The hardest character to play is the justification of spending more than $20 on a game from 2006. Seriously though, don’t buy the dlc. The shit was free back then.
Different kinds of difficult. Akira has ridiculous inputs. Vanessa has two full move lists. Shun Di is like Jamie on crack for drinks and moves. There's "straightforward" characters, but there's also a lot of different ways characters can be a challenge in this game. Also, even if Akira doesn't have a lot that leaves him back turned, it comes up a lot in matches, so everyone has a moderate number of tools. Some a lot more than Akira. edit: Li Fei is basically Maxi without the nunchucks. You like stances? Circle through 7 freakin' stances that naturally connect into each other. What kinda difficult character would you like?!?
I think Vanessa loses some points just because there’s a clear distinction between her stances. You’re either going for this, or you’re going for that. Lei Fei is bit harder because his moves blend into each other
You know what I'm hoping they keep in in the new one? Ring outs. It's such a forgotten mechanic since 3D fighters have been in a weird spot for a long time
There are ring outs in SC, so it's 2 out of 4 among the biggest franchises, pretty fair i think. And SC had a release in every generation up to the ps4. So ring outs not rare or only last seen a long time ago... but it just happens that the only successful and growing 3d fg is TK, that coincidentally lacks it. No big deal. Anyways, i also hope ring outs are not removed.
Changing the topic a little bit, i also hope the VF devs bring back the "irregular" stages from the time of VF3 (also done in T4). Now that's a true forgotten feature. They just need to have a set of "regular" stages meant for competition. The 3d fg companies turned down their original goal of exploring the current technology to the best of their abilities, for the sake of the competitive aspect. I disagree with the idea... everything would be fine if they just had a couple of regular stages for the competition. It's amazing how those professionals failed to come to that conclusion in the 00s. So their solution was completely abandon the idea, slow down the technology progress in the 3d genre, just because the fgc criticised those stages in VF3 and T4. The same fgc that usually prefers to compete in a simple training stage.
electric is way kinder. it's the first PEWGF fs tho. I set my pad up for the game way different in order to be able to do them consistently. I'm now able to do them 4 out of 10 times. still bad, but way better
One of the things that makes Akira difficult to play is that he tends to be super linear and easy to step (and his tools to deal with that are throws and semi-circulars). Nobody you played is evading at all, which... well, if everything's going in a straight line, Akira's terrifying.
VF is my favorite 3d fighter for sure but i do think a lot of the inputs really show how specifically designed for traditional joystick the series is. i'm having a great time on leverless cause it doesn't aggravate my RSI nearly as much as stick does, but there's a few commands that make me wish i was using stick
I used to knee on the pad by holding two fingers poised over kg, and doing a quick scratch/scrape motion with both fingers, just make sure the first finger barely grazes guard with your fingernail while the second can just scrape it normally. Top players can use it in a match. The knee you get without the 1 frame execution is kinda crappy but will prolly hit in situations where the 'just frame' knee would hit. Look up homestay akira to see a god of execution. PS: df+K might be the closest equivalent to a confirmable low forward.
I would add that he's the hardest execution-wise, but his gameplan is actually much simpler than a lot of other characters. You just need crazy consistency to be able to utilize his best tools properly.
There is no point in this separation, as you can't use gameplan outside of execution part, as both of them part of one system. Overall Akira is hardest character in this game. Only people, who can't really utilize his whole moveset can say he is easy.
Homestay akira actually did a video a while back showing how to do knee on stick, including handcam on the buttons: 提膝弾腿（旧：独歩頂膝）の出し方について【VFes/VF5US】 th-cam.com/video/t6G5cgYSGC8/w-d-xo.html He basically just barely scrapes the right edge of the guard button with the top of his thumbnail. Also, he turns his thumb so the left side is facing down, then slides right as his hand comes down.
I think it probably won't be exactly this way. And i must say it's not a good idea to keep making games like this in the current era. VF5 is from the mid 00's and it belongs to a very different developer culture, community culture, and market from now. Now i don't exactly mean it must be turned into T8. Just that it's hard to make a modern fg with a competitive potential (commercially) that is identical to VF5. Besides, Sega must be aware of how all these latest games are doing in sales... SF6, T8, GGST, etc.
@@carlosaugusto9821 they will likely make it more casual friendly because thats the majority market base which is why they reduced or outright removed the execution barriers in t8, they went too far on this though. The dedicated competitive gamer nerd that thrive on high execution stuff is a minority customer base.
YES! i too keep hitting phantom buttons, because as a tekken player i expect the 4th button to do something. or sometimes i hit the guard button, expecting a kick to come out.
His ba ji quan is impressive when he do the movements i remember the forms,how he stomb in the ground and with all his muscles when he launch his elbows is magnifician terrefying it's like you can feel his elbows breaking you destroying you,but my favouriye character is Pai Chan csuse she is prerty....Akira is scary...
4:32 it depends on the character. Feng who uses a similar martial art has a similarly large BT moveset Akira doesn't have the same tools for entering back turned, but there are set-ups like jumping over opponents
Akira is overhyped because of the execution on certain moves, but overall, he’s pretty easy to play with a straight forward gameplan. I’d say Eileen is the actual hardest to master due to her many cancels and stance changes. Lei Fei can be pretty complicated too.
This don't make any sence, you can't really split gameplan and execution, because they only work together and can't be used separatly. If you don't count this moves, Akira just streight weak character, who can't really do anything. But this moves are make him quite strong. Anyway from gameplay view Akira play very different from other characters, so its pointless for such comparison. As for hardest complicated - Lei Fei 100% by far hardest, but in really no one can really utilize his potential completely, so its not fair to comparison. Most players try to use interesting characters, who strong and not hardest to play, because been hardest are not mean that they strongest.
Don't think the gbod is actually about accuracy, but it's one of those moves where the timing has to be right and you can os the follow up and then do the follow ups if it comes out.
I've never played VF, is it just impossible to move up or down during pressure to explain all the ring outs? It feels really excessive when you can just...not have your back to the outside so I assume block strings keep you in place?
Very much possible especially for linear moves. In fact, you can side step when you're a bit negative. VF for a while has had a "perfect" dodge mechanic to it. You see it a bunch in this vid. VF in general has a bunch of stuff involving repositioning. But y'know, not info available to people new to the game
The only hard thing about Shun Di is remembering his frame advantage and disadvantages and giving up max damage output for drinks, and that's not saying much. He's just about beginner friendly.
They’re difficult for different reasons, you gotta keep track of a bunch of things when playing shundi, like how many drinks you’re on and what moves are available to you at every moment he’s very tricky but he can be very forgiving. Akira on the other hand has no gimmicks, all his best stuff require precise timing, and he isn’t very forgiving at all, just technically very difficult.
There's some buggy stuff with matchmaking occasionally but there are a lot of people playing yes. There are some vf discord with a lot of players you can ask as well
I disagree with the notion that Akira is the "hardest" character to learn. His moves are almost all single powerful strikes. No need to mess around with long attack strings. The only "hard" thing about him is execution difficulty, which, with a couple exceptions (knee, SPoD), isn't actually all that difficult. I've always found him to be one of the easiest characters to win with.
Akira play very different from other characters. Beside, high level players strife much more and most of Akira moves don't have any tracking, so he need to utilize his hard moves to counter. From you point of view i can say Wolf and McWild much stronger, as they can end match in 2 throws and low rank players don't throw escape that often...
I played a sample of tekken 7 a chunk of tekken 8 and i seem to oddly like virtual fighter 6 and soul calibur 6 more. And this is coming from a street fighter player so i do hope we get a tekken or soul calibur or virtual fighter collection one day.
Not sure who’s the hardest in this QWOP ass game, but Ryu is a fair and honest fighting game character who earns all his wins. The ministry has spoken.
Your comment doesn’t even make sense. How is VF5, a game that came out originally in 2006 a “poor man’s Tekken 8?” In addition they are completely different games. VF5 has no lame gimmicks or scrubby mechanics. Do you guys even think before you type?
Sorry Diaphone, but the hardest character in the game is actually the one that I play.
And how do I know? Because my brain has gone out of its way to make it so beyond all doubt.
The hardest character to play is the justification of spending more than $20 on a game from 2006.
Seriously though, don’t buy the dlc. The shit was free back then.
Terry Bogard with a Mustache?
@laranitaloca6913 yeah from what I remember this was a leaked joke sprite from Garou and I have been using it as my icon since I found it
Scrape the button.
“My finger is near the button.”
they gotta lean into the button-scratching for the marketing to bring in the cat ears crowd (we're too busy with anime fighters to notice otherwise)
@@gamelairtim"Scratch the button."
On😂😂😂g
Hardest opponent in the game is my brain.
Easiest character is the one you play. Hardest character is the one I play.
Different kinds of difficult. Akira has ridiculous inputs. Vanessa has two full move lists. Shun Di is like Jamie on crack for drinks and moves. There's "straightforward" characters, but there's also a lot of different ways characters can be a challenge in this game. Also, even if Akira doesn't have a lot that leaves him back turned, it comes up a lot in matches, so everyone has a moderate number of tools. Some a lot more than Akira. edit: Li Fei is basically Maxi without the nunchucks. You like stances? Circle through 7 freakin' stances that naturally connect into each other. What kinda difficult character would you like?!?
Vanessa is basically Gen from Street Fighter.
@@MechaG that gen-erally lines up.
👏👏👏
@@MechaG*with about 100 more moves. Lol.
I think Vanessa loses some points just because there’s a clear distinction between her stances. You’re either going for this, or you’re going for that. Lei Fei is bit harder because his moves blend into each other
Ah, the move that J Wong was stuck on for 40 minutes.
Nice editing! The echoed "oh" caught me off guard hahaha
Isn't Shun Di the hardest?
Nah, shun di is hard to wrap your head around but not hard to play once you understand his core gameplan. Akira is by far the hardest character
@@AllRightPinguinoRodriguez Think you missed the joke at 1:19 lol
@@AllRightPinguinoRodriguez No Jeffry is the hardest character because he hits hard
You know what I'm hoping they keep in in the new one? Ring outs. It's such a forgotten mechanic since 3D fighters have been in a weird spot for a long time
There are ring outs in SC, so it's 2 out of 4 among the biggest franchises, pretty fair i think. And SC had a release in every generation up to the ps4. So ring outs not rare or only last seen a long time ago... but it just happens that the only successful and growing 3d fg is TK, that coincidentally lacks it. No big deal. Anyways, i also hope ring outs are not removed.
Changing the topic a little bit, i also hope the VF devs bring back the "irregular" stages from the time of VF3 (also done in T4). Now that's a true forgotten feature. They just need to have a set of "regular" stages meant for competition.
The 3d fg companies turned down their original goal of exploring the current technology to the best of their abilities, for the sake of the competitive aspect. I disagree with the idea... everything would be fine if they just had a couple of regular stages for the competition. It's amazing how those professionals failed to come to that conclusion in the 00s. So their solution was completely abandon the idea, slow down the technology progress in the 3d genre, just because the fgc criticised those stages in VF3 and T4. The same fgc that usually prefers to compete in a simple training stage.
@@carlosaugusto9821Sc is not a big franchise lol 😂😂😂
@@mikeyfrance9469 biggest 3d fighter franchises, read what he said instead of going erm actually lol
The Heliocentric Agenda is such an amazing username.
Akira's knee is the first "electric": a just frame move that turns a mid teir character into an oppressive monster.
electric is way kinder. it's the first PEWGF fs tho. I set my pad up for the game way different in order to be able to do them consistently. I'm now able to do them 4 out of 10 times. still bad, but way better
Vanessa is a cool ass character. 10/10 design, blocks mid punches, has fun stance play, can tackle losers.
One of the things that makes Akira difficult to play is that he tends to be super linear and easy to step (and his tools to deal with that are throws and semi-circulars). Nobody you played is evading at all, which... well, if everything's going in a straight line, Akira's terrifying.
Must be streamer luck. I’m getting matched against Warlords even as 8th Kyu and these folks are here playing against scrubs.
That was a great video, thank you Diaphone and Editor Caste. 17:00 was hilarious 😂😂😂😂
VF is my favorite 3d fighter for sure but i do think a lot of the inputs really show how specifically designed for traditional joystick the series is. i'm having a great time on leverless cause it doesn't aggravate my RSI nearly as much as stick does, but there's a few commands that make me wish i was using stick
Ah yes the K+G release G after 1 frame
I remember having a "savant" moment playing og VF5 with a friend, love seeing the game in motion
i thought the hardest virtua fighter character to play was terry
In fact, NO ONE has even managed it yet!
I used to knee on the pad by holding two fingers poised over kg, and doing a quick scratch/scrape motion with both fingers, just make sure the first finger barely grazes guard with your fingernail while the second can just scrape it normally. Top players can use it in a match. The knee you get without the 1 frame execution is kinda crappy but will prolly hit in situations where the 'just frame' knee would hit. Look up homestay akira to see a god of execution. PS: df+K might be the closest equivalent to a confirmable low forward.
I would add that he's the hardest execution-wise, but his gameplan is actually much simpler than a lot of other characters. You just need crazy consistency to be able to utilize his best tools properly.
There is no point in this separation, as you can't use gameplan outside of execution part, as both of them part of one system. Overall Akira is hardest character in this game. Only people, who can't really utilize his whole moveset can say he is easy.
DIAPHONE VIRTUA FIGHTER POGGIEZ
I gotta give it to Diaphone, this was a very entertaining video! Keep up the good work Die.
This editor is hilarious, lol. Nice choice of music too.
Homestay akira actually did a video a while back showing how to do knee on stick, including handcam on the buttons:
提膝弾腿（旧：独歩頂膝）の出し方について【VFes/VF5US】
th-cam.com/video/t6G5cgYSGC8/w-d-xo.html
He basically just barely scrapes the right edge of the guard button with the top of his thumbnail.
Also, he turns his thumb so the left side is facing down, then slides right as his hand comes down.
The execution demands of VF are kind of iconic at this point, I hope the latest game keeps it that way honestly
They better not pull a Shenmue 3 and make the inputs “easier”, if you know what I mean
@@ShinSuperSaiyajin or tekken 8 for that matter. Tekken got the treatment where they made everything easier
I think it probably won't be exactly this way. And i must say it's not a good idea to keep making games like this in the current era. VF5 is from the mid 00's and it belongs to a very different developer culture, community culture, and market from now. Now i don't exactly mean it must be turned into T8. Just that it's hard to make a modern fg with a competitive potential (commercially) that is identical to VF5. Besides, Sega must be aware of how all these latest games are doing in sales... SF6, T8, GGST, etc.
@@carlosaugusto9821 they will likely make it more casual friendly because thats the majority market base which is why they reduced or outright removed the execution barriers in t8, they went too far on this though.
The dedicated competitive gamer nerd that thrive on high execution stuff is a minority customer base.
Knee on pad looks crazy hard.
The "challenger comes" after making that face at 17:13 got me.
YES! i too keep hitting phantom buttons, because as a tekken player i expect the 4th button to do something. or sometimes i hit the guard button, expecting a kick to come out.
His ba ji quan is impressive when he do the movements i remember the forms,how he stomb in the ground and with all his muscles when he launch his elbows is magnifician terrefying it's like you can feel his elbows breaking you destroying you,but my favouriye character is Pai Chan csuse she is prerty....Akira is scary...
4:32 it depends on the character. Feng who uses a similar martial art has a similarly large BT moveset
Akira doesn't have the same tools for entering back turned, but there are set-ups like jumping over opponents
But now he has the tools. With the new update Akira's got some old BT transitions, like 43P 1 or 7
feng isnt using Bajiquan, what the fuck are you talking about?
Leo is the Baji user in tekken and he has a very different playstyle compared to akira
I've only ever played Akira in Dead or Alive 5, and even in that game I thought he was hard to play.
So glad all the fgc heads are playing my glorious king akira
Akira is overhyped because of the execution on certain moves, but overall, he’s pretty easy to play with a straight forward gameplan. I’d say Eileen is the actual hardest to master due to her many cancels and stance changes. Lei Fei can be pretty complicated too.
This don't make any sence, you can't really split gameplan and execution, because they only work together and can't be used separatly. If you don't count this moves, Akira just streight weak character, who can't really do anything. But this moves are make him quite strong. Anyway from gameplay view Akira play very different from other characters, so its pointless for such comparison. As for hardest complicated - Lei Fei 100% by far hardest, but in really no one can really utilize his potential completely, so its not fair to comparison.
Most players try to use interesting characters, who strong and not hardest to play, because been hardest are not mean that they strongest.
I guess I got lucky doing this command list cuz I legit got the K+G for 1f second try. Was surprised to hear people had so much trouble with it.
Shun di looks like so much fun you should try it
The tall training dummy woman is the hardest for me.
Childlike excitement
"Bro stop mashing!" proceeds to mash 2P lol
Leave it to the anime player to make all the VFheads look like arthritis ridden oldheads with 0 execution
Don't think the gbod is actually about accuracy, but it's one of those moves where the timing has to be right and you can os the follow up and then do the follow ups if it comes out.
11:02 yousuke yasui music spotted 👁️👁️
What song is this?
@@rmc10o Yo-kai Disco from an old game called Mamoru-kun had been cursed
He is the Virtua Fighter...
Relate to the part about GBOD on pad. The game is the reason I bought an arcade stick, lol.
"Stop mashing! Only I can mash!"
It’s funny you like playing hard characters and I like easy ones lol
Justin Wong had problems with that one frame move as well lol
next up learning the EASIEST character in the "hardest" game ;P
When is that kim vs sim matchup video coming out?
I thought Vatista was the hardest
It's funny how akira doesn't follow the "shoto" troupe for main characters. As in he's not the most beginner friendly character
Diaphone hits taunt jet upper 5 times in a match, when?
Hardest character is actually Akuma. In fact, he's completely impossible to play because he isn't in the game.
This isn't max dood that's his theme at the end.
actshually, Shun di is the hardest
Who gonna tell him shun di the hardest
Hahahaha getting thrown by Wolf and surviving is lucky.
Anyone know the song name at 15:30?
I've never played VF, is it just impossible to move up or down during pressure to explain all the ring outs? It feels really excessive when you can just...not have your back to the outside so I assume block strings keep you in place?
Very much possible especially for linear moves. In fact, you can side step when you're a bit negative. VF for a while has had a "perfect" dodge mechanic to it. You see it a bunch in this vid. VF in general has a bunch of stuff involving repositioning.
But y'know, not info available to people new to the game
9:44... it haunts me
thought Shun Di is the hardest...
Nopers
The only hard thing about Shun Di is remembering his frame advantage and disadvantages and giving up max damage output for drinks, and that's not saying much. He's just about beginner friendly.
They’re difficult for different reasons, you gotta keep track of a bunch of things when playing shundi, like how many drinks you’re on and what moves are available to you at every moment he’s very tricky but he can be very forgiving. Akira on the other hand has no gimmicks, all his best stuff require precise timing, and he isn’t very forgiving at all, just technically very difficult.
and gbod is different from spod in case you had no idea dia :P
Van is the hardest character in terms of ALL she can do. Akira is the hardest in terms of skill
Jesus, Eilin is cursed... -_- WTF VF?
Diaphone playing VF, time to the suffering in learning one of the hardest 2D game (More harder than Tekken)
Didn't you post this already lol
how you display command list ?
Hardest should be in quotes both times tbh
wait, isn't shun di the hardest?
wait are people actually playing this game I am a VF fan I hope online is not dead
There's some buggy stuff with matchmaking occasionally but there are a lot of people playing yes. There are some vf discord with a lot of players you can ask as well
with the new balance update, yes, there are a lot of people playing it
Shun di is the hardest tho
I disagree with the notion that Akira is the "hardest" character to learn. His moves are almost all single powerful strikes. No need to mess around with long attack strings. The only "hard" thing about him is execution difficulty, which, with a couple exceptions (knee, SPoD), isn't actually all that difficult. I've always found him to be one of the easiest characters to win with.
Akira play very different from other characters. Beside, high level players strife much more and most of Akira moves don't have any tracking, so he need to utilize his hard moves to counter. From you point of view i can say Wolf and McWild much stronger, as they can end match in 2 throws and low rank players don't throw escape that often...
Isnt shun di the hardest?
Hardest character is Belial from Granblue Versus.
...
Oooh, you mean the most *difficult*, my bad.
He’s not the hardest character nun of the characters are hard in granblue
isn't shun di the hardest?
Weird moves? Try Lei Wulong from Tekken.
and yet you still havent done his Spod diaphone.....
Why is his name an akirose reference lol
I could swear shun di is the hardest
Lei Fei is harder. Much harder.
Play Terran is Brood War :)
isnt Shun Di the hardest
erm Shun Di is actually the hardest :)
Wolf is the harderst.
I played a sample of tekken 7 a chunk of tekken 8 and i seem to oddly like virtual fighter 6 and soul calibur 6 more. And this is coming from a street fighter player so i do hope we get a tekken or soul calibur or virtual fighter collection one day.
I thought Kage was the hardest
Akira is not the hardest character in the game at all.
Not sure who’s the hardest in this QWOP ass game, but Ryu is a fair and honest fighting game character who earns all his wins. The ministry has spoken.
I hate supers and rager arts rather just have a ring out :)
Bro is sooo bad. 😂
"that's a cool costume" ouch no. he's wearing a Union Jack for a gi. my man's doing Bājíquán for the BNP
Based tbh
hardest fighting game is smash melee by far, learn fox & ur gonna wish you didn't develop arthritis
Clickbait
Terrible
hardest ? more like poor mans tekken 8
Your comment doesn’t even make sense. How is VF5, a game that came out originally in 2006 a “poor man’s Tekken 8?” In addition they are completely different games. VF5 has no lame gimmicks or scrubby mechanics. Do you guys even think before you type?
@@orlanzo2621it was definitely a joke lol “poor mans tekken 8” 😂
@@OctopusH2O It HAS to be. 😂
This game is ass
We're talking VF5, not T8.
@@SonateSonateThe cope
Akira is hard but still Goh, Shun and arguibly Kage Maru are harder.
Goh comes close to Akira
Shun is just learning drinks
Kagemaru is learning TFT and his knee and ending every victory with NAMMUUUU
Isn't Shun Di the hardest?
Isn't Shun Di the hardest?
Isn’t Lei Fei the hardest?
Literally, the character made for button smashers.
Isn't Shun Di the hardest?