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- 🛸 Episode Overview: Martha Jones summons the Doctor back to modern-day Earth, but an old enemy lies in wait.
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The Doctor didn’t set up UNIT, he was just their first scientific advisor back in the 70s when he was in his 3rd incarnation
Or the 80s, I can't remember.
@@JackBarrugon Sixties ! They worked with the second doctor and were a major part of the story arc of the third doctor, Jon Pertwee.
@@Llanchlo I know, I was just making a joke based on the UNIT dating controversy.
he wasn't the first tho, remember liz shaw?
Well, Donna wasn't ready to tap out -- she was just going to see her family, something Rose did every time they went to London.
I love that Martha and Donna got along right away.
Me too.
Donna is the Doctors friend who she loves as a friend and thinks he’s amazing. She doesn’t have romantic aspirations.
So many icons have appeared in Dr Who. Bernard Cribbins was a national treasure. He was part of our childhoods too and so loved from The Railway Children to The Wombles to Dr Who and a million things in between. Rest in Paradise ❤
Regarding why the Earth is always getting invaded, the Second Doctor said in his last story, The War Games, that "Earth seems more vulnerable than others." In Spearhead from Space (1970), UNIT head Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart explained we'd drawn attention to ourselves by sending out so many deep space probes.
The return of Martha Jones and the reintroduction of another classic who villain The Sontarans. It’s a pretty enjoyable and fun 2 parter
Great fun. I love the second part even better because the doctor is ahead of the sontarans
A difference between Rose and Sarah Jane vs. Donna and Martha is that, at first, Rose felt threatened by Sarah Jane, whom the Doctor never told her about, while Donna is excited to meet Martha, whom the Doctor _has_ told her about.
“What in the name of danger Will Robinson”. lol. Caught me off guard.
Ah, Sontarans! While not as iconic as Daleks or Cybermen, Sontarans are another classic villain/alien from Doctor Who. Appearance wise they haven't really changed much since classic era. They first appeared during the run of the 3rd Doctor.
Oh great catch on Clive "Rollo" Standen. Not many people recognize him without the beard. ^^
The casting directors on _Doctor Who_ seem to have a good eye.
Freema, David and Catherine are lovely to meet. Freema treats everyone like a long lost friend she is the sweetest.
Catherine arrived late at a convention I went to and ran up and down the autograph queue apologising to us all. Such a lovely person.
@@judiharris8796 She is. I did cons for 19 years and rarely met someone who wasn't lovely. I became disabled in 2011 (my first con was 2000) and all the actors stepped to help me and kept a tight hold on me so I wouldn't fall. Some of them would've gone down with being overweight and 5'11 lol. But I appreciated the thought
I’ve met David and Freema, both are lovely people
UNIT still have their old-style radio call signs: "Greyhound" and "Trap One". Those same call signs turned up in the Supergirl TV show.
"The waters of Lake Minnetonka" - Gotta love a Prince reference!!
I'd forgotten about the "not quite so undefeated but nevermind" line 🤣
The Sontarans are another classic WHO returning enemy. They were in 4 stories in the 70s & 80s.
Donna is not going home really, it's like she told the Doctor, she's just going for a minute and is coming back, and he's being a melodramatic dummy.
"you wanna tell me who dude is" minutes later: "oh, yh" 🤣
one of my favorite moments from these two yet xD
That had me rolling my ass off too. These guys have too much fun man 😂
If you go back to the Partners in Crime, you will see that the taxi that came to pick up the woman from Baby Reindeer had an ATMOS sticker on it.
Woooow that’s an amazing observation! Thank you for that detail and Easter egg
@@jafrulislam7529 yes, you're welcome.
I watched the entire 2005 Doctor Who series from series 1 to 10, 6 times in one year. I saw it all on prime video that had Xray filled with production notes.
I know quit a bit now.
Tennant was supposed to appear alongside Nick Courtney - who played the Brigadier opposite the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th Doctors - in an episode of The Sarah Jane Adventures. Sadly, Courtney was too ill to appear, and died soon afterwards.
Aaahahaha Donna didn't just get the Doctor with the going home bit, she had you both going as well.
Donna is winning you both over though.
Exactly 😊
Here we go. Our first proper view of UNIT in the new series, I think (although they're mentioned in Aliens of London). The Doctor first worked with them in The Invasion in 1968, before becoming their scientific adviser during the 1970s. There's a question mark over whether those 70s stories were set in present day or in the 1980s, a decade later. That's why the Doctor can't remember here exactly when he worked for them.
Bernard Cribbins (Donna's grandpa) died at the age of 93, and was working right up to the end.
The man was a total legend! Kids TV story teller on Jackanory, drama and comedy actor and even a popstar.
@@mcborge1 And as many of us know, he was a companion to "Dr. Who," a human version of The Doctor in "Daleks - Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.," the second Peter Cushing mid-60s DW theatrical film. I call Peter Cushing the "alt-universe Doctor :)"
@@IsiahBradley He was indeed, I have both of the 60's Doctor Who films. :)
@@mcborge1 I just watched both on Prime the other day! So weird! The second one works so much better largely because of Cribbins!
@@IsiahBradley Cribbins was always a better actor then Castle as Castle always seemed like he just stepped off the set of a musical. :D
The actress in the car later would star in The Walking Dead. Like you mentioned before that a lot of these actors got their big break in the Whoniverse. 1:55
Do you know her name?
Marta's cousin was captured and turned into a cyberman and now Marta is captured by the Sontaran and they create a clone of her. The fate of the family.
The return of the Sontarans, who were first seen in 1973, and popped up from time-to-time after that. Donna mispronounces their name, but is actually saying it the way it was intended. The actor who played the first Sontaran, was adamant about how he should say the name.
well he should know, if he is one
I love them far more in Sarah Jane Adventutes than here but so glad to see them back
Unit is Goated I wish we had one story with 10 and the Brig.
There was in fact going to be a story with 10 and the Brigadier, but sadly Nicholas Courtney had a stroke and was too unwell for it to proceed. David Tennant has said that’s one of his greatest regrets that he never got to act with the Brigadier. Not sure if it might have been this story.
Something about Donna's reaction after seeing the Ood that's been on my mind.
Slavery in our past is obviously something we can't do anything about. It's there in our shared history and we have to accept and acknowledge it to move forward into a better future.
Or at least a future we assume is going to be better. Actually going there and finding out that we just keep making the same mistakes, perpetrating the same evils a thousand years in the future when in your mind it's going to be beautiful, wondrous and utopian, I can imagine that would be soul-crushingly saddening, disappointing or depressing.
These aren't just some despicable ancestors who are locked in place by history. They're the children of our children's children. We can affect them by the legacy we leave behind as a people united by the planet we live on. Only in that case, the legacy either was tainted or it was discarded because "If we take these people from their homes, strip them of their personhood and make them subservient, we can sell them or make them work for us in the name of getting money."
It turns my stomach just thinking my descendants might do that. Actually seeing it myself might just provoke the "I don't want this" reaction in me... But not before I smack my blood out of my great, great x 27 grandkids, yelling "we do not do that in this family!"
But ultimately my point is, I can definitely understand her reaction. Nobody wants to be confronted with their own progeny doing evil to others.
I love this take from you and yes I agree with your sentiments. I think you could say that across all parts of society from global warming, societal’s viewpoint on gender and gender roles, war. I think the aim is to prevent the mistakes of our past but there’s always someone (weirdly enough really close to political positions of power) that destroys the harmony or utopia of a future world of peace, tolerance and respect.
It is difficult to face the reality of what our yesteryear ancestors and present characters in the world today are doing, but it must be acknowledged and faced with purpose to change. Or else there will be no future to change. And that’s not what our generations and future ones should look forward to
Martha is really the prettiest companion.
Donna’s character growth is one of the best things about this whole season. Before she met the doctor she wasn’t actually very nice person but meeting the doctor and support from her grandad really opened her up to becoming her best self
Mainly because of how her mother deliberately put her down. Glad to see in the most recent special that she’s kinder to Donna !
I hoped--almost prayed!--we'd get here today!! Hopefully, this means we can get Part II, "The Poison Sky," by the weekend? Do I have to beg you two? LOL!!!! THANKS for this!!!!!
Folks in outer space are mad at the Big Blue Marble because Earth is PROTECTED--the Sontarians go way back into Classic Who! (And so does UNIT, as I'm sure they've told you on Patreon!)
Warming up to Donna, huh? Keep watching.... :)
Was so great to see Martha back - and luckly she is back for many more episodes.
UNIT used to stand for United Nations Intelligence Taskforce, but at some point since we last saw them, they've become the Unified Intelligence Taskforce.
Outside of the narrative of the show, I believe they explained why they’d been strong-armed into changing it to Unified.
The UN actually complained to the BBC after "Aliens of London" that they were using their Trademark without permission so they swiftly changed it to "Unified" but kept the name UNIT.
@@OldManFerdiad Thank God they weren't paying attention from the 1960s to the 80s!
@@MJE-riffs the BBC weren't putting it on websites then lol
Oh I've been waiting for this reaction...!
This is the first time we hear the name of the Sontaran's home planet, Sontar, but it had already been used in some novels and comic strips. In others, though, it's known as Sontara.
There is an obscure reference somewhere I read in a novel, I can't remember which, about their war with the Rutan Host beginning in the ancient times of even Gallifrey, they were gonna send a Time Lord to observe a developing border skirmish between the people of "Sontara Warburg and Ruta 3." Every other time though, I've seen it as Sontara. So maybe they dropped the last name at some point in their long history.
The Sontarans first appeared in a 3rd Doctor story in 1973, when he was working as UNIT’s scientific advisor. That also happens to be Sarah Jane’s introduction and first appearance on DW.
The Doctor should have been able to use his sonic screwdriver on that car window, I think.
It was deadlocked. The sontarans deadlocked all the cars.
@@muqtarali34 Okay. Been awhile since I watched the episode and things like that aren't always clear in reactions. Thank you!
About Sarah Jane... While the episode you met her in gave the impression of her being in love with the Doctor, watching her in Classic Who never gave me the impression that she had any romantic feelings for him. Classic Who was not about romance between the Doctor and his companions at all.
Classic Doctor Who also didn't show companions staying in touch with their families while traveling with the Doctor, btw.
Rekkai: "I'll take the clone..."
Me, too!!! :)
First appearance of the Sontarana in New Who. Still , IMHO the best portrayal of their potential will happen in Jodie/Chibnail era
Absolutely 💯.
I do think you're misunderstanding Donna's infatuation with the Doctor though :) She loves him for opening up her world but very much platonically. People have said in the comment section already but her character development is one of the definite highlights in the season. And I think it adds that she's just so normal.
aside from the ncuti-who episode from a few weeks ago, you've also seen u.n.i.t. in the slitheen two-parter way back in series one, and in the series three finale with that weird helicarrier the master helped to develop. the story you're watching here is, i think, the first time they've really been emphasized though.
the fella in charge, with the cap and no beard (😆), is sort of a substitution character. that role was originally meant for one of the doctor's oldest and closest friends, brigadier lethbridge-stewart-father to kate, whom you met talking to ruby the other week. this wouldn't be the last time the production team tried to get the brig's actor, nick courtney, in, but this was toward the end of his life and he had unpredictable health issues. they *did* finally rope him into a couple episodes of spin-off the sarah jane adventures, though. and the actor's death and character's long shadow was made a sort of big (if subtle) undercurrent in later seasons.
it's just after nick courtney passed that they introduced kate-a character who, curiously, originated in a semi-official fan production from that decade-and-a-half that the show was off-air.
the doctor and the brig first met way back in 1968-before he was a brigadier, and before u.n.i.t.! then he was reintroduced in the next season, with a promotion and in charge of this lot here. after that, the doctor spent the next several seasons working closely with them before the brig and u.n.i.t fell back to an occasional recurring role. nick courtney's final appearance was actually in the show's final season-so that's *21 years* he kept playing this character!!
the doctor's line about how he used to work with u.n.i.t. in "the seventies-or the eighties, i can't remember" is a quick joke about one of the oldest and silliest bits of doctor who discontinuity, that fans like to call the "u.n.i.t. dating controversy."
on original broadcast, most of the classic u.n.i.t stories were set in a vaguely-defined near future-not by much; just maybe five-ish years. but the writers and production team didn't always remember this, so you get this strange tangle of indicators on when basically any u.n.i.t story is actually meant to take place-and in hindsight most people now shrug and just assume they're set somewhere around the time when they were broadcast, 😆
The thing i love about Donna is she has zero romantic interest in the Doctor and treats him no more than a friend which got alittle tired with Rose and Martha having romantic feelings for the Doctor so that was is a nice refresher with Donna.
The bickering is always fun
UNIT soldiers are the Redshirts of the Whoniverse.
I enjoy the Daleks and the Cybermen, but I also really love the Sontarans, and as a new who fan i'm glad I was introduced to them in this series. I also believe this Sontaran "invasion" ties into the Sarah Jane adventures, not that i'm expecting you guys to watch it lol.
The Sontarans are meant to be a clone race, so in reality they should all look the same, but they decided to cast two different actors as the Sontarans, so facially they are going to look different. The Sontarans have been in a continuous war with a bitter enemy called The Rutans, who only made one appearance in classic Who (but strangely in that story they didn’t appear opposite the Sontarans.)
Yay, Wilf is back! You guys are gonna love Wilf in this season. Both him and Donna have some epic stories towards the end of the season, and both actors knock it out of the park!
The Sontarans might not seem that threatening, but they successfully invaded Gallifrey in the 1978 story The Invasion of Time, and that ain't nothing.
I would argue that was them being opportunists after nearly un-repelled Vardan invasion.
UNIT, by the way, was headed by Brigadier Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart, who many regard as one of the Doctor’s longest running and best friends. He appeared on screen with the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th Doctors between the late 60s and late 80s. Remember the name, as it’s important.
First of all thank you Syntell and Rekkai for spoiling us again with more episodes of DW, keep them coming please.
Second, I’m glad y’all are liking Donna more and more. She can be an 11 at times but her heart is in the best place, as you’ll see further along you go. Trust one of the best characters in DW.
Third, I loved Rekkai’s reaction to Martha return. I ended up doing a jiggy dance too haha. We love Martha and what happens to her in this season (no spoilers) really adds to her character. Can’t wait for you to find out who she’s married to 😏😂
Fourth, this episode is not of my favourite but we do explore automated cars, software being used in military which has conspiratorial purposes and Donna’s connection to Wilf which has such an emotional core to this season. You’ll see why.
And lastly, you mentioned Sarah Jane and I was wondering if somehow someway you could watch David Tennant’s appearance to Sarah Jane Adventures in the Wedding of Sarah Jane. It’s one of the best episodes of the SJA episodes and one of its most iconic villains. Even if you don’t, maybe you could follow up DW with SJA at some point! Thank you 🙏🏽
thing about donna is, she's got layers that only become clear as you get to know her better. she's one of the most complex characters in the show to this point.
19:07 Part 2 has one of the most epic scenes for Season 4. Won’t say more but when it happens all I can say is “Hell yeah!!”
Great reaction ❤😊
Can't wait for the rest of this season, it's so good!
Donna is the BEST.
Yep! Wait until they/we continue watching....!!!!
Loved the Prince reference
Yes, hilarious!!!
Martha’s back 😊
I love the Sontarans, ever since they first appeared in the 1970s, and not because my cousin Nick plays one of the Sonatarans in this episode (he's still playing monsters in the 2024 series with Ncuti Gatwa). Fun fact - one of the young men playing the acolytes of Luke Rattigan was voted Mr Gay UK a couple of months later.
Nerdshit comment lol - read at own peril! :D
So on the "power scaling" (as much as such a thing is possible in DW ofc) the Sontarans are more of a mid field threat level in general.
Their origin throughout DW media (some material contradicts others) is that they are from a high gravity planet, thus they are short, stout and pretty damn strong because of dense muscles and heavy bones. They were threatened at some point by an alien race called the Rutans who are highly intelligent, flying, dead body possessing, electric jellyfish things. The Doctor actually helps the Sontarans by giving them the cloning tech to make basically Stormtroopers from Star Wars in order to fight the Rutans back and it works - but then the Sontarans try to clone the Doctor and he buggers off ofc - the Sontarans then proceed to overuse cloning to the point we see them now. The military got so large they just took over power and now the whole species are just clones. They are still fighting the Rutans and have been in stalemate for something like 50.000 years.
Power and Tech-wise they are more on a Cyberman level (Id put the Cybermen above them easy tbh) and nowhere near Dalek or Timelord. They do have "bad" limited timetravel tech much like humans in earths future, like Jack. AND they did catch the Timelords with their pants down in a classic who story (that I really dont care for myself)
I tend to really like Sontaran stories though overall. They are a fun bad guy in both classic and new who even if new who sometimes leans to much on using them for comedy. Their actual "theme" and purpose as a villain is "colonialism". They arent "evil" they just think that the land youre on belongs to them more than to you and they got better weapons lol
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Not my favorite episode, but awesome reaction to it nonetheless and great insight on this episode 😊
Nightingale Syndrome. Interesting.
Yep. Keep watching!
@@IsiahBradley Well, I mean, I've seen all the episodes except some of the shorts, probably, although I definitely need to do a rewatch sometime. There's just so much new stuff it's hard to fit a rewatch in. I've been working on some thoughts, though. Definitely plan to keep watching the reactions.
@@HuntingViolets :)
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Gotta watch the Sontaran experiment, that one is a horror show
I feel like many Doctor Who 2 parts were like 10 minutes over run time so rather than cut scenes they just make a half baked 2 parter instead. not 100% sure if this one fits in that catagory but definitely not one of my favorites.
I don’t remember this being one of my favourite 2 parters of DW tbh. It’s good but not as memorable. But the others this season, now we’re onto something 😎
I don't think you get the Doctor and Donna's relationship yet. It's best friends, nothing romantic at all!
BFFs
I love the doctor but episodes like this remind me of how high and mighty he can get around military personal and people using guns like bro relax we have seen the stuff you’ve done 😭
13:31 what you mention about "hitler youth" and whether that's okay to say, in europe the war is just very alive still so making those kinds of comparisons is quite regular. I literally watched cartoons as a kid growing up of things like cartoon birds that were hitler and the nazis and tried to oppress other birds etc etc. Most people have a direct connection to the war and we have the history around us all day so it's just like normal I guess.
Ten and Donna are my favorite Tardis duo, but not my favorite Doctor and companion separately those titles belong to a certain Scott and a certain actress who lives in Blackpool.
Yes. We have many favourites 😍
Scot, I think? Trying to figure out the Blackpool part -- actual Blackpool or reference to the series with Davids Tennant and Morrissey?
@@HuntingVioletsJenna Coleman or I guess she's from Blackpool.
@@abbaskazmi2558 Ah.
@@abbaskazmi2558 I can't staaaaaand Clara haha
Never knew Elon Musk was casted in this episode
Doctor Who is always great at choosing their casting act..... oh wait...
but damn, they nailed it!
@nupefromdaville being dramatic for no damn reason over the soldiers identity was hilarious.
@Syntell bro's Elon man smdh. Except the kids actually smart just terrible.
The Doctor and Sarah Jane Smith were never a romantic item they were just friends like a uncle or neice the romance between the Doctor and his companions only became a NuWho thing and to be honest i always found the whole jealousy thing annoying because the Doctor has had many companions male or female as glad i was to see Martha again she wasn't the same character as she was in series 3 she became more of a damsel in distress.
The Sontarans like the Daleks, the Cybermen and the Master are another of the Doctor's old rivalries and have first appeared in 1973.
The bit where you said Doctor Who should reflect on real life no I disagree with that Dr. Who is meant to be escapism from the real world sure there are the politics in there but they are always subtle it's not brain science or something to overthink things about too much at the end of the day it's just fun entertainment.
Doctor Who being "continuation" is a very rare thing there are references here and there but continuity in Dr. Who is a very rare and complicated thing depending on the writers mood and whatever continuity suits them.
You made a good point about why it's always earth the alien invades why can't they ever invade other planets or why they never do another story set on an alien planet with another alien invasion which they don't often do with NuWho.
The doctor is like highlander he tells Sarah Jane why he cannot live humans because they turn to dust but he will give his life for all his companions until we get Doctor Karen 9 died to save Rose.
Donna did not want to stop traveling with the doctor, she was only saying she wants to go home for some time. Didn't they make that clear and obvious or Rekkai just can't stand Donna to clearly understand what she is talking about?