As a cnc operator i just thought : Eh, stick it out another mile without a center support haha, all the vibrations literally made my neck hair stand up
This is actually an amazing advertisement for this unit. Using totally incorrect tools and cutting speeds it still gave a decent finish and didn't self destruct.
I agree. I've been looking at lathes for 24h and realized that he was doing it all wrong, you NEVER turn a piece of unsupported material that long (6:1 length:diameter ratio) in ANY lathe.
@@Tocsin-Bang yeah i dont like doing it. The machine i had didnt have a tailstock so i bored the jaws out and used ssv. Came it pretty good. Btw you can get away with different ratios depending on material. Little advice when ratio is high. Dont use dull tools. The leverage could be enough to knock the part out the chuck.
When I saw 347K subs I thought this guy must be really good and knows his stuff! Well I can tell you as someone who operated and programmed CNC lathes for a number of years, this guy did literally everyone wrong! Turning down with a parting tool, turning down a very long billet without supporting it between centres, NO COOLANT! He's also taking massive cuts for such a tiny little lathe. It's actually a testament to the poor thing that it didn't immediately break! I'll just assume this isn't the guys thing, and he's actually really good at something else?
As a trained fitter with hundreds of hours behind a lathe (Colchester), this video was *very* hard to watch! So much was done wrong that I don't even know where to begin. "Oh look, the key won't stay in the chuck when I let go of it". Yes, excactly, that's a safety feature meant for dummies who doesn't realize what damage that key can do if the machine is started with the darn thing in there! First rule of opperating a lathe: Never EVER let go of the key/wrench when it is in the chuck. It should be like glued to the hand!!! And if you intend to use highspeed bits on a regular basis, you really need a tray and a coolant supply. Running those bits without coolant will murder them FAST. And the last thing you want is to sharpen a bit right before making the last pass... Neat little machine though.
3:44 I'm shocked that it could even touch a (steel) metal stock of that diameter and that length of stickingoutness. How many, I wonder, can it handle before it gives up on you.
Lessons learned: 1. Use a parting/cutoff tool for a straight turning operation. 2. Never use the tailstock w/center on long pieces. 3. Never use lubricant.
It was an itsy bitsy, teeny weenie, yellow polka dot lathe. Remember that song? Things I would have done differently, in order: 1. Learn what I was doing 2. Put the workpiece farther in the chuck 3. Face off the end of the workpiece 4. Center drill the workpiece 5. Extend the workpiece from the chuck as need 6. Secure the workpiece with a live center in the tailstock 7. Measure diameter of workpiece 8. Turn down to desired diameter in small increments. 9. Try to remember what you have learned.
Really impressed with the quality of that chuck, hanging on to such a long unsupported steel bar turning a heavy cut with the wrong tool and no coolant! My Chinese CL 300 would have spit that bar out at the first tool contact. It’s a good looking mini lathe, would have liked to have seen a demo of the chuck TIR, and tailstock alignment with locking details.
Dude that was the most hilarious set of lathe operations I've ever seen. Using a parting tool in auto feed to take like a quarter inch of the diameter of a steel rod that is hanging out of the chuck like 20 feet, not between centers, no support, no coolant, just full warp 9. That sound was hilarious! I almost shit myself when you continued to stand there. Hahaha great job dude! Hilarious.
I honestly don't know a thing about using a lathe and what you're saying seemed apparent to me while watching. Hopefully he will do a little learning before he hurts himself.
Ah I didn't know all of those but just going by ear sth seemed a bit off for a normal lathe process. Sounded like big milling head on a way bigger machine taking of material at edge of it's capabilities. And those few tons CNC lathes are way more capable at handling abuse. But that sound is not sth you want to leave working unsupervised even when using very sturdy machine.
I owned a Proxxon PD360 for some years, my first metal lathe. I learned my lessons on it and it survived, despite heavy milling with a Myford slide and some crazy thread cutting. I bought an Emco Compact 5, which has proven to be the greatest thing I’ve ever acquired. I did buy a Proxxon PD400, the first one had a loud rattling when first switched on, so back it went. The second one seemed ok, but after putting a dti on it, I wasn’t happy with the spindle bore tolerances, so returned it. They claimed it was within tolerances, I disagreed. The other problems were that the leadscrew handwheel wouldn’t move the carriage, I assume because of having fresh gears and probably the thing that bothered me most, was that within 10 seconds, the motor became super hot, which made me worry about longevity. Still in terms of quality, they are the only good lathe on the market. If it had a beefier cast iron tailstock, it would be amazing. I had a Wabeco D4000, which had a tailstock bore which was way out of alignment with the spindle, though all other parameters were perfect, under .01mm. The D4000 was so flimsy, weak and lacking rigidity in the slides, that it was considerably out performed by my Compact 5, whose slides are made from Aluminium!!! The only other lathe that I respect hugely, is the Cowells ME90, which is the best lathe all round, but needs to be scaled up by 100%, to make it more versatile. Not used an Austrian Compact 8, but seen one and had a little play, seemed very nice, but the slides are the exact same design as used later by the D4000 jelly special.🤣🤣🤣
If you're not afraid to do some tuning up before serious use, and Seig built (Chinese) 7x10/12/14/etc. family of lathes are quite good. I've got a Raceway 7x12, came from a Homeier parking lot sale for (twenty-five years ago) around $300. It's no problem to cut to .001" on the diameter. It's a little annoying that although it has an inch sized lead screw, the cross and compound have metric thread, but for much less than the cost of a "better" Little Machine Shop version, I could obtain the "true inch" screw parts for those (or, since I have inch-thread lead screw, I could make my own. It comes with plastic change gears, but steel gears are available aftermarket, and the plastic is a nice safety net for beginners -- overrun the carriage under power feed and the gears will break teeth or strip the keyway instead of tearing up parts that are hard/expensive to replace. You can learn anything you need to learn on one of these, before you spend a couple grand on a similar size Proxxon. No argument, the Proxxon is a better lathe out of the box -- but not $1200 better, IMO.
@@mindasb Compact 5 is a superb machine, though only for very small light tasks. The Proxxon PD400 is just beautiful in quality, but only light work. The Compact 8 is a superb machine, which is probably the greatest hobby lathe of all time. Never owned one, but the Emco Compact 10 and the Schaublin 102 VM, are my dream machines. I would choose a minty used compact 8, or new, a PD400, just for accessories and reliability.
It helps if you know the basics of operating a lathe before using it. Love how he stopped the rotation while the cut off tool was still contacting the workpiece during his last cut. This will be a return to Amazon for your next purchase.
That's a parting tool and only meant for cutting straight in hence why it's long and thin. It will cut a lot better with a more rigid tool that's not sticking so far out from the tool post.
Not to mention he's got WAY too much stick out from the chuck (1.5 times the diameter MAX). If the cutting loads force that part out of the jaws, he's gonna have a bad time.
In practice parting blades are also used for immediate chamfering to improve speed after a grooving operation, and also used for light turning to clear up any lines when the blade was used in multiple passes to make a wider groove. The biggest problem here is the stick out.
Support long shafts with the tailstock in order to reduce vibrations. Of course use the right cutting tool and cutting oil. These machines are very delicate and you have to be careful in order not to ruin them and to make them last. Proxxon has very expensive replacement parts.
Polis Dimitriadis tailstocks keep the part from bending and snapping off also. This kills me to watch someone do something that every machinist knows exactly not to do.
What a beautiful little lathe, at 2:47in the video, I like how he is emphasizing that the chuck key has spring loaded detachments very important, if you had not got those springs and we're tightening up there Chuck, and forgot to take out the Chuck key it could cost you your life, I know you are thinking how would you forget to take out the Chuck key, but it is made more easy, because you would never have a habit of having to remember, because they spring out themselves, so with one that has lost its Springs is very dangerous, I remember years ago, when I was being taught in how to use a lathe, they were pretty big about 11 foot-long nearly, there were three Lathes , but the chuck key from one of the Lathes, had not got it's spring it had broke off, so it was not to be used by anybody except for the guy training us but, I recall one day one of the guys would not wait until the fella next to him was finished with the chuck key, so he went and took the one without the spring and of course he did not take it out of the chuck well I do not need to tell you how dangerous this was It flew through the work shop, at I would say a hundred miles an hour if not more, if it had of hit anyone it most likely would have killed them so, I like the way he points out that feature seems like such a small thing but it is so important these machines, They have to be given their respect they deserve you could pay dearly, but once you are trying and they are an absolute joy to walk on
I would never depend on that spring. AND not all chuck keys have them anyway. What I do is have a hard rule that if the key is in the chuck, my hand MUST be on it. Therefore, I can't leave it behind. Been operating lathes for about a half century and never once violated it. I view safety procedures for machines just like for firearms. Never ever stray from safety rules.
I read all the comments first, and thought to myself, "He can't be that bad????" And then I watched the video. WHOAH!!! Thanks for showing us this handy little lathe, but brutha....... your lack of safety skills is gonna get you maimed or killed!!
Considering that you're not using the lathe correctly, it does appear to be performing pretty well. You chucked in a fairly large chunk of steel that was pretty long and larger in diameter that expected, it did turn. You're using a cuttoff bit for turning, which isn't really recommended, but it did appear to cut. You also cut pretty deep with the incorrect tool and you're not using the live center and tailstock to support the end. I'm actually pretty impressed the whole thing didn't grind to a halt. I'm also pretty impressed nothing came flying off in your direction. Impressive little lathe.
Dude just take a 5lb hammer and smash the damn thing to bits. It would make tool makers everywhere happy knowing you can't run parts anymore. Oh and that was a cutoff tool not a cutting tool.
After watching a couple of his videos in perpetual /facepalm mode i was not surprised in the least when i noticed he is missing a portion of one of his fingers. it actually felt like one of those important details in the beginning of a movie that they show again at the end to emphasize its relevance.
I looked at all the comments about wrong speed, wrong tool, too long out of the chuck. BUT, not one comment about what he did right. After all; he did take it out of the box before using it!
Holy shit... Bit of an investment to just go at it without a clue isn't it? Surprised that piece didn't come out and take the machine with it, lucky guy...
Spare parts will come to hand one fine day..use proper tools and accessories!! Too much noise and vibration is causing damage to the machine.make sure everything is good. I'm happy to see these prototype machines👍
Hey dont be too harsh on him I just acquired a unimat lathe (free) and my 1st job was 1 inch dia plastic to make a hub thingy for a small wheelbarrow. I was all over the place but managed to make the part, but I learned a lot from doing it. I have to make a wooden thing next, then maybe I will try something in metal.
Most of my life, I have either done construction work, and or worked around some sort of "heavy machinery". Printing presses, injection molding, or big ole metal presses. I've learned from some "old timers" in a lot of these trades, and none of them wore long sleeve shirts, gloves, or any to get caught in the machines we were running or operating. Unless we were doing some type of maintenance on the machines.
Omg get that tail stock in use when turning long stuff, dude my heart was in my mouth watching this, and coolant of some kind.... and bolt that thing down.....
I have never touched a lathe machine before, nor did I ever seen one with my own eyes directly, but judging from the noise this thing made, I'm 100% sure there is something wrong, dude.
Ok so it's very much obvious that Dr Hacker is not very experienced or rather not experienced at all when it comes to using lathes.. his video editing seems on point tho.. I am quite impressed with this little lathe.. mostly because it somehow withstood all the abuse thrown at it for the duration of the video but also because it actually looks very well build and for cutting some softer metals and smaller parts (not a 20 inch rod) I think it will do a decent job... the finish looked very good despite being done with part off tool...
I'm kind of impressed that this little machine could make that cut with the parting tool and without stalling. So if used correctly then seems like a decent lathe for a hobbist, should it be well priced.
I guess it DEMOnstrates that the machine will survive exposure to such behaviour (not sure how long), i.e. if it had really shitty plastic gears that powerfeed would probably obliterate them.
does my nut in mate - the number of how-not-to videos posted up by eejits. don't even get me started on the motorcycle reviews posted by pure clueless, pure illiterates.......... amazing
I have seen a lot of abhorrent stuff on youtube, but I seldom get the full visceral reaction that i got from this video. Took a bite out of my chair cushion without using my teeth.
Indeed, Proxxon make some great kit for SMALL jobs....have a couple on my work bench.....did i say they were more suited to SMALL modelling type work 😊....
@@MrSteamDragon would you consider the machine adequate for making rings as in jewelry? I need a small capacity off the shelf machine for a few custom wedding ring jobs. I don't have need for large machine or heavy usage, but I don't want to buy junk either. Thanks for your reply in advance.
michael paulissen hi, i have the proxxon table saw and the shaper. Both are more than adequate for small tasks. I dont have the metal lathe, but for small items like rings i would imagine they would be ideal. I have had both my tools for nigh on 5 years and they have performed flawlessly. Proxxon are probably not the cheapest small table top tools, but based on my experience the investment was worth it. YMMV of course 😎
LOL, thanks to this video I actually placed an order to this beauty. Much sturdier than I thought and the operator didn't even get this steel bar in the face.
The thing you used is not for turning its for cutting through the workpiece after finishing the work it's made for one direction.. Inwards to the center line then the wanted piece falls down. For turning you take other type of tools... I know the Proxxon lathe.. It's very accurate for small parts but when it comes to steel the classic mini lathe like the Sieg Ltd Clones are better for cutting steel. As long as it's brass or aluminum or very soft steel this Proxxon lathe is very good and accurate that's why model engineers so often use it their need for cutting steel is nearly zero and at the same time accuracy is an issue.... A friend of mine uses it for this purpose and loves this lathe cause he can make the parts he needed to and that's important.. And whenever you need the Proxxon service it's very good i had a little mini mill from them also for brass and alu and one day something broke I phoned them up and 3 days later I had the replacement part in my post and that for free although the guarantee time was over that's good service...
@@DIY.Invented it was just the sound normaly the Proxxon sounds well when you turn.. I always wondered how accurate the parts of my friend with it were he is model engineer and builds also airplane jets with real working mini turbine engines. I had a mini lathe that time and had to improve it for nearly 2 years to become as accurate as he was from the beginning the only advantage that I had was when turning steel.... I could remove more material. Nowadays I have a new 355kg lathe with glas scales (Sino DRO) and can't believe how patient I was that days..... now in a small amount of the same time I have turned more accurate parts made of every steel I am funny to work with 😁 with the mini lathe at the hardness of chrome steel (42CrMo4) was finished and also silver steel was to hard. For that you need a more rigid lathe.
Hello, I've been making miniatures (around 1:10 scale) for a while. The only power tool I have is a dremel so I abused it to turn small parts.. (I manually push a surgical blade as the tool). Say, will this lathe be accurate enough for sub-cm parts requiring sub-mm precision? Do you have recommendations for milling machine for small items? Edit: found that proxxon's site also has milling machines Edit again: seems like I've found the machine I've been dreaming for!
That Kills My Heart. In Vietnam. It so Expensive and hard to buy this. I just buy a veryyyyyy old mini lathe. Fix it, buy a likenew part, .... I take care it like my best friend. And you do everything like idiot. Yep. Ok.
Knowledge & talent are your greatest assets, you should take pride in them. An experienced machinist with limited resources will always be able to produce better quality than an amateur with top tier machinery.
@@szametha Yep. I have "new " one. Russian Lathe OT-5. I fix and restoration it. It first video, but it done. I dont have a time to film and make video. th-cam.com/video/wjMpv4hMfOM/w-d-xo.html Picture drive.google.com/file/d/1AoeW9-4_7rulYR2HMdWSz7mIEhahaGdk/view?usp=sharing
First time buyer of a lathe, and it'll be the first time I used one, so I'm definitely buying this one because it's freaking indestructible according to all the experts that have posted. And even better I know what not to do, although some of it seems like common sense.
You haven’t got a clue how to use a lathe, so why do you say that it’s “the best”? In fact, you don’t have the knowledge to compare any two machines. Many thanks for the replies which give useful information on this particular product.
Never , never let a workpiece stick out of the jaws a length more than three times its diametre. And another friendly advice: Take some lessons with an experienced machinist. Please!!!
I dont want to know what gonna happen when it breaks and it flys around. Greetings from Germany that is a very good advise the problem is also that it dont have much Bar to hold it in position. Because it is only for the Hobby the Vibration and the diffrent sizes doesnt matter (I mean 1/10 & 1/100 mm or 1/1000 mm). And where is the Oil or something like it to cool it down.
I have never operated a lathe myself, but my son has the idea to wish one for Christmas. So I got on YT to look some videos about mini lathes, this was the fifth one. And now I saw some disturbing footage of someone which has apparently not even watched four YT videos before operating his own lathe. That's sad. To say the least....
Yeah, this is too hard to watch... You obviously have no experience and have obviously done no research, so why would you film and upload your first attempt? Is this pure Dunning Kruger where you expected to just be able to do it?
jesus velazquez won’t make much difference when he is using a parting off tool for incorrect cutting.. if he puts parting off tool on a slight angle it would help minimise sound but still isn’t correct tool
When I was an apprentice if you left the key in the chuck the instructor threw it down the gangway to teach you a lesson. You learned quick that way. On top of the other sins committed in that video, this guy actually removed the spring that prevents you leaving it in!
worldbestpilot Can you elaborate on what’s he doing wrong? I’m asking coz I’m a diesel mechanic / welder by trade, I also just started casting different types of metals. Anyway, I’d like to get me a lathe also to come up with sick ass builds. Thanks.
@@depthbrewedrollers.8793 The scariest thing I see is he is turning the diameter of stock extended WAY TOO FAR out of the chuck (about 4:07). He should have drilled a short hole with a center drill in the end of the stock and supported the drilled end with the tailstock center. What he did there is the video is really scary and very dangerous. The stock can shift out of the jaws of the chuck and smash the lathe or fly out at high speed. People have been killed doing this. Really bad form.
@@depthbrewedrollers.8793 a few things the stock is too far out meaning that it may be out of centre a little bit and it is also acting like a long lever putting more force on the chuck he is also not using oil this helps your bits not get worn as quick and helps get a cleaner cut and finally he is using a cut off too which is meant for cutting stock in the same way you would with a hacksaw when he should be using a facing tool which us used to remove material from the outside layer almost like you would with sand paper
😳 OMG! I was reading some comments while he was unpacking the lathe and read: he needs to take a curse, he doesn't know how to, etc! And I was thinking, here we go we go with all the experts. But truly... He's cutting that rod by holding it only by the chuck! Nooooo! 😳😭
He used the wrong tool he didn't use the tail stock his bite was to much he just guessed at all the settings and zero lube add that all up and what you get is a person with more time and money than since and possibly a useful pcs of machinery headed for the scrap pile that someone like myself would love to be able to justify buying
You can do this with a parting tool, just not crazy much.. in cnc we do it all the time.. But only tiny cuts, this guy was doing tiny cuts.. But i’d never do this in an easy to reach place hahaha only is o-ring cuts or things like that i’d use a parting tool simply cos no other tool will fit the slot..
I’m a time-served Turner with 37 years experience, and that was as hilarious as it was anxiety inducing. You reminded me of my first week on the job.
We would all llove to learn something from your 37 years experience
@@evahodges2477 well for a start, don’t do it for a living unless being made redundant 5 times isn’t an issue.
As a cnc operator i just thought : Eh, stick it out another mile without a center support haha, all the vibrations literally made my neck hair stand up
@@PRJX_S3 not to mention the fact that there was too much lube, he should've run it drier
@@smoker3092 and im pretty sure he was using a parting off tool the entire time?
This is actually an amazing advertisement for this unit. Using totally incorrect tools and cutting speeds it still gave a decent finish and didn't self destruct.
I agree. I've been looking at lathes for 24h and realized that he was doing it all wrong, you NEVER turn a piece of unsupported material that long (6:1 length:diameter ratio) in ANY lathe.
@@dgillies5420 I've done it.....
@@sovannv You may have done it but its still not good practice.
@@Tocsin-Bang yeah i dont like doing it. The machine i had didnt have a tailstock so i bored the jaws out and used ssv. Came it pretty good. Btw you can get away with different ratios depending on material.
Little advice when ratio is high. Dont use dull tools. The leverage could be enough to knock the part out the chuck.
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When I saw 347K subs I thought this guy must be really good and knows his stuff! Well I can tell you as someone who operated and programmed CNC lathes for a number of years, this guy did literally everyone wrong! Turning down with a parting tool, turning down a very long billet without supporting it between centres, NO COOLANT! He's also taking massive cuts for such a tiny little lathe. It's actually a testament to the poor thing that it didn't immediately break! I'll just assume this isn't the guys thing, and he's actually really good at something else?
Programmed CNC
@@naifhubaishi7528 Don't be daft. The same physic applies to both machines.
Astro la Vista Like always amateurs are "doctors" but they are they are self-proclaimed actually just cheaters.
I think it is the whole point, he abused it, and it didn't break.
Like usually if you see "best" i don't trust nobody.
As a trained fitter with hundreds of hours behind a lathe (Colchester), this video was *very* hard to watch! So much was done wrong that I don't even know where to begin.
"Oh look, the key won't stay in the chuck when I let go of it". Yes, excactly, that's a safety feature meant for dummies who doesn't realize what damage that key can do if the machine is started with the darn thing in there! First rule of opperating a lathe: Never EVER let go of the key/wrench when it is in the chuck. It should be like glued to the hand!!!
And if you intend to use highspeed bits on a regular basis, you really need a tray and a coolant supply. Running those bits without coolant will murder them FAST.
And the last thing you want is to sharpen a bit right before making the last pass...
Neat little machine though.
this helped me, thank you!
At least we learned that these lathes are very durable. But it was taught us the wrong way.
3:44 I'm shocked that it could even touch a (steel) metal stock of that diameter and that length of stickingoutness. How many, I wonder, can it handle before it gives up on you.
Lessons learned:
1. Use a parting/cutoff tool for a straight turning operation.
2. Never use the tailstock w/center on long pieces.
3. Never use lubricant.
holy moly that was hard to watch!
piworower that was hard on my ears, he should have had a warning for headphones users.
Who let the dogs out!!!WHO WHO WHO ...WHO..
+4. Always stop the spindle when the tool is still in a material.
Yup. Some people only understand with reverse psychology.
Got to hand it to the little fella. The Proxxon took that beating like a champ😂😂.
It was an itsy bitsy, teeny weenie, yellow polka dot lathe. Remember that song?
Things I would have done differently, in order:
1. Learn what I was doing
2. Put the workpiece farther in the chuck
3. Face off the end of the workpiece
4. Center drill the workpiece
5. Extend the workpiece from the chuck as need
6. Secure the workpiece with a live center in the tailstock
7. Measure diameter of workpiece
8. Turn down to desired diameter in small increments.
9. Try to remember what you have learned.
Really impressed with the quality of that chuck, hanging on to such a long unsupported steel bar turning a heavy cut with the wrong tool and no coolant! My Chinese CL 300 would have spit that bar out at the first tool contact. It’s a good looking mini lathe, would have liked to have seen a demo of the chuck TIR, and tailstock alignment with locking details.
Is it the same as clarke cl 300?
Oh, how I wish I had even a fraction of this level of blind self-confidence.
😂😂😂
It's thirty eight years since I used a lathe but I remembered the tail stock and coolant.
after your experience, which lathe machine mark is good?
@@maribellejasmin3819 After his experience of not using a lathe for thirty-eight years?
Dude that was the most hilarious set of lathe operations I've ever seen. Using a parting tool in auto feed to take like a quarter inch of the diameter of a steel rod that is hanging out of the chuck like 20 feet, not between centers, no support, no coolant, just full warp 9. That sound was hilarious! I almost shit myself when you continued to stand there. Hahaha great job dude! Hilarious.
Three Green Charms HAHAHAHAHA!!😉👍
man well a mini lathe that can take abuse...he should provide a link for the product
I honestly don't know a thing about using a lathe and what you're saying seemed apparent to me while watching. Hopefully he will do a little learning before he hurts himself.
Ah I didn't know all of those but just going by ear sth seemed a bit off for a normal lathe process. Sounded like big milling head on a way bigger machine taking of material at edge of it's capabilities. And those few tons CNC lathes are way more capable at handling abuse. But that sound is not sth you want to leave working unsupervised even when using very sturdy machine.
@@hellenwanjiru8947 Proxxon would probably sue to get him to remove it.
I owned a Proxxon PD360 for some years, my first metal lathe. I learned my lessons on it and it survived, despite heavy milling with a Myford slide and some crazy thread cutting. I bought an Emco Compact 5, which has proven to be the greatest thing I’ve ever acquired. I did buy a Proxxon PD400, the first one had a loud rattling when first switched on, so back it went. The second one seemed ok, but after putting a dti on it, I wasn’t happy with the spindle bore tolerances, so returned it. They claimed it was within tolerances, I disagreed. The other problems were that the leadscrew handwheel wouldn’t move the carriage, I assume because of having fresh gears and probably the thing that bothered me most, was that within 10 seconds, the motor became super hot, which made me worry about longevity. Still in terms of quality, they are the only good lathe on the market. If it had a beefier cast iron tailstock, it would be amazing. I had a Wabeco D4000, which had a tailstock bore which was way out of alignment with the spindle, though all other parameters were perfect, under .01mm. The D4000 was so flimsy, weak and lacking rigidity in the slides, that it was considerably out performed by my Compact 5, whose slides are made from Aluminium!!! The only other lathe that I respect hugely, is the Cowells ME90, which is the best lathe all round, but needs to be scaled up by 100%, to make it more versatile. Not used an Austrian Compact 8, but seen one and had a little play, seemed very nice, but the slides are the exact same design as used later by the D4000 jelly special.🤣🤣🤣
Sorry, so which one would you recommend? The Emco Compact 5 ?
Can parts ne got for these?
If you're not afraid to do some tuning up before serious use, and Seig built (Chinese) 7x10/12/14/etc. family of lathes are quite good. I've got a Raceway 7x12, came from a Homeier parking lot sale for (twenty-five years ago) around $300. It's no problem to cut to .001" on the diameter. It's a little annoying that although it has an inch sized lead screw, the cross and compound have metric thread, but for much less than the cost of a "better" Little Machine Shop version, I could obtain the "true inch" screw parts for those (or, since I have inch-thread lead screw, I could make my own. It comes with plastic change gears, but steel gears are available aftermarket, and the plastic is a nice safety net for beginners -- overrun the carriage under power feed and the gears will break teeth or strip the keyway instead of tearing up parts that are hard/expensive to replace.
You can learn anything you need to learn on one of these, before you spend a couple grand on a similar size Proxxon. No argument, the Proxxon is a better lathe out of the box -- but not $1200 better, IMO.
Just ordered Wabeco D4000.... lol we will see how it will perform.
@@mindasb Compact 5 is a superb machine, though only for very small light tasks. The Proxxon PD400 is just beautiful in quality, but only light work. The Compact 8 is a superb machine, which is probably the greatest hobby lathe of all time. Never owned one, but the Emco Compact 10 and the Schaublin 102 VM, are my dream machines. I would choose a minty used compact 8, or new, a PD400, just for accessories and reliability.
This was more difficult to watch than execution videos.
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props for keeping this on youtube man
Lmao
Drill a center hole on the material
Then support the job by a center. Then cut material
I think its for the billets of longer length to support cantilever bending.
He probably doesn't have a center drill..
With appropriate tooling not just a bit of HSS
I'm so envious. You managed to get a different chatter sound on every cut... 😉
The lathe is much smarter than the operator
It helps if you know the basics of operating a lathe before using it. Love how he stopped the rotation while the cut off tool was still contacting the workpiece during his last cut. This will be a return to Amazon for your next purchase.
Love how the lathe dropped the center tip when it realized it wouldn't be used...
That's a parting tool and only meant for cutting straight in hence why it's long and thin. It will cut a lot better with a more rigid tool that's not sticking so far out from the tool post.
That makes absolutely no sense!
Not to mention he's got WAY too much stick out from the chuck (1.5 times the diameter MAX). If the cutting loads force that part out of the jaws, he's gonna have a bad time.
where can i buy this lathe machine...any suggestion please...
Overhang Offset...
In practice parting blades are also used for immediate chamfering to improve speed after a grooving operation, and also used for light turning to clear up any lines when the blade was used in multiple passes to make a wider groove. The biggest problem here is the stick out.
Support long shafts with the tailstock in order to reduce vibrations. Of course use the right cutting tool and cutting oil. These machines are very delicate and you have to be careful in order not to ruin them and to make them last. Proxxon has very expensive replacement parts.
Polis Dimitriadis tailstocks keep the part from bending and snapping off also. This kills me to watch someone do something that every machinist knows exactly not to do.
Surprised he didn't burn that tool out with all that chatter!!!!!
when your lathe makes a noise like a dying animal, maybe you should bolt it down and back off a little
Buy a center drill and learn to use it. If that's a dead center, get some extreme pressure lube, too.
Hell no, just speed up the rpms ... lol
The bit where it vibrated so much that the dead centre fell out of the tailstock was what got me.
ive never used a lathe in my life but when i heard that sound i knew it aint right....lol
No just hold the tail stock down, it will be fine! This video made me cringe, a great example of how NOT to use a lathe!
What a beautiful little lathe, at 2:47in the video, I like how he is emphasizing that the chuck key has spring loaded detachments very important, if you had not got those springs and we're tightening up there Chuck, and forgot to take out the Chuck key it could cost you your life, I know you are thinking how would you forget to take out the Chuck key, but it is made more easy, because you would never have a habit of having to remember, because they spring out themselves, so with one that has lost its Springs is very dangerous, I remember years ago, when I was being taught in how to use a lathe, they were pretty big about 11 foot-long nearly, there were three Lathes , but the chuck key from one of the Lathes, had not got it's spring it had broke off, so it was not to be used by anybody except for the guy training us but, I recall one day one of the guys would not wait until the fella next to him was finished with the chuck key, so he went and took the one without the spring and of course he did not take it out of the chuck well I do not need to tell you how dangerous this was It flew through the work shop, at I would say a hundred miles an hour if not more, if it had of hit anyone it most likely would have killed them so, I like the way he points out that feature seems like such a small thing but it is so important these machines,
They have to be given their respect they deserve you could pay dearly, but once you are trying and they are an absolute joy to walk on
I would never depend on that spring. AND not all chuck keys have them anyway. What I do is have a hard rule that if the key is in the chuck, my hand MUST be on it. Therefore, I can't leave it behind. Been operating lathes for about a half century and never once violated it. I view safety procedures for machines just like for firearms. Never ever stray from safety rules.
I read all the comments first, and thought to myself, "He can't be that bad????" And then I watched the video. WHOAH!!! Thanks for showing us this handy little lathe, but brutha....... your lack of safety skills is gonna get you maimed or killed!!
Let´s agree it´s a good thing this is a 25 lb lathe and not a 2500 lb lathe.
Considering that you're not using the lathe correctly, it does appear to be performing pretty well. You chucked in a fairly large chunk of steel that was pretty long and larger in diameter that expected, it did turn. You're using a cuttoff bit for turning, which isn't really recommended, but it did appear to cut. You also cut pretty deep with the incorrect tool and you're not using the live center and tailstock to support the end.
I'm actually pretty impressed the whole thing didn't grind to a halt. I'm also pretty impressed nothing came flying off in your direction.
Impressive little lathe.
Dude just take a 5lb hammer and smash the damn thing to bits. It would make tool makers everywhere happy knowing you can't run parts anymore. Oh and that was a cutoff tool not a cutting tool.
For me this is the top comment
Well I have been thinking of buying this model. After seeing it take that abuse I have no doubts about buying!
me too
After watching a couple of his videos in perpetual /facepalm mode i was not surprised in the least when i noticed he is missing a portion of one of his fingers. it actually felt like one of those important details in the beginning of a movie that they show again at the end to emphasize its relevance.
I looked at all the comments about wrong speed, wrong tool, too long out of the chuck. BUT, not one comment about what he did right. After all; he did take it out of the box before using it!
I just wonder how you managed to stay alive, for such a long time?
This guy is just............ I'm not a specialist in any way, but even I couldn't watch the whole thing.
Holy shit... Bit of an investment to just go at it without a clue isn't it? Surprised that piece didn't come out and take the machine with it, lucky guy...
Spare parts will come to hand one fine day..use proper tools and accessories!!
Too much noise and vibration is causing damage to the machine.make sure everything is good.
I'm happy to see these prototype machines👍
My interest, is to get one send price to me, as soon as possible. Quotations to my address. Thank you. Ademola. Oyedeji.
Write an email to the company which he showed you in the beginning.you can get it for sure👍
Proxxon hired this guy to prove how durable is their machine.
Hey dont be too harsh on him I just acquired a unimat lathe (free) and my 1st job was 1 inch dia plastic to make a hub thingy for a small wheelbarrow. I was all over the place but managed to make the part, but I learned a lot from doing it. I have to make a wooden thing next, then maybe I will try something in metal.
Im looking through the comments and im suprised that nobody mentioned that he was also wearing long sleeves.
Most of my life, I have either done construction work, and or worked around some sort of "heavy machinery".
Printing presses, injection molding, or big ole metal presses.
I've learned from some "old timers" in a lot of these trades, and none of them wore long sleeve shirts, gloves, or any to get caught in the machines we were running or operating. Unless we were doing some type of maintenance on the machines.
Just before the 4 minute mark I thought “Oh cool, a destruction video!”. Nah, just torture.
at the end of minute 5 my desk was vibrating, just from the sound of lathe vibrating.
@@davorinrusevljan6440 I could feel it in my hands
@@Metroid1890 that's what she said!😂
Omg get that tail stock in use when turning long stuff, dude my heart was in my mouth watching this, and coolant of some kind.... and bolt that thing down.....
Lmaoo I was thinking the same thing
Che modello è questo tornio
And use a fucken right hand “TURNING” tool instead of a part off.
Nicolò Partis its a Proxxon lathe, made im germany. Check out there website.
Man, I really wish I knew what your saying just so I can enjoy the hilariousness... WTF is a tail stock...
"So how many thousandths are you going to take off?"
"thousandths?"
Two years on and your comment is still funny.
О!!!!! Боже!!! Один звук чего стоит!!!!))) Станок прелесть!!!))) Токарь - гарпун!))))
Так алень отрезным протачивает,да ещё вроде и нержавейку.....
I have never touched a lathe machine before, nor did I ever seen one with my own eyes directly, but judging from the noise this thing made, I'm 100% sure there is something wrong, dude.
Yeah the operator
Wow! What a speed reader this guy is.
Ok so it's very much obvious that Dr Hacker is not very experienced or rather not experienced at all when it comes to using lathes.. his video editing seems on point tho..
I am quite impressed with this little lathe.. mostly because it somehow withstood all the abuse thrown at it for the duration of the video but also because it actually looks very well build and for cutting some softer metals and smaller parts (not a 20 inch rod) I think it will do a decent job... the finish looked very good despite being done with part off tool...
To be fair, he did read the manual 0:45
Online class sucks. We cannot perform things we should in workshop but thanks for this vid i am able to visualize how lathe machine works.
I'm kind of impressed that this little machine could make that cut with the parting tool and without stalling. So if used correctly then seems like a decent lathe for a hobbist, should it be well priced.
@LightWrathme agreed, and doesn't that look like a live centre in the tailstock ???
I feel your pain, young lathe!
Cuanto cuesta para adquirir
Aqui no Brasil, 2 mil dólares...
Carlos Pari Mamani na Inglaterra por volta de 900 libras.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I had the same feeling...
It's always amusing when someone who has no idea how to use a machine or its tools attempts to give a Demo....
I guess it DEMOnstrates that the machine will survive exposure to such behaviour (not sure how long), i.e. if it had really shitty plastic gears that powerfeed would probably obliterate them.
does my nut in mate - the number of how-not-to videos posted up by eejits. don't even get me started on the motorcycle reviews posted by pure clueless, pure illiterates.......... amazing
I have seen a lot of abhorrent stuff on youtube, but I seldom get the full visceral reaction that i got from this video. Took a bite out of my chair cushion without using my teeth.
Throwing all those directions and manuals aside, like a real man!
who else was just waiting for something to explode?? .... tense viewing for sure!!! 😂🤣
Just being able to afford a lathe doesn't make you any good at it.
ffs
STV
I like the noise,It's the last thing you hear before a peace
of bar stock puts a hole in your skull.But....He sure can unpack a box.
Atleast now we know how durable this machine is
Mark Damien Rapada brilliant review....I didn’t kill the lathe...yet
Indeed, Proxxon make some great kit for SMALL jobs....have a couple on my work bench.....did i say they were more suited to SMALL modelling type work 😊....
@@MrSteamDragon would you consider the machine adequate for making rings as in jewelry? I need a small capacity off the shelf machine for a few custom wedding ring jobs. I don't have need for large machine or heavy usage, but I don't want to buy junk either. Thanks for your reply in advance.
michael paulissen hi, i have the proxxon table saw and the shaper. Both are more than adequate for small tasks. I dont have the metal lathe, but for small items like rings i would imagine they would be ideal. I have had both my tools for nigh on 5 years and they have performed flawlessly. Proxxon are probably not the cheapest small table top tools, but based on my experience the investment was worth it. YMMV of course 😎
@@MrSteamDragon hehehe
LOL, thanks to this video I actually placed an order to this beauty. Much sturdier than I thought and the operator didn't even get this steel bar in the face.
Maybe the best mini lathe, definitely NOT the most able user!
You are scaring the bejeezus out of me! Drill a center hole in that thing and put a center in it. Your gunna hurt yourself!
The thing you used is not for turning its for cutting through the workpiece after finishing the work it's made for one direction.. Inwards to the center line then the wanted piece falls down. For turning you take other type of tools...
I know the Proxxon lathe.. It's very accurate for small parts but when it comes to steel the classic mini lathe like the Sieg Ltd Clones are better for cutting steel. As long as it's brass or aluminum or very soft steel this Proxxon lathe is very good and accurate that's why model engineers so often use it their need for cutting steel is nearly zero and at the same time accuracy is an issue.... A friend of mine uses it for this purpose and loves this lathe cause he can make the parts he needed to and that's important..
And whenever you need the Proxxon service it's very good i had a little mini mill from them also for brass and alu and one day something broke I phoned them up and 3 days later I had the replacement part in my post and that for free although the guarantee time was over that's good service...
I agree completely with you but I didn’t have another one for the moment that’s why I use that just to show you
@@DIY.Invented it was just the sound normaly the Proxxon sounds well when you turn.. I always wondered how accurate the parts of my friend with it were he is model engineer and builds also airplane jets with real working mini turbine engines. I had a mini lathe that time and had to improve it for nearly 2 years to become as accurate as he was from the beginning the only advantage that I had was when turning steel.... I could remove more material. Nowadays I have a new 355kg lathe with glas scales (Sino DRO) and can't believe how patient I was that days..... now in a small amount of the same time I have turned more accurate parts made of every steel I am funny to work with 😁 with the mini lathe at the hardness of chrome steel (42CrMo4) was finished and also silver steel was to hard. For that you need a more rigid lathe.
Hello, I've been making miniatures (around 1:10 scale) for a while. The only power tool I have is a dremel so I abused it to turn small parts.. (I manually push a surgical blade as the tool).
Say, will this lathe be accurate enough for sub-cm parts requiring sub-mm precision? Do you have recommendations for milling machine for small items?
Edit: found that proxxon's site also has milling machines
Edit again: seems like I've found the machine I've been dreaming for!
That Kills My Heart.
In Vietnam.
It so Expensive and hard to buy this.
I just buy a veryyyyyy old mini lathe. Fix it, buy a likenew part, .... I take care it like my best friend.
And you do everything like idiot. Yep. Ok.
BigB
True
Rip man, it is fucking hard to be poor and bored.
Knowledge & talent are your greatest assets, you should take pride in them. An experienced machinist with limited resources will always be able to produce better quality than an amateur with top tier machinery.
@@szametha
Yep. I have "new " one.
Russian Lathe OT-5. I fix and restoration it. It first video, but it done. I dont have a time to film and make video.
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Thanks to the comments letting me know this is not actually a useful demo for a newbie wanting to learn!
Now you know , you learnt something 👍
First time buyer of a lathe, and it'll be the first time I used one, so I'm definitely buying this one because it's freaking indestructible according to all the experts that have posted. And even better I know what not to do, although some of it seems like common sense.
jesus, that piece of steel should have been supported. wtf are you doing
You haven’t got a clue how to use a lathe, so why do you say that it’s “the best”? In fact, you don’t have the knowledge to compare any two machines.
Many thanks for the replies which give useful information on this particular product.
He can tell that this is the best because the first one he tried broke into parts immediatly.
3:42 he is just kidding, is he?
3:53 ah... Just a joke, ok?
4:07 CALL THE POLICE
You missed the live center falling from the tailstock because of vibrations at 5:33
he is a hobbyist.
vassoritzen he’s a butcher👹
Hello! What model is this lathe? Is that where it's possible to buy? Thank you
He’s using a parting tool, with no geometry for cross cutting
I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Wrong cutter, This guy must be a hobbyist, he's no machinist. Cool lathe.
Remind me to skip the rest of Dr.Hacker's videos. "Best" my ass.
This video would be a great "what not to do" video for new machinist.
Hahahaha
yeah the lathe is great but I spotted so many safety/machine damage risks, not to mention the lack of precision while setting up at all.
Plus its 1500 bucks and for a this (seems like a newb) i think hewould be better off wotha. Cheap one
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Never , never let a workpiece stick out of the jaws a length more than three times its diametre.
And another friendly advice: Take some lessons with an experienced machinist. Please!!!
Yeah, that's correct, plus this one seems like it's up for wood only ( I reckon)
I dont want to know what gonna happen when it breaks and it flys around. Greetings from Germany that is a very good advise the problem is also that it dont have much Bar to hold it in position. Because it is only for the Hobby the Vibration and the diffrent sizes doesnt matter (I mean 1/10 & 1/100 mm or 1/1000 mm).
And where is the Oil or something like it to cool it down.
proxxon are a good make of mini machine tool. here is some half wit trying to destroy one.
Ynot6 this made me cringe so much those lathes are not cheap at all either
It was painful to watch. Poor lathe.
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5:33 that live center😂😂😂
I have never operated a lathe myself, but my son has the idea to wish one for Christmas.
So I got on YT to look some videos about mini lathes, this was the fifth one.
And now I saw some disturbing footage of someone which has apparently not even watched four YT videos before operating his own lathe.
That's sad. To say the least....
Yeah, this is too hard to watch... You obviously have no experience and have obviously done no research, so why would you film and upload your first attempt? Is this pure Dunning Kruger where you expected to just be able to do it?
Anyone else wonder why so many people use over-the-top and tacky intro graphics? Is there a graphics template website I'm not aware of?
How to immediately destroy the best mini lathe!
How can we buy it ? Is there availability in the shops kindly guide me
Excellent video, dispates the critics it is very good.
"Will it Lathe"
That is the question...
You can use the center point to avoid the vibration of the round bar you know
jesus velazquez won’t make much difference when he is using a parting off tool for incorrect cutting.. if he puts parting off tool on a slight angle it would help minimise sound but still isn’t correct tool
When I was an apprentice if you left the key in the chuck the instructor threw it down the gangway to teach you a lesson. You learned quick that way. On top of the other sins committed in that video, this guy actually removed the spring that prevents you leaving it in!
Super clever little lathe I like.
I was waiting for him to figure out a way to leave that key in the chuck.
When you started turning that LOOOOONG piece of metal without engaging the tailstock, i gtfo
that was ultra cringe
I was waiting for failure
Turning with a parting tool... 😏 and look at the handle for X axis at 5.23 while it is turning!!! 😶
crash test passed. my toolmaker's heart is crying. ( google translation )
you can make screws with this? I see it's moving autonomously :D and is it possible to change the head to fit bigger pieces? TY
He’s very amazing Leith. I don’t have this today, but I miss very much and I’m going to buy a again
Die Zentrier spitze ist nicht nur zum Ansehen....und ÖL wäre auch nicht schlecht:)
Title should read "Idiots & Machines"
No ... Idiots operating quality machines.
worldbestpilot
Can you elaborate on what’s he doing wrong? I’m asking coz I’m a diesel mechanic / welder by trade, I also just started casting different types of metals. Anyway, I’d like to get me a lathe also to come up with sick ass builds. Thanks.
@@depthbrewedrollers.8793 The scariest thing I see is he is turning the diameter of stock extended WAY TOO FAR out of the chuck (about 4:07). He should have drilled a short hole with a center drill in the end of the stock and supported the drilled end with the tailstock center. What he did there is the video is really scary and very dangerous. The stock can shift out of the jaws of the chuck and smash the lathe or fly out at high speed. People have been killed doing this. Really bad form.
@@depthbrewedrollers.8793 a few things the stock is too far out meaning that it may be out of centre a little bit and it is also acting like a long lever putting more force on the chuck he is also not using oil this helps your bits not get worn as quick and helps get a cleaner cut and finally he is using a cut off too which is meant for cutting stock in the same way you would with a hacksaw when he should be using a facing tool which us used to remove material from the outside layer almost like you would with sand paper
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Ну , все правильно , отрезным резцом мы гонем как проходным ..... очень умно , а проходным изогнутым мы отрезаем заготовочки ))))))
Your turning with a parting tool
You silly Billy.
nice lathe...price please?
Kitna cute lathe machine h .....😎😎😎😎😎😎
You urgently need a course of machining and mechanical lathe, for your safety! But the lathe itself is wonderful....!
sounds bloody awful atleast align the bar stock before you go cutting it
Your asking for trouble. Taking too mush off at a time and using the wrong cutting as well.
He's not called The tool hacker for nothing 🤣
Very good unboxing + testing 👍👍👍👍👍👍
😳 OMG! I was reading some comments while he was unpacking the lathe and read: he needs to take a curse, he doesn't know how to, etc! And I was thinking, here we go we go with all the experts. But truly... He's cutting that rod by holding it only by the chuck! Nooooo! 😳😭
He used the wrong tool he didn't use the tail stock his bite was to much he just guessed at all the settings and zero lube add that all up and what you get is a person with more time and money than since and possibly a useful pcs of machinery headed for the scrap pile that someone like myself would love to be able to justify buying
@@who-man7699 c'est la vie"
May I suggest the correct cutting tool for the purpose. That’s a cutting off tool lol. We all have to start somewhere! Best of luck.
I was expecting the parting off tool to snap at any minute.
You can do this with a parting tool, just not crazy much.. in cnc we do it all the time.. But only tiny cuts, this guy was doing tiny cuts.. But i’d never do this in an easy to reach place hahaha only is o-ring cuts or things like that i’d use a parting tool simply cos no other tool will fit the slot..
Very cute lathe. Cheers!
Apparently with enough rpm a parting tool is supposed to do anything?