Hard VW Golf 4 R32 vs. Honda S2000 Crash Unfall Nordschleife Nürburgring Touristenfahrten
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- Die Insassen des S2000 wurden zur Kontrolle ins Krankenhaus gebracht.
The passenger was taken to hospital for observation.
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It's actually pretty funny reading all the comments saying the S2000 was at fault.
Nobody seems to realize that the Nurburgring isn't actually a race track on the Touristenfahrten (tourist drive) days.
The R32 came in WAY too hot, and he could see the slow S2000 from quite a distance away coming off that straight before the left hand kink. People drive way too hard on the Touristenfahrten sessions and often outdrive their own abilities.
Adam Hansen true story
Adam Hansen So true!
The R32 made the corner.
Adam Hansen lol dude the m3 even pasted the 2000 the m3 was way gone around that turn already if the 2000 could actually drive like rest of the people driving on that track, the 2000 would of been long gone in front of the m3 where he wouldn’t of been any where near the vw........ Dumbass
but wouldnt it make more sense if the s2000 didnt take the racing line if they are driving that slow
This video just broke my heart
The accident is from a public day where the Ring is a one-way public toll road; it isn't closed off as in with their trackdays. On public days coaches and trucks go around too, so those saying the S2000 was going too slow and had no right to be there are merely ignorant of the facts.
It is funny to read comments from people that haven't got the slightest idea on what a Touristenfahrten is... IT COULD HAVE BEEN A TRUCK INSTEAD OF THE S2000, or a slow motorcycle (dead after this kind of crash). This is NOT a track day, and NO, you are not obliged to go fast. Assumption is the mother of ALL F-UPS.
I guess the reaction was: "what the hell? In Gran Turismo I can take this corner much faster!!!"
That Golf would've made the corner, the S2000 was slow on the exit to a blind corner. 50/50 fault.
@@shadowgaming6660 You have drive as fast as you be able to brake!!! If you drive with an shitty golf 4 such fast knowing youare not able to brake, then it's you're fault
On a track you can't simply can't stop in time for a slow car, unless you go under 100km/h for the whole lap.
@@shadowgaming6660 nope the r32 was to fast and could see the s2000 in time but did not slow down its their fault
@@seeking9145 that shitty golf 4 has a nice vr6 engine and sounds better than the s2000
The Golf got out of shape way before it hit the Honda. For some reason, it drove onto the grass, then it never recovered.
Ya, that's what it looked like to me too. I'm wondering if he had cheep or worn out tires. He covered a lot more ground then I would have expected without regaining control and giving a S2000 a Golf enema.
It clearly looks like he was going faster than he could handle with a corner approaching and another car in front of him.
Poor S2000 :(
poor r32
S2000 i have better acceleration, engine, handling from slow vw 237hp
@@comradegeorgy4266 not mention the Golf R32 has a ton of understeer .
Whoever says that the fault is of the Sk2, has never driven at ring.
Ring is not a circuit , rules here are slighty different.
1) You can overtake only left side. S2k was in the right place for the rules.
2) Golf pilot has made a huge mistake, overestimating his position and braking on the grass.
3) As for the road, if you hit, you are responsable.
Sorry for the two drivers, but it's Golf fault.
Safely cruise at Nordschleiefe they said
It will be fun they said
I hope the R32 paid for the S2000 damages. Footage clearly shows the S2000 was on the slow lane and even put his signal on to show he is aware of faster oncoming traffic and letting them pass
Die Geschwindigkeit vom S2000 ist vollkommen egal, da er sich sowieso rechts befunden hat. Da kann er mit 80 Km/h fahren, auch durch die Fuchsröhre. Der Golf-Fahrer ist zu weit raus gekommen (hinten rechts auf dem Grass/Curb), dadurch kam das Heck.
Wie sich das anhört. "Das Heck kam bei einem Golf." :'D
Atsuí das geht bei fronttrieblern schneller als du denkst.. gibt massenhaft vids wo man sieht wie auch bei fwd autos das heck kommt. und meisten kommt das sehr schnell.. schneller als bei hecktrieblern
schneller als bei Hecktrieblern? Naja, das kann ich so nicht stehen lassen, da BULLSHIT. Bin beides Jahrelang gefahren.
das kann man so pauschal wahrscheinlich nicht sagen. das hängt sicher auch vom fahrwerk, reifen etc ab..
Den Mar Nö, kein Bullshit. Da beim Fronttriebler meist hinten keine Last vorhanden ist, ist das weitaus giftiger. Zumal beim Fronttriebler das Einfangen meist schwerer wird. Der Hecktriebler geht meist böse raus, wenn man zu sehr aufs Gas latscht, beim Fronttriebler, wenn man abrupt vom Gas runter geht. Dynamische Achslastverteilung lässt grüßen. Der Hecktriebler hat dann meist ziemlich viel Last auf der Hinterachse, vorne relativ wenig, weshalb sich das ganze Spiel verlangsamt. Bös wird beim Hecktriebler dann aber spätestens der Gegenpendler.
Vtec forgot to kick in YO !
Haahha :D
made my day!!! :D
crxvtec1981 let's See what we've got here... Oh, just another dude with no sense for humor.
TheScrappingJeahaha Random guy forgot to kick in Humor ;)
Poor S2000 ...
Und der Facepalm des Monats geht an den Golffahrer des Monats!
Why are people blaming the Honda driver, he was not using the racing line. He was on the right hand side I.e "the slow lane". The crash was due to the golf driver trying to recover from losing grip in " the grass. Nothing to do with how the Honda driver was driving.
It's interesting to see how the ESP worked and /almost/ avoided a terrible crash.
Der S2000 Fahree macht bestimmt langsam wegen dem Warndreieck am rechten Rand!
I just done the Nurburg last weekend. Obv much faster 911s etc were up my arse within seconds, made my first mistake of sticking to the left indicating left but they would not over take on the right and flashed at me, having realised its German law I went to the right and they overtook on the left which is what this S2000 is doing. Ppl have to remember its not a race track, makes no difference how slow the S2000 was, could be stationary from breaking down, Golf driver entered that corner far too fast and had he not crashed into the S2000 he wouldv made a meal of the corner anyway. His mistake, was out of his depth and going onto the grass made him loose control which lead him into the S2000s rear. If hed stayed on the track he mightv just crashed his own car and not involved any innocent drivers.
It is a race track that is opened to the public. Get the facts right. The S2k either way was driving way too slow for any part of that track.
But still..that R32 driver have no bars.
Should always remember what lies ahead in the next corner.
Eindeutiger Fehler vom Golf-Fahrer
Thank god the E30 wasn't involved >
sind immer die gleichen Typen in den selben Autos, die sich überschätzen
Ist bekannt, warum der Fahrer so langsam unterwegs war? Hatte er einen Defekt, oder wurde ihm das einfach zu viel und setzte den Blinker rechts und fuhr langsam weiter?
What a noob. That R32 driver needs track lesson.
Yes, If the S2K was driving faster, the accident could probably have been avoided, but the driver of the R32 came into the corner too hot, lost control of the vehicle and rammed the back of the S2K. The S2K driver did not cause the accident, the guy who put his car into the corner faster than he could handle caused the accident. Drive your car to its limit, sure. Just not beyond it.
or the golf would have hit the guardrail
Just going to leave my English comment right here.
It still wanted to translate it
Yes I agree the honda was going slow. Although if you are the faster one, you are responsible. It's just like snowboarding on the mountain slow people will carve in front of you. If you are "good" enough to go that fast you should be responsible.
nlimskater yeah but the nurb* is a double black diamond. a beginner should not have been there in the first place. when you are bombing a run you don't expect to see people sitting on their ass.
anon He is legally allowed to do so and he was driving on the right side, which is he legally bound to. In Germany you can drive as fast as you want on the Autobahn, but you need to make way for faster vehicles and drive on the right lanes if possible; and he did exactly that.
Ich tippe mal auf doppelten Totalschaden?!
Schade um die schönen Autos, aber hauptsache den Insassen geht es gut.
The s2000 - slowed and moved over to the right to yield to the faster cars - even used the turn signal - at this track you always pass on the outside and slower cars are to move over to the inside
Shit, ESP saved him only to bang poor Honda :(
At least he didn't do a "barrel roll"...
how it work in a crash like that? who pay the damage?
Unless they have special insurance that covers the use of their cars on a race track (which is unlikely) then they'll each have to pay for their own car repair/replacement. Normal car insurance doesn't cover using your car on a track. I'm guessing you also have to sign a disclaimer to say you can't hold the track owners responsible. Basically you're on your own.
David Earp wrong. It's public road by law while "Touristenfahrten". So the insurance has to pay.
olfkopf true.
olfkopf just tried to tell someone else... but what about speeds excessive if 130 km/h?
GetLOSTinTHOUGHT It's like on the German Autobahn: There is no Speed Limit except Breidscheid and Döttinger Höhe.
I remember a purple Corrado in a 2013 video coming into the same turn way too hot like that and really blasting the wall at speed for some serious damage.
R32 at fault, should be barred from entry to the ring
It looks to me it was Golf's fault, it stepped on the grass and lost precious braking distance. Maybe butthurted for not catching the E30, did not estimated correctly his and the car's potentials. The S2000 was on the right side with the blinker on, letting people pass
Sketos_Gr The Golf made the corner, but it couldn't avoid the slow S2000 50/50 even on the road, going relatively slower on the exit to a blind corner is dangerous.
Tell me what Car you Have, and i'll tell you Who You are
Wow they were both SUPER lucky that accident couldve gone way worse
Honda driver was overtaken by 3 people in the first clip before the VW hit it. If he is driving that slow he shouldn't be on the racing line! VW was driving fast on the racing line, it's not his fault there was a slow ass in front of him! The only reason he lost control is because he locked up the brakes trying to slow down while cornering.
tl:dr if the Honda wasn't on the racing line this never would have happened.
Junge ^^ ... das ist kein Rennen sondern eine Touristenfahrt ... was lernen wir daraus? Richtig, STVO !
Klar, immer am Wochenende und wenn ich Lust habe... ist aber fakt !
There is no such thing as a racing line at the Nurburgring on open days like this you MORON! The rules are you keep to the right and overtake on the left.
jimfastlane28 right
jimfastlane28 it's still a race track. No matter what you think.
Obviously most of you never have been to a Trackday and even less have been to the NOS.
The "Nordschleife" has its own strict rules.
Most important rule: Overtaking from the right side is prohibited.
Also, Trackdays on the Nordschleife arent meant to be entered with the mindset, that you want the fastest time possible.
In short, its a toll way without speed limit - thats all. You can either cruise, or rip through the corners, its all up to you.
All in all: The R32 will have to pay the damage on the S2k and he even did. There is nothing to discuss.
Wenigstens ist der e30 m3 ganz geblieben
Der S2000 Fahrer tut mir echt leid... der schöne Wagen.
THE REAL QUESTION IS...WHY IS THERE A VW GOLF!!!!
haha true..
Because the R32 is fast.
@@shadowgaming6660 in what world is r32 fast?:))))
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as far as I concerned you hardly find an insurance company to insure you on the track. I'd be interested how did they come to an understanding. It should have cost a fortune for the VW driver. He had to pay for the track closure, for his own car, for the Honda, for the tow truck etc.
for this instance, he would not HAVE to pay the honda, there is nothing forcing him to pay the hondas fees, the honda put himself in that situation knowing full well that this might occur
@@Smitherrrrs and you just proved, that you have no idea how the Nordschleife works on Touristenfahrten and what it actually is. On Touristenfahrten (not trackdays!) the Nordschleife is a paid toll road and not a racetrack. Thats why it's illegal to pass from the right, ignore the speed limits on some parts of the track, etc.. Since it's "just" a toll road and not a racetrack regular insurance policies kick in (if the insurance has no explicit clause to exclude the Nordschleife) and the golf driver rearended that s2k, forcing him to pay for the damages.
R32 lost control, S2000 was just on the way (if there was no S2K Golf would hit the wall)
false, because of the speed of honda ,golf tried to overtake and turn left but speed was too great and despite the efforts crush still happened, golf lost control because he wanted to go left and recovered.
@@Nika-ib8eg golf hit the grass and lost control even before the s2k had a say in anything
The Golf, clearly! He went to far over the curbs so he lost control over the car
Could of been avoided by the vw. This wasn't the s2k's fault. When the vw brakes locked up he could of taped on the gas to unlock the brakes and steered left on the correct racing line, plus I believe the vw has abs. But then again the grass and curb played a roll. Anyway everyone has accidents it's part of racing, even the great ayrton senna has crashed. Respect! You live and you learn.
looks like the golf put a wheel on the grass during hard braking and it all went wobbly from there until he walloped the s2k up the arse.
golf drivers mistake for sure BUT he might have done well to keep it straight and out of the walls its just unfortunate for the honda driver he couldnt avoid him too
The best thing is that someone has already put up a sign "accident" there.
It is a Tourist Driveday, so You will have to take care for other, slower drivers who do not know the course as well. This case is clear, it is the golf drivers fault, his insurance will cover the damage caused on the Honda and if he is lucky enough to have comprehensive insurance, they might also pay his...
If You want to go for records, put a number on Your car and participate in a race!
No Marshals waving blue flags. Racing incident. Unfortunate.
Poor S2000, that's why I never ever take my own car to the ring
Der R 32 war aber auch sehr zügig unterwegs...das hätte noch häftiger ausgehen können, wenn er die Kontrolle verloren hätte.
Damn another car loosing control off the painted lines this place is crazy !
Those aren't painted lines...
Golf driver at fault he went on the grass out of control driving beyond his capabilities.
I would be so pissed
when you see a honda..... "smash that ass!"
Der arme S2000...
Jeder, der die NOS befährt, weiß, wie dort gefahren wird. Und jeder entscheidet, ob er am Limit fahren oder als Hindernis für andere rumrollen will. In meinen Augen beides nicht ganz richtig und hier haben sich eben durch einen unglücklichen Zufall die beiden Extreme getroffen. Den S2000-Fahrer trifft dabei sicher keine Schuld. Der R32-Fahrer hat wegen zu viel Speed in der falschen Linie die Kontrolle verloren und den Wagen DANN eigentlich schon wieder ganz gut gefangen! Das da dann der S2000 so langsam rumtuckerte war schon Pech. Schuld ist der R32-Fahrer durch seinen Kontrollverlust trotzdem.
Sieht übrigens so aus, als hätte er auf dem letzten Stück überhaupt keine Bremsleistung mehr.
Das mit der Bremsleistung hatte ich auch schon im Kopf, ist aber nicht wirklich zu erkennen.
Die Airbags scheinen ihren Zweck erfüllt zu haben. Immerhin etwas.
that Golf definitely wall rides in Gran Turismo
blöd gelaufen.. Schade um die beiden tollen Autos. Bei dem R32 sieht man den Airbag aufgehen... Das macht den Schaden schon sehr hoch
Schade, der Golf IV R32 ist ein sehr schönes Auto! Denke mal den Insassen geht es gut.
Sad situation
Schade um den R32
Fiat Autohaus Möckel ja du das sag ich dir :(
eher schade das da so ein Idiot drin gesessen hat.
Schade um beide Autos
Wieso schmieren die Reifen beim Jolf eigtl. so krass, hat der kein ABS?
Bestimmt, aber wenn die Reifen quer über die Lauffläche schieben, hilft auch ein ABS nicht mehr wirklich. Abgesehen davon erlaubt ein ABS noch einen gewissen Prozentsatz an Schlupf.
Wie du schon sagst einen gewissen Schlupf aber keine 50m Bremsspur :)
Hubert Walter ein ABS kann nicht quer zur Rollrichtung wirken und es kann die Physik nicht überlisten. Der Reifen ist eingeschlagen, ein großer Teil der Kraft auf den Reifen verläuft nicht in die Richtung, in der das ABS wirken kann.
der golf (r32) is wieder aufgebaut und fährt wieder.
an alle besserwisser, der Honda is zuvor auch mit hoher Geschwindigkeit gefahren.
und dann an in der Kurve hat der Golf dann den Fahrbahnrand erwischt und kam ins schlingern und bei tempo 230 was da ein normales tempo ist an der stelle bei so Fahrzeugen is der bremsweg dementsprechend lang.
quelle: der Beifahrer vom r32 is mein arbeitskollege.
+Robin Weinert juckt keinen. ist nur ein golf. zum glück hat er nicht den M3 abgeschossen...
+SkyBurN m3 gibt es genug. Golf r32 sind da eher seltener. Schade um den Golf
+The Faxon Felix vom E30 sicher nicht, ab E46 sind sie wieder massenware, gebe ich dir recht, aber der E30 M3 ist eine Ikone die der R32 (bei allem Respekt, es ist ein schönes Auto) niemals werden wird, und ich weiß er hat eine riesen fanbase, aber gute E30 M3 sind seltener und auch teurer
+SkyBurN sicher. Ich bin selbst ein Fan vom E30 aber ab dem E36...naja jeder zweite fährt dort einen. :)
+The Faxon Felix ich fahr selber E36 und E30, bin von beidem ein riesiger fan, alles danach ist so lala :/
Echt? Also bei uns in Ingolstadt siehst kaum noch E36, da biste exot mit sowas :D
Well... The Golf 4 R32 seems very hard to drive... In second 0:02 and second 0:14 the damn thing was sliding from side to side of the street... Seems to be a car that you could not push to the limit very easily
Nah stock r32 is very capable of driving hard. Blame on the skill of driver
Here is the RACE TRACK not crusing road
Golf going way too fast for amount of traffic! !
You have to have some common sense...plus why risk it? His skill level should be in question as to locking it up so bad and sliding.
Seems the golf chasing the m3 damn that was racing line rite?
it seems to be
Wtf was the s2000 driver doing? He was right on the line that cars are going to follow out of the corner, but he's only driving 30mph? Feel bad for the r32 owner for that one.
Glass-Man-252 Nope, this is what the Nordschleife web says: "In the interest of safety for all concerned some rules need to be followed. You have to drive on the right side and the Highway Code and Road Traffic Licensing Regulations apply". So, it's not the S2000 driver's fault. There is one basic thing that people forgets: The Nordschleife is a one-way toll road open to the public (there are even speed limits in some places), that means that you have to respect lots of rules. Yes, you can drive fast, but first you need to check for other cars around you; something that the R32 driver didn't make before going full-attack and "overcooking" that turn.
Maxi Díaz I had no idea that the drivers were to follow those types of regulations such as staying to the right and speed limits in certain sections!!! Knowing now what you've explained the r32 would be at fault. I just looked at it like the s2000 was just driving way too slow and the vw couldn't avoid him. However the vw shouldn't have entered that corner so aggressive. Thanks for the insight to the rules and regulations.
Glass-Man-252 You're welcome. I have to say, the S2000 driver was a bit too slow maybe, but he's not the one to be blamed here. Anyway, thank you for being reasonable, that's something hard to find on the internet (especially on TH-cam) these days. Have a nice day, chap.
Maxi Díaz Absolutely man. I'm a car enthusiast, have been all my life!! However I by no means know everything (nobody does). I'm always open to learning anything new. Thanks for explaining everything to me pal.
It's just like the roads out here, whenever there's an accident it's two idiots not paying attention coming together
Быстрый резкий - Федор Достоевский!
end this race whit a DOUBLE CRASH?-- Shingo
Hätte er ESP angehabt wäre es vlt vermeidbar gewesen... vielleicht.
Aber auf der Rennstrecke schaltet man das ja aus wa
+BIRKERBOYZ ESP ist ja für den Elchtest entwickelt worden. Der fährt doch viel zu schnell drauf, er weicht nicht aus. ESP hätte ihm kaum geholfen. Er bremst sehr früh und rutscht nur.
schreibhecht Stimmt eigentlich auch, jetzt wo ich es noch mal sehe. Aber er geht kurz vor dem Aufprall von der bremse, so als ob er ABS nicht gewöhnt wäre. Sehr komisch? :/
Man muß öfters gebremst haben um aus dem Reflex heraus zu entscheiden ob man bremst oder ob man die Bremse losläßt. Wichtig ist eigentlich nur zu wissen das man oft etwas Kontrolle zurück bekommt, wenn man die Räder drehen läßt. Und man muß wissen das man die Physik nicht überlisten kann.
Wenn es regnet, schneit oder Nebel ist, ist es wichtig so langsam zu fahren das man überleben könnte. Bei solchen Wetter ist die Unfallgefahr um ein vielfaches höher.
That Honda S2000 is driving way too slow. Not much to blame that Golf driver, he did his absolute best to get the car at a stop...
Wer bezahlt?
Du
Man sollte schon mutig genug sein die Bremse auch loslassen zu können. Und vielleicht sollte er vorausschauender fahren, er hätte den viel langsameren erkennen müssen.
Ich tippe mal das er ein Mittelpurfahrer ist, nur die lernen nicht das schätzen ob andere langsamer oder schneller fahen als man selbst.
Warum die Bremse loslassen?
er denkt halt der r32 hat kein ABS xDDD
WhiteSlift Weil Bremsen sind für die Weicheier :-D
WhiteSlift
Weil die Reifen dann oft wieder Haftung bekommen und man lenken kann/könnte.
Syrox Man könnte mit gelöster Bremse Kräfte nehmen und das Auto wird weniger belastet und das Auto könnte sich wieder fangen.
ABS ist zum Beispiel bei Schnee fast funktionslos bzw man hat einen längeren Bremsweg.
Man sollte also nicht blind der Technik vertrauen. Man sollte üben um im Ernstfall angepasst reagieren,
Coming in hot!
vw was on the grass and lost control.
Honda wanted a baby that had some real car enthusiast so it got rammed in the back by a golf
it's clearly golfs driver fault but .. if ppls can drive at Nürburgring that slow as s2k no point to use this race track .. soz public track lmao
The understeer is real.
I think the s2k did the right thing. I mean ive never driven there but i know that if youre too slow that other cars might pass you you need to pull to your right. I dont know about that gti though.
On the bright side, we didnt lose the M3 E30. I hope they are okay though. Sad day for the S2K owner.
airbag was like: PUF!
Stupid golf. Don't bring golfs to a race track.
*****
Everyone was thinking it :D
*****
Pretty sure
+xbe Yeah, bring slow S2000 instead.
Geog Marin S2000 is rwd. Golf is not.
+xbe Who cares.
I wrote civic but meant golf... sorry
its the cheap tires on that golf
Unlucky!
der schöne S2000 :( die Golf Fahrer glauben immer sie hätten nen Ferrari :D
Alter wenn man Leistung hatt dann gibt man stoff😂😂
Voraussetzung man kann fahren 😂
Ouch
Too Slow Jr! Let's go MENAGE!
1000 Points!
At least the air bag worked in the golf, amateur driver
Poor S2000.
Ein Kevin im Golf.
B.b.but in Assetto Corsa that wouldnt have happened
S2000 Nooooooo !
I feel for honda driver 😐
Lieber in den Honda als in die Leitplanke, der Honda is günstiger in stand zu setzen :D
The R32 came in too fast locked up under breaking hit the curb/grass and couldn't avoid the honda.... if you saw that in your rear view mirror you must think shit POWER and get the fuck out of the R32's path it's almost like just because your on a race track the R32's driver thinks he's pro