vibe very well!
Imagine a windows app ecosystem that was already trained on arm chips making it easier for them to now support their laptops on arm chipsets.. an utterly idiotic lost opportunity
Basically what apple did lol
13:24 lol
samsung has dex basically one ui in windows
Чел, я тебя люблю (не в гейском смысле). На моей памяти - ты единственный, кто за последние 2-3 года сделал нормальный обзор на Lumia и LumiaWoA. Ты просто взял и разобрался. Респект.
New windows ever
The files app from the store is not uwp it's win32
I want this to be done to a modern phone like a Samsung fold
13:12 TRADEMARK
finnaly
Yes, but can it run Excel Web App?
Iphone also turns on when you plug in
you should put tiny11 on both
This is Tiny 11
oh.
@@frokfrdk
you should put macOS on it@@frokfrdk
Thoes holes are made up and down get hit out of the machine 3:28
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